psyker-class

[autumn smelt]

when quelling

[pallid smelt]

itd look like a half life 2 speedrun lol

[olive ember]

eh I mean before it was competing with kinetic deflection and kinetic shield so literally no one picked it

except noobs or trolls or people with interesting tastes

[pallid smelt]

" accelerated peril b-hop "

[olive ember]

now mind in motion is

well its a trait you can pick up

its probably useful if you quell to zero alot

[pallid smelt]

it going from worst pick to basically free is a huge plus

[potent echo]

It's the default pick if you go assail

[plucky flax]

Voidstrike vs 29 ragers totally realistic gameplay scenario.

[potent echo]

There's nothing better you can pick

So it's fine

[pallid smelt]

revolver go brrrrr

[olive ember]

I run assail and ngl I unironically can't feel or see the difference between with and without mind in motion

[potent echo]

They actually pierce them all?

[olive ember]

then again normally if I'm quelling mid combat I'm more focused on the shit thats in front of me

[spice veldt]

his combustion was perilous

[potent echo]

It's useful if you do the horrid blitz quell

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

But you should ALWAYS do staff quell

[pallid smelt]

i wish warp siphon didnt spend stacks for ability

[plucky flax]

Revolver is too hard I am noob I just use op voidstrike before nerf.

[fast timber]

how to get hud looking like this please ?

[pallid smelt]

voidstrike is cool too tho!

[potent echo]

HUD tweaker?

[keen harbor]

Revolver hip fire has pretty good accuracy

[pallid smelt]

i used to main vs when it was shit

[pallid smelt]

good enough for reapers, thou you really shouldnt be hipire with revolver

[plucky flax]

Custom hud + hud tweaker mods.

[full egret]

Same. I was always ride or die with voidstrike

[olive ember]

mods

[keen harbor]

Yeah, I only hip fire occasionally on command vet

[pallid smelt]

I Hope they dont nerf surgical

its so good

[keen harbor]

I don't see why they would. It's 3s to hit 100%, which is a lot of wasted DPS

[pallid smelt]

how does the crit bonus stat work?

[keen harbor]

before the patch, it was like 40% dmg increase, wasn't it?

[pallid smelt]

cuz i swear i get 100% crits at 5 or 6 stacks

[sullen bobcat]

I switch between melee and ranged way too much to use surgical

[keen harbor]

There is also innate weapon crit chance

laspistol having the highest

[odd siren]

honestly, I hate farming for good blessings guys

[keen harbor]

but IDK what it is on revolver

[pallid smelt]

i only use surgical for dealing with bosses and crushers

[pallid smelt]

real

[odd siren]

probably least favorite part of the game

so grindy

[keen harbor]

There was a bug in last patch were hadron refunded you 75% of the cost

They should have kept it that way

[pallid smelt]

being able to 4 shot crushers is so impotant for me

[hearty dagger]

Daily reminder that if you die from too much peril, it's not because you're bad, it's because you achieved a decisive krieg victory

[odd siren]

I wish when you de bless an item you'd get crafting material back

LOL

[pallid smelt]

could not agree more

[keen harbor]

wow, you only have 1500 surplus diamantine

[pallid smelt]

i was here during the diamante drought

[odd siren]

is the far right keystone good or bad?

[keen harbor]

useless

[odd siren]

I thought i was ok with assail but I couldn't tell

hmm

[pallid smelt]

yesnt

[spice veldt]

disrupt destiny is fine but marked enemies won't glow after some time

[pallid smelt]

only usabe with lingering influence

cuz ppl will steal ur kills

[jovial lark]

lads, does the surge "two shots on critical hit" work with the secondary fire of the voidstrike staff?

[spice veldt]

I always take True Aim so the opportunity cost for me to take disrupt destiny is low

[keen harbor]

I don't even know why I bother picking up diamantine

[whole oxide]

yes, that's basically what makes it super-OP

[odd siren]

god I need surge on my void stike. haven't gotten the blessing once

[plucky flax]

I prefer dd than empowered blitz for assail voidstrike build too. It buffs both weapons rather than just the assail.

[odd siren]

is the best way to farm blessings buy specifc staff from shopp, upgrade to blue and pray you get the blessing you want?

[jovial lark]

ye

[odd siren]

lame

I was hoping there was better way

[plucky flax]

Also buff your meme duelling sword.

[keen harbor]

buy trash green weapons, upgrade them

[spice veldt]

yeah its quite good for that since I'm abusing assail fo 70% of the match instead of 90%

[keen harbor]

shop will also sell lvl3 blessings very rarely

[odd siren]

yeah ofc

[keen harbor]

and some weapons show up more often than other

Like I haven't even completed T2 blessings for knife

[odd siren]

I've also never gotten, like ANY good melee blessings

ever

[glossy hazel]

Most of the time my psyker's shop is 70% recon lasguns and 20% tactical axes

[odd siren]

Fr

[jovial lark]

same, this is annoying as fuck

[keen harbor]

Oh, and Playing damnation will usually net you 1 gold weapon per match

[pallid smelt]

as you were saying

[keen harbor]

I want that to show up on my vet

[glossy hazel]

They really wanna push that brainburst every 15 seconds with a 10% chance build

With recon las

[keen harbor]

because recon lasguns are now meta for vet

[glossy hazel]

It's still dogshit compared to MG12

[odd siren]

what does finesse mean on force swords? never understood the stat

[glossy hazel]

"Buh muh crit no ammo cost"

[keen harbor]

Finesse makes the swing animation faster

[whole oxide]

inspect weapon, hover over it, it'll tell you

[odd siren]

then wtf does this blessing mean lol, +55% finesse damage on dodge?

[plucky flax]

Finesse is weakspot and crit damage.

[glossy hazel]

Finesse boosts weakspot damage

[odd siren]

hmmm i see

any NA boys wanna join a strike team?

[stable silo]

is assail really that good?

[full egret]

Idk, plowing through entire hordes, monstrosities and crushers before reloading is really good.

[odd siren]

apparently

Thats what I was asking early

scroll up

[jovial lark]

@hazy locust idk where to dump suggestions that get ignored anyway so this is best way, will you guys (please) up the weighting on class specific weapons in the shop? i currently have a shop without a single psyker weapon in it and this has happened many times
or at the very least lower the weighting on lasguns for psykers...

[full egret]

I don’t think so, it probably seems way better than it is on low difficulty with multiple psyekrs spamming it

[jovial lark]

you can see people with the same sentiment if you scroll up a bit btw

[glossy hazel]

I wanna see your TTK against a crushers and a BoN and regarding hordes, you have a melee weapon for a reason lol

[spice veldt]

still gr8 on higher difficulties

[plucky flax]

Assail is crap don't use it.

[full egret]

TTK against a damnation crusher with my blue recon las is approximately 1 second

[jovial lark]

t. dies to ranged mooks

assail is mvp against the dog modifier on auric missions

[full egret]

Once I get crit headshot damage blessing on it I expect it to be less than a second under ideal conditions

[spice veldt]

auto-aim weapon that is range- and. positoning-agnostic

[full egret]

If fucking melts everything but bulwarks due to shield invuln

[glossy hazel]

I somehow doubt that unless you can post a video

[spice veldt]

assail is psyker's autopistol to me

[jovial lark]

try it vs the dog waves

i came a bit the first time i tried it

[spice veldt]

ye it's very nice for them

turns out that dogs suck when their main advantage of being fast is countered by a smart pistol

[full egret]

Sadly I’m laying in bed rn but it’s insane how effective it is

[plucky flax]

On vet or psyker?

[full egret]

Vet with the infinite ammo armor sunder build

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah that's for sure.

[jovial lark]

has anyone figured out how to make scriers gaze not low tier god yourself yet? i figured out you can keep the overheat somewhat functional with high siphon charges but it seems rubbish

[full egret]

Reddit is wanking to assail though

I haven’t been successful with scriers yet

[spice veldt]

not too great

the main downside is that you can't exit scriers without being at 100% peril

[plucky flax]

Not 1 second but it's stronk against crusher.

[full egret]

Pretty insane isn’t it lol

[jovial lark]

also just asking in general, isnt disrupt destiny just worse warp charges? only upside i see is movespeed

[glossy hazel]

That's pretty dumb, way overbuffed for a laser pointer

[spice veldt]

p much it seems

for me, the main advantage is that I already take True Aim so I have enough points to invest into disrupt destiny

[plucky flax]

Don't worry vet is still the weakest class. It only has 1 really strong build.

Everything ogryn do is just op this patch.

[olive ember]

mk 7?

smh everyone knows you go for the mk VId for maximum bullet spraying

[crystal sky]

Ah yes

[olive ember]

nah thats nothing compared to vet selection

recon is in an alright place

could prob do with a bit more buffing to its unyielding and maniac damage imo

[glossy hazel]

For a laser pointer that you just point in the general direction of the enemy it shouldn't deal that much damage to carapace

[plucky flax]

It's 6d.

Don't let your eyes deceive you young padawan.

[olive ember]

wait

what is your build

teach me your ways

[olive ember]

I'm psure it takes like 2 seconds longer for me to melt a crusher

headhunter

interesting interesting

[plucky flax]

It's the secret sauce.

If I stand really far away (reversed damage fall off on 6d) it kills faster.

[olive ember]

yeah I was running fucking recon las today

and genuinely was smoothing my brain

like towards the end of the mission I wasn't even meleeing the poxwalkers anymore

just

haha recon go brrr

[plucky flax]

This game is balanced with assail, recon las, ogryn heavies / guns spam, and zealot fast af bois.

[olive ember]

out of curiosity what is it like with volley fire on

[plucky flax]

Okay I can check.

Alright it is about 1 second.

[olive ember]

amazing

also I just realized

but what is that sight

[royal granite]

i love to context.warpcharge_vent undefined

all my homies context.warpcharge_vent undefined

[plucky flax]

Weapon customisation cheat mod and remove the sight so I just aim using the faith of emprah.

[royal granite]

damn fatshark said accatrans rights

[olive ember]

dear god

[plucky flax]

Volley fire vs crusher above.

It's not broken.

[royal granite]

it is nuts that they nerfed the bolter

that is like the one vet gun where it's okay for it to be strong as hell

[plucky flax]

At least you had to control the recoil on bolter a little bit.

RIP me sustain fire.

[olive ember]

Recon deserves to be stronk

After so long where it was laughed at for being trash meme

[plucky flax]

Random low level guy invited me to his party.

[royal granite]

forgeworld accatran makes specialized lightened equipment for drop troops, it kinda makes sense that it wouldn't pack as much power as an mg12, say

[sullen bobcat]

Excuse me but the real endgame is the friends we made along the way

[plucky flax]

Yeah gonna help this dude out with some auric memes.

[soft notch]

how was the bolter nerfed?

[olive ember]

Pinning fire got screwed

[plucky flax]

Oh lord I am the only level 30.

[olive ember]

Idk about shattering impact

[plucky flax]

Didn't think everyone was going to meme.

[royal granite]

nerf by omission as well i think, since enemy health has gone up

and the bolter doesn't seem to have been brought up with it

yeah bolter is absent from the patch notes

[astral oracle]

Shotgun rights still pog

shake my greasy smiting hand, cin

[echo turtle]

I think scriers is great when not using a force weapon.

The crit chance and move speed is wild when you stack crit everywhere else, I have over a 50% crit chance sometimes

I run brain burst, scriers, war charges. Feels good.

Also taking a fire staff and wildfire

[echo turtle]

How much damage is 10 stacks of burn doing?

[echo turtle]

Holy crap, was that dropping a crusher

[thorn tapir]

Ive never played around with dueling sword, what set ups do you guys use?

[whole oxide]

Vet is honestly still wild, it's just not braindead easy anymore and therefore all the salt and tears

[plucky flax]

It depends on the target. Carapace takes less burn, unyielding takes more. But yes recon lasgun is op against crusher.

It ain't much but it's honest work just helping low level guys.

[pallid smelt]

you keep so many stats on ur score board

[spice veldt]

nice melee damage

[strong gulch]

Just dragged three vets through T4 investigation. That's unfortunate because I'm only ok at this game. 😂

As strong as void is right now, I needed all of the CC that trauma provided.

[potent echo]

how is illisi a good weapon

[outer magnet]

i know it's not the best but i like the weapon so i don't care, is suppress + uninterruptable one of the best bless combos for a purge staff?

[compact plinth]

what are you using to see poepls steam names and weapons

[plucky flax]

It's a mod. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/127

[compact plinth]

ah.

[plucky flax]

It gets better. Only 2 below 30 this round tho.

I actually use melee weapon when I play zealot. It's only when I play psyker it's staff/blitz only.

[spice veldt]

fatshark gib Psyker more global damage buffs it'll be balanced

shame that we have warp damage buffs and illisi is the only warp melee that will take advantage of them

[plucky flax]

Zealot shits out so much melee damage this patch.

[potent echo]

what do mean not the best

also, nexus and flurry

[spice veldt]

a lot more offensive melee talents n stuff?

[potent echo]

yea we need melee talents

[plucky flax]

Yeah and the momentum keystone is really strong.

[potent echo]

not a single attack speed talent

[outer magnet]

idk mane im new to the game and it just seemed less effective than infinite lighting + void staff for elites

[plucky flax]

It makes you go fast af and do more damage.

[spice veldt]

jorts

[outer magnet]

ty, if i can ever log into the game again i'll go for it

[potent echo]

everytime i play veteran i wish i had an autopilot brainoff option for every encounter

[plucky flax]

Just use recon lasgun.

[ornate hamlet]

Best 2 perks on Voidstrike Staff and Duelling Sword?

[spice veldt]

my recommendations for perks on duellies #psyker-class message

[fluid knot]

Though Zealot is strong as fuck this patch i somewhat doubt its gonna see many changes. From arguably the weakest class to very good in a single patch

Good shit FS, good shit

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's good in a way that's not overtuned like psyker or ogryn.

Reward you for going fast and being aggressive in melee.

The nerf to holy rev was good also. I'm sad cos I can't full heal anymore but it's fair.

Also bm nerf so people can't cry about zealot left click with combat axe anymore.

[fluid knot]

Yeah i agree, it was a bit silly being able to bonk something once with TH an instantly get a full heal, also makes the heal after damage taken skill much more competative

Eh, BM is still very strong, but being capped to 4 saves a lot of balancing headaches

Been good for the shovel on Oggy though

[plucky flax]

Yeah I use to run headtaker decimator on antax pre-patch. Now I run bm headtaker.

The new decimator is good and bad in a way.

You can only get 1 stack at a time now so it's slow to build up.

[fluid knot]

Slower, its still very good, an it doesnt drop stacks on special attack anymore which is a definate improvement

We can actually use the full moveset of weapons that can roll it now without nerfing ourselves

[plucky flax]

Yeah and push attack doesn't drop stacks. If only they can squeak in the multi stacking too.

[fluid knot]

[copper charm]

||Quick question. When it'se best to use Scrier's gaze?||

[fluid knot]

When you need more damage an you're low on peril

[plucky flax]

Anyway headtaker works better for me now even tho I lose damage cos sometimes I miss a swing.

[spice veldt]

and when you won't need to use any peril stuff 10 seconds afterwards

[copper charm]

So basically...what I've been doing all this time. huh.

[fluid knot]

Yeah, but thats been a thing with Decimator forever so its super easy to work around

[spice veldt]

since the risk of scrier is that you can't exit it without having to go to 100% peril

[potent echo]

when you want like 20% chance to crit and 10% damage

[fluid knot]

Being able to hold heavy swings to make sure you dont miss is helpful ofc

[plucky flax]

Yeah but pre-patch decimator on combat axe is only 5 stacks and you can get it back in 2 swings.

Now it's 10 swings if you drop stacks.

[fluid knot]

Aye, thats true, but you start one hitting trash after like 2-3 stacks anyway, so its not a huge issue

More noticeable vs a bruiser pack than owt else

New bruisers are actually pretty dangerous tho, which is cool

[plucky flax]

I've yet to try a melee vet build in a game.

[grand scroll]

Hm.

[fluid knot]

Nah me either, but Hank said he managed to set one up that could oneshot mutants with Catachan Sword

So thats pretty nuts

[grand scroll]

Smite seems great for crowd control, but I don't see high Damage on a single charge.

[fluid knot]

Its not for damage @grand scroll

[plucky flax]

Hrm with high finnese devil claw you only need 2 hits. Not sure how to 1 shot when not having rampage going.

[fluid knot]

Ahh the single target is kinda bugged yeah

[grand scroll]

._.

[fluid knot]

Nah im not sure how he went about it, maybe with crit idk, but it being possible is still pretty neat, though i havent looked at the tree all too closely yet tbh

[grand scroll]

Anyway POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!!!

[plucky flax]

Yeah maybe it was a crit.

[fluid knot]

There is another patch impending, so it'll probably get sorted there

[grand scroll]

⚡

[fluid knot]

This version of the patch is an older one so there is a lot thats subject to change

[stable silo]

warp rupture vs creeping fl;ames halp team

[outer magnet]

I'm still not sure if infinite lightning is intended but I hope it isn't removed

[spice veldt]

creeping flames

since that has actual synergy with your feats and will stack with potentially existing sources of soulblaze

(soulblaze counts as a warp attack)

[fluid knot]

^ warp ruptue deals pitiful damage at the moment

200 doesnt even one shot groaners now idt

[plucky flax]

@fluid knot my melee build with a crit headshot. I don't have 25% maniac tho only 20% but even still I don't think it'll kill.

[grand scroll]

They're going to buff it, right?

[fluid knot]

Its a bug an is certainly getting removed, but its not really a buff to it anyway, it auto-stops casting at 100% peril an drops to 80% so you can cast again almost instantly

[outer magnet]

lame

[fluid knot]

Hmm, wonder what he used to do that then, might be worth pining him an askin

[plucky flax]

Maybe he took all the melee damage nodes.

[fluid knot]

To be fair, might been in stealth coz that gives a damage boost too

[grand scroll]

Other than a flat increase in damage, what else might they add to it?

[plucky flax]

I missed 1 I think.

But I am like hybrid support melee build. Still taking ammo aura for the ogryns.

[fluid knot]

Well they'll probbaly buff the left click's damage a fair bit, but the CC element will likely remain as is

[fluid knot]

Its a sensible pick tbh, i would still take that too

[grand scroll]

I mean Warp Rupture.

[fluid knot]

O

Probably give it more damage so its actually relevant

[grand scroll]

Same as this

[fluid knot]

Yeah, idt they'll do anything else for it

[plucky flax]

And demolition team for their op boxes/grenades.

[fluid knot]

But if the damage boost is similar to the total applied by stacks of blaze then it'll be very competative

[fluid knot]

That skill's tooltip is outdated, it only applies a 5% chance for the Vet to gain a grenade on kill, not the team anymore. It was changed because of the nuke Oggy has

[plucky flax]

I got boxes back tho as ogryn.

Not sure about the big nade but I got the boxes back.

[fluid knot]

Hmm... thats weird, Fireant an Hank were sayin yesterday it was outdated, maybe its been coded not for bomba but only for boxes then

[plucky flax]

I swear on me oggy mum.

[fluid knot]

Ofc rocks regen naturally so it wont apply to those

Ask em, Fireants in Ogg chat atm

[halcyon creek]

Tired: “UNLIMITED POWAAA”
Wired: “WITness your DOOOooom!”

[fluid knot]

So he says; "The regen ability with 5% chance don't apply to anyone but the vet. The ability that upgrade the box work for everyone.

"
The regen ability with 5% chance don't apply to anyone but the vet. The ability that upgrade the box work for everyone.
"

[plucky flax]

Hrm I played the other day and specifically asked me mate to pick demolition team. I'll check it again when I play with someone next.

[fluid knot]

Dewit, be curious to see whats going on there

Damnnit Melk, you were so close to perfection (its on Psyker)

Rip

[cyan notch]

[ornate hamlet]

Are those for the sword annnd staff?

[spice veldt]

nah just the duelling sword

[plucky flax]

Antax is back to better than rashad now imo. Rashad push attack is so doo doo.

[ornate hamlet]

Do you have a recommendation for staff?

[fluid knot]

Eh, thats basically perfect with flak an maniac, i like the Rashad visually

[spice veldt]

I don't use voidstrike so you'll have to wait on the vstrike users to come online

[fluid knot]

Surge is a solid pick if you dont want to use the blatantly broken Voidstrike

Way better post-patch

[plucky flax]

If you're using it for single target then yeah it still does more damage. But if you're using it as your main melee weapon it's rough without infinite bm cleave.

[spice veldt]

my homie trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Gotcha :p what do u use?

[fluid knot]

Surge is me main weapon in this setup, so zap an bonk 😄

[plucky flax]

Voidstrike go full meme. Crit chance surge and the true aim talent.

[spice veldt]

I use the Trauma staff since it's the staff that I enjoy the most out of our currently selection

I use it primarily as a stagger though; I never use it for hordeclear and whatnot

[grand scroll]

Now that I thought about it...

[spice veldt]

in regular missions, I'll only take it out once or so. It gets much more use on melee maelstroms though

[grand scroll]

Warp Rupture is basically you yelling a very bad insult at the heretics.

Like Vicious Mockery times seven.

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma is more op now with so many soulblaze talents.

Voidstrike and assail getting all the heat and I'm skating by.

[grand scroll]

I smite.

[plucky flax]

What makes unlimited power? You take empowered blitz and that's it? Any specific node there?

[grand scroll]

I have no idea 😄

[cerulean cave]

Empowered Psionics Keystone

if you use smite with a EP stack

UNLIMITED POWER

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[final fiber]

What blessings or perks should I reroll onto this staff?

[cerulean cave]

so I wanted to buy one, to check the blessings on it and also cause...why not just have one, right?
I bought a single one from Brunt...

not super optimal stats, sure

but literally my first pull on a VS and I get a 379 XD

[still hearth]

Wdym not super optimal stats

[cerulean cave]

rather have more blast radius, ngl

[still hearth]

You'd have to roll like a 1000 staves to get a better one

What

[spice oar]

Yeah I'd keep that just be lucky with the blessings

[still hearth]

The Voidstrike blast radius is bad

[cerulean cave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

surge user

[still hearth]

It literally does nothing ok

[cerulean cave]

never bothere with VS

[still hearth]

It only staggers in the explosion

[plucky flax]

If its not over 70% all stats don't bother.

[spice oar]

🤝

[cerulean cave]

okay yea it hardly gets better

damn

so it is a damn good pull

[still hearth]

No even

If it was big

It still does 0 damage in the aoe

[cerulean cave]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-alright-then-fine-great-okay-gif-23114127

[still hearth]

[cerulean cave]

nono

not to you

but the amount of pulls i had to do to get my other staves

and now this

[still hearth]

Nah I'm crying about the AoE being sad.

[cerulean cave]

for a staff I dont like

XD

oh XD

[still hearth]

1.3m isn't enough to hit multiple enemies ever

You can literally shoot the floor next to enemies and do 0 damage

[cerulean cave]

see that's why I personally never liked VS.
And why I now prefer Surge + Assail.

[still hearth]

I mean its basically objectively better rn but

You do you

[cerulean cave]

surge doesn't need to have perfect accuracy, it jumps to other enemies providing CC

yea cause it's busted jfc

[still hearth]

Ye

[cerulean cave]

can't wait for the whinging in a few weeks

[still hearth]

Voidstrike users enjoying it while it lasts

Ehhh

Most people are too hooked into Assail

[cerulean cave]

I meant VS users.
Assail is likely gonna be knocked down a bit as well

but the more pressing issues are deffo the bug

bugs*

especially the infini-dome one

[still hearth]

Smite users will cry when they have to actually let enemies move

[cerulean cave]

yea but honestly, if they fix the EP bug for smite, they have to give it something else.

cause that's the only thing putting smite on par with Assail, IMO

just eats too much peril

and the actual EP bonuses are...redundant

[still hearth]

I've ran it a lot without the EP

And its really good at what it should do

[cerulean cave]

25% spread speed does fuckall mostly, cause you're fully charging anyways. And 30% damage? 30% of what? 10/sec?

[still hearth]

I think if they make the LMB actually do damage like Surge

[gusty kestrel]

wait, enemies are supposed to move? thought it was a bug, like smite generating peril

[still hearth]

It will be fine

[still hearth]

[cerulean cave]

but yea as an old surge fan, smite is fun

buuuut...so is assail with new surge

just need to adjust your targetting a bit, to CC the right targets

[fresh crater]

i must have missed something whats up with the void staff?

[still hearth]

It does 1.4k

[cerulean cave]

voidstrike is overtuned af

[still hearth]

To anything it hits

[cerulean cave]

that's it

[still hearth]

At all

[fresh crater]

ah

[still hearth]

And you can get confirmed criticals for the surge blessing

So you can do 2.8k

[fresh crater]

jesus

[still hearth]

Or even more tbh

So you can one-shot crushers on crits

It's pretty fun

Though I don't use it because everyone and their mother already builds anti-crusher stuff

[cerulean cave]

I mean

[still hearth]

And I also can't get surge blessing ever

[cerulean cave]

Surge kills crushers in 3-4 full charges or so

[still hearth]

I wish Surge wasn't overshadowed by Voidstrike

It's so nice now

[cerulean cave]

only a matter of time

and ngl

[still hearth]

Why does the single target staff do less damage than the cleave one

[cerulean cave]

I've never seen VS safe a pub situation

[fluid knot]

A lot of em are gonna cry when the nerf happens, but im gonna go back to it when it does

[cerulean cave]

but surge I did

[fresh crater]

just means its less likely to get nerfed

[cerulean cave]

yea surge deals between 700 and 1.1k damage per full charge to a crusher, on Damnation

[fresh crater]

whats everyone use on the surge staff as far as perks go?

[cerulean cave]

just tested it

[cerulean cave]

depending on crit or not

average of 4 charges for one crusher

[thorn comet]

Smite bug fixed yet?

[still hearth]

No

[cerulean cave]

mine

[thorn comet]

Lol

[fresh crater]

mines not to bad off then

[cerulean cave]

flak damage is nice

Carapace dmg you dont need

as said

[cerulean cave]

^

[gusty kestrel]

WTF?

[cerulean cave]

crit is optional, but I got it from consecrating and didn't bother to swap it.

yea

Im in the meatgrinder rn

4 full charges to kill one crusher, depending on crits, 700-1100 dmg

[gusty kestrel]

then again. looks at my infinite palpatine hands of crowd control I have no rights to speak

[cerulean cave]

crit

that was one full charge for 750, then the crit

[fresh crater]

god im gonna have to farm so much fucking plasteel

[cerulean cave]

already almost dead

2 charges for maulers.

FS don't look at this, pls

[spice veldt]

hmm the shield also stops trapper nets

very nice

[gusty kestrel]

i just Smite and point in their direction. usually works... when my teammates arent dumber than the average servitor

[bold patrol]

the dome shield or the wall shield?

[still hearth]

Dome everything

[bold patrol]

the dome is mid

[gusty kestrel]

no reason not to dome tho

[still hearth]

The dome is way better than the wall

Fight me

[gusty kestrel]

unless you really need that point

[spice veldt]

i personally just run without upgrades to the shield ult

since it is what it is

the dome is nice for ganking the beast of nurgle and preventing bombers from blanketing your area

bonbon is whatever though and I think just the flat version is good enough for many situations

[fresh crater]

lol i must be wierd for using the burning force push then haha

[ashen schooner]

nah that's still solid

[gusty kestrel]

nah, I use it to

[bold patrol]

Does the dome stop mutants from charging?

[gusty kestrel]

it and purg staff is a great combo

[ashen schooner]

specially if doing other soulburn stuff

[fresh crater]

every other psyker i play with in pubs uses shield

[spice veldt]

nah the flat shield upgrades do that

[bold patrol]

The flat shield is way better than

[spice veldt]

unless that was rhetorical

[bold patrol]

it was

[spice veldt]

mutants are whatever though nowadays

[bold patrol]

Yeah but the dome is basically useless

[spice veldt]

marginally less HP and everyone's baseline damage was raised up

I also don't like the flat shield upgrades

two things can be meh at the same time

[bold patrol]

I guess it’s all personal preference and play-style

[gusty kestrel]

what i DONT like is that scream doesnt stagger them out of charges

[bold patrol]

I just feel like the wall is more useful in more situations

[spice veldt]

i'd go for dome specifically for monster maelstroms in case the team gets locked down by a bonbon + other stuff but otherwise I'm not taking any of the shield upgrades

[gusty kestrel]

bonbon?

[spice veldt]

beast of nurgle

bon bon bon

[gusty kestrel]

oh, lol

[lunar hollow]

beast of nurgle is the most fucking annoying boss for me now

since they made it harder to avoid being vomited on and the massive hp increases makes u really feel the dogshit hitzone multipliers that cover most of its body

can chunk a cspawn or plogryn for 15k damage if i hit all 4 shots with a gg, cannot do that to a bon

[spice veldt]

yeah one of the more annoying bosses to fight and way more dependent on the map section

[gusty kestrel]

is that why it always felt horrible trying to dodge?

[spice veldt]

like if it's an open area, the bonbon is whatevs

[lunar hollow]

it was super easy to avoid before

now as much now

and it seems more prone to spamming vomits everywhere

[spice veldt]

but if it's a corridor (a good portion of map sections), it's very peepee poopoo

yeah it is less prone to meleeing it seems when you're up close

which is very annoying

[gusty kestrel]

and it seems like they increased how much it slows you, but that just might be me

[lunar hollow]

hi would you like to fight an enemy that you can only do good damage versus when its facing away from you

in an area where you do not have enough space to get someone on the other side of it

[gusty kestrel]

Cries in Vet main

[lunar hollow]

hey at least

bomber nades don't stagger u

nor do muties when they happen to jump near you

[spice veldt]

god bless

[gusty kestrel]

also, question, where exactly is the spawns weak spot?

because i know they have one because i get the hitmarkers, i just dont know where

[lunar hollow]

there's a kinda-tiny head hitbox that hides for some of the attacks

funnily enough the 2nd highest damage area as far as hitzones go is its ass iirc

[gusty kestrel]

I'll... wait that actually explains a lot

[spice veldt]

yeah they've got this mouth/head thing

[gusty kestrel]

i have chainsawed a lot of chaos spawn ass

[spice veldt]

it has armour on its model, but it counts as unyielding

kinetic deflection not generating toughness from warp expenditure is very peepee poopoo to me

[gusty kestrel]

always wondered why the damage was so good from behind

guess the spawn is secretly slanesshi

[lunar hollow]

quietude + warp absorption is more than enough for me anyways

no real reason to take more than that

although im ngl battle meditation has been the single best perk for my survival

[molten halo]

Best psyker build??

[cerulean cave]

yes

[molten halo]

which one?

[cerulean cave]

depends on what you like

[lucid fulcrum]

having an incomparable mind normally is the best

[gusty kestrel]

the one with left AND right clicks

[molten halo]

i'm pretty new..

[cerulean cave]

the one with warp attacks

[lucid fulcrum]

assail is the strongest rn, voidstrike and surge too have gotten good

[cerulean cave]

test around, try the different staves

[spice veldt]

mostly for boss fights

[lucid fulcrum]

psykers just good in general

[lunar hollow]

who needs toughness when u have the power of frantically dodging

[spice veldt]

i'm currently taking all of the toughness regen talents

shlerp

[lunar hollow]

im still proud of when i had to 1v1 a plogryn with a dueling sword and we had this like long epic fight because half my team died

in the middle of a boss spawn + horde

[gusty kestrel]

as they say, fuck around, find out

[lunar hollow]

we lost afterwards but i felt like a chad

[gusty kestrel]

its what i did, and now i have a decently effective build

[lucid fulcrum]

how good is the dueling sword rn actually as been meaning to nab one and upgrade it

[spice veldt]

mk4 heavies got buffed to heaven

[cerulean cave]

been enjoying my MK5

[spice veldt]

they're roughly similar to deimos's h2 now

[lunar hollow]

been stabbin motherfuckers with the mk4

feels nice

[molten halo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4ca287-c8bb-4c9a-8e2c-75b6c3e3c14c/auricdam-hi-int-build-assail

[lunar hollow]

that was the original psyker weapon i built for after crafting came out

[molten halo]

this one is good?

[spice veldt]

deimos h2

mk4 heavy

[lucid fulcrum]

oh hell yeah, I have a mk5 but gonna need to grab the mk4 and test that out then

oh shit yeah thats good

[spice veldt]

one problem i see is that Perilous Combustion isn't taken

it is easily one of the best and cheapest nodes that you can afford to take

[molten halo]

Perilous Combustion?

[spice veldt]

otherwise i guess it's a warp charge build so it is what it is

[molten halo]

ok thx.

[spice veldt]

the soulblaze from perilous combustion will ramp up quite a lot if you kill elites/specials quickly in a small area

[gusty kestrel]

wait the mk4 has unlimited dodges?

[spice veldt]

on melee maelstrom, it is essentially a must-have

[cerulean cave]

btw which missions are you guys usually running just for plasteel grind?

[humble urchin]

which dueling sword got buffed again?

[spice veldt]

duelling swords have finite dodges, but they're quite fast/long dodges

[lucid fulcrum]

mk4

[cerulean cave]

5 dodges

[humble urchin]

thx

[cerulean cave]

oh wait that's mk 5

mb

[gusty kestrel]

well, it says unlimited.

[cerulean cave]

where? o.O

[spice veldt]

oh you mean force swords?

[molten halo]

is there a tips to make lvl fasteR?

[spice veldt]

yeah force swords have infinite dodges

[gusty kestrel]

yeah

[cerulean cave]

oooh

[gusty kestrel]

that explains why they felt better at least

[cerulean cave]

yea force swords have infinite

[cerulean cave]

learn the game, get better at it, understand the sound queues and slowly but steadily start playing more difficult missions.

higher difficulty = more XP

[spice veldt]

exp rewards scale linearly which is meh, so I'd just run difficulties that you can reliably clear at a brisk pace

[humble urchin]

and play either T1 difficulty or T3 for speedrun, not worth the risk for T4 and T2 basically gives the same xp reward from T1

[gusty kestrel]

T4 pretty much needs a competent team

[lucid fulcrum]

can also go into the lfg on here and get a group that way to help

[gray kelp]

gotta say ive been running soulblaze crit-oriented trauma staff and I think it's pretty good actually

[gusty kestrel]

I'll have to try out the VS staff eventually tho

I used it before buffs, and only remember it being bad

[plucky flax]

Party up with someone and queue damnation.

[cerulean cave]

wish they'd finally buff plasteel drops...everybody's sitting on thousands of diamantine with fuckall to do with it...

[gray kelp]

it really helps finish unarmored stuff off in hordes and the soulblaze stacks can ramp up to kill a lot of things just by itself

easier to generate warp charges to shotgun stuff with wrath + 6 soulblaze stacks too

[plucky flax]

Always been op.

[lucid fulcrum]

soulblaze my beloved

[gray kelp]

I played a lot in the first 1-2 months then stopped playing until recently so idk what was considered meta in that time

[gusty kestrel]

dont be chained to the meta bud

[plucky flax]

Strongest psyker build pre patch was blaze trauma.

[gusty kestrel]

tis a way to end up adding to the salt

[gray kelp]

and back when I played trauma was underpowered lol, like 50% peral gen on charged

oh yeah idc about meta much

im just playing around seeing what works

[gusty kestrel]

new question: Is Smite any good with Gaze?

[gray kelp]

gaze peril ramps up quickly

and smite generates a lot of peril

[gusty kestrel]

seems like it might let smite actually kill things in less than 3 business' days

[gray kelp]

I feel like you'd be micromanaging peril too much for it to be worth

[gusty kestrel]

eh. thats what empowered psionics is for

negates peril on smite

or it has been for me...

[gray kelp]

I think that's not intended so I don't really consider smite currently

[gusty kestrel]

that is fair

nowhere does it say its supposed to

[outer magnet]

yea it's nuts OP right now

you can completely trivialize an area forever with the empowered biden beam

[gray kelp]

i hope they buff scrier a bit tbh, i havent tried everything but it feels like you can't get a lot of value out of it if you are doing stuff that generates a non-trivial amount of peril

[gusty kestrel]

on the otherhand, EP kinda screws over smite with what it DOES say it gives it, which is a measly +30% damage, and faster spread

[gray kelp]

i want it to be good so bad cus of the movespeed lol

[outer magnet]

yeah it's pretty much useless with how much peril it costs otherwise

your choice is use bugged op lightning or not be able to use it for more than 10sec

[gusty kestrel]

Yeah, before i got keystone i mostly used it to stop stuff that incapped

trappers and dogs usually

[outer magnet]

big swag

[plucky flax]

I had a super smooth auric maelstrom yesterday only 24 mins long cos there was an unlimited power psyker.

He stopped all the dogs and muties trains.

[outer magnet]

easy mode fr

[gusty kestrel]

its just to bad that ive gotten so many stupid teammates

[plucky flax]

Doesn't reflect on scoreboard damage but he was the real mvp.

[gray kelp]

i gotta say though the amount of fotm psykers that have no idea what they're doing i see in damnation is crazy

[gusty kestrel]

like, rex the guy whos down while i stu- no, stop killing shit!

[gray kelp]

like they read assails was op on reddit then queue for damnation then die instantly if anything gets into melee range lol

[spice veldt]

i wonder if they've updated the tutorial

[humble urchin]

I find the combination of assails plus voidstrike staff fits the glass cannon role very well lol

[spice veldt]

beginners would be better at melee combat if the game just told them how dodges worked

[gray kelp]

i mean voidstrike is basically goku firing ki blasts

might as well be infinite dmg right now lol

[humble urchin]

I still haven't get the surge blessing yet, can't wait giving it a try when I got one lol

[gray kelp]

hell yeah 3 veteran lobby in damnation lets go

[spice veldt]

uh oh the tutorial is still the same and lies to you about the toughness

[raw token]

what does it say?

[spice veldt]

something along the lines of "you don't take health damage until your toughness is completely broken"

[raw token]

oh

[spice veldt]

and if you get hit by the scab shooter's melee attack at <100% toughness, you take no melee bleedthrough

the tutorial is running on a far outdated version of the game

[raw token]

was that first beta or before first beta

i cant remember

[small bronze]

Buff Smite please 🥺

[gusty kestrel]

it was also only today i learned that shriek/wrath can get you out of perils...

[plucky flax]

Yeah its handy man.

[dawn sphinx]

The shriek is handy if you mess up your peril, which happens to the best let's be honest, but I personally love the two shields - despite how jank and unreliable they can be. If they work - they work.

[plucky flax]

Shield is op for muties train modifier indeed.

[spice veldt]

the shield blocking flamers, bonbon's spit, and trapper's net is a very nice utility to have

esp as the center ult that i can take to avoid scrier when coming from the right side

[plucky flax]

Also op for dogs modifiers.

Dogs running into wall.

[small bronze]

Call PETA

Abusing doggo

[gray kelp]

what perks do you guys like to run on trauma? damage vs. flak/maniacs maybe?

[plucky flax]

I only use blaze trauma and I recommend crit chance flak.

I dunno the bad rending build.

[dawn sphinx]

I just like it to make sure I can delete the mutie before he can cause trouble, honestly.

Mutie grabbed my mate? I can say no to that. Mutie train running at us? I can also deny them. Trappers can't do shit about it and snipers? Well they usually just pierce through it - ESPECIALLY on stairs.

[strong gulch]

I second fire trauma. Crit chance + flak and Nexus + Blazing Spirit

[dawn sphinx]

I just hate that you sometimes can't place it - or can't dodge afterwards until you swap weapons.

[spice veldt]

also i just realized that you can rotate the placement of the shield with LMB while holding F

very neat

[plucky flax]

Good rip.

Tip

[raw token]

assuming maniacs dont count as unarmoured?

[formal hill]

Maniacs count as maniacs

[spice veldt]

yeah, "Unarmoured" is its own armour type

not the best choice of terms for discussions especially when involving colloquial but it is what it is

[magic slate]

Is this surge worth keeping?

[still hearth]

It's not terrible.

[vestal fulcrum]

It's not spectacular, but it's probably good enough.

[magic slate]

what would you swap the perks too?

maniac carapace?

or crit carapace?

[still hearth]

Keep one and swap Terrifying to the other Warp blessing

[magic slate]

flurrry?

[still hearth]

Crit chance won't really help that much rn

Yeah

You already have like 40-50% crit chance

5% more isn't really that beneficial

[magic slate]

true lmao

[still hearth]

So probably carapace/unyielding instead of stam

[magic slate]

I know VS is broken atm but wanted to try new surge

[still hearth]

New Surge feels so good

[raw token]

new surge is rly good

[still hearth]

But yeah VS is dumb af

Surge should be doing like 4x more damage rn

To compete

[formal hill]

Just use smite like a real man

[frigid sparrow]

This is going to probably sound redundant, but I have a level 30 psyker and haven't played this class since release. Is there a cookiecutter build that I can use to get my bearings straight again?

[formal hill]

I don't always play psyker but when I do, I only ever use smite

[still hearth]

If you run Assail with Shriek and Voidstrike staff that's pretty busted rn.

Getting used to not having peril removal on the other ult is big

(Don't run Scrier's)

[young spear]

voidstrike is so nutty

grahh voidstrike

[barren dome]

what curio perks do we like? Currently running health/toughness/block efficiency.
Thinking about swapping either health or toughness to toughness regen

[young spear]

i like stamina regen and tough regen

though the stam regen is probably not necessary because psyker stam regen is super good

[still hearth]

Gunner Resistance

Though if you're running Assail it probably isn't that bad

[sharp maple]

So uhh, how does smite work exactly? Does charging the lightning just make it deal more damage per tick?

[still hearth]

Don't use the LMB its just worse

[sharp maple]

Im not really noticing a difference

[fresh reef]

Just making sure my math checks here, at max stacks (30) of Disrupt Destiny, is BB getting an effective 105% damage increase since it always hits weakspots?

[still hearth]

The RMB use is the same but AoE and stronger

[sharp maple]

Yeah, the charge up is so fast I didn't really see the point in lmb

[summer prairie]

disrupt destiny doesn't mark specialists, kind of artificial

[sharp maple]

I was just wondering if I was misuing it because visually its basically the same

[summer prairie]

and horde enemies

[young spear]

i have a really hard time keeping disrupt destiny active

[spice veldt]

yeah if not horde enemies I wish it marked special enemies

[young spear]

feels so inconsistent

[still hearth]

It is

It's super bad rn

[spice veldt]

i'd take it over EP if you're not doing assail spam (which tbf why wouldn't you do assail spam if already running assail)

[young spear]

i like the idea of diving, bagging your stack, and then getting a speed boost to gtfo

[summer prairie]

10% toughness is kind of laughable too, might as well not be there

[young spear]

but the tagging just never appears

[still hearth]

Apparently that's bugged

So the glow doesn't show

[spice veldt]

yeah just the glow for some reason

[sharp maple]

Scriers gaze looks difficult to use

[young spear]

yeah i noticed, i just meant like

situations in which an enemy will be tagged

[spice veldt]

I also think there's some leniency if a teammate kills your marked enemy but you dealt damage to them

[still hearth]

It's pretty awful imo

[young spear]

like during climax events where no elites spawn during waves, you'll never get any disrupt stacks

[still hearth]

But for melee and gun builds maybe

[sharp maple]

First time playing since the patch so I am still trying stuff out, can you keep quelling during scriers gaze or uhhh

[raw token]

for gunker its insane

[still hearth]

Idk about insane

[raw token]

it is

[still hearth]

Especially since comboing it with Warp Charges is silly rn

[empty onyx]

What exactly is Finesse damage and how relevant is it?

[summer prairie]

you can keep quelling but eventually it generates as much (or more) peril as you quell

[young spear]

weakspot damage

[sharp maple]

Ah okay so it ramps up over time

[spice veldt]

and going to 100% peril being the only way to exit it

[still hearth]

Finesse is crit, weakspot and critweakspot damage

[summer prairie]

sciers gaze should have e.g. 45 cooldown but it should start the cooldown as soon as you use it rather than when it ends

[sharp maple]

Oof does the cooldown only kick in when you exit it?

[still hearth]

Yep

And probably because of that

[sharp maple]

Yikes. Yeah that'd require a really specific build

[still hearth]

Warp Charges CDR doesn't work on it

[spice veldt]

being able to press F and exit it immediately would also be a very nice boon

[sharp maple]

I think i'll stick to the shield / shriek

[summer prairie]

disrupt destiny stacks are probably super easy to keep up when it actually highlights targets properly

[young spear]

is there a bug with warp charges and the shield

or, i have a clip

[still hearth]

Yes

[spice veldt]

yeah it's essentially a dice roll to get DD stacks

[still hearth]

If you have 1 or more warp charges it has no CD

[young spear]

gotcha

i put down like 7 shields in 5 seconds

[summer prairie]

since even if your ally kills the target, it will immediately pick another near you and there will usually be random non-horde ambients all over

with 30s duration stacks anyway

[raw token]

even with the bug, gunker keeps the stacks up easily

[summer prairie]

but only the precision bonus aspect of it actually matters and even then only when your stacks are high

the chance to quell on killing a marked target is laughable, that has an effective value of 3 peril per marked target killed

[spice veldt]

worse battle meditation

should be deterministic at least

100% chance to quell 5% peril or something

[summer prairie]

100% chance to quell 10 and maybe it would be worth picking, probably not even then

there's only one marked target available at any single time and peril management is barely a thing

I mean you quell all the time, but it's there more to be a fun loop rather than a problem

[spice veldt]

yeah mostly a scrier's gaze thing

[fresh reef]

I wish the stacks didn't all fall off at once. Disrupt Destiny + BB would be great for bossing if it didn't require the constant upkeep of "kill this enemy or lose all of your bonuses"

[summer prairie]

I guess you save 250ms or something when it triggers but then you have to pay attention to that

movement speed duration should be at least doubled and it should be toughness dr instead, probably

[still hearth]

Warp Charges all over again

[spice veldt]

maybe replace the +toughness replenishment with the DR

[still hearth]

Make Disrupt Destiny just stay forever

But it's bonuses are much smaller

[spice veldt]

I think the movement speed is nice as a "you dive for this kill now you get to run away" sort of deal

[still hearth]

But the cap is much higher

Have Psykers sit in the start begging people to not go

[spice veldt]

id let specials get marked

[still hearth]

"Guys just let me get my 500 destiny stacks first"

[spice veldt]

or make it a node

[raw token]

is it really worth taking purloin providence if youre using scriers?

[spice veldt]

no, and I wouldn't build around scrier's

[raw token]

nor would i

except for gunker

[drowsy slate]

You should get the stacks when someone in coherency kills the marked dude

[spice veldt]

there's some leniency if a teammate gets the kill but I don't know the exact mechanics surrounding it

[still hearth]

That would make it a bit too easy to upkeep

[long wharf]

Scriers would be a lot nicer if the peril gain didn't accelerate

[spice veldt]

yeah, even if the peril gen didn't accel, it would still be good enough of a downside

[fluid knot]

The getting a kill stopping the generation element im not even sure works tbh

[spice veldt]

I suppose it's to balance out the stacking buffs

[empty onyx]

If it didn't accelerate you could keep it up forever though.

[fluid knot]

You can get 4 quell cycles out of it if you're on the ball, its decent in that respect, but given the damage boost isnt all that high ehh

[spice veldt]

I'd just remove the stacking buffs and make scrier's gaze just something to boost psyker's neutral game for a bit of peril

[fluid knot]

It should be longer duration or higher output buff, one of the two

[patent steeple]

Unless they make its base peril gain slightly higher, like 1-3% per tick.

[lunar hollow]

we've heard your complaints that assail is too strong and scrier's is too weak and we've decided to completely break psyker's staffs in a new and innovative way

[sharp maple]

Did they change surge staff? This def feels different

[fluid knot]

But Voidstrike is already broken

[fluid knot]

Yeah, its more single target damage instead of CC now

Imo, much improved

You're not deadweight vs 80% of enemies anymore

[sharp maple]

Does it chains at all? Or is it pure single target

[fluid knot]

It chains a couple dudes, 3 if you got the Smite perk, but it only does beeg damage to one

[spice veldt]

maybe scrier's gaze should also make non-force attacks count as warp attacks

[fluid knot]

It feels really good now tbh

[sharp maple]

Alright sick, thanks

[fluid knot]

o7

[spice veldt]

so that it can benefit from malefic and perfect timing

[fluid knot]

Thats actually a good idea tbh

More synergies

[lunar hollow]

warp absorption time

[spice veldt]

and remove the peril gen behavior by default and move it to the nodes

or a node that opts out of it in exchange for making it weaker

since the other ults are essentially just time-gated stuff

none which have a straight up detriment like scrier's

[summer prairie]

maybe you can keep the peril build up but have it reset on elite/special kills or something

[spice veldt]

hmm, peril build up but gain +50% peril resistance for all other peril gen?

as a default behavior

[summer prairie]

Ok, hitting a DD marked enemy refreshes the stacks

[limpid lily]

I gotta say, I find it rather silly that with the new charge speed of Surge staff, you can basically full charge BEFORE your peril bar even registers the fact that you're charging, is pretty crazy. Basically just quell like 2-3%, full charge, and ur still fine xD

[spice veldt]

ohh that's interesting

[summer prairie]

so with something like purg you are probably going to get hits in

but it's bad for purg

[spice veldt]

let DD mark bosses

[frigid sparrow]

How exactly do these asail crystals work?

I can left click or launch with right click? Does right click do more dmg?

[summer prairie]

You should just spam left click unless there's a target far away you really want to kill

and move your cursor over the intended targets

[spice veldt]

RMB is purely for a lock-on up to 50m; no extra damage or anything

[frigid sparrow]

and it looks like surge is a single target thing now?

With no animation cancels 😦

[fluid knot]

Its better now

You're not deadweight vs 80% of the enemies any longer by bringing it

[frigid sparrow]

I like it

I really like it

[summer prairie]

It's good at least as long as assail remains viable as your main ranged

[shrewd comet]

I go illisi, surge staff, assail, psychic scream 😛

[fluid knot]

Nah, it also got a range increase

Sure it wont reach out across a whole map, but its more than enough for 90% of scenarios

Besides, Assail loses a lot of its effectiveness beyond the range where Surge stops grabbing enemies

[summer prairie]

Granted I haven't tried using just surge as my primary ranged for the whole map, but it felt more like something I want to switch to against specific targets

[fluid knot]

You can do the whole game with it now tbh, its been a really nice buff

[shrewd comet]

Yeah I use surge staff on them carapace dudes

And assail for everything else

[fluid knot]

Surge + Smite is what i been running these last couple of days an its got such high carry potential, super fun build

[empty onyx]

I run Surge Scrier, Smite & Mk IV Dueling Sword. Read that wrong.

And Revolver.

Wait, that's wrong.

[frigid sparrow]

Is it gear dependant? I'm going from my fully decked out zealot to a psyker with nothing but blues lol

[fluid knot]

Less gear dependent than some other builds, but you still want a good staff with Nexus/Flurry on it an a good melee option if you're forced to swap

[balmy kestrel]

i havent played yet what are all 3 ults?

[orchid nest]

I think purg is going to be a sleeper hit right now that ends up at the top after a round of changes. It's already pretty strong with the damage buff and being able to take everything talent wise you need now, but having smite with it when they fix the single target function and other stuff relative to it is toned down and I think you will see a lot more people running it.

[balmy kestrel]

i was thinking crystals, XI Shotgun, any dueling sword, and the barrier

[fluid knot]

I dont think Purga is gonna see any changes if im honest

[orchid nest]

I don't think it is either, that isn't what I said

[spice veldt]

psyker's arms are too weak to wield shotguns 😔

[fluid knot]

Eh, it does Purgatus things, its still pretty mid, yes it can incinerate a horde, but its got a skill ceiling an inch off the metal floor grates

Its the "entry level" staff, an pretty much always has been

Not too much thinking required, doesnt demand much in the way of target priority or positioning

[balmy kestrel]

oh do they not have them?

[spice veldt]

sadly not

[balmy kestrel]

ill run a lasgun then

[orchid nest]

It has an extreme ability right now in the new talent tree to incinerate entire swaths of elites and specials sans crushers with the new tree and I think many people haven't even tried it yet and when other stuff is nerfed and smites single target ability lets it have damage against crushers at the same time it will be relatively stronger than it is now. The skill level isn't even really relevant to that part of the discussion, but yes it is easy to play.

[wet belfry]

I dont understand actually why psyker never got shotgun

[frigid sparrow]

So, I'm running around the meat grinder. It looks like assail is my horde/chaff option, surge does good damage against big boy single target, and my mk V ds is my backup

[wet belfry]

It feels far more synergstic with psyker then many of the other guns do.

[frigid sparrow]

How does smite fit into that? Is it the horde weapon?

[fluid knot]

Its pretty much what it already did mate

[balmy kestrel]

what guns does psyker have access to

[lucid pewter]

can psykers daggers crit? is it worth building for crit on the skill tree?

[fluid knot]

Purgatus has really not changed in terms of how much output it can put out relative to the enemy buffs because of the new feats, it sits in a very similar position to what it was before

[orchid nest]

Yeah it does it even better now though. The new talents play into it better. AB is easier to use at 6 stacks, you can have it and warp battery at the same time and it's bundled in with quicken so you can fire off another 6 charge one very quickly. You get wildfire for free instead of it being a choice you had to sacrifice for etc

[wet belfry]

Recon lasguns, infantary lasguns, headhunter autoguns, infantary autoguns, revolver, laspistol, autopistol.

[fluid knot]

Assail + Surge fill basically the same role, an thats killing mid-tier elites an specials, Sword would be what i would go to if i really needed to kill a horde

[spice veldt]

ye; I build around crit cuz of True Aim being what it is

[summer prairie]

with 30 stacks of DD assail weakspot crits can do 1400

[frigid sparrow]

Apparently I was really into dueling swords when I played this last and I got quite a few of them. It's a lot of vertical slices, is there a better weapon for this sort of thing?

[balmy kestrel]

thanks, ill be able to play tomorrow so yea

[frigid sparrow]

Apparently I have antax's too lol

[fluid knot]

Not gonna lie to bud, i was always a fan of WnR + Wildfire over Purga 😄 harder to use, but had super high output if you could get it spooled up

[fluid knot]

Illisi is probably your best bet

Its fuckin OP tho so i dont like using it

[frigid sparrow]

Oh man, yall got a new sword? When did that happen?

[fluid knot]

Deimos clears a horde very well an can poke out muties eyes if you want a less OP force sword

Idk number of months back now

[frigid sparrow]

I played psyker back when everyone was still learning that you can infinite block with the blaze sword waaaay back in the day lol

[orchid nest]

Yeah that also is a buff to it though at the same time, even better that you can stack it with the build. It isn't stronger than the current options but it can very easily be if other stuff is toned down is my point. I don't think that is a wild take.

[frigid sparrow]

And everyone was pouring their mats into trying to roll one of those swords

[fluid knot]

Nah its not a wild take at all, though i dont think its that much better than it was before because soulblaze is still withheld to stack caps

[spiral lion]

Blaze sword?

[frigid sparrow]

Yeah, it had this blessing where you could blocked ranged attacks and use your feat for peril gen on block

And everyone was trying it out to see if it was OP or not

[spiral lion]

it's deflector...

[frigid sparrow]

We talking like a month after game release lol

[fluid knot]

Its still a thing, though it was toned down a bit i believe, though i cant say ive used it really ever myself

[sterile saddle]

deflector is still really strong

[fluid knot]

More damage more betterer on melee imo

[sterile saddle]

still can't block a crusher tho

so.. not really worth it

[orchid nest]

The damage buff is actually pretty noticeable at least too, considering it ticks roughly 3 times a second. I know it kills elites much faster than pre patch because of it, you don't have to ramp as much before ticking them out which is pretty nice

[sterile saddle]

if you're runnign a gunner heavy map it's useful if u get caught out in the open

or if u want to bait an attack so ur vet can shoot stuff

but u can also just.. shield

[fluid knot]

They're a bit of unique case though, they have spillover, so any damage past what breaks your toughness goes straight to HP an you can ofc block their overheads. I think Maulers are the same just to a lesser extent

[frigid sparrow]

Any chance you would be willing to post your build Dorfus?

[fluid knot]

Yer gimmie a sec

[fluid knot]

Aye if it ramps up faster that is better

[sterile saddle]

the mitigation you get from Deflector AND the block perk at the bottom right should negate the crusher dmg before reaching 100% peril. I've even tried stacking Stamina to build a second layer of protection and it still poofs u

[fluid knot]

@frigid sparrow

[fluid knot]

Yeah, they're pretty stronk with the overhead

[naive imp]

What is this build for?

[fluid knot]

Weapons if you care

[balmy kestrel]

other than the scream and the barrier, what ult is there?

[fluid knot]

Carrying pugs

[balmy kestrel]

oh right its the meditation thing

[sterile saddle]

I still feel like if you're specialising into toughness and dmg mitigation, not being able to block at least ONE overhead chop is absurd

ur sacraficing a lot to be beefy and dude just punts u

[fluid knot]

I mean it is an overhead swing by a meat-tank with a 200lbs bit of rebar 😅

[sterile saddle]

Yeah, i know, i'm just salty cause I really wanted it to wkr

[lucid pewter]

I like playing with only assail, is my build okay?

[sterile saddle]

god no

ur missing warp rider

[spice veldt]

I'd take Perilous Combustion

[fluid knot]

If you're playing it with Scriers you're gonna explode a fuckin lot pal

[plucky flax]

Yeah take walls and then dd.

Pew pew.

[spice veldt]

Purloin is also quite bad

[sterile saddle]

Warp rider is like.. mandatory.

[raw token]

so are walls better than bubble?

[sterile saddle]

eh.. it's preference

[plucky flax]

I prefer walls cos they stop specials but it's preference.

[spice veldt]

Id take dome for monster maelstroms but otherwise no comment

[lucid pewter]

alright I got warp rider, anything else to change?

[lucid pewter]

i can usually manage my peril pretty well, scriers gives me crit chance that's why i chose that

[spice veldt]

remove Purloin and take Perilous Combustion instead

[orchid nest]

they can be for sure it kind of depends on the map though. walls certainly is clutch if you're doing auric to break up special spams. it's pretty funny having the dome trivialize a beast of nurgle though too

[sterile saddle]

dome is a bit better at handling open spaces too

plus gives toughness regen

and it is useful for corralling your team when they have a tendency to split up

"Oooh, giant bubble.. LEts go stand there!"

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure, that is what I was getting at for the map. even though I would lean on walls being more useful in general the dome can make certain sketchy events a lot more comfortable

[sterile saddle]

I also run wall tho

u get 2 lol

hands down better imo

if ur getting smeked from all sides.. u probably should move

[orchid nest]

dome is also good for saving some damage on a team mate that got caught by a mutant but you're still closing distance which is nice

the toughness regen really limits the health damage they will take from the smashes

[sterile saddle]

u can actually drop a shield ontop of the mutie

and cancel action

it stunlocks them inside the shield

like watching a boomer moonwalking backwards XD

[orchid nest]

yeah that works it they impact the other inside wall of the dome haha

pretty cool

[sterile saddle]

dome blocks muties?

[orchid nest]

it doesn't block them coming in but it seems like they crash into the other side of the dome as if it were a wall

[sterile saddle]

huh

[orchid nest]

not like a stagger, just a regular stop

[sterile saddle]

bro slows down to scratch his head

he really wanted to pop that bubble

i got untouchable yesterdaty

feeling pretty proud

[orchid nest]

I admittedly don't run the dome very much so maybe I was just not noticing it right, I can test it I guess

[sterile saddle]

i've been playing zealot recently too

so much fun

i mean, i'm not using anything particularily new, just bleeding stuff and critting