psyker-class

[blazing echo]

The Gorgon staggers crushers with a couple of rounds, you sure your Oggy isnt just buying the rest of the team a little time?

[rocky cedar]

Technically does against infested but that's basically never relevant so 🤷‍♂️

[plucky flax]

Trauma doesnt do full damage against infested?

[spice veldt]

75%

[plucky flax]

With 80% damage still kill poxwalkers in 1 full charge blast.

So aye that's irrelevant.

[spice veldt]

with 380 you're missing out on a bit

[cyan notch]

itll help your teammate spamming mg12 vs a crusher

[spice veldt]

with 71% or more dmg, it'll only take 2 warp charges tho

(and 3 warp charges if you have 58% or more damage)

[cyan notch]

warp unleashed ez clap

0 stacks kill

(i dont actually know the numbers)

[spice veldt]

prolly with good enuff dmg

[plucky flax]

Eh my 80% damage staff kill poxwalker with 0 warp charge 0 peril.

Just checked it in the meatgrinder.

[spice veldt]

with WU?

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

I never take that talent off.

[fluid knot]

To be honest bud, i kinda suspect them to revisit crafting an rework it in the future, particularly when all the patches related to it have been essentially band-aids to slightly lessen how obtuse it is. They also wanted something vastly different to how it ended up, much like skill trees

[vestal fulcrum]

Big damage stat is not needed for that, even

[spice veldt]

true, our crafting stuff could also be a band-aid

[vestal fulcrum]

I have like a 60-something trauma and it also can effortlessly kill Poxwalkers, although it requires full charges more often than not

[spice veldt]

one of my other hopiums is a UI rework

because we had a better psyker peril meter in the closed beta

[fluid knot]

Oh?

[spice veldt]

and i assume that they were in the middle of doing UI stuff but haven't gotten around to it

[fluid knot]

How did it work before?

[plucky flax]

I always full charge for the big fire spread with wildfire.

Oops I said it.

[spice veldt]

dis thingy

[vestal fulcrum]

This is the way

[plucky flax]

The wildfire police are coming.

[fluid knot]

Hmm, something between that an what we have now would be good

[spice veldt]

yeah

[vestal fulcrum]

I still don’t understand why that UI element disappeared

[spice veldt]

i personally have hudtweaker so I can always remove the things i don't like

[fluid knot]

Eh, its one of those, i can understand why some dont like it because it can be hella janky, but in the right setup it can also be very valuable

[plucky flax]

I don't have any issue with the current peril counter.

Red number = more damage.

[spice veldt]

maybe the bar moved too much with how peril currently works

[vestal fulcrum]

Red zone = I am truly dangerous (to myself and my team)

[spice veldt]

since you generated and quelled peril significantly slower in the closed beta

[plucky flax]

Sedition level player UI here.

[fluid knot]

Despite the not-great UI element, the way peril functions now is pretty good overall

[vestal fulcrum]

25% BBs where are you now

[spice veldt]

some better color change thresholds would've been nice

i modded crosshairhud's peril meter for some better color thresholds at 97% and 100%
https://streamable.com/5y7cji

[plucky flax]

The offset UI kills me.

[spice veldt]

good

perish

i figure that my right eye is the dominant eye so i might as well have it to the right

and it's flush with the charging bar that way

[near wyvern]

Yup. All I need is to look at the number if it's 85 or 97. 85 is safe for my trauma to max charge and 97 is safe to BB without ult.

[still hearth]

This is how I feel every time I share my completely factual and definitely not subjective findings about staffs here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155274566873120900/1155274748306149416/TwLvbMB.mp4?ex=65135ff3&is=65120e73&hm=bebab8d92337bb426f94d1ca824dca72cdf7dbeb8d8b3e2186f339996bf5ff77&

[spice veldt]

functional but it looks a little out of place, and I don't need to have my eyes directly on the bar to get a general idea of what my peril is at

e.g., as with stamina and health/toughness

[cyan notch]

insane person

[still hearth]

Tbh the only thing I need to know about peril

Is whether I'll blow up if I release it

[spice veldt]

fuck i'm dumb

i put emojis on the wrong comment

oh well

[fluid knot]

[spice veldt]

you get to live another day, blooddrunk

[potent echo]

Wait there's a mod that changes the charge bar color after fully charged?

[spice veldt]

that's the peril meter from crosshairhud i think

i've forgotten how the default peril meter looks now

[plucky flax]

Don't do it when it's 97.8% D:

[cyan notch]

its just a skull with numbers underneath

[lucid terrace]

Force greatsword better come out tomorrow

[vestal fulcrum]

Why tomorrow of all days to release a force great sword?

[lucid terrace]

Idk, devs just felt like it

[upper galleon]

no new weapons as far as we know next update

xbox launch, talent trees, and blessing balance+ the standard bugfixes and stability (attempted) fixes

[keen harbor]

thoughts?

[regal jasper]

Thats so beautiful

I love voidstrike

[keen harbor]

what blessings do I want on this one?
I think I'll swap out 8% elite for flak

[regal jasper]

Idk much about blessings but peril transfer(?) is really good on voidstrike

[upper galleon]

sustained fire to warp nexus, elites to crit chance

or change both blessings to flurry + transfer peril

[keen harbor]

crit build, cool

[upper galleon]

and keep the perks

the 2nd one is probably better but

🤷

fun is fun and meta won't matter in a week

[regal jasper]

True

[keen harbor]

fun build it is

[north pike]

This stick worth considering siblings?

[fierce crest]

what other mods u got

for ui

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[fierce crest]

[bold patrol]

New staff

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike is such a good staff

[cyan notch]

sustained fire and elite damage probably not that optimal

[feral verge]

Warp flurry + whatever the peril reduction on headshot is called blessings are best in slot on void strike by far

Anything else is mid or shit

[golden frigate]

you sound like somebody who hasn't yet received the blaze void gospel

[lunar hollow]

pot meet kettle

[feral verge]

You will be eradicated

[lunar hollow]

many have tried

[feral verge]

I am your annihilation

[lunar hollow]

that many have failed

[feral verge]

Oh don't take my quote

[lunar hollow]

cultural appropriation

[feral verge]

You have no culture

You uncouth swine

[lunar hollow]

well u said that after i stole yours

so uh

get owned buddy

[golden frigate]

there's enough culture for everybody on the blaze void way

[regal jasper]

Wtf is happening here

[native cedar]

I think it is psyker talk, but it does sound... off if it weren't for that

[bold patrol]

I think it’s the best staff

[regal jasper]

It is

You are correst

Everyone else is wrong

[golden frigate]

how wouldn't it be the best staff

[bold patrol]

Its the most versatile

[regal jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-im-sayin-like-thats-what-im-sayin-gif-24363099

[golden frigate]

lightning staff? mediocre. knockdown staff? as usueless as your teammates. fire staff? subpar.

[regal jasper]

I love voidstrike almost as much as i love gale

And that’s saying something

[bold patrol]

Close range it’s a shotgun, long range its a grenade sniper

[golden frigate]

and it never fails to light rooms blue

which is the most important thing

[bold patrol]

Of course

more blue more beautiful

Flame staff is only good for hoards I’ll die on this hill

[golden frigate]

it would be only good for hordes if there wasn't void. throw ~5 balls per second to their faces and clear rooms in half the time

[cyan notch]

if u need to get rid of hoards of stuff then a flamethtower will probably be good

[golden frigate]

it then becomes subpar, outclassed, and unadvisable

[still hearth]

That's a weird hill to die on, but at least you're dead.

Honestly though I'd love to hear what makes you think that.

[cyan notch]

https://reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/BclSzhXUmN

[gilded viper]

Oh dear, is it that time of the week already?

[cyan notch]

no this a repost

[golden frigate]

we're just missing the COPEATUS USERS WHERE guy

[broken carbon]

worst opinion ever spotted

[lunar hollow]

im actually the worst staff

its time to confess

[broken carbon]

ur saying people hold and use you??!????

we don’t need to know that man

ur weirrddddd

[lunar hollow]

i wish

[broken carbon]

LMAO

(real)

[regal jasper]

So true

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[dawn wolf]

I'll squeeze you til you pop like a BB, bb

[lunar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/trents-mashed-potatoes-gif-tub-powder-gif-14903171

[lunar hollow]

lmao

[dawn wolf]

lmao

[broken carbon]

lmao

[cyan notch]

lmao

[indigo portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pufferfish-the-fog-is-coming-the-fog-smile-fish-gif-25782045

[thorn cedar]

josho is actually the ultimate flamer

[upper galleon]

lmao

[still hearth]

This is my favorite post.

[regal jasper]

So real for that

[still hearth]

"Hinders the vision of veterans"

The guys that gets to toggle on outlines

And shouldn't even be where you're flaming anyways

Since you're flaming

So they can just stand behind you if they're so inclined

[bold patrol]

It’s not good at long range

[fluid knot]

Guy is kinda right in the context of Purga being the least versatile tho

[bold patrol]

Void Strike 4 isn’t as strong against hoards but its much better at range while still being effective against hoards

[fluid knot]

You can achieve solid burn with Blazing on both Void an Trauma, only neither of they are witheld to being obnoxiously short ranged

[still hearth]

Ah yes.

[still hearth]

Look I think Voidstrike is second best staff but its just not good enough at murdering hordes to make up for it.

Purg just kills everything. All of it. At the same time.

[upper galleon]

voidstrike is abd vs hordes

it's actually, the worst staff rn

[fluid knot]

Void is strongest against horde compared to anything else. Its pretty measly when it comes to dealing with specials outside some minor CC, its similar to Purga in that its kinda geared for hordes. That being said, you can indeed kill said horde at any distance an still be able to poke shooters

[still hearth]

Lmao

[upper galleon]

it has 7 damage cap

[still hearth]

Void isn't even strongest against hordes

[upper galleon]

the only reason it sometimes works vs horde is a bug

[still hearth]

It kills 7 poxwalkers per shot and you need to have warp flurry stacked to use it.

[bold patrol]

Void isn’t but it’s still more versatile

[upper galleon]

where the void projectile gets unlimited pen

[fluid knot]

In terms of its damage profile you'll have more luck killing horde with it than everything else

[cyan notch]

wat

[still hearth]

The only versatility void has is that you can occasionally hit stuff from far away and kill them

[upper galleon]

void isn't bad, but it's, on par with surge

BB is your sniper tool. maybe in the update void staff will get some love

[bold patrol]

Voidstrike melts through hoards

[upper galleon]

but RN trauma is king

[fluid knot]

I dispute this target cap thing quite heavily tbh, at least when i use fully charged shots it seems to cleave through a lot more than 6 or 7

[upper galleon]

7 poxwalkers at a time?

[still hearth]

Voidstrike melts through hordes

[upper galleon]

it's a bug

basically, void will randomly pen infinite

[still hearth]

Damn its also bugged

[upper galleon]

but relying on that is dumb

[still hearth]

Is that why it made the massive explosion noise

[cyan notch]

purg handles hordes way better

[upper galleon]

purge melts through hordes and spreads wildfire

[cyan notch]

no that shit was an audio bug

[still hearth]

Don't take wildfire though its a lie.

[fluid knot]

Way better in close range, you're not killing anything at any distance

[upper galleon]

and has good unstoppable damage so you can bounce between BB and burning monsters

[cyan notch]

hordes are close range tho

[upper galleon]

it isn't in auric damn

[fluid knot]

Nah, I take Wildfire an WnR, kinda slaps once it gets going

[still hearth]

How are you consinstantly trying to kill things 19m+ away

[fluid knot]

Not all the time

[still hearth]

I'm literally constantly

[upper galleon]

wildfire scales with enemy density

[still hearth]

In close range with anything

[fluid knot]

You can often wipe a good portion of it with Void before it gets within bonkin distance

[cyan notch]

yes all the time when it matters

[still hearth]

Yeah but its hard capped and you're already mowing down the horde so...

[upper galleon]

I don't go WaW cause well

10% damage up to 25% is better

[bold patrol]

it does

[upper galleon]

it's really not

when it spreads through shooters and shit

on maelstroms i've had snipers lit on fire

from chaining wildifre

in normal damnation 6 charges is better

[still hearth]

I mean we've literally tried it several times so unless they messed up something after I left for a while

[upper galleon]

but higher and higher density (also map dependant, wildfire likes tight maps)

[upper galleon]

uhh

psyker got a big talent overhaul

[still hearth]

Alright fine I'll go into psykarnum

[upper galleon]

wildfire, WaW, ascendant got fixed

psykanium isn't really accurate to what wildfire does in game

it's hard to describe, it just lets you top the damage charts

[patent steeple]

btw I actually met a revolver psyker in Auric today, they were running illisi while I was running deimos & purg, and I died constantly, mostly because I very much suck at dealing with melee situations with deimos...

[upper galleon]

deimos is great in melee?

[bold patrol]

Wild fire is good but is it better than kinetic flayer?

[still hearth]

Yeah but damage doesn't mean much

[still hearth]

On Purg every time lmao

Kinetic Flayer is the worst option there

[fluid knot]

The distribution from Wildfire an WnR becomes infinitely more valuable in hiSTG/Maelstrom where you need as much damage being pushed out as possible at any given moment. It doesnt matter that its not a huge amount to start with, once it starts spooling up it reaches very good overall output

[upper galleon]

flayer is a joke off like, a full auto psyker

[patent steeple]

*in hordes, since no sweeping attack...

[cyan notch]

its the same shit

[still hearth]

So people are somehow mistaking how it works?

[fluid knot]

Imo, psykahnium is a bad place to test something that relies on volume anyway tbh

[still hearth]

I mean its nice to spread damage so people don't have to have optimal weapon 2000 to reach breakpoints.

[upper galleon]

see I don't go WnR cause A) I don't BB unless needed cause I want to apply burn stacks and B) warp unleashed gives 25% more damage on everything

[still hearth]

But the first few stacks of fire is not that great.

[upper galleon]

it's not hard limited in anyway except number of stacks

and vs squishier targets i only need 2-3 passthroughs to start killing trash shooters, not including direct damage sources

[bold patrol]

With a burn build wrack and ruin is good, otherwise its garbage.

[upper galleon]

well duh we are talking burn rn

[still hearth]

Wrack and Ruin is pretty much always the worst option.

[cyan notch]

why theres volume there

[fluid knot]

I use pretty much selectively Void, so using BB is part an parcel, you have to do so to cover the staves weakness' vs specials, the thing with WnR is the functionally uncapped stack limit, i beleive there is one, but not one you can reach in any actual ingame situation

[upper galleon]

it's the same thing as ogryn rumbler

it scales into higher density

[bold patrol]

sure but goofy ah ah fire

[fluid knot]

Not at all, you can stack significantly more DoTs on targets surrounding what you burst than even the purga can put out

The more specialists there are in a mission, the more value it holds

[still hearth]

Uh- okay.

If you say so.

[cyan notch]

thats not what i was talking about when i replied to vanessa

[still hearth]

I'm sure the 3s charge time means that it stacks more fire than Purge which stacks 3 soulblaze per second in a 19m cone.

[upper galleon]

rumbler was considered shit before auric update cause it sucked in normal damnation, then when auric dropped rumbler and wildfire found usefullness in the denser difficulty

[fluid knot]

You take KB aswell...

[upper galleon]

hmm if I'm BB'ing often i just go the normal KB build

and take warp unleashed

[still hearth]

Okay so you're not even running the burn build.

[fluid knot]

Say there is a mixed horde including Ogryns, you burst the three Ogryns, an everything else around them dies

[still hearth]

But why not take +25% damage then so you can oneshot more things with BB

[fluid knot]

Because it spreads the damage an when enemy volume is that heavy, thats more valuable in most situations than just picking one thing off at a time

[still hearth]

Or I press F with AB

And then BB the Ogryn anyway

[bold patrol]

yeah but most things die instantly anyway after you burst it

[still hearth]

While everything dies

[fluid knot]

I dont rate AB personally

[upper galleon]

not in damn

BB has to work to get breakpoints

warp unleashed, 6 charges, something

[fluid knot]

One at a time, or that thing you just bursted and all his little pals... im taking the later every single time

[upper galleon]

you need one or the other imo. I might try WnR again

but WU was fixed to buff soulblaze so i swapped to it and never looked back

[bold patrol]

true

[upper galleon]

felt better for wildfire

[fluid knot]

Do, hiSTG + Maelstrom is where it starts to overtake other options

[upper galleon]

i mean, I run exclusively hi stg or maelstrom

[bold patrol]

I’m mostly playing Heresy

[upper galleon]

but your build is a bit unique

[upper galleon]

yea that explains a bit thanks

[fluid knot]

Kinda. Its just "jack of all trades" mentality built

[upper galleon]

anyways, trauma also exists

and trauma has 2 viablo builds, blazing nexus or rending flurry

[still hearth]

Voidstrike but also WnR but also Kinetic Barrage.

[fluid knot]

Blazing/Nexus Void, WnR, Wildfire, KB

[bold patrol]

trauma is very mid tho

[upper galleon]

i have 3 builds, one for guns with KF, one for fire, and one for KB

[upper galleon]

it's great

best staff RN

[still hearth]

This is the weirdest thing I have ever heard.

[still hearth]

Don't believe the trauma stans

[upper galleon]

blazing build can match purge in fire spreading cause it actually kills things

[fluid knot]

It'd be considered "off-meta" by most, but its highly effective

[still hearth]

They are all melee psykers

[bold patrol]

by great you mean mid

[upper galleon]

just don't use trauma on the front of the horde

[cyan notch]

wrack is ok but then u give up warp unleashed and then if u dont get the kill its oof

[upper galleon]

your melee will not appreciate it

[upper galleon]

you play heresy and think void melts hordes

[still hearth]

I doubt it but if you say so.

[upper galleon]

a 7 target cap weapon

[bold patrol]

yes

[still hearth]

I mean

Void does melt

[upper galleon]

that you need to full charge

[still hearth]

Heresy hordes

[bold patrol]

skill issue

[upper galleon]

you melt hordes compared to surge i guess

🤷

[fluid knot]

The thing is WnR is always as good as it is because its not witheld to a peril counter. Sure WU is also extremely valuable, but ehh, even if you dont immediately get the kill, everything around what you burst is fucked an it doesnt take much to finish them off

Single target vs spread

[still hearth]

I maxed out Voidstrike does do pretty well against hordes in ideal conditions because of the explosion

[upper galleon]

but that is surge which isn't even a weapon, it's just a utility tool in your weapon slot

[still hearth]

But is it faster than Purg? Lmao no

[upper galleon]

it does well

but it's slower than what trauma and purge can do

especially if you don't get lucky and never hit a bugged void shot

[fluid knot]

Not by the massive gulf people make it out to be tho

[upper galleon]

void is just in an awkward spot

[still hearth]

Infinite cleave vs 7 targets

[upper galleon]

it's not even bad

[still hearth]

Yeah no there's not a massive gulf

I'm sure

[fluid knot]

It could use a buff for sure, but its far from bad as people make out it is

Thats pure cope

[still hearth]

Listen its not even that Void is terrible

[cyan notch]

sometimes it matters theresbig difference between 1 shotting flamers and bursters vs leaving them 1 hp

[upper galleon]

better accuracy and more cleave cap

[still hearth]

Purg is just OP

[upper galleon]

would make it nice

and giving crit synergy in feats

[fluid knot]

hehe, no

[still hearth]

hehe, yes

[fluid knot]

Purg is a one trick pony

[upper galleon]

so more people likely to run surge+nexus as a sidegrade

[still hearth]

Purg's trick

[upper galleon]

yes and so is heavy sword

[still hearth]

Literally wins every game

Damn

What a loss

[upper galleon]

just know when to pull out melee or BB which you should be practicing juggling anyways

cause it's core to psyker performance

[fluid knot]

It doesnt tho.. i see more faliure rates in Maelstrom from Purga Psykers than any other stave user personally

[cyan notch]

mixed hordes with elites in front? void gonna do 2 damage and not pierce

[still hearth]

And Purg can stagger anything but maulers and crushers that other staffs can.

[still hearth]

Okay, but have you considered

That people are bad?

[upper galleon]

i mean, there is also a popularity factor

[still hearth]

I lose more games with meta builds because most people play them

And do poorly

[upper galleon]

basically, popular weapons will be dragged down because the average person is stupid and bad

[fluid knot]

Thats why Blazing is best in slot for Void imo, 3 ticks from the hit, 3 ticks from the explosions, so you're instantly pushing out enough DoT power to start killing things

[upper galleon]

kanty shotgun isn't better than shredder autopistol or bolter on veteran

but kanty had a higher winrate than both in hi stg

[cyan notch]

so…. worse purge with extra steps?

[still hearth]

No because

Rangeee

[upper galleon]

yea... trauma blazing is better

[still hearth]

You can shoot one shooter sometimes

[fluid knot]

Not really, its got reach, Purga is like a ten foot cone an thats it

[still hearth]

It's a 19m cone

[upper galleon]

the 8.4 meter lighting everything up it even staggers

is huge

[still hearth]

But same thing I guess

[upper galleon]

you got purge and trauma blazing to compete with

[whole oxide]

it can stagger one of them, not a whole pack of 10+

[still hearth]

Idk I tried it and trauma blaze never did anything before my team already took everything

[still hearth]

???

[fluid knot]

Trauma is pretty gud for sure

[still hearth]

Purg has no reduced stagger on multiple targets

[upper galleon]

need to stack crit like a weirdo

[cyan notch]

the range is really not that big a deal

[whole oxide]

you aren't going to stagger a pack of 10 elites with purg

[upper galleon]

nexus 4+ crit chance perk and you are on 30% (same with void

[upper galleon]

??? purge stagger doesn't fall off

and you have F

and a sword

[still hearth]

Uh yes?

Just line them up

And if you don't have them grouped up

No other staff do that either??

[whole oxide]

if they line up perfectly, sure, but that isn't a real scenario

[fluid knot]

Only difference there is Void puts the DoTs out much faster in exchange for lower direct damage

[upper galleon]

move, lol

[fluid knot]

Idek if Trauma has an effective quell cancel tbh

[still hearth]

Okay but they're apparently in a tight formation enough that other staffs can stagger them

[upper galleon]

ehh pretty sure void and trauma have the same charge time

[still hearth]

lol

[whole oxide]

trauma/surge will stagger packs of elites that purg can't

[upper galleon]

and trauma is a massive fucking aoe

[fluid knot]

Yes, but quell cancel on Void is rapid

[upper galleon]

surge LMAO

surge mentioned

[fluid knot]

You can shit out tons of balls in not long at all

[cyan notch]

u can just flame like 180 deg in front of u

[upper galleon]

yee but that's like saying evi is good horde clear cause you can h1 qq h1 qq

[still hearth]

Trauma actually charges faster

But somehow it feels slower

[upper galleon]

it's weird and most players aren't gonna pick up on it

[still hearth]

Probably because the long animation after you cast

[cyan notch]

void is ultra fast with min charge quell cancel to fish for blazing stacks

but u gotta macro that shit or have rsi

[fluid knot]

Not really, sure quell cancelling is a little bit weird, but its another tool on whats basically the "Swiss army knife" staff, loads of different ways to use it across all ranges an situations, for that you pay in direct damage hits

[whole oxide]

go into psykanium, spawn 6 ragers, turn invisibility off. with surge/trauma this fight is trivial, you don't even have to move. with purg, while it's do-able, it is not easy or quick

[still hearth]

Damn

Surge

In a 6 people situation

Is trivial??

SHOCKER

[whole oxide]

and the reason its trivial is that purg can't keep those 6 ragers staggered when they spread out

[fluid knot]

Haha, Deimos go brrrr

[cyan notch]

u dont have to move with purg either

[upper galleon]

surge trivial

LMAOOOO

[still hearth]

Why are they spreading out when they're meant to run at you?

[upper galleon]

yea glacially slowe

[whole oxide]

because thats what the AI does

[upper galleon]

and failing if there is more than 6 things on your screen

[whole oxide]

the AI is programmed to spread out slightly

[still hearth]

They don't run around to flank you lol

[upper galleon]

ehh?

[still hearth]

Yeah that's still fine

[fluid knot]

In all seriousness, Surge is probably the weakest staff in a vaccum

[whole oxide]

just go and try it if you don't believe

[still hearth]

Surge is the weakest staff in practice

[upper galleon]

this is such a shit test

[fluid knot]

Its super good when there is supporting stuff

But without that.. yeah it hurts

[upper galleon]

surge is a utility staff that has only one damage scenario

and that is scab shooters

[still hearth]

If your team needs support they're playing crappy shit and should use better builds

[upper galleon]

in fact, it's the best weapon for scab stalkers in the game

[still hearth]

[fluid knot]

In normal Damnation sure, less so in Hi-STG and upwards

[upper galleon]

every "surge" game I play is KB build and I swap between sword and BB constantly

[still hearth]

Its even worse in Hi-STG

[fluid knot]

In those two difficulties you often live an die as a team, the support isnt a weakness, often a nessesity

[still hearth]

Idk what you're talking about

[whole oxide]

my point about the 6 ragers scenario is that purg is incapable of keeping even this number of things staggered. purg stagger is kinda shit

[still hearth]

It literally gets worse the more enemies exist

[cyan notch]

it is tho

[upper galleon]

not saying it isn't good as a utility option if you know what you are doing, but majority of surge players just spam into hordes thinking they are helping

[cyan notch]

have u tried lmb

[thorn cedar]

yea just left click em before they start to combo

[upper galleon]

but it does

[whole oxide]

have you?

[still hearth]

The only reason Surge isn't garbage

[whole oxide]

go and try it, and record it, i'll be here

[still hearth]

Is because you run Illisi

[upper galleon]

Lmao surge simp here

[still hearth]

And Illisi just wins

[cyan notch]

yea

[upper galleon]

to flame purge staff, deja vu

[fluid knot]

Thats kinda the point... the number of builds that can single handedly deal with every situation Maelstrom or STG can thow at you can be counted on half of one hand and they often include broken shit

[upper galleon]

i literally use purge and surge in hi stg, I need to get a better trauma and void staff but rn i have no will to keep playing

[whole oxide]

you aren't keeping 6 ragers staggered with LMB. by the time all are staggered, first is off stagger and swinging again

[upper galleon]

before oct 4th

[still hearth]

So you pick the ones that can deal with the most important factors.

[upper galleon]

what

[still hearth]

Which is not Surge

[upper galleon]

you just slide around and kite

it's really easy

[whole oxide]

yeah, exactly, you have to run away

[upper galleon]

you can easily do 20 ragers

on purge

and you can't on surge

so fuck off

[whole oxide]

you aren't just keeping them staggered

[fluid knot]

As a general rule no, but in modifiers like the waves or muties of poxbursters, it holds a lot of value, but it doesnt change the fact it needs team support to really shine

[upper galleon]

purge probably kills quicker too

[whole oxide]

the stagger is basically a non-issue, you're fighting them with all your other tools

[upper galleon]

the stagger is basically a non-issue

https://tenor.com/view/saki-kasukabe-anime-genshiken-head-desk-headpalm-gif-16778781

[whole oxide]

dude, just go into psyk now, and try fighting 6 ragers with each staff, without getting hit

[upper galleon]

spawn 20

[still hearth]

Idk why the criteria is

"And not move"

[thorn cedar]

spawn 3000

[upper galleon]

purge, ez

surge? dead

[still hearth]

Why do you have to stand still to make a weapon good??

[thorn cedar]

because cadia stands

[upper galleon]

go play histg

with surge

as your primary

[still hearth]

This is just a random addition for no reason. Moving is key in this game

[whole oxide]

i didn't say it wasn't good, i said the stagger wasn't good

[upper galleon]

and link your scoreboard

[whole oxide]

you made a specific claim about the stagger

[fluid knot]

I mean for real though, there are not many situations where not manuvering round the level can be considered valuable anyway

[still hearth]

But it literally staggers anything in a line that isn't a mauler or crusher

How is that not good

[upper galleon]

but purge does stagger? Not as instantly or heavy as surge but it staggers LMAO

[whole oxide]

because it only staggers in a very narrow line

[upper galleon]

not shotgunners either but that's just cause shotgunners don't

[upper galleon]

get higher cloud radius

[still hearth]

Okay so stand around a corner

Or a hallway

[upper galleon]

lmao don't even entertain the narrow line comment

[whole oxide]

if you have to do all sorts of movement shennanigans to compensate, what does that say?

[upper galleon]

cloud radius on purge is huge and it ain't no narrow line

[thorn cedar]

that you understand positioning?

[still hearth]

Yeah walking 3m is an insane accomplishment

I agree

[fluid knot]

That you're willing to avoid getting boxed in unnecessarily?

[whole oxide]

obviously, you should try to avoid that, but, sometimes shit happens

[upper galleon]

no you don't get it, surge is better cause it can stun lock 6 ragers standing still, while purge has to kite 20 ragers to chain stagger

[thorn cedar]

like not to divert back to voidstaff, BUT IM GONNA, but its like saying it's bad because plinking off twenty separated enemies takes forever

[cyan notch]

maybe hes a camo vet enjoyer

[upper galleon]

[thorn cedar]

you just ... dont do that

[whole oxide]

you aren't going to chain stagger 20 ragers

[upper galleon]

yes you can

[whole oxide]

just go in with creature spawner right now and do it then

record it

[upper galleon]

it's really easy to slide

[thorn cedar]

you absolutely could

[upper galleon]

and move around

[upper galleon]

you still need to

[still hearth]

Nah man

[upper galleon]

🤷

[still hearth]

The only stagger that counts

Is perma CC

They never move

[thorn cedar]

once they stun too you can easily shift around to keep them aligned

[fluid knot]

Well i mean.. depends how useless your Vet is in all honesty 😅

[still hearth]

Which I also don't see how trauma will do that since they'll be spread out

[regal jasper]

Guys if you cant 1 shot a slime puppy on damnation with just your pinky finger you don’t know how to play psyker

[still hearth]

I guess you can fire it off under your feet?

[thorn cedar]

i'd just KB and BB tbh, less frustrating and you cant miss, yknow

[whole oxide]

trauma takes alot longer to recover from stagger than purg

[cyan notch]

(while not moving)

[fluid knot]

Aye, it is sometimes the way if they're pinning you down

[upper galleon]

(while not moving)

[near wyvern]

Err no, LMB staggers without having to kite...

[upper galleon]

oh for 6 sure

for 20? spread out like they would in a normal game,

you are gonna have to at least backpedal

[near wyvern]

Quell cancel exists

[upper galleon]

h1 qq h1 qq h1 qq

[upper galleon]

also thanks for jumping into the convo but I was being sarcastic

[near wyvern]

Just making sure no miss information is spread

[upper galleon]

anyways I made a comprehensive list of what surge can CC that no other staff can. Mutants.

thanks for listening

[cyan notch]

what about mister information

[upper galleon]

surge can kill 6 mutants without moving

😎

[still hearth]

I killed it with Purg so its now CC'd permanently

[upper galleon]

but i bet you had to move smh

[near wyvern]

He can be shared all you want

[still hearth]

No I play this game without moving

[queen fog]

Just to confirm for my small brain u cancel it via swapping to something else so the anim and slowed movement is “canceled” ye?

[cyan notch]

no u just press quell

[upper galleon]

quell cancel is a mechanic but I don't like counting it in testing

since the average player isn't going to naturally figure out how to quell cancel

it's inorganic

[queen fog]

So I’ve been doing it a fancy way for no reason

[thorn cedar]

you mean unorgasmic

[still hearth]

Quell cancelling is also liable to be removed

Like they killed our poor thunder hammer

Damn

I saw that

You were moving

[queen fog]

I love flame staff stagger

[still hearth]

Clearly unfair

[indigo portal]

idk seems fine

[thorn cedar]

silly exhil now do it while standing perfectly still and hopping on one foot

[whole oxide]

now try it with the armoured ones

[thorn cedar]

same result

[whole oxide]

i'm trying it now, and it seems theres a big difference between dreg and scab

[upper galleon]

lmaoo

[still hearth]

The armoured ones? The only ones that Surge can even hurt??

Damn

[cyan notch]

thats about 300 steps taken too many

[whole oxide]

i can produce the same result on the unarmoured ones, but not on the armoured

[upper galleon]

you moved so huhh

[whole oxide]

it doesn't stagger the same

[queen fog]

A tackle vs a light shove

[still hearth]

And this isn't even with quel cancelling

[queen fog]

I feel ya

[still hearth]

Smh

[upper galleon]

record it

[whole oxide]

i am, it'll take a moment to upload

[near wyvern]

No, you tap quelling and then release as soon as the animation changes:

https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY?si=M6W0duEtf7QNdcKs&start=155

Works on all staves

[queen fog]

Huh thank u for the video I’ll check it out when I’m back from college

Fingers crossed most of this info ain’t invalidated on the oct update

[indigo portal]

ok

[fluid knot]

Will be sad if i cant spam burn ball anymore

[cyan notch]

u can

just slower

[thorn cedar]

now do 360s between each cast

[still hearth]

It did take a fair bit longer to kill them tbf

[fluid knot]

We dont know yet

But yeah, at a "normal" rate if changed

[whole oxide]

but i'd like to see the same with the armoured ones

[indigo portal]

Because it staggered too good
Can't have shit without being aggressive.

[still hearth]

#psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

not armored

he's just standing still

still dregs

[still hearth]

Ahh

They looked so dark in the shadows

[teal needle]

Consider instead just running shredder and killing all 6 of those ragers in the time it takes to stunlock them through 1/4 of their health bars

[still hearth]

Yeah but

What do you do when there's 5000 poxwalkers

[cyan notch]

just use bolter lol

[still hearth]

You take out Illisi because its broken af

[teal needle]

Illi- yes that haha

[still hearth]

I'm too fast.

[near wyvern]

What do you do when there's 9000 poxbuesters?

[still hearth]

Surge

Oh wait

[still hearth]

[teal needle]

Press F to pay respects

[cyan notch]

trauma

[teal needle]

And push them into the veteran

[fluid knot]

Oh look, its the new Ogryn grenade 😄

[still hearth]

Alright I'll make a new tier list for staffs:
Purg
Trauma / Void
Surge

I'll take no questions.

[whole oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVRMvJhpSKs

[whole oxide]

that's what happens with the armoured ones, they don't stagger-lock, and spread out

[bold patrol]

Why is a mid staff on the top?

[whole oxide]

and purg stagger won't keep them away

[teal needle]

My beef with purg and surge is that you have to keep spamming them to cc, and why commit time to cc when you can just kill shit and move on

[still hearth]

[bold patrol]

[still hearth]

Yeah Purg doesn't kill stuff its true.

[patent steeple]

Look at my psyker staff collection! I named them just now.

[bold patrol]

Void strike>all other staffs

[whole oxide]

but maybe i'm doing it wrong, maybe you'll post a vid of easily stun-locked 6 armoured ragers

[languid tusk]

cant you just purge them then f to knock them back ?

[still hearth]

Heresy players don't get a say

[languid tusk]

you should do enough damage to kill them before they have time to come back and mess yoy up

[still hearth]

[bold patrol]

I just did a mission on damnation with my voidstrike with no issues

[still hearth]

Now do auric

Idk what you want

[languid tusk]

do monstrous specialist with 1 hand tied behind your back

[whole oxide]

if you have to use F to kill 6 ragers, it's not a strong argument for the staff being good. you can easily manage it with melee/BB, but, the point wasn't whether its possible to beat 6 ragers

[still hearth]

I put it up there with trauma

[indigo portal]

From what I'm seeing, it's looking like Warp Unleashed needs to be stacked first. I wasn't really here for the argument I just wanted an excuse to open the game. With specifically Scab Ragers and Maulers you'd want a Surge for killing them if they were only in groups of <6. Anything beyond that and the Surge staff suffers the same. I'd still rather take a Purge here since it can kill them fairly fast while also dealing with neighboring enemies, but the Surge would be better for isolated groups of a handful of flak armored enemies.

[still hearth]

If it doesn't work on 3 out of all the enemies in the game that other staffs can stagger that's kind of

Y'know

Okay

[bold patrol]

Damnation isn't even that hard so I don't know what the big deal was

[still hearth]

It staggers pretty much everything you need to stagger through literally anything

[whole oxide]

except it demonstrably doesn't. I'm not saying Purg is bad, its fine, it's good, but its stagger isn't what makes it good

[still hearth]

And it also has the craziest suppression out of all the staves

[still hearth]

But no one said its stagger is what makes it OP??

[bold patrol]

Why is it good?

I must be missing somthing

[still hearth]

Because it kills almost anything in a 19m cone, suppresses the rest and tucks you in at night.

And it can stagger most enemies that are annoying at a distance

[fluid knot]

Hey look, im a Void stan too, but it is not better than all other staves. Its more or less equal in some situations and downright bad in others. If we didnt have BrainBurst to cover its weakest aspects it wouldnt be so equal

[bold patrol]

Does it suck me off too?

[still hearth]

No, you suck it off.

[bold patrol]

L move

[still hearth]

Because its worth it

[bold patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-gif-24446563

Void strike sucks me

[cyan notch]

no surprise that infinite cleave staffs are better than the rest

[teal needle]

Imo purg and surge should both get way longer durations on their cc

[still hearth]

Kek

Purge has too much CC for how good it is

[upper galleon]

yea

[indigo portal]

I also picked up at some point that for some reason the Purge primary was being compared to the Surge secondary, so I wanted to add this to show the difference between the two primaries. Performs about the same.

[upper galleon]

surge needs a damage+ numbers buff

[still hearth]

Surge needs a rework

[upper galleon]

yee

[teal needle]

Id take damage too, but then it just becomes another trauma staff

[upper galleon]

but fatshark won't

[teal needle]

If it wants to have any identity the cc needs to be better

[bold patrol]

You could solo them with a sword

[upper galleon]

i just hope they add things like vt2 had where every class had damage bonuses to staggered enemies feat

[whole oxide]

because they're the stagger attacks on their respective staves?

[indigo portal]

That is not the point of the argument.

[languid tusk]

imagine if surge did purgatus damage

wow

[indigo portal]

It's a staff comparison.

[bold patrol]

I must have missed it

[upper galleon]

cause imo, in the game current state

[teal needle]

See stun + shock or chain-lightning-on-hit debuff would make surge interesting

[upper galleon]

zealot crusher needs to be thrown in the bin

[still hearth]

It's less about damage and more about the target cap as well.

[upper galleon]

if it made carapace enemies lightning rods

[whole oxide]

again, I'm not saying Purg is bad, but if you think it's stagger is even slightly comparable to surge/trauma, you haven't been playing hard enough

[teal needle]

Yeah that'd rule. As it is surge is a mid ass staff because spending time to spam cc means you're wasting time keeping a tiny portion of the fight in stasis

[indigo portal]

I could argue that Trauma is better than both by a large margin because it's stagger attack obliterates those ragers.

[cyan notch]

i play pretty hard

😏

[teal needle]

Trauma is pretty handily the best staff imo

[bold patrol]

What makes it better than voidstrike?

[whole oxide]

that its not limited to 6 targets, and can knock over things that void can only momentarilly stagger

[upper galleon]

no target limit

multiple viable builds

[teal needle]

Voidstrike does diddly to elites too

[upper galleon]

wide aoe, great self peel

better horde clear

void just has range

[bold patrol]

Range is too valuable to me

[teal needle]

I am a voidstrike fan but it really really doesnt compare 😦

[upper galleon]

but uhh before anyone takes adam seriously, he only plays on heresy and thinks void melts hordes

[upper galleon]

well you have BB

[bold patrol]

I don't actually

[teal needle]

I mean void does melt hordes 🥹

[whole oxide]

if only it actually did

[upper galleon]

like, i'm a BB fan but it's the worst staff overall, surge might suck but it's not a bad utility option if you don't use it like a primary

[fluid knot]

It does, it just sucks shit vs elites an specials

[teal needle]

(Huffs copium)

[bold patrol]

Damnation is generally easier I'm finding now because your team actually works together

[upper galleon]

7 target cap

[whole oxide]

it doesn't even melt hordes, a good blazing-trauma will match it easily

[upper galleon]

having to rely on a random bug for infinite cleave just to do the same amount of trauma and purge can do all the time

[upper galleon]

isn't that you just being carried?

like without scoreboard how do you know your own performance

[bold patrol]

Not quite buddy

[whole oxide]

scoreboard is misleading anyway, people get big damage farming hordes and think that means they're doing well

[bold patrol]

It's a team game, unless I'm playing a different game than you

[upper galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ftVm1hIJY

scoreboard is important for relative performance

[bold patrol]

cope

[indigo portal]

seethe

[teal needle]

Trauma kills hordes better but it does have shorter range. Voidstrikes target cap isn't that bad because you can crank out plenty of fireballs. And it is okay against scabs and dregs at range too. Note that i am not actually saying it's an even halfway okay choice past like heresy

[upper galleon]

scoreboard is so toxic- redditors spamming recon into crushers

void is, ok in damn+

but it's the worse overall for a reason

[whole oxide]

not really tho, if you consider Void, it'll be able to grab the damage on hordes before anyone else can, which will make it seem like its doing more damage, but that horde would've been managed easily anyway, so it's a false contribution

[upper galleon]

surge is more likely to be used worst

[bold patrol]

Finally a valid point

[fluid knot]

Big damage number generally is a good sign because at least that player is contributing, the thing that fucks me off most about the scoreboard is that it weighs things like attacks blocked highly, like who gives a fuck an why is that apparently relevant? There are a few things on there that are just meaningless

[upper galleon]

yee i just look at individual stats not the score

[indigo portal]

So like, what sparked the Purge vs. Surge debate in the first place? Seems odd to compare them since one is a Flak/Stun focus and one is a crowd removal tool.

[teal needle]

Yeah i enjoy void its just probably the worst ranged weapon available to psykers even including las pistol and shotguns and shit stuff lol

[upper galleon]

fuck if i know

[bold patrol]

It's really just a choice between better ranged or better close combat

[still hearth]

It was mostly Purg vs Trauma

Iirc

But then Surge came in for some reason

[upper galleon]

well, psyker has BB and access to guns

[queen fog]

Ballin vs aoeing I guess

[upper galleon]

void doesn't fit a niche

it's ballin

[queen fog]

Both are good

[upper galleon]

but that is it

[bold patrol]

Whats purg?

[teal needle]

We are psykers we must at all times be comparing staves to one another

We have been doing this since beta we must never stop

[whole oxide]

its not an equivalent choice though, the difference in close combat is MASSIVE, while the difference at ranged is irrelevant

[fluid knot]

Hot take, all staves are good in their own way, none of them are outright useless

[still hearth]

[plucky flax]

Surge is really good there's just too many bad psykers.

[indigo portal]

I love the pur staff

[teal needle]

Surge is mid

[still hearth]

Except Surge

[indigo portal]

My favorite is the pu staff

[still hearth]

P-staff

S-staff

T-staff

V-staff

Enjoy

[fluid knot]

In a vaccum sure, less so in a game with you know, the rest of the team

[still hearth]

No it sucks worse in game

This is my hill to die on

[plucky flax]

You are already dead.

[still hearth]

I'd rather you just used your melee all the time than take out the Surge staff.

[fluid knot]

Watch some of Selfish's gameplay ngl

[gusty furnace]

Surge is okay

[fluid knot]

That convinced me a while back that Surge has a place, i hated it prior

[gusty furnace]

Not bad, not great.

[still hearth]

Who

[fluid knot]

#psyker-class message This person

[gusty furnace]

But it has some really distinct drawbacks that can't be mitigated by the player.

In any way whatsoever.

So its just ultimately clunky to use.

[plucky flax]

[still hearth]

Surge is mitigated

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame it was just sedition.

[still hearth]

By using Iliisi

[upper galleon]

surge is best used as a non-weapon

[teal needle]

I tried to make surge work in auric so hard, but it sucks going into pug groups with a tool that just makes it a bit easier for everyone else to carry me. With auto pistol or trauma i feel way more like I'm actually contributing

[upper galleon]

except vs spread out shooters

otherwise, it's the absolute most mid weapon in the game

bad teams? You are down a primary weapon to kill shit with

[whole oxide]

again, just to test, spawn 100 poxwalkers, invisibility off, which staff kills them fastest? answer: purg >>>> blazing trauma > blazing void > flurry trauma > flurry void

[upper galleon]

good teams? You are just making it slightly easier for players who know what they are doing

[still hearth]

Surge with friends:
Okay if everyone is already doing well but then you could just take a better performing option

Surge with pugs:
Okay if everyone is already doing well but then you cou- hang on

[fluid knot]

Used to love Illisi, but as time goes on i prefer Deimos more an more, big damage poke is kewl an gud

[upper galleon]

mid teams and proper usuage can carry

[still hearth]

Tbf its also pretty dumb but at least it doesn't one-shot 21 poxwalkers

[fluid knot]

No, but it can one shot muties an nearly all other non-ogryn specials

[teal needle]

Deimos i pair with trauma, illisi for gunker

[fluid knot]

Also you can 1v1 monsters with it which is hilariously fun

Killed like 5 plogryns with the poke day before yesterday

[bold patrol]

Yeah but that's not the full picture. Range is what makes void strike so good.

[cyan notch]

penis staff
sex staff
trans staff
vagina staff

[whole oxide]

you have BB

[still hearth]

Why is the "but purgatus has short range" thing still popping up

[teal needle]

Nothing makes void strike so good because it's not so good 😭

[still hearth]

How does it keep recycling

[upper galleon]

ferret psykers

[plucky flax]

Because its lowest range staff.

[upper galleon]

it does have shorter range than flamer

[still hearth]

Surge has like 17m on RMB

[still hearth]

By like 3 meters, its true.

[upper galleon]

but flamer doesn't have synergies like soulblaze does

[fluid knot]

My ex missus used to have some ferrets, fuckin smelly bastards they were, truly children of nurgle

[still hearth]

And flamer also doesn't teleport out of thin air and let you shoot immediately

[bold patrol]

Imagine worrying about the range of your staff

[still hearth]

But the range thing is sad

[upper galleon]

yee, you gotta get em descented when you get them fixed

[whole oxide]

imagine using a staff for range when you have BB

[upper galleon]

it's not invasive or bad or anything, just removes their stink gland

[feral inlet]

whats BB

[still hearth]

Imagine caring about range when you have infinite dodges and block bullets

[feral inlet]

all i know is

[crude cape]

@kindred anchor sorry to @ you, curious, how you been liking psyker? still playing it?

[still hearth]

Just dodge up to them

[gusty furnace]

brainburst

[still hearth]

Crab all the way up in their face

[feral inlet]

dodge key -> dodge key -> dodge key -> activate special -> attack once

[gusty furnace]

if you're not joking

[upper galleon]

cause they are related to skunks

[fluid knot]

Aye ive since heard, strange animals

[upper galleon]

they just passive stink instead of active stink

[bold patrol]

The cope is strong

[cyan notch]

this has been going on for more than an hour are u surprised

[gusty furnace]

purgatus' short range actually matters against specials

[still hearth]

Idk I just

[gusty furnace]

Trappers and Flamers will both attack you from beyond your flame staffs range

Which is really annoying

[still hearth]

Uh

What

[upper galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVm35BlstjY

[still hearth]

Trappers attack from like 5m away

[bold patrol]

cope

[feral inlet]

not all the time

they can also just choose to shoot from like 20m

[teal needle]

Purgatus not killing specials quickly also matters for specials

[feral inlet]

or even further

[upper galleon]

at least watch the video first before you let the stick up your ass bother you

[still hearth]

I've never once had them shoot outside of my purg range

[gusty furnace]

It staggers them

[still hearth]

So idk

[gusty furnace]

which is the more important bit, in a twist

If you can't outright kill something

you better fuckin be able to stagger it

and the purg does

[upper galleon]

or kite them

or swap weapons

[languid tusk]

purgatus cant kill crushers

ergo purgatus is bad

[still hearth]

It sure can

[gusty furnace]

Which is the problem with MGIV, MG1a, Graia and Colomnus Brautos, Graia and Colomnus IAGs etc

[teal needle]

Yeah but you can just kill them with other weaps

[still hearth]

Just keep flaming my friend

[gusty furnace]

They can't stagger anything

[plucky flax]

What level is your psyker huh?

[still hearth]

Or swap to your Rending weapon

[gusty furnace]

So their "DPS" sucks

[upper galleon]

neither can void or surge

[still hearth]

[gusty furnace]

because enemies just run into cover

[upper galleon]

hell trauma can't kill a crusher quickly

[feral inlet]

at least 2.

[gusty furnace]

Purg on the other makes enemies stand still

[bold patrol]

Yeah after about half an hour the crusher with be at half health

[still hearth]

Purg absolutely wrecks shooters

The suppression AoE is massive

[languid tusk]

surge has decent damage to carapace if you put flak and carapace perks you can kill crushers

[still hearth]

And they'll just stand in place and cry

[upper galleon]

except shotgunners

trust me from experience

[upper galleon]

can

[still hearth]

Shotgunners aren't shooters

They're nightmares

I walked around a corner

Instant 3 shotgunners

[queen fog]

SHOTGUN!

[still hearth]

Died

[upper galleon]

just like how, purge can, and void can, and trauma can

[languid tusk]

but wont

[fluid knot]

Dont you dis my MKVI lasgun!

Its crap, but its so fun for real tho

[upper galleon]

just swap to BB fucking space nerds

[queen fog]

Reminds me of the sniper duo special

[still hearth]

Literally none of the staffs are better at killing crushers than BB

Trauma is good because it stuns other shit

Void is

[queen fog]

Turn a corner u already got 2 lasers on ur head

[upper galleon]

if I take carapace on my surge staff I need to be put down

[still hearth]

Surge also stuns I guess

[gusty furnace]

Voidstrike actually has comparable DPS

I think its almost exactly the same DPS

Its just less damage over more attacks

[languid tusk]

i have carapace and flak on my surge i can kill armored enemies like they aren't even there

almost as good as bolter magdump

[feral inlet]

i made some niche calculations when running rending trauma back when EliteResistance was around, and you needed to hit the crusher twice with the trauma and then kb them to kill the crusher solo with cerebral

like it was a very specific breakpoint

[gusty furnace]

Voidstriking crushers is great too because it staggers them.

[upper galleon]

cause flak enemies typically have lower hp

but the only carapace enemy in the game

is crusher

[gusty furnace]

You can keep people meleeing them from getting overheaded

[upper galleon]

other enemies can have carapace pieces

[bold patrol]

Finally somebody gets it

[upper galleon]

but crusher has unyielding levels of HP

just BB

[whole oxide]

rofl, no

[plucky flax]

Cool

[whole oxide]

it staggers ONE crusher, with a headshot

[languid tusk]

i think its 4 full charges to kill a crusher with surge ? idk its been a while since i actually had to surge a crusher

[gusty furnace]

So uh

just like BB?

[bold patrol]

Their head takes up like half the screen

[whole oxide]

why take a void staff to do the exact same as BB?

[gusty furnace]

I'm just pointing out that Voidstrike is actually comparable to BB when attacking crushers

[upper galleon]

4 full charges

[gusty furnace]

Which you tried to say wasn't true

[still hearth]

Because range

[gusty furnace]

which was pain

[queen fog]

I guess less windup

That’s just me spitballin tho

[whole oxide]

not with KB

[gusty furnace]

The voidstrike has other issues

But its at least comparable to BB for dps

[languid tusk]

I mean at this point why take any staff when you can just use illisi 90% of the time and take a revolver

[gusty furnace]

Voidstrike's biggest issue anyway is that it doesn't ignore arms

[still hearth]

This but why would you ever take a revolver

[gusty furnace]

100% charge

Hit dreg stalker

1 pixel of ball touched arms

-50% damage taken

Fuck OFF fatshark

[languid tusk]

according to data on reddit it's the most succesfull gun for psyker

[fluid knot]

You should ALWAYS be aiming at heads if you're charging it

Never torso

[still hearth]

Probably because 3 people use it

[gusty furnace]

The ball is so massive that you have to be aiming well above enemies

[still hearth]

And next data it'll be the worst gun because redditors used it

[fluid knot]

That is true yeah

[still hearth]

[gusty furnace]

its a fucking ridiculous mechanic

[bold patrol]

Thats how to play voidstrike

[gusty furnace]

it should just ignore arms

and have head priority

[plucky flax]

According to reddit trauma or purg better?

[teal needle]

Trauma better, purg below mid

[fluid knot]

Well.. yes'nt, personally i spam ball with Blazing to both get lots of stagger and burns out

[bold patrol]

Reddit is famously a reliable source

[teal needle]

According to reddit, asterisks attached

[plucky flax]

Damn purg users hopping on the copium

[still hearth]

Ah so its not actual data

But just

"I played X amount of games and this is what I saw"

[bold patrol]

The cope is incredible

[fluid knot]

I said that as soon as i read it 😄

If you mean the tierlist thing anyway

[plucky flax]

Surge better than purg too.

[still hearth]

I just searched for data on darktide reddit and the only ones I found were ones that used X amount of games to get data

[teal needle]

It's a fairly small statistical sampling yes. Not oure garbage data but with a whole lot of caveats that mean it's not great to take it at face value with additional support

[whole oxide]

i mean, 2500 games, isn't a meaningless dataset

[languid tusk]

this list is to be taken with a pinch of salt because different maps may require different staves to be effective

[bold patrol]

indeed

[languid tusk]

like any mission in the hourglass for example I want purgatus

magistrati oubliette ? trauma it is

[teal needle]

But also surge and purg are mid