psyker-class

[viral solstice]

and yeah 3 enemies roughly

[trim garnet]

we are so fucking back

[spice veldt]

close your eyes https://youtu.be/5YDMoqhOZqI?t=414

[warm meteor]

Yeah im watching it

[viral solstice]

thats not the knives doing that btw

thats wrack and ruin

its very balanced

[warm meteor]

Wrack and ruin?

[viral solstice]

4s of soulblaze in an area on elite kill

triggered by anything

now if there were to be a hgue pile of dreg gunners

and you kill 3 with knives

they all have 12 stacks of soulblaze on now

and that... that kills the dreg gunner

[warm meteor]

Knives lighting things on fire!

[harsh urchin]

how does the new surge staff feel

[warm meteor]

Sounds fun

[faint sigil]

I can only become so erect

[vast hare]

Noone know yet dis

only the youtubers who have that prebuild

[harsh urchin]

crab does

[vast hare]

it looks neat

[viral solstice]

i dont like the new surge but its ok u zap one guy quickly

[harsh urchin]

he's an influencer

[vast hare]

😮

[harsh urchin]

famous

[vast hare]

MR INFLUENCER MR INFLUENCER

I second Dis' question

XD

[viral solstice]

i haven't played the preview build but its the same as test build from like 6 weeks ago

so yeah

[harsh urchin]

is it still only good against armor/flak

or does it work on unyielding as well

[viral solstice]

neg its got pretty even adm

[warm meteor]

Its gonna be hard to pick between knives and biolightning

[vast hare]

As per the vid it is a single-target taser stick now

[viral solstice]

unyielding damage is baseline

[vast hare]

can it onetap and/or stun muties?

[viral solstice]

its 2-targets by default, but the upgrade nodes to bio lightning work on smite staff

[warm meteor]

It sorts feels with our blitz like you almost have a entire second ranged rather then a blitz

[viral solstice]

so its 3 targets with those nodes

[vast hare]

That's cool as shit

[viral solstice]

pretty sure its an accident

but

hey its fun

[harsh urchin]

code re-use

[vast hare]

Does it still stun muties like current surge/

[harsh urchin]

ez clap

[vast hare]

or does it only do damage now?

[viral solstice]

it does but only on full charge and at the end

its worht noting more things stun mutants now

duelling sword special... shovel special... tac axe special...

[vast hare]

Ah cool

[viral solstice]

on headshot

[vast hare]

oh all those stagger specials actually do something now? That's cool

[warm meteor]

So bio lightning is better for stuns? Surge better for damage?

[faint sigil]

What about staff special headshot? Does that stun muties?

[viral solstice]

yep thats the idea

[viral solstice]

ragers? get back to me in a month

[echo cosmos]

I am very excited to play in about 20 hours

[shadow quail]

I am going to be running all lightning

Lightning is going to be the god build

[vast hare]

Scrier's Gaze with Smighting for crowds and Surge for single targets

run a typical illisi just in case of too much overcrowding

[vast hare]

YES

I HAD THE SAME EXACT THOUGHT

Them knives is just Yondu's wet fucking dream

[lapis bay]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-yondu-shocked-shouts-gif-14735411

[full bane]

The knives look like so much fun

[shadow quail]

I prefer palpatine

[vast hare]

The videos

the noise they make

it's the most satisfying Ftftftftftftf

[viral solstice]

people are playing the most boring version of knives too

EP knives...

[vast hare]

There are multiple versions of the knives?

their subnodes are that impactful?

[viral solstice]

ep knives basically means opting out of the ammo and peril limitations the moment u see low tier elites

and u just spam them

but if u are destiny disrupted ur using them more for quickswap damage and to patch holes in ur weapons

[trim garnet]

how many EP knives do you get

does it cost one charge per or is it like

[full bane]

10

[trim garnet]

ok

thats really good actually wtf

[spice veldt]

EP knives are free

[viral solstice]

u get 10 normal knife charges

[trim garnet]

yeah i just meant like how many of them are boosted

[spice veldt]

zero charge consumed, and zero peril

[viral solstice]

when EP procs u get a stack of EP, and u can have 3 stacks. if u throw a knife while u have a stack it is consumed and u throw a 50% more damage knife that costs no peril or ammo

[trim garnet]

oh so it is one stack per knife

ok

still though 50% damage is kinda nuts

[viral solstice]

but knives hit multiple targets

[trim garnet]

how does the right click targeting work?

oh TRUE

[viral solstice]

homing missile

[trim garnet]

is that default or do you need the +1 pierce

[viral solstice]

left click is cursor follow

u always take pierce

[trim garnet]

true other one sucks

[viral solstice]

they aren't exclusive

if ur ep knives u dont need knife cd

[trim garnet]

if you lock onto a target does it pierce and come back to hit twice?

[viral solstice]

necessarily

[vast hare]

So it doesn't pierce by default but its so good you always take it if you take knives

[viral solstice]

u cant hit same target twice

[trim garnet]

ah ok

does the targeted mode have any kind of changes other than "focus this enemy"

lower firerate etc

[viral solstice]

the big issue with targeted mode is its slow from swap

[vast hare]

Watching it it looks like it throws one knife really fast at a guaranteed enemy. I didn't notice in the vids the knife actually piercing at all afterwards but it might still?

[viral solstice]

knife just throws and then chases whatever enemy you have moused over

and it will try and go backwards

so you can throw past bulwarks and then hit them from behind their shield

[vast hare]

thats sick af

[trim garnet]

im honestly probably still going to run brain burst

since it has 50% more damage compared to current patch

ill definitely try the others but i dont think they'll top the crunch for me

[full bane]

I’ve never jived well with Brain Burst

[trim garnet]

i love it even on live

use it more than staves

[thorn tapir]

you can have 100% up time on the dome

dome fwends we r SO BACK

[lapis bay]

Assuming everyone stays in, so rip for zealot D:

[teal needle]

It looks like you can get BB to like 200-300% of what it does now with empower and stuff 😄

[warm meteor]

All the psychics look fun. Knives and bio lightning seem like they nearly can replace your gun slot lol

They might make me not take staves

[viral solstice]

pink lightning aint doing much damage tho so temper expectations

[warm meteor]

Yeah milk holds it for like a billion years when hitting some of the enemies before they pop

But im leaning towards knives

[copper charm]

I see pink lighting as more of a suppression tool.

[manic halo]

wait so is surge the blitz no

yeah its CC. The staff is more direction damage now iirc

[undone fossil]

smite is better old surge because it can pop enemies, surge is now targets two enemies for high damage

[manic halo]

i can pretend im an ice psyker now at least

with the shards

[warm meteor]

I wonder what guns are good for psyker, i never use guns

[potent echo]

Mk3 vraks pewpew

[warm meteor]

If im gonna lean heavily on knives, it might be good to get a gun for a very specific situation

[viral solstice]

if ur not sure, revolver

[warm meteor]

What does the revolver specilize in killing?

[viral solstice]

everything

[manic halo]

Oh yeah the gun psyker talent

[viral solstice]

because this patch it has 80% rending on hand-cannon

and surgical

[manic halo]

That’s gonna be a sleepy build

[lethal cave]

Just saw the news about the ability and character reworks
thinking about our random theory crafting from half a year ago now, how surprisingly on-target we got

[manic halo]

You were one of them

A fs agent

Trying to leak to us

[thorn tapir]

my prediction is that we will still get weapon modding

let me swap scopes darn it!!

[stoic gazelle]

Does the patch make any adjustments to our Illisi?

[indigo portal]

Slaughterer nerfs will hit is a bit, otherwise will probably remain the same.

[stoic gazelle]

Same unlimited dodge?

[warm meteor]

Between the sienna reveal and the new darktide stuff Im gonna have a hard time picking what game to play in the coming months

[indigo portal]

That might be the target of a nerf. I don't really consider that to be a core issue with the balance of the weapons, rather just the cherry on top of an already quite powerful weapon.

[analog solstice]

RIP plasteel bug, you will be missed

[potent echo]

Wut

[indigo portal]

That's a pretty funny oversight. Probably pretty powerful though considering the Surge staff rework lol.

[potent echo]

So the elites that die to soulblaze spread more soulblaze, wildfire is back?

[viral solstice]

it has per-target damage like a cleave weapon so the third target added takes like 100

but its a bit of extra cc

[echo cosmos]

Wildfire is an upgrade

[potent echo]

[spice veldt]

if elites die to any of your sources, they will spread soulblaze

it's the new iteration of wrack & ruin

wildfire exists elsewhere on the tree

[potent echo]

Oh wildfire still exists, I'm still trying to read the spreadsheet on mobile

[viral solstice]

oh yeah dogs 1400hp

[humble star]

Did they ever revert the indirect nerf soulblaze got against flak?

[potent echo]

That's a decrease of max hp right...?

[spice veldt]

it went from 2x damage to 1x and then it now settles at 1.5x damage

[spice veldt]

derpy will be happy

[viral solstice]

dogs also work basically perfectly

u can slide under them

u can stationary duck their jumps

[potent echo]

Wtf real

[viral solstice]

u can push them backwards

they work on ping

[potent echo]

Moon dogs?

[viral solstice]

if the trailer was good it would have been 2 minutes of dogs behaving correctly

and everybody who plays darktide would have been like

god DAMN son show me more of those dogs

[cyan notch]

whoa!!! an enemy finally functioning normally and not bugging out 1 year after release

im buying 4 darktides rn

[viral solstice]

PUT THOSE DOGS

IN ME

[gilded viper]

Dogs finally done flying vertical upon the smallest touch?

[viral solstice]

u can literally... go underneath them

incredible dog techmology

[indigo portal]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

[potent echo]

Did they figure how stairs work though

[viral solstice]

tbf i havent yet

we're all working on something

[potent echo]

Also did trauma staff figure out how stairs work either

[thorn tapir]

these stairs go up

damn watulgi

[viral solstice]

ill be real i hate trauma and didnt bother checking

but imagine that its fixed (its probably not fixed)

[potent echo]

It's not probably fixed

[spice veldt]

😔

[meager plinth]

find a way to play the entire game without ever touching stairs

[cyan notch]

itll take em another year to just revert it to conflag aiming

[dusty wasp]

that also the reason why until these day, they still randomly killbind themselves to see the ragdolls, it still funny

[silent wave]

Quick question, is trauma staff still bad?

[cinder moon]

i saw a teammate hiding under stairs during a hunting grounds match just spamming surge staff, it actually made me lol

it was a short section of stairs on relay station exterior with only one way in, was kinda smart tbh

[potent echo]

Yes

[silent wave]

Unfortunate

Its a cool staff

[analog agate]

For the next 19 hours it is meta

And then it will still be good but not meta

[wild inlet]

Hey, if it works, it's not dumb 😄

[cinder moon]

seemed to work out pretty good, though you never know with this game

have had teammates stolen out of the elevator at extract

[lethal plover]

how are psykers looking right now

knives seem like the anti-range answer psykers have always wanted

[willow escarp]

Wasn’t trauma buffed?

[echo cosmos]

There are a lot of new choices for Psyker

Using your blitz as a primary weapon is a reasonable move

[potent echo]

Yea kinda, I think a few months back

No more damage falloff within the circle, pretty good for consistency

[analog agate]

Flurry was buffed. But void is now super buffed

Unless you are talking about current trauma

And not tomorrow trauma

[willow escarp]

Yeah I meant new patch

I saw the void buffs but that’s surely not gonna last?

[analog agate]

Who knows. But yeah, flurry is better. I still bet blazing trauma will be good with the soul blaze synergies

[willow escarp]

What’s the change to flurry?

[analog agate]

The chain isn’t interrupted by stuff like blocking now. It is on more of a timer

Feels more smooth and organic

[slow raven]

did they happen to fix terrifying barrage?

or buff some of the other blessings like run n gun

[willow escarp]

Oh right that’s a change to every chained hit blessing

[slow raven]

cuz flurry is already the best option most of the time

[analog agate]

Well, with quell canceling nexus/blazing is better and you can still get fast charges

[willow escarp]

How do you do trauma quell cancel anyway? Hold RMB, LMB, R, LMB?

[analog agate]

Just tap quell once after you do a charge shot. So it goes (hold rmb, lmb, tap r, hold rmb)

You can get the timing down super easy

[willow escarp]

OK so you release RMB before R?

[analog agate]

I do, I think. I am not playing so can’t confirm that. It is now just muscle memory for me

[willow escarp]

Ok gotcha. I think that’s what I was missing then

[spice veldt]

this was always true for trauma

the only buffs that trauma directly received was the decrease to its peril generation on cast and the addition of a charge bar indicator

[potent echo]

It's a stealth change, documented by ryken as well

[willow escarp]

ooo nice

[potent echo]

It wasn't the case until relatively recently

[spice veldt]

yeah except I already talked to him and brought up videos that contradicted it

the trauma was always like that

[potent echo]

🤔

I've been gaslit

[near wyvern]

You constantly hold RMB. There is input priority in the game, quell > LMB > RMB.

https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY?si=rNDAeqglBoFavx7k&start=155

[gusty furnace]

FWIW

(not of this matters)

[analog agate]

Ya, I was just trying to do it in bed haha. I hold rmb

[gusty furnace]

just blow up enemies with funny staffs

and don't press lmb if you're above 85% peril

All of the stupid psyker "tech" is just tryhard bs that doesn't have any noticeable impact on gameplay unless you're chasing single percent gains in DPS

protect your hands

live the ogryn lifestyle - with added peril

[slow raven]

the quell cancel LMB is legit though

it's like, 50% dps increase

at least

[gusty furnace]

Considering I can output 600k damage with trauma with zero tech

Massive x to doubt

[spice veldt]

you can press LMB as long as you're below 100% peril

[willow escarp]

Ohh ok so I’m doing it right it’s just not a big difference

[spice veldt]

it's that that impressive, but it is noticeable

[gusty furnace]

I like leaving room for BB

[willow escarp]

I knew with void it was a big speed increase

[spice veldt]

the downtime after each cast is ~0.6 seconds, and quell-canceling will cut that downtime to ~0.3 seconds

[gusty furnace]

So I tend to only use staffs up to ~85ish peril

[willow escarp]

But seeing it in the video helps since that just looks like what I’m getting

[spice veldt]

I don't do it because I use warp flurry and also I can't be assed to do it

[near wyvern]

Shorter casts have greater difference due to you sitting most of the time in the after cast animation. If you do low or mid charges it's very noticeable.

[slow raven]

no i mean if you quell cancel on the LMB bolts, it's a massive dps increase for whenever you need to kill targets out of range of your right click

[gusty furnace]

Oh, and sword activations

Light 1>Heavy 2 with deimos is funny on crushers

but just activating it is a two shot

[slow raven]

on the right click i agree it doesn't make much diff

[gusty furnace]

Oh

[willow escarp]

yeah I only have been doing it on blaze trauma w small charges

[gusty furnace]

I literally don't use staff primary attacks

only their charge attacks

sometimes on purgatus

if I really need to stagger something real quick

[slow raven]

i didn't until i learned quell cancel on the LMB, brings it from useless to actually pretty good imo

[cinder moon]

m1 cast would be good if it weren't so stupid inaccurate

be 5ft away from a dude and your incomparable mind fucking misses

[potent echo]

Ball is inaccurate?

[gusty furnace]

All of the staffs need their mouse 1 attacks reworked

Purgatus aside

since its, you know, the only one that's actually staff based

[slow raven]

the m1 could use some mild tracking tbh

[potent echo]

I like trauma ball

[gusty furnace]

it has random distribution

[willow escarp]

trauma could just have like uh some force push shit rather than a projectile

[gusty furnace]

It goes anywhere in the aiming triangle

[spice veldt]

ball is perfectly accurate

[cinder moon]

surge m1 does what it wants

[potent echo]

I don't think so? It always flies to the dot

[near wyvern]

The problem with LMB is that the projectile direction is locked in when you start casting but it goes off only when you release, so if you move you will fuck up your shot by moving the point where it starts from but not the direction it travels. Not to talk about the slow travel time.

[cinder moon]

https://tenor.com/view/weebay-thewire-damn-gif-7324034

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, i was about to say

[spice veldt]

delay between your mouse click and the projectile spawning + delay from ping + delay from the projectile travel time

[gusty furnace]

"Try moving when using it"

it goes wherever it wants to

[spice veldt]

a very terrible-feeling attack with no proper reward

[gusty furnace]

And that's never where you want it to

[potent echo]

That's like using helbore and saying it's inaccurate

[cinder moon]

makes sense that the times it's worked how i wanted where when i was standing still

helbore hipfire is stupid, it goes wherever

[potent echo]

Because it only goes off when you release the button and not when you click it

[gusty furnace]

Uh

🤔

But that's ACTUALLY random

MG12 is that but 10x worse

[potent echo]

I mean charge shots

[gusty furnace]

Helbore is okay compared to the MG12

[cinder moon]

except lasers are hitscan?

[gusty furnace]

ass compared to anything else when hipfiring

[potent echo]

Yea but just compensate idk

[gusty furnace]

There's no compensating for literally random distribution

[potent echo]

Game has game mechanics

[cinder moon]

also yeah i hate mg12, thing sucks

[gusty furnace]

helbore isn't pinpoint accurate when hipfiring

Its not the plasma gun

[cinder moon]

helbore is so inaccurate when hip firing that you may as well be hipfiring in RS2 in full auto with an m14

[potent echo]

Sorry I really need to tag my replies properly

[gusty furnace]

NJaw

its more useable than that

[cinder moon]

i genuinely prefer using the bayonet to hipfire

[gusty furnace]

perfectly "okay" out to about 10 meters

[restive slate]

Imagine hipfiring a Helbore, couldnt be me

[gusty furnace]

So you can nail things like crushers and ragers

[cinder moon]

brah i've had it miss bruisers literally in front of me

when you start ramping up rof in hipfire it goes hogwild

[potent echo]

Hipfire charged shots are decently accurate

[cinder moon]

yeah charged shots are fine, and usually the first hipfire shot is fine, but when you start spamming it's useless

[restive slate]

I wish psyker can use helbore hahaha

[gusty furnace]

Considering the helbore crosshair takes up something like 70% of a human enemy at point blank

that's called "get rnged on skrub"

The vast majority of the time, it'll hit enemies in hip-fire within arm's reach

[cinder moon]

i'm just used to guns that do what i want

because the projectiles go in the direction the barrel is pointing

[gusty furnace]

You're coming at this problem from the wrong genre

that's all I've gotta say

take off the milsim kit like gravy seal 6

[restive slate]

Does knite want a perfect weapon? Cause if helbore is pinpoint when hipfiring then its pretty perfect... sights aside

[gusty furnace]

and put on the mountain dew cap

[cinder moon]

it's a stupid balance mechanic that doesn't really translate to good gameplay

[gusty furnace]

and your lebron jersey

and start thinking call of duty

[cinder moon]

i love the sights on the mk2

i'm a weirdo who actually enjoys bead sights

[restive slate]

I agree hahaha

[cinder moon]

i can't stand the mg12's optic because the crosshair obscures the target

[near wyvern]

Hellbore is not the same. Hellbore obtains direction and start of travel after the delay, staff LMB (non purge) obtains direction on cast start but start of travel after the delay. It would be miles better if it also obtained the direction after the delay but it doesn't and that makes it 💩

[gusty furnace]

Mostly though

the correct solution is to just change staff mouse 1 attacks

to be faster versions of their charge attacks

Keep the ball for voidstrike

[cinder moon]

has surge staff rework been shown in video?

[gusty furnace]

make a quick electric "stab" that only hits one enemy for surge

[cinder moon]

i know m2 cast is no longer CC

[echo cosmos]

2 targets

[gusty furnace]

Make a floor based explosion thats for stagger only on trauma

[echo cosmos]

And hurts a lot

[gusty furnace]

wait what

They reworked palpatine staff?

WHY

[cinder moon]

CC ability goes to biolightning

[gusty furnace]

Rest in Peace elite/special CC

[echo cosmos]

Ye

Bio lightning does it and does it better

[gusty furnace]

So they basically made it worse

Rest in Peace Surge Staff

[echo cosmos]

Its a significant buff lmao

[willow escarp]

no it kills stuff now

[near wyvern]

Cause it's an ult on hands now

[gusty furnace]

It was never about the killing power

[cinder moon]

it does kill stuff now, after like 20 seconds

[echo cosmos]

It is a single target anti big weapon

[gusty furnace]

and that was the fundamental issue with the weapon

Fatshark wouldn't give it good CC

and the community rage babied over the CC anyway

[willow escarp]

but the surge staff still exists as the smite…

[echo cosmos]

If you want more CC, usd bio-lightning

[willow escarp]

You can have both

[echo cosmos]

Surge staff is better than ever before

[cinder moon]

they probably wanted it to be like its reworked status, but since biolightning wasn't in, it got "left behind"

[gusty furnace]

If I wanna kill things, I'd rather just use Voidstrike

and delete whole hordes

or trauma staff

[willow escarp]

well

[cinder moon]

i love seeing lightning idc what it's doing

[gusty furnace]

which also deletes whole hordes

[echo cosmos]

Voidstrike does that better too now

[gusty furnace]

The two target cap seems really dumb

[echo cosmos]

Trauma staff deletes a small circle

[gusty furnace]

and makes it, on paper, worse than void and trauma

[potent echo]

Surge and bio doesn't make that much sense since you can only use one at a time

[echo cosmos]

And surge is objectively better, with a standout use

[gusty furnace]

Tickle hordes to death?

[cinder moon]

trauma used in conjunction with surge is actually pretty good rn, you just need someone who can horde clear reliably while you work on larger units

[gusty furnace]

Killing a couple enemies per full charge is a terrible use-case for staff

[echo cosmos]

Being a single target weapon is much better than tickling hordes

[potent echo]

Or just trauma bb the good old

[echo cosmos]

Charging is also significantly faster

[gusty furnace]

Granted, it also depends on peril cost per attack

if its like. . . 10

Then okay, I can kinda see it

[cinder moon]

tbh i prefer wnr with wildfire

[willow escarp]

someone who can horde clear? But you have trauma staff. Or am I misunderstanding you

[echo cosmos]

And also Surge has the anti crusher damage buff

[cinder moon]

surge/trauma focusing on grouped elites/specials

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, I'm confused.

Trauma is fucking amazing at horde clear

[spice veldt]

i don't like the surge but just know that I have a strong problem with what you've said

[echo cosmos]

[willow escarp]

yeah I don’t know how anyone could have any other impression

it is also good at killing elites

[gusty furnace]

I bet its because they're not attacking the front of hordes

So they're spreading the horde out

instead of consistently pushing it one direction

[willow escarp]

but it just ruins hordes

[gusty furnace]

so they can't get good follow ups

[spice veldt]

the new surge apparently has fairly even armour damage modifiers, according to crab #psyker-class message

[gusty furnace]

in which case, quit being bad at that particular staff

[willow escarp]

I’d hope most ppl figure out quickly detonating it in center of the horde sucks lol

[cinder moon]

i didn't mean trauma is bad at horde clear, just the combo of trauma/surge is extremely good for dealing with grouped specials while someone else focuses on not letting the casters get ganked

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, I fucking hate that shit

"Let me just push random enemies behind my frontline teammates"

"yeah, that'll be a good move"

fucking REEEEEEEEE

[spice veldt]

trauma is also a lot of safety

[willow escarp]

but I still see ogryns on damnation that bull rush poxwalker hordes

[gusty furnace]

I mean, I do

because I know it puts them on the floor

and I can attack the sleeping enemies with BB

[echo cosmos]

Okay:

Surge went from the worst staff to a good staff with the ability to kill singles easily

Bio lightning (the new blitz) inhereted the old surge, and does it better, as well as having a more painful (but still worse) extended zap

[lunar hollow]

there are 2 types of bullrushing a horde

[gusty furnace]

BB doesn't particularly care if people are standing up or laying down because of the attack animations

[lunar hollow]

the one where u press s to stop before it flings them everywhere and u just chestbump them

and the ones where dipshit pubgryn knocks everything around in a crowded area

[near wyvern]

Situational, if your team is getting body blocked and there is a mutant coming please do explode it on your feet, otherwise you want to aim it such that you throw people at your melee not array from them

[spice veldt]

the only problem is that the crack cocaine version of the vstrike is also in the next patch

[lunar hollow]

and accomplishes very little

[gusty furnace]

Since I'm in psyker chat, I mean BB mk3

the ogryn knife

[willow escarp]

there’s times where it’s appropriate sure im assuming you aren’t like seeing an unaggroed horde of poxers on the bridge and bull rushing straight into them which is what I’m thinking of

[gusty furnace]

not brainburst

[potent echo]

I assume purge is untouched?

[gusty furnace]

Oh, I bullrush passive groups of poxies because its funny

[echo cosmos]

[gusty furnace]

but I also have 1100 hours

and understand what I'm doing

and the opportunity cost attached to it

I just want dopamine

[lucid terrace]

Force greatsword... where are you...

[echo cosmos]

I am absolutely running through an entire horde of poxes

You cannot stop the pain train

[potent echo]

It's okay if they clean up afterwards

[echo cosmos]

Choo choo motherfucker

[willow escarp]

now imagine if bull gore would kill that horde

[gusty furnace]

I am very much a "Do as I say" player

[echo cosmos]

Also I kill the poxes with my knife afterwards

[gusty furnace]

I make tons of dumb decisions all the time because I know exactly what I'm doing

and what sacrifices I'm making for those dumb plays

I will chastise the shit out of anyone trying to copy me because I know they're not thinking it through

[echo cosmos]

I make tons of dumb decisions because I am dumb

[willow escarp]

that said with this new barrage ability I’m def gonna mag dump some hordes needlessly

[echo cosmos]

Same

Dakka

[cinder moon]

no no, you rush through the crowd, then continue on triggering checkpoints and aggroing patrols without cleaning them up

[gusty furnace]

Like diving groups of melee elites with trauma staff

so I can stand in the middle of it

and make all of them sit down

Use yourself as bait to create tight balls of enemies

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-point-finger-at-forehead-forehead-tap-head-tap-tap-forehead-gif-18599618

[echo cosmos]

Nope.

I absolutely clean up hordes that I knock

I first kill the dangerous looking things, then the walkers

[cinder moon]

you're not rping ogryn hard enough sorry

[gusty furnace]

Oh yeah, I'll never bullrush a group of enemies and then NOT kill them

that's just bad manners

[willow escarp]

and your rush ends right in front of a trapper

[echo cosmos]

Okay but I like killing

[cinder moon]

this guy gets it

[echo cosmos]

And then you punch the trapper

[willow escarp]

That shit is the worst though

[cinder moon]

nah, just describing a good 40% of the ogryns i see in heresy/damnation

[willow escarp]

When you do a short rush on the like 8 maulers approaching you

and there’s one trapper behind them you can’t see

[cinder moon]

my favorite is when audio starts spazzing out and you get silent trappers/dogs/flamers

[willow escarp]

“ITS KRUMPIN TI—- fuck”

[cinder moon]

back to empty room with a single door?
front of you is a horde with a billion things in it?
have fun getting trapped from behind by the trapper you didn't even know was there

[willow escarp]

my favorite is when you get the glitched out cybernetic trapper voiceline

[cinder moon]

when there's like 5 of them that just spawned and they all have the same voicelines?

[echo cosmos]

Stompin
Snive-
dogged

[willow escarp]

Guess that must be it

But yeah sounds like a robot on the fritz

[cinder moon]

yeah lol

[hybrid solstice]

upd8 2morrow

[lucid terrace]

Oh my god

He hold dat with two hands

[regal jasper]

Hi psykers

Im so fucking excited

[potent echo]

Only 1 sleep more till update

[thorn tapir]

SOON

[viscid matrix]

<t:1696381200:R> <t:1696381200> in OCE

[broken quail]

ehhhhh 1am where I'm at, update releases today. Should probably sleep soon

[wild inlet]

16hrs

[lunar hollow]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1940970982?t=00h32m09s

@spice veldt god DAYUMN son warp absorption + quietude looks nuts

[viscid matrix]

wait our mods will still work?

[wild inlet]

of course

[viscid matrix]

so i dont have to remove them for the update, phew

[wild inlet]

some will undoubtedly break though

keep that in mind

we'll try to keep a list on the Modding discord when we find out about them

[viscid matrix]

dont have the modding discord, got a link for that?

[wild inlet]

https://discord.gg/rKYWtaDx4D

[viscid matrix]

ty

kek assail can cause a burster to get knocked forward into you and your team, because it goes behind the target and come back into the target

[honest frigate]

Allow the fans to see the trees indepth 2 days prior to public release and this shit happens

[olive ember]

I mean its out today

6 PM EST today*

[broken quail]

hmmm seems like the mk2 recon is the "most" efficient of the recon lasguns, atleast in damage per ammo pickup. Mk7 damage bonus doesn't justify the double ammo lost per shot while the mk6 just has flat lower damage with same ammo capacity

[copper charm]

Seer psyker said he has a secret language with 15 vowels. Do you think they come first like in the yeti language from Legend of Kyrandia book II The Hand of Fate?

[olive ember]

mk 2 is also the worst

because it has the lowest dps

mk VId rly maximizes its bullethoseness for crit fishing etc. (good when infernus was good)

mk 7 is just damage

[native plover]

I'm happy to see that surge is single-target dps now for psyker. Can really embrace the lightning now proppa.

[broken quail]

Mk2 may have the lowest dps but not by that much, still shreds non-carapace quickly. Running outa ammo seems like the bigger issue especially if vets start running things other than ammo regen

[hybrid solstice]

Man psyker gets a lot of crit modifiers now, Mettle seems like it would be great for survival if you are using an automatic weapon and just spitting out crits

[native plover]

The knives also look neat though

Wonder how they compare to preach's knives?

[olive ember]

preacher knives are supposed to be single target

psyker knives are

well

kill everything that is weaker than a mauler from what I've seen from the youtubers

[hybrid solstice]

psyker's shards just arent good against carapace

but all else is game ig

[native plover]

How does the bio-lightning look in comparison?

[hybrid solstice]

it basically takes the place of what Surge did

but presumably it should be better than old Surge

and the surge staff is a single target damage staff now or something

[native plover]

But more possible targets i think?

[hybrid solstice]

yeah you should theoretically be able to blast hordes with it for control

[olive ember]

Jsat said it’s kinda meh

[native plover]

I did see how some just explode from it lol. Shame it was not what weird headpop explosion

[native plover]

He's clearly not a Sith fan.

[hybrid solstice]

I can see most people taking headpop or assail tbqh

[humble star]

recommended blessings on dueling swords? Got one with Rampage IV

[olive ember]

I mean you say that but redditors love CC

[hybrid solstice]

but there will always be a niche for stunning a room full of Ogryn

[olive ember]

I’m ngl, the updates out in like 15 hr

[hybrid solstice]

so tru...

[olive ember]

Everything is gonna change

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike will be a fairly important pick

[humble star]

Yeah, I'm just asking based off what we already know from the last year of the game here

[olive ember]

Uhh

[hybrid solstice]

probably the crit chance blessing because of how it could synergize with new talents

[olive ember]

Rampage is good but iirc you only proc it with push attacks

[humble star]

I don't expect a huge blessings meta overhaul tbh

[native plover]

Hear the update siblings? We're getting to show our prowess at last!

[olive ember]

Because duelling sword rn only has enough cleave to proc rampage on push attack iirc

But again this changes in 15 hr cuz blessing rework and weapon rebalancing so

[humble star]

Once again, will be shocked if the blessings change THAT much

[olive ember]

It’s pretty significant

Some of the blessings have been leaked for like a week

[hybrid solstice]

Personally i think Rampage and Shred will be goated together on the dueling swords

[humble star]

In classic FS, hardly anything will actually change about which are the best

[olive ember]

But all of it is conjecture so who knows until the 15 hr mark

[humble star]

Yea, that's why I'm just asking what's good rn

[olive ember]

But flurry for example seems to have been reworked to be duration based

[native plover]

Alas siblings, it releases 12am for me with work tomorrow

[hybrid solstice]

Doesnt mk2 have an actual cleave modifier stat

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike will probaby be a very nice pick

[olive ember]

Rip

[olive ember]

That I’m not familiar with

[spice veldt]

the duelling mk4's heavies will deal more damage than the deimos' h2

it's Cleave Damage, which is just a really shittily named stat

[hybrid solstice]

one of the dueling swords does actually have cleave on it

[spice veldt]

Cleave Damage just affects your armour modifiers against Unarmoured, Flak, and Infested enemies

[humble star]

Which is uncanny strike again?

[cyan notch]

how do u know this

[hybrid solstice]

Not sure how good/relevant it is or if it can proc rampage

[olive ember]

basically according to jsat his idea of meta rn is magic knives, psyker push, and then voidstrike

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike is +rending% per stack

[hybrid solstice]

Rending blessing

[olive ember]

because voidstrike is a fucking rail cannon taht can one shot ogryns apparently

[humble star]

Ohh, ofc rend

[olive ember]

in the new version

[spice veldt]

crab

[cyan notch]

i dont believe tiny

[olive ember]

I'm a bit confused over surge vs voidstrike tbh

[hybrid solstice]

Psyker push with the new damage addon seems like it would actually be good

[cyan notch]

but interesting

[olive ember]

cuz both seem to have been changed to single target damage

[hybrid solstice]

i am going to assume voidstrike can cleave heads and surge cannot

Wait

[olive ember]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1940970982?t=00h32m09s

@cyan notch

[spice veldt]

yeah voidstrike has cleave

[olive ember]

look at 21:38

[hybrid solstice]

Void is single target now? No explosion?

[spice veldt]

it also has the Surge blessing

[hybrid solstice]

Oh ok

Ah

[spice veldt]

the new psyker tree has the True Aim talent, which gives a guaranteed critical hit after 5 weakspot hits

[hybrid solstice]

neat

[spice veldt]

so True Aim + Surge Voidstrike = ...

[hybrid solstice]

I think i would leverage that with a gun though

[spice veldt]

maybe

or perhaps with the shards

[olive ember]

the giant tldr is that everything is overtuned apparently

ogryn is broken

psyker is broken

idk about vet or zealot

[lunar hollow]

surge + blazing spirit for maximum soulblaze

[hybrid solstice]

With a recon you can aim at a horde at head level and proc so many crits

[lunar hollow]

the ogryn shit is the funniest, im ngl

[still hearth]

Zealot is broken af

[lunar hollow]

like ripper was already cracked as fuck

insane weapon

[humble star]

Been too long since I played, but the Trauma right click can't crit right?

[viscid matrix]

zealot is also amazing

[lunar hollow]

and then they gave it a bunch of stuff that makes it WAY stronger

[spice veldt]

the RMB can crit; just that it can't proc the Surge blessing

[lunar hollow]

like flame DoTs that do a shit ton of damage per stack

[viscid matrix]

i hope to god, they adjust the enemies or everything is gonna be so easy and boring

[hybrid solstice]

That always was so whack to me

[spice veldt]

another gun that you may be interested in is the vraks MK3 headhunter

[hybrid solstice]

Oh yes that too

[spice veldt]

because crits are rolled for the entire burst, the Deadly Accurate blessing was buffed to +100% crit weakspot damage, and Headhunter was buffed to +20% crit per stack

[lunar hollow]

well i think the range varies; it looks like there's a lot of strong stuff (with a high concentration of it on ogryn) but some of the other stuff seems mid

like zealot flame nades or the psyker shield

[hybrid solstice]

Anything that would get consecutive headshots without too much recoil-fighting

[olive ember]

bruh psyker boss damage according to jsat is duelling sword, bleed knife, voidstrike crit build or mk 7 vraks

[lunar hollow]

the psyker shield looks pretty fragile. idk if its that great

[hybrid solstice]

Could be sick

[hybrid solstice]

Did he say which dueling sword and what blessings

[lunar hollow]

@olive ember did you see the changes to "on chained hit" blessings

[olive ember]

probably a mk 4

but not sure

[viscid matrix]

its great to make a way to take out snipers from safety

[hybrid solstice]

I have a really good dueling sword that i barely use

Almost godrolled stats (literally one point off at a 379 BST)

[lunar hollow]

you can now swap off a staff and still keep warp flurry up, for instance, though it isnt quite as strong as it used to be

[hybrid solstice]

but subpar traits

[humble star]

Bring back prime dueling sword movement tech

[hybrid solstice]

Force swords and antax have just been too good though

[olive ember]

oh yeah I'm on that part rn

[humble star]

Force sword users needing to learn about dodge count when going back to other weapons

[olive ember]

its gonna take like a week atleast to decide the discord meta breh

I can't believe I have to waste my time making a duelling sword now

dies of cringe

[honest frigate]

Metas are boring

[wet belfry]

Just max out movement speed as psyker

[lunar hollow]

oh funny thing

[wet belfry]

Run past the entire map???

[lunar hollow]

this isn't like, a final iteration or anything

[olive ember]

oh yeah ik

[lunar hollow]

there's changes already decided on not yet in the game

because they couldnt get it in time

nerfs/buffs etc

[olive ember]

you can slide under a pouncing dog now

apparently

holy shit

[hybrid solstice]

kind of glad i lucked into one, i had totally just resigned myself to probably not using much if it all it since really had no advantage

[olive ember]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1940970982?t=00h42m00s

[honest frigate]

Id hope so, but doubtful. Hounds have aimbot

[still hearth]

They're fixed

[olive ember]

apparently lag compensation and frame rate is better now

[spice veldt]

crab remarked that they were basically ok now

[lunar hollow]

@olive ember there will be even MORE evi buffs later down the line

[olive ember]

supposedly

[lunar hollow]

get FUCKED

[humble star]

FS going to "accidentally" give us the version of the game with even more broken dogs

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[spice veldt]

dogs have 1.4k hp now

[lunar hollow]

im kinda annoyed

chaxe wont be in a good state until later

[olive ember]

eh i mean with BB damage buff that should be fine right

[spice veldt]

yeah

[lunar hollow]

assail looks cracked af vs patrols

[spice veldt]

they have less hp now

[plucky flax]

Already clearing auric maelstrom with duelling sword.

[lunar hollow]

im ngl i was prepared for empowered psionics to be ass tier

and then i was enlightened

[olive ember]

apparently smite is mid

which is mucho depressing

[lunar hollow]

smite seems eh

surge also kinda seems eh

[honest frigate]

Why mid

[hybrid solstice]

i like the dueling sword but force sword and antax have just been so ezmode in comparison

[humble star]

Why did surge even need a change?

[olive ember]

how fucking dare you

[lunar hollow]

because they turned its functionality into a blitz

[honest frigate]

So that makes smite bad? Its CC

[olive ember]

i don't get the point of surge if voidstrike exists tho

tbh

[lunar hollow]

good change, imo, i'd rather not have weapons that are way too relegated to a CC role

[lunar hollow]

voidstrike is wildly overtuned on patch 13's live

[still hearth]

Smite is just CC which is no different than surge was

[lunar hollow]

probably gonna be nerfed

almost guaranteed i think

[plucky flax]

Duelling sword has swag and really good specials damage.

[lunar hollow]

one tapping crushers is egregious

[honest frigate]

People are just disappointed then. Got it

[olive ember]

reasons jsat gives smite for smite being mid (off the top of my head): apparently its CC so it doesnt kill, doesn't spread enough, too much peril gen, doesn't scale with horde density so it feels like it gets weaker on higher difficulties

i mean people in this discord thought surge staff was useless so

[humble star]

Yeah, you already have that for single target nukes... IDK how I feel about surge change

[olive ember]

its consistent

[still hearth]

It was bad

So yeah

[olive ember]

.>

[still hearth]

❤️

[hybrid solstice]

thats very true, i've just gotten used to literally deleting hordes with perfectly horizontal left clicks at head level that illisi allows, it'd made me so lazy haha

[olive ember]

meh I'll learn how to use the duelling sword

[spice veldt]

assail hordeclear

[olive ember]

tho I wonder how the illisi is nowadays

if I wanna just melee horde clear

[plucky flax]

I only use horde clear staff with duelling sword.

[lunar hollow]

did u see

u can troll urself with assail

vs bursters

[spice veldt]

ye

[lunar hollow]

if u aim with shards in mid air

[humble star]

force swords will still be fine

[lunar hollow]

u can launch a burster into urself

[hybrid solstice]

yeah purgatus is cool too

[lunar hollow]

dude im gonna abuse the fuck outta that on teammates

[spice veldt]

that is the one sketchy part of the shards

you bitch

[lunar hollow]

nope i love it

u think ur safe

[spice veldt]

you motherfucker

[lunar hollow]

and then suddenly u see

the shard

[spice veldt]

die

[lunar hollow]

zoomin at u

its happening

[hybrid solstice]

right now ive been using purgatus with deimos

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[lunar hollow]

its so real

ill get u arco

[spice veldt]

not real

you're not real

[lunar hollow]

just u wait

[spice veldt]

you lil shit

[hybrid solstice]

will probably change come tomorrow

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

die

[lunar hollow]

its coming

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[lunar hollow]

its so TRUE

[spice veldt]

nope

[olive ember]

gremlin spotted

[humble star]

I just want to see if my Deimos loses it's oneshot breakpoints

[honest frigate]

I can understand it being called mid for not spreading enough, i hated surge for that even if it was apparently said to be useful because of the stunlocks. Just hope if thats the case, Fatshark will quickly buff it because the new brainburst in the game and assail are just goated

Hate inconsistency

[lunar hollow]

true

[potent echo]

It might lose bruiser BP

[olive ember]

also @lunar hollow you realize everything you said here can also be applied to yourself right

[lunar hollow]

what did i say

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i wonder

[humble star]

you know what you said

[lunar hollow]

what are u talking about

im lost

[humble star]

[honest frigate]

Hi lost

im Aiden

[lunar hollow]

if i get memed on by an assail psyker

i will invoke the ancient rituals

none shall be left standing

[olive ember]

you don't do shit even when you get barreled

biggest bluff I've heard in a while

[lunar hollow]

u simply havent seen what ive gotten up to

[humble star]

I just want to put down a shield for a team of 3 Ogryns to throw rocks behind.

[native plover]

They might just buff smite after feedback to release now

[humble star]

stone the heretics

[olive ember]

@spice veldt wanna queue

I need

I need resources

;-;

[spice veldt]

sus

no i'm grinding resources on my own

[olive ember]

"you might even be able to convince yourself that revolver is playable"

fucking jsat poppin off

[humble star]

true

[olive ember]

smh wow what a not team player

[hybrid solstice]

Will revolver ever be playable with a reload like that

[honest frigate]

I hope

[humble star]

No but it will be fun so it will always be popular among the fun lovers

[hybrid solstice]

Loading bullets one at a time like that is cool but in practice it would be a much better weapon with a speedloader reload

[olive ember]

@spice veldt literally abandons me to the darktide randoms

I can't believe it

[native plover]

Well, even if some guy says 'mid tier' i will still use it. Do like shooting lightning

[humble star]

favorite Darktide patch was when the surge was bugged

[honest frigate]

Reason i never ever used the revolver was because of its shitty reload

[humble star]

and blinded everyone

10/10, could kill my teammate's eyes in real time

[native plover]

It was intentional to make it 'feel better to use'

My eyes hurted

[cinder moon]

get speeloader on it and maxed reload stat, ez

[shadow quail]

lol that was so trash

[olive ember]

btw

[hybrid solstice]

they either need to give it a speedloader or make the bullets pierce at least half way deep into a horde

[humble star]

So why are people recommending the MKIV dueling sword now? It was always the MKV in this server in the past

[olive ember]

what Jsat is running

[cinder moon]

they do pierce like 8 deep, i've killed specials through hordes using revolver

[olive ember]

rework makes mk iv heavies stronger than deimos

[humble star]

only the mkIV?

[olive ember]

atleast thats whats being said through the grapevine

[shadow quail]

and it clears too?

[olive ember]

well we dunno, but what we've heard is the mk iv duelling sword got that damage

[cinder moon]

melk had this for sale today

[past helm]

uh buy it for sure

[cinder moon]

i did lol

been using this but gonna hold onto the other one

[humble star]

It's probably because of the stab heavy doing insane damage

and I think the IV has only the stab

[past helm]

oh yeah that new one kicks its ass

[cinder moon]

the stab is awesome

even now

[humble star]

right now it does like half the damage of a Deimos stab right? That means the buff tomorrow is going to be insane

[honest frigate]

Anyone ever wish that our loadout weapons displayed on our character both in a match and in the morningstar

[olive ember]

Shield is useless its over

[past helm]

after all they engender passivity

[thorn tapir]

everyone

[olive ember]

surge blessing on trauma is still useless as it turns out

feelsbad

[honest frigate]

We need to bully fatshark into making this a reality

I hate how barren the characters look while they wouldve obviously looked much chunkier with all that gear theyre carrying

[humble star]

IDK if you guys heard about Diablo 4, but loading in every weapon could make the loading screens take 10x longer

[honest frigate]

Its a small detail, but it goes a long way. Too bad its probably not happening anytime soon

[humble star]

I still just want an offline hub so my loading screens are instant... like Vermintide II

Or at least give a toggle for it

[honest frigate]

Or just... You know, use the third person models that show on fellow teammates? You dont need to add any more loading lol

[olive ember]

I wish there was something to do in the fucking multiplayer hub

like if you are gonna make a multiplayer hub than make it have a function

[golden frigate]

wdym, you got emotes

[olive ember]

[honest frigate]

The function of the multiplayer hub is to make you hate your forsaken existence everytime you have to walk to a shop or the mission terminal

[humble star]

For the morningstar? it would def require more if it wanted to accurately load in everyone's weapons. Just loading in the drip is already the extent of Fatsharks technical limits.

[cyan notch]

doesnt have a function

thats why u use hub hotkeys and dont move

everything can be accessed from a menu

[humble star]

this

[honest frigate]

Honestly, mass skill issue

[humble star]

mods fixed that issue months ago

[humble star]

The entire dev cycle of this game has been one.

[honest frigate]

True

I wouldnt even need full detail weapon models to be displayed, 50% detail would still be fine, but i get your point

Wish the game ran better

[humble star]

game run better/ Flex garbage weapons

pick one

[honest frigate]

B o t h

[native plover]

I wish the stances at end mission showed the weapon i am using, not default one

[humble star]

use the weapon that is being used in your stance

[native plover]

N e v e r

[plucky flax]

Can't wait to get carried by xbox players.

[regal jasper]

So true

[plucky flax]

Op aimbots.

[regal jasper]

I’ve never been on the pc side of a game before it mingles with console

Am i allowed to hate

[plucky flax]

Can't disable cross play as pc gamer

[viscid matrix]

kinda wish there was a psyker version of this with the weapons and new tree https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3044646170

[plucky flax]

Fartshart discrimination.

[regal jasper]

Thats cringe

[viscid matrix]

cant be any worse than the people who just quickplay and are silent now

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah xbox players will scream in their shitty mic.

So fun.

[regal jasper]

Im blocking xbox mic kids

[cyan notch]

pc players already do that

[viscid matrix]

dam, and muting is awkward as hell too

[regal jasper]

Block then dc

Only valid answer

[cinder moon]

you guys hear people on voip? the last guy i heard was trying to compliment my outfit but his mic was too quiet so none of us could actually hear him

[cyan notch]

shitty mics arent a console only thing

plenty of trash setups everywhere

[viscid matrix]

its a casual player thing

[regal jasper]

I own a steel series artic pro 2019 so im chillin if i need mic

[severe hemlock]

Should I change slaughterer to precognition?

[still hearth]

No??

Especially not before patch

[severe hemlock]

👍

Time to just farm materials then

[regal jasper]

This game has so much replay ability

[inland sand]

there could be 🙂

just need to get a team together to write it

[thorn tapir]

the whole point of the skill tree is to use what you want

xD

maybe I'll make some guides and the actual experts here can call me a casual

🙂

can't wait to theory craft

[viscid matrix]

true, but look at that ogrynomicon, its amazing

the version we have in the pins doesnt compare yet

[thorn tapir]

i hate being in coherency of ogryns cause they just make a mess knocking everything over

[cinder moon]

naht me, spark'ead

puny heretics get crunched

[thorn tapir]

the throw poxwalkers behind you constantly so you are surrounded 360 instead of just killing them from the front

too much knockback.

[viscid matrix]

psyker has the most troll knockback now
assail on a burster will go thru and come back and knock it forward into you

[thorn tapir]

whenever there is an ogryn i feel like i have to stop whacking the thickest part of the pack to turn around and kill some zombie halfway in a wall getting up

assail build looks fun

but I'm gonna be a 100% uptime dome psyker day 1

thats so cool

2 charges!!!

[viscid matrix]

dome is mutually exlusive to the double charges

[faint sigil]

its ok if you mash the passive point hard enough itll glitch on

[viscid matrix]

so either 2 wall shields that cc specials, or dome shield that regens toughness for everyone

[hybrid solstice]

The dome seems really good

[viscid matrix]

it can be, but there is so much toughness regen for group on every class thats available now, i think its overkill

[whole oxide]

ehhhh

seeing jsat deploy the shield against 1 gunner, and it breaks in like 3 seconds

[hybrid solstice]

The dome?

[whole oxide]

it was the regular flat shield

[thorn tapir]

oh the hp is low??

[hybrid solstice]

ah

[whole oxide]

but nothing indicates that the dome has more HP

[hybrid solstice]

Well worst case scenario, FS ups the HP in the future

[hardy crow]

Does the Dome block Bomber Grenade, if yes, then it's siblings!!

[viscid matrix]

nothing on the tree mentions more hp for the shield, so it might just be great for dropping and then killing the snipers from safety

[thorn tapir]

i didn't realize it had hp 😦

[viscid matrix]

why do that, when we can just assail it and kill it

[whole oxide]

wierdly, dome looks like its most useful agaianst melee

[viscid matrix]

kinda disapointed that Smite is mediocre compared to assail and bb

[hardy crow]

them bomber was trained by a CSGO Pro AI i'm sure. mfs throw stuff off map all the time

[fluid knot]

Sadly not much can be done about that, even with zero knockback stuff is gonna slip through the cracks, just the nature of the game

[thorn tapir]

when i play solo that isn't a problem

[fluid knot]

No sense in pointing the finger at other classes for it, even less so when the game literally spawns things on you

[native plover]

Maybe they were afraid that such an ability would be really easy to make OP?

[fluid knot]

What are you playing solo? Malice? Because even with the best plays in Damantion+ stuff ends up behind you all the time

[thorn tapir]

you can def corral the horde into a blob. auric damn?

[fluid knot]

You can, but its not gonna stop stuff ending up behind you a lot of the time

Thats just how the game works

And why blocks are 360*

[thorn tapir]

they move in a really predictable pattern and usually only come from one or two directions

its harder on something like the finale of the train raid mission

idk I'm pretty good about having 360 degree awareness

[fluid knot]

I would say thats on of the easier bits tbh, coz you can get in one of the few spots where stuff can only come from one direction

[thorn tapir]

that's why i find it so annoying

cause I SEE THEM go behind me

its just a pet peeve

[fluid knot]

Anything with AoE is gonna do that

Trauma staff anyone?

[thorn tapir]

well grenades kill

yea i hate that too

just knocks everything everywhere

without killing

very annoying

[fluid knot]

They kill a few... i wouldnt say Vet grenades are very good atm because the epicenter, or rather, killzone, is so small

Most of the stuff it hits gets yeeted

[thorn tapir]

not as bad as trauma lol

[fluid knot]

No, true, not as bad as Trauma, but misuse of AoEs is rampant amongst the community overall

[spice veldt]

hopefully assail hordeclear is good so that I can say goodbye to melee hordeclear

[olive ember]

its alright

[spice veldt]

so that I don't need to care about enemies getting knocked around

[olive ember]

atleast from the twitch clips

[viscid matrix]

if you go empowered keystone, it def looks like it can

[olive ember]

if you really want horde clear just run a purge staff kekw

[spice veldt]

yeah should be pretty good esp if I quick swap between my melee and shards

[olive ember]

or voidstrike

[fluid knot]

Im kinda hoping its got a thing that makes it only target Elites/Specials, but i havent looked up exactly whats in teh new trees yet

[spice veldt]

bleh

[olive ember]

actually

how strong is AB now

like if you super spec into AB with wildfire and CDR with fire kills

[viscid matrix]

it targets based on who you look at

[olive ember]

especially since its peril based

not

[fluid knot]

Voidstrike is looking fucking cracked now from the little ive seen of it