I don’t use mods if you asking me
#psyker-class
olive ember
shrewd comet
oh ok
olive ember
I just know they exist
fluid knot
Fuck mutants, you can kill monsters with that poke 
Killed like 5 plogryns yesterday on a monsters Maelstrom using that, was a good time
steel flame
I love wildfire. Though I use it on my fire void and fire trauma since I don't really purge much anymore
plucky flax
I use it on blaze trauma and purg. I don't like void so never use it.
It's just a worse bolt staff from vt2.
steel flame
Fire void with quell canceled half charge m2s is just so good xP
plucky flax
I mean it as a specials sniping tool.
olive ember
Reeeeee
steel flame
It's a bit mechanically demanding but it's very fun
plucky flax
You can't 1 shot specials like bolt in vt2.
fluid knot
Nah, but you can use BB
An thats just as good, personally i find a lot of value in WnR, particularly in Maelstrom because of the special volume, you burst a few things an everything around them is giga-fucked due to WnR not having a stack cap thats reasonably reachable in-game
plucky flax
Your warp battery 
olive ember
Better than wildfire
fluid knot
Oh i use that aswell
mossy surge
What if, we get talents that focus on warp overcharge explosions.
And that would make wounds curios worthwhile
fluid knot
I take all the fire related stuffs except AB, because KB is just infinitely better in nearly every build
calm sapphire
dump stat for void staff?
fluid knot
Quell speed ideally
But even then you dont want it to be too low
Its kind of one of those that needs as much in everything as it can get
calm sapphire
Its kind of one of those that needs as much in everything as it can get
bit of a grind to get the perfect roll on a wep for stat / perk / blessing 
fluid knot
bit of a grind to get the perfect roll on a wep for stat / perk / blessing <:Sit...
Indeed, but it might get a boost next week so just get a few which look decent
calm sapphire
Indeed, but it might get a boost next week so just get a few which look decent
shhh even with me abusing a bug 🤡
plucky flax
I take all the fire related stuffs except AB, because KB is just infinitely bett...
Hrm AB allow warp charge replenishment though. When I use fire build I barely use bb. Only for snipers or bombers far away.
fluid knot
Hrm AB allow warp charge replenishment though. When I use fire build I barely us...
It does, but it also eats said warp charges. Mind, i guess thats a playstyle difference, when using Void you're a lot more reliant on BB than you otherwise would be, even more so with WnR because its a good portion of the output
calm sapphire
which void is salvagable?
fluid knot
If you change Flurry to Nexus on the first one, that'll work, also wants Flak too
Third one is ok too, but wants flak instead of crit
Its nothing amazing, but it'll work well enough
plucky flax
It does, but it also eats said warp charges. Mind, i guess thats a playstyle dif...
Oh I don't use void so I have no comment there.
calm sapphire
blazing spirit good on void?
fluid knot
If you're willing to quell cancel a lot, its arguably the best way you can play it
calm sapphire
If you're willing to quell cancel a lot, its arguably the best way you can play ...
Hmm I had assumed the goto blessings was warp flurry n transfer peril?
fluid knot
Its the most forgiving, there isnt really anything wrong with it, but its much lower output over the course of a mission
calm sapphire
Its the most forgiving, there isnt really anything wrong with it, but its much l...
ah I see
steel flame
blazing spirit good on void?
Yes but it takes a lot of mechanical effort
And you are living on the edge of blowing up all mission if you want the most out of it
You'll have to get really good at quell canceling
fluid knot
Yee, the risk of becoming a human bomb is pretty high
steel flame
For me fire void is a straight upgrade over purgatus
plucky flax
Blaze trauma for me is also straight upgrade over purg.
calm sapphire
For me fire void is a straight upgrade over purgatus
only reason I wanted to try out void was so I can cc a chaos spawn to death
plucky flax
Faster at killing everything and longer range.
plucky flax
I still play purg occasionally just for the simplicity of it.
steel flame
I also love blaze trauma
calm sapphire
Blaze trauma for me is also straight upgrade over purg.
trauma needs too much brain power to use
calm sapphire
I wasn't aware anything could stun chaos spawn
grenades, bull charge?
steel flame
For psyker
calm sapphire
For psyker
I also found out that rumbler can cc a chaos spawn too
steel flame
I know void qc can perma stunlock everything except monstrosities and mutants. But I didn't know it had enough to stagger spawn. Then again I've never tried
calm sapphire
I know void qc can perma stunlock everything except monstrosities and mutants. B...
Unless I was high --> I saw a void psyker stunlocked a chaos spawn indefinitely yesterday
most psykers don't bother running void
steel flame
Well I know what I'm trying when I get home
People sleep on void.
It's understandable
still hearth
Blaze trauma for me is also straight upgrade over purg.
I refuse this idea
Trauma bad.
Purge good.
plucky flax
still hearth
Someone better drop the secret to trauma or something
Cause when I use it I just feel like it's slow and cumbersome
What feats do people even use with blaze trauma
naive sedge
You just play melee psyker until one of hte situations Trauma is really good at show up
still hearth
Aside from knocking over crushers what can it do
naive sedge
and far too many psykers waste time not Illisi-ing already
plucky flax
Wut when I play blaze trauma I have below 100 melee kills to over 1k range kills.
still hearth
Illisi and Deimos need some serious nerfs
plucky flax
I just spam trauma the whole map and burn. 
still hearth
We are talking about Auric missions right. Or whatever the new tier is called
plucky flax
Any mission.
still hearth
haughty scarab
Why do some psykers run guns?
still hearth
Lasgun XII is also pretty silly
But other guns aren't really strong enough to steal ammo for imo
haughty scarab
Psyker's one job is to not need ammo
still hearth
Hopefully we get a laspistol viable build so force push becomes cool
haughty scarab
plucky flax
Psyker is for babysitting veterans and stun stuff for them. If they take damage they flame you.
lyric burrow
Tbf you could run any staff and use illisi 90% of the time and its perfectly effective
plucky flax
still hearth
The worst part of the laspistol push is that it'd actually be okay if it didn't do 0 knockback to flak
haughty scarab
Psyker is for babysitting veterans and stun stuff for them. If they take damag...
Takes the whole team to ensure vets don't die every 3rd minute
The struggle
harsh urchin
illisi itself doesn't really need a nerf lol
still hearth
Tbf you could run any staff and use illisi 90% of the time and its perfectly eff...
Just run Illisi and no ranged weapon
still hearth
illisi itself doesn't really need a nerf lol
Yes it does
It and power sword are silly
harsh urchin
main things that need changes is
- move infinite dodges off force sword base to dueling sword
- slaughterer
still hearth
Lmao
harsh urchin
75% power is really what pushes it into bullshit territory
harsh urchin
i don't think illisi without mods is broken lol
still hearth
You can run a gray one and outperform most weapons
lyric burrow
Illisi needs worse single target and infinite dodges removed and slaughterer nerfed
harsh urchin
i think it's an appropriately statted weapon for the game
still hearth
???
viral solstice
illisi is broken. if it wasnt broken it would be called wellisi
but its called illisi
use brane
still hearth
Either Illisi is OP or most melees are garbage
harsh urchin
Illisi needs worse single target and infinite dodges removed and slaughterer ner...
the single target is broken because of slaughterer mainly
viral solstice
ok but bear with me
harsh urchin
same thing with PS
haughty scarab
ok but bear with me
No stop
viral solstice
what if instead of doing anythging about illisi or ps we simply buff the devil claw
haughty scarab
haughty scarab
what if instead of doing anythging about illisi or ps we simply buff the devil c...
Just make devil claw dual wield
Easy
lyric burrow
Im pretty sure even without slaughterer up you can one shot most maniacs with the special
still hearth
what if instead of doing anythging about illisi or ps we simply buff the devil c...
I'm down for this
viral solstice
Im pretty sure even without slaughterer up you can one shot most maniacs with th...
thats why its called the special
if it was normal damage it would be called the normal
haughty scarab
Lmao
lyric burrow
Like unstable lets it reach the same breakpoints as deimos minus mutant
harsh urchin
You can run a gray one and outperform most weapons
are you just parroting this because other people are saying this or have you actually tried running it without slaught
still hearth
Im pretty sure even without slaughterer up you can one shot most maniacs with th...
Even if you have to do two swings that's still way too good for a horde clear weapon
lyric burrow
Yeah if its gonna have horde clear as good at it is one shots even with the special is pretty nuts
still hearth
are you just parroting this because other people are saying this or have you act...
I've ran a gray one for a long time
lyric burrow
Esp if they leave stuff like infinite dodges
plucky flax
Don't need to use my sword I have blaze trauma wildfire.
lyric burrow
That is your staff 🤨
harsh urchin
because without slaught it actually is pretty comparable with the other weapons in the game, still strong but not overtuned
plucky flax
That is your staff 🤨
The typo!!
harsh urchin
Esp if they leave stuff like infinite dodges
yar I still think the dueling sword should have it
still hearth
Those are the only ones I can think of that can even compete with its horde clear
harsh urchin
Compared to what weapon
yeah if you're literally naming weapons, maybe slaught is the problem?
if literally you can only name weapons with slaughter, perhaps we can see a common trend
still hearth
Yeah but two of those actually need slaughterer
Illisi and Psword does not
Just activate and swing
Vroom vroom I killed a horde
harsh urchin
psword without slaught has some major issues fyi
lyric burrow
I would prefer they nerf blessings before base stats and see how things look
harsh urchin
you have major trouble fighting certain enemy types and it's slow enough that against bosses you can't really do much
lyric burrow
Cause hsword/ap arent good without them
still hearth
Yeah psword has actual downsides compared to Illisi
harsh urchin
considering literally every "overpowered" weapon in the game is overpowered because of a 75% power blessing or a 100% power blessing
perhaps your interpretation of this needs reevaluation
still hearth
I consider both Illisi and Psword to be too strong even without slaughterer, but okay
Heavy Sword and BB definitely need the blessings though.
Still pretty good without them
lyric burrow
Iirc blessing less hsword is bad
harsh urchin
until they buffed rampage and headtaker numbers
still hearth
Heavy Sword is always going to be weird because it's damage is low but it has a stupidly high cleave damage
harsh urchin
no
it was completely unused
until they made the blessings give you that ridiculously multiplier lmao
still hearth
Yeah because no one cares about horde ttk in that way. Especially when BM combat axe was an option
Anyway I'm gonna sleep. I doubt they'll really nerf the cool psyker swords though.
cinder moon
Why do some psykers run guns?
tell me this doesn't look cool
warp charge buffed revolver is nasty lol
lucid shadow
I really want it but 1400 aquila 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
cinder moon
worth
queen fog
viral solstice
Anyway I'm gonna sleep. I doubt they'll really nerf the cool psyker swords thoug...
too late
they were all melted down to make BRAIN DEVIL CLAW MK 3 (the best)
spice veldt
the damage falloff is a hard cutoff
In terms of diameter, a 0.2m increase in radius is a 0.4m increase in diameter. In terms of area, a 2.3m radius circle (80% blast radius) is larger than a 2.1m radius circle (60% blast radius) by roughly 1.2x
spice veldt
because without slaught it actually is pretty comparable with the other weapons ...
15 seconds to clear 40 poxwalkers compared to the less-well-to-do weapons which will take around 30 seconds; and that's not accounting for the abilility to stunlock ragers/maulers repeatedly and have enough base cleave to hit two ragers/maulers
very good hordeclear, good single-target, good armour mods, and good stagger
harsh urchin
15 seconds to clear 40 poxwalkers compared to the less-well-to-do weapons which ...
I think a weapon thats touted as a horde clear focus weapon should do well in that regards, this is 15 seconds without slaught?
harsh urchin
How does it compare to weapons such as ps
spice veldt
but it shouldn't be good in single-target as well
nor should it have insane stagger
or mobility
i didn't test the psword but i assume that a psword is going to have better raw dps
harsh urchin
So i think that once they fix first target not applying to specials, and if they move infinite dodge off fs to dueling swords
harsh urchin
As well as removing slaught
spice veldt
mhm
harsh urchin
I think it should be ok
spice veldt
and give the same treatment to the psword
it already has bad mobility, so just nerf its armour mods and stagger as well
100% armour mods against every armour type except carapace (75%) goes brrr
harsh urchin
We shall see what they do,
spice veldt
oh and 175% against unyielding lamayo
because clearly the illisi and psword needed help with regards to diving ranged patrols
harsh urchin
I still think the biggest offender in the games current state is the 75-100% power blessings
spice veldt
yeah they're pretty busted
harsh urchin
So i wanna see those gone first
bold patrol
psyker is goated
spice veldt
but the problem is that baseline illisi and psword are also fucking busted
viral solstice
im the biggest criminal because i made both the illisi and slaughterer 
bold patrol
Psyker is the hardest to master but once you do its the most powerful class easily
still hearth
Psyker is the hardest to master but once you do its the most powerful class easi...
Laughs in Veteran Volley Fire
spice veldt
like CC is kind of a meme, but that's only if you're dealing exclusively CC and no damage; with the illisi and psword, you get good enough CC to stagger ragers/maulers and are able to deal damage for free
spice veldt
Psyker is the hardest to master but once you do its the most powerful class easi...
not in the current difficulty climate
vast hare
CC is really good at high diff provided you have people actually dealing damage
spice veldt
vet is the only other class that I've played, but I've done better numbers on my vet and with much better win rates
viral solstice
thats me im doing more damages
bold patrol
Nah I’m correct and refuse to listen to other valid opinions
spice veldt
perish
still hearth
Nah I’m correct and refuse to listen to other valid opinions
As the Emperor wishes
A closed mind is a good mind
harsh urchin
I'm also okay with the class specific weapons being slightly overtuned
lunar hollow
or mobility
part of the problem is 100% the fact that all the force weapons are in the same family
harsh urchin
Compared to the generic weapons
bold patrol
part of the problem is 100% the fact that all the force weapons are in the same ...
facts
spice veldt
yeha i'm fine with that too
still hearth
I'm also okay with the class specific weapons being slightly overtuned
Meanwhile Zealot has three shit unique weapons
harsh urchin
But i still dont get why FS has infinitr dodge attribute
bold patrol
All the swords essential do the same thing
spice veldt
but in the case of force weapons, feat synergies should be the ones to make them extremely strong
harsh urchin
It should really be on the dueling sword
cinder moon
Dont tempt me heretic
trust in the emperor
lunar hollow
which from a balance perspective is completely fucking stupid because a deimos and illisi are supposed to fill opposite roles but carry a lot of the same traits because they're in the same family
bold patrol
We need a whip or something cool
spice veldt
like peril generation is fairly important for a few things, and I do think that peril generation alone is enough to give an edge over the other weapons
harsh urchin
Would you take a glass cannon feat if it was on the tree
spice veldt
hell yeah, if I had enough remaining points after taking a 2nd toughness feat
harsh urchin
Something like do 30% more dmg but you take 30% more LOL
bold patrol
Some bloodborne inspired gear would be great
spice veldt
because I will almost certainly always take two toughness feats once the new skill tree drops
bold patrol
yes
still hearth
bold patrol
No protection no problems
still hearth
I live and die by my skills server lag
bold patrol
You mean by the God Emperors will brother
spice veldt
depends on what baseline damage that we're all going to have and how good dps-checking will be
since dps-checking is currently the name of the game
harsh urchin
Yar hopefully with slaughterer dumpstered
Suppression and impact will be more useful
spice veldt
and whether specialialists will be the main threat
bold patrol
Blood for the God Emperor, and skulls for the Golden Throne
harsh urchin
and whether specialialists will be the main threat
Mah
Nah
With counterfire removed from the game
Biggest threat is shooters for sure
LOL
spice veldt
ranged enemies are whatever
shrewd comet
i know this isnt psyker related, but is anyone here familiar with files, naming files, finding them, general trouble shooting, etc?
spice veldt
i've never had any problems with them besides when I was playing ogryn
and was solo after my team had all died
lunar hollow
none of the enemy types are inherently threatening on their own
spice veldt
ranged enemies are just basically a knowledge-check
"do you know that you get ranged i-frames?"
lunar hollow
(they're also probably not just removing counterfire and instead removing the ability to chain vet ults into eternity)
potent echo
With counterfire removed from the game
Wait it is? 
still hearth
Hopefully on October 4
harsh urchin
Not confirmed but almost certainly
still hearth
If they don't hit it and unwavering
Those two are just too good
The games with Vets not running it are like night and day
When the Vet karkin runs in and eats a billion shots and regens full toughness every second and never exits ult...
Meanwhile Ogryn sits in a corner because two gunners are looking at him funny
spice veldt
prob ult extensions are moved off to another node or something
still hearth
I just want the support builds
harsh urchin
There'll be more op shit to play
lunar hollow
Meanwhile Ogryn sits in a corner because two gunners are looking at him funny
laughs in ripper suppression
oct 4th is probably gonna introduce as much crazy busted shit as it nerfs
which is fine, honestly, so long as its mostly talents that are free and not stuff locked behind dozens of hours of grinding
spice veldt
tbf i only got locked down as ogryn since i made a bad choice by going into a certain spot, and it was only scab shooters which will just stay in cover and never ever push you
lunar hollow
tbf i only got locked down as ogryn since i made a bad choice by going into a ce...
ogryn is so easy to stay alive on
u pretty much have to do something stupid or get memed to go down
spice veldt
my lvl 27 ogryn ass 😔
still hearth
I always get memed on
spice veldt
i was on damnation with the others
lunar hollow
never forget my 8 million iq tactical downs
still hearth
Just by existing
spice veldt
i did a bunch of "tactical downs" to get my hp back
since I did lose a shit ton of hp all the time
lunar hollow
were u there that one time i said "im gonna down myself intentionally for extra hp" and some pub psyker dropped a medpack
as if he was psychically linked to me
spice veldt
i don't think i was
spice veldt
or i'm getting dementia
spice veldt
oh my god i have dementia
still hearth
Arco were you a trauma stan
spice veldt
ye
harsh urchin
Josho u never answered me
still hearth
How do I use trauma
harsh urchin
When i pinged u 😿
still hearth
I don't get it
lunar hollow
when did u ping me
spice veldt
uhhh, i primarily play a melee build with trauma as support
still hearth
Ah ok
harsh urchin
Like a few days ago
spice veldt
to me, trauma's benefit is its stagger and infinite cleave
still hearth
I was told that lmao
lunar hollow
what were u asking
i wake up to like 5+ notifs all the time
microcelebrity
gonna sell my account to one of the reddit advertisers
harsh urchin
Micro pe nis
spice veldt
for dense packs with melee elites mixed in, I can just unload if there's no ranged anti-armor DPS and I need to make space so that we can actually dink the elites
or avoid dying because I went into a dropdown with 10 crushers
harsh urchin
Uhhh how would you prioritize perk/bless on a kickback
harsh urchin
If you couldnt afford to make a perfect one
lunar hollow
uh
harsh urchin
Lets say a 2/4 or 3/4
lunar hollow
i guess it depends on what you're using it for
if you're trying specifically to chunk patrols and whatnot moreso than horde clear then its perks > blessings
but for more general purpose i think grabbing blaze away + a perk if you have to run a 2/4 is what i would do
still hearth
https://streamable.com/ystp72
This has to be like the most ideal trauma moment tbh
lunar hollow
3/4 i would grab BA and 2 perks always
spice veldt
basically
lunar hollow
full bore/expansive are nice but also super niche
spice veldt
but I also prefer trauma over purg for dealing with ranged enemies
in pubs, at least
harsh urchin
Flak maniac as always?
lunar hollow
yep
spice veldt
i see trauma as a generalist, so it's why I run it
still hearth
I just
cinder moon
Flak maniac as always?
inspiring barrage w/ bloodthirsty build so you can spam bash in crowds for infinite toughness and dam resist
still hearth
I just don't deal with ranged enemies with purg 
spice veldt
true
lunar hollow
inspiring barrage w/ bloodthirsty build so you can spam bash in crowds for infin...
lmfao
spice veldt
noh
still hearth
spice veldt
you can't tell me what to do
lunar hollow
one of these days i wanna do a run where i only use rumbler/kickback bash in sedition
still hearth
Okay shoot your trauma staff arco
spice veldt
no
spice veldt
i refuse to use my trauma staff except when my team is dead and i'm dead
harsh urchin
one of these days i wanna do a run where i only use rumbler/kickback bash in sed...
How bout club
Flak/cara haymaker/thrust?
spice veldt
(I tend to be in situations where using my trauma would've been the best option but I'm too scared of the stagger and attempt to shoehorn my melee in instead)
harsh urchin
Still hunting for haymaker 4
lunar hollow
Flak/cara haymaker/thrust?
for mk1 yeah basically. cara is the anchor perk imo and then 2nd can be unyielding/maniac/flak
harsh urchin
It eludes me
still hearth
Trauma users: trauma is great if you use your melee 90% of the time
lunar hollow
depending on what u wanna do better against
spice veldt
yeah, since the stagger of trauma can trap your teammates
but all I need is a staff that can deal with rough situations and that's what the trauma is there for
lunar hollow
trauma lets u get outta a lot of dumb situations
upper galleon
Trauma users: trauma is great if you use your melee 90% of the time
that's surge
at least trauma doesn't have a target cap
and kills things
still hearth
I guess. I feel like purg is the staff to avoid rough situations
lunar hollow
you can make trauma work as a primary weapon but it also has a specific niche as a secondary
spice veldt
i'd put purg and trauma on the same level
lunar hollow
the problems with people who use trauma as a primary is mostly a behavioral thing
where they try to blow up hordes you're meleeing and knock shit around
or detting bursters on you
upper galleon
^
spice veldt
i'm melee-focused, so I have an inherent bias against trauma psykers who use it for 99% of the game
still hearth
Idk, to me purg feels like easy mode
upper galleon
honestly one of the few weapons where the rending blessing is great
still hearth
While trauma is like big brain
spice veldt
trauma feels pretty easy to use, but I also have like 900 levels on psyker purely with trauma + force sword
upper galleon
but psyker is a juggling class by nature
lunar hollow
trauma has jank to it you have to learn which makes it fun to me
spice veldt
once you know the spots where you can comfortably aim the trauma, then it should be smooth sailing
lunar hollow
purg lacks enough decision making for me to use it at all
upper galleon
oh i love purge but that's cause I'm zealot brained
spice veldt
trauma feels safer to use aggressively regardless of whatever pub team that you have and on sections that don't have linear corridors
potent echo
I like to traumatise the edges of the horde, funnels them towards the grinder
upper galleon
Always trauma right behind the front
i can't stay on my toes cause i'm locked in place by prone poxwalkers
potent echo
I mainly play trauma as an overwatch role, feels pretty good
spice veldt
make sure not to place the circle onto your teammates unless they're running the knife or some shit
potent echo
Just sniping that one or two stray walkers that are going for a sneaky shank
lunar hollow
me trying to avoid the trapper moments after the trauma psyker has detonated their blast
spice veldt
trust in the hsword/illisi/pswords/bb3
still hearth
RIP crit builds
still hearth
Zealot sad
spice veldt
me dying from full hp after being unable to dodge from having my feet stuck in poxwalkers
crits have such a cool effect for how shit they are
still hearth
Just use the glorious crusher
potent echo
Best weapon in the game
still hearth
You'll instead die of old age
And so will the enemies
I unironically enjoy it though
potent echo
Only 57 bonks
still hearth
Best worst weapon
lunar hollow
crits have such a cool effect for how shit they are
the main good crit weapon (knife) being relegated to mid-tier at best and crits being super interesting and complex mechanically but outclassed by shit that rewards you for mashing m1
spice veldt
and ranged crits blinding you with the muzzle flash
spice veldt
for all the gambling addicts out there
lunar hollow
the way crit damage interacts with stuff like uncanny is fairly complicated
spice veldt
yeah, it interacts with weakspots and rending
as a whole, i think it's fairly complicated since you have to consider those things when balancing crits
since crits kind of do a lot of minor things by default and then if you want to make cool stuff, you'll have to consider these baseline effects
still hearth
From that PoV then kind of
Idk why crits isn't just
A damage multiplier
Since they aren't really doing much with them
And the crit bonuses are terrible on almost all weapons
Ogryn having a 15% damage boost on crits
But a bunch of crit blessings
lunar hollow
ogryn weapons in general have absolutely god awful finesse
and random weird shit like most weapons still having bodyshot prio
or the global -2% crit chance
still hearth
Ogryn is very confused
upper galleon
it's a crime twin stubbers can't roll cavalcade
lunar hollow
which thematically i can understand everything except the bodyshot prio
that is fucking awful
still hearth
It's a good thing
upper galleon
skullbreaker and psykinetic felt the most unfinished at launch
spice veldt
trauma staff not having a charge indicator at launch lol
harsh urchin
Crits just dont have enough support from the rest of the game lol
You can kinda build around crits in vt
But you cant really in dt
still hearth
They just need to like 10x crit damage boosts
upper galleon
like psyker needed a rework of a lot of feats and ogryn needed straight up fixes and it's still a very bland tree
lyric burrow
The only building around crits in DT is just adding more chance yeah
Except maybe zealot
upper galleon
first thing first, they need to fix crit damage bonuses
to apply to the entire critical hit (same with weakspot)
still hearth
Even then they nerfed the one part that made crit competitive on Zealot
And now no one runs it
upper galleon
still probably a bit short of a 25% damage perk but it's a start
harsh urchin
The only building around crits in DT is just adding more chance yeah
Meanwhile in vt, they have stuff like bh autocrits, zealot guaranteed crits, gk instakill crits
still hearth
still probably a bit short of a 25% damage perk but it's a start
If it was actually 10% total it'd at least be an option
lyric burrow
to apply to the entire critical hit (same with weakspot)
What does this mean for a weapon like illisi where its one hit
upper galleon
what?
bold estuary
there are some blessing grand 100% crit chance after using weapon specials , aint that something xD
lyric burrow
Ive never understood how crit damage is calculated wrong
upper galleon
right now weakspot and crit damage only applies to the bonus damage itself
which average in this game
is 40%
so you get a boost of 4% of your total hit, from the perk
upper galleon
there are some blessing grand 100% crit chance after using weapon specials , ain...
it would be nice if all those weapons didn't suck
still hearth
2.77%
bold estuary
i meant , if i used the special , most of the time the enemy is already dead
the extra crit after that just bruh
upper galleon
like, god chain weapons is another flop even the best one numbers wise (chaxe) is so fucking clunky even with slaught 4 headtaker 4
it still sucks
still hearth
Yeah almost all crit blessings are terrible
lyric burrow
Ive heard chaxe isnt that bad but i don't use it cause it feels like ass to use
Chainsword is tolerable
Evis is sad
bold estuary
all of them is bad
upper galleon
chaxe has perfectly fine numbers besides it's unyielding damage could be higher
chsword isn't fine it's a fancy dclaw that doesn't have shit flak damage
you still go Sweep Rampage
still hearth
Eviscerator is trash
bold estuary
there is no room for mediocre in 40k
upper galleon
evi is a joke, how H1 QQ horde clear combo got approved at fatshark needs to be put on lawnmowing duty
still hearth
Also
"horde clear"
Hard cap at 3 targets
Thanks fatshark
That's what a horde clear weapon needs
upper galleon
that's something I noticed, generally melee weapons that suck have to take savage sweep rampage
just to function
sinful bramble
God I wish the eviscerator was good
spice veldt
someone who didn't trust the cleave system, apparently
sinful bramble
It's so cool
viral solstice
lets not cope too hard chaxe is a weapon so bad it caan run double power blessings with slaught and nobody uses it
lunar hollow
lets not cope too hard chaxe is a weapon so bad it caan run double power blessin...
this lmao. it's just painful
upper galleon
it's not bad it's just imo clunkier and worse to use than the other 3 chain weapons
viral solstice
it's a truly atrocious weapon that fucks your camera and has unbelievably bad single target when you account for rev time
it also has... incredibly bad maniac damage
just surreally bad
upper galleon
basically, best stats (for a chain weapon), but worst moveset and mechanics
like, you have to press F on zealot AFTER your rev'd attack hits to get the bonus
still hearth
Idk, chainsword has cleave at least
thorn cedar
and fast rev
lunar hollow
chaxe was at least kinda entertaining with the thrust bug
upper galleon
i put chsword in the same category as dclaw
lunar hollow
but the last time i used it i just wanted to cry
upper galleon
one goes brrr one doesn't
still hearth
Dclaw is way worse
viral solstice
kek
still hearth
Chainsword actually works with certain blessings
upper galleon
"works"
viral solstice
because chainaxe has literally no purpose and u can at least cope that devil claw has minor defensive utility and if u squint maybe u killi a poxwalker
still hearth
"works"
I mean we're fighting over like tenth place tbd
Tbf
It's not really a big competition
bold estuary
does anyone have dclaw anyway?
upper galleon
because chainaxe has literally no purpose and u can at least cope that devil cla...
tbf the buff to like, the heavies? it's, not terrible now it's just a worse thunderhammer and plays like shit
still hearth
But devil claw is just like a wet fish slap
upper galleon
dclaw has terrible flak, carapace, and maniac damage
basically a dead weapon meta wise
still hearth
And chainsword can actually kill hordes
upper galleon
is it the worst? maybe
untold spade
dclaw is love
upper galleon
"actually kill" where is the ttk 50 horde
viral solstice
dclaw has terrible maniac damage?
still hearth
can someone tell me how the parry work ?
It doesn't
viral solstice
lmao
still hearth
Never use it
spice veldt
crab can explain it since he likes to use the dclaw (deranged)
viral solstice
of all the things u can make up
upper galleon
can someone tell me how the parry work ?
you can block melee attacks if you time it right, doesn't work on overheads and certain attacks from monsters
viral solstice
that's actually very funny
lunar hollow
the dclaw allegedly has good maniac damage iirc i can't remember because the last time i used dclaw i blacked out
still hearth
The parry is a terrible attack and uses up stamina and doesn't even do enough stagger
upper galleon
and uhh, only parries one attack, good stagger but shit damage, and leaves you open for successive hits
viral solstice
thats about the only thing it can do
still hearth
I think the one thing I like on dclaw is that it staggers pretty well
But that's not really worth using it for
viral solstice
hello what about the 450 optimal headshot dps on unyielding
i call that "pretty worth"
get with the program MAN
god mom
thorn cedar
One shot Flamers too
spice veldt
huh that's pretty good
thorn cedar
hes already in his room we cant stop him
still hearth
I'll take the Internet away
spice veldt
i'll chew on the landline
viral solstice
but ye u can bring a claw when ur doing monstro maelstrom on vet and just use it as a defensive stick for boss defense and slap a poxwalker or two between firing the helbore its ok, chaxe just literally kills u and does nothing so d claw wins by default here
comes out ahead by doin nothin (but u can save stamina parrying plogryn charge and cap the block cost hell yea)
lyric burrow
I find dclaw to be usable
viral solstice
would u say its one of the weapons of all time
lyric burrow
Thats a good way to put it
still hearth
I'd rather use dclaw than psword
spice veldt
I'd rather use dclaw than psword
deranged
upper galleon
the thing about chaxe is that ur not even safe pressing light
i barely use chaxe lights
viral solstice
wait a second...
still hearth
deranged
It's not based on effective use, I just hate the shitty dodges and special spam
thorn cedar
every swing with chaxe is giving yourself up to gods will which is why its only for zealots
upper galleon
just spam heavies and a push attack if there is 2 or more bruisers
spice veldt
It's not based on effective use, I just hate the shitty dodges and special spam
ye
still deranged
you deranged person
spice veldt
deranged
still hearth
still hearth
I'm a Zealot main
lyric burrow
I prefer psword to dclaw but only when i dont charge it
still hearth
I'm obviously deranged
upper galleon
cause LMAO chaxe lights are a whole other mess
spice veldt
psword has cool effects with the special
i prefer melee as a psword vet than an illisi psyker
still hearth
Psword is so sloooow
viral solstice
i prefer melee as a psword vet than an illisi psyker
lyric burrow
What even is chaxe cleave limit on lights
viral solstice
funny story
still hearth
1
viral solstice
if u get enough power to cleave
lyric burrow
Cause you just get stuck on body mass
still hearth
Or less
indigo portal
the thing about chaxe is that ur not even safe pressing light
Push Attack > H2 my beloved.
upper galleon
if your light attacks cleave
you do about 10% damage
because the shredding is the majority of your damage
viral solstice
Push Attack > H2 my beloved.
push attack > H2 to avoid using the booby trap attacks and still do nothing....
inspirational...
indigo portal
push attack > H2 to avoid using the booby trap attacks and still do nothing....
It's to avoid using H1 > H2 because bad.
indigo portal
If I take Chaxe I take it to 1 shot elites.
viral solstice
both push attack and heavies target capped too, its like the perfect mixture of terrible weapon properties
lyric burrow
I havent used chaxe in forever but i think it still managed to cause me less physical pain than recon
indigo portal
Absolutely. It is not blessed by any means. However if I want a chain alternative to a Thammer I'll take Chaxe because it sucks for horde clear about the same and does about the same damage to non-unyielding enemies iirc.
still hearth
Recon
indigo portal
Horrible against bosses for a few reasons, but it'll kill a Crusher in 1 hit.
viral solstice
"if you want a chain alternative to the thunder hammer" well you see ...
viral solstice
the thunder hammer is already the bad thunderhammer
u dont need to make it worse by making the self-stun also a rev
lyric burrow
I only find recon unfun because when i really desperately need to kill the bomber in the back i cant
And theres 8 of them
viral solstice
and the thammer is bad in like, cool and unique ways
like the 0 armour mod on the flak cleave
indigo portal
the thunder hammer is already the bad thunderhammer
Yes but no chain not cool.
viral solstice
now thats innovation
like i love real jank dogshit in this game im a known dogshit enjoyer
but the chainaxe is just not even funny, its like getting naked and rolling around in a pile of thumb tacks
indigo portal
Why would I want chnvvvv vwooom followed by lightning noises when I could get KRRRVVVVVROOOOOOOOM and chain saw noises
viral solstice
how many buffs to make chaxe usable is the question
unlike other slaught weapons its terrible with slaught right
so what ungodly CRANKAGE does that poor lad need
still hearth
You gotta die every time you swing
indigo portal
how many buffs to make chaxe usable is the question
I tend to only use Headtaker + Thrust. Gives exactly the output I'm looking for. Of course, I use it on Zealot so I get extra melee stuff but I don't spec into it any harder than other weapons.
I wouldn't recommend it on say, Veteran, because my current understanding of the best horde clear combo is stamina dependent and it isn't worth it to clear hordes with a Chaxe.
It's like the downsides of Deadshot but without anything nearly as beneficial.
viral solstice
if you are spending stamina
to do a 3-target capped puish attack
ur in trouble
if a horde clear combo does not in fact clear a horde
what should one call it
philosophical question
bold estuary
end of the day , the prb with Chaxe , is Chaxe
indigo portal
However I use it because fun and can almost pull it's weight. Not by any means do I use it to outclass a different weapon. All I am is a chain weapon enjoyer but not really a stan for them, as they are reasonably malnourished.
bold estuary
big patch better buff them or we riot
indigo portal
We evidently have different tastes regarding using poorly balanced weapons Mr. Crab, but I will stand by and say that despite it being bad it's still fun to use for me. Similar to how people partake in bull riding for fun (weirdos).
viral solstice
i hate the chainaxe because it is a chainsaw axe in a game that does melee combat very well and it's one of the most upsetting weapons to use in the entire game
it's just a cosmic tragedy
viral solstice
with the evis u can see they tried something with the mechanics at least
the insane jank of the rev heavy and so on
but with chaxe it really does feel like they gave up
thorn cedar
i already know that the blessings are almost all first pass stuff with little revision but yea
indigo portal
i hate the chainaxe because it is a chainsaw axe in a game that does melee comba...
Yeah, again, I'd say it's pretty malnourished. Zero QoL is present with the Chaxe. Only redeeming feature is the single target damage and it's outclassed by a more fleshed out weapon. But I think that's why it's fun for me to use, jumping through hoops to use the thing keeps my rot-consumed brain happy.
thorn cedar
it's wild that they slapped all that +power on it but never considered the cleave + rev interaction and how it instantly breaks
viral solstice
u need to go back tot he stop and demand a refund
nad they have to give u a second one
AT LEAST
indigo portal
I'd still probably use my MkVII Dclaw more, but I'll always keep my Chaxe around just in case I'm ever feeling it.
viral solstice
somewhere out there is the mirror universe
and they have Good Chaxe
and they're laughing...
indigo portal
Good chain weapons in general for that matter.
exotic tulip
Warp resistance as a dump stat on the illisi?
lyric burrow
Mobility
Warp res doesnt need to be 80 but you dont want it super low since your spamming specials ideally
Low warp res isnt the end of the world though
Im using one till i roll a better one
exotic tulip
Just got bloodthirsty, didn't know it was on force swords.
lunar hollow
man car car
spice veldt
exotic tulip
But just pulled deflector 4 off my 368 force sword put it on my 377 with 60 warp resist
languid tusk
It's not based on effective use, I just hate the shitty dodges and special spam
psword dodge is so short, even with 80 mobility you can't dodge chaos spawn grab with a normal dodge
need to do dodge slide
potent echo
I use thrust chainaxe just to see the animation more often
spice veldt
you can dodge the grab if you're near the center and go to the right instead of left or backwards
languid tusk
yeah thats what im saying, most weapons can dodge the grab by going left but not powersword
spice veldt
How do you feel about me being an official zealot main
DIE
eh, even with the other weapons
not as great against the chaos spawn but you can also spot dodge a bunch of things anyways
besides for diving ranged patrols, I don't really count dodge distance for anything
since I'm used to dodging with BB while channeling anyways
potent echo
High dodge distance is how you ledge yourself
languid tusk
i tried to fight chaos spawn a few times in the psykanium, with caxe/taxe/shovel you only need 1 stamina curio to 1v1 the spawn as vet
with the psword you need 2 stamina curio, and even that is cutting it close
young zinc
so it kinda seems like the new talent system really isnt gonna solve the porblem of blessings and weapons defining if your pulling your weight or not, according to jtclive and other folks who got to playtest
languid tusk
so it kinda seems like the new talent system really isnt gonna solve the porblem...
as long as there is a clear power difference between weapons/blessings that will always be the case IMO
potent echo
Yea, doesn't surprise me at all
spice veldt
yeah it's not as good as the other weapons and whatnot, esp when compounded with vet's longer dodge cooldown
though my build is always anti-boss so I don't care for soloing bosses too much
potent echo
yeah it's not as good as the other weapons and whatnot, esp when compounded with...
Do those hidden mechanics stay? Like the stupid vet stam Regen delay
spice veldt
whaddya mean stay
do you mean in like the playtest or whatnot, cuz I'm not a playtester
languid tusk
Do those hidden mechanics stay? Like the stupid vet stam Regen delay
or the zealot 100% thoughness damage reduction while sliding
potent echo
Yea like are they tied to the character
languid tusk
vets getting oneshot by scap captain because they dodge the overhead too early and can't dodge again for nearly 2 seconds
spice veldt
so it kinda seems like the new talent system really isnt gonna solve the porblem...
though if they nerf the blessings and don't nerf the feats, then that'll move strength away from our weapons and to our base kit
languid tusk
still hearth
vets getting oneshot by scap captain because they dodge the overhead too early a...
G i t g u d
spice veldt
being able to take >2 toughness feats will prob alleviate people's concerns with ranged combat
spice veldt
vets getting oneshot by scap captain because they dodge the overhead too early a...
vets being able to get enough toughness to tank a crusher overhead (260)
and also overheads being extremely lenient to dodge in general
still hearth
Vet being able to tank several sniper shots 
languid tusk
vets can get enough thoughness to tank a sniper round during volley fire (306.25)
viral solstice
actually vets can tank sniper and overhead for same reason
spice veldt
306.25 innit
still hearth
Vet more like veg
spice veldt
spice veldt
i do take a single sniper res
and just slapped combat ability regen, block eff, and whatever elsewhere
still hearth
Comb-
spice veldt
i'm not a counterfire vet so i can't reliably extend my ult
spice veldt
shaving off 3 seconds off of what is essentially a 20-second cooldown is pretty good
and that's in the minimum case
vet's ult is essentially gives them god mode
languid tusk
with auto reload and thoughness recharge, getting shorter cooldown basically gives you more thoughness / second
spice veldt
for stuff like monstrosity maelstroms, I won't be able to extend anyways
and having that sweet 2.625x bonus against monstrosities more frequently will be real nice
still hearth
with auto reload and thoughness recharge, getting shorter cooldown basically giv...
This is the worst
languid tusk
1 sharpshooter vs 300 scab gunners, who wins ? 
spice veldt
graia brauto with pinning fire
potent echo
People don't actually run sprint efficiency? 
potent echo
Nice
spice veldt
i used to be a 3x stam with all of the stamina perks on my vet and psyker early on
thorn cedar
back when i was still poking into damnation for the first time i had three +3 (but actually +1) stam curios lul
but now it's like
i can multiply my stamina bar by a factor instead of using up a curio slot to do it
even if that multiplication is use dependant
cold geode
spice veldt
personal preference, but i'd dump mobility
heady swan
I got Slaughter and Bloodthirsty and even if it's not optimal Bloodthirsty looks so fun.
Considering I spam the special.
spice veldt
i run warp absorption so I don't care for peril generation for quietitude, and being able to spam the special is worth more than having a damage bonus from peril
spice veldt
surge/trauma for melee builds
heady swan
Which I am sorta going for.
Slashy Psyker.
Ideal blessings / traits for surge staff?
The crit one and charge reduction ones?
runic juniper
Illisi is also the best to pair with guns, since you can spam the special without having to discharge it to build peril
upper galleon
Ideal blessings / traits for surge staff?
nexus flurry perks flak+your choice of unarmored, maniac or unyielding
teal needle
I would def pair illisi with shredder
Also, I'm running two health curios should I just run a third or get +3 stamina in the third slot instead 🤔
Definitely coming around on not bringing bonus wounds
echo cosmos
You only need +1 wound imo for higher difficulties
shrewd comet
Ugh. Why is the psyker armor from the commissary so much more expensive than the other classes 😡
teal needle
I really rarely go down and then get back up in auric personally lol
indigo portal
Also, I'm running two health curios should I just run a third or get +3 stamina ...
With Illisi, it's really easy to get % Toughness procs with Warp Absorption. Alternatively, since you're running Gunker, Essence Harvest is also an option since you cannot generate peril enough to use Quietitude. Because of this, +Toughness scales really well, giving extra safety from ranged damage. My Psyker runs 2x Toughness 1x Stamina (I use a Deimos with Deflector running KD). I'd recommend a mix of Health/Toughness, and a +Stamina only if you're running a Force Sword with Deflector.
teal needle
I am running deflector, which is a big part of why I'm considering +stam. Will consider toughness though. Appreciate the cushion vs gunners but it feels like 90% of the time I'm clenched in auric is when the stuff that strips toughness start firing.
fluid knot
You only need +1 wound imo for higher difficulties
Really shouldnt even need that if you're comfortable in higher settings
More HP or Toughness is nearly always preferable
echo cosmos
I am not comfortable enough in higher difficulties for only 2 wounds
teal needle
Honestly since I started paying attention to it I have not gone down twice between med stations at all. If things are going that poorly I'm usually dead lol
fluid knot
Thats fair, you'll get there though, does take time
gusty furnace
Definitely coming around on not bringing bonus wounds
I bring zero wounds on everyone
wounds bad
dont plan around failing
fluid knot
He's right tbh^
gusty furnace
don't be that player
fluid knot
The extra value from just one HP curio in its place does outweigh the usefulness of a wound by quite a margin it must be said
teal needle
For the longest time I've been running 2 hp curious and never regretted it. Plenty of times I'm running around at <20% health and thank goodness for their existence
cinder moon
i have a build with 3 wound curios so i can troll my friends and be the grenade
teal needle
The biggest brain psyker imo
fluid knot
I mean, i guess by radius due to the distance you're splattering your brains 😄
It is funny to be the human bomb tho
cinder moon
i also like to overcharge my plasma at the end of missions and claim to be the psyker now
cinder moon
perils of the warp does like 2k damage so there's some utilty there lol
teal needle
Guess it's settled I'm going all wounds then
spice veldt
perils does like 600 damage up close
echo cosmos
Thats fair, you'll get there though, does take time
At least theoretically I am not comfortable.
In practice I don't own wound curios and if I do I don't use them because my HP curios are stupidly strong
fluid knot
Still makes me laugh that i got the old version of "Out with a bang" from saving a Vet from a Mauler squad by exploding myself 😄
Totally on accident, but it was a win nonetheless 😄
teal needle
I got the old Out With a Bang by trolling my IRL friends while playing the game
"YOU STAY RIGHT THE F THERE DON'T YOU DARE HELP ME" I shout, I as I run into a berserker patrol with a trauma staff, then start shouting triumphantly when I go down
They didn't understand at first but once they started trying to do the veteran 'don't get hit' triumph they knew my tribulations
cinder moon
perils does like 600 damage up close
it'll chunk reapers for about half their health on damnation if you're right next to them
cinder moon
they should both count as unyielding 😂
exotic tulip
Imagine if the brauto had the autogun blessings
Imagine if it had ogryn Heavy Stub blessings
spice veldt
fucking babysitting trauma psykers are the worst
fuckers will see me with a psword and decide to put their circle directly on or in front of me
and in a power outage mission
fluid knot
To be fair Arco, AoEs in the hands of anyone who doesnt know how to use them is annoying, Ogryns with Rumbler, Vets throwing grenades at the feet of people in melee an Psykers with Trauma doing the same
spice veldt
yeah, I've expressed my discontentment with rumbler ogryns as well
but I don't see them enough to rant about them too often
but maybe when I have one of the best hordeclear melee weapons, they should put their circle elsewhere
or not put their circle on me when i'm fighting a horde or diving a ranged patrol
fluid knot
You'd think, but alas
spice veldt
annoying little shits
fluid knot
Its one of the top 5 most irritating habits a Darktide player can have
indigo portal
They're such useful weapons and yet I see them misused frequently.
spice veldt
and this was in a power outage mission so I was getting legitimately blinded
e.g., when I'm aiming my bolter with my ult up and they decide to blast their circle
psykers who've never played other classes are the most infuriating of the bunch
shit playstyles
shit opinions
fluid knot
Again, true in the case of all classes tbh
spice veldt
but even more infuriating as a psyker main
seeing dumb little shits remark on brainburst having good single-target DPS
fluid knot
If someone only plays one, then they dont know how to work with others properly
flat glacier
seeing dumb little shits remark on brainburst having good single-target DPS
Meanwhile ogryn with the box
fluid knot
Only things Box kills in one hit that brainburst cant be made to is Reapers an Muties tbf
I guess bulwarks too, but thats harder to pull off with box
flat glacier
Still
Brainburst is better cause its basically infinite
And you dont need to aim or anything
lucid terrace
I like that brainburst explodes heads
fluid knot
Oh dont get me wrong, i love brainburst, as a Void player you end up heavily reliant on it, but its far from a DPS tool. Merely burst damage, clue in the the name an what not
flat glacier
I like the audible crunch of it
lucid terrace
I feel like a real psychic monster when I make a poxburster’s head turn into applesauce
flat glacier
Just dont pop them in someones face
lucid terrace
Too late
flat glacier
Its fuckung annoying
fluid knot
Only way to make it a DPS tool is abuse WnR not having a stack cap thats actually achieveable in-mission, but then thats not single target DPS either
flat glacier
I mean it works
flint pawn
fluid knot
Ye for sure, it gets a lot of undeserved hate because you have to set it up to be effective an that takes time, but it gains a lot more value the higher up the difficulty ladder you go
flat glacier
Especially if the team isnt exactly balanced
fluid knot
Well thats why Psyker is so valuable with its kit, you can do a bit of pretty much everything all in one build ey
flat glacier
Which is almost always
fluid knot
Can work pretty well if everyone is competant
flat glacier
I mean it worked
manic halo
UR annoying
flat glacier
Not for me as a professional ball washer you just send em flying
digital narwhal
I've still yet to find one T4 Warp Flurry on a Trauma Staff since Launch
manic halo
digital narwhal
Why is my luck like this?
fluid knot
Buy a rabbit's foot 😄
manic halo
grots foot
fluid knot
Or aquire one through other means
flat glacier
I dont like that they made blessings in this way overall
Its just way too complicated to get into
I thought ill be good after hundreds of hours in vermintide, i was wrong
It took me a good bit of time to even get how items work
With their gear score
digital narwhal
T4 Warp Flurry is the ONLY Blessing I don't have for Trauma Staffs
Pls FS
Give it to me
spice veldt
i have hopium for a tutorial for crafting
flat glacier
I was looking for best gear score possible in google and still not sure.
I got it that base best for weapon is 380
But for curious there is no info
spice veldt
80 max for the main perk and 75 for the side perks (25 each)
however, curios currently have a bugged ass rating
which popped up in the patch when they allowed you to mix-n-match your perk and blessing modifications
and before that patch, t4 side perks were bugged to contribute 5 extra rating to the total
so people didn't really bother to talk about the rating of curios cuz they're fairly whack
making 80 + 75 = 155 is a really hard task to do
flat glacier
The fact that game itself doesnt tell you this, is kinda a problem too
digital narwhal
FINALLY
I just spent 200k, along with recycling Dockets from dismantled Staves, into Consecrating
and on the very last one
I finally got it
flat glacier
Emperor be praised
lofty temple
trash it
flat glacier
Ive never even seen a t4 less so t5 but ive only played for maybe 5 6 days
digital narwhal
I hope we get to use Inner Tranquillity with Warp Unleashed with the October 4th update
It'd go hard with Trauma Staff
plucky flax
Fun fact rending shockwave doesn't increase your own damage.
So just don't even bother to run it.
manic halo
I like it cause it makes ogryn #44441 who blasts his heavy stubber into carapace kill slightly quickly
plucky flax
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