psyker-class

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

For staff you absolutely need:

• warp nexus 4
• blazing spirit 3
• +5% crit chance
• 78-80% charge rate and blast radius

For melee I use Deimos with +maniac 25, +special 8, unstable power 4 and Deflector 4

[old flame]

What’s the benefit of the obscures/demios over the illisi

[zinc phoenix]

Idk but I also prefer Deimos 😂

[autumn smelt]

I personally use illisi with that trauma build

[wanton sandal]

chain tho...

[near wyvern]

Which is why I said it's not that dumb to bring smite. I just carry a Deimos so I can clear them out quickly.

[narrow crane]

Thank you, I do a lil trolling/flaming but I'm gonna give this build a serious go

[zinc phoenix]

2mio space Nazi bucks later and you’ll have the weaps you need 😂

[near wyvern]

You gotta quell cancel all the time, if you are in a pinch don't panic, do quell cancelled 1/3rd chages and dodge your way out while you do it. Nothing can touch you.

Except a mutie but time those dodges!

[near wyvern]

The sad truth is that may not be enough

[zinc phoenix]

Me dodging the mutie right into the net : 😤

Or like today where I got rezzed, immediately tackled, tossed into net, then pox bursted into abyss

I was like w t f

[near wyvern]

And bomber throwing the bomb after you for a good measure. It's about sending a message.

[zinc phoenix]

AI with the 9000iq plays

[ornate hamlet]

Help, yall Mfers got me hooked on psyker

I don't even play aggressive zealot anymore I play support and turn everyone into God level tanks

THIS IS NOT THE WAY I PLAY

[pastel hazel]

Psykers carry fr

[old flame]

No more running alone to die

[pastel hazel]

I get so annoyed with trying to level zealot to a usable state I just return to psyker

[ornate hamlet]

I never ran alone to die. Aggressive zealot still unkillable but it's selfish

Everyone else dies then I gotta revive

[olive ember]

I see you chose to go classic

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker for me is the Embodiment of "carries until it doesnt"

[zinc phoenix]

zealot is awesome, such a dynamic and high movement way to play

you do have to be really careful about when you commit to melee tho

some people always yolo and they get splatted

[ornate hamlet]

30 gunners? I'm yeeting myself in and thammer swinging through all of it until my invisibility perk activates with max martyrdom stacks and get "mostly" all of my health back

[autumn smelt]

@zinc phoenix I see your misfortune with muties and offer you this

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker voidstrike though

Hard to put down

[zinc phoenix]

“Doggie catch, here is snack!”

[burnt tapir]

So Trauma feels really good, but man. Sometimes even on 5s you walk into a room and the bolter zealot and las vet have erased everything from existence before you finished charing your first boom

[outer smelt]

. . .

How. Why.

Why game. Why.

[burnt tapir]

I didn't realize that was possible

[ornate hamlet]

WHAT?

[outer smelt]

sobs in paper sword

[ornate hamlet]

KEEP IT

[zinc phoenix]

Then you eat a stun, get 1hp from martyrdom and die to a random nade 😂

[ornate hamlet]

DARKTIDE HARD MODE

[outer smelt]

right??

[wanton sandal]

havent seen anyone post psyker krieg. got drippy coat tho

[zinc phoenix]

How dueling sword feels half the time

[ornate hamlet]

The way I run my zealot it can't really be stunned

If it got stunned I'd Hate zealot

[dense grove]

Hey, new on Darktide. Got a question about penances, is it still posible to to the "blessed by fate" penance? I have no idea what Psykinetics wrath is and cant find anything about it.

[autumn smelt]

He literally threw me between the dog and the dude the dog was going for
The mutant said get down Mr president but used me for it instead

[burnt tapir]

It's the vent abilty on the left side

[ornate hamlet]

I still remember when a mutant starting slamming me into heretic fire, then threw me into another mutant which started to slam me until 2 poxbursted busted on me

[autumn smelt]

They just changed the name of it, it's the left ability on the tree

[ornate hamlet]

This game has a way of saying "screw you" sometimes

[dense grove]

Oh so venting shriek. okay thank you!

[zinc phoenix]

Reeee of power

[near shell]

Yo witch mains
How good them buffs yall got?

[noble trellis]

pretty insane tbh
psyker cooks on max difficulty without much crafting requirement

[burnt tapir]

everything except surge feels great

Surge slaps damage wise, but it's pointless. Super high peril costs, hits only two enemies. Most any weapon does similar damage for less peril hitting more targets

[autumn smelt]

I've lost 2 clutches yesterday I would have gotten otherwise due to enemies deciding to hit me when a mutant held me, so I died from quite literally full hp

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think a mutant has ever hit me by itself. I cannot recall one time when its not followed up by another special or elite

Do people actually not get wombo combo'd?

[near wyvern]

It's more like classic on steroids

[analog solstice]

Whats a good weapon to bring along with assail?

was thinking maybe something that deals with carapace

[near wyvern]

Any, depends on your build

[burnt tapir]

I use assail to make up for short ranged weapons

ie Trauma and Purg

Covers their weakness

I don't think I'd run assail with Voidstrike. Seems redundant

[noble trellis]

I also prefer purga with assail

[wanton sandal]

i run surge with assail, idk why

feels nice hto

[noble trellis]

only real weakness is dealing with snipers, and that was never my job anyway

[pastel hazel]

can't even fucking complete one mission with zealot because he's that useless like I NEED to be psyker so stuff gets done

[burnt tapir]

Zealot is doing fine though

[burnt tapir]

Why surge over VS? Void can oneshot crushers, hits many times the number of targets, and generates less peril

[noble trellis]

not a fan of the invis skill, but both blessing support and full crit have been pretty fun

[wanton sandal]

staggering, and i want to try it now that it actually does damage

[burnt tapir]

yea played some Auric T5s with a Zealot that had some backstab cooldown reduction and was constantly using the holy relic ult

was pretty neat

[fresh reef]

I tried

[burnt tapir]

Considering dropping Empowered Psionics for warp charges. I honestly never notice them

[marsh wharf]

Hey whats the Go-To psyker curio?

[wanton sandal]

yeah i run warp charges with assail. idk if it has any damage breakpoints but i definitely notice the reduced peril when spamming them

[autumn smelt]

I'm talking poxwalkers

[analog solstice]

i kinda feel like trying this too, has the community settled on what is best yet?

[fresh reef]

having 3 walls instead of 2 is pretty nice as well

[wanton sandal]

i hear people herald ep as the best ever keystone for psyker, but idk.

i only run it on smite and bb

smite because it's actually broken rn and just does NOT generate peril at all

[noble trellis]

I don't know what's optimal, but I like x2 toughness x1 wound
toughness regen, toughness, damage resist gunners

[wanton sandal]

and bb for damage

[burnt tapir]

Scrier’s Gaze: Triggers Scrier’s Gaze. When entering Scrier’s Gaze you gain +10% Damage and +20% Critical Chance. For every second in Scrier’s Gaze you gain +1% Damage up to a maximum of +30%. This effect lingers for 10s after leaving Scrier’s Gaze.
Does the crit chance linger too? Or just the damage?

[autumn smelt]

Just the damage

Actually now that I read it again I'm not sure

[low charm]

Soulblaze can crit, right?

[autumn smelt]

I'd assume it's just the damage cuz that's what you're building up

[autumn smelt]

No

[burnt tapir]

purg stacks 2 stacks of blaze on crit

the dot cannot crit

[young ridge]

my hand is an mlrs, i have a nuke stick in my pocket (hehe) and a sword fit for killing gods

its alright

[low charm]

Okay, thanks!

[low charm]

So I can crit with the charged attack on purg, right?

I'm trying to run a soulblaze build with Purg, and wanted to know if Perfect Timing would be a node to use

[burnt tapir]

yea, it'll do like 20ish damage instead of 10. But the important bit is it applies 2 stacks of blaze

[ornate hamlet]

That's just you brother. Zealot still does great. He's not the God of eliminating specials, elites and hordes. But he still almost can't die and has best in slot boss damage

[toxic crown]

ok, that was so funny. so 2 smite and a assail pysker. poor vet that dealt with us must have been laughing at the chaos we performed

[fresh reef]

they buffed purg's damage, bear in mind

[burnt tapir]

I tested in psykanium

it was either 20 something or 40 something

[autumn smelt]

That's a good node, but I'd take as one of the last nodes, and it would be the first I'd drop if I decided I wanted another node

[burnt tapir]

It's very negligible

[autumn smelt]

With that build specifically

[burnt tapir]

the dot stacking is lovely though

+% warp damage increases the dot damage afaik

And it should stack rapidly with purge honestly

[low charm]

Exactly my plan, it's going to be the very last node. But I was very sceptic with crits on the build, since I wasn't sure how it would work with Purg and Soulblaze, but it sounds great! Thanks! 😄

[burnt tapir]

Is transfer peril enough venting to bother with Scriers gaze on Voidstrike?

[lyric burrow]

what are the best evis perks? Debating between a handful

cara is tempting but its hard to pick when its one enemy

[olive ember]

Ask zealot chat

[lyric burrow]

oh whoops

thought i was in it for some reason

[digital pagoda]

Not enough

[olive ember]

Zealot chat got eviscerator copers nutting all over the place

[autumn smelt]

It will help, but scriers will still outscale it eventually, since it increases in peril cost over time, and quite fast too

[olive ember]

So probably the perfect place to ask

[lyric burrow]

hey its fun

hey guys what are the best evis perks

[pastel hazel]

I must apologize as I was full of rage at my teammates and a specific weapon zealot has, I changed it

[near shell]

Im glad to see yall freaks get the buffs yall deserve

[olive ember]

Savage sweep and

Shred
Rampage
Bloodletter

[lyric burrow]

hey thanks derpy

[olive ember]

[pastel hazel]

zap heretics palp style 🎷🐛

[autumn smelt]

It's honestly crazy to me
I thought psyker was already really good before, did people really think psyker was underpowered before this patch?

Like you could do this shit pre patch and people thought this class was underpowered??

[silent coral]

From what ive been seeing people react to assail much like the old shredder auto pisto, just kills everything and the rest of the team "dosnt get to have any fun"

[plucky flax]

Bloodletter on evis is really bad compared to chainsword/chainaxe.

[autumn smelt]

But assail isn't the only thing they have that's really good now

[plucky flax]

6 stacks vs 14/15.

[ivory heath]

idk if ppl thought it was underpowered just compared to the big dmg meta we were in, ppl were more into the vet who shined

[lyric burrow]

he was making a joke

[vapid hemlock]

Does Additional Crit chance from weapons also apply to the Psykers abilities?

[lyric burrow]

i am curious about bloodletter i remember it was bad pre patch tho

[copper torrent]

I felt we were very glass for little cannon.

[wanton sandal]

apparently if you hold the weapon with crit chance then switch to your ability

[vapid hemlock]

Oh hell yesss

[copper torrent]

Isn't this also happening with rending? I saw someone post that a revolver with rending was applying to assail. But i might have hallucinated it.

[wise pecan]

Question: does the empowered psionics guaranteed stack ability only trigger on Elite kills, or does it count specials too?

[autumn smelt]

Only elites

[plucky token]

Anyone have a good dedicated Support Psyker Build that focuses on Smite (Sith Lightning) and Bubble Shield? What weapons should I use? Whats stats should I focus on?

[autumn smelt]

I beg to differ

[wise pecan]

Mind the past tense, and the comment they were responding to

[velvet crescent]

so after a couple vet matches and watching a psyker elbow drop hordes with assail-how do you control the nail thingies? im gonna try assail psyker soon that shit sounds hilarious

[wise pecan]

I've heard that they track enemies and loosely follow the cursor

[burnt tapir]

The worst part about assail

[velvet crescent]

gotcha

[burnt tapir]

Is having to take mind in motion

[wanton sandal]

for now, run EP with smite with void or gun and you're pretty set

[velvet crescent]

after this midterm im going assail because it looks broken and beyond hilarious

i will use it as much as i damn please before the inevitable nerf

[wanton sandal]

EP is bugged and does not give peril when using smite

[lofty temple]

There's no way that works...

[plucky token]

ooo

[burnt tapir]

It might be "broken" on low difs, but it feels fine at 5 and 5 aurics

[wanton sandal]

it is VERY cheese rn

[burnt tapir]

It clears trash, but so does everything the psyker has

[fresh reef]

what

[velvet crescent]

dafuq

[autumn smelt]

True
The build I have in that video I actually changed from assail to BB so I could have wildfire and psykinetic aura since I never used assail anyway when I had voidstrike, and when I did I was using it as a discount bb

[plucky token]

Send this Reject back Throneside and have him do a Solo mission.

[burnt tapir]

yea I want assail for ranged stuff with my purg staff, but it means skipping every single soulblaze talent lol

[wild sable]

What does this have to do with psyker

[wanton sandal]

wildfire being stuck ont he left side of the tree sucks. using pyro psyker with assail would be busted

[left mirage]

been gone for awhile, did they hit antax v's attack speed?

seems a lot slower

[autumn smelt]

They did not

[wise pecan]

Brain burst synergizes pretty well with purgatus anyways. You have a flamethrower for horde clear and brain burst for carapace cracking/sniper management. I use that with bubble for ranged defense

[left mirage]

oh, probably just me then

[gleaming sparrow]

which staff did you use for this build?

[autumn smelt]

I'd assume purgatus

[wanton sandal]

reminder we kept this talent instead of cerebral lacerations for bb

😭

[autumn smelt]

No idea why they didn't have 3 nodes there with lacerations as an option

[wanton sandal]

it really is tragic

cerebral lacerations was the best team tool

[ivory heath]

not having it has def made bosses slower to kill

smite has something like it tho where while using smite i think team does 10% more dmg

im confused by the language of it tho cause it says enemies affected by smite take 10% more dmg, so does that mean that it only works if the enemy is stuned i.e. bosses arent affected by it?

[analog agate]

Blaze trauma

[empty onyx]

Hm, I need some differently spec'd gear, but I think I can make this Melee Scrier work.

[olive ember]

Yeah psyker boss damage is still probably it’s weakest point

Your best bet is like a vraks 3 gun psyker

[ivory heath]

didnt trauma get nerfed?

[wanton sandal]

used to be able to melt with bb and cerebral

[autumn smelt]

Why did you take 4% instead of 10% soulblaze

[autumn smelt]

It got buffed

[analog agate]

No, I’m not aware anything happened with trauma. Flurry got changed some

[wanton sandal]

psyker is still potent against bosses though if you take kinetic deflection and any warp sword

[ivory heath]

Increased close explosion power by around 50%.
Lower damage modifier vs Flak/Carapace armour.

patch notes

[autumn smelt]

He's the best bait as your team nukes them

[wanton sandal]

esp deimos or the one no one uses

[wanton sandal]

yeah

[ivory heath]

weaker against flak and carapace?

[wanton sandal]

basically mini-ogryn

[ivory heath]

and isnt explosion power just knockup?

[autumn smelt]

Tho youd be surprised how well dueling swords are doing in relation to kiting
I was soloing a chaos spawn bc the dodges went so far that I had time to stab, which are both faster than force swords and more damaging, so you're doing more and being safer when doing it

[orchid nest]

chainsword with bloodletter is pretty good against monstrosities

[ivory heath]

based on those notes it just kills slower and throws enemies more right?

and the bigger knockup is only on close targets

[analog agate]

That is Pygex’s build. I am an assail/void sl*t. Doing my blaze trauma when I get bored

[valid ridge]

Assail nerfs waiting room.

That trash makes missions so incredibly boring.

[ionic needle]

Just tried Pygex's blaze trauma build in auric damnation, was actually quite fun

[valid ridge]

I silently curse any psyker using assail

[ionic needle]

I just don't like using trauma though

My purgatus/scrier build worked well too!

[old flame]

Yeah the smite/surge combo is great, smote deletes hordes and the surge deletes gunners and elites really well and stuns them

I swear the surge is bugged though it doesn’t really stun muties

[valid ridge]

Muties can't be stopped by most things when they're charging afaik

[plucky flax]

My blaze trauma build.

[queen fog]

Thank god u said most I was about to say smite

[azure oar]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

[autumn smelt]

This is literally identical to mine lmao

[queen fog]

Takes like a second of lightning time but ya it staggers the chargers something fierce

[old flame]

Surge was able to stun muties before, but it was kinda iffy

[plucky flax]

[analog agate]

I’ll give this a try along with Pygex’s. I loved blaze t for the past month or two

[fallow falcon]

Disrupt Destiny sucks, I barely find any enemies getting marked, could barely get more than a few stacks at best all game

[autumn smelt]

It's not the most reliable, but it's still the ideal keystone for a voidstrike or gun build

[fallow falcon]

I was running a laspistol build lol

[burnt fjord]

Disrupt Destiny is great when it works, but when I need it the most it seems like either nothing is being marked or it's halfway across the map with zero LoS

[empty onyx]

MFW I one-shot a mutant with a saber to the face. :3

[olive ember]

eh I stopped using disrupt destiny and just use empowered pscionics with assail tbh

free toughness gain + better peril management

[autumn smelt]

With voidstrike I can get to 15 stacks if I make sure I'm hitting the targets when they show up, and I can one shot a crusher to the head with it

[olive ember]

since voidstrike crits one shot with our without disrupt destiny

[autumn smelt]

Though it has a higher chance to do so, and it also makes body shots and/or non critd more forgiving

[long wharf]

I like warp charges with Assail now

[left mirage]

its pretty fun

any saber enjoyers? wondering which one to try first since i never really used them levelling up psyk

[zinc phoenix]

It would be if it wasn’t buggy dogshit

[teal needle]

I have been enjoying the bonus flat 24% percent from warp charges, completely mindless to keep at full

Only downside is you lose it when you F

Although getting bonus combat abilities is okay too

Doesnt 1 shot crushers with that build though but i can live with having to shoot them twice. You have to shoot them twice if you don't crit anyway

[late crater]

So uh, think the unlimited smite is gonna get patched XD

[spiral lion]

i guess every psyker now is assail psyker... eh

[cold oasis]

you mean the duelling swords?

[left mirage]

yeah

[cold oasis]

Let me check the name

[low charm]

This may be a stupid question, but charged staff attacks, doesn't count as ranged, right?

[gaunt stone]

So quick question I have seen both sides. Not sure which to do since I have like maxed out health curios.

Is everyone on toughness curios now? With the exception of some zealot builds.

[autumn smelt]

Ik which sucks
But based on my experience playing with it, the pros still out weigh the cons/other options in regards to a voidstrike build

[sterile saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrone-biggums-smile-scratch-neck-high-gif-14686184

anyone got some plasteel?

[cold oasis]

2 thougness 1 wound

on any class tbh

[burnt fjord]

would rather have more toughness and not go down in the first place 🤷‍♀️

[gaunt stone]

I am seeing a mixed bag on this I bet someone will disagree with you.

[cold oasis]

maccabian

[cold oasis]

I honestly don't know how can people disagree with it

running 2 wounds it's just too risky

[left mirage]

so uh, mk 2, 4, 5 all good?

[cold oasis]

Oh sorry, Mk2

[left mirage]

ty

[cold oasis]

thought the base name was the different one

but honestly they're pretty much identical

[sterile saddle]

you all run toughness isntead of HP?

[cold oasis]

the MK2 simply has the best light attack chain for hordes

[gaunt stone]

I see just running no wounds, all toughness, I have seen people with all max health, I see people with mixes. Idk I just assume never get hit obviously is the solution.

[autumn smelt]

[arctic crane]

I dont get the point of bio lightning ?

[gaunt stone]

See it's happening... lol

[royal granite]

it is so easy to regain toughness

[arctic crane]

It seems like a really bad version of the lightning staff

[sterile saddle]

i'm just curious

[proud mantle]

does anyone have a link of the assail only build? seemed fun and funny

[arctic crane]

im not sure if im missing something it just seems awful

[left mirage]

saw one psyker stunlock an entire horde, seemed pretty sick

[arctic crane]

you can do that with the staff though

[teal needle]

It's for when you wanna turn brain off and let your teammates kill everything. Its shit without empower though

[arctic crane]

its essentially just swapping it to a blitz instead of weapon

[left mirage]

the surge staff? it stops chaining after like

3

[burnt fjord]

we have a lot of toughness regen, but not hp regen. better to have a bigger shield that can recharge over and over

[arctic crane]

and downgrading the damage

[gaunt stone]

2

[left mirage]

ye, short chains

[lilac tapir]

Hey guys, I'm late to the party so three questions:

1. Is Shredder AB build still a thing after the patch or are we using a different gun now and if so what is the new "default" gun build and what gun/perks/blessings are needed?
2. I saw some posts about infinite Smite build and this sounds like a fun thing to try before they patch it out, so can someone post me a link/screenshot of said build and what are the weapons/blessings/perks I should use with?
3. Are Illisi/Deimos still our go to melee weapons?

[noble trellis]

surge never chained remotely as much as smite does

[arctic crane]

I guess it just seems so mediocre

[left mirage]

its for priority stun / kill targets like elites / specs

while the biolightning is palpatine

you just fry hordes

[arctic crane]

It doesnt do any damage to hordes does it

the charged version didnt seem good

and the regular does 0 dmg

[sterile saddle]

i've taken to running deflector to mitigate when my toughness goes down

[left mirage]

still need to grab a better voidstrike to try out a biolightning setup

[sterile saddle]

if u take the peril mitigation on block it does wonders for survivability

[gaunt stone]

I'm just gonna start working on my toughness curios. Anyone got perk recommendations? I use 30% regen speed, 12% block, 4% ability.

[cold oasis]

they changed the staff in this patch, now it's just 2 targets total

[sterile saddle]

only downside is if u try to shield mid power swing, the weapon is locked by animation and it wont do it

[arctic crane]

thats so completely and utterly random

[cold oasis]

Nah, it's because otherwise it would be just Smite

[arctic crane]

they decided to just copy a weapon and nerf the actual weapon into uselessness?

[cold oasis]

Now it's just a great antiarmored weapon

[sterile saddle]

they gave it huge dmg buff and a lot more range

[arctic crane]

But its whole point was hordes

not sniping

[cold oasis]

Tbh, i prefer Gunner and Sniper resistance

[empty onyx]

> Other person goes down.
> Rush to help and get trappered as a result.
> End up the only one dying.
And lesson learned once more, just let people die when they go down out of position.

[gaunt stone]

You used the surge staff for hordes?....

[autumn smelt]

If you used the surge on hordes, you didn't know how to use it in the first place

[arctic crane]

yeah you just stunlock everything and spam it

and then play proper psyker

[gaunt stone]

Uhhh

[arctic crane]

i.e. stay on 100% peril

[left mirage]

purg / vs was what i used for hordes before i stopped playing

[royal granite]

surge staff was for stunlocking specials and elites

[sterile saddle]

i used it for carapace it just worked really well against armor

[arctic crane]

for 5 minutes straight

[gaunt stone]

The entire point of the surge was to control elites and specials.

[arctic crane]

yeah that too

[gaunt stone]

Now it just kills them.

[arctic crane]

but it was too fun

[autumn smelt]

Surge was a specialist stunner and anti armor

[arctic crane]

i just used it on everything

[gaunt stone]

It's better imo

[arctic crane]

and never swapped to any other weapon

[royal granite]

it wasn't good on hordes, didn't chain enough

[autumn smelt]

You were wasting everyone's time by stunning a horde instead of just killing it with your melee

[meager stag]

what skill points do you take for assail build?

[left mirage]

i actually got kinda annoyed at how surge used to stun multiple targets since id usually just want it to pop the spec

[gaunt stone]

Surge was never for horde control

[cold oasis]

Warp Charges imho

[arctic crane]

it worked fine on hordes tho

[cold oasis]

And just always pick sheidld

[autumn smelt]

No, it didn't
It was your team that was doing that for you

[sterile saddle]

makes it hard to see them too cause it chars their skin, can't tell if they are dead until they start moving

[gaunt stone]

It's extremely inefficient for hordes.

[autumn smelt]

It did 10% its damage profile for unarmored and infested

[left mirage]

true

[arctic crane]

no you just spam it and then do mini quells to avoid blowing up

[left mirage]

i just hit things until i stop seeing hitmarkers

[autumn smelt]

But you could just
Kill them
And not need to cc

[gaunt stone]

I guess we just let it be lol.

[arctic crane]

But i wouldnt ZAP them

[left mirage]

can smite crit

[arctic crane]

And it felt the most psyker playstyle

imagine using a gun as a psyker

or not exploding every game

[zinc phoenix]

What’s the point of being Palpatine if you have to do everything yourself like a beta no zap Vader

[left mirage]

might use the crit toughness and +warp on crit

if biolightning can crit

[gaunt stone]

We were talking about pre-palpatine. Man said he ran around ungabunga zapping hordes.

[royal granite]

assail is cool but i really wish it wasn't crystals

[zinc phoenix]

Even then UNLIMITED POWER

[royal granite]

i mean the crystals are fine, but TK throwing knives has been a thing in the setting forever

[burnt fjord]

can smite crit?

[ivory heath]

cc is great in more challenging content lower than that tho its not a huge deal

[zinc phoenix]

0 * crit = 0

[ivory heath]

i think? im a liar

[green turtle]

what weapons did you use for this?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s like asking “if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it does it still make a sound” when you know damn well the answer is “who gives a shit” 😂

[arctic crane]

What is base crit chance

[zinc phoenix]

Idk the malice teams I’ve seen usually need someone to hold the monsters still or they’ll commit suicide

[burnt fjord]

because if it triggers crit perks and gives you toughness etc...

[zinc phoenix]

Why do you need toughness when you’re the everjiggler?

What is hitting you?

🤔

[ivory heath]

i mean thats fair, theres a lot of new folks and sometimes i forget the game has a big learning curve so they def might need it at those lvls too

[zinc phoenix]

Massive learning curve known as “left click to attack, right click to block” 🤯

[burnt fjord]

whats your deal bro

[zinc phoenix]

Bro… why do you need toughness if nothing can hit you?

[left mirage]

cant sadly

[ivory heath]

naaaah dont act like you werent trash too when you started cause eeeveryone was strugglin

[left mirage]

no yellow numbers

[burnt fjord]

because 1) you can still get hit 2) you could use it to refill your toughness quickly 3) it's not just toughness you get from crits

[burnt fjord]

thank you 😦

[left mirage]

zapped some dudes in the meat grinder

big sad

[zinc phoenix]

Use shriek with toughness on quell, exchange peril for toughness

[burnt fjord]

thanks i was just asking about smite tho

[zinc phoenix]

Smite generates loads of peril

It’s actually quite handy

Well unless you use the empowered smite bug and get TRULY UNLIMITED POWER

[teal needle]

Smite without empower is pretty terrible imo

[regal jasper]

My luck just doesn’t exist

I aint even getting 500s any more

[arctic crane]

When should you aim your telekine knives vs just throwing them

They dont seem to auto aim at long range so i assume then ?

do they do any more dmg when aimed

[autumn smelt]

I think the reason I don't like smite is because it is PURELY cc, surge at least was a flak/carapace melter, so you could dispose of mauler and crusher groups with ease, either by yourself or by damaging and stunning them while your team does the rest of the damage
It also doesn't help that you're nearly stationary with smite, and also consuming a ridiculous amount of peril considering it's effect,

[left mirage]

im a bit confused, smite seems to generate no peril while emped?

was hoping to use it with soulblaze shriek to spread soulfire and cc lightning

but i dont generate any peril

[snow coral]

that's a feature, not a bug

[empty onyx]

Hm. I can't decide what's more satisfying, Thunderhammering a charging mutant or facestabbing him with a Duel Sword.

[left mirage]

huh, didnt know

emp smite doesnt mention -peril gen

[empty onyx]

Is it? Because it doesn't say so in the tooltip.

[noble trellis]

I liked this for smite support
pop bubble, sit in corner and spam with lightning/purga
give everyone some cdr and toughness

[snow coral]

sorry, guess i should have added the /s. We're pretty sure it's bugged, it's been talked about a lot here.

[cold oasis]

It's not even written anywhere there's any Peril Reduction

[upper lark]

Whats a good build tree for High DPS

[cold oasis]

(like for Brain Burst)

It's probably just added onto it when they were testing it and forgot to remove it

since it's not "a cast"

Just slap Assail

and random shit

[white oar]

assail is so op lol

part of me doesnt want them to change it, another part of me thinks they should

I shouldnt be able to kill 8 gunners in seconds

[upper lark]

Is it more OP then brain burst and stronger then brain burst ?

[fair kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/for-now-alec-baldwin-jack-donaghy-30rock-for-the-moment-gif-20345870

[cold oasis]

Oh they absolutely need to nerfed

but it's just so fun

[white oar]

yes

[cold oasis]

i mean, it's an AOE brain burst

[white oar]

switching from brain burst to assail was actually night and day

[cold oasis]

3 daggers kill pretty much any non flak elite

and each dagger hits 3+ targets

[upper lark]

Awesome gonna respec and give it a try

[noble trellis]

I don't know what's optimal, but this is what I've been running and it's been pretty clean on dam

[left mirage]

goddamn the duelling swords feel crispy

mmm

[upper lark]

Thanks gonna try this out

[cold oasis]

that's what i'm using

please for the love of god just use barrier

[left mirage]

does the CDR aura affect assail regen

ive been using it

but if it doesnt i might swap to the other two

[cold oasis]

tbh i prefer damage

[left mirage]

i also just run double barrier, idk

[cold oasis]

you have infinite of them anyway

[left mirage]

damage is worth if it hits breakpoints

[cold oasis]

eh, it's for the party anyway

[left mirage]

warp siphon + barrier spam + assail is kinda

[willow escarp]

yeah I can’t tell what the design intent or use case of assail is supposed to be

[left mirage]

busted very fun™

[cold oasis]

Assail is fun, it's just a tad overtuned on damage

[left mirage]

ngl the bubble barrier seems kinda

overkill for toughness regen

double barrier stunning is kinda wild though

[steep frost]

Nothing is overkill when playing with randoms

[cold oasis]

bubble is needed

plus honestly it bugs out like 90% of the time

and you have like 3-4+ charges of it

fuck knows why

[left mirage]

warp charges + bubble goes hard

[near wyvern]

Nexus Spirit Trauma and then Unstable Power Deflector Deimos mainly for dispatching mutants

[autumn smelt]

It's damage isn't what's good, it's the uptime

Yes obv it's damage is good, but if you reduce its damage but keep the same uptime, you'd be wondering why you aren't just using your staff as you use it

[near wyvern]

Yeah I prefer the double stun walls. The bubble is often just causing the team to camp and not stay mobile. It also blocks vision a bit and if you need a shield on your ass you are having bigger problems in the game.

The stun shield is perfect for stopping that mutant, dog, flamer, bomber, netter from molesting a team member of quickly covering a flank. Because it's not a full cover people also are happy to move on and leave it behind if the situation calls for cause it's not a cozy looking cottage in the middle of a forest fire.

[wanton sandal]

you effectively get like 15 or so lobotomy icepicks on full charge

[arctic crane]

What secondary should you use with Assail

[wanton sandal]

and they recharge in a second or two

[left mirage]

surge

[wanton sandal]

anything is good

[left mirage]

or vs

[wanton sandal]

i use surge

[left mirage]

or purg

idk

[cold oasis]

The problem is that if the uptime wasn't that good, then it would just feel like a worse BB.

[wanton sandal]

ideally surge for single target damage

[cold oasis]

Honestly it's a weird situation

[left mirage]

if you want more horde clear and save rock throws for specs then purg / trauma

if you like juggling stuff surge + assail is great

if you want assail close range then VS long range

[late yew]

@near wyvern what you think of smite

I love it, when you get it infinite with empowered psionicvs

Just lock literally whole hoard and a dozen specialists and ragers forever

Kinda more fun to me than assail

While assail is just BB, but better against everything except boss and carapace

[wanton sandal]

reduce peril on smite and fix its EP and it'd be balanced

but rn its busted

[shut matrix]

What's wrong with its emp?

[bold flint]

Costs no peril

[steep frost]

So many explosive psykers...

[wanton sandal]

yeah if you get an EP charge it costs ZERO peril

[late yew]

I think it will be uselss then

[wanton sandal]

infinite uptime

[shut matrix]

Yeah, not having that vent has caught me a few times already. I push the 100% a lot and ooop

[late yew]

like then it would not bring anything good

[wanton sandal]

wym

[late yew]

Just take assail and kill things

[wanton sandal]

dude it staggers like 20 at a time

[glossy hazel]

What blessings for new surge?

[late yew]

and assail kills 20 at a time

[wanton sandal]

assail has a downtime

smite does not with ep

[bold flint]

and is stopped by 1 bulwark

[left mirage]

ngl

its kinda shit

it takes forever to pop regular goons on haz5

i think id rather take assail or bb

[ionic needle]

Smite is terrible, why are people even arguing this?

[left mirage]

like remove the unlimited cc sure, but give it something to work with

[wanton sandal]

actual damage on the charge would be nice

but i still like it

[late yew]

because it is actually good when it is infinite

and it is ifninite with empowered psionics

[crystal hollow]

I'm only using smite rn for the cc in o shit situations on auric maelstrom, but if they fix the no peril bug I think it'll be pretty useless

[late yew]

i.e. it does not grow peril

[bold flint]

Its tooltip says high damage but it doesnt exist

[late yew]

So you can hold forever infinite amount of enemies in stun

[ionic needle]

You know what else CCs enemies forever?

Killing them with assail

[late yew]

counterpoint

[crystal hollow]

I mean, goodluck killing with assail against a horde of crushers and maulers

[late yew]

No funny explosions

[bold flint]

I figure its missing an end of channel high damage hit

Just like how old surge was

Currently you just let go and nothing happens

[cyan echo]

Against them you pop out the void

[ionic needle]

Fair, I change my mind, smite is the best blitz

[late yew]

Actually no, it s gives them good push

[steep frost]

does the damage of assail change when you aim it?

[ionic needle]

That's what you have your two other weapons for that you can use while not channeling smite

[bold flint]

Na, but it targets heads better and has longer range

[late yew]

Assail shards fly to enemy you are looking at

So if you are not looking, they don't damage at all

And you can hit up to 3 enemies with 1 shard

[spice veldt]

RMB has the same damage as the lmb

[ionic needle]

Rmb is good for sniping stuff

[autumn smelt]

I disagree
You can hold on to 10 at a time, and they can wipe multiple elites easily
But they're recharging consumables, unlike bb which is always available, and increasing that time to 2-3 seconds per shard wouldn't kill its use, it would just make them be supplementary to your build instead of your only source of killing

[spice veldt]

it's the damage + ridiculous ease of use that it has

[glossy hazel]

Smite comes in handy when there are a million specials going for your chocolate starfish

[spice veldt]

it doesn't have the problem with guns where there's a lot of leeway for user error

[crystal hollow]

yeah I think for anything other than the auric modifier of mostly scab melee + specialist enemies (i.e. lots of crushers and maulers), I'd just use my other weapons but I feel that modifier overwhelms teams a lot without solid cc

[autumn smelt]

Exactly my point, read my full argument

[steep frost]

My bad lmao

[urban dove]

I think they should remove the ammo for Assail or remove the peril cost

[autumn smelt]

Their potency during their use is fine, it's just that potency needs to be more spread out through the mission instead of at every engagement

[urban dove]

both at once is bs

[spice veldt]

both is great

if they removed the ammo, peril/speed would be the only way to balance it

and I would prefer that it retains its quickswap property

so peril would be the only way to balance it

and that would interfere with the usage of your warp weapons

[urban dove]

I would rather it have ammo, not peril so i can blow my load then swap to my staff

with how it is now i blow all the daggers then have to swap and qwell

before i can start blasting again

Just doesnt feel good

[spice veldt]

i'd keep the peril cost for a bit of more management

[steep frost]

maybe they should nerf the ammo regen but then reduce the peril use a little

[teal needle]

I'd be fine if they made assail cleave a bit less. That way it stops proccing empower on itself. Or just lower the chance for empower to proc on non elites. Make it good at either hordes or shooters and specials but not both

[urban dove]

huh^

[steep frost]

It's whole point is the cleave isn't it

[urban dove]

i want it to cleave more not less

[spice veldt]

yeah, less cleave, slower ammo regen, and less ammo

[urban dove]

lol

[bold flint]

lower mag size

[urban dove]

Alright now lets not butcher them

[steep frost]

without cleave it is just BB with ammo

[spice veldt]

they'd still be good

[lyric burrow]

Yeah that would balance it more

With ep and its damage it would be fine

Even with those nerfs

[urban dove]

im a fan of id rather buff the shit that is bad not nerf what is bearly good

[lyric burrow]

Its broken tho

[spice veldt]

what do you mean "barely good"

assail is absolutely borked

[teal needle]

It also clowns on shooters and spcials hard. Its good at everything but carapace and boss rn

[lyric burrow]

It outclasses the other option by miles

The only thing better is like void

[hybrid solstice]

what do i want on the mkIV duelling sword again?

[lyric burrow]

And void is also broken

[urban dove]

Its a hoard control option but the moment you are faced with a group of big tanky boys you would much rather have BB or Surge for CC

its not broken by any means

[teal needle]

I don't think assail is as wildly op as a lot are saying but assail with empower specifically is a bit much

[lyric burrow]

That means it has a single weakness

[teal needle]

Assail is great in mixed hordes, the only thing it doesnt do is crushers

[lyric burrow]

For absurd upside

And said weakness is covered easily

[spice veldt]

the pre-patch autopistol also had this weakness

[urban dove]

theres only 2 major types of situations darktide gets into. Massive hoard or Big Tanky single targets

[spice veldt]

would you consider the pre-patch autopistol a fine weapon?

[spice veldt]

what about specials

[teal needle]

And shooters

Those are supposed to all be different situations with different solutions

[urban dove]

specials are in the hoard no?

[spice veldt]

specials spawn on their own timer

[urban dove]

oh dogs and poxys ?

mutys ?

[teal needle]

Pretty definitionally no specials are not horde lol

[spice veldt]

mutants, dogs, flamers, bombers, snipers, something else i forgot

[lyric burrow]

Trapper

[true lake]

any suggestions for a brain rupture build?

[urban dove]

I mean i see that but i dont see them as needing a separete solution

Specials are just delt with like any other normal zombo

[teal needle]

Empower, otherwise go hard on soul blaze

[left mirage]

yeah i cant fuckin make smite work lmao

even empowered

[lyric burrow]

Its pretty mid

[left mirage]

either that or im just unlucky

[urban dove]

Smite isnt ment to be something crazy its a CC bot

[true lake]

i mean smite is not really damage

[left mirage]

everytime we pull up beside a demonhost a horde and 3+ specs pop up

and sometimes a chaos spawn too

[urban dove]

but the issue with it now is why CC when you could just kill

[teal needle]

Smite is for running w friends. If you can't count on your team to keep the 180 degrees you're not locking down from overwhelming you smite is a detriment

[left mirage]

so we usually wind up getting into a fiesta

ye

[golden frigate]

smite is a trap pulling you away from the only thing that matters

blaze void

[left mirage]

gonna go back to funny rock

[lyric burrow]

It ccs which is great except i can take anything else and kill it

Esp assail or void

[urban dove]

Which is why Smite should get buffed not assail nerfed

[spice veldt]

both

[lyric burrow]

Both

[spice veldt]

they're not exclusive options

[urban dove]

too far

[left mirage]

id probably just tweak assail's damage down a tad

and smite needs something

[spice veldt]

i'd keep its damage

[lyric burrow]

Something can be op and need a nerf

[left mirage]

idk what it needs but it needs something

[spice veldt]

I'd lower its cleave, regen, and less max ammo

[lyric burrow]

Not everything needs to be op

[spice veldt]

no point in having an ammo limit if you don't even run out for 90% of engagements

[left mirage]

idk, i think the regen is fine

ammo cap being at around 6-7 would be better

[chilly moon]

Smite just needs a slight damage increase

[lyric burrow]

Game would be free if everything was assail level

[left mirage]

since once you run dry you swap to staff usually

[urban dove]

in games that are ONLY PVE nerfing is never a good option bro. id rather have everything OP then everything sucks and the game is a chore

lol

[spice veldt]

i think the regen gives it too much sustain

[teal needle]

It's empower. Tweakung empower just a bit will take away the infinite ammo

[lyric burrow]

Nerfing is absolutely a good option

[spice veldt]

except this is encroaching "my team doesn't get to play" territory

[urban dove]

Not if the team is just as good ?

[chilly moon]

Depends on the type of mission ur playing

[left mirage]

kinda sad tbh

[lyric burrow]

Its not good for the game if assail/void solos the game

[spice veldt]

so they have to be fairly skilled to even compete with assail?

[chilly moon]

I play Auric-Damnation with Hi-Int' and it sometimes falter unless im using something to supplement it.

With Assail

Carapace fucks me over ez pz

[teal needle]

"Never nerf anything" is without qualification one of the worst takes in gaming

[chilly moon]

And if I get too free with it, I down myself

[urban dove]

I havent seen a single match where im the overwhelming force and dominating the match so the ogryn cant play ?

[spice veldt]

tfw fresh lvl 30 assail psykers compete with and beat lvl 500s+

[left mirage]

assail is strong because it minimizes team intervention, while smite is really weak because you rely on your team

[lyric burrow]

Exactly

[teal needle]

Pve pvp single player doesn't matter. Just a terrible opinion

[lyric burrow]

Its not like its hard to use assail

[spice veldt]

Assail is the new autopistol to me

but better

[lyric burrow]

Point at everything that needs to be dead

Win

No effort

[meager stag]

What type of gear do you use for assail build ?

[spice veldt]

aim assist weapon with good damage + cleave + sustain + synergy with your feats

[lyric burrow]

Not to mention it sustains itself

[urban dove]

Then play your own build without Assail ?

[feral juniper]

I'm really liking psyker I wish I had started off with it instead of veteran

[chilly moon]

U all put way to much emphasis on True Level lol

[spice veldt]

and what about my teammates who will bring it?

[chilly moon]

+500's can suck ass at times

[lyric burrow]

That doesnt make it less op?

[urban dove]

dont shit on my fun cuz im enjoying myself ?

[lyric burrow]

How are we shitting on your fun

[abstract kestrel]

Dome is very funny

[lyric burrow]

We are saying its too strong

[spice veldt]

yeah, and assail is shitting on the fun of other players

[lyric burrow]

Not that you should feel bad for using it

[urban dove]

Its not though ?

[spice veldt]

it straight up is encroaching the "team doesn't get to play" territory with minimal skill and mechanical engagement

either way, some of its attributes has to be tuned down

[abstract kestrel]

the toothpicks?

[spice veldt]

its aim assist, damage, ammo regen, max ammo, etc.,; some combination of them needs to be tuned

[lyric burrow]

Assail can literally clear the horde and take care of the specials in the same action

[abstract kestrel]

of all the things you have an issue with it's the toothpicks

[urban dove]

Ive done several max level missions where without a doubt if i didnt have a team we would have died, theres no way its broken ?

[open crag]

I actually agree with this, an assail psyker on malice makes my zealot bored

[abstract kestrel]

malice

[urban dove]

Mal is t3 ?

right ?

[teal needle]

If they never nerf anything then the game gets braindead and gameplay stops being a play motivator.

[chilly moon]

I find most of the lower difficulties boring now

[abstract kestrel]

yep

[chilly moon]

Far too easy with the update

[urban dove]

lol

[spice veldt]

i'm consistently getting games where my team's combined damage is matching mines

[urban dove]

compairing anything to t3 is boring

lol

[teal needle]

If play is too easy the only other motivator is grind

[spice veldt]

and it's not like i'm doing anything skillful with the shards

[teal needle]

I don't to play another mmo

[lyric burrow]

New psykers can run void assail and carry

That is insane

[urban dove]

Make harder missions then dont nerf something that i prommise you isnt op

and buff smite

cuz its do do

[lyric burrow]

Thats how you just get power creep

[spice veldt]

it's easier to tune down the outliers than to buff everything

[plucky token]

One of the reasons I run Smite instead of Assail is because I think Assail is just too overtuned right now.

[chilly moon]

Honestly I started playing Auric as normal damnation got boring asf

[teal needle]

Ahhhh yes, blanket buff the enemy. Aka nerfing but with 100x the dev hours

[chilly moon]

And I think they balance stuff off that level of play

[plucky token]

Smite needs a dmg buff

[spice veldt]

and if you buff enemies, that has essentially the same effect of nerfing weapons

[hollow spindle]

You guys are aware you can two shot crushers with a non-force sword right?

[chilly moon]

As palying Auric-Damnation with Assail isn't always a carry - you can easily get fucked over in those games.

[hollow spindle]

Stop whining lmao

[spice veldt]

you're doing the same thing but in a harder fashion

[urban dove]

lmao

[young ridge]

we dont use math here

[spice veldt]

it's not always a carry, but its strengths are too good for now

[spice veldt]

die

[chilly moon]

I suppose on lower levels yeah - what level do U usually play

[spice veldt]

damnation

[chilly moon]

Auric or just Normal

[young ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hildebrand-dies-gif-21087208

[open crag]

Anyone mathed out if the 12.5% buff or guaranteed charge on elite kill is better with the middle keystone?

[spice veldt]

i'm doing hishock for now

[chilly moon]

Yeah - thats what I play as well normally.

[urban dove]

Garenteed one

[abstract kestrel]

you can get funny chains

and leaving things to chance isn't usually the best

[open crag]

Got it, ty

[spice veldt]

i don't like the mutant/dog/burster waves and psyker currently can't carry monstrosity maelstroms (except with the vraks, but my aim is too shit to use it), so I don't play those

[chilly moon]

Assail with the Right Side Warp Siphon + Toughness Regen is a pretty good buiild for damnation. I commonly use the Shield as well (Wall Shields not Bubble) there.

[lyric burrow]

i didnt realize you didnt like that modifier lol

[urban dove]

I dont know man im just saying i hope they dont nerf Assail cuz of people crying. it Feels just bearly useable right now. Make the game harder or buff other stuff.

[chilly moon]

And im p useless against the Ogryns and Monsters with my build - rely on others to actually deal damage to the bosses.

[spice veldt]

it's fairly boring; hound waves is fine now tho cuz assail

[noble trellis]

I think the guaranteed on elite is much better after trying both for a few runs

[plucky token]

What are the 'muh meta' builds right now I wonder

[teal needle]

Well, "assail is barely usable" is officially the take of the day

[chilly moon]

meta is whatever I find fun to use 😎

[spice veldt]

barely useable to you, but to me, it feels like the pre-patch autopistol

[lyric burrow]

yeah idk how assail is barely usable

you dont even have to stop using it for 90% of the game

[chilly moon]

Once carried a game with Smite thanks to CC it has.

[spice veldt]

except that assail is better than autopistol because of the feat synergies it has with our class

and instead of being just a hipfire weapon, it's an aim assist hipfire weapon

[plucky token]

The reason I use Smite even though people yell at me that im not using Assail. I WANT TO SHOOT LIGHTNING FROM MY HANDS IDGAF

[lyric burrow]

it does look cool

[abstract kestrel]

brainburst is life

[chilly moon]

Smite is useful with Psionics imo

[cold oasis]

Smite is honestly great

[chilly moon]

Infinite Lighting against a Crowd

[cold oasis]

You do need a good group for it

[urban dove]

good choice

[cold oasis]

that's the difference imho

[acoustic spade]

I find it great when people shout at me for not using Assail

[cold oasis]

Assail is just Smite that deals damage

[upper lark]

Just makes more sense to buff the others to make all 3 fall inline tho?

[chilly moon]

my favorite part about Smite is when it drops my frames after I tag 30+ enemies

[spice veldt]

we can buff the others and nerf assail at the same time

[lyric burrow]

no, then everything is just op

[cold oasis]

Smite has a SERIOUS lag problem when you're melee

[lyric burrow]

if its assail level

[urban dove]

they wont listen

[acoustic spade]

I'm just running the 6x Warp Charges with Smite + Venting Shriek

[teal needle]

On one hand, old auto killed even faster except v hordes. Otoh, old auto didn't restore full toughness ever time you shot it lol

[spice veldt]

my point is that sticking to only buffs is just making things overly hard for yourself

[chilly moon]

honestly I love Shriek for the get out of jail card

[urban dove]

this doesnt balance the scale it makes it so smite would be OP not assail

[chilly moon]

But having those Wall Shields r too useufl

[lyric burrow]

also dont need vet to get ammo back now

[chilly moon]

Gunners/Specials be damned - I have 3 shields

[spice veldt]

if you buff smite too hard or nerf assail too hard, sure

[lyric burrow]

you can buff smite without making it op

[acoustic spade]

Gunners can get Void Striked

[lyric burrow]

they dont need to give it buffs like void got

[urban dove]

or just bring smite in line with Assail

[viscid matrix]

smites job is not damage, its job is to cc stuff

[chilly moon]

instead of 1 Damage, it does 2 now - The Smite Buff

[lyric burrow]

now were talking

[urban dove]

I think Assail and BB are in line with each other

[spice veldt]

assail is not what I want the baseline to be

[plucky perch]

smite needs a buff :3

[urban dove]

BB is in line with assail

[plucky token]

Smite Buff = Instead of taking 10 seconds to blow up horde mobs, it takes 7 seconds.

[lyric burrow]

if smite becomes as good as assail you could literally sleep walk through the game

[chilly moon]

I think the original purpose of Smite was CC.

As imagine having a ability that does Assail damage on Smite which doesn't even need aim since it can auto-jump to 30+ enemies

[lyric burrow]

with nearly any build

[teal needle]

Buff the other classes > nobody plays under am5 because it's a w key simulator > need to put in new game modes to not make the game a snooze fest > everyone plays that > million years of dev time when can just nerf the outliers instead

[lyric burrow]

CC is great but you can just kill it instead in this game

[chilly moon]

I see crowd
I hold M2
Crowd dies

Smite moment

[plucky token]

Yeah Smite is the CC Option, but I still wish it would blow people up faster.

[viscid matrix]

thats not its job

[teal needle]

This is a fundamental disagreement though. I don't want a braindead game, which is what you get with never nerfing even when you make mistakes on release

[acoustic spade]

Give Smite a way to synergize properly with Wildfire

[chilly moon]

Most use i had out of it was when It was just Me and another Zealot - And I had 3 Psionics. So I had to CC Everything during like Hi-Int Shocktroop with like 2 Hordes on our ass.

And I could just forever CC while he killed shiet

[lyric burrow]

its nice to play with one i will admit

[chilly moon]

Otherwise when I use smite its like

"I should just use Assail"

As I see a crowd - I fling my 15+ Shards - they all die

[acoustic spade]

I just dont like how Assail feels

[urban dove]

I dont want an ability that is barely a better option to be nerfed cuz you think its too good. The ability already has an Ammo and A peril cost which is stupid

[plucky token]

Electrocute Heretics until they burst into flames? I like your funny words magic man.

[chilly moon]

I didn't either until I learned that it tracks to enemies based on ur crosshair.

[lyric burrow]

how good do you want it to be bro

like

[chilly moon]

So U gotta hover over an enemy for it to track back to them

[lyric burrow]

it kills everything and gives you ammo back

[acoustic spade]

it feels bad to use up all your Magic missiles with the charge system it has

Psyker is already gated with Peril, why must there be a charge system as well

[chilly moon]

Is why I use Surge Staff/Dueling Sword

[urban dove]

this

[lyric burrow]

do you want to never have to stop firing it for the entire match

[chilly moon]

With Warp Siphon

[spice veldt]

it runs out if you spam it, but you also have other weapons that you can use

[chilly moon]

By the time I'm done swinging my sword twice i have 6-7 Assails left

And I can fling that - then go back to killing

[acoustic spade]

I'm just telling you why I dont like to use Assail

[viscid matrix]

grab empower, you only run out when you throw way to many without actually hitting max targets per shard

[acoustic spade]

Not telling you it should be changed

[plucky token]

Yeah I agree @chilly moon . I want to use Smite because I like using CC and helping my team, but Assail does so much damage that you can literally DELETE Hordes. The greatest CC is Death.

[chilly moon]

The one thing that needs fixing with Psyker is the Wall Shield - And not on anything stats, but how u deploy it.

It needs to deploy like Sister of the Thorne's wall does in VT2.

[limpid cypress]

My main use for Smite is just the stun it provides. I play with a group of four people so I’m very easily able to call out priority targets I have stuck in place

[chilly moon]

I press F, it appears.

[spice veldt]

you did pose the (rhetorical) question of "why is there a charge system as well"

[chilly moon]

But in DT it feels lethargic to use

[wicked badge]

Hello, i am New to the game and i play psyker, any advices i should know ?

[chilly moon]

its not snappy

[chilly moon]

Use Assail and Warp Siphon

[plucky token]

Don't explode yourself.

[lyric burrow]

explode yourself

[wicked badge]

I did that once

[chilly moon]

I should just link my build and see how fact ppl tear into it

[lyric burrow]

its how you get more powerful

[urban dove]

Please dont explode yourself

[lyric burrow]

(dont do this)

[chilly moon]

Explode urself

Its silly

[wicked badge]

I did that once, i don't think i'll do it again

[chilly moon]

Its quirky

Its zanny

[acoustic spade]

True, but still. I enjoy the 6x Warp Charge+Venting Shriek w/ Creeping Flames gameplay, and Smite fits that better than Assail

[abstract kestrel]

your should explode now!

[lyric burrow]

you do get a penance if you kill an elite though

[urban dove]

I played a t5 with only 4 Pyskers and i was the only one who didnt Explode

[viscid matrix]

try to ride the 90-100% peril as best you can, there are nodes on the tree that give you buffs with higher peril, tapping quell once is enough to drop 15% down instantly

[urban dove]

lol

[plucky token]

Low Tier Deathgaurd: "You should EXPLODE yourself...NOW!"

[chilly moon]

I love edging my perils, Slaanesh talks to me and I feel tingly inside

[viscid matrix]

if you have venting shriek, save it for when you need to dump peril to prevent exploding

[viscid matrix]

this is da way

[wicked badge]

I mean ive Seen other use it, it does look broken, and in one lvl i Can unlock assail.

[chilly moon]

All my homies use this side of the tree

[wicked badge]

Im literaly level 3 mate i don't have these nodes yet

[chilly moon]

Soley as I can make an S

[limpid cypress]

Step one: Equip Assail
Step two: Profit

[acoustic spade]

I'm more of an E person

[viscid matrix]

but now is the best time to practice it, cause you will be using them later 😄

[chilly moon]

TBH these perks up here

Are Goated

I basically never run out of toughness if I'm not being dumb

[spice veldt]

I recommend taking Perilous Combustion

[acoustic spade]

I would get that right one if I had enough points for it

[spice veldt]

for any build

[limpid cypress]

Love me some battle meditation to help with perils, too

[wicked badge]

I mean rn i have to use the base head explosion thing and it isn't too effective i mainly use a powersword.

[viscid matrix]

tbh i use the 2 on the right side plus the 3 middle more than anything else

empower has 15% toughness per assail cast

[spice veldt]

Perilous Combustion is easily one of the best nodes that you can take

[chilly moon]

shiet u right

[acoustic spade]

I just cant play without Kinetic Deflection anymore, makes clutch moments so good

[chilly moon]

I like Psionics but unless im sweating about my Peril

I die

[viscid matrix]

i always take it too 😄 but i love my 5 weak hits for guarenteed crit

[upper lark]

Brain burst ?

[chilly moon]

Me watching the Dreg Gunner Tank 4 Brain Bursts

[viscid matrix]

Brain Rupture is the upgraded version

[acoustic spade]

Meh, I played the whole of beta+after release with BB, I'd rather become Palpatine

[chilly moon]

(His brain was already soup to behin with)

[viscid matrix]

that doesnt sound right, unless you have none of the damage increase buffs active, but even still that sounds way lower than it should be

[vast sonnet]

Even then it shouldn't be a thing

[viscid matrix]

logging on to a new psyker, lets see what base BB is like

[acoustic spade]

I need a few more talent points

[wicked badge]

Smite looks cool tho

[viscid matrix]

its a very powerful cc tool, if you need to stop enemies from rushing you, use it to stunlock them

[upper lark]

Looks cool but no dmg

[vast sonnet]

I wish they would up the damage on it, and tune down assail

[wicked badge]

Yeah its sad

[vast sonnet]

It's amazing at keeping the 6 crushers at bay that are coming to hyuck the team up. But it does feel like you are throwing noodles at them

[viscid matrix]

thats not Smite's job, its job is cc
you have melee and ranged weapon for damage to cover that

[acoustic spade]

dont have enough talent points to get the Enfeeble node for Smite :<

[wicked badge]

Power Sword looks so cool tho

[left mirage]

alright, i was not aware that stacking bubble shields stacks the toughness regen

yeah this shit is broken LMAO

[upper lark]

What about taking out elites?

[left mirage]

bubble shield > double shield with how warp charges are currently

[chilly moon]

I was overexagerting

[wicked badge]

Just stab em

Ong

[vast sonnet]

The only thing it's good for is taking out trash, but even then everyone else will be killing those before you pop them

[wicked badge]

🗿

[vast sonnet]

Extra sad because it has a cool af effect when you overcharge and explode them

[viscid matrix]

default BB does 3/4 of their health in Damnation

[dawn orchid]

Anyone else not terribly impressed by the new surge staff?

[viscid matrix]

i like it, its a buff compared to what it was before

[wicked badge]

So huh, when do i get a cool staff ?

[honest frigate]

soon

[wicked badge]

Aight

[vast sonnet]

Extra charge speed and it actually kills things now. I don't see how that's not better than it was, so what's wrong with it?

[honest frigate]

some staves unlock later than others

just keep an eye out for them, theyre bound to appear eventually

[edgy finch]

haven't played on the new patch yet, just making builds for my characters. is void staff as ridiculously OP as it feels?

[chilly moon]

Literally me

[sterile saddle]

M04R PL4$733L!i11

[dawn orchid]

Didn’t say it wasn’t better at killing, just that I’m not impressed. I expected it to be a bit more uh, chain lightning-y. 2 target cap is a bit lame

[honest frigate]

its good but i still think purgatus is better

they buffed purgatus slightly btw

better damage

[chilly moon]

The Surge Staff is good for dealing with elites at times

[wicked badge]

Funny how i have no Idea of what ya'll are talking about

[chilly moon]

can generally 4 shot a Crusher

[honest frigate]

purgatus is a warp flamer staff

[sterile saddle]

sabaton fan?

[vast sonnet]

mmm no, I have smite for that. I like the way it is now.

[honest frigate]

surge staff is a electricity staff

[wicked badge]

Indeed.

[plucky flax]

Zealot chat got triggered cos I ran loner aura and did big pp damage in a fairly good time.

I am loner psyker so I gotta use loner aura on zealot. It's fax.

[sterile saddle]

loner aura?

[chilly moon]

Surge Staff make baddies go tingly and die

[wicked badge]

Yo they got drip tho

[dawn orchid]

Well that’s nice that you’re liking it at least. I feel it could do with somewhat more chaining (but clearly not as much as smite can)

[viscid matrix]

so there are 4 staves we have
Surge , its a lighting staff that shocks 2 targets, the first target takes max damage, the second takes half
Purgatus , its a flame thrower
Void, it shoots a explosive that has unlimited cleave and pierces everything
Trauma, it lets you drop circles that explodes like a grenade

[plucky flax]

It's aura that make you always in cohenrency even if you're solo.

[lament topaz]

https://youtu.be/ywaTX-nLm6Y POV: Smite bug

[left mirage]

is there a way to apply soulflame apart from talents

[sterile saddle]

o the zealot aura?

'always considered 2 in coherencey'

[viscid matrix]

its garbage if you stay with your team

[plucky flax]

Yeap I got flamed for running that. 💀

[wicked badge]

Does surge do actual damage ? Like a better smite ?

[chilly moon]

Ye, surge does better damage than smite

[dawn orchid]

Way better, but only 2 targets

Smite barely tickles things

[wicked badge]

Oh cool so i will eventualy trow lightning

[viscid matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1159516985412026452/image.png?ex=65314f58&is=651eda58&hm=0121672be9845fd9e5156d15e4cd0d8e132c41ee9c4a507726caec43ae786f8a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1159516612962037801/image.png?ex=65314eff&is=651ed9ff&hm=c97d6a3d30139fb24a84ddaffe03880bff88cc07c7319d5f0e717e64829f6ec0&

[left mirage]

surge is for medium to close range burst damage

its really good for dealing with bigger targets you dont wanna walk up to

[chilly moon]

Smite is from Slaanesh's realm obviously.

Purple/Blue/Pink
Ticklers the enemies

[viscid matrix]

Surge staff really really good for dealing with maulers, crushers, and any melee enemies that rush you

[left mirage]

i was thinking, if purg applies soulflame, you could use that + the flamespread talent to augment your smite

[sterile saddle]

can smite CC maulers and crushers?

[left mirage]

yes

[sterile saddle]

or does it just take longer?

[left mirage]

it ccs everything but bosses

[sterile saddle]

hummm

[left mirage]

kinda busted but team reliant

[wicked badge]

What the fuck is CC

[left mirage]

crowd control

[viscid matrix]

its much much faster than it used to be, faster charge and faster cast

[wicked badge]

Aight

[viscid matrix]

crowd control, stunning and staggering enemies

if you see the damage numbers above, you will see red damage, and blue stagger, more stagger means faster stagger on enemies that are harder to stagger

[wicked badge]

You Can see damage ?

[acoustic spade]

RMB smite feels like it stuns enemies faster than just LMB smite

[lyric burrow]

meatgrinder

[chilly moon]

mods

[lyric burrow]

or mods

[wicked badge]

Oh

[viscid matrix]

psykanium meatgrinder

it shows damage numbers

[chilly moon]

Tbh what U want for MOds

Is like

Enemy Healthbars

[wicked badge]

Im on xbox.

🗿

[chilly moon]

Im praying for ur survival

[lyric burrow]

meatgrinder would still work then

[viscid matrix]

psykanium meatgrinder

[wicked badge]

I'll just stab stuff till it dies no need for mods.

[left mirage]

why the fuck does purg roll warp nexus

it cant crit

[chilly moon]

True Way to play Darktide

[viscid matrix]

it can, crit applies double stack of soulblaze

[left mirage]

wut

damn, my m1's are just unlucky as fuck

[chilly moon]

Yeah thats cool and all

But I can run and gun my Purge staff

[viscid matrix]

run and gun purge staff, with nexus is really good 😄 swaping run and gun for flurry is only if you really really care about reducing the charge time of secondary

[upper lark]

Post a Assail build path tree

[viscid matrix]

this is what i use