psyker-class

[olive ember]

Yes?

[spice veldt]

true

you only shit on focused channeling 90% of the time instead of 100%

[fresh reef]

Turning mine all the way down so I can really lean into my frail old hag vibes

[spice veldt]

amazing

[olive ember]

Idk why you recommend focused channeling when 90% of psykers will never utilize it

[fresh reef]

At least, until I put on literally any decent looking torso cosmetic so my body customization just goes out the window

[spice veldt]

at least in this case, I'm quite expectant of baddy to be a player who can use it since he's a fairly high level player

and I don't recommend focused channeling all the time

I just recommend warp flurry + rending shockwave

you talk like I'm recommending it every time a trauma discussion pops up

[olive ember]

I meannnn

[spice veldt]

just shut the fuck up if you have nothing to say

[fresh reef]

Is it a bad thing that I have a crippling addiction to turning the entire screen blue?

[broken carbon]

is rending or crits better? or is just kinda like

luck

[spice veldt]

you can't even be endearing like stan or darcy are when you do the same bit again and again

[olive ember]

I mean whenever you say rending shockwave you always talk about how it’s useless and only good with premades which is

Not true?

[willow escarp]

wat

[spice veldt]

it is very true

[fresh reef]

(real drama goin down in #psyker-class)

[olive ember]

For trauma? Depends on build

Damn this counts as drama?

[spice veldt]

I've already argued about this with you multiple times and the point seems to go past you every time

[willow escarp]

being able to always trauma your feet when you’re overwhelmed is something that basically everyone will use at one point

[olive ember]

You can do that without focused channeling?

[willow escarp]

if you get hit?

[olive ember]

Skill issue

[willow escarp]

doesn’t matter

don’t take any blessings, skill issue

play with grays noob

[olive ember]

Lmao

[olive ember]

I mean I just disagree entirely that it’s bad in pubs. the amount of fucking eviscerator zealots, revolver vets, stubber ogryns, the list goes on

Does having a team to communicate that you are stripping armor produce better results? Well no shit

But I just disagree with your point entirely

[spice veldt]

sure your team can damage it

but also, you're a psyker

a psyker with trauma and brainburst

[willow escarp]

yeah for me it’s the opposite, I’d prefer rending in pubs because in premade there’s a 100% chance of at least one bolter lol

[spice veldt]

armour is not killing your team any time soon unless you're split, in which case, rending isn't helping at all

[willow escarp]

do agree though that if I have a trauma I’m really not worried about crushers much

[olive ember]

Idk who you play with in randos. My teams are dying to poxwalkers and crusher spam all the time

[spice veldt]

most bolters run shattering impact so I don't worry about them

[spice veldt]

and those are games where you have the trauma staff?

[olive ember]

And I’ve seen multiple games where there’s a stubber ogryn spraying to the crushers

[spice veldt]

because I know that you're not a trauma main

[olive ember]

??

I mean trauma is my secondary staff

Well primary nowadays

Because I haven’t run surge in a long while

[willow escarp]

me playing zealot spraying a crusher with my ult up “YOU DONT GET IT”

[lunar hollow]

all of my examples of me dying to crushers or teammates dying to crushers

is like

when u literally stop playing the game

or paying attention

[spice veldt]

I legitimately do not get games where the team dies to ogryn patrols

[lunar hollow]

and its lights out

[harsh urchin]

i think if the team is dying to ogryn patrols

they prob would've died to anything else

lmao

[lunar hollow]

elites are probs the easiest thing to fight solo tbh

u should be able to handle them

[willow escarp]

yeah usually it’s not a problem but every now and then you fuck up get pincered

[lunar hollow]

since a lot of them have deterministic behavior that is also really fucking derpy

like gunners/reapers magdumping walls

[willow escarp]

crushers turn the corner in a hallway or top of stairway, then you turn around and there’s 5 bulwarks behind you

[lunar hollow]

or ragers pretty much being locked into a small area when they start attack cycles

like fuck i would rate fighting a swarm of bruisers higher than elites because they cant literally stunlock themselves doing something useless

[willow escarp]

ragers are pretty simple as ogryn and psyker at least

[lunar hollow]

well like, the question becomes, are you dying to ogryn patrols or are you dying to improperly handling multiple enemy types at once

[willow escarp]

slap or push

[knotty willow]

thanks, ill keep that in mind

[lunar hollow]

because if ur backed into a corner, fighting flamers, some shooters, bruisers, etc, and a crusher overhead is what kills you - you couldve very easily died without that crusher being there

[olive ember]

I die when my teammates die to random shit and suddenly I’m fighting 3 specials a horde and a boss at the same time

[broken carbon]

not me tho i’m just built diff

[lunar hollow]

i will be nice

[knotty willow]

illis sword is horde clearing ya?

[lunar hollow]

since i havent played with u

[spice veldt]

same special as the psword yeah

[knotty willow]

gotcha

[willow escarp]

main thing with getting cornered or sandwiched by crushers/bulwarks is it’s harder to physically get past them

[spice veldt]

very similar damage profile with differences in the double/single digits

slightly faster activation and attacks than the psword

[willow escarp]

that other shit I’ll push jump spam out

[upper galleon]

Multiple crushers fuck me up

[broken carbon]

trust me i am not nearly as good as you all

[upper galleon]

Crusher can fuck me up I'm bad at video games

[broken carbon]

i’m pretty good but

y’all are leagues better

[lunar hollow]

well like, depending on situation

[upper galleon]

But I've dodged into overheads aimed at other players before

[lunar hollow]

you can get area denialed by ragers or gunners

and that can be much harder than fighting a bulwark

especially if ur low on ammo and ur teammates are dead - which is normally when shit starts going wrong and i get cornered anyways

[willow escarp]

yea I just mean the specific situation where you accidentally end up with them in both sides of you in a hall/stairway

usually avoidable but, who’s actually paying attention these days

[lunar hollow]

i mean at that point u kinda are gonna have a problem no matter what

if ur surrounded shit is bad

[broken carbon]

90% of the time i get surrounded it’s because a vet threw a grenade into the horde

[lunar hollow]

like i'd probably take crushers/bulwarks surrounding me over ragers n stuff, because with a trauma it's way easier to get out of fighting crushers than it is ragers who have weird movement patterns

and might be spaced to ignore your blast the first time and swing through another enemy into you

[scarlet timber]

Okay whats the build on purge then ?

[thorn cedar]

in this essay i, josho, will outline which type of men i would prefer to be surrounded by

[lunar hollow]

i cannot believe you would do this to me

[olive ember]

Literally the exact same thing but swap wildfire for warp battery

Basically just use both and see what you like

[scarlet timber]

I see thx

[lunar hollow]

i'll take this over pub trauma psykers detting bursters mid-air

[broken carbon]

vets do that to

too

[lunar hollow]

at least it wastes the vet's ammo

(even a bolter will take 3 shots in most cases)

[scarlet timber]

Guys wait for more staves I promise you

[harsh urchin]

people unironically recommending wildfire

[scarlet timber]

We getting at least 4 more

Specially that pyrocast one

[olive ember]

Man I’d drag Josho into a game with me for that 10/10 surge staff gameplay

[scarlet timber]

Reminds me of the pyre staff for sienna

[olive ember]

But fucking homework

I literally don’t have time smh

[lunar hollow]

f

[dapper dove]

Anyone one else's F thing not working lately i have to hit it like 4 times it was fine before the uodate

[naive sedge]

Apologies to bring up focused channelling again

but

Does anyone have this strange hting where whne your staff has focused channelling, it doesn't play the melee warning sound?

might be PURELY my imagination

[dapper dove]

Literally spamming psykinetic wrath and it's not working

[blazing echo]

I was getting some input delay in my last match, my friend dc'd part way thru. Others complaining of similar so I guess there are issues at the moment

Need to chuck another pox hound on the treadmill running the servers

[dapper dove]

I'll clip it next time but it's happening a bunch

[knotty willow]

is there a key binding to switch from previous weapon instead of default back to melee

[blazing echo]

Q toggles

[knotty willow]

ya, but it goes from brain burst to melee when i last had staff out

[blazing echo]

2 is default for your ranged. Could tie it to a mouse button if its easier?

[knotty willow]

might have to

or get used to selecting "1" or "2"

[willow escarp]

yeah for psyker specifically I don’t use Q

[blazing echo]

I made my pc unusable today trying to stick an RSI preventing macro together for Darktide

Thanks Logitech

[restive slate]

I just crafted a new staff with the Tier4 blessing I want, should I extract or build it? Current staff for comparison

[next crown]

If you have the brittleness blessing, I'd put that on the new one over barrage

And use both

[shadow wigeon]

I would keep the staff on the left, swap specialists and barrage. I like infested on trauma for clearing poxwalkers with faster charge time.

Infested, Unarmored, Flak are all nice for faster horde clear.

[next crown]

I got one similar to the blazing spirits one

It's alot of fun

[restive slate]

Nice, thankies!

[plucky flax]

I do.

[plucky flax]

That's a very nice blaze trauma.

[marble locust]

Seems ok

[plucky flax]

Slaughterer is the most op blessing.

Should always have that.

[marble locust]

Don't have it learned on force swords yet

[plucky flax]

[indigo portal]

With a +crit perk and shred it performs better for specifically single target, but sadly it requires a perk to keep up since you lose out on ~4% damage. There's a use case for it though.

[plucky flax]

Yeah man just meme it up

[wanton terrace]

S'up. Best perks for a surge staff? Flak and maniac?

Also warp fluffy and nexus right?

[plucky flax]

Can run flak maniac if you want. I personally use flak crit chance.

[wanton terrace]

Thanks. Crit boosts the nexus...maybe crit dmg would be nice too

[plucky flax]

No never crit damage.

[spice veldt]

+crit dmg perks are added onto your damage in a way that is quite bad

[wanton terrace]

Oh. I hoped it would boost a high dmg

I guess the modifier is stacked rather than compound

[plucky flax]

Flak crit chance surge staff 10 ragers meme

[spice veldt]

that and the fact that the bonus is also fairly low, being only +10%

[indigo portal]

You take +crit since you get multiple stacks of soulblaze when you crit. This causes enemies like poxwalkers who die with only 7 stacks of soulblaze to instead reach as high as 10, due to exponential scaling it allows you to kill much faster. Crit damage has poor increases (+10% can result in as low as +2.5% total damage), and on the Flamers it does not affect the fire damage, just the direct damage.

[spice veldt]

it's the surge staff not the purg staff 😔

[plucky flax]

Surge staff has big crit so crit chance is op.

[indigo portal]

I have been fooled by my own eyes. Woe be upon me.

[spice veldt]

but yeah what exhillious said applies to the purg

crit chance is one of those things that you take just cuz

the staff's bolt LMB is the one that especially benefits from it since it's one of the attacks that has a fairly high crit damage multiplier for some reason

[indigo portal]

Holy shit no kidding.

[spice veldt]

the specific calculation for crit damage perks goes like this
Let's say that you deal 100 base damage and 150 base damage.
+10% crit damage will only boost the bonus damage from crits, which will be 150 - 100 = 50 in this case. So, you'll deal 150 + 50 * 0.1 = 155 damage on a crit instead of 165 if it had been calculated in a sane and normal manner

[spice veldt]

ikr

it's such a weird quirk of the bolts

[north pike]

Good stick?

[indigo portal]

I see why people complain that the Surge blessing damage isn't crit damage for the extra bolt.

[plucky flax]

10 maulers meme

Surge staff is pretty good just not as op as blaze trauma.

Just spam it against everything for unlimited power.

[north pike]

Or should I be trying to learn other stick?

I want to mostly use the illisi and stick for big boys

[spice veldt]

whichever is most fun to you, though I do think the trauma is better than surge

if it's for enabling your melee playstyle, then I vote trauma

[plucky flax]

Mrw I barely touch my melee weapon when playing trauma.

[spice veldt]

i always use melee because I dislike how trauma throws enemies around

and sweet juicy slaughterer stacks

[north pike]

My fire sticks a bit weaker, partially cuz I just don't have warp

[spice veldt]

i did use the trauma more than my melee back when we only had the obscurus

[north pike]

And Void sticks are fake anyway

[plucky flax]

My trauma just boom boom kill kill spash splash wildfire ascendant blaze fire spread.

[spice veldt]

i also just like to flex on pubs by playing melee psyker

[north pike]

I lack a fire trauma stick as well sadly.

[spice veldt]

and I want to show off and hopefully incentivize other psykers to use melee

[plucky flax]

Below 100 melee kills : over 1k range kills ratio.

[north pike]

Oh, and does this work, if I replace both blessings? And leave all that elite damage

[spice veldt]

perish

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

i personally like having at least +maniac on my perks but it is what it is

mine

[north pike]

Yeah, I have another more in line with that, but I think unstable power was a thing suggested?

[spice veldt]

if you're patient, you could wait for the next patch

since there will be buffs to some blessings (such as precognition)

[plucky flax]

I play surge staff melee psyker when I have to do melee kills contract though. Cos the range contracts don't count with warp kills. 😦

[north pike]

Oh hey, reminded myself of the unstable power 4 illisi in my melk shop too! Huzzah.

[plucky flax]

100 special kills.

[spice veldt]

crack cocaine

mutant wave?

[plucky flax]

Still 300 range kills with surge that's op.

[spice veldt]

op

[plucky flax]

Yeah smol muties count for specials but smol dogs don't.

At least on my scoreboard anyway.

[north pike]

Oh, and is obscurus worth anything at all?

[spice veldt]

might as well grab it if you have some dockets

if you have hopium for buffs

(like I do)

but as it is currently, no

since an obscurus is a strictly worse deimos

[plucky flax]

Play duelling sword for the swag.

[north pike]

I've grabbed a few, but no idea wat the goals are for them

[spice veldt]

i'd spec it like you would with the illisi personally

[north pike]

rampage feels wrong though

[plucky flax]

Movement speed and specials sniping.

[spice veldt]

o duelling swords

[plucky flax]

Don't run rampage it's pointless.

Duelling sword will help you get the <100:1000> ratio.

[north pike]

I really enjoy crab walking around with the force swords

[spice veldt]

the meta that fatshark envisioned

[north pike]

What else could infinite dodges mean. And why isn't duelling sword the one with that. The world may never know

[plucky flax]

Duelling sword is faster than force sword.

[vast sky]

So, what could I do with these two?

[near wyvern]

Special sniping?

https://youtu.be/DW3nVCcyups

[plucky flax]

@mossy surge

[mossy surge]

Idk why you tagged me, but

[plucky flax]

[mossy surge]

About to do some laundry tho

[plucky flax]

I am about to run in the heat and cry.

[plucky flax]

Revolver is op. Needs some sort of speed loader though.

And 6 shots instead of5. D:

[ivory heath]

i dont see ppl running surge staff much is it just underpowered compared to others

[plucky flax]

It's good just doesn't do as much damage and people like to do damage.

[hidden crystal]

Hmm. To me, I'd say I saw Surge pretty often.

I'm not hugely paying attention, but for me it seems like Purgatus is most common, Void is least common, and Trauma and Surge are somewhere in the middle.

[crude trout]

from my server, purgatus and surge are common

[spice veldt]

purg and surge are also the most common on NA west

though I might overestimate surge because I tend to notice how annoying pub surge psykers are

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, Surge and Purge matter most as far as influencing what I'm doing, so possibly I'm noticing them more.

[crude trout]

from my side, all purge and surge psykers I encounter know how to melee

[feral inlet]

purg and surg are definitely the most common psykers

[spice veldt]

where are you getting these surge psykers

I want them

[feral inlet]

ive seen maybe like 5 pub trauma psykers to my memory

and one of them was pygex

[crude trout]

Asia server!

[spice veldt]

god damnit

on the other side of the ocean

[crude trout]

why how are surge psykers in yours?

[spice veldt]

absolutely horrible

[feral inlet]

usually bad

[spice veldt]

melee is not frequently used on NA west

[feral inlet]

they surge everything

[spice veldt]

p much

[feral inlet]

3 poxwalkers? surge.

30 poxswalkers? surge

[crude trout]

ohh yea disclaimer tho, gotta play in auric or histg to encounter the surge ones

[spice veldt]

ye hishock and auric, but I still encounter these surge psykers

especially egregious on hishock, though I don't meet psykers in general on auric

though I also have like 90% of psykers on NA west blocked

[crude trout]

ayee I feel you

hope it gets better on your side tho

[spice veldt]

thanks for the prayers

[hidden crystal]

More than one player with short range tends to mean I'll be using the MG12 quite a lot to keep shooters under control, so I notice people turning up with those more than the longer ranged stuff.

[crude trout]

ohh what's rare on my server are gun psykers

I rarely encounter psykers with shredders on mine

and if I do, they don't hoard ammo

or maybe I'm just unlucky and I keep getting paired to the ones that use staves

[spice veldt]

i encounter them here and there, so probably between rare and uncommon here

players are usually ammo goblins

[lucid terrace]

I'm so hungry for ammo

[spice veldt]

i rarely get players who come close to even 50/50 melee/ranged damage

and basically none who have more melee than ranged damage

[lucid terrace]

I wish I could understand gun psykers

[crude trout]

what about vets on your side?

in mine, I rarely encounter off-meta vets

[lucid terrace]

Why play with a gun when you could play with a staff that shoots lightning or fire? Isn't being a wizard fun?

[crude trout]

most common are bolter - PS / BM axe vets followed by shredder

[spice veldt]

i'm on psyker purely for the brainburst, so my ranged and melee weapons are whatever works

though I'm currently powertripping on bolter vet

[lucid terrace]

Aren't the class reworks supposed to do something with brainburst?

[spice veldt]

not with brainburst specifically, but we'll get more flexibility in our talent picks

we'll also get access to new blitz--the shards which are also some aim assist weapon and a lightning akin to surge

my guess is that the shards are closer range and better for non-carapace/bulwark enemies

[near wyvern]

Because at Auric Damnation people are able to handle elites and hordes. It's usually those specials and especially disablers or zoners that end the run. Revolver can shoot though trash to one shot those run enders except a mutant, but Deimos can one shot the mutant.

[hidden crystal]

I like psyker's melee, but the staves don't thrill me.

[lucid terrace]

I see I see

[plucky flax]

Zealots tend to have more melee than range kills.

[hidden crystal]

Surge and Purge are a problem if the team comes poorly equipped to handle lots of shooters (means breaking cover and coherency to deal with them), Trauma is really awkward to aim, and Void is underwhelming on its single target damage.

[spice veldt]

true, zealots tend to be closer to or have more than a 50/50 split

[plucky flax]

Surge is so good against shooters I dunno how that doesn't work out for you.

Just make them dance.

[spice veldt]

wish I got more melee-oriented players on vet/psyker

[lucid terrace]

I've been waiting for force greatsword...

I have to keep hoping

[fluid knot]

Melee orientated Vets are rare as rocking horse shit because most of them can only play PSword

Shame there aint more what use the Shovel, that thing is one of the most enjoyable melee weapons in all of DT

[spice veldt]

you can still use melee for at least 70% of the match with the psword by utilizing sprint-sliding

psword vets have no excuse to not be using their melee besides personal preference and being dogshit at melee

[crude trout]

yeah, vets I encountered use the p-sword and bolter but they rarely use the P-sword

[spice veldt]

i genuinely bought into the lie that the psword was an immobile weapon

and it turns out that the people saying that just don't know how to sprint-slide

[crude trout]

good vets are extremely rare

but the run's fun when there's a good vet

[hidden crystal]

Or you have nothing to do.

[fluid knot]

Its not an immobile weapon, but it is pretty slow an tbh, its not really an enjoyable gameloop because it doesnt really have any substantial weaknesses against any common targets. Ofc its not spectacular vs monstrosities, but thats not really a huge downer when you could just run Boltgun

[spice veldt]

yeah, not mechanically interesting

but I do like doing big numbers, so it's the sort of weapon that appeals to me

stupidly op brainless weapon

obscurus buffs hopium

get back into the l1 h2 cancel groove

[fluid knot]

I get the appeal if you want a power fantasy. For me though it just doesnt feel all that fun because its hugely one-dimensional

I wish more weapons had interesting combo potential to reach their maximum output tbh

As opposed to just looping the same attack however many times

[spice veldt]

and having more interesting push-attacks

i've run into situations where I've had to make use of the psword's push-attacks and those were always one of the more mechanically fun moments

[fluid knot]

Yeah, ideally that would'nt a combo breaker so much as it were part of the combo

[spice veldt]

ikr

[fluid knot]

The number of weapons what drop their blessing stacks on push attacks is kinda sad

[spice veldt]

another piece of hopium that that gets changed later

[fluid knot]

Like i know they're not good by any stretch of the imagination, but Catachan Swords are fun simply due to the variety in their movesets

Yeah.. though i dont think it'd do any harm to both make push attacks more fluid and have them keep blessing stacks

Dont think there are any instances where making those changes would actively harm a weapon or owt

[spice veldt]

prob just an oversight of their implementation since it would be a shame to just let push-attacks languish

[fluid knot]

Might well be tbh, would'nt hurt to raise the issue to someone who playtests

[spice veldt]

given how questionable that a few of them are already

[fluid knot]

Ye there are certainly some oddballs

[spice veldt]

it's something that I've expected crab to have brought attention to

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats a point, he's good with game mechanics an spotting issues

[cyan notch]

yea vt2 weapons have more depth compared to darktide

[fluid knot]

At least melee weapons yeah

I'll give DT the edge when it comes to ranged

[plucky flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVt8xiXp0Js

Shovel helbore lasgun is a vibe.

Duelling sword is also op for the assassin swag meister out there

[fluid knot]

Lasgun skin or weapon modifier mod? Also you know shovel has a neat animation cancel between the poke an L1? Super useful to deal with ragers in CqC

As soon as the L1 lands, you can poke, which cancels out the endlag of the swing, an they chain together super cleanly

Poke, whack, poke, whack etc etc

[plucky flax]

It's the weapon customisation mod. Good to know that tech. I don't like to melee elites with shovel I was just caught off guard. Even so I press f to shoot ragers anyway they are too spooky for shovel. D:

With other op weapons then it's easy to melee yeah.

[fluid knot]

Aye checks out, nice lookin setup on that

Ah man its real good for ragers in particular because the poke staggers them out of their combos/stunlocks them

Makes them a total non-issue

Can even pull the trick off with a Crusher squad if you get boxed in

Can CC like three of them at once, just with the poke

Idk what the reasoning is behind it, but FS seemed to give both Shovels special attacks humungous utility

[plucky flax]

I don't run uncanny on my shovel tho so it's hard to melee tanky dudes.

[fluid knot]

Nah, me either, with Crushers its more a "keep yourself safe" tech than one for actually killing them, the stagger buys you room enough to unstick yourself from the situation

[plucky flax]

Skullcrushers and decimator are big damage blessings for horde clear so I run them.

[fluid knot]

Yep, thats what i run too, pretty much as good as it gets for Shovel atm

I suppose All or Nothing has some benifit because Vet has shite stam regen so you actually benifit from the bonus a bit

[plucky flax]

Give shovel heavysword headtaker and remove 3 targets damage cap it'll be op

125% power meme

[fluid knot]

Wouldnt be shocked if HS HT is on the chopping block come the October patch tbh

[plucky flax]

Deservedly.

They'll change hs to have slaughterer. Same thing.

[fluid knot]

As i understand it thats also likely to get knocked down a couple pegs

[plucky flax]

I'm up for more skills increase across the board and make people think a bit more.

(Please don't touch my trauma staff.)

(And give me blazing spirit 4 )

[weary walrus]

Are these good base stats or not really?

[olive ember]

not 76 burn

[weary walrus]

Ah so I should have at least 76 burn?

what would you consider the dead stat

and what about this

[feral inlet]

they're both good

[weary walrus]

Oh alright thanks.

Which one would you pick? because the first one has damage under 70

[feral inlet]

uh people like using dmg as the dumpstat

since iirc it doesnt really matter much

so realistically it doesnt matter

peril proc on the purgatus is very little even at low warp res

so i dont think it'd matter much

[queen fog]

Lowkey the staff makes up for any low warp res with that good quell speed

[fresh reef]

could've gone much worse tbh

[olive ember]

technically speaking all the stats are relevant. The two most important things to have is 76+ burn (this is the breakpoint to be able to apply max burn stacks) and max cloud radius. After that all 3 stats can be considereed dump stats. Damage is considered one because the variance on that stat is fairly low so it doesn't rly matter if its not maxed out

[feral inlet]

i'd just go with the safe bet of quell speed and warp res as dumpstats on staffs

although warp res cant be below 40% or its just very very bad since you can only get maybe 3 charged attacks on non-purg staffs

[weary walrus]

I see, alr ty

[hidden crystal]

Comparatively little of the purg staff's total damage comes from its direct damage stat, but instead from its soulblaze.

Given the scaling on the damage stat is small to begin with, that tends to be the dump stat of choice for purg.

[viral solstice]

A single voidstrike kill turns off every shooter in a 12m radius

keep it secret

[plucky flax]

Warp resistance and quell speed are never dump stat for me. D:

[plucky flax]

Sorry I only play 3 staves, sadly voidstrike didn't make the cut.

[viral solstice]

there may well be something to do with this specific family of problem but i cannot say nufin

[naive sedge]

centred on the target or player?

[viral solstice]

target

this hyas always been true

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1c2UMQV1I2a6ok/d1337dlsrfwv?invite=cr-MSxXamUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

it's hilariously stupid and works even on like min charge kills

[plucky flax]

3 psykers no force sword

[whole cliff]

how do u see their loadouts?

is it a mod?

[plucky flax]

Ye

Alright we lost after mid event. These guys are something special.

[upper galleon]

18k damage psyker wtf

God damn what were they doing

[plucky flax]

I dunno just vibing.

[naive sedge]

I think you carried so hard your team went to sleep

and didn't wake up in time when it got busy

Seen it happen

[upper galleon]

Basically my worst games on veteran

I do one slip up or the game fucks me over and suddenly my team collapses cause I was killing 90% of specials and half the elites

[fluid knot]

👀 Crab in with the save

[hollow depot]

what is best for this

lightning magic

i desire this greatly

[upper galleon]

The best way to play surge staff is to play around 6 charges, warp unleashed and your Illisi/BB

[hollow depot]

is it only psyker that can get the bright blue eyes?

[plucky flax]

No ammo pickup melee only modifier with duelling sword is just

These mobs can't catch me.

[echo sigil]

was a nice carry :p

[plucky flax]

[echo sigil]

[plucky flax]

Things got a bit memey at end event. Specials keep spawning in these doors right behind. D:

[echo sigil]

yea was getting abit spicy but we did it. just getting a bomber on top of the last container was painful

but apparently you start was also spicy, i joined like half way in

[plucky flax]

Hrm wasn't that spicy. Just typical guy died and left.

[mossy surge]

Where is my invite?

[echo sigil]

[plucky flax]

But no one joined in forever so it was 3 man for a good while until you joined.

[mossy surge]

[plucky flax]

Dinner soon. D:

I can play 1 or maybe 2 if we're hab dreyko memeing.

[mossy surge]

Lesgoo

[hidden crystal]

I had a game like that recently where it was apparent I was doing most of the horde clear. When I got downed, they couldn't create enough of an opening to get me up again, and took ages to clear up the end of the mid event and rescue me.

[gusty furnace]

The funny thing about this is it doesn't affect bruisers and poxwalkers

nor maulers or ragers

And it works half the time on elite shotgunners/machinegunners

It only reliably works on Groaners

Scab Stalkers too, but its rare for the whole pack to be in the 8 meter range or whatever it is. Same with scab shooters. Scab Stalkers do the walk around firing squad which spreads em out too far and scab shooters have the backbone of a crab(IE, nonexistant) so they're always splitting for cover making crowd suppression pointless

[gusty furnace]

It does completely stop groaner hordes in their tracks though, which is actually pretty useful but its just hyper-niche

[viral solstice]

they dont get suppressed

suppression only works on a very small subset of enemies

[mossy surge]

@plucky flax

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, I'm aware. Just pointing out that of all the horde enemies in the game, it only reliably works on one - groaners

[viral solstice]

ye this was in the context of surge vs shooters

[gusty furnace]

and is extremely niche against scab stalkers/scab shooters, requiring them to be in a patrol pattern

[viral solstice]

vs shooters voidstrike is better in all situations

its a 12m radius

bigger than u can hit with surge and u dont need to be next to it... or use surge

but in reality shooters aren't really that big a problem and haven't been for ages which is why nobody gon do it

[gusty furnace]

Well

scab stalkers are a real issue

Mostly because they're bugged

and to some extent, dreg stalkers

[viral solstice]

oh yeah and that will suppression reapers too

[gusty furnace]

Where the fuck are your melee weapons

[viral solstice]

especially if you kill 2-3

[gusty furnace]

Why the fuck am I being firing squadded by 35 scab stalkers that are 2.1 meters away from me

[viral solstice]

ur gettin stalker

its documentary

[viral solstice]

[deft pulsar]

any recommended improvements?

[plucky flax]

Terrifying barrage to warp nexus.

[hidden crystal]

Fire already suppresses anything that can be suppressed, so Barrage isn't very useful.

It might affect a few enemies you haven't hit, but if you're surrounded it's likely at least partially poxwalkers, which are immune.

[plucky flax]

Demon host meme
https://youtu.be/ZpQ5HnOCyQ0

[olive ember]

why does every clip have random music

[fierce crest]

worth swapping to the left? momentum is nice cc but its got enough damage to 1shot groaners if i miss a headshot

[broken carbon]

keep brutal momentum, and wait til you get to level thirty

you can take brutal momentum off of your current axe and apply it to the new one if you’d like

[fierce crest]

do you always get 400 point rolls at max

[broken carbon]

no, cap is 380

[fierce crest]

well then

new question

[broken carbon]

each modifier is capped at 80

[fierce crest]

do you always get 380 rolls at max

[broken carbon]

no

it’s a lot of RNG

i’ve got over 500 hours and i still don’t have many 380s

but you don’t need 380s, a 360+ with decent stat distribution is plenty good

[hidden crystal]

I've got a reasonable number of 375+ rolls, but I think only two or three 380s. None of which I actually use.

[broken carbon]

same

[hidden crystal]

It's more about hitting the right breakpoints on the right stats, and getting perks and blessings you actually like.

[fierce crest]

yeah. the new axe 1shots groaners on a missed headshot

which def happens

[golden frigate]

never got an usable 380 myself (almost 400h), usually for me they come with damage or penetration/finesse as dump stat

[fierce crest]

do perfect axes 1 tap poxwalkers with a light

cuz if not, 200 damage bodyshots to groaners is a pretty nice breakpoint

[broken carbon]

couldn’t tell you

but

with decimator

once you start grinding against a horde you one shot massive chunks of them at a time

which is why brutal momentum is the best perk for axes

[hollow depot]

ayo i forgot

what stuff is ideal for the surge staff blaze sword build?

[broken carbon]

do you mean feats?

or blessings

[olive ember]

3-1-2-1-3-3

Warp flurry warp nexus surge staff slaughterer deflector/unstable power illisi

[hidden crystal]

I mean, this was my standard Illisi for a long time: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133036349235146822/image.png

[prisma perch]

I think I like blaze trauma over flurry + rend trauma now

I didn’t think I would

[hollow depot]

both

[hidden crystal]

This one is currently replacing it though, even if it means losing a tier of Slaughterer:

[olive ember]

#psyker-class message

[hidden crystal]

But even that one's not got great stats - but it has got a decent blessing and perk combo.

[plucky flax]

@mossy surge

[hollow depot]

yes ty

wtf are these drawings

[fierce crest]

so does that mean the high end of the stat roll is unreachable?

[broken carbon]

yes

[fierce crest]

lul

[broken carbon]

sharktide moment

[fierce crest]

what a strange decision

wait cap of 380, so a perfect roll will always have some things not at 80

[past pollen]

yes

[fierce crest]

neat

[indigo portal]

A perfect roll is four 80's and a 60. There are dump stats on almost every weapon so it can work out perfectly fine. A bit odd though, weird number choices.

[fierce crest]

that part is cool

showing you impossible numbers less so

[past pollen]

I have only 1 weapon with maxed rating, 380 and somewhat decent stat distribution but none of them hit 80

it would be pretty good if it wasn't an unusable variant of the braced autogun

[plucky flax]

It's me and @mossy surge playing with 2 pugs.

[hidden crystal]

Or five 76s, or any real combination in between.

Depending on what the breakpoints are on a given weapon, the ideal roll may well not have a dump stat as low as 60.

[plucky flax]

Illisi no dump stat.

Most op psyker melee weapon.

[hidden crystal]

I've got a few weapons around, despite not being pure 380s, that have nothing below 70:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1145467048902791188/image.png

[plucky flax]

RIP unarmoured.

[hidden crystal]

If I ever wanted to run Shredder Psyker, the closest thing I have to a perfect 550:

I should probably run it at least once before the next patch brings a load of balance changes.

(But, again, nothing under 70).

[mossy surge]

I got more

[spiral lion]

did i hear class overhaul? (sry to joke, just noticed in news)

[olive ember]

Yeah tho I’m mostly interested in not psyker

Mostly because I already like how psyker plays

[fierce crest]

whats a good no thinking light spam melee for hordes

the cleave axe has been nice

but i wanna try something else

[blazing echo]

For psyker? Deimos or Illisi

Both are fun light spams

[fierce crest]

i tried the illisi, didnt like it as well

if i see a good one ill try it again

[near wyvern]

mmh that sweet revolver carry:

[fierce crest]

much prefered its heavy

[blazing echo]

I run Unstable Power and Slaughterer on mine. Capping out on peril? Switch to sword and swing away

[fierce crest]

wish melee weapons displayed rof

hard to check if what feels off is real

[olive ember]

Illisi isn’t a light spam weapon

Tho it’s light are aight it’s heavy spam is much better

Well actually the combo is heavy -> light cuz it’s h1 is better than it’s h2

[blazing echo]

well I'm using it wrong and it still works for me

[olive ember]

But heavy spam is only slightly behind

XD that’s the illisi for ya

[fierce crest]

the feels were correct

[past pollen]

if you haven't tried the dueling swords yet they're funny although you benefit a lot from heavying maniacs

[blazing echo]

Ive got one in the works but its not been a priority. Saw some cool vids of someone using duelling swords

[fierce crest]

i did not enjoy saltzs rapiers in vt so i was kinda avoiding the dueling swords

[olive ember]

Yeah the only thing the dueling sword has going for it is the move tech

Everything else is basically outclassed by the deimos

[blazing echo]

I might use it to get the dodge pennance and then relegate it

[olive ember]

FS are good for that actually

Cuz infinite dodge

So just stand there and dodge spam

Next to a horde

[blazing echo]

mobility on mine must be too low, I keep getting to around 10 then some super stealth groaner or something gets me

[olive ember]

I forget is the penance to do dodges without taking damage

[blazing echo]

dodge 12(?) attacks in a row

[olive ember]

Ah

[fierce crest]

that must mean just 12 without getting hit

theres no way it resets if you dodge but theres no attack

[blazing echo]

think you have to hear the 'impending melee' audio cue

[olive ember]

Yeah sounds pretty aids

[fierce crest]

or an attack whiffs without you dodging

it must just be without getting hit

please

[hidden crystal]

I kind of wonder if my current dodge record is because proccing Ghost on the Infantry Lasguns counts as a dodge.

[fierce crest]

no way, cuz then a reaper would just instantly complete it

[hidden crystal]

That may be more of a question of what counts as an attack though.

[fierce crest]

yeah maybe a whole reaper barrage is one attack

so if its a swarm of shooters thats like 7

[hidden crystal]

I did recently get around to testing Ghost in the Psykanium, because I wasn't certain exactly what it covered.

Even if the description of Deflector unhelpfully does not make it clear that "block ranged attacks" doesn't include snipers, Ghost's "immune to ranged attacks" does include snipers.

[fierce crest]

do snipers suppress you?

ive never cared to notice

too busy reattaching the arm they jsut blew off

[upper galleon]

i think it's a full on stagger

like being near a bomber bomb going off

[hidden crystal]

I'm not sure they suppress, but they basically auto-break your toughness unless you're a Vet with your ult up, unwavering focus and the right curios, so you will be staggered. (Suppression and stagger not being quite the same).

[upper galleon]

it's not an auto break

it's just like a ton of damage

and not just your ult up, you need enough toughness and at least one sniper resistance curio

[hidden crystal]

and the right curios

[old oyster]

is that new blessing ? deflector

[hidden crystal]

Technically no, but as they deliver 1225 Toughness damage on Damnation and if they get through your toughness they ignore any damage reduction it might have conveyed, the difference is frequently moot.

[hidden crystal]

No, that's been around since the start.

[olive ember]

Sorry what was that? You don’t play vet?

[old oyster]

never saw that , and what his job ? i mean how its works

[spice veldt]

illisi light spam is only like 10% slower on poxwalkers stacked on top of each other

[olive ember]

I mean 10% is sizeable enough I’d argue

Considering we obsess over perks that give 25% dmg buffs

[spice veldt]

sure, but you also have to keep the density of enemies in mind

[hidden crystal]

It allows most ranged attacks to be blocked, in a similar fashion to the Ogryn shield. (It will not however block snipers).

[spice veldt]

whether you'll be constantly using up all of the cleave of the heavies in the first place

[olive ember]

Ogryn shield blocks every ranged?

[old oyster]

auto blocks like a duelant sword or you need to use block

[olive ember]

Auto block?

[old oyster]

duelant sword ( if im not wrong with a name ) doing auto block yes

while you holding sword

[olive ember]

First time I heard of it

[old oyster]

this

[olive ember]

Anyone wanna verify

Or clip it

[old oyster]

buy it and try . its blocks automatically not all shots but some of them

[olive ember]

@spice veldt I don’t have funny spawn enemies mod

Pls test

[spice veldt]

I'm sitting at the kitchen so no

[olive ember]

😦

Why are you just sitting in your kitchen

[spice veldt]

y not

[olive ember]

What are you doing in your kitchen

Drinking milk?

[paper harbor]

deflector blessing + kinetic deflection just Ogryn slab shield discount.

[olive ember]

Well better

Because the slab shield is trash

And the FS is stronk

[paper harbor]

fs?

[olive ember]

Force swords

[hidden crystal]

Ogryn shield blocks basically everything except fire, I think. Even things that normally have Block Bypass.

However, I've not actually played Ogryn, so this is second hand information.

[gusty furnace]

Flamers, Bombers, Bursters, Trappers, Dogs, Mutants, Chaos Spawn, Beast of Nurgle, Plague Ogryn Stomp and Upper Cut

These are all things that can ignore shield.

So basically, half the enemies in the game can outright invalidate planting the shield(Which is why the whole mechanic needs to be abandoned)

[prisma perch]

I'm pretty sure first staff is better than the 2nd one for a blaze trauma but thought I'd post and get a second opinon. The stats on each are a little different here and there.

I guess it comes down to the little bit of blast radius or quell speed

[gusty furnace]

For all intents and purposes they're completely identical

[prisma perch]

yeah that's pretty much what I figured

[near wyvern]

revolver build getting some recognition, also happened to clutch the run and revive the whole team xD

[olive ember]

I refuse to validate revolver build

😠

[prisma perch]

I remember rocking the revolver during the early access

[near wyvern]

it was bad because we had no AB or Deimos

throw Deimos and AB into the mix and shit just dies

[prisma perch]

It felt good on uprising lol 😂

[near wyvern]

I still miss access to shotguns

that was fun during early access

[prisma perch]

I didn’t get to experience that cause I was mainly playing veteran 😞

[near wyvern]

heretic

[gusty furnace]

I do wonder why psykers had shotguns removed from them

Maybe because of the whole "10% of your attacks have a chance to proc BB?"

didn't want people using the lawbringer special to spam BB into hordes of enemies or something

Nothing else really makes sense

[prisma perch]

I have no idea

[gusty furnace]

I also struggle to see the point in giving psykers recon lasguns

or infantry autoguns

[prisma perch]

It is odd that they get those but not shotguns

[spice veldt]

maybe classified as too heavy of a weapon

[gusty furnace]

but. . .

shotguns are like the lowest skill requirement weapons out there

Point barrel downrange

Pull trigger

[prisma perch]

Ogryn should have a big shotgun then

Maybe they’ll add in a sort of shotgun like staff or something for psyker

I don’t know anything about lore or anything but maybe there’s something psykers can do that’s similar in nature.

[gusty furnace]

Psykers can turn gravity upside down and teleport

Shooting "shotgun pellets" of warp energy seems like child's play

[compact bluff]

no, its just that the duelling sword has a stagger animation where it looks like you block but it's just that, a stagger animation. nothing special

[plucky flax]

2nd one let you quell for 2 ticks from max peril to full blast again due to high quell speed.

[hoary badge]

I can see psykers being big snobs and refusing to use crude weapons such as shotguns

[prisma perch]

Thank you! 👍

[prisma perch]

Since it’s childs play to do that maybe that’s why they refuse to use shotguns? they are just beneath them or the concept of them is idk.

[hidden crystal]

We're too delicate. Can't possibly handle the recoil of a 12 gauge.

Waves around a very heavy longsword single-handed.

[hoary badge]

In any case I'm fine with less guns cluttering our weapon pool

[spice veldt]

strong wrists weak arms

the day that we hit the gym is when we will be the most feared

[prisma perch]

When the psykers muscles are big as an ogryns

[hoary badge]

When ogryn's brain is as big as psyker

[spice veldt]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/VOEjPaQG2Dm9mpVPwnGF4kllteZcdD5NLRfBeE-QB40/%3Fsize%3D80%26quality%3Dlossless/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897990245658787881.webp

[hidden crystal]

I do have a Vet at about Lvl 26 or so, but eeeeeh.

[gusty furnace]

FWIW, swords aren't heavy

they're in the realm of maybe 2 pounds

for a traditional longsword

the dueling sword pysker uses would be in the realm of ounces

[hidden crystal]

Real world swords aren't heavy - but the blade on an Illisi is so much thicker than any real world longsword or zweihander.

[hidden crystal]

Said vet has been stalled at about that level for quite some time.

[flat shadow]

This makes using staff melee fun it's amusing to poke a bruiser with your staff and his head just explodes

Also makes Obscurus special busted because each tick in the enemy can cause a brain burst

Do like 4k damage by accident

[shadow wigeon]

I haven't looked at breakpoints for psyker, what revolver build are you using?

[olive ember]

hes taking a purge build and replace the purge staff with a revolver

1/1/1/1/1/2

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I meant the revolver specifically. There are so many ways to build them,

[olive ember]

I'd assume the typical crit revolver

this not much else you can build on it thats good

[knotty willow]

awesome, just ogt to 30. there a pin for the meta loadout with stats, perks and blessings?

[shadow wigeon]

There are a bunch of ways to bild it, depending on what you're targeting, although psyker +damage probably removes a lot of options that a zealot has to choose from (sniper vs crushers vs armored etc)

[spice veldt]

no pins but you can search some relevant keywords to see opinions and arguments or even ask right about now to start a new argument

[shadow wigeon]

Yes I agree Surge is the best staff

[spice veldt]

🙂

perish

[knotty willow]

void strike staff is the only one I haven't used. what it do/used as?

[shadow wigeon]

Children's birthday parties, opening used car lots, things like that

[spice veldt]

ranged anti-trash weapon that inflicts a lot of suppression

i'd personally rate it as the weakest staff

[knotty willow]

good at dmg or used mostly for supression

[shadow wigeon]

It has a specific build Flurry/Transfer Peril, that is quite fun to use. It's a bit risky to use at highest difficulty though

[spice veldt]

it has good hordeclear DPS and suppression but terrible single-target DPS

[shadow wigeon]

It does a lot of damage, but is hard to clutch with.

[spice veldt]

it has moderate cleave (6 cleave) and has no damage falloff, so if you can make use of the cleave, then the damage output but will be fine

[shadow wigeon]

It is very consisten single target at least. It damages everything, just very "average" damage.

[spice veldt]

very below average if you compare it to a gun

[knotty willow]

oh so can use demious (w/e its called) sword to compliment it then?

[spice veldt]

unlike guns which are more flexible and voidstrike is hardlocked into the role that it has

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah there isn't any flexibility to it.

I do love switching to it for a few games, it's a very FUN staff to use, but frustrating when things go poorly. And it's bad in tight quarters too.

The more you are backed in a corner, the worse it performs, which is not true of the other staffs. This only really matters at the max difficulty though.

[knotty willow]

gotcha, need you space

[shadow wigeon]

Blessings: Transfer Peril/Warp Flurry, is the beefiest build. Aim a little above their heads to get headshots - I actually my psykers height to help with this 😮

The ball, when charged up, has a pretty big hit radius - bigger than it looks. You can hit targets behind cover by shooting ot just over the obstacle and it will still explode on them.

It also does acceptable damage against crushers, so fi you're in the middle of a spree and there's a crusher you can shoot, it's worth your time. (assuming there's no bolter so splatter it)

[knotty willow]

I just made a psyker and got to 30. I'll work on it later. screen to save for later

Trying to make Deimos, Illis, Surge staff and Trauma staff

[shadow wigeon]

Nice, I am a Surge staff enjoyer

[knotty willow]

Saw psyker 1-shotting muties in the face and want to get to that level

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos makes you a mutie hunter

[knotty willow]

Good for boss too?

[shadow wigeon]

Assassin boss is a good target for Deimos, but other bosses you're generally better off brain bursting. Lots of dps, and you stay safe.
If you run Purg, flames are also worth putting on bosses.

[knotty willow]

What blessings and perks for Deimos?

[shadow wigeon]

+Maniacs for mutants
Slaughterer is great on Illisi, but generally you don't do horde clear on Deimos. Some people like it though, it's fine in hordes, in which case you could use Slaughterer.
Unstable Power is sort of "free damage" if you get your peril high from your staff, then switch to sword.
Deflector (any tier) is very strong, but only if you actually use it.

[knotty willow]

thought muty was unyeilding

[shadow wigeon]

Monstrosities, Bulwarks and Reaper noggins are unyielding.

[knotty willow]

damn, gotta change perk on thunder hammer

[shadow wigeon]

Just FYI Kinetic Flayer can only proc once every 15 seconds, so that unfortunately will not happen.

[shadow wigeon]

Well it was helping you chunk boss health a lot! But yeah, not what you want for muties.

[fluid crescent]

Hey, do you know guys if %peril resistance of "inner tranquility" works on "kinetic deflection" ?

[spice veldt]

it does

i forget what exact patch made it that way though

since it seems to be completely unmentioned in the patch notes

[shadow wigeon]

It was some time ago now

[shadow wigeon]

With a stam curio and Inner Tranquility, you can absorb a gunner's entire magazine....... if you want to, for some reason.

[fluid crescent]

but why with a stam curio ? kinetic deflection isn't peril instead of stam ?

[fluid crescent]

ty !

[hidden crystal]

Because the peril generated is based on how much of your stamina would have been used.

With Kinetic Deflection, your Peril bar is worth four times your Stamina.

[shadow quail]

What does finesse do on the stabby sword?

[hidden crystal]

However much your stamina is.

[upper galleon]

attack speed

[shadow quail]

not great then

the above

[upper galleon]

dump stats mobility and a bit of warp resistance

[spice veldt]

attack speed and crit/weakspot damage

[upper galleon]

crit damage doesn't really matter

but weakspot does

[spice veldt]

weakspot damage does

[shadow quail]

ill skip

this one in there too

not used the deimos much tbh, prefer the other

[hidden crystal]

So if you really want to go nuts with three +3 Stamina Curios, a +2 Stamina force sword (now the Stamina perks on weapons have been patched to go above +1) and Kinetic Deflection, you've got an effective 70 Stamina to block with.

And that's before any block efficiency you might take.

[shadow quail]

i'd imagine with block efficiency that could be pretty wild

[hidden crystal]

Well, you can have 12% from Deflector (although some people report that's bugged), three lots of 12% on Curios, and 20% on the weapon, so...

... in theory, just a little less than the equivalent of 146 stamina.

[shadow quail]

and how much do you have base

[hidden crystal]

With a force sword, 3 Stamina.

[shadow quail]

lol

[hidden crystal]

I currently run one +3 Stamina curio and Kinetic Deflection - and six bars with KD does, indeed, allow Deflector to tank a full burst from a gunner or reaper.

Now that swords themselves can have +2 Stamina (and I already have several that have a T4 Stamina perk), I'm not beyond swapping to that instead of the Curio, but the downside is that your weapon stats don't count while reviving, so you lose the bonus of being able to tank an entire horde while rezzing.

[gusty furnace]

hey look at me

If only that second perk weren't weakspot damage

The quell speed makes it tempting to use over this though

But like

Transfer Peril

So what does it matter

[hidden crystal]

If only weakspot bonuses worked the way they should.

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, same with critical hit damage.

One simple change to how the math is done and they'd be totally viable perks on a bunch of different weapons

[hidden crystal]

Locks in general would be so much less frustrating if half the perks and blessings weren't so much worse than the others.

As they are, they're not just different, they're objectively better and worse.

+10% headshot damage, if it actually worked the way it should? I'd certainly consider it on things like my MG12s.

There's still an argument that it should be more than 10%, because +25% Flak and the like exist, but don't rely on player skill to be of use, but just fixing it would make it tolerable.

[gusty furnace]

+Flak, +maniac, and +unarmored just outright shouldn't exist as perks in the first place

Which is part of the problem.

And then on top of that, +weakspot and +critical need to apply to the whole weakspot and critical damage number, not the difference between Body/Body Critical and Body/Weakspot

[knotty willow]

@gusty furnace Yo. lvl 30 psyker now. What is the optimal perks and blessing for: Deimos, Illisi, Purge, Trauma, and Surge?

[gusty furnace]

PSYKER WEAPONS:

Deimos and Illisi: Flak/Maniac/Slaughterer - [Split] Deflector or Unstable Power

Surge: Flak/Critical Hit Chance/Warp Flurry/Warp Nexus

Purgatus: [Split] Unyielding, Flak, Maniac, Infested, Crit Chance/Warp Flurry/Warp Nexus

Trauma: Flak - [Split] Critical Hit Chance, Unarmored, Maniac/Blazing Spirit/Warp Nexus

Voidstrike: Flak/Maniac/Transfer Peril/Warp Flurry

Voidstrike MkII: Flak/Maniac/Warp Nexus - [Split] Blazing Spirit or Surge

[knotty willow]

thanks. much appreciated

[gusty furnace]

[Split] followed by whatever is options that are all fine

So like on Trauma:

Flak/Critical hit Chance

Flak/Maniac

Flak/Unarmored

are all viable choices

which makes grinding one out easier

well that sucks

[indigo portal]

On the Purge staff +crit chance instead of +maniac is good too from what I've heard/worked out. Taking +crit whilst having Warp Nexus up means you'll be critting anywhere between 50% more often at low peril and 20% more often at high peril relative to a Warp Nexus staff without +crit. This helps for hordes and other squishy enemies. I'm planning on working out the exact DPS increase this provides though, it's possible that the scaling of the stacks doesn't equate to enough to justify taking the +crit.

[gusty furnace]

Alright, I've got it tagged with an easily searchable phrase. I'll update it when you find out if +Crit is worth it on purge with some data.

[steel flame]

HOW DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS?!?!?!?

FATSHARK

GET YOUR DESCRIPTION SHIT TOGETHER

IT EMBARASSING

[shadow wigeon]

It depends what you're doing. +crit is very weak compared to +unyielding, for instance, if you want to light monstrosities up. If you're going to max stacks anyway, it doesn't help (as you won't know you have reached max stacks sooner, so you'll just flame anyway)

+maniac is probably not worth it, as you are not going to have soul blaze burn for long periods on maniacs.

[knotty willow]

Alright, dropped like 4 mill. best i could make. Would like to know which of the 2 surge staff is better. How does it look?

[indigo portal]

Yeah that's why I said "This helps for hordes and other squishy enemies." It's affect applies to any enemy that normally doesn't hit maximum stacks of soulblaze. On Bosses? Horrible pick. On Poxwalkers who hit 7 stacks before they die? Pretty neat. Still working the numbers though.

[shadow wigeon]

It's hard to pin it to a number, bcause it's contingent on what you do with it. Soulblaze stacks to high damage very quickly, but each incremental level adds less % damage. So, if you apply very few stacks in general, it (crit in general, not 5% necessarily) will help a lot. If you flame for a long time, the added stacks will be a small bonus.

Not sure how you could quantify that, because it depends on what the player does.

[harsh salmon]

anyone know of any psyker videos using Quicken?

[shadow wigeon]

Unyielding should always be the #1 perk on Purg, after that it's presumably between unarmored, flak, infest for hordes. +crit will yield a small damage bonus to all types.
I use Wildfire, so +damage makes more sense anyway.

[shadow wigeon]

Some people use it with GunPsyker for more CC.

[gusty furnace]

yep that all looks fine

[shadow wigeon]

Those all look great. Between the 2 surge staffs, you could check out what the charge time is for each of them. I have a feeling that it's a wash, because you have better flurry on one than the other.

I would take +maniacs on Surge instead of +crit, as you will be surging Ragers all the time.

[knotty willow]

thanks you 2. gonna test them out in some hi int shock. for the illisi, wish I had deflector. feel it will be more useful for survivability but hopfully next one i make

[karmic reef]

Is rampage good on the dueling sword? I would assume not

Secondly, I bought this off of melk, mainly for the blessing, but is it worth just upgrading and using?

[shadow wigeon]

I do love Deflector with Surge, it lets you be brave walking around corners and into bad situations, looking for targets to start stunning.
Personally prefer 321113 with Surge, for maximum efficiency/stunning uptime, but Warp Unleashed gets your BB to some good breakpoints.

[knotty willow]

Say no more, gonna spend my last mill to see if I can make one now

gonna try out your feat too, see how it feels cuz I dont understand what they all do yet

@shadow wigeon

oh and what curious? change that as I go. running 2 16% tough and 3stmania. one of the reasons I want deflector.

[shadow wigeon]

I think lately I had health, health, stamina on psyker, mostly because deflector lets you offload a lot of that toughness damage to peril (which you can turn back into toughness via Quietitude).

As for perks, combat ability regen for sure, then it depends. Sniper, gunner resist are useful, toughness regen can be good too.

[harsh salmon]

whats the charge rate on brain burst?

[knotty willow]

makes since. ill check that out.

this is the one, I feel it

nvm

[gusty furnace]

Unstable Power has one relevant breakpoint

All 5 stacks of Peril Damage from being Psyker

All 5 stacks of Unstable Power

2 or 3? stacks of slaughterer lets you one-shot mutants on a headshot

So I'm with you, #TeamDeflector

[gusty furnace]

Oh, and making it possible to one-shot ragers instead of two shot

Neither one I find particularly useful. I'd much rather have "Functionally invulnerable to ranged units"

[shadow quail]

I prefer deflector

it's not amazing all the time, but it saves you from some shit

those stats are nice btw, how did it turn out?

similar to mine

[knotty willow]

Ya, I already notice that range can be annoying and don't have much options than charging to get in range for staff or brain burst. I want to be able to react, its the reason zel has been my favorite so far. psyker is fun but I want to be able to depend on myself more then mates.

[knotty willow]

lets not talk about that

[shadow quail]

all bad?

[gusty furnace]

This one makes me cry

[shadow quail]

this one probably the best roll I have

[knotty willow]

but this looks good

[gusty furnace]

I don't actually mind the voidstaff

I'm just really miffed that I have to deal with 10% weakspot damage

instead of something useful

like Maniac

[knotty willow]

oh my vet is decked

[gusty furnace]

I'd swap Unarmored to Maniac

[knotty willow]

same with zel

[gusty furnace]

as like, just an FYI

[knotty willow]

nice

[shadow quail]

yours is better

[knotty willow]

same

[gusty furnace]

it'll help with ragers, mutants, and sometimes trappers/flamers

[knotty willow]

Think so, gonna have to check

nvm think i got confused

[shadow quail]

Yeah I get that, just mostly been using this for hordes and using surge lately

[gusty furnace]

You already oneshot groaners, dreg stalkers, and bucketheads though 🤔

bucketheads being dreg bruisers

[knotty willow]

oh shit just read the last talent and thats op

[spice veldt]

you do get to one-shot groaners with the min cleave damage since you're running deflector instead of unstable

so it is what it is

[knotty willow]

Ya, good stats but but Hardron didnt come through for me

[shadow quail]

Both are top tier tbh

I think it's actually better than the powersword, imo.

[gusty furnace]

Incorrect

Power Sword is definitely better than the illisi

BB mk3

Power Sword

Illisi

Heavy Sword/Antax Mk5/Rashad

Deimos

Power Maul, Mk1 Bully Club, Mk3b Basher Club

Everything else

in that specific order

Power Cycler is so fucking overpowered its mindboggling

but the base stats of the BB mk3 + slaughterer just completely invalidate every other melee weapon in the game

[shadow quail]

I've had PC fromj day one. It's not that OP anymore.,

[gusty furnace]

It definitely is.

Not on the same scale of "7 attacks in a row that do 750 damage"

[shadow quail]

That was fun

[gusty furnace]

but "3 attacks in a row that do 750 damage" is still fucking redacted

The inquisition would ban me if I said anything else

[spice veldt]

ignoring class properties, psword > illisi

power cycler is some good crack

[potent echo]

Power sword does have the weird quirk that you effectively cant kill anything without powering on, which may lead to some awkward moments from time to time but nothing game ending

[gusty furnace]

Not really

Like, baseline, yeah.

Its just a devil's claw

so you're forced into heavy attacks

that are still very respectable

and then you get slaughterer stacks on top of that

and baseline power sword is one of the best melee weapons in the game

And then you get to turn it on

[shadow quail]

baseline PS is one of the best weapons in the game?

without the charge?

[gusty furnace]

With slaughterer, absolutely.

It completely demolishes everything not on the list above.

And is equivalent to Antax mk5/rashad

The problems with power sword are multiple

[shadow quail]

PS without the charge hits like a wet fart

[gusty furnace]

Its base stats are too good

Power Cycler is too strong

Activated Attacks are too strong

[gusty furnace]

Its light attacks do

which the mk6 solves with the strikedown

its heavy attack damage profile on a light attack. Its just stuck being light 3

But on both the 3 and 6 you can just heavy attack without powered attacks and still mulch hordes

[potent echo]

yea if you use the mk6 the push attack makes you a little more versatile

[gusty furnace]

Push attacks count as combos now too

Well, starting a combo with a push attack counts as starting a combo now.

That was a shadow buff to all melee weapons.

[potent echo]

now as in

since the hotfix?

[gusty furnace]

So Power Cycler works with push attacks starting the combo.

No, this was something I noticed a month or so ago

when I hopped back into Darktide

[shadow quail]

My mk6 is better than my 3 but just don't enjoy it

[gusty furnace]

I dug through all the patch notes and it wasn't mentioned once.

So fatshark just shadow buffed push attacks and:

When you start an attack combo with a push attack, all followup attacks count as chained attacks.

Works with decimator too on axes

While blocking at any point drops decimator stacks, starting a combo with a push attack builds decimator stacks as per usual

[shadow quail]

Still much prefer the illisi over the PS.

[karmic reef]

Is purgatus viable in higher tiers?

[gusty furnace]

all 4 staffs are

[karmic reef]

I feel like I just get demolished by shooters because my team doesnt kill them

[gusty furnace]

Trauma is the best, Purgatus is 2nd, third is surge, 4th is voidstrike

but all 4 staffs can clear auric maelstrom

[karmic reef]

so I'd forced to try and get up close to kill them

[gusty furnace]

Just BB

that's what I do

Option 2: Become zealot

Use a force sword and abuse the shit out of infinite dodges to get into staff range

and just murder everything with eye-raping blue flame

[karmic reef]

I usually just use deflector to get up close

[shadow quail]

use both

[gusty furnace]

^

[karmic reef]

but oftentimes it cant hold up to the volume of fire

[gusty furnace]

I always block when I'm infinite dodging into shooters

Since deflector

[shadow quail]

I got this mk6, but wish it was a mk3, lol

[gusty furnace]

you prevent ~80% of toughness damage

[karmic reef]

Or the instant I drop the shield I get shot for 50% of my health

[gusty furnace]

Naw, I like the 6 more than the 3

Light attack spam is just stupidly safe

versus the 3's reliance on heavy attacks

You trade away ~150 damage

for the sake of never being touched by enemies

[shadow quail]

so mk6 light spam?

[gusty furnace]

yep

[shadow quail]

charged?

[gusty furnace]

and heavy attacks on mk3

Yep

[shadow quail]

ok i may have to start

try*

[gusty furnace]

Light 1>Light 2>Light 3>Charge

Rinse and repeat until everything is dead

[karmic reef]

or a single shooter is behind me and I lose all of my toughness and 10% of my health because I was focused on the enemies infront of me

[gusty furnace]

Oh

run 5% toughness on all three curios

as psyker

115 toughness is a BP for dreg stalkers and shotgunners

A dreg stalker can only break 100 toughness

[karmic reef]

as in I check behind me constantly but the instant I look away one spawns

[gusty furnace]

and a shotgunner can only break ~108 toughness

[shadow quail]

so with the 6, you spam light instead of heavy? i thought it had less cleave

[gusty furnace]

Uh

1 second

[gusty furnace]

11.7 cleave on an activated light attack

The people who are trying to sell you on mk3 are just set in the old world

They refuse to analyze the mk6 objectively because "Lol beeg damage" on the mk3's heavy attacks

but refuse to acknowledge all of the drawbacks of heavy attacks in darktide

especially since veteran doesn't have stagger ignore like Zealot and Ogryn

[shadow quail]

so instead of spamming heaviues i roll my mk6 and spam lights?>

[potent echo]

but the 0.2seconds slower activation

[gusty furnace]

Yep

here it is with 5 stacks of slaughterer 4

20.475 cleave

[shadow quail]

okay, i'll give it a go

[gusty furnace]

You can hit a lot of fucking enemies with power sword

[potent echo]

just to clarify "cleave distribution" means the number of targets that take full damage before drop off?

[shadow quail]

i prefer quick attacks anyway

[gusty furnace]

I have no idea what you mean by cleave distribution

but here's the damage values of activated power sword with slaughter 4 @ 5 stacks on poxwalkers

the 8th poxwalker and beyond take 70 damage

and you can hit. . . 16? of them per swing

the important bit is that you can kill two poxwalkers per swing

[potent echo]

the 11.6 number

[gusty furnace]

everything else is functionally irrelevant

[potent echo]

or 20.475

[gusty furnace]

Oh, 11.6 is cleave

enemies have mass

cleave=how much mass you can hit

groaners have .75 mass

so 20.475 cleave can hit 27 groaners

Actually

it can hit 28 groaners

because cleave is rounded up

[shadow quail]

is the block stab worth it

[gusty furnace]

It can be