psyker-class

[viscid matrix]

😄

[naive imp]

xD

But yea. With both of those active can you just slam ruptures?

[viscid matrix]

if you want the best BR build
go Warp Siphon and Shield, cast the shield every 10 seconds because of a bug, and you can have permanent kinetic resonance

[left turtle]

id rather not build around a bug

[naive imp]

But with venting shriek you generate zero peril, right?

It’s less than a 15 second cooldown as well I believe.

[empty onyx]

Showerthought:
What if Scrier's Rage kept the timer of any of your weapons' abilities up? Like, any ability that says "Gain X something on hit for Y seconds." You can just stack up and until the Rage is over they won't time out.

[naive imp]

Seems op

[viscid matrix]

you can do that too, and venting shriek dumps 50% peril

[naive imp]

Yep

[viscid matrix]

ohh for those new to psyker, Venting shriek can be used while you are in the animation for exploding
so you can dump 50% peril and stop going boom

[naive imp]

Question. Can you use rupture for the penance for killing a boss in a private game?

And are bosses just the red bar enemies?

[viscid matrix]

i beleive so, but fatshark may have screwed yal and you need default BB

[viscid matrix]

yep

[left turtle]

demonhost, beast of nurgle, Plague ogryn, chaos spawn

[last sleet]

So, they say a Duelling sword is better than a force sword now?

[rigid blade]

Anyone got a good build based around Scriers Gaze?

[tender terrace]

ok friends ran with a psyker who had a knife and revolv, used BB and scrier, and was fucking owning - any ideas what keystone, had to be middle one right

[upbeat parcel]

how do you properly use scrier's gaze? that shit blows me up

[whole oxide]

just, keep an eye on your peril

the peril-gain ramps up over time, so after you've been in scrier's for 10 seconds or so, don't keep trying to push it, just swap to melee and let it hit 100

[unreal wasp]

Me wish this was the default Illisi design

[left turtle]

The middle purple skills, Empowerd Psyonics, do you get a visual representation when it procs?

[unreal wasp]

John Sword

[upbeat parcel]

oh okay that was the problem, I was trying to stay in it

[left turtle]

or is just the tiny little buff icon next to your other buffs

[whole oxide]

yeah, it's literally impossible to stay in it permanently

even if you do nothing other than hold the Quell button, it'll eventually overtake you

[tender terrace]

do you have to manually end scrier's

[whole oxide]

no, it just ends when you reach 100% peril

[old flame]

DD seems good on paper but you can enver get the bonus because team mates always kill the target

[left turtle]

youll be fine above malice difficulty

[tender terrace]

dang people still talkin about difficulty lol

its gonna be 2024 and people gonna be talkin about it

[left turtle]

i mean

it just means things dont die to a sneeze, so you can actually pull BB off

[fierce crest]

me when i pull off my BB

wait

[leaden mica]

im leveling up my first psyker, just curious what i should be doing vs abominations? is it brain burst spam or keep doing lightning with my staff?

[tender terrace]

whats the talent calc people are using these days

[neat summit]

I’m working on a gun Psyker build using gaze and destiny. Illisi /assail/revolver

I don’t have a good revolver, so it’s tough for me to gauge in Damnation

[mild junco]

Oi Siblings !
I use my melee to pick off wandering trash here and here, or to deal with small groups of enemies.
I currently have an Illisi force sword, but I don't use much the warp special, so was thinking of Duelling Sword, since I'm blocking with peril anyway.
Is it any good ? If yes, what blessing should I seek ? Uncanny + Shred / Riposte I guess ?

[tender terrace]

i just played with a dude who was knife/revolve + bb + scrier and he was a machine

[echo cosmos]

Uncanny + shred, and dueling sword mk4 is amazing single target

[neat summit]

Assail has been clutch because it’s pretty overtuned and can charge those auto crits for your revolver.

Illisi with deflector has been awesome with gunpsyker

[tender terrace]

either way this guy was nutty, he was running circles around me in melee with me as a martyr zealot and i play giga aggro

[neat summit]

Knife things

[tender terrace]

the whole package tbh

saw him melt a whole pack of shotgunners with whatever the fuck he did at range

i assume he's using empowered with bb

[neat summit]

Just so you know, with the quell speed from the sword + 30% increased quell speed, you can quell during gaze to max out your damage buff

[tender terrace]

can't see a good cause for the other two

[plucky token]

Ive been playing an Assail + Surge Staff build with Warp Charges - Peril Gen + Damage and Bubble Shield for Toughness/Team Support and it's been pretty succesful.

[neat summit]

Warp charges are nasty good, especially with shield

[inner remnant]

Any hints on getting this penance post Warp charge nerf?

[neat summit]

I’ve never been a surge fan

[plucky token]

It hits like a Truck Now. I pretty much Spam Assail as my Primary and when im out of Charges switch to Surge visa versa.

[neat summit]

It actually does damage now?

[upbeat parcel]

is the bubble shield the go to or the stun shield

[neat summit]

Bubble + warp charges is GOAT. With that said, I use stun shield on my purg build because I need to be closing gaps

[rugged edge]

psychic vampire helps alot i feel like i have full warp charges with it if you stay close to your team

[tender terrace]

i assume this applies to the feats that are for dodge yeah?

[plucky token]

IMO Bubble Shield is too good to skip. Stun Shield is too small and is snnoying to place in combat. Bubble Shield is huge, completley negates ranged enemies and gives a Regen and Damage Reduction? Whats not to love.

[inner remnant]

Doing this with Assail

[plucky token]

Yep thats my build

Its super good

[inner remnant]

I'm interested in getting the penance.

[rugged edge]

yea for me it seems to work good or you could go in fire reborn with the flamestaff

[inner remnant]

tried getting it before the patch

In fire reborn procs off Soublaze, my build has nothing that applies it

[plucky token]

Im doing that right now with my Brain Burst Build. Trying to get these penances is a chore. Ill get it eventually tho.

[inner remnant]

(unless the purgatus staff IS soulblaze)

[rugged edge]

purgatus staff is soulblaze

[rigid blade]

Does one with the warp give a passive +10% Toughness damage reduction at 0 Peril?

[inner remnant]

kay

[timber valve]

What keystone do you all prefer with assail?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[rugged edge]

i like warpcharg the most its a easy damage increase

[viscid matrix]

your goal for playing Psyker is to edge your peril at 90% pretty much always while in combat

[echo cosmos]

Depends on your build

Some psyker builds don't do peril edging

[umbral badge]

how do you go about it? it does so little damage to hordes compared to purgatus staff ... it honestly kinda sucks, but i might be missing somethign here. please clarify how is smite good?

[echo cosmos]

Also with force swords you can take it straight to 100 safely

[woeful patio]

I wish peril wasn’t so intrusive visually

Like I get it, I’m being encroached by demons of the warp, let me see

[viscid matrix]

best CC tool in the game, it can stunlock a room

[echo cosmos]

Use its charged attack

[timber valve]

Cool thanks

[umbral badge]

i can stagger lock a whole room with purgatus

[viscid matrix]

you can turn that off

[woeful patio]

Truly a blessed day

[viscid matrix]

but does that increase all damage by 10%

[viscid matrix]

my assail build

[plucky token]

Smite + Empowered Psionics is my Favorite Build. I like it better than Assail.

[umbral badge]

also purgatus just deletes any horde size of any type, i just dont see any point in smite...

[zinc phoenix]

Curious what your spec is then

[plucky token]

It's mostly for the stun.

[umbral badge]

so it is useless ok ...

[viscid matrix]

gues you dont play auric damnation

[echo cosmos]

Question.

What difficulty do you play on?

[zinc phoenix]

Massive aoe stun is pretty valuable

[plucky token]

It can stun Mutants mid charge. Dogs....

Its not useless bro

[umbral badge]

surge can do that

[plucky token]

Not anymore

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t forget crusher and mutie mobs

[viscid matrix]

it can stun 1 target, smite can do it to 30 or more

[umbral badge]

i have just stunned muties earlier in the mission with surge

[celest hedge]

void strike feels very underwhelming when not fully charged, and the only real way to make it faster is warp flurry so it feels kind of slow without it

[umbral badge]

... i might need to play around with it more then.

[viscid matrix]

have you had a horde of 10 muties run at you?

[woeful patio]

Obvs

Smite is goated

[neat summit]

This for sure

[viscid matrix]

smite is required for this

[celest hedge]

smite seems nice from watching other people use it but I don't feel too interested in trying it myself

it's that nice mix of CC, horde damage, and single target

[neat summit]

Aye. Smite. Shield. Warp charges.

[plucky token]

@umbral badge Ok Imagine this...Three Net Guys Spawn + a Dog and a Mutie....and you chain lightning stun them all and imvalidate any threat they could ever have...on demand every time.

SMite is sick

[echo cosmos]

Empowered for infinite smite is better

[plucky token]

Thats prob a bug

[umbral badge]

but smite stun doesnt seem instant is it reliable it seems to take a second or longer to build the stun

[echo cosmos]

Its working right now

[viscid matrix]

we think thats a bug

[neat summit]

Charges for instant shield cd resets

[celest hedge]

smite feels like a surge staff side grade but it also means you can open up your range slot for either a gun or any of the other staves, which seems like a nice trade

[viscid matrix]

sure its not instant, but it still is the most reliable way to stunlock a large group of enemies

[plucky token]

I dunno the bubble shield only has like a 30 second cooldown with a 20 seocnd duration. Does it really need to come back MORE quickly?

[neat summit]

100% bubble uptime

[plucky token]

I suppose

[celest hedge]

if you cooldown is fast enough, can you place multiple bubble shields at a time?

[umbral badge]

thanks for the input ill mess with it a bit more then, i do like that surge charges faster now and the animation speed for the primary attack on staffs is faster now.

[viscid matrix]

more liek 400% uptime lol

[neat summit]

Yes

[plucky token]

Oh wow really?

[celest hedge]

also I think it's a 45 second cooldown, which is still fairly short, but being able to have multiple at once

[neat summit]

I’ve double bubbled multiple times

[viscid matrix]

there is abug with warp charges, 100% cooldown reduction when you have at least 1 warp charge

[celest hedge]

and if you're going with the single shields with 2 charges, than cooldown reduction is also appealing

[neat summit]

Aye

[plucky token]

Lol so you are Literally 'The Bubble Boy' just spamming bubble shields in a fight and covering an entire area.

[neat summit]

Always

[plucky token]

I gotta try this

lol

[neat summit]

It’s so good

[celest hedge]

I don't really like the new warp charges stuff anywhere nearly as much as before

[neat summit]

It stops beast of nurgles slime breath

Which is 🤌

[plucky token]

[rigid blade]

What’s a good weapon set up for someone looking to use BB?

[plucky token]

Purg staff is fun.

Or anything rpaid fire

rapid

[neat summit]

I’m a big fan of using BB when I don’t have good single target damage.

So, purg staff/surge staff/shredder pistol

[rigid blade]

I was thinking of Illisi/Surge

[celest hedge]

purge works since BB is good anti special so it helps against hordes, and I like the deimos since the swings lets you chop through hordes with the option to do the special to take the place of the BB in melee range

[neat summit]

I like Deimos Purg

Deimos Purg BB Shield Charges/Empowered

[rigid blade]

Which one is the Deimos again?

[celest hedge]

i've been deimos purge since the day deimos came out, it feels really nice

[viscid matrix]

Surge staff has amazing single target damge, just not long range, its only like 18m

[neat summit]

100%. Deimos Purge is my go to currently

[viscid matrix]

one of the force swords, there is Illisi, Deimos and Obscurus

[echo cosmos]

Fun fact: Deuling Sword 4 does more weakspot damage than Deimos now

[celest hedge]

deimos is the force sword with a rapier swing pattern, so fast attacks good at hitting the head that does nice damage, and the charge attack is big single target damage like the original

[neat summit]

I just rolled a 379 void staff that I’m going to level up

[rigid blade]

The one that looks like a spike kinda?

[fresh reef]

actually did some damage testing for Disrupt Destiny
takes all 15 stacks to be able for BB to oneshot a dreg gunner lol

[viscid matrix]

does it do as much as deimos special attack?

[neat summit]

Dueling sword doesn’t have deflector

[celest hedge]

the spikier looking one I guess would be it

[echo cosmos]

No but it also doesn't lock you in place

[neat summit]

Deimos special is poop imo

Use heavy thrusts instead

[echo cosmos]

Imagine needing deflector. Just put up a wall and BB/shoot them

[celest hedge]

I like popping the special on crushers, and I feel like a single good deimos special can pops specials decently well

[woeful patio]

Deflector my beloved

[neat summit]

Deflector let’s me solo carry when my assail teammates blow themselves up on Damnation

[woeful patio]

I refuse to use any force sword without deflector

For lore reasons

[viscid matrix]

Deflector lets you res allies who are being shot at by gunners

[echo cosmos]

I have literally never used deflector

[woeful patio]

Cringe

[neat summit]

Deflector amazing

[woeful patio]

Fake Psyker

[celest hedge]

same, I'm not into it

[echo cosmos]

Walls do the same thing better

[neat summit]

Deflector + Purg = Chad

[viscid matrix]

of course, but not evryone uses shield

[echo cosmos]

And you give up a strong blessing for it

[celest hedge]

I pretty mcuh barely do any blocking or shoving in darktide, which is funny since I would do that so much in verm 2

[viscid matrix]

i prefer venting shriek over shields, mainly cause there is always a psyker with shield in the group already

[neat summit]

Shield has been too clutch

[celest hedge]

shriek is always nice, and I still have that muscle memory of using it to vent heat in emergiencies

[viscid matrix]

same

[woeful patio]

Weaning myself off shriek has been an experience

[viscid matrix]

i also edge my peril all the time

[woeful patio]

But my lord the shield is so nice

Bubble Boy forever

[viscid matrix]

ther are tentacles around my screen like 80% of the time during combat

[celest hedge]

shield does so much good stuff, has a really good uptime, and you can get away with spamming it while with shriek I only use it when I need to vent or do an emergency stagger

[worn cypress]

lol yea I keep blowing up like an idiot, relearning peril management certainly has been a thing

[neat summit]

I am working on getting a revolver I like for a gaze/Destiny build. The revolver feels like Destiny 2’s Better Devils,m

[viscid matrix]

that permanent uptime is a bug, dont rely on a bug to always be there

[celest hedge]

i'm not talking about the bug at all, I mean the shield has a good duration and the cooldown isn't thatbad

[neat summit]

After it gets fixed it’ll still be good with warp charges

[celest hedge]

and even without the bug there's still nice sources of cooldown reduction

[viscid matrix]

grab a vrak or kantreal instead

[worn cypress]

is there a permanent uptime bug with the shield? I thought it was smite that was bugged

[viscid matrix]

maybe, but it wont be 100% uptime

[neat summit]

Yep. With charges.

[astral citrus]

is there a sort of lvling build for psyker

[gusty furnace]

I hate shield

[worn cypress]

huh I never noticed it

[gusty furnace]

Mostly because its bugged

The shield image will still be there

[viscid matrix]

1 warp charge = 100% cooldown reduction for shield right now

[gusty furnace]

but ranged enemies shoot you through it

I dunno if its because shield has a total HP pool

or based on a timer

[viscid matrix]

its both

[neat summit]

For like 2 seconds afterward and yah that’s annoying

[plucky token]

Yeah, Peril is easy to manage once you know how ot fully works. You can bring Peril to 100% but just don't use it again till you quell.

[rigid blade]

I think it has an HP pool

[viscid matrix]

shield is 20s duration and it has a health pool, not sure what that health pool is tho

[rigid blade]

I placed one down one time and it was fucking obliterated.

[gusty furnace]

But yeah, as soon as shield no longer stops projectiles, it should disappear

IMMEDIATELY

this whole "takes a few seconds to go away" is not the move

[neat summit]

Aye

[keen harbor]

oh yeah, I noticed that bug too

[earnest oracle]

what's up with people relying solely on assail

[viscid matrix]

all you need to do is tap quell and instantly drop 15% peril, then go again

[neat summit]

Assail is pretty overtuned currently

[worn cypress]

yeah but I'm one of those people who used to keep casting at 100% and rely on vent or autoquell

[woeful patio]

Assail def needs some tuning

[viscid matrix]

Assail has enough charge generation that it can be used as a main weapon

[earnest oracle]

i just had a psyker trying to use assail on bunch of crushers w/o rending shockwave

[gusty furnace]

Oh

[worn cypress]

its been a challenge to get the lizard brain to stop instinctively casting

[woeful patio]

Albeit looks sick AF

[gusty furnace]

Assail is just stupidly overpowered

Copers in this chat will reeeee when people cry for it to be nerfed

But its blatantly overpowered and needs the nerf hammer dropped on it

[neat summit]

Aye

[celest hedge]

assail kills alot of trash and has pretty good up time, and even if you're out and need to wait to recharge, switch to melee/staff and be good to go again in like 10 seconds

[viscid matrix]

only thing assail needs, is a reduction in ammo generation

[worn cypress]

all of the regulars have been advocating for assail nerfs

[neat summit]

It also wrecks most specials/elites

[dawn orchid]

Does venting shriek not stop you from exploding anymore? I just tried it in the psyk and I still exploded.

[keen harbor]

assail need a slight nerf to recharge rate, and I think it would be fine

[neat summit]

It does

[viscid matrix]

it does, it dumps 50% peril

[earnest oracle]

the problem is that guy wasn't using his melee or staff

[steel egret]

I dont care if its nerfed, I do prefer it as weapon of choice for new psykers over BB spam thought.

[earnest oracle]

he was kinda just running away from things when he had no charges left

[keen harbor]

if venting doesn't stop you from exploding, it might be some weird animation bug, or you are lagging

[limber heath]

yea the main problem with assail right now is that you can keep it out constantly. you basically don't need to switch to another weapon except when the occasional crusher shows up

[fierce crest]

it could have like 3-4 charges

[keen harbor]

There are a lot of weird animation bugs for blitz abilities right now

[limber heath]

i say problem and i mean balance problem, not negative feature of it

[fierce crest]

and then not be weakened by armmor as much

[neat summit]

I await getting a plasma pistol. Then we be in bidniz

[earnest oracle]

and we were playing the maelstrom mission that was mostly melee scabs/ogryns

[spice veldt]

nah that should remain a weakness of it

[earnest oracle]

so his assail spam wasn't doing much

[limber heath]

bringing assail to the scab only maelstrom is... interesting

[woeful patio]

Big brain

[spice veldt]

it's the situation with pre-patch vets shooting their lasguns at crushers again 😔

[steel egret]

torrent lasrifle meets Crusher.

[viscid matrix]

thats when you pull out a revolver with rend and kill them in 3 hits

[spice veldt]

I bring assail to melee maelstrom but I also run the trauma and duelling sword

[limber heath]

or a void staff and do it in 1-2. revolver definitely more fun to use though

[neat summit]

Aye

[woeful patio]

I need to get a Deimos with rend and deflector

With the high crit and weakspot I’ll bet it would slap

[fathom adder]

Because they just watched a video from a year ago where Infernus melted crushers and bulwarks through shield

[earnest oracle]

yea that one

i was watching this guy trying to kill crushers and bulwarks with assail only

[limber heath]

maybe he forgot to equip a melee and ranged weapon :)

[woeful patio]

He has a plan just not a good one

Like demolishing a house by throwing small rocks

[earnest oracle]

also he had a deimos

[steel egret]

This seems pretty easy, there is only 3 things that could ruin it.

[earnest oracle]

i only found out halfway into the mission

[limber heath]

i would've been better off not knowing this

[woeful patio]

Rending or…?

[earnest oracle]

cause he pulled it out in a panick trying to kill one trash mob

[limber heath]

hey maybe he's new

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[limber heath]

give him the benefit of the doubt here, they misclicked and queue'd into the maelstrom with the wrong build and have never used psyker before

[steel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/irz-dusmani-mike-o'hearn-mike-meme-baby-don't-hurt-me-what-i̇s-love-gif-1558362495874808789

[earnest oracle]

they were level 29 so i don't think they're that new

[icy hull]

So "Blessed by Fate" using Wrath to survive perils of the warp, is it getting to 100% then using Wrath to cool down or using your power until you start to peril with your hands shaking then using it?

[woeful patio]

I’m going to be devils advocate and assume they’re new. The Maelstrom Mission is big and shiny and begs to be clicked on

[worn cypress]

new to the patch too perhaps

[steel egret]

This is likely.

[worn cypress]

people who quit and came back, or people who's just been playing other classes

[spice veldt]

hands have to shake and then you ult

[icy hull]

Ah thank you

[woeful patio]

I quit and came back, first Maelstrom was a shock

[limber heath]

can level 29s play the maelstroms?

[viscid matrix]

best way to play with peril
reach 100% peril
tap quell
instantly drop to 85% peril
generation peril to 100 via staves and blitz abilities
tap quell again
and repeat

[earnest oracle]

i'm a returning player myself, but it seems like matchmaking has gotten worse compared to back then

[limber heath]

i thought you had to be 30

[woeful patio]

If that isn’t the case it’s an oversight

Should be 30 exclusively

Otherwise dragging down team

[spice veldt]

oh wait in case I misread it, you have to enter the suicide animation and then ult

[woeful patio]

(IMO)

[steel egret]

They lowered it around when Auric was added.

[limber heath]

xbox crossplay + influx of new players + people trying wacky builds because now there isn't 1-2 options for feat speccing

[fresh reef]

don't queue into standard damnation worst mistake of my life

[viscid matrix]

eh, doesnt matter if they are 30 or not, 30 is like 2 days to reach
should require people to have completed all class penances for that class to play auric and maelstroms 😄

[icy hull]

Yeah I mean for the Penance, I know how to handle Peril

[earnest oracle]

damnation mm was fine before

idk about now

[icy hull]

Ah I assumed it locked you out of using the ULT, thanks gonna be annoying doing it 50 times lmao

[limber heath]

standard damnation usually isn't bad IME, way better than standard heresy.

[earnest oracle]

i just came back yesterday so i'm also trying to tweak stuff on all my chars

[keen harbor]

standard damnation feels okay. But I can tell if the team will wipe in about 5mins

[worn cypress]

lol I definitely have queued with broken builds or accidentally bringing the wrong weapon bc I was tweaking so much

[viscid matrix]

is that the one where you have to take out like 3 elites with the boom?

[steel egret]

damnation was new heresy even before patch.

[spice veldt]

yeah it is one of the more tedious penances

[worn cypress]

so apologize on behalf of everybody else who's doing that

[earnest oracle]

yea i'm starting to get that too

[icy hull]

Nah its only 1 elite now but private game only

[dawn orchid]

There seems to be a very small window where it actually works, and if you do it while clutching your head in your hands then it doesn't work

[viscid matrix]

ohh, you just weaken them, get to 100% and go boom to kill them
you have to explode to do it

[limber heath]

yea exactly i don't really even give too many shits when other people are playing weird as long as they're having a good time.

[worn cypress]

its like

[neat summit]

Ok just don’t do it then lol

[worn cypress]

three days since patch

I only have an hour or two to play in weekdays so I'm still garbage today lol

[dawn orchid]

Well it sucks that probably the least useful ult has lost the only redeeming quality

Or made it significantly harder to do for no reason

[worn cypress]

folks still figuring out the new stuff

[viscid matrix]

it does work, you must be lagging

[dawn orchid]

I'm in the psyk testing it

[inner remnant]

Yea, I'm wagering that Warp Battery penance is nigh impossible now

[viscid matrix]

ive been half a second from going boom, and pressed venting and stoped it

[dawn orchid]

There's no latency

[icy hull]

Yeah I know I've done it lmao, I'm talking about a completely different penance, someone else answered me but thanks anyway

[steel egret]

Its fine when they can pull their weight on some form of level, its not too much fun rescuing constantly someone who keeps dying.

[neat summit]

My favorite

[viscid matrix]

stop playing into random games? get a group together in a voice channel instead

[keen harbor]

support build can only revive so often

[viscid matrix]

if you dont like playing with shit randoms, dont play quickplay as a solo

[steel egret]

I dont play quickplay

[spice veldt]

what's wrong with pubbing and not liking randoms

I can have my dislike for them while tolerating it and pubbing

[neat summit]

I quickplay all the time. Into heresy only

[worn cypress]

if you dont play quickplay why are you complaining

[steel egret]

I just pointed out that its unlikely other people constantly dying would make you happy "as long as they enjoy playing"

[keen harbor]

Heresy feels harder than damnation

[plucky token]

Solo Q I don't dare go above Malice at the moment.

[worn cypress]

I see it as, I used to constantly die as a noob and people had to tolerate me, so I'm okay with tolerating the new guys now

[spiral lion]

meh depends. Some a dumber than ogryn, others play cool (on heresy)

[keen harbor]

I don't mind newbs and return players in damnation... so long as it's not a HISTG match

HISTG requires 4 competent players

[spice veldt]

sure but if they're dying >7 times repeatedly then it's questionable

[neat summit]

Win rate for quickplay Damnation is super bad in my experience with most games ending in me trying to solo to 3 rescues

[spice veldt]

but I don't mind it as long as they're contributing damage and/or living

as long as they do at least one thing, then it is good enough

[spiral lion]

or being good meatshields! 😄

[steel egret]

I mean I get the sentiment behind that but you dont constantly play with new people, this was about people using wacky builds and dying constantly and someone saying it doesnt bother them because someone using wacky build could have fun.

[plucky token]

So I haven't played in a bit, what is Auric?

[keen harbor]

could be a time of day thing. Some hours are awful

[spice veldt]

the auric mission board is just a board where missions are guaranteed to be hi-intensity

[worn cypress]

then modify it as tolerating people trying new builds

idk, when I don't feel like dealing with that I play lfg. when not I just shrug

[steel egret]

I mean its new patch, you kind of have to

[plucky token]

Oh ok so you could find like Malice Missions on the Auric Board?

[steel egret]

I still dont enjoy it because they might have fun

[spice veldt]

oh yeah; Heresy & Damnation missions only

and the Auric Maelstrom is also hi-intensity only (the maelstrom on the normal mission board is always normal-int)

[viscid matrix]

they are the harder missions

[spice veldt]

so if you see a hishock magistrati on the normal mission board, and there's another hishock magistrati on the auric mission board

they'll be the exact same mission

there are no hidden differences (besides the auric maelstrom not indicating anywhere that it's hi-intensity)

[neat pecan]

So I tried the shards psyker

And I love it

And I absolutely love that the psyker seems to be just as enthusiastic about it as I am

[echo turtle]

Anyone else enjoying the chainsword rn?

[west nymph]

Does the bash of the force staffs always trigger the brain burst talent? (as long as it isn't on CD) or am i tripping?

[viscid matrix]

Kinetic Flayer, its a Brain Rupture node
it applies to everything

[echo turtle]

And it's a 10% chance right

[viscid matrix]

yep

[west nymph]

yeah thats whats confusing me

[echo turtle]

Yeah

Any attack

[west nymph]

i feel like it happens 100% of the time

[viscid matrix]

10% on any hit you deal

[west nymph]

when i bash with the staff

if it isnt on CD

[echo turtle]

Interesting, Test it in the grinder?

[west nymph]

happened 4 times in a row

will after this match

[cold oasis]

boy the slug just eating you and dealing 98% of your life

is fun

[viscid matrix]

dont get close that it can eat you

[teal needle]

Step 1: dont get et

[viscid matrix]

the Beast of Nurgle may like you, but you shouldnt give it a hug

[teal needle]

What's really terrible about this patch is the lack of sound effects. Had a few muties with sound dampening socks ruin my runs

[gusty scaffold]

Someone mind showing me their shard build if they would be so kindly so that I may compare to it?

[viscid matrix]

this is mine

i use a Revolver as backup weapon for taking out Crushers and Maulers

[echo cosmos]

Dont get vomited on. It only eats you if you have vomit stacks

[gusty scaffold]

I currently just Purg staff everything and toss daggers in between

[spice veldt]

this is my current one, though this is an experimental build for now

you may or may not want empathic evasion instead of warp expenditure

[viscid matrix]

that build im using onyl uses assail for majority of enemies, and then revolver for annoying enemies that wont die quickly

[drowsy scaffold]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gusty scaffold]

Appreciate the advice 😎 i’ll experiment with both

[spice veldt]

mines with the DD mixes in my melee more

since I use my duelling sword a fair bit for crushers/maulers and the like occasionally

[gusty scaffold]

Ok, if I run assail do you think it’s wise to just invest in a gun secondary instead of staff? i’ve used fire staff for so long and I love the CC aspect

[naive imp]

Does rupture work for the private game boss penance?

Anyone who got it with rupture?

[fluid knot]

So I have decided i wish Voidstrike was at pre-buff levels relative to last patch in this patch ngl

[viscid matrix]

you can use whatever you want, but purga cant deal with crushers and maulers easily

[fluid knot]

People say Assail makes the game less fun, but at least that is weak vs some targets, Voidstike just makes everything a joke an its fuckin boring

[viscid matrix]

not sure, you might have been screwed by FS and have to use BB

[gusty scaffold]

yeah true, it does get a stagger at some point but i rely on teammates to finish them off but I get what you’re saying

Ty @viscid matrix and @spice veldt

[teal needle]

If you wanna be optimal voidstrike is pretty overtuned. Surge also a good backup. Otherwise if you do bring a gun bring something for snipers and ogryn

[fluid knot]

Pretty overtuned? Its better than everything else by such a huge margin its not even fun to play anymore

[spark fractal]

so revolver, pretty much

[zinc phoenix]

Ok so I tried the speed psyker build and it’s pretty solid

[spark fractal]

it's like a much better plasma gun for vets, with unlimited ammo, many ways to manage perils, and a much bigger aoe blast

[fluid knot]

Yep. Take it back to pre-buff levels

Rewind that shit

[zinc phoenix]

You go bb+dd+sg and take a few quell on kill things with las pistol and dodge sword

[spark fractal]

too far, it was the worst staff then

[zinc phoenix]

You use bb to build up the dd perks and then go apeshit

[fluid knot]

Nah, Surge was the worst staff then

[spark fractal]

they can just tune down the aoe or tune up the perils a bit, maybe reduce damage a little

[zinc phoenix]

You can run rings around stuff it’s insane

I outran muties

[spark fractal]

surge was arguably the best staff, the cc role was totally unique

[fluid knot]

Damage needs like 40% cut off it

[teal needle]

Thank you for stating the definition of pretty overtuned in case anyone was confused

[fluid knot]

Which could only kill 20% of enemies an nothing else

Not even close to best

[viscid matrix]

Surge is amazing now, it is a good single target damage weapon with a bit of cc

[cold oasis]

Surge was great

[spark fractal]

wasn't meant to kill, it could cc like 8 guys at once, massively helpful vs mixed hordes with maulers / crushers / bulwarks

[teal needle]

Surge was arguably the best staff before, if you really liked to argue for lost causes

[last sleet]

Right clicking an assail just gives it a bit extra range, right?

[fluid knot]

Not when you could be killing stuff with any of the others

[viscid matrix]

only because it had CC, it was lousy damage

[cold oasis]

the fuck you guys are on, it was pretty much the safest bet for auric before patch

thanks to the CC

[spark fractal]

that's just a terrible take, why would they want to make an entire staff unviable

[fluid knot]

Absolutely not

[fluid knot]

That wouldnt make it unviable, that would put it in line with Surge

[teal needle]

The joke was that the argument that surge was best was a bad argument

[spark fractal]

cc is, however, a really useful role in coordinated (or pug, really) groups, not every single thing has to be max damage

[fluid knot]

Surge = 3 charges to kill a Crusher, if one of them crits, Voidstirke is one shot with Surge + crit

[spice veldt]

yeah, only makes it lock-on up to 50m; no extra damage or anything

[fluid knot]

Its way overtuned

[spark fractal]

surge + crit is a pretty edge case, in most cases, it's 2-3 fully charged shots to kill, and that's just not common

[fluid knot]

Hardly with the current crit skills

[viscid matrix]

Void is overtuned, it needs a longer charge time, or slightly less damage 😄

[last sleet]

Hmm. I'm tempted to take a point out somewhere to get quick shards as well. But not sure where.

[spark fractal]

it's strong, not "nerf by 40%" strong, i'm sure fatshark have their own analytics and can tell if void is completely dominating the meta (it's not)

[fluid knot]

I know everyone wants X busted meta thing, but its not good for the game, easy game = boring game, boring game = no players

[atomic tapir]

hey i havea question

is the purgasus staff burn soulburn?

[spark fractal]

it is

[atomic tapir]

😮

[naive imp]

I think it designates who it hits first

[atomic tapir]

poggies thanks

[spark fractal]

it's so good with the crit related talents since you're doing so many attacks

[naive imp]

Left click just sends it out to do its thing.

[spark fractal]

like your toughness just shoots straight up with the +toughness on crit talent

[atomic tapir]

yes i was thinking about that

[fluid knot]

It will be in a weeks time. Moreover, it deals the same damage to all armour types an only slightly less to Carapace, and you can two shot a Crusher without Surge. So you do the math at how much damage it does relative to eveything else

[viscid matrix]

doubt it, probably be a month before it gets touched

[fluid knot]

No, as in it will dominate the meta in a weeks time

When the Psyker playerbase at large realises its broken

[spark fractal]

if anything the stagger is much stronger than it should be, a charged shot also effectively ccs crushers (and even monsters to some degree, like it can stunlock a plague ogryn)

[fluid knot]

It'll be PF Shredder 2.0

[spark fractal]

shredder dominated for like 6 months...

[naive imp]

I’m about to hit 11 on my psyker. Then I can run assail and void

Opop

[fluid knot]

Exactly yes.

Thankfully this situation is only liable to last a couple weeks

[spice veldt]

we're known to be on an older build and it's xbox certifications delaying the next updates

[spark fractal]

that's what i mean, they're not going to make super harsh nerfs based on a few weeks of data

[spice veldt]

so i'm relatively optimistic

[viscid matrix]

x to doubt

[zinc phoenix]

#psyker-class message hmm maybe knife rather than dueling sword

[naive imp]

I think it’s lame that staves create peril

Lol

[fluid knot]

They absolutely are. One shotting maybe up to Flamers, all well and good, but as soon as it goes beyond that, it is not fine

[zinc phoenix]

The sheer quantity of dodge is tough for me tbh

[spark fractal]

even the shredder nerf didn't make it unviable, it's actually still quite good, still better than most other autoguns

[last sleet]

Reapers, should I spam sails at them o get out the force staff?

[zinc phoenix]

And the durability of psyker melee is low

[naive imp]

Void?

[zinc phoenix]

But the damage output is crazy

[viscid matrix]

staff, assail wont kill it very quickly

[naive imp]

xD

[fluid knot]

Comparing something to IAGs is a non-starter because they're actual dogwater till patch 2

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, our toughness regen is cracked currently

[last sleet]

Don't have void, but have a good force staff.

[spice veldt]

you could also melee reapers

[spark fractal]

staff for anything bigger than gunners

[spice veldt]

assail will consistently stagger reapers so if you can gank their asses, go do it

[velvet crescent]

brain burst or charged force sword for beast of nurgle

[spark fractal]

assail's meant to clear hordes, not kill tough single targets

[plucky flax]

Any EU bros wanna do melee only modifier?

[last sleet]

Thanks. So I guess shield, crusher, reaper goes staff, everything smaller sails.

[viscid matrix]

its always been powerful, but we didnt have as much availabel to use
for instance we had only 1 toughness regen feat before

now its 6

[plucky flax]

Pugs are too slow and not scanning the objectives.

[spice veldt]

sure, but it was inconsistent back then

[signal bane]

Hey fellas. Anybody figure out a fun/decent Revolver Psyker with the new tree yet?

[spark fractal]

i mean, do you really want to get close and get nurgle juices all over you? burst it, haha

[spice veldt]

we didn't have a reactive weapon like Assail and our swap timers were slightly longer

[viscid matrix]

muties with staff too, basicly the ogryns and maulers

[velvet crescent]

one time in a pub last match

we were supposed to get in the elevator and i was just watching the other psyker stay outside

[spice veldt]

all of our force staffs require you to charge

[velvet crescent]

i had no idea wtf he was up to

[spice veldt]

and Warp Absorption carries that risk if you do not have an aggressive playstyle that you are comfortable with

[plucky flax]

He was memeing.

[velvet crescent]

bet. burst solid vs bosses?

[viscid matrix]

there are a tonne of options 😄 i use Revolver with my assail build to take out enemies it cant kill quickly

[spice veldt]

but Psyker is specifically cracked because of how available the toughness talents are and how much they synergize with the class

[spark fractal]

bulwark shields block assail, but assail can bounce all over so you can usually get a hit in here and there

[viscid matrix]

all classes have that tho

[naive imp]

Assail pierces multiple targets doh

[spice veldt]

while Psyker did have extremely good toughness regen pre-patch, there were pretty clear weaknesses back then

[spark fractal]

sort of, but psyker is actually the weakest class vs. bosses

[fluid knot]

Brainburst.

[naive imp]

Rupture destroys bosses

[viscid matrix]

extremely good? we had regen on warp gain or toughness on warp kill or quell for toughness

[spice veldt]

+15% toughness for any warp kill is rather insane

[late yew]

I love dueling sword

[spice veldt]

Warp Absorption

[late yew]

2-3 headshots kill crushers

[viscid matrix]

it wasnt amazing, but its not bad either

[late yew]

amazing against bosses too

[spice veldt]

the only problem with Warp Absorption is that we didn't have any weapon that could fully take advantage of it

[spice veldt]

it was gr8 for my trauma + illisi build

[spark fractal]

does like 1/4 the sustained dps a vet or ogryn stubber build would, not to mention the damage zealots can put out (they can still one shot daemonhosts, that's like...30k+ damage?)

[wicked badge]

Damn where's that perk ?

[spice veldt]

run into ranged patrols, lose all of my toughness, and go back to 100%

[viscid matrix]

???? warp charge builds were a thing, it worked exactly as it does now

[fluid knot]

If you're comparing to traitor captains sure, else no

[spice veldt]

you're misunderstanding what I'm saying

we didn't have assail back then and the timers on our weapons were slightly longer

[velvet crescent]

huh, aight. i main veteran and i try to keep in mind how to support the other classes-i don't have much synergy with psyker because they don't need ammo/grenades but it's good to know i can cover for them killing bosses while they kill hordes

[spice veldt]

Warp Absorption synergizes well with a fast-firing weapon that can kill quickly on the dot

there's a reason why they decided to buff it from 10% to 15% toughness per warp kill, even if this buff was misguided

[viscid matrix]

i think you mean soulstealer

[spice veldt]

i know

[raw tangle]

Guys what's the best way to keep warp charges up

[spark fractal]

no, you're doing like, what, 4000 every 1.5 seconds or so with brain burst? an ogryn in ult with the fire talent + gorgunum stubber is doing easily 4x that, likely much more (also debuffing all damage taken by the boss by 15%), vets with the full recon las shred build is doing a little less, but far, far more than any psyker

[spice veldt]

but they're just different names for the same talent and we're also remarking on pre-patch

[plucky flax]

Take this.

[spark fractal]

unless your team is completely incompetent you're going to be last on the boss damage dealt on the scoreboard

[viscid matrix]

if you are going for the pennace, dont use your ability, it dumps warp charges to reduce the cooldown

[spark fractal]

i guess lightning staff is sort of okay? probably the best option other than brain burst

[viscid matrix]

all 4 staves used that to great affect before, because they all could kill a lot of enemies

[spice veldt]

yes, but they also had their inherent weaknesses with it

all having to charge; purg had the range downside (which could be negated with movement)

[velvet crescent]

uhhhh
how's trauma staff these days

[spice veldt]

like I'm not saying that they couldn't use it to great effect

[viscid matrix]

same as ever
good damage shit targeting

[spice veldt]

but assail covers the role of the fast-firing weapon

like you are being so god damn pedantic with me

[spark fractal]

it does depend on what weapon you're using, like shotgun and the mg12 are not very good vs bosses, helbores, plasma, bolters, and recons are, recons are just kind of excellent vs everything right now because of the free ammo

[spice veldt]

point is, Warp Absorption is better this patch than pre-patch because of Assail's existence (among other things)

[velvet crescent]

rog, i use trauma cuz ammo issues n' shit. i hear voidstrike's goated these days

[spark fractal]

i mean, not surge

[wary quest]

Anyone have suggestions for curio perks for me?

[viscid matrix]

touhgness regen, health and toughness
maybe some gunner/sniper resist

[spark fractal]

voidstrike is a plasma gun except better in every way

[wary quest]

Thanks!

[velvet crescent]

bet, i'll take a look at it

voidstrike i think i have

and i'll run... either assail or smite

[viscid matrix]

Toughness regen on all 3 is very much worth it 90% increased toughness regen is bis for perks

[velvet crescent]

i wasn't feeling assail that much, prolly smite

[spark fractal]

though you use void in the opposite way you would use a plasma, instead of never charging and always using the primary (like the plasma), you try to fully charge and rarely use the primary

[wary quest]

For the main bonus, Toughness or Health?

[spark fractal]

i prefer toughness, but it's actually not a huge difference

[viscid matrix]

i run with all hp curios, but others here have mentioned they prefer toughness

[wary quest]

Comes down to preference then I'm guessing

[viscid matrix]

i run with this usualy

some times its 80 and other sits 115 toughness, depends on my tree

hp is always 278

i can surivive 1 hit from a crusher

[velvet crescent]

upgraded quickening (the cooldown reduction aura), yay or nah

[viscid matrix]

if you want One with the Warp, you take that, otherwise go crit

[spark fractal]

i don't use my ability on cd (because i run shield dome), so i went with +crit, it's good for offense and defense

[viscid matrix]

tbh the 10% extra damage is meh

[velvet crescent]

yeah i have one with the warp, deal

[viscid matrix]

i also love having Empathic Evasion as wells as One with the Warp

[zinc phoenix]

Ok so what are the good perks for dueling sword?

Because mine is trash

[fresh dagger]

been trying to get the Blazing Spirit blessing for the blaze sword but no luck. only lv15 on my psyker so far. Is tehre some sort of minimum requirement for that blessing to show up?

[viscid matrix]

which one are you using? 2 4 or 5

[zinc phoenix]

Maccy 2

With riposte and rampage

[viscid matrix]

Agile is kinda amazing if you care about dodging alot 😄 refresh dodge on weakspot hit

Uncanny and rampage imo for the best damage

[zinc phoenix]

I do care about dodge 🤔

[feral verge]

no

jsut luck based

[feral verge]

however, i will infrom you that blazing spirit isnt that amazing

[naive imp]

always remember

[empty onyx]

I'm running Flak/Maniac on my Mk IV, with Riposte & Uncanny Strike.

[zinc phoenix]

Oh fucks sake I just saw there’s a toughness on crit perk

[empty onyx]

One Shots all specialists (including mutants) and 2-3 shot the heavy armor guys.

[zinc phoenix]

And I’m running like a million percent crit

[spark fractal]

i'm just generally not that thrilled with any of the blue fire talents we get, except the one where specialists explode and dot up their friends, that chip damage adds up, and it's so easy to get it's worth it

[feral verge]

warp fire does a shitload of damage

[spice veldt]

i don't think agile is in the game yet is it

[feral verge]

but the blazing spirit blessing was meh

atleast b efore the patch. dobut that's changed

because enemies would die before even getting set on fire

[viscid matrix]

there is a reason i use this in every build

[feral verge]

this is my purga deimos crit build

[zinc phoenix]

I’m doing something weird

[plucky token]

Does Assail kills count as headshots when it blows up their heads? Dumb question maybe but you know

[feral verge]

auric maelstorm melee scoreboard

with said build

[zinc phoenix]

Basic idea is dueling sword melee psyker with bb+dd and sg. I was initially using las pistol but will swap to revolver as it’s just not working

[spice veldt]

ye Assail can headshot

[zinc phoenix]

I have so much crit it hurts

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, too little damage taken, use that toughness regen. Psykers are OP atm act like it 😠

[viscid matrix]

it tries to hit weak points but it can hit other parts instead

[plucky token]

Oh so when Assail hits a weakpoint does that trigger weakpoint perks?

[spice veldt]

ye, like True Aim

[viscid matrix]

yes

[spark fractal]

i don't recall ever getting the orange "weakspot hit" indicator with assail

but maybe since most of those are kills i just get the red marker instead

[plucky token]

very interesting

[spice veldt]

very very interesting indeedio

[gaunt wagon]

Assail can hit headshots

It does like 550 damage

[zinc phoenix]

How does point blank work on revolver?

Do i need to melee kill with the revolver for the crit chance?

[viscid matrix]

best bet, throw out an assail, and then swap to a weapon with weakpoint blessings to take advantage of asaail hitting a headshot while its out

[zinc phoenix]

Oh I’m not using assail it’s boring

Melee psyker madness

[viscid matrix]

for point blank, melee kill then swap and shoot

[zinc phoenix]

Nice

More crit more gooder

[fast timber]

ye or nah ? how to improve please

[viscid matrix]

is ther a reason this has now been hidden?

[heady minnow]

How do I get and maintain Warp charges?

[viscid matrix]

if you are going for the pennace, get psychic vampire

also dont use your ability cause it dumps warp charges to reduce cooldown

[spark fractal]

it's very good but spring efficiency is not doing much for you, i'd probably replace it with carapace or unyielding damage, and warp nexus lvl 2 is low, try rolling some more staffs and look for warp nexus 3-4 or surge

[fast timber]

alright thank you

what about the 2nd blessing ? what should i look for

[spark fractal]

you need the bottom left of the tree, you get warp charges for each elite or special kill, and also 4% chance for any friendly kill in coherency if you take that talent

[spark fractal]

warp nexus, warp flurry, and surge are the 3 best, you can use them in any combination you like

[echo turtle]

Are you running warp charges?

[olive ember]

uhh @near wyvern

[viscid matrix]

there is a blessing called surge, drop warp flurry for it

[plucky flax]

Yeah you have to to take that talent.

[olive ember]

tho I assume he's reworking the guide since the thing has been around since like launch it feels like

[spark fractal]

surge appears to be extremely rare, it's like power cycler for power swords, you have a tiny chance of ever seeing it

[echo turtle]

I'm torn between charges and empowered psionics

[viscid matrix]

looks like the guide is working again 😄

[echo turtle]

I like the damage bonus

[raw tangle]

The warp charge penaces are ass please kill me lol

[viscid matrix]

best bet, buy a lot of grey weapons via the shop, upgrade to blue until you get it, then save it to the book

[spark fractal]

except as a rare blessing, it's much more likely to show up when you go purple > orange than green > blue

[viscid matrix]

avoid usuing your venting shriek/shield abilities
and they are supposed to be difficult 😄

[heady minnow]

Thank you

[viscid matrix]

going from grey to orange is like 1500 platsteel

or you can spend only 400 and go to blue

[olive ember]

oh right they changed it so theres no way to use your ability without max warp charges

just uh

don't use ability I guess

[teal storm]

Are surge staffs any good after the change?

[olive ember]

eh? Alot of people like it

but imo it needs its damage doubled

[teal storm]

I'll stick with voidstrike

[spark fractal]

it's very costly but...also the most likely way to see that blessing, since the chance of getting it from a blue are so low it might as well not exist

[viscid matrix]

yes, they arent void strong, but its very good at killing single targets

[raw tangle]

Like ik the penaces are supposed to be hard but it would be nice if you only need 1 charge active cus god damn some teams take forever to get in an elevator lol

[spark fractal]

also has the advantage of not needing to aim, and bouncing to a nearby target

still stuns too

[viscid matrix]

its much much easier in damnation 😄 so many more enemies attacking all the time

[viscid matrix]

you still need to aim, it prioritises whatever target you are looking at, and the secondary target takes like 10% damage

[raw tangle]

@viscid matrix are there any missions you recommend? Tryna do the bb at max charges penace which is gunna suck lol

[spark fractal]

nah the chained target takes a good chunk, but you don't have to aim precisely, in fact if you just shoot at a horde it'll kill one guy then keep going into the next

[viscid matrix]

tbh just play normaly, those new penances tend to come as you play

the redacted ones on the other hand are much harder and require planning

[spark fractal]

the charge rate is also much faster, surge is a good dps staff now

[echo turtle]

I got all my penances randomly

It will happen eventually

[spark fractal]

it's not as good as void, due to the lack of range and less instant damage

[echo turtle]

Except the solo boss kill

[raw tangle]

@viscid matrix nearly did the warp battery penace .......8 seconds short lmao

[viscid matrix]

go to the pyskanium meatgrinder and test it, the secondary takes like no damage

[snow scaffold]

Surge is one of the best at dealing with specials the fastest at close/mid range, especially in chaotic moments where you have a small window to aim

[viscid matrix]

😄 yeh it takes time, by the time you are doing Damnation and Auric Damnation, you will get them, since both have a lot more enemeis consitantly

[raw tangle]

@viscid matrix true im just gunna focus on the normal penaces for those cool helmets I got nearly all of them done just life leech, power up and touch of the void penqces left mainly

[naive imp]

venting shriek is also really good aoe damage

clears peril, does 100-200 aoe damage, applies soulburn

pretty gross

[spark fractal]

i did, by the time one guy dies, his buddy is at 50% or so, it's less than 100% but more than 10%, a lot more

[spark fractal]

i wouldn't call it good aoe damage, that's not even enough to kill a poxwalker, but it does buy you precious time and reduces your perils, which is not nothing

[royal falcon]

it’s okay aoe damage and wouldn’t the soulburn finish them off

[fresh reef]

It would be, if you could pick both

[royal falcon]

oh

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt actually do 200 damage, tbh thats probably the worst node for venting shriek, better off taking the soulburn node instead, it does more damage after 5 seconds

[merry forge]

in combination with the blitz ability (at least for leveling and lower difficulty?) i hope it to be a splendid combination 🙂

[old flame]

im experiminting a new build and im debating if i should take assail or BB with DD and scriers gaze

[viscid matrix]

tbh create a build for both, and then take them into a mission and see what you like more

[old flame]

Im pretty sure assail getting nerfed soon so i dont want to get use to it

[raw token]

its most likely still going to be very good post nerf

[viscid matrix]

not any time soon, FS have always been slow to change things

[echo turtle]

Yeah, I agree. I personally prefer brain burst just for the utility of being able to pick out snipers and DPS bosses safely

[viscid matrix]

also kinetic flayer fo that free Brain Rupture

[echo turtle]

Yeah I love that

[old flame]

im using the revovlver so technically I dont need it

[echo turtle]

I noticed a lot of people using revolver

Pretty bad ass

[raw token]

gunker seems like the only time ic flayer is actually worth it

[viscid matrix]

nothing more statisfying than shooting a crusher with revolver and his head goes boom to BR

[echo turtle]

I find it procs lots even without a gun

[fresh reef]

I really hope Disrupt Destiny gets buffed whenever the Voidstrike Nerf Patch next hotfix drops

[old flame]

yeah youre right

[viscid matrix]

its always worth it, it works on all damage you deal

[old flame]

plus every one is using assail its actually boring

[fresh reef]

It's really cool conceptually but the damage combined with the fact all the stacks drop at once hurts

[echo turtle]

So I am currently running brain burst, are people taking charges or psionics?

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt need buffs, it needs to be fixed 😄 there is a difference

the marking is the only thing wrong with it at the moment

[fresh reef]

Psionics

[raw token]

i know it procs a decent amount, i just dont think its worth spending a talent point on, seems good for gunker because its the only blitz you can use without actually using

[raw tangle]

Ngl I'm actually having more fun with bb than assail

[echo turtle]

Same

[fresh reef]

Requires 15 stacks for BB to oneshot dreg gunners

lul

[viscid matrix]

its good, and always has been, the problem is we have been using it for a year, and want to play with the new toys

[echo turtle]

The variety is awesome

[old flame]

has any one used BB with DD?

[echo turtle]

I haven't run a build I enjoy that uses assailt

[fresh reef]

[echo turtle]

Dd sucks

It doesn't seem to proc

[viscid matrix]

yes and? BR doesnt crit or do weakspot damage, inspite of it hitting a weakspot

[echo turtle]

Otherwise I would run it

[old flame]

but you can build DD stacks with head shot kills

thats easy

[fresh reef]

Does the weakspot damage not rollover into base damage?

[echo turtle]

Ok, so DD with a gunker then?

[viscid matrix]

not from what i can see, but i might be wrong

[old flame]

yeah thats what ive been doing

[echo turtle]

How's that going?

[old flame]

it acualy works well

[echo turtle]

Nice

[old flame]

with the revolver

[echo turtle]

I was messing with a mk7 HH

[viscid matrix]

Vraks or Kantreal are really good for Gunker builds too

[echo turtle]

Really enjoying ut

Crit buuld

[fresh reef]

Could just be a comprehension thing, but to me it reads as "boosts damage that hits a weakspot" not as "more weakspot multiplier"

[old flame]

plus with the illisi charged attack you can get easy head sot kills in melee

[zinc phoenix]

Melee psyker on Damnation is really tough to pull off, not nearly enough DR for toughness

[viscid matrix]

3 best gunker build weapons are Vraks, Kantreal or Revolver, anything else is subpar

[zinc phoenix]

So even tho I refill stupid fast from crits I only survive like one pox walker tap

[fresh reef]

I could do the math but I'd need to grab healthbar mod again and I'm lazy

[zinc phoenix]

Before touuhness break

[echo turtle]

Recon las with crit burn tho

What's the deal with revolver rn?

Just a beast?

[old flame]

i still have a hard time timing when to use scriers gaze though

[fluid knot]

Soo uhh yeah.. I just did a game with Recon las build... actually pretty cracked

[viscid matrix]

its nice, but prefer a kantreal

revolver can 3shot a crusher

[zinc phoenix]

When you’re in a horde pop it

You get massive bonus per kill

And kills keep peril down

[old flame]

cool ok

[zinc phoenix]

So lots of easy kills means maxing your value from SG

[unkempt prism]

Just had the quickest of questions. I'm brand new, and already have an irrational hate of my Phyker always talking about her "beloved". Is there a personality option somewhere in the character creation that stops that?

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[viscid matrix]

create a new character 😄

its the voice you picked

[zinc phoenix]

I’m very tired of hearing about the lex

[spice veldt]

only the Seer will talk about the beloved

[echo turtle]

You can also quell in scriers

So keeping it up is easy

[naive imp]

Well i finally lost in kills…to a lvl 30…assail psyker.

[echo turtle]

And it lasts for a while after it ends

[unkempt prism]

Oh okay. I've tried a couple phyker voices. One male and one female. i guess i just had bad luck. I thought maybe they all talked about it. Lol... thank you for info

[echo turtle]

So when you run it with ,+ damage from peril, you end up getting a massive damage bonus

[naive imp]

Seems good

[echo turtle]

It's been my favourite

But as part of a crit build

[spice veldt]

if we could exit scrier's gaze at-will instead of only at 100% peril, then I'd run it

[echo turtle]

Getting 40% move speed, over 50% plus crit and damage is amaze

It's so easy to quell once it hits 100 it's never been an issue for me personally

Especially with empowered psionics, 0 peril to cast anyways

[long wharf]

the wording there makes me think Tzeentch

[echo turtle]

It may not be optimal but holy shit is it fun

[unkempt prism]

@viscid matrix thank you. Both the phykers i made talk about it too. Constantly. Oh well .. I'll try again

[old flame]

how does empathic evasion work? i dont get it

[echo turtle]

Dodge on crit

You become immune to ranged attacks while getting crits

[old flame]

that sounds broken

[echo turtle]

Take the accatran and a weapon with shred

[toxic crown]

so, would it be better to have Bio-lodestone or Overpowering Soul?

[viscid matrix]

next time make a loner or a savant

[viscid matrix]

could be Nurgle, gotta remember Nurgle loves you and his followers love him

[zinc phoenix]

Just not true

It scales peril gain up very fast

[long wharf]

true, but again, the wording - "... will unfold precisely as it should"

[zinc phoenix]

I have the boosted quell trait and it still just woops up

Plus if I’m quelling I’m not killing

[viscid matrix]

good point

[echo turtle]

Hold quell, keeps you at 0

[unkempt prism]

@viscid matrix ah I see. I understand now. Thank you for your time. I shall remake

[long wharf]

not forever

[echo turtle]

You don't have 100% uptime but ymut remains on 10 seconds of the 30 second cool down

Which is a cool down you can reduce a lot

[viscid matrix]

quell on kill then

[zinc phoenix]

I can’t do melee psyker with lengthy quell

[long wharf]

after your SG stacks hit 30, it goes from peril-quellable to you-cant-quell-fast-enough very quickly

[zinc phoenix]

I have quell on kill

Quell on kill is the big thing

[long wharf]

the quell on kill just doesn't proc reliably enough

[echo turtle]

Eh I find it fine

[zinc phoenix]

Pop in a horde and go apeshit

[long wharf]

well, there's the problem, innit

[zinc phoenix]

I keep it up for long periods of time with that

[long wharf]

the horde isn't why you really want SG

[echo turtle]

It lasts 10 seconds after it ends, and cool down is 30. You should be able to have it up most of the time if you want it

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not very helpful against elites tbh

[long wharf]

I stopped using SG

[zinc phoenix]

If you chew thru a mixed horde tho you can get some nice crits off on the

Elite

[spice veldt]

the cooldown begins only when you exit the ult

[long wharf]

it's impossible to keep 100% uptime on SG

you have a mandatory 20 second refractory period

[echo cosmos]

1984 tbh

[zinc phoenix]

Most of the time you don’t really want it tbh

Like if you want to BB a bit it’s not very helpful

[long wharf]

SG would be a lot better if the peril gain didn't accelerate

then you could really play the peril balance game

[spice veldt]

and if we could exit out of will

[echo cosmos]

Also: Peril transfer

[long wharf]

not good enough

[echo cosmos]

On a VS staff

[long wharf]

you literally can't quell fast enough once SG's peril gain is at full speed

[zinc phoenix]

Nah the massive peril is good

[spice veldt]

and because the CD only starts after ending the ult, it might just be a good idea to just spam your peril from 0 to 100% and not bother quelling to extend it

[zinc phoenix]

You can use it to keep the peril damage trait for +20% damage maxed out

[spark fractal]

can't you just quell perils while it's charged up and keep stacks that way? it's not particularly good for dps, but you can theoretically keep it going

[long wharf]

nope

again, the peril gain accelerates

up to and past the point where you can't quell fast enough

[inner remnant]

Does it just shut off or you explode?

[long wharf]

I'm not exaggerating

[fierce crest]

shards are op yes, but what guns synergize the best with them

[zinc phoenix]

Shuts off

[hallow needle]

turns off

[long wharf]

your peril will just keep going up

[fierce crest]

im thinking revolver and slug shotgun

[zinc phoenix]

I spend most of my melee time at 100% tbh

[echo turtle]

So I was just going through the skull tree and with all the CDR you can get 100% uptime on scriers

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been doing revolver/dueling sword with bb/sg/dd

[hallow needle]

why am i having massive ruberbanding on the morningstar atm

[inner remnant]

Yay, lvl 30 psyker, now i can FINALLY build a endgame weapon

Recommendations?

[naive imp]

Void

[zinc phoenix]

I just do whatever is fun

Don’t be a meta tool

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[long wharf]

SG incentivizes you to manage your peril, because you don't want it to hit 100

[fierce crest]

slug shotgun is not meta

[viscid matrix]

if you want the most powerful, Void
if you want fun
Purga, Surge, Trauma, Revolver, Kantreal, Vraks

[fierce crest]

i just want something that feels like it has a good use outside of shards

cuz shards are cool

[zinc phoenix]

I was responding to void

[hallow needle]

surge isnt fun

surge is boring

[fierce crest]

but i will just keep themm out at all times

[inner remnant]

I'll build a Purgatus first

[naive imp]

Revolver seems horrible with that reload

[inner remnant]

What about melee?

[naive imp]

No like

[zinc phoenix]

What

Revolver is god tier

[hallow needle]

blaze sword is fun go fwoom fwoom

[echo cosmos]

Dueling sword 4, with uncanny for rending

[zinc phoenix]

The head shots hard

[viscid matrix]

it 3shots crushers in damnation, and you use assail for everything unarmoured

[naive imp]

The reload isn’t cool

[long wharf]

frankly, if you're playing efficiently with Assail, the only ranged weapon you need is something for the big enemies

aka Void staff

[fierce crest]

revolver has nuts armor damage

so its great

[hallow needle]

imagine not having a speedloader in the 41st millenium

[zinc phoenix]

Revolver is based

[echo cosmos]

Speed loader

[zinc phoenix]

But yes tbh

[long wharf]

the Omnissiah apparently hates pistol users

[hallow needle]

piece of metal is archeotech

[viscid matrix]

its a dystopia, what do you expect, they lose more tech then they gain

[inner remnant]

Dueling Sword? really?

[echo cosmos]

You can get one, but only from the omnissiah

[fierce crest]

at least it has an extractor

[naive imp]

Yea I’ll try it at 30. Hates it atm

[fierce crest]

wait

[spice veldt]

they buffed the duellies

[fierce crest]

the revolver would be so much cooler without an extractor

[long wharf]

I like my Illisi still

[zinc phoenix]

Dueling sword dodge spam is neato

[echo cosmos]

Dueling sword has higher weakpoint damage than the deimos rn

[hallow needle]

i have seen the truth behind the omnissiah i shall not pray to it

[inner remnant]

So, Mk4 dueling sword

Purgatus

[naive imp]

Heretic detected

[echo cosmos]

Ye

[zinc phoenix]

Problem with dueling sword is using it is terrifying because dodge dodge dodge

[hallow needle]

machine spirit is evil

[zinc phoenix]

I have kinetic so I can block some but stills

[hallow needle]

never

[zinc phoenix]

Evade ranged on dodge is also really nice to have

[viscid matrix]

Dueling swrod has the best singletarget damage with safety of mobility, Deimos is a close 2nd for dmage but lacks mobility
dagger is decent mobility and damage
Illisi has great cleave and is good for horde killing

[inner remnant]

BIS blessing?

for dueling / purgatus

[spice veldt]

it's also the mk4 duelling sword in particular that has the best single-target

[zinc phoenix]

It’s weird coming from the three other classes and their massive DR for melee builds to psyker where it’s all about avoiding getting touched

[long wharf]

I use Illisi because I always take True Aim

which necessitates also taking peril blocking

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny Struke and Rampage for dueling

Warp Flurry and Nexus for Purga

[long wharf]

which means if I ever need it, my Illisi can cover my ass in a pinch from ranged fire

[spice veldt]

my recommendations for the mk4 duelling sword #psyker-class message

[hallow needle]

stats could be better but its fun to use

[inner remnant]

rolled a rampage 3

[naive imp]

Is illisi the go to melee?

I haven’t used my melee weapon since I got assail

[viscid matrix]

for cleaving hordes yes

[fierce crest]

its a great cleaver

[fierce crest]

i like axes too

[viscid matrix]

Deimos and Dueling swords are best for single target

[naive imp]

Axes for cleaving?

[fierce crest]

they have good cleave and good single target

yup

mk5 with brutal

hits 2 chumps by default, headshot kills dont count with brutal

[fierce crest]

idk what cleave % you need for it to cleave by default tho

[zinc phoenix]

Can’t dodge spam with axe

[inner remnant]

rolled these two

First one is the keeper, right?

[viscid matrix]

precog is pretty good, but maybe swap for Uncanny

[long wharf]

@spice veldt why the mk4 dueling sword?

[echo turtle]

It's ok, You want uncanny though

[naive imp]

Tbh I feel like I should get a melee weapon that is best for single target.

[echo turtle]

With uncanny you can kill stuff in carapace and flak much better

[spice veldt]

for some reason, the mk4 heavies have notably higher damage than the other duelling swords

[inner remnant]

I'll replace Precog for the uncanny

[naive imp]

Cause all of our crap is aoe

[echo turtle]

Without uncanny you cannot kill crushers

[zinc phoenix]

That is a good reason

😞 time to farm a mk4

[long wharf]

because I've got this

[inner remnant]

or rather, PRecog with rampage

the first one rolled betetr

[long wharf]

I've been buying well rolled greys as I find them in the shop

[echo turtle]

Yeah it's a good weapon. You can one shot muties on the charge with a headshot

[zinc phoenix]

I was wondering how you could 2 shot crusher with DS because mk2 ain’t doing that for shit

[viscid matrix]

5 doesnt have the cleave damage that the 4 has

[long wharf]

dang

[zinc phoenix]

Mk2 does that for sure

Heavy attack boops em

[viscid matrix]

5 has defences instead of Cleave of 4

[inner remnant]

whata bout the perks?

[long wharf]

gotcha

[inner remnant]

Damage vs what is what i want?

[zinc phoenix]

What does defenses do?