just need to be able to reroll 3 things then
#psyker-class
whole oxide
olive ember
We just need to be able to reroll everything
fresh reef
~~there's no fix for error 3013 right? since it's a server backend thing?~~lol forgor I had my vpn on
snow scaffold
What do you use your VPN for lol
fresh reef
fresh reef
What do you use your VPN for lol
region locked content
olive ember
~~there's no fix for error 3013 right? since it's a server backend thing?~~lol f...
What about server error 2003 or 2014
fresh reef
What about server error 2003 or 2014
isn't 2003 a client side error? haven't seen 2014 since like, beta
olive ember
Idk cuz my friend still gets both about a week ago
fresh reef
Idk cuz my friend still gets both about a week ago
have they tried swapping their DNS servers?
olive ember
No clue but they basically quit darktide because game is quite literally unplayable for em
fresh reef
ask them to change their primary DNS to 1.1.1.1 (cloudflare dns) and alt to 8.8.8.8 (google dns)
@olive ember
worked like a charm for me, after months upon months of disconnects
olive ember
I mean I’ll ask dunno if he’ll bother with all the other games he’s got but yea
atomic zephyr
i think people say 5 is best for the overhead strikes, 4 is best for quick stabs
im not too sure about mk 2, but i feels decent
digital narwhal
So 5 would be a good pair for Trauma n' Purgatus?
atomic zephyr
im just curious about the penetration stat and uncanny strike, i picked up a 80 everything except 50 penetration DS and i know i'll run uncanny strike, question is how important is the penetration if i have uncanny strike
willow escarp
So 5 would be a good pair for Trauma n' Purgatus?
yeah I’ve done it. It’s not really great at fighting back against much, but you get gtfo of dodge and back to blasting your staff well
The dodge distance is hilarious
digital narwhal
I imagine that the Rending on Weakspot hit also makes it rather good at taking on Monstrosities when you have aggro?
willow escarp
Not to say it can’t kill, but awkward if you’ve got a lot of stuff on you close
willow escarp
Probably, can’t say I’ve really tried beating down a plogryn with it
Great for kiting though
willow escarp
But it's good for bullying individual enemies?
Yeah you can just H1 and dome them
atomic zephyr
But it's good for bullying individual enemies?
the DS are very fun to bully single targets, when you have like 5+ more mobs, you will need to dance
i choose the combat knife over the DS tho
willow escarp
The special is extremely fast and has decent stagger iirc? But low dmg. I haven’t used the cool sword in a bit so foggy
plucky flax
Dats op mane.
willow escarp
in a duel like vs a plogryn or CS or captain you are untouchable tho, dodging scab captains and ended up completely behind them is funny
atomic zephyr
i know its a mk2, but stat wise, even with uncanny strike lvl 4, still worth bothering with it?
plucky flax
Low penetration. 
atomic zephyr
i know
i wish uncanny strike would completely turn this thing around
sadly i think its just wishful thinking
plucky flax
Idk mk2 and 4.
Because cleave damage is sort of wasted modifier since you gotta be gigachad to horde clear with it.
wooden heron
Get the Illisi and never look back 🙂
willow escarp
Also you can swag it up to 1 shot flamer.
What are you listening to?
viscid matrix
i know its a mk2, but stat wise, even with uncanny strike lvl 4, still worth bot...
inspect it, then mouse over penetration, it will tell you exactly what it does
plucky flax
What are you listening to?
Twista
willow escarp
That’s what I thought but
plucky flax
Legend rapper.
willow escarp
Is it a recent song or prime twista?
I haven’t heard anyone reference Twista in like 12 years so was surprised lol
bold patrol
facts
willow escarp
I hate that you replied to that because it led to me reading that conversation
viscid matrix
So we are all agreeing that surge staff is best staff
Surge is only best as a CC weapon
Purga is meh, but works
Void is crap, it needs fixing
Trauma is the best staff for damage
viscid matrix
its damage is shite, its just very very useful as a cc tool
olive ember
This staff wants to be charged up all the way before casting, which isn't fantastic, but that's why we pair it with the 10% faster charge time after each salvo perk, whatever tf it's called. After a few casts you're throwing out fully charged armor melting lightning bolts with basically zero charge time, and this thing is DEVASTATING.
willow escarp
I gotta run purg again. I don’t remember feeling like it wasn’t good
olive ember
I gotta run purg again. I don’t remember feeling like it wasn’t good
16m range hurts it but it will melt everything short of mutants and ogryns
viscid matrix
I gotta run purg again. I don’t remember feeling like it wasn’t good
its not bad, but its not great either, its useable
olive ember
mfw deleting 90% of enemy types with infinite cleave is only considered "useable"
willow escarp
it’s very quick and maneuverable which can be helpful in situations gone sideways
I main trauma but its not quite as easy when you’ve got stuff from a lot of angles at once
olive ember
purge feels bad in the sense that it doesn't have on demand CC
well you have the left click I guess
it also doesn't have a lot of range
besides that it will melt shit
but surge staff is super stronk
and doesn't have complete garbo range. and all the on demand CC
saw a reddit build and it was genius
pair surge staff with AB and suddenly you have super horde clear as well
willow escarp
oh ok lol I should’ve recognized that one
since turning 30 I assume everyone in gaming discords is too young to possibly be listening to twista 
plucky flax
I like mumble rap too but gotta keep it real with the classics too.
Wu Tang forever.
willow escarp
mumble rap still going? I listened to a lot of emo rap in like 2017-18 or something but I’ve listened to almost nothing but Tom waits, father John misty and Alanis morissette for like two years now 😅
plucky flax
Oh I mean stuff like the migos, future, etc.
Shitty rap with a catchy beat.
But it goes hard. 
atomic zephyr
inspect it, then mouse over penetration, it will tell you exactly what it does
I know what it does. Dmg vs flak and dmg vs carapace. Just wondering if the uncanny strike would’ve been able to compensate for the lack of penetration
willow escarp
oh ok I was thinking like xxxtentacion
plucky flax
Actually a really nice dark moody type underground rapper is night lovell.
His first 2 albums are best.
willow escarp
I listened to a lot of guccihighwaters, don’t think he ever got any traction. I got a soft spot for whiny shit lol
plucky flax
I listened to a lot of old yung lean too.
God of cloud rap.
Then he does too much drugs and sort of went a new direction which I don't like as much.
plucky flax
cinder moon
Which Duelling Swords are good again?
4 has a tassle on the handguard and trinkets actually go onto the pommel, so if style is your main concern, the blade also says THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
frozen osprey
Howsit goin today psyker chat
wooden heron
doing great thanks, how are you?
viral solstice
doing great thanks, how are you?
kate big fan
olive ember
ask them to change their primary DNS to 1.1.1.1 (cloudflare dns) and alt to 8.8....
alright so my friend tried it for 2 games and for now it seemed to work
idk how tf that fixed it but yeah
viral solstice
Ideal Blessings for Duelling Swords?
uncanny and watever u want, u gotta put in minor effort to activate rampage and shred is just shred, otherwise live ur troof
viral solstice
yeah tho that stuff will probs need fiddling so i wouldn't sweat it too much
just make sure u got half sensible things and see how it goes
frozen osprey
doing great thanks, how are you?
I'm,
spice oar
anyone else notice that assail seems to be able to be modified to apply soulblaze?
digital narwhal
Rager died and it spread Soulblaze-
We figured it out in Ogryn chat.
It’s probably Wrack & Ruin, but likely updated to work with all Blitzes.
(We could be wrong though lmao)
warm meteor
anyone else notice that assail seems to be able to be modified to apply soulblaz...
did you peep that in the trailer?
yall have better eyes then I
shrewd comet
is the autopistol still a good weapon?
olive ember
it is rn dunno on 10/4
fresh reef
idk how tf that fixed it but yeah
dude idk either but it's like fucking magic
ocean cipher
can't wait to get my hands on that dome ability
steel flame
I hope against hope I can push enemies with it 😛
warm meteor
that would be a cool upgrade
and if the shield is a wall of force, makes perfect sense
gritty terrace
Allegedly you can make it stagger things as they enter but that is only rumor iirc
warm meteor
oh yeah i think i read that somewhere
ocean cipher
Allegedly you can make it stagger things as they enter but that is only rumor ii...
its an upgrade
gritty terrace
Noice
potent echo
It’s probably Wrack & Ruin, but likely updated to work with all Blitzes.
I wonder if ascendant blaze is still in the game
After oct4
spice veldt
prob this one
potent echo
cinder moon
laspistol force push uses stamina 
cinder moon
still hearth
If it worked on flak it would've at least been a fun meme
warm meteor
Laspistol force push also won't stagger on flak
they should give us a laspistol keystone to fix it
still hearth
Just buff the pistol so you can throw enemies away
cinder moon
give it a force grab instead
imagine picking up a mauler and dropping it off a bridge
potent echo
Could it be the Callisto protocol
warm meteor
imagine picking up a mauler and dropping it off a bridge
picking up a daemonhost and dropping it into a fast moving industrial fan
cinder moon
puny heretic, crunch them all!
warm meteor
I do hope we see more psychic disciplines get repped with staves or other means
cinder moon
the only thing i expect i'll truly miss with the update is double chastise for zealot, that shit is so useful sometimes
honest frigate
boys and girls
what kinda psyker you maining after the update drops
the answer is clear for me
viral solstice
the only thing i expect i'll truly miss with the update is double chastise for z...
why would u assume its gone
cinder moon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder moon
ah word
viral solstice
this is an elaborate troll it actually halves ur distance charged
fatshaaaaaaaaaaark
cinder moon
i didn't look very closely at anything because i'd rather read than try to decipher hieroglyphics
cinder moon
brunt finally has a plasma over 360 for the first time in a month aaaaaaaand
hybrid solstice
what kinda psyker you maining after the update drops
I like the idea of scrier gun psyker with maybe assail or smite
honest frigate
I like the idea of scrier gun psyker with maybe assail or smite
OH NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SO MANY OPTIONS AND YOU CHOSE THE PATH OF THE SINNER
...i shall respect it...barely.
spice veldt
yeah non-force scrier with assail will be what i'll be doing
viral solstice
duelling sword IV + whatever gun im feeling with deadly accurate / headhunter or surgical / hand-cannon with assail, or assail voidstrike w/ destiny disrupted and venting shriek w/ blaze
vocal sundial
i really miss that feature that let you craft your items 5x faster
potent echo
Write it down 
vocal sundial
hope it comes back in the patch 😔
viral solstice
i really miss that feature that let you craft your items 5x faster
whats carfting
i just have item
vocal sundial
noting this down!!
fluid knot
Crab running about with the most cursed loadouts possible to avoid touching the crafting table, true and real 
viral solstice
Crab running about with the most cursed loadouts possible to avoid touching the ...
stalkin into ur monstrous maelstroms with a vraks 7
nocturne badge
of the devil claw swords, which is the "good" one?
viral solstice
of the devil claw swords, which is the "good" one?
iv and vii are both good, 1 is just johnny 2 sweeps if u like sweeps its fine
nocturne badge
was looking at this one
viral solstice
very solid, skullcrusher -> rampage and weakspot -> flak or whatever u want and its guccisaurus
upper galleon
i thinky you need savage sweep tho right?
or else you'd just get, stuck when hordes come out
nocturne badge
i am without rampage
upper galleon
rampage savage sweep is just the best blessing combo
potent echo
Most sane claw user
I can't believe this level of claw propaganda, makes me want to build one too
spice veldt
you're too far gone now
viral solstice
i thinky you need savage sweep tho right?
there are various reasons why shred rampage might be desirable on psyker next patch
nocturne badge
doesn't the mk7 claw sword have crazy cleave targets base?
viral solstice
its got decent amounts but broadly ur not raw spamming the sweep its a sweep light rotation if ur just spamming into a horde
but there are lots of things that are changing
one of them to consider is just a crit claw might have synergy if say there was a finesse archetype for psyker coming...
and another is that every single crit melee weapon will be running with assail which is instant 3 removal on a quickswap
upper galleon
there are various reasons why shred rampage might be desirable on psyker next pa...
i'd rather say shred savage sweep would be better
viral solstice
you would be wrong
upper galleon
so you aren't getting stuck but oh well
lunar hollow
would i be wrong
viral solstice
actualy i wonder if one of the blessing leaks has given it away
indigo portal
Wdym stuck
Bouncing off of horde enemies with a fairly horde clear focused weapon is dumb.
indigo portal
tell me more
spice veldt
on the other hand, you have pushes
nocturne badge
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914161923334214/115387686446...
spice veldt
since the current meta of stuff is just mashing LMB
still hearth
Idk I've never felt claw struggles with keeping hordes at bay
lunar hollow
since the current meta of stuff is just mashing LMB
untrue some of them require special activations
still hearth
It just doesn't shred like the real horde clear
lunar hollow
very intensive gameplay
spice veldt
VROOOOOOM
indigo portal
I know that the Decapitator blessing mentions "+Finesse". Wonder if that's what you're talking about.
viral solstice
imagine finesse as crit + weakspot + crit weakspot damage as a single stat
indigo portal
Imagine it just means +Attack Speed lol.
viral solstice
the finesse calc in the lua doesnt touch attack speed so ur safe
lunar hollow
i hope devstrike is worth smth i rolled it on like 4 out of the 6 half decent chainswords i made on vet in preparation for commissar larp
viral solstice
i hope devstrike is worth smth i rolled it on like 4 out of the 6 half decent ch...
haha oh dear
well if bm got nuked from orbit
presumably devstrike gets savaged too
lunar hollow
😔
indigo portal
presumably devstrike gets savaged too
Yeah supposedly it's now just +Cleave instead of unlimited cleave on crit. No more funny build with chaining crit ults against hordes. 
wooden heron
So, I dodge sidewards a lot to move. Just got abused over voice for it heh
viral solstice
pensive
still hearth
Yeah supposedly it's now just +Cleave instead of unlimited cleave on crit. No mo...
You only need to hit 20 targets to get charge back anyway
potent echo
Zealot evis killed like 4+ poxwalkers upon exiting stealth though
cinder moon
So, I dodge sidewards a lot to move. Just got abused over voice for it heh
if you were using a dueling sword it's alright
they're just jealous of the drip
lunar hollow
i also have 2 separate bloodletter/unyielding chainswords
i will solo plogryns with rev only
spice veldt
jealous of psykers with sneakers
so weird going from vet to psyker and being able to dodge faster consecutively
wooden heron
Yeah I went from Vet to Psyker, I love it
cinder moon
i try to roleplay revolver/force sword psyker on my vet with powersword and plasma, but i always run out of dodges
still hearth
Ouf
spice veldt
plasmagun with 2 dodges 🥲
yeah with the psword you can't be a crackhead dodge-slider
still hearth
Just use revolver on Vet tho
spice veldt
such a shame
cinder moon
Just use revolver on Vet tho
then i can't roleplay psyker by blowing myself up with plasma heat
lunar hollow
have to settle for sprint sliding with 300 toughness 😔
spice veldt
sprint-sliding works similarly enough but lacks some of the safety
still hearth
then i can't roleplay psyker by blowing myself up with plasma heat
Understandable
spice veldt
have to settle for sprint sliding with 300 toughness 😔
ikr
wooden heron
working with 3 stam is a hard life, but its worth it
zinc phoenix
I can’t wait to shit out a dome on damn and have people lose their mind
still hearth
I can't wait for Psykers to blow up constantly
viral solstice
I can't wait for Psykers to blow up constantly
way ahead of u
potent echo
Tactical 
zinc phoenix
I can't wait for Psykers to blow up constantly
💁♀️
cinder moon
finally my all wound curio build comes in handy for more than a meme
hybrid solstice
I think it will still be a meme
zinc phoenix
Me still tryna get that “asplode an elite” penance done since launch
potent echo
Zealot martyrdom is based on wounds though 
cinder moon
i got that on the throneside mission where you walk down all those stairs
still hearth
Zealot getting up to 72% melee damage, let's go
cinder moon
tons of elites bunched up on the stairwells at the bottom so i just walked in while surge staffing
still hearth
That's actually worth playing at 10% HP
zinc phoenix
Zealot martyrdom is based on wounds though <:hmmgryn:1022192304154484767>
Finally my zealot wound stacking madness will be superior
hybrid solstice
Wait wouldnt you have to down yourself like 8 times to make use of that or is it just based on your health relative to your wounds
zinc phoenix
Gotta have like a billion woods if you want to play the “suicide for health” build 😂
spice veldt
presumably empty health counts as well
atomic zephyr
not the best, but a good start
potent echo
Do the branches have official names? I wonder what the other 2 psyker branches are called
spice veldt
well, hopefully empty health counts
hybrid solstice
Yeah hopefully
wooden heron
I mean some zealots like to run at 1 health anyway, crazy!!
zinc phoenix
Do the branches have official names? I wonder what the other 2 psyker branches a...
Excuse you, the teats
potent echo
hybrid solstice
Because otherwise it's a massive meme
zinc phoenix
Emprah needs you to find the milk in this picture:
still hearth
It would be so counterproductive if it was based on corrupted wounds and not just missing HP
Get 10 wounds but also waste them all lmaoo
zinc phoenix
Fatshark logic so that’s definitely how it works
still hearth
"brb guys let me just die 9 times"
hybrid solstice
Do the branches have official names? I wonder what the other 2 psyker branches a...
i would assume Biomancer and Diviner
still hearth
"it'll be worth it"
zinc phoenix
If they don’t sell a cow themed cosmetic for everyone with prominent teats on patch day I’ll be extremely disappointed in them
hybrid solstice
So basically we'll have access to the Telekine (though this game calls it Psykinetic right now for some reason, im not sure if they'll rename it or what), Biomancer and Diviner trees
zinc phoenix
“Giver of Dome”
hybrid solstice
assuming they use the actual discipline names
still hearth
Aside from the active options the different branches aren't really themed
hybrid solstice
or idk i havent seen the full trees
The abilities could just be randomly scattered throughout
instead of being themed trees yeah
zinc phoenix
Where does magic missile go? Teat theme wise?
still hearth
Aside from the nearby nodes the rest seem to be just normal ones
hybrid solstice
it is easier to say we'll have access to abilities from those disciplines, rather than play them
still hearth
Since you can spread out
teal needle
I've been practicing just not overloading without the help of vent while farming plasteel. I think I'll be okay on the 4th lol
viral solstice
no u will died
thorn cedar
but i am already died
shy warren
🏴☠️
viral solstice
blazing island
is this thing any good? its at melk wondering if i should buy
personally i usualyl use the deimos force sword but idk
fresh reef
is this thing any good? its at melk wondering if i should buy
sour milk offering scams as usual
blazing island
my melk never offers staffs. like, ever. always lasguns and autoguns
fresh reef
stat bars are workable, but the perks and blessings are both pretty godawful for illisi
blazing island
does illisi work differently with the charged attack
or is it still the like stick it on an enemy and hold for a bit then push off
cuz it has very different attacks from deimos/obscurus
fresh reef
illisi gives you a massive cleaving strike
blazing island
AYO
thats sick
probs wouldnt want to pair it with lightning staff tho. god i love lightning staff
fresh reef
basically power sword but on psyker, with insane toughness regen to boot if you take warp absorption
fresh reef
probs wouldnt want to pair it with lightning staff tho. god i love lightning sta...
it is quite literally the meta pick for surge
fresh reef
hoping and praying the new penances give me more fuel for this aeshetic
fresh reef
also i have no clue how the surge actually works
basically, it chains to up to 8(?) targets and stuns all of them. The first two take the full damage of the attack, based on charge level, and the damage is practically nonexistent past that
you're mainly using it for the utility of stunning things
@olive ember care to elaborate?
blazing island
so is that why when i charge it dudes in my cone of vision have this like blue effect around them
fresh reef
so is that why when i charge it dudes in my cone of vision have this like blue e...
yeh
spice veldt
yeah the blue-scorched effect on their skin
something to note is that it picks the target at the beginning of your cast
if you wave your mouse around after the cast, you'll see the lightning jump around, but that doesn't have any gameplay effect
blazing island
okay that makes more sense now
cuz up until now i just hold a charge and fling that shit
idk how it worked
but so taht illisi isnt worth picking up even for blessings
olive ember
<@297801006182432778> care to elaborate?
I mean you basically said everything p well
cyan notch
15 targets
spice veldt
yeah that illisi has low dmg and finesse
preferably, mobility and/or warp unleashed are the ones you'll want to lose out on
blazing island
are damage and finesse the two big ones?
spice veldt
first target is also there but it's currently bugged to not affect your special
so it is what it is
finesse is weakspot/crit & attack speed for reference
blazing island
i bought a white one from brunts and tried it in the meat grinder and it was definitely fun
what are the two blessings/two traits you want on one?
just for my own reference
spice veldt
slaughterer + deflector (w/ either stam or kinetic deflection) is the usual pick
if you prefer to trade damage for safety, go for unstable power or bloodthirsty over deflector
blazing island
what about the traits?
blazing island
also i LOVE deflector
olive ember
flak + maniac
blazing island
got a t1 on a blue sword from a drop and i love that so much
cyan notch
flakiac
fresh reef
manilak
the scab stalker when I put my shield up in front of his stupid fucking lasgun:
cedar cove
Flaniak
echo cosmos
I wonder if smite has some form of downtime, or if it's just the peril cost
potent echo
Probably peril cost, and opportunity cost
potent echo
Like brain burst
echo cosmos
Brain burst has a large time cost
potent echo
Yea
spice veldt
some crabvice #psyker-class message
echo cosmos
I want to make my own build, not listen to a crab
true lake
i know the carapace damage isnt going to be too useful
but just thinking what i could do to make it somewhat useful modification wise
echo cosmos
I am pretty sure that is the best thing on that sword
copper charm
Question.
Is laspistol viable on psyker right now? Used it on early levels but it was at 1st threat level so...yeah.
true lake
stub revolver is probably your better bet
very quick draw on it and the damage can easily one shot a lot of the more annoying specials
aka sniper mainly lol
echo cosmos
Stub is also fun
copper charm
Kinda yeah. I also like revolver, just kinda like the vibes on the laspistol.
echo cosmos
Reload can be partially interrupted if necessary, so it isn't that bad
true lake
i mean vibes wise i get it lol
echo cosmos
Also iirc Laspistol is not very good
true lake
its not horrible at all, i just like stub revolver due to its insane accuracy and damage
copper charm
Also iirc Laspistol is not very good
Maybe in the future we get new variations of revolver and las pistol. Imagine pulling out a big iron.
restive slate
Like how Terrifying Barrage is viable
potent echo
I haven't seen it do anything except in the meat grinder, and there it only suppresses the shooters for like half a second
brisk mortar
alright spark 'eads i have question: does blocking with a force sword block ranged attacks?
gilded viper
alright spark 'eads i have question: does blocking with a force sword block rang...
Only if the force sword has deflector
upper galleon
Good to take in mind the tier list doesnt show number of games
gilded viper
Also is it ranged weapons all together or in the context of each archetype?
upper galleon
You can check yourself
gilded viper
But that means I have to look at reddit, like ew
upper galleon
It wouldn’t be bad if they posted the raw data and didnt do tier lists
brisk mortar
Only if the force sword has deflector
oh okay thanks
upper galleon
Becuase that will mislead people
Like if mk3 helbore was used as much as bolter or shredder pistol on vet
It would be far below where it is placed
gilded viper
Chubby Dogfish being misleading or unclear with stuff? Never.
upper galleon
What?
Grow up and read
It’s just some random who presented very poorly
Without posting the data or exact numbers
gilded viper
I guess I lost track of the conversation, lol.
upper galleon
thorn tapir
It wouldn’t be bad if they posted the raw data and didnt do tier lists
i know, i just want to look at the data myself
upper galleon
Same
Dude still hasnt posted it last i check so
Im gonna shame and point out what is wrong with the list so people dont actually think revolver is S tier on psyker ( or at least not before oct 4th)
willow escarp
Isn’t that just the guy posting results from games that he personally has been in?
upper galleon
I mean i don’t think the dude has bad intentions
willow escarp
oh yeah I know he takes it very seriously
upper galleon
Just the road to hell is paved with good intentions
upper galleon
If he posted raw data it would be interesting to look at
But no data
And barely any numbers
potent echo
Might be an almighty ragebait
upper galleon
Just vague win rate comparison
potent echo
2500 missions is way alot
willow escarp
if we had general data would’ve been much better
upper galleon
Might be an almighty ragebait
Road to hell…
willow escarp
all of the games having him in can be a pretty big skew..
upper galleon
I mean there is too much effort put in for trolling
potent echo
I think he faked the entire tierlist
No one can play that much and be still so dense
willow escarp
Idt he’s trolling I remember him on Reddit before
upper galleon
And things are too accurate
willow escarp
he’s just insane but serious
upper galleon
No one can play that much and be still so dense
Sadly being bad at stats is not a blocker for spamming games
Like bolter and shredder not being S tier even tho they are they best they are also the most popular
potent echo
But he has to understand like team comp / player skill is much more important than weapon loadout 
upper galleon
Which drags down winrate
He has much to understand that he needs to post his fucking data
Ugh it’s infuriating
potent echo
Yea off meta weapons having high win rate because it's usually some god tier player sick of playing meta
upper galleon
Mk3 has a natural noob filter and the slowest variant
Only people who know what they are doing getting into that (mk3 hellbore on vet)
fluid knot
People still discussing that ass tier list huh?
upper galleon
Revolver on psyker is a whole bag
Revolver takes up the same role BB does and isn’t what an average skilled player will gravitate towards
Nor is it the most popular gunker weapon since most gunkers play off fast firing weapons to consistently get BB procs
upper galleon
People still discussing that ass tier list huh?
I think discussing it is fine if you include nuance
And disregard the tier list and get upset cause no data posted
Basically revolver psykers are likely high skilled niche players who know their strengths and weaknesses well
true lake
tier list that is obviously horrible
revolvers fit a niche yeah but definitely still better than laspistol
true lake
its less the numbers and more the criteria yeah
true lake
its like trying to judge football players and their skills by what color socks they are wearing
indigo portal
revolvers fit a niche yeah but definitely still better than laspistol
I wouldn't consider Revolver better over Laspistol with Psyker due to the WU combo you can run with Laspistol.
upper galleon
Agri shotgun is def better than kanty shotgun on vet, but i know for a fact agri shotgun is used more and also isn’t the best or most intuitive weapon
lunar hollow
the main issue i have is that the tier list framing gives a lot of people the idea the list is significantly more significant than it really is
upper galleon
Yee exactly
true lake
pretty much
upper galleon
Framing is bad
golden tartan
the main issue i have is that the tier list framing gives a lot of people the id...
This
lunar hollow
it's a winrate comparison that focuses on a very small part of the details of a match
true lake
imagine putting purgatus at the lowest tier lol
golden tartan
Zealot agri shotgun being S tier is...
upper galleon
Just data sorted in a nice list
golden tartan
Thats the players mate, not the gun
upper galleon
Would be great
fluid knot
And disregard the tier list and get upset cause no data posted
If there is no data it just becomes whataboutisims in my eyes tbh
upper galleon
Yea agri on zealot is like kanty shotgun on vet
true lake
the funniest part is they dont even show the stats so we have nothing to go off of except them saying "i swear guys this is a 100% scientific list"
fluid knot
Here are ratings I've arbitrarily made with data which im not gona share with you; Just summat seems off about that
upper galleon
If there is no data it just becomes whataboutisims in my eyes tbh
Well there is data the dude just wont post it all, he shared some data on his later staff post
Dude is just wacky and stubborn
true lake
his data hardly even matters anymore with the changes that are about to happen with the update
lunar hollow
there's a lot of working backwards involved in the data. even if you assume it's all 100% true you have no idea why there are guns that are at S tier when they are strictly speaking worse than another options
golden tartan
Helbore Mk 3 he mentioned has like a... 3.7% appearance rate
true lake
enemy health values changing and all that
lunar hollow
so u have to start trying to infer whats going on here and this is where u start getting all the bad information
ive seen a handful of people try to reference the tierlist as if it is definitive in what weapons are good and like, first of all why are u trusting reddit posts in general
true lake
its also a matter of a lot of the weapons he clearly admitted he doesnt know how to set up
upper galleon
Yee if it was just a nice list of winrates and pickrate
lunar hollow
and second of all clearly u didnt read like any of the part where the guy explains he collects a bunch of data that basically doesn't really tell you anything other than he saw a gun a certain amount of times and flipped a coin
golden tartan
Also for some weapons i feel like its one or two people skewing the results
upper galleon
Cough cough crab
lunar hollow
i mean if u wanted to take the concept of looking at loadouts and try to make meaningful data from it u could go
true lake
i find it more funny that the tier list blatantly tries to say purgatus is as bad as voidstrike
upper galleon
He just needs to ditch his silly criteria posting
lunar hollow
but idk what even the point of ranged weapon pick/win rate is because that doesn't give u anywhere near a good idea of whats going on
true lake
idk what difficulty this man be playing on but he is really bad at observations
indigo portal
his data hardly even matters anymore with the changes that are about to happen w...
He acknowledges that in the disclaimer.
upper galleon
And let people peer review
I do think it is interesting to see
I would like to see the winrates of 2,500 auric games I’ve played
upper galleon
idk what difficulty this man be playing on but he is really bad at observations
Auric damn
lunar hollow
i hope this guy takes these points to heart and just doubles down on the problems with his post
would be funny
true lake
imma be honest, auric damn be stupid
fluid knot
Its also worth pointing out that weapon choice is barely even related to win-rate because mechanical knowledge and player ability rule the roost. Its not like a player with zero game sense is gonna do any better with the best weapon loadout than if they used something average, this game actively punishes bad game sense, not bad weapon choice
upper galleon
He barely improved on his staff post he did after this
true lake
and definitely not the proper way to tell what individual weapons are good by themselves
indigo portal
I think it's neat data but for multiple reasons it's just actually negative worth. So many people misuse it and on top of that it lacks foundation to give backing to the neat data.
There's no point in keeping it up imo.
true lake
you try telling a bunch of the highly skilled psykers that the best option for auric damn is a revolver and nothing else
lunar hollow
I think it's neat data but for multiple reasons it's just actually negative wort...
its gonna be worth even less once a significant chunk of player power is moved from weapons to talent setups
indigo portal
There's no point in keeping it up imo.
Unless he like, fixes it. Hasn't yet though so I doubt he will.
upper galleon
Its also worth pointing out that weapon choice is barely even related to win-rat...
Well you are kinda thinking backwards. Playrate does add in. More popular weapons mean more bad and mediocre players running it with poor skill and even building it entirely wrong (thrustless hammer dude i met)
golden tartan
Also regression towards the mean is a thing
The more a weapon is played, the more it regresses towards average
indigo portal
its gonna be worth even less once a significant chunk of player power is moved f...
Again he acknowledges that. Because the info is strictly meant to be a "guys look at this cool data that will soon be gone" I'm not gonna say it's worthless because it'll be short lived.
It has genuine issues that don't include the lifetime of the research.
upper galleon
I think i said that up above if mk3 helbore was played as much as shredder or bolter, it would be c tier, if not lower (by the OPs shitty criteria)
fluid knot
The more a weapon is played, the more it regresses towards average
There you go, you can have the statistically strongest weapon, but if its being weilded by an absolute plum it makes zero difference
true lake
when it comes to auric damn the main thing that determines survivability is teamwork and overall builds
not individual weapons
upper galleon
Ehh there are some weapons
true lake
if he really wanted to test weapons and their effectiveness individually, would he not just go into a damnation meat grinder?
upper galleon
Crusher zealot stats couldnt be saved by dedicated pros
lunar hollow
when it comes to auric damn the main thing that determines survivability is team...
not true a bunch of maelstrom modes are basically autopistol or die
fluid knot
Wait wut
upper galleon
if he really wanted to test weapons and their effectiveness individually, would ...
Cause he isnt measuring himself he measured his team
true lake
thats exactly why i dont personally play maelstrom tbh
lunar hollow
(or some other equivalent that just shits out damage)
fluid knot
That is some troll right there Josho
golden tartan
Its an exaggeration but he has a point
true lake
maelstrom is just a bunch of modifiers shit onto an already relatively challening difficulty
feels lazy
golden tartan
Even the helbores hard struggle on some of the more silly maelstroms
lunar hollow
That is some troll right there Josho <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
the ones where you have shock + 3x special waves generally speaking require a stupid amount of damage output
maelstrom swings from being super difficult to easier than low int damnation but the ones that just drop rooms of enemies on you at random are just stress testing how much plasteel you put into a meta weapon
fluid knot
More demand for damage but requiring using something outright broken like the SAP? Thats uhh.. a bit of a reach
true lake
i dont think you are pretty much locked into auto pistol spam but you are definitely heavily forced into using more imbalanced weapons
indigo portal
if he really wanted to test weapons and their effectiveness individually, would ...
The focus of the research was win rates. Using the Psykanium or solo play would taint the data with personal skill.
true lake
right but the research hardly matters when the win rates arent determined by the weapon choice
if he wants to test win rates, he is basically just testing the individuals he gets on his team
a variable he has no control over
indigo portal
That's a different issue. You're attacking the relevance of making the data itself when before you were attacking the source of the data, I was replying to the latter.
true lake
fair, im more just trying to understand why he bothered with this research when this research doesnt seem to be getting the data he is looking for
its not a very scientific process
why would one try to research what weapons are the most effective by using variables they have 0 control over and where the only way to win on such a difficulty is through means past what weapons are used
indigo portal
I've made like 4 walls of text at this point going over my own concerns with the post. It, put simply, just lacks foundation. It has issues beyond the data itself, such as the post's influence on the viewers being a net loss of correct information.
fluid knot
If im bluntly honest i dont think tierlists are a particularly good way about measuring effectiveness anyway
true lake
they are never usually that good as they always fail to the bias of the one making the list
golden tartan
At some point in DT it becomes personal comfort >>> weapon tier
lethal lagoon
I mean what's best is going to vary quite a bit based on your teammates. So the only real tier list you could make is a solo play tier list.
indigo portal
If im bluntly honest i dont think tierlists are a particularly good way about me...
They can be. Tier lists are just a medium. But with this case it'd have to be a far more specific target than just ranged weapons for it to hold value. Sadly, in this case a proper tier list would require each piece of data to be Melee/Ranged/Feats and that would cause it's own issues.
fluid knot
Partly because more often than not its opinion, partly because the only way you'd ever make it actually relevant is to go off the actual numbers relating to the item in question, and ofc, partly factoring in the playstyle that works with it, but even thats pretty fallible because playstyle for what suits one person may not suit another, thusly the only concrete thing youre left with is the numbers, which are fine in a vacuum, but never really tell the whole story
cyan notch
goddammit not this shit again
fluid knot
Yeah i dont know why people keep dragging its corpse back out the grave and making out it holds any relevance either
native cedar
Implying it is completely irrelevant and hurtful is also telling. 🤷
fluid knot
There is no implication here, it IS largely irrelevant for multitudes of reasons
native cedar
Reason being the tierlist framing, limited sample size, impact of other factor ?
thorn tapir
yea, i thought it was interesting didn't realize they're was controversy about it haha
sample size is okay for a low pop game like this, its more the data itself is bs
lethal lagoon
There's no MMR, but people treat that post like this game has MMR basically.
thorn tapir
and literally not even available
thorn tapir
the walls
lethal lagoon
Walls, hnng
thorn tapir
i can't wait to drop domes
lethal lagoon
I can think of so many places to put them
thorn tapir
you can have like 70% uptime on the dome as well
regal jasper
Yall are tryna build walls to keep the heretics out?
regal jasper
Let me guess gonna get them to pay for it too?
thorn tapir
melk can foot the bill
regal jasper
Walls seems cool
thorn tapir
one good thing you can say about the administratum: their checks always clear
regal jasper
Not as cool as shards tho
indigo portal
Implying it is completely irrelevant and hurtful is also telling. 🤷
Partially true. It's not irrelevant. There's that little value of "oh it's cool". It's just this cool info is backed by little foundation and is more harmful than it is good due to it being a misleading format.
fluid knot
Reason being the tierlist framing, limited sample size, impact of other factor ?
There is no real data posted and its based on his teammate's abilities to use the weapons, there is very little relating to the weapons themsevles at all. Moreover it reads like an opinion peice when he starts saying "I dont know enough about these weapons to rank them" and with a statement like that, it could well just be a case of; "these are my opinions but im gonna write a post that makes it out to be as factual as possible"
thorn tapir
its based on winrate
not on opinion
now a lot of things outside if the weapon can influence win rate sure
fluid knot
So he says, but without tables and datasheets, well you leave out the key part
native cedar
Partially true. It's not irrelevant. There's that little value of "oh it's cool"...
It is not the first nor the last time statistics is read like that. Kind of is the hard limit of the disciplin
fluid knot
Aye, hence why im taking it with a pinch of salt, might just be another redditor making up BS for clicks
indigo portal
It is not the first nor the last time statistics is read like that. Kind of is t...
All data can be misinterpreted, but this was set up in a way that is absolutely not helping. (most likely not intentional by the author).
native cedar
There is no real data posted and its based on his teammate's abilities to use th...
It is not only "his" data (disclaimer) and he don't want to write a thesis about it and prefer playing the game (comment) which is imo fair
fluid knot
It is not only "his" data (disclaimer) and he don't want to write a thesis about...
There doesnt need to be a thesis. There needs to be DATA
If you're gonna make a post like that, you damn well better have something backing it up or people dont have a whole lot of reason to side with it and it'll get dismissed.
native cedar
And data cleanup is a job that i would probably not do unless am paid to do it
fluid knot
Then you shouldnt be making posts that hinge on there being enough data to prove what you're saying is correct
If it was being collected anyway, then it would have been trivial to make an excel sheet with it all layed out
Without that, its just baseless conjecture
native cedar
You can't prevent ppl from posting stuff 🤷 plus comment section was interesting
fluid knot
And again, given the criteria was based offa his teammates performance more than anything else, well.
fluid knot
You can't prevent ppl from posting stuff 🤷 plus comment section was interesting
Nor am i trying to, but if you're going to do something like that an claim the results are from X number of sessions, if the numbers arent there, then dont expect people to beleive it. Its that simple
native cedar
Do you know how annoying it is to gather this data ? History mod do not track that, you either need custom code or manual gathering
fluid knot
Bruh... you just need to use a tally system
If thats "hard" you probably should have paid more attention in school
fluid knot
How? You have one column for "loss" and one for "win" and then you work out averages after your set number of sessions
Thats literally how you go about something like that
There is no nuance or complex maths needing to be done
azure veldt
I've finally got to the point where Malice is easy, and HISTG Malice is mildly sweaty yet manageable.
Been having a ton of fun running a fluffy build with all talents leaning into soulblaze, and my sword also doing soulblaze.
My question is, will this silly non-optimal build work at heresy/damnation or should I take sensible things like deflector blessing and standard talents?
fluid knot
I've finally got to the point where Malice is easy, and HISTG Malice is mildly s...
It'll work, i run Blazing on Void an Blazing on Deimos, but if you're just moving up to those settings its not gonna be easy
I would get more "sensible" choices an then move back to the burny build when you're comfortable in the settings
azure veldt
It'll work, i run Blazing on Void an Blazing on Deimos, but if you're just movin...
Thanks. For last perks I'm running wildfire and ascendant blaze. Talents are: 231222
Wildfire is hilarious 😂 but I recognise at higher levels it could hold me back.
Appreciate your advice amigo
fluid knot
Well swap Wildfire for Warp Battery, can keep AB as it does better with Warp Battery, just grab a Trauma with Blazing if you wanna keep burning stuffs, Slaughterer and Unstable for DPS on Sword
Idk, Wildfire is a very divisive feat
Some of us love it even in Maelstrom, others despise it
azure veldt
I can imagine.
Overall, with all talents leaning into fire there's synergy there - extra warp charges, and all attacks benefitting etc.
I'm hoping new class system gives me more pyromaniac play space - which can be tempered with other perks etc.
I do enjoy Ascendant blaze but I have to admit, it feels like I'm limiting the team by not taking the 3 in the last talent slot for quicker BBs.
fluid knot
For AB to really shine you need to have Warp Battery for sure, 6 stacks is the threshold to start actually killing things. Though its safe to expect the patch will have more in the way of supporting feats for a pyro build
plucky flax
imagine putting purgatus at the lowest tier lol
It's not that great compared to trauma.
plucky flax
For AB to really shine you need to have Warp Battery for sure, 6 stacks is the t...
Me been playing with ab and wildfire exclusively. 
fluid knot
Me been playing with ab and wildfire exclusively. <:pepesurrender:75937413905593...
Aye, but you're actual top tier tho, for your average thats a loss in output
Ive seen you play, you could run with a toothpick and a butterknife an still do well
plucky flax
I think wildfire is a dps increase for the average players actually.
Because it's just passively spread damage.
Rather than them trying to keep up the 6 warp charges.
fluid knot
Aye, but if stuff isnt dying then that damage isnt being spread
plucky flax
Hrm... All they need is hold down right mouse on purg or trauma for wildfire to start working.
I hope they buff it even further since the community's view on wildfire is 'weak'.
I'll be like
fluid knot
Laughing anyway tbh, even on the Void Blazing an Wildfire slaps hard as fuck
Its like people sleeping on WnR, that is capable of ridiculous output in higher settings, but it needs that special density to be worth using, doesnt hold up in lower difficulties because its harder to stack
plucky flax
It competes with warp unleashed and that's the most op talent for current psyker.
It's just free damage all the time.
fluid knot
Pretty much yeah
Its a hot take, but i honestly think WnR is more valuable than running purge
plucky flax
You run it with kinetic barrage for faster bb?
near wyvern
I hope they buff it even further since the community's view on wildfire is 'weak...
The weakest part of it is the one stack bug, it would also be nice to raise the hard cap to 6 or 8 stacks.
plucky flax
I dread Wednesday when all the mods will break.
cyan notch
i rather just 1 shot specials immediately than waiting for wrack to get the kill 10s later
fluid knot
i rather just 1 shot specials immediately than waiting for wrack to get the kill...
Wrack kills everything else around them, its not a single target thing
You kill the initial targets with BB, then all their mates burn to death because WnR essentially has no stack cap
cyan notch
the things around them arent a big deal the specials are
fluid knot
Its just net profit, the more things that are dying at any given time, the better
cyan notch
slow killing is no go for me im not waiting 10s for a burster to slowly burn to death
fluid knot
You're essentially getting free spread damage from doing what you'd usually be doing
It doesnt take that long...
cyan notch
how long is it thrn
fluid knot
Say you get a crusher patrol with various ragers an that around them, you burst the crushers an the ragers are dead by the time you're done
Again, it has no stack cap that can be reached in a mission, so every burst is more damage ticks being pushed out onto any given local target
cyan notch
i dont care about stack cap i want specials and elites to instantly die
fluid knot
Which they will do to Burst, you just prioritize the most dangerous ones an the others die to the secondary effects
You can wipe a whole mixed horde in like 4 bursts
fluid knot
Yeah no, thats being dramatic, its not that long
cyan notch
how long is it then
fluid knot
Idk, like 5 or summat after a couple bursts, its as fast if not faster than if you'd set them on fire with purga
but again, its free damage output for doing something you'd do anyway
cyan notch
5s too slow for a burster that could be instantly killedd
5s too slow for a flamer to not die
fluid knot
If you're trying to kill bursters with burn damage idk what to tell you mate
fluid knot
The same way you do, i just kill everything else near them and not just that one special
cyan notch
im just saying theres a lot of value to be had killing specials instantly
and i will take that every day
fluid knot
Less value imo than the amount of pressure WnR will take off your team
fluid knot
Yeah again, you burst each on in a mixed horde once, it doesnt matter if you dont have WU or WB because after the second one, they die to the burn in like 2s and everything else also dies
Use KB to get them fast bursts an its trivial to utilise
cyan notch
again i value killing them instantly as opposed to waiting for them to burn out
fluid knot
Single target kill vs whole mixed horde kill
One burst on a rager without WU or WB puts them on such low HP that it doesnt matter you have to wait an extra two seconds
cyan notch
youre just being deliberately obtuse
fluid knot
safe crystal
Everything except a running rager or a mutant will stop when you BB them once. You wont be getting multiple WnR on them if they run at you from range
cyan notch
it matters to me that i have to wait 2s
fluid knot
Everything except a running rager or a mutant will stop when you BB them once. Y...
Yeah you will
At least if you're paying attention
Running anything except KB sure its not ideal, but with KB you can put out so much damage with WnR in a reasonable timeframe its kinda obnoxious
cyan notch
mid
fluid knot
You want one thing dead, i want the whole screen devoid of moving things, we are not the same
cyan notch
id rather have more damage and better breakpoints all around
you want bursters running around for 15s after u bb them (might as well have not bb'd them)
we are not the same
fluid knot
I just shoot them with a fully charged Void, pops them on the spot, ez
Bursters being your one argument as to WnR being bad is actually laughable
cyan notch
pay attention
fluid knot
Tells me you have never even tried to use it an just parrot what others have told ya 😉
cyan notch
ive already mentioned ragers and flamers
not to mention breakpoints for warp unleashed
Tells me you have never even tried to use your brain to read an just parrot what others have told ya 😉
fluid knot
My guy.. if you've burst 5 different things over the duration of KB in a mixed horde it doesnt matter whats in it, the whole thing is getting wiped
spark fractal
I just shoot them with a fully charged Void, pops them on the spot, ez <:KEKW_og...
i'm pretty skeptical, void is, in my experience, the worst staff
fluid knot
i'm pretty skeptical, void is, in my experience, the worst staff
Oh it absolutely is, but thats not the discussion here
I like it because its versatile, but its gotta be said, none of the staves are weak per-se
They all have a place
cyan notch
my guy...youre just being deliberately obtuse mate
fluid knot
my guy...youre just being deliberately obtuse mate <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
you enjoy that fixation on bursters bud
cyan notch
you enjoy that fixation on bursters bud <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
you enjoy your 2 year old reading comprehension pal
dawn wolf
Rank staffs from 40000 auric maelstrom wins from best to least, k go, thx
cyan notch
ok brb in 4 years
safe crystal
Yippee, more useless data
spark fractal
i'm actually a gunpsyker main, it's super fragile, but i enjoy having brain burst to go with the shredder's ability to delete anything that's not a crusher or bulwark
dawn wolf
ok brb in 4 years
Feel free to go hyperbolic with any of it
fluid knot
Rank staffs from 40000 auric maelstrom wins from best to least, k go, thx
We had that debate earlier Rating weapons on your teammates ability in pugs is utterly meaningless, even more so when none of the data is provided
cyan notch
Feel free to go hyperbolic with any of it
i definitely will and not provide any actual data
spark fractal
We had that debate earlier <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> Rating weapons on y...
i mean as far as carrying unreliable teammates go, it's gotta be the surge
cyan notch
putting after every sentence reminds me of grandparents putting 🙂 after every message
fluid knot
i mean as far as carrying unreliable teammates go, it's gotta be the surge
Its just not the way to go about evaluating what weapon is good and what isnt
dawn wolf
cyan notch
i mean as far as carrying unreliable teammates go, it's gotta be the surge
yup pure support is always going to be weaker compared to something that can handle itself
fluid knot
yup pure support is always going to be weaker compared to something that can han...
There are loads of builds that can handle themselves in a vacuum, but that again, all relies on the ability of the player using them, and pugs should have told you by now its mostly irrelevant how meta someones loadout is if they have all the game sense of a drunken hobo drowning in a puddle
azure veldt
Quick dumb bot question - I did the tutorial on vet and skipped it for the other classes.
Is how to actively quell explained in the tutorial or at any point in the game?
fluid knot
Hold R, or press F if your ult is charged
azure veldt
I'm asking because I feel incredibly stupid and only recently learnt how to do it... after getting 2 psykers to 30...
fluid knot
idk if its in the tutorial, i only did it on Ogg way back when
azure veldt
Me: incredibly stupid
azure veldt
Hold R, or press F if your ult is charged
I tried playing on PC controls. No doubt they're * better but I much prefer using a controller. Idk why.
fluid knot
A pad will never equal the precision you get from a mouse its true, but at the end of the day preference is preference
azure veldt
I knew about the ult, but holding reload to to quell was new to me.
azure veldt
A pad will never equal the precision you get from a mouse its true, but at the e...
Agreed. I'm more accurate shooting with MK but with pad I'm much better at melee and dodging etc.
cyan notch
There are loads of builds that can handle themselves in a vacuum, but that again...
who asked? i wasnt even replying to you
fluid knot
Agreed. I'm more accurate shooting with MK but with pad I'm much better at melee...
If you can manage it, its very worth learning to play on M&Kb all the time, melee an dodging will become second nature after a while anyway
fluid knot
who asked? i wasnt even replying to you <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Its just facts mate, you can run the strongest thing you like, but if you're a melon, youre a melon an there aint no saving you. No need to be a raging peinarse about it
ornate pebble
I'm asking because I feel incredibly stupid and only recently learnt how to do i...
No way bro ran two psykers without the knowledge of quelling peril
cyan notch
Its just facts mate, you can run the strongest thing you like, but if you're a m...
again who asked? im just agreeing with a guy that said surge is the worst for carrying unreliable teammates idk why ur writing essays about something not even relevant
ornate pebble
again who asked? im just agreeing with a guy that said surge is the worst for ca...
Bro writing a whole essay explaining someone else’s reply
fluid knot
again who asked? im just agreeing with a guy that said surge is the worst for ca...
I see you're somehow upset about our previous conversation. If its caused you so much hurt that you need to be a twat about things, well, i suggest that you probably shouldnt be on the internet or you should hit the block button, whatever works for you cupcake
azure veldt
No way bro ran two psykers without the knowledge of quelling peril
It's true. Never gone beyond Malice HISTG though...
ornate pebble
It's true. Never gone beyond Malice HISTG though...
azure veldt
I started ~3-4 weeks ago... and mostly play late at night when kids are asleep.
fluid knot
Yes, quite.
ornate pebble
I started ~3-4 weeks ago... and mostly play late at night when kids are asleep.
That’s fr crazy
azure veldt
<:thepain:946786071214186607>
I know. Believe me when I say no one can judge me harder than I do myself RN.
ornate pebble
If your psyker was a living being he’d be the single-handedly most traumatized man in existence
Peril is literally the warp energy in their body eating at their mind and control
azure veldt
Best part is I've only rarely popped myself with peril. I just thought the passive peril rate was what was affected by the quell stat.
ornate pebble
Letting it drain naturally is like infecting a wound and then acting as if you just have to wait for it to heal before you fight and get more wounds
Instead of treating it
azure veldt
My life got significantly easier after learning how to actively quell...
ornate pebble
My life got significantly easier after learning how to actively quell...
Lmao
Bro started training at the highest difficulty and then realised he’s supposed to make his life easier
Nothing can stop you now 
ornate pebble
Heresy really ain’t that bad
Just get some decent rng on bomber/flamer spawns and you’ll be fine
azure veldt
Possibly. I was hoping I could keep playing this game as a filthy casual and not go hard-core but it's not in my nature...
So it's only time until I'm in auric 😭
plucky flax
again who asked? im just agreeing with a guy that said surge is the worst for ca...
I disagree with surge being the worst at carrying bad teammates. If anything they have more time to line up their shots on the specials. 
azure veldt
Just get some decent rng on bomber/flamer spawns and you’ll be fine
Oh. Also 2 days ago I switched my headset to one that has proper audio stage - as before I was just using my casting headset that has a great mic but no 3d sound.
ornate pebble
I disagree with surge being the worst at carrying bad teammates. If anything the...
Whenever someone properly runs surge it’s so uplifting
azure veldt
It's been quite nice to know where the enemies are coming from.
cyan notch
I disagree with surge being the worst at carrying bad teammates. If anything the...
sure if thats what u think
ornate pebble
They just stunlock groups while I have time to reload and charge my plasma
Surge and purgatus are the same coin
Surge does little damage but makes it reeeeal easy to survive sudden hordes in bad positions
azure veldt
I disagree with surge being the worst at carrying bad teammates. If anything the...
What does surge do that purg doesn't? AFAICT, purg staggers most enemies and does more damage...?
ornate pebble
Purgatus does plenty damage but does little to stop the hordes from actually swarming
plucky flax
Longer range, stun muties, shotgunners.
ornate pebble
Surge is THE stun staff
azure veldt
Yes. Muties are a fricken bane
ornate pebble
Muties are the most dangerous specials.
I love Muties
azure veldt
Freaking jacked quarter backers.
More like jacked FBs or DEs.
plucky flax
I have maniac damage on all my weapons cos muties be wrecking teams.
They grab you fling you to the horde, or just body slam while the horde swing at you as well.
ornate pebble
Each time one grabs me when I’m cornered in fire or a horde, or a chaos spawn is on my ass- they just pick me up, give me a few inspirational slaps on the ground and send me flying into an advantageous position
plucky flax
Either way it's rough when muties running around during a chaotic horde encounter.
azure veldt
Actually, Muties be making TJ Watt look delicate.
ornate pebble
Either way it's rough when muties running around during a chaotic horde encounte...
There was 3 one time and we were all separated cornered by a swarm for each of us,
And a mutant charged me 4 times in a row and did a circle around the map with me
plucky flax
More like jacked FBs or DEs.
Sry I'm not american I just thought quarter back is like the fastest dudes in American football.
ornate pebble
He never slammed me down he just picked me up and threw me
plucky flax
Dunno what fb and de are.
azure veldt
Sry I'm not american I just thought quarter back is like the fastest dudes in Am...
Nor am I lol - but I've played in UK University league.
Full Back and Defensive End are your power runner/rusher roles
Bombers would be your QBs 😉
Do all surge staffs have same range or is there a modifier that affects it?
dawn wolf
🍔
plucky flax
I see yeah. Whatever is the fastest runners in American football.
Jacked guys that run fast af.
Surge doesn't have a range modifier.
thorn tapir
stop being mean to each other yall
wowow, the heretics are the bad guys focus on them kindred
fluid knot
wowow, the heretics are the bad guys focus on them kindred
Have you been on this discord before? Sadly sometimes a difference of opinion is all it takes
thorn tapir
yea.... 😦
potent echo
It's just the one thing though
steel flame
I hope surge gets a new crit based blessing in the update
I need even more jacked m1s
potent echo
There definitely will be more crit based teats
fluid knot
I hope thats a thing for all classes tbh
At least if they sort out the botched crit calculations
mossy canopy
I'm asking because I feel incredibly stupid and only recently learnt how to do i...
Holy shit I'm not the only one! I got to the point I was running damnation/heresy before I learned you could active quell outside of the F, made getting the save yourself from going boom pennence really easy lol
azure veldt
Holy shit I'm not the only one! I got to the point I was running damnation/heres...
Thank the Emperor I'm not alone 🙏
mossy canopy
As you can see, that was litterally me 3 months ago
azure veldt
I think FatShark really need to improve their in game explanations of certain mechanics - I.e. auspex use. It took me a few runs before I realised/learnt how to equip it.
All these experiences have me concerned there's more stuff I'm missing and yet to learn.
Most / if not all of my growth comes from watching YT vids or asking questions on Reddit 
spice veldt
p much
very barebones tutorial with a piece of wrong information (the stuff about toughness)
lack of a glossary
not even a tutorial for when you open up the crafting stuff
no explanation about the ratings, modifications, and all that jazz
very annoying to just not have any in-game resources
potent echo
And all the online resources are so spread out 
azure veldt
Yes. And blessings text... especially in its current gobbledegook state 😅
viral inlet
I think FatShark really need to improve their in game explanations of certain me...
The prompt to equip the auspex scanner shows up at the bottom of the screen the moment you're allowed to scan
azure veldt
I know Mechanicus is lore but I'm not yet inducted into the Cult of the Messiah
viral inlet
And all the online resources are so spread out <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
It'd be cool if Darktide had its own ranalds.gift yeah lol
azure veldt
The prompt to equip the auspex scanner shows up at the bottom of the screen the ...
Yes - but if you're new to the game, a small and brief prompt gets lost in the noise of a horde genre.
I'm fighting for my noob life- I need to be spoon-fed a luminous very large cue ideally with an audio description.
Battle blindness for someone less than 5 hours into Darktide and horde shooter genre in general is a very real problem.
thorn tapir
anyone remember the loot from vermintide 1? tbh i really miss rolling the dice and the big screen. vermintide 2's just didn't do it for me like VT1.
viral inlet
Battle blindness for someone less than 5 hours into Darktide and horde shooter g...
fair enough, that's just something you can deal with over time and with more experience 👍
queen fog
yea used to have a lil icon for the auspex equip, now it’s not there
viral inlet
anyone remember the loot from vermintide 1? tbh i really miss rolling the dice a...
Rolling the dice in a metal bucket was the epitome of RNG lol
at least in V2 you get three weapons per chest instead of just one
thorn tapir
i never got a red weapon... 😭
harsh urchin
i never got a red weapon... 😭
gotta play more legend 😄
harsh urchin
full book+grim?
thorn tapir
yea
harsh urchin
unlucky lol
they were pretty rare out of the commendation chests but I actually dropped a lot of reds from legend chests
thorn tapir
i miss some of the vt1 maps a lot
the wizard tower map was so awesome
and the grain harvesting side mission always got so hectic
wish they could have been ported over to vt2
cyan notch
the wizard tower map was so awesome
theres some bits of this in tower of treachery
but yea its was cool
worn canopy
I also miss the boat mission.
blissful dirge
I kinda wanna mess around with a Blazing Spirit/Bloodthirsty combo. Is it any good? or is just default slaughter better?
still hearth
It's not worth it rn. Maybe next patch.
blissful dirge
Is it just preference what I pair with slaughter or do I go complete overkill with like Unstable Power?
cyan notch
up to u yea
covert stream
It’s hard to beat Slaughterer on any weapon that can accommodate it
manic halo
I would use it
cyan notch
absolutely
blissful dirge
gotta get my Deimos up to par soon. but I dont wanna dip into my cash reserves too hard D:
lyric burrow
Yeah thats fine
Id go maniac personally over flak
Just cause illisi special ignores armor mods iirc
still hearth
https://i.gyazo.com/075fb1774184a71d9c7c0a67ba2ed534.png
I've literally ran a gray illisi in auric so its probably fine
That weapon is definitely the most cracked melee rn
fluid knot
Much prefer Deimos tbh
blissful dirge
I swap between the two based on staff.
fluid knot
Not bad at all, if Clowndron dont botch it i might play Surge for a bit
potent echo
Only 5 blessings, hadron should be nice
lyric burrow
Only 5 yet terrifying barrage is neccasary
royal falcon
digital narwhal
Not bad at all, if Clowndron dont botch it i might play Surge for a bit
Terrifying Barrage + Run N Gun
Take it or leave it
tropic lagoon
I hope that the psyker walls don't end up being the new meta. I want to go on funny scrier's rampage
But I fully expect 1 way walls to be the new meta
shrewd comet
thinking a couple sniper shots at the wall would knock it down
tropic lagoon
They didn't mention whether or not it would be destructible
tropic lagoon
I really hope that empowered psionics has stacking charges
I'd love to have 5 nuclear brain ruptures ready to go against a boss
digital narwhal
thinking a couple sniper shots at the wall would knock it down
Nah, it’s got a timer
shrewd comet
its gonne be clutch as heck then lol
tropic lagoon
yeah, probably, with options to turn it into a dome or have multiple charges
shrewd comet
dealing with ranged mobs while being a purgatus staff user is obnoxious, so this'll come in handy
tropic lagoon
unless venting shreak gets some very interesting modifiers, i doubt it will keep up
digital narwhal
I think your best bet for Purgatus might still be Venting Shriek
for ranged enemies maybe run Assail
shrewd comet
also, whats the range for the shriek?
digital narwhal
Looks to be pretty great at clearing them out from what we saw in the Trailer
digital narwhal
also, whats the range for the shriek?
Should be what we have now
tropic lagoon
P sure venting shriek is literally just psykinetics wrath
shrewd comet
idk what it is NOW
digital narwhal
It is, yeah
shrewd comet
xD
digital narwhal
Ah; it’s the push that Quell’s 50% Peril
Psykinetic’s Wrath is being renamed to Venting Shriek
tropic lagoon
so you'll probably get a modifier to make it soulblaze and maybe one to make your blitzes faster and stronger
digital narwhal
I think Purgatus users might get most use out of Venting Shriek and Assail from what we know from the Dev Blog, and from what we’ve seen in the Trailer
shrewd comet
though i have found a new love for the auto pistol...
tropic lagoon
Hard to justify that when telekin shield will have "There are options to deploy multiple shields, to have specials stagger when trying to pass through, and options to exchange the wall for a dome."
digital narwhal
Immediate CC on a 30 Second Cooldown that vents half of your maximum Peril whilst letting you keep stacks of Warp Flurry is still pretty great
tropic lagoon
Eh. ranged dudes are the problem for most gameplay. So a shield giving you 15s to snipe ranged dudes while enemies walking through your wall get staggered is p good too
and it's only a 40s cd
digital narwhal
That’s what you’d use Assail for
Assail is a head-seeking auto-aim magic missile from what we’ve seen
tropic lagoon
Though I'd love to see scrier's gaze + warp nexus + the extra projectile on crit thing
digital narwhal
One shots Dreg Bruisers in the trailer, and so it should 100% one shot shooters too
tropic lagoon
ye but the shield is for buying you time and safely letting you snipe
digital narwhal
On an auto aim Blitz?
tropic lagoon
still hard to prioritize when you are chain suppressed
digital narwhal
On an auto aim Blitz?
vestal fulcrum
Telekine shield will mostly see use in scripted ranged encounters during events, IMO, as your team might be occupied enough with other threats to pay attention to a group of shooters suddenly overwhelming you
spice veldt
at least Psyker doesn't care about suppression
digital narwhal
^
tropic lagoon
carefully
digital narwhal
You don’t have to be careful, you just have to not be an idiot tbh
spice veldt
ranged enemies are a threat on certain areas like magistrati and matrix when they can surround you, but otherwise they're whatever since they don't push you that much
or if the team breaks line of sight, making them push you in a close spaces where it's easy to just melee them if you really need to
digital narwhal
We have Duelling Swords and Knives for movement, Deflector FSs for blocking, Trauma Staff for stagger, Surge for stun, etc.
It’s not hard to find safety vs shooters as a Psyker
So yeah, as Arcotash is saying
Shield would best be used during events
Also, I still think Venting Shriek + Assail will be the play for Purgatus users
As is what the original conversation was about
vestal fulcrum
You also have teammates
digital narwhal
This too
regal jasper
Im so excited
vestal fulcrum
Teammates can probably kill shooters for/with you, sometimes
vestal fulcrum
Also, I still think Venting Shriek + Assail will be the play for Purgatus users
Brain Burst will still remain a strong blitz in this setup, IMO
digital narwhal
You guys reckon Brain Rupture, Smite, or Assail might pair best with Trauma?
digital narwhal
Brain Burst will still remain a strong blitz in this setup, IMO
True, but Assail does seem like a more well rounded choice
vestal fulcrum
It all kind of depends what kind of threat you want to kill quickly or efficiently
digital narwhal
Let’s you use your Blitz as your mid range general option without being slow, like with Brain Rupture
digital narwhal
It all kind of depends what kind of threat you want to kill quickly or efficient...
Fair
vestal fulcrum
I don’t mind shooters with Purgatus most of the time, but I see value in Assail if you can’t flank them or just close the gap
