psyker-class

[gusty furnace]

so its pretty pointless even in that role

[thorn cedar]

I just do Overpressure and Fan the Flames

they blink the most on my hud

[true lake]

tbh i wish it was easier for me to know wtf is the difference between unarmored and groaners/poxwalkers

because i usually just slap unarmored extra damage on because i feel that covers more ground

[spice veldt]

groaners have 200hp and are Unarmoured; poxwalkers have 300hp and are Infested
Poxwalkers usually have larger horns sprouting from their head and are more pale on average
Groaners usually have purple-ish skin and are slightly smaller in size on average

[thorn cedar]

groaners are more dressed up than poxwalkers

thats how i look at em

[true lake]

would be nice if the game just flat out told me that in the meat grinder or something

it tells me armor class but not what counts as what name wise

kinda assumed poxwalkers were the ones that look more, well, nurgle like with the horns and stuff, doesnt help with trying to optimize perks though when i dont know for sure

[indigo portal]

Typically it won't ever matter in a gameplay sense. It tells you that those enemies are infested, which is enough for perks. I wish we had a glossary showing terms and also having picture examples for enemies. Outside resources should become ingame resources.

[true lake]

eh i just feel it would help a lot in general to know for sure what is what name wise

the specials are easy enough with the pinging system but other ones that are specific in perks but not in game are rather annoying

it would also be a nice way to introduce people unfamiliar to 40k into some very basic lore to get them a little more immersed and interested in 40k in general

because not everyone who plays darktide is a huge 40k lore buff, myself included

[spice veldt]

yeah no glossary at all or even a name indicator in the meatgrinder

if I had not read up on external information, I would know absolute jack

[true lake]

hell i already get annoyed with the whole dregs and scabs thing, like i know elites and what they are but the counter goes up way more for those weekly missions than the amount of elites i kill

[cyan notch]

its teamwide

[true lake]

right but it goes up like a lot after every mission and i know there arent that many elites

[cyan notch]

idk theres quite a lot of elites

[upper galleon]

dregs and scabs

[true lake]

after playing a lot i generally consider dregs as the yellow rags and scabs as the flak armored looking dudes

[upper galleon]

have non elites

trash shooters, stalkers (shooters that don't take cover) and bruisers

[true lake]

still annoying though that i have to even play a lot of games to figure that out though, there should be a glossary so you can find out that information before going into games

[upper galleon]

non horde, non elite melee enemies

[spice veldt]

tbh I'm skeptical of even fatshark's own internal documentation given the mistakes that are made

[true lake]

lol fair

[upper galleon]

that is very fair

[true lake]

idk would just be nice to have newer people join and not have to play tons of missions before they generally figure out what is what

[upper galleon]

see dreg stalkers being highlighted by counter fire, but not scab stalkers

[cinder moon]

"stalkers are melee focused"

• fatshark

also stalkers:
shooting you from 2m away

[spice veldt]

probably some simple patchwork nerf to ult extensions

[cyan notch]

where is this from

[spice veldt]

given their unusual priority list since even one-line bugs were left to fester for a few months

[true lake]

the gunplay in the game is just odd in general lol

[upper galleon]

stalkers do better in melee than standard shooters so

technically right

[true lake]

gunner AI is all over the place and sometimes they hardly even bother with the whole suppression mechanic and ignore you firing at them

[spice veldt]

suppression does work but the rules are not that well known, probably because no one bothers with them and would rather just DPS them down

[cinder moon]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-counterfire-feat-not-highlighting-some-scab-shooters/66256/4

[true lake]

that and most classes just end up getting a weapon that makes suppression not even matter anymore

[spice veldt]

it does occasionally work, as I've seen with the bolt LMB with psyker's staff

p much

[true lake]

flamethrowers and weapons that ignore cover altogether

[spice veldt]

or diving with melee and not caring about that stuff

[true lake]

tbh most of the time gunners do next to no damage to toughness anyway so yeah easier to melee if it isnt too out of your way

[cyan notch]

well it says short range fighter not melee

[cinder moon]

i was paraphrasing, but you get the point

[true lake]

the short range fighter when he shoots me point blank with a las rifle

just to immediately be one shot by my sword

[spice veldt]

i like that they don't melee at close range, since getting shot is usually safer unless they're scab shooters (green eyes)

force sword lights being uninterruptible attacks and all anyways even if your toughness gets peeled

[true lake]

eh, idk about the much higher difficulties, but on malice at least most of the basic enemies dont really do much regardless what attack they hit me with

[spice veldt]

most attacks on malice deal 50% damage

and the ranged damage reduction mechanic is more lenient on lower difficulties

[true lake]

i would play higher difficulty but i can never find a good party, i refuse to play with randoms

been trying to get the redacted penances for psyker

[cinder moon]

malice is the best way to earn consistent money while playing with your brain turned off

[true lake]

which is why i play it lol

[spice veldt]

i've just been playing bolter vet lately

[true lake]

easy and still challenging enough for fun

[cinder moon]

20 minute rounds usually

[spice veldt]

made the pro move of swapping to the easier class in the meantime

[true lake]

i want to try out heresy more but yeah randoms just never seem to be able to keep up

[cinder moon]

i only just picked up vet and psyker, started out as zealot main dabbling in ogryn

[true lake]

i pretty much exclusively play psyker, kind of stubborn and am a huge sienna main in vermintide

[spice veldt]

i was originally a vet main, went into psyker, and now I've swapped back to vet

[true lake]

i like the high risk gameplay

[cinder moon]

i liked UNLIMITED POWER

not even a star wars fan but that scene is funny

[spice veldt]

psyker's lack of ranged single-target DPS without a gun really does feel limiting at times

[true lake]

thats what the brain burst is meant for

[cinder moon]

BB feels fine to me, especially with kinetic flayer

[spice veldt]

brainburst's DPS is rather shit

[true lake]

it takes a bit of time and isnt like super DPS but its super high damage

[spice veldt]

it's 1100 damage every 3 seconds (2 seconds for the channel + 1 second downtime)

[cinder moon]

almost too good considering you only need to pixel peek an enemy for literally 1 frame to start BBing them

[true lake]

and depending on your build some staffs are fairly decent at ranged damage

[spice veldt]

and the damage/stagger also isn't frontloaded

you have to channel for 2 seconds before getting access to it

[true lake]

i usually run purgatus but recently been trying out a voidstrike staff with surge blessing

[cinder moon]

being able to preload a BB and instantly execute it on a special or something, though, absolute perfection

[spice veldt]

the stagger is frontloaded if you use the RMB -> LMB trick, but the RMB channels slower (3 seconds) so you're missing out on damage if you use that trick

[true lake]

maybe with the upcoming update there will be builds that make brain burst a bit different

[cinder moon]

RMB is good for instant shots on a target you can hear but have no LOS

[true lake]

so it isnt just straight slow single burst

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, the RMB costs 10% more peril and the sound cues in this game are unreliable

[cinder moon]

looking forward to getting UNLIMITED POWER as the blitz ability tbh

[true lake]

unlimited power + surge staff

[spice veldt]

and you are unable to lock onto an enemy past 100% peril or you'll enter the perils of the warp (if battle meditation doesn't proc)

peril generation is less of a concern nowadays with quelling buffs, but it does matter in situations where you really need to have your peril freed

[true lake]

i usually quell for a quick second when im at 100%, as long as you start the burst before 100% you are good

[spice veldt]

yup, but sometimes using my staff is the better option, and the milliseconds of needing to quell can be the difference between getting owned and whatnot especially for the situations that I put myself in

[cyan notch]

skill issue

simply dont get in those situations

[true lake]

eh fair, just need some teammates who can help take some of the load

[leaden pier]

siblings, what perk should i replace the 20% against unarmored with?

[spice veldt]

i'd rather be at lower peril than at higher peril if I can help it, and while you can use BB before 97% peril, i'd rather be at least below 75% peril to get a trauma blast off

[spice veldt]

i have zero trust in the teammates that I get

[true lake]

i would keep the 20% against unarmored and replace one of those blessings

i dont think warp nexus pairs well with purgatus, burn DOT doesnt profit from crits if i remember correctly

[spice veldt]

crits apply two stacks of soulblaze

[leaden pier]

^

[cyan notch]

i think u should just leave it

[true lake]

eh probably fine then if thats the case

[spice veldt]

true, esp with the update coming up

[true lake]

just upgrade the perk there or replace with whatever the other chump extra damage thing is

personally i like focused channeling on my staff to ensure they dont interrupt my flamethrower

[spice veldt]

i'd either upgrade warp flurry or swap unarmoured to unyielding (though brainburst will be better for every boss except the daemonhost/captain anyways), and you're only getting -2% charge time from elevating it to t4 flurry

so yeah waiting on the update would be my choice for now

[true lake]

i usually just use my deimos special for unyielding, that and brain burst

and my purgatus for hordes

[spice veldt]

deimos/obscurus' special doesn't do that much DPS except against Flak enemies because of the 200% damage bonus against Flak

[blazing urchin]

please whatever you do dont put unyielding on the purg staff lol thats bad advice

[true lake]

brain burst is still relatively useful against daemonhost, captain it kinda sucks though

[spice veldt]

you're better off using l1->h2 for everything else

[true lake]

my deimos sword still does more against unyielding than my purgatus would anyway lol

doesnt have as much bonus damage but still

[spice veldt]

i'm not particularly concerned about kill time with purg since soulblaze is spread to everything and has a good amount of stagger

[blazing urchin]

brainburst will always do more against uny than that staff

[spice veldt]

might as well have a marginal benefit against bosses

[true lake]

the zealot flamer is a bit different from what i was told but with purgatus yeah

[blazing urchin]

uhh no its bad advice dont tell people to do that its a dead perk

[true lake]

i wouldnt say dead perk but for the purgatus yeah not a good idea

[spice veldt]

no

[true lake]

just better for the entire team for you to sit and brain burst

at least for any boss other than captain

[blazing urchin]

just stay in malice then plz

[spice veldt]

it's just for a marginal benefit against the monstrosities and I don't particularly care about kill times on everything else

[spice veldt]

no

[blazing urchin]

then why wouldnt you put crit chanc eon it if you want stacks

[spice veldt]

well you get two perk slots

and you can have crit chance on the other slot

[true lake]

i feel i get stacks easy enough anyway, i brain burst a basic enemy here and there and burning enemies fill in the rest easy

[blazing urchin]

west avoid pubs like this

[spice veldt]

damn, one perk choice you disagree with and it's a lobby avoid?

[true lake]

i see the benefit of having extra crit chance with the one feat but like, idk how hard it is really to keep your warp charges for you guys lol

i never had an issue with it

[blazing urchin]

no avoid people that offer bad adivce and dont know its bad lol

if youre putting uny on that staff youre clueless im leaving and not wasting my time with you anymore

[spice veldt]

flak enemies take 1.5x damage from soulblaze, so I'm not concerned about them dying faster

[blazing urchin]

have fun in malice

[true lake]

flak enemies i usually just hit with my melee anyway, especially the elites

[cyan notch]

[spice veldt]

everything except maniac and carapace has >1x armour mods from soulblaze

[cyan notch]

owned

[spice veldt]

beyond crit chance, unyielding would be what i'd slap onto my own purg

[true lake]

well you shouldnt really be sitting trying to burn down a carapace enemy lol

[spice veldt]

yeah, and it wouldn't matter with an uncanny build since you're going to hold your melee out most times

[true lake]

maniacs are easy enough given they dont really have armor

[spice veldt]

maniac enemies tend to be the ones that are more difficult to stagger, but yeah there's brainburst for trappers, melee for mutants, and dreg ragers are the ones that remain

[true lake]

but most people you team up with are probably going to want you as a psyker to brain burst the carapace enemies

dreg ragers are easy if you use deimos or obscurus, the special attack one shots them if you have decent stats on it

its what i usually do if im tasked to kill them

[blazing urchin]

the answer is flak, unarmr, infes, crit chance those are the perks worth looking into

[cyan notch]

doesnt really matter much what u put tbh

[blazing urchin]

its meant for horde use it for horde you have better single target options than mindlessly putting uny on it

[cyan notch]

doesnt hit any insane bps

[spice veldt]

infested really only covers poxwalkers, and that's not much of my concern

[true lake]

the only thing that "matters" is crit chance to upkeep your warp charges easier if you need it

[spice veldt]

and laying down a purg for 2 seconds (~6 stacks) is enough to kill poxwalkers anyways

[true lake]

anything else really doesnt really matter too much because the staff doesnt do much direct damage

[spice veldt]

perks also affect the damage of soulblaze while your weapon is held out

[true lake]

and the extra damage hardly applies much to the burn DOT from what i can tell at least

thats the thing i usually swap from my weapon not long after because some enemies get closer to me

[spice veldt]

i usually just have my purg out all the time

since soulblaze is going to tick down on the enemies that I ignore

[true lake]

eh i just use my deimos for most everything regardless, i only really pull out my purgatus for horde waves

slaughterer blessing makes my deimos pretty much chew through everything easily enough despite not being a cleaving sword

[spice veldt]

force sword lights being fast and hitting the one-shot bp on trash enemies w/ slaughterer anyways

god bless slaughterer

[true lake]

best blessing

wish i knew how good it was sooner, didnt realize how powerful that much power stacks was

[near wyvern]

Haven't tested this, should be pretty easy to test. Generally for Trauma, Void and Surge the damage versus peril used is better the longer you charge them.

[true lake]

could never really get into trauma staff personally

[broken quail]

trauma staff + illisi is great for getting toughness through quitetude, and I love how much it stuns enemies

[blazing urchin]

@true lake focus channeling and nexus are the blessings you'd want flurry is useless on purg

[broken quail]

stacking toughness + quitude + kinetic shield is the tankiest psyker I've tried yet

[blazing urchin]

Flurry is overkill

[spice veldt]

or warp absorption along with trauma + illisi

[broken quail]

ehhhh, if shooters are really bothering you it can be hard to fully charge trauma for the kills for toughness. Quitude lets you spam partial charges to stun the enemies and get breathing room while your toughness regens

[spice veldt]

i stack toughness along with kinetic shield so I have a large time window to get a trauma blast off

as long as I don't take a horrendous initial engagement, I can sustain enough toughness throughout a fight

[plucky flax]

Focus channeling is overkill on purg flurry better.

[potent echo]

you dont need focus channeling

you wont get staggered out of purging, only when charging afaik

source: all the ragers that hit me while i burn them

[cyan notch]

i like focused channeling

[olive ember]

thats

well its a take

[olive ember]

Putting unyielding on your purge staff is fine, but just understand it’s for the comparatively niche purpose of boss damage

[potent echo]

your job with purgatus is to isolate elites from the crowd so your team can kill them easily, not much point to make them elite killing imo

[olive ember]

I mean they kill elites fine

[potent echo]

during messy boss fights purgatus should focus on controlling the horde and not boss dps

[olive ember]

A full charge kills maulers or weaker

Only ogryns, mutants, and bosses are a problem with purge staff

Everything else dies

[potent echo]

yea, but even if a crusher comes you shouldn't swap to bb, continue to burn the horde behind the crusher

unless the crusher is alone, then you can do anything

[olive ember]

Well it depends on the exact situation, normally I press F and swap to melee or BB

[spice veldt]

though soulblaze deals 10% damage to carapace so that's not the fairest comparison to unyielding

[fresh reef]

I have had a vision

Blessing rebalance and crafting lock removal coming with the 4th

Huffing large amounts of copium

[potent echo]

are reapers considered unyielding

[olive ember]

Blessing changes are basically confirmed

[olive ember]

Yes

[spice veldt]

yeah soulblaze targets their unyielding

[fresh reef]

Wait fr?

[potent echo]

but their body is flak

[olive ember]

Reapers, bulwarks, bosses

[olive ember]

Pretty much confirmed iirc but no details

Apparently precog will be… better…

[spice veldt]

they have some unyielding under their flak so I guess they picked that

[olive ember]

How much better no clue

[potent echo]

from all the localisation undefined blessings im guessing those are the ones getting changed

slaughterer isnt touched

[fresh reef]

I'm not sure how you could make precog worth using without just making the effect trigger on dodge

[potent echo]

but things like surgical are

[spice veldt]

prob not all of the description changes made it in

would be rather wild for slaughterer and the like to not be touched on if they're changing the other stuff

especially when this is their one chance to batch in a nerf to the broken blessing along with the other stuff

[potent echo]

i rather they just make all the blessings strong so you cant really build wrong

[spice veldt]

yeah crab alluded to a buff to even precognition so I expect to see some buffs

[potent echo]

the regular pub has no idea what blessings or perks are but still queue for damnation+ all the same

[olive ember]

I’m rly hoping the “blessing balance” isn’t just nerfing all the good ones and then giving us peanuts in return for the shit blessings

[fresh reef]

Main issue I think is the +power blessings

They should be reworked entirely

[potent echo]

perhaps

[spice veldt]

power would be fine if it was just in small amounts

since even +1% cleave will change a breakpoint

[potent echo]

but my heavy sword with +65% power and +50% dmg goes brrrr

[fresh reef]

As long as they provide a flat damage increase, they remain BiS until they're unusably bad, like +1% per tier

[potent echo]

maybe something like unstable power on FS

max 20%

[spice veldt]

though tbh i'd pick damage if it had a higher value purely for the single-target

power is just real fucky because it changes damage and cleave by the same amount and is also multiplicative with damage%

so there's that to consider especially with the passive damage buffs that classes tend to have

[fresh reef]

I think Unstable Power and Thrust are good examples of what +power blessings should be

Strong, but you need to consciously use them

Instead of just shit like slaughterer where it's just braindead busted

[potent echo]

i like thrust, thematically and mechanically

slaughterer/headtaker you just get power from attacking

[fresh reef]

Also praying they making earning blessings universal

[potent echo]

meaning?

[fresh reef]

I have T4 bromentum, but exclusively on the Rashad

[fresh reef]

Make it so you don't have to hunt down blessings for each individual weapon mark

[potent echo]

but you dont need to?

unless its tactical axe vs combat axe

all combat axes share the same blessing pool

same as all helbores

[hoary badge]

Can't imagine it working as even Blessings under the same name are balanced differently for each weapon

[olive ember]

I want the entire damn crafting system including blessings to be reworked so it’s not garbage rng

10k plasteel to get fucking flurry on voidstrike and I only did it for testing

What a waste of my time

[cyan notch]

sorry thats only coming in darktide 2

[olive ember]

2 years and it will be good trust me

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[spice veldt]

i think it's fine to have a universal unlock on a blessing even if they're balanced differently

there's still the grind on stats and the weapon needing to have at least two good perks/blessings

and then there's the grind on curios as well

[hoary badge]

On the other hand you have Blessings that do the same thing under a different name

Deathblow and BM iirc

[spice veldt]

true

seems that they're adding weakspot damage to deathblow to distinguish it at least

[spice veldt]

here's some examples of warp absorption being fairly adequate for me https://streamable.com/rpqgqt

[olive ember]

don't worry

this is a non issue come 10/4

then we can take both quietitude AND warp absorption

ez win

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

psyker toughness W

hopefully there aren't any other appealing options so that I don't feel like I'm missing out by allocating extra points into another toughness feat

[hidden crystal]

All the psyker toughness feats. Basically refill your toughness with one brain burst.

[spice veldt]

22.5% from quietitude, +15% from warp absorption, and +30% from essence harvest

67.5%

toughness builds will be interesting and funny

maybe

eh will it be interesting

depends on how much we can stand in ranged fire

playing hishock without using dodges or blocks with a toughnesss build

MMMM with the ability to get more base toughness on psyker especially

with toughness curios and then kinetic shield

hopefully ranged enemies don't get buffed in the next update as well

[hidden crystal]

I'm certainly tempted to see how well it works with my MG12 builds, where I often alternate between BBs and shooting at shooters, in order to buff WU (which just about pushes me to body shot kills on various scabs) and have something refilling my toughness (currently quietitude, but stacking EH with that would buff it significantly).

I mean, ideally I chain the headshots for Between the Eyes, Ghost and the one shot kills regardless of Peril, but sometimes you miss.

[spice veldt]

yeah, if they keep the current values and don't touch the damage of ranged enemies, then going all into toughness for builds that otherwise lack it would be an interesting tradeoff to make

without needing to rely on weapon-specific blessings like inspiring barrage and whatnot

[hidden crystal]

I'll have to see what all the new options are; it may be there's new stuff that I really want to take instead, rather than just more of what we currently know about.

[spice veldt]

yeah there'll come a point where you're going to have more toughness than you need anyways

tripling out current options (and some more)

maybe more specific toughness feats scattered around the tree for specific interactions

rather than all of them being at the top

[regal jasper]

If you are a vet main (🤮) why do you help in psyker (😊) so much

[spice veldt]

the personal damage options will certainly be the appealing to one such as me

i must extend my pro gamer skills to psykers in need

i only have 1/6th of my playtime in vet

[regal jasper]

Fair enough

[spice veldt]

lvl160 compared to lvl960

[regal jasper]

No idea what those mean

I only can count to 30

[spice veldt]

true

we only have 7 digits

[regal jasper]

Unless i use my fingers for binary

Then i can count to……..

[fresh reef]

How many hours do you have Arco?

[regal jasper]

31 on one hand

And……

[spice veldt]

1.9k hours, but I spend a lot of time in the psykhanium and afking

probably only half and more of that is spent playing

[hidden crystal]

My main hope right now is that something similar to my current build remains viable, rather than the new tree forcing a complete change of playstyle.

Sure, I may in the long run end up changing to something different, but I don't want to be shoved into doing that.

[unborn mural]

How did you guys earn the Malleus Monstronum penance

[hidden crystal]

You mean 11111, surely.

[fresh reef]

Sweet jesus

[regal jasper]

Im at 256 and i still got 1 finger left hold up

[hidden crystal]

Still haven't.

Kinda gave up on penances a while ago unless they gave me something I vaguely cared about.

[unborn mural]

That is entirely fair

its the last psyker penance I need

[hidden crystal]

This was partly driven by just how painful the implementation of Flawless Execution is.

[spice veldt]

i got mines by playing with people on here

[olive ember]

lvl 160 malice psyker can't believe it

stay in malice

stay bad

fucking taking unyielding on purge staff

[spice veldt]

there are usually people that occasionally pop on here to ask for help with their monstronum, so you could join with them when they do pop up

[fresh reef]

Random chance. Back before it was set to private lobby only (very stupid change) I had coordinated with the team to let me handle the next boss that showed up.

3 ogryns watching me kite a plagryn around a crate was a funny sight to see

[unborn mural]

my hope was to get 3 ogryns with slab shields

and kill a daemon host

[fresh reef]

Main thing is that you need to have 4 players, or no bots

[unborn mural]

yeah and thats what im having a problem with

[fresh reef]

"oh bots won't deal enough damage to invalidate the penance" yes they will. Yes they fucking will and they will do it every single time

[hidden crystal]

When it comes to Malleus Monstronum, I also have the headache that I'm on the Europe servers and my ping gets horrible on any other server, so actually sorting out a team for that just sounds too huge a hassle.

[unborn mural]

I just want my cool silver pysker armor

[regal jasper]

Aight im at 442 and i aint done counting on just my fingers yet

[unborn mural]

is that too much

[regal jasper]

Hope I didn’t fuck up

[fresh reef]

I'm running the game through a (wired) hotspot. If I tried helping players cross-region my poor phone would cry

[unborn mural]

and can you only use brain burst or do you just have to finish it with brain burst

[fresh reef]

90% of its HP with brain burst

And afaik, Monstrous Specialists modifier counts

[unborn mural]

im sure I could do it if i had a group

ah well

[regal jasper]

Im gonna cry

I lost count

I got to 590

[unborn mural]

binary counting?

[regal jasper]

Yeah

Using my filangies

[hidden crystal]

1023 is the decimal equivalent of the maximum value a ten-bit integer can take.

[unborn mural]

my physics teacher taught me that but I forgot how to lol

[regal jasper]

I taught myself out of boredom lol

You start on your right hand thumb as 1

[regal jasper]

Well if i didn’t forget what number i was on i would have found that out

Im so ashamed in myself rn

Barely over half way

[unborn mural]

if it makes you feel any better im proud of you

[regal jasper]

Thank you

[unborn mural]

you know more than me

[regal jasper]

You could learn

Its fun

I have no practical reason to know it

Yet i have for the past 4 years

I was gonna look something up but I accidentally opened my warhammer tab and am now on gw website

[unborn mural]

escape before the minis tempt you

[regal jasper]

Too late

Starting a new army

[unborn mural]

no dont do it

[regal jasper]

haemonculi covens

Look fun

[unborn mural]

okay nvm go for it

[regal jasper]

Id love to paint them

Aka prime them and put them with the others

[unborn mural]

my personal project would be tzeentch demons

[regal jasper]

The weakened will of a warhammer fan at its finest

[regal jasper]

I still have some death guard

And maggotkin

And skaven

And tyranids

And salamanders

And sylvaneth

And nekrons

[unborn mural]

im so ready for emperors children

[regal jasper]

Im excited for haemonculi covens

[unborn mural]

i want a proper fucked up space marine

give that scary gross body horror that noise marines are known for

[livid root]

God roll?

[regal jasper]

That burn looks low

Idk if thats the dump stat tho so idk

[unborn mural]

i think thats for soulblaze

[spice veldt]

burn affects the max amount of soulblaze stacks that you can put onto a target and the rate of soulblaze application, so it does matter

people generally like to dump damage on purg since it doesn't scale that much and soulblaze often does most of the work

[unborn mural]

i like to think I've got a pretty neato staff

it works for what I need

[scarlet timber]

Guys

What are the odds the dueling swords will get buffed

Next month?

You think they give it slaughterer or head taker?

[unborn mural]

i think they might

[spice veldt]

precognition buffs

[unborn mural]

that would be nice to have

[olive ember]

lmao

it would need an entire rework ngl

like how much weakspot dmg and crit would you need for it to even remotely compete with the meta blessings

[spice veldt]

you jest, but just you wait

[olive ember]

also its crab

he gets hyped over claw swords

[spice veldt]

though he's obviously meming with that

of course he does enjoy those weapons himself

[olive ember]

I mean yeah nothing we can do but wait

[spice veldt]

but i think he's aware that other people do not have the same tastes as him

[olive ember]

but he also has a penchant for running off meta stuff

[spice veldt]

yeah and he makes it decently clear that he's doing it because he enjoys it

and not because of any performance

he's gone on record many times shitting on the dclaw's performance

[olive ember]

so basically precog won't be complete dogshit

[spice veldt]

mhm

[olive ember]

but not complete dogshit to actually good to meta is a stupidly wild margin

[spice veldt]

sure that depends on fatshark to balance it well

[olive ember]

tho tbh I'm not one to talk lmao, I was thinking about making a knife for zealot in prep for assassin subclass on zealot

[spice veldt]

but we can expect some buffs and perhaps for it to have some appealing property than what it is now

esp considering the other options on the duelling sword

it doesn't take much to make precog competitive unless the buff is like +1% weakspot/crit

[olive ember]

well when i said compare to meta i mean meta in general

cuz when you take a dueling sword you are comparing what you can get on it compared to every other weapon

if they give precog the ability to ignore bullets then suddenly dueling sword will be interesting kekw

[spice veldt]

people still take the duelling sword for its mobility and it's always going to be lacking in offensive because it has its eggs in that basket, but it'll prob appeal to a wider range of people

i'm not saying that it's going to be a meta blessing/weapon, but it'll be better

[near wyvern]

one can always trust in fatshark hotfixes to make it worse

[olive ember]

don't worry clearly this just means all these blessings are getting buffed

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YjqK9uU_iw8yXUITOGD_lWojbwKrW4eV5e70zZqhfeQ/edit#gid=0

speculation from reddit users? im not too sure exactly

[scarlet timber]

For dueling swords ?

[cerulean cave]

opinion? What to change?

[spice veldt]

crab was remarking on a knife, but duellies and force swords also get it so we'll see

[golden frigate]

i'd swap both perks if i were you

[olive ember]

the whole staff because the burn isn't 76+

but assuming you are stuck with this staff

stamina to flak

and nexus to IV imo

[cerulean cave]

reason for specifically 76+?

[olive ember]

its how you get the max burn stacks

[cerulean cave]

hm

[spice veldt]

though missing out on one burn stack is roughly ~10% damage which is eh

and that's on enemies who are able to survive when you're done applying max soulblaze stacks

[cerulean cave]

so rather upgrade this one?
Or just continue rolling for a 380/Damage dump?

[cerulean cave]

so WN is good to keep on it?

[golden frigate]

crits apply 2 stacks of soulblaze so yeah

[olive ember]

warp flurry + warp nexus is meta for purge

[cerulean cave]

checks out, gotcha

[olive ember]

this has a low cloud radius which is

E

the two most important stats on a purge are 76+ burn and 80 cloud radius

everything else can be considered a dump stat one way or another, tho obviously the higher the numbers the better

[cerulean cave]

technically I can also dump Quellspeed, yea?

[golden frigate]

and warp res too

[cerulean cave]

so 80 cloud, 78 burn and 70 damage/warp

with 41 quell

[spice veldt]

fyi with 41 quell, make sure to quell with brainburst and your force sword

[cerulean cave]

just tryna make the most of the staves I rolled, cause I hate pumping dockets into Brunts' void

[scarlet timber]

Just give dueling swords heavy swords head taker fatshark

We got rampage if we get that too

We will have heavy sword for psyker

[olive ember]

heavy sword for psyker is just illisi

except you heavy spam instead of light spam

[olive ember]

new blessing or just buffed blessing

[cerulean cave]

so optimal perks for Purgatus are Flak and Unyielding then? I remember the discussion a bit ago about optimizing dmg, putting max stacks on bosses, then BBing or something like that?

[spice veldt]

precognition is an existing blessing on the duellies and force swords

[olive ember]

also weakspot dmg is alot more important on knife

so

its not a 1 to 1

actually

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[olive ember]

idek is weakspot damage even good on the ds

[spice veldt]

less than the knife iirc

[olive ember]

cuz knifes are one of the few weapons where weakspot damage is amazing

alongside like what

laspistol?

[scarlet timber]

I really really like Mark 4 Sabre tbf

Gives me saltspyre vibes

[spice veldt]

weakspot multiplier on duellies is roughly 1.75x

knife has roughly 4x on average

[scarlet timber]

Wtf

[olive ember]

lmao

[scarlet timber]

That's unfair!!!

[olive ember]

I mean it is the knife

[scarlet timber]

Give us at least 2.5

[olive ember]

nope

1.75x best you get

[spice veldt]

prob a duelly buff in the next update

it's one of the weapons that i'd expect a slight buff for

[scarlet timber]

Yeah I dont wanna be called weirdo whenever a psyker wirh elissi sees me...

[spice veldt]

since even baseline obscurus is better than them in terms of offense even if you ignore slaughterer

wonder how the deimos and duellies are going to be changed

[near wyvern]

if they remove my mutant one shot I am gonna hold a memorial

[olive ember]

eh I won't call you a weirdo if I see a ds

well I will if I see you use the ds and then not use its mobility

but if I see another fucking knife revolver psyker

I will mald

[olive ember]

no slaughterer changes have been spotted so far

but we never know

[near wyvern]

doesn't need slaughterer for the one shot

[olive ember]

oh what does it need to one shot

or are you talking about weapon buffs in general

ik zealots need slaughterer on their thammers for their lights to be oneshot against trash

[near wyvern]

depends on your rolls, +25 maniac and +10 special on perks is enough to oneshot at 6 stacks with WU at 0 peril

[spice veldt]

just warp unleashed and warp charges

[olive ember]

which is hilarious

[olive ember]

I mean +10 special is

[near wyvern]

even +8 special will do

[spice veldt]

75% peril, 4 wc, and 80/80/80 deimos will one-shot a mutant with the h2

[near wyvern]

that with perks or without?

[spice veldt]

oh right with +25% maniac

[olive ember]

Actually

If we are talking about dueling sword buffs

Then I can also cope about obscures buffs

[scarlet timber]

Some dude was like why you running ds and mark 4? At aleast run mark 5 it's clearly better...

[olive ember]

I think mk V is considered the best one

I have no clue why tho

Something about how it’s heavies or push attacks are overheads instead of stabs iirc

[scarlet timber]

Cuz its heavies

Are the most damaging

[near wyvern]

best mobility and best damage on heavy swings, also the heavy swings are cutting from top to bottom so piss easy to hit heads

but even then it cannot match the huge damage of Deimos

[plucky flax]

I run duelling sword sometimes it's good just use your staff 95% of the time.

[sharp lava]

Which of the psyker swords do people rate as best for farming the directives for melee kills now?

[olive ember]

Directives for melee kills is

What exactly?

[sharp lava]

scabs and dregs, the usual for coin

[spice veldt]

contracts probably

illisi by pure body count

[olive ember]

Illisi then easily yeah

[spice veldt]

make sure to spam the special on the illisi if you can afford the peril and there is sufficient density

[sharp lava]

Sorry yes, contracts.

Running on little sleep, words not working 😄

[sharp lava]

Special on the Illisi is basically power sword, right?

[spice veldt]

ye

[sharp lava]

Presumably deflector + ? (going to craft one, only have a crappy 450 one)

[spice veldt]

the times on the special-heavy to clear 40 poxwalkers stacked on top of each other is roughly double that of the normal-heavies, though that's of course with all of them stacked on top of each other

slaughterer is the other one you'll want

for the moment, the first target stat is bugged on the illisi such that it does not scale the damage of the first target hit by the special

[near wyvern]

yes slaughterer for the win, either heavy-heavy or heavy-light and when they start to pile up, dodge back ,special up and do a heavy swing

[spice veldt]

first target still matters for the normals, but if your warp res is high enough to spam the crap out of the special for trash mobs, then it's good nuff

[near wyvern]

same for ragers etc, dodge back ,special up and golf time

https://tenor.com/view/golf-swing-jaco-van-zyl-international-olympic-committee250days-fore-watch-out-for-the-ball-gif-19166042

[spice veldt]

if you have the APM and aren't at 100% peril (since dropped inputs may result in EXPLOSION), then you can QQ-cancel the first heavy a bunch of times

[sharp lava]

Ty!

[near wyvern]

Haters gonna hate but I must admit, I do enjoy 111112 Revolver + Deimos

https://youtu.be/DW3nVCcyups

[potent echo]

Psyker revolver is fun

Esp since the buffs that made it actually have breakpoints

[supple salmon]

What is the difference for mk II and IV force sword? I know mk V is for horde but the first two seem to work almost identically.

[golden frigate]

illisi = horde clear

deimos = oneshotter

obscurus = sadness

[spice veldt]

the stabs deal extra damage

on deimos, the stabs are the l1 and h2, so they're fairly easily accessible
the light stab deals 2x damage and the heavy stab deals 2.5x damage

[vestal fulcrum]

Obscurus (Mk2) was the first force sword that was released, although it currently holds no significant value over what a newer addition, Deimos (Mk4) offers

[supple salmon]

Dam it's that bad?

[spice veldt]

the obscurus has a shittier light combo and the stab is hidden away as the 3rd light behind the uppercut

[golden frigate]

it's not really that bad, it's just way worse than the other two

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s still a force sword, but its attacks are objectively lower value than that of Deimos’

[spice veldt]

and the obscurus doesn't have a heavy stab at all

[golden frigate]

you can run obscurus np, it just isn't excellent in anything unlike the other two

[supple salmon]

I see. Should I pair deimos with surge staff?

[golden frigate]

you can do whatever, normally surge should go with a horde clearing weapon tho (illisi) since it doesnt excel at that

[supple salmon]

I see

Thank you

[golden frigate]

you're welcome bud

[hidden crystal]

I experimented a few days back with just how quickdraw quickdraw really is:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1146960964147757219/2023-09-01_01-04-57.mp4

[manic halo]

we can go faster

[olive ember]

I fucking

Why

An AB revolver build

[plain turret]

Just out of curiosity, thought I'd ask other Psykers. Which one would you use?

[vestal fulcrum]

The left-most one. I’d also swap Maniac to Crit chance

[thorn tapir]

left for sure

[true lake]

they seem all mostly the same in all honesty given you can't modify any of them anymore

but left would be best for now at least until you can afford to build up a new one

[near wyvern]

Dafuq with those wounds

[near wyvern]

Revolver struggles with ranged squads spread around so 6 stack AB works wonders to deal with such situation. It also functions as a ctrl+A delete if things get too heated, especially if you start smacking shit with the Slaughterer Deimos.

And you want to be at 6 stacks anyways to meet one shot thresholds for flamers etc.

With the revolver

[true lake]

revolver is great for long range sniping of specials, but as a psyker you already have brain burst to handle that

[near wyvern]

BB is so freaking slow

[true lake]

I feel the utility of most staffs are far more than the utility of a revolver

just pairs better with feats

and you don't have to suck ammo dry

[near wyvern]

If a bomber starts their throw you can't interrupt it with BB in time but you can still one shot them with revolver to prevent the throw, similar for flamers. Also revolver goes through enemies so you can hit that sniper through gazillion heads instead of trying to find the lock. I use both. BB if I have time, revolver if it needs to die right now.

[hidden crystal]

Oh, that's the Will of the Emperor mod. Only affects self-hosted lobbies, but it's got a load of options to muck with parameters.

That's Fervency mode, which ups your wounds to 10 and means you self-revive. I usually have it on for tests where I want invulnerability off so I can see what damage I take, but also don't "fail" if I do go down.

[true lake]

I guess with bomber scenario it makes sense, just haven't really had that many situations I guess

[near wyvern]

If there is a veteran on the team I don't need to pick up ammo at all. If there isn't, I only need leftovers, so no, revolver does not drain ammo from team. Unless you unload it on every head you see of course.

[true lake]

I'm just used to running my very paranoid load out because my random lobbies always be tripping

have had randoms of nothing but ogryns

all running gun centric builds

[near wyvern]

I have just found that it's usually a flamer, bomber, trapper, sniper or a mutant that ends the run. Therefore my gunker loadout is kitted to deal especially with that since dealing with horde is trivial anyways. The only thing I miss with the build is the amazing control you can have on ogryn elites with Trauma.

[true lake]

for me its almost always the trappers

haven't had as much issues with bombers but they definitely can split the party up

[near wyvern]

In auric the bombers can get really painful if the game spawns 3 of them while you are fighting a horde.

[true lake]

I'm too scared to do auric lol

[near wyvern]

As showcased here #psyker-class message, revolver is really quick to draw and fire so it's easy to do force sword push -> bang to kill a special

[true lake]

need good teammates

[golden frigate]

basically only played auric with randoms so far, finding good players is not that unusual dw

you will eventually find a vet that keeps shooting bursters when you are pushing them, wipes the party this way and then flames, but what can you do

[hidden crystal]

The reason I tend to run an MG12 psyker is because of the number of public lobbies I've been in where no-one's come decently equipped to deal with waves of shooters.

And I cannot be bothered to have to grind up decent gear for a vet.

[plucky flax]

Run blaze trauma and deal with everything.

[golden frigate]

this. definitely this. gunners clear can make or break lobbies

[golden frigate]

or blaze void

[plucky flax]

I almost always top smol shooters killed with trauma.

Unless when there's a really decent vet.

[hidden crystal]

I've never got on with the aiming on trauma.

[plucky flax]

1 blast = 6 or 7 shooters ded.

It's extremely good when they're caught off guard just chatting.

[hidden crystal]

But yes, it's not unusual for me to join a lobby where the others have brought some combination like a flamer, surge and kickback.

[plucky flax]

Surge is also op against shooters.

Make them dance then slide in to illisi.

[hidden crystal]

Many of the short range weapons can make a mess of shooters if you get close, but that often means breaking cover and coherency.

[near wyvern]

If only MG12 could one shot flamers and gunners but unfortunately you can't seem to do both

[near wyvern]

Yes but after hundreds of missions it gets stale to stare at your feet every mission

[plucky flax]

That's when I mix it up with illisi surge or duelling sword purg.

Or right click and chill with helbore mk2 on vet.

[hidden crystal]

Alas, it's not perfect, but a headshot with a follow-up body shot isn't too dire.

[near wyvern]

90% of Nexus Spirit Trauma gameplay:

[plucky flax]

Wait I don't stare at my own feet that much.

[near wyvern]

It's effective but do it enough and it gets boring

[plucky flax]

I do full charge blast.

[near wyvern]

Oh right the other pov:

[plucky flax]

Ah yes now that's my fav.

[near wyvern]

It's either one or the other, nothing in between

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, this is part of why I don't run Trauma.

[olive ember]

How do you think surge staff illisi psykers feel

Carrying the game obviously cuz surge staff best staff

[near wyvern]

I dunno, I run Deimos with Surge because people lack brains to follow up

[olive ember]

Lmao true but illisi single target ain’t that bad

It’s like a two shot with illisi

[plucky flax]

Nearly 500k damage in 31 mins that's op.

[true lake]

wait there is an actual breakdown screen?

[plucky flax]

212 smol shooters killed

[near wyvern]

Scoreboard mod

And there are like additions to it

[true lake]

bruh is it so hard for fatshark to add it

[golden frigate]

you can customize what you see on it iirc

[near wyvern]

I have a mod that shows the feats and weapons used

[true lake]

it's just a board with numbers

[near wyvern]

Sorry talents

Cause they changed the name

[golden frigate]

that would lead to toxic behaviour

[willow escarp]

iirc they’ve explicitly stated they don’t want to add it

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, it's more that they deliberately removed it.

[true lake]

meanwhile vermintide having it for years with 0 issues

[hidden crystal]

If only. VT was often plagued by people chasing the green circles or criticising players who scored less well.

[golden frigate]

every player in VT2 is toxic wdym that's why they made darktide in the first place

[true lake]

and even then darktide has a block system

just block the toxic guy

bruh this is 40k we talking about, almost everyone is racist or otherwise toxic in some way regardless lmao

[willow escarp]

nobody ever seems to have deaths/downs on their scoreboards I notice

[hidden crystal]

I've certainly encountered players who I'm sure were competing with the team because of the Scoreboard mod.

It doesn't matter who gets the flaming kill, stop exploding poxbursters in my face!

[plucky flax]

Idc scoreboard it's just for memes.

[true lake]

where do I get the scoreboard mod

[plucky flax]

I only want plasteels.

[true lake]

I mainly just like having a breakdown because it gives me an idea how effective my load out is in actual games

the meat grinder doesn't simulate teammates and their shenanigans

[willow escarp]

I personally think you should be able to determine that by playing

[hidden crystal]

Same place as you'd find most mods for the game. Nexus.

[willow escarp]

your scoreboard is going to likely tell you more about your teammates than yourself, as playing with pubs they will be the variable

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, to be honest, that's what I find.

[willow escarp]

if you have a bad team and you win, you almost certainly will kill more and have a higher relative score than if you have a good team

it doesn’t mean you played worse in the latter game than the first

[true lake]

I mean eh, I still like having it as a sheet to reference more specifically how effective I am against certain things

besides I can easily tell when my teammates suck anyway

[plucky flax]

Play for yourself don't trust team unless you're squad up with the Bois.

Let them die don't even bother to ress if it's slightly risky.

[willow escarp]

without a scoreboard, you can absolutely more easily determine how effective you are than your teammates are

[true lake]

would probably turn off other teammates stats if the board lets me

[willow escarp]

scoreboard would give you better insight into them

[true lake]

that's what I mean though I like having more specific insight

[willow escarp]

“them” being your teammates

by all means, use it if you think it’ll help you gauge your performance

[true lake]

I definitely see how it could lead to toxicity ofc

[hidden crystal]

My MG12/Illisi loadout swings heavily in the scoring depending on what role it's best for me to fit into.

If I'm on crowd control, it's not uncommon for me to get the most kills... but if someone's turned up with a Purgatus staff, I just can't compete with that. At that point, I'm more likely to switch to keeping shooters under control, which isn't going to give me impressive kill stats but it does let other members of the team keep doing what they're best at.

Sometimes I'll get the most Special/Disabler kills - I'm a psyker, brain burst is decent at that. But if there's a bolter vet there, probably not.

[true lake]

just helps me more specifically though

[mossy surge]

Plasteel grind

[golden frigate]

tbf I was joking before, the amounts of players that actually flame you for score is basically none, if they really care that much they boast about it in discord usually

[plucky flax]

Sigma plasteel grindset hab dreyko memer

[true lake]

usually yeah

[golden frigate]

this holds true for me as well

[true lake]

most "toxicity" I have had over in vermintide was someone alt f4ing because they got downed after running off by themselves and getting hit by a gutter

[golden frigate]

lmao yes

or going down and flaming before alt-f4ing

[true lake]

almost like the game isn't balanced around being alone, crazy

[willow escarp]

the altf4 happens a lot here

[hidden crystal]

As I'm running a fairly generalist build with the goal of being able to at least somewhat fill whatever gap the team might have, my scoreboard mostly tells me what the other players weren't doing.

[willow escarp]

unfortunately in DT the game is also 1/3 scavenger hunt

[golden frigate]

and it actually can save you, some days ago i had a run that went to impossible to win just because of 2 players dcing after being downed and getting subbed by bots (maelstrom btw)

[willow escarp]

yeah botting is a real thing esp in premades

[true lake]

at least in vermintide the collectibles are guaranteed spots

darktide just picks whatever it feels like

[golden frigate]

and maps have varying amounts of it as well

[willow escarp]

yeah and plasteel hunting is constant

I play with some real scavengers so we usually end like 700-800 psteel per game lol

[golden frigate]

lol lucky you

w/ randoms i usually get 4/500, which isn't that bad but meh

[true lake]

I need more c u b e s

[plucky flax]

Then you yourself need to grab more. My highest I think was nearly 700.

[golden frigate]

fair enough

[mossy surge]

And we usually do that in sub 25min

[knotty willow]

hey all, just made a psyker for the first time. I know there is info pinned but if any can be more direct with me, looking to start off with a melee psyker kind of build. what is the most effective?

[empty onyx]

I just had an epiphany regarding Wildfire that I hadn't thought about before: Every time you spread even one stack to another enemy that's another 10% chance to get a charge when you kill them.

[golden frigate]

illisi for melee, surge in order to stun the big threats and have fun

#psyker-class message

examples of staves builds

as for class specific melees you got illisi for horde clear and deimos for single target (obsucurs is outclassed)

[gusty furnace]

Trauma Staff and Deimos Force Sword

Purgatus Staff and Deimos Force Sword

Surge Staff and Illisi Force Sword

if you wanna lean into melee, I suggest Surge/Illisi

[golden frigate]

builds tend to be similar to other classes perkwise, flak and maniac rule

[gusty furnace]

Surge by itself isn't super strong, that's a fair assessment of the weapon.

[golden frigate]

the meta blessings are slaughterer, unstable power (every 20% peril gets you the x%) and deflector if you want more defense

[gusty furnace]

But that's also only assessing it based on damage.

Surge is great for hard crowd control. You can stop multiple mutants in one charge. Trappers, flamers, and dogs.

And illisi lets you do the horde control aspect with a super powerful activated heavy 1 attack

[knotty willow]

saw a psyker use a sword that one shot muties

[golden frigate]

deimos

[gusty furnace]

That's the Deimos

You need 25% maniac

Light 1 into space

follow up with heavy attack

the heavy attack is a stab

And does incredibly uber damage to everything on a headshot

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma with illisi superiority.

[gusty furnace]

I find that it doubles up on the same job

Trauma deletes hordes

and Illisi does too

And Illisi lacks single target damage

So it gets annoying when you need to fight mutants

[plucky flax]

No it's really good against muties.

2 specials per.

1 special for other specialists.

[gusty furnace]

yeah or I could just stab them in the face

[golden frigate]

you 2shot mutys with illisi

[gusty furnace]

and kill them in one hit

[golden frigate]

fair enough

[gusty furnace]

and not spend any peril on them

The peril adds up in Maelstrom

[plucky flax]

Never had problem.

[gusty furnace]

having a one-shot tool that costs no peril in mutant train maelstrom is incredibly important to me

[plucky flax]

Been running illisi blaze trauma since the og days.

[gusty furnace]

Probably because I'm bad at edging peril

[golden frigate]

you kind of always have the 0.5s of R-ing to vent, at least I didnt find myself in any peril-related issue thanks to illisi

[gusty furnace]

I dunno the activation cost limit of the staffs yet

I would be a terrible beedeeseem partner

[plucky flax]

Well I hope you open your eyes to crit chance flak superiority also.

[acoustic osprey]

illisis recon las gun

oh i didn't scroll down jk

[gusty furnace]

I don't believe in this being superior over Flak/Unarmored due to the current meta

Maybe if Fatshark ever releases difficulty 6

Then the DPS gain from more soulblaze stacks will actually matter

But as it stands, Trauma already shits on damnation waves

[plucky flax]

[gusty furnace]

And unarmored lets me blow up dreg stalkers better

along with scab stalkers

Fuckin leggies

[plucky flax]

Already 1 shot dreg stalkers.

[knotty willow]

gotcha

gonna check back in when i got some lvls

[gusty furnace]

Yeah but it lets you get away with less than full charge

It also hits dreg machinegunners

Same deal, less charge and less attacks in general to delete them

[plucky flax]

Does it 1 shot dreg gunner? No so it's still 2 charges.

Yeah and you lose damage against everything else with lack of crit chance. But it's fine it's your build.

[golden frigate]

surge illisi is a very good combo while leveling, i'd suggest to grab them asap! have fun

[true lake]

surge illisi is a nice all round combo

[gusty furnace]

Hmm

HMM

Well, fatshark at least gave me a replacement for my other two crit surge voidstrikes

[feral inlet]

in a perfect world

voidstrike doesnt have 60% maniac damage, more cleave and has built in surge

[golden frigate]

in a perfect world

every psyker runs blaze void

there are no other weapons

just blaze, and void

[fresh vessel]

Sparkies, how should I build a rending shockwave trauma staff

[hollow current]

flak and unarmored

[fresh vessel]

Anything I should aim for on the second blessing?

[hollow current]

warp flurry

[fresh vessel]

Thank you!

Oh yeah what's the absolute lowest we can cut off for on damage

[hollow current]

I think some people its dump stat since it doesn't change the charge attack terribly much

[fresh vessel]

Oh wew

Makes it much easier to build than I feared

[hollow current]

charge rate numba wan

[fresh vessel]

How about voidies, pretty all my psykering has been doing my best Palpatine impression.

[golden frigate]

for voidstrike? you want to get blazing + nexus, crit + whatever honestly and spam charge (with R cancels), occasionally charge to full

[gusty furnace]

Don't let anyone lie to you

This is the only correct way

[golden frigate]

blaze is the only correct way, delete rn

[gusty furnace]

this is the better build if you're chasing zeros

Its definitely the best Voidstrike

You get to shoot it infinitely

peril mechanics need not apply

[untold spade]

I have one just like that

infinite bloodthirsty marble spam in hordes

[golden frigate]

you heatens

[gusty furnace]

But yeah, I'd probably say that Blazing Spirits>Surge

It just hits more enemies

[golden frigate]

running void without blazing spirit is like running shred deflector on illisi

[gusty furnace]

Surge is just funnier

Nothing like two shotting a reaper because RNG blessed you

[fresh vessel]

Aight and

What feats pair well with a rending staff.

Not that it'll matter in 3 weeks

[knotty willow]

gotta say, really digging psyker

how do you reduce peril besides not using abilites?

[gusty furnace]

wait

or hold R

[fresh vessel]

If you're using a staff, hold R

[untold spade]

quell

[gusty furnace]

when using a force weapon or staff

[knotty willow]

staff

can you do it with force melee?

[fresh vessel]

Yeah!

[knotty willow]

thx

[gusty furnace]

that falls under "Force weapon"

Which only includes three swords right now

[fresh vessel]

Just force swords for now.

gib force axe

[gusty furnace]

No force axes or force mauls

[untold spade]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ gib

[fresh vessel]

gib grenade gauntlet and shield ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[knotty willow]

what about feats? only unlocked to 2nd bracket. I know for the first for zel and vet that there is one thats really good (or best of the 3). that the same with psyker?

[fresh vessel]

Feats are very dependant on preferences and loadout with psyker when compared to everyone else.

[knotty willow]

just something to help with lvling

[gusty furnace]

something like this

[knotty willow]

thx

[whole oxide]

first two tiers are very flexible, all of them have a good case in some builds

[deep gorge]

yes. nom nom

[true lake]

we love voidstrike with surge blessing

[grizzled jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pasta-noodles-ariana-grande-suck-hot-gif-18911889

[near wyvern]

Why tho

You can accidentally cancel the proc when quell cancelling

[scarlet timber]

can someone

give me a build

i can go with

dueling swords?

and i mean feats

this is the class i got the least knolwdge on

[true lake]

because hitting two crit blasts is funi

[plucky flax]

Duelling sword purg staff. 21x122

[scarlet timber]

thx

[plucky flax]

Only use your sword to move around and heavy slaps on specials.

[knotty willow]

does the psykinetic aura affect just allies or me as well?

[plucky flax]

Affect allies but you have to be the one landing the killing blows.

[knotty willow]

oh so i reduce ally cd if i kill elites

[plucky flax]

And yourself aye.

[knotty willow]

oh and myself

so i can stack that with a total of 12% cd from curios?

[plucky flax]

It's very strong for hishock and maelstrom.

[scarlet timber]

whats the build

on purge staff?

@plucky flax

[plucky flax]

Uh generally if I use it with a deimos I run 311122.

[scarlet timber]

no

i mean the

blessigns and such

[plucky flax]

Oh, crit chance flak, warp nexus warp flurry.

[scarlet timber]

thx

[plucky flax]

76% burn and as high cloud radius as you can. Damage is dump stat.

[scarlet timber]

thats meta right?

not your own build?

[plucky flax]

It's super meta.

[scarlet timber]

oh okay

[plucky flax]

But you can trust me I am top 0.1% psyker.

[olive ember]

Uhuh

I can’t help but notice that you recommended fucking wildfire

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's good.

I run wildfire on blaze trauma too of course.

[spice veldt]

scab stalkers and dreg gunners count as flak to the trauma

same stuff as the rumbler

[gusty furnace]

Ah okay

good to know

[spice veldt]

fyi aura and combat ability Regen from curios stack multiplicatively

[knotty willow]

meaning?

[spice veldt]

so with 0% CAR, you'd get 4.5s of cooldown per elite kill, but with 12% CAR, you'd get 3.96s of cooldown per elite/special kill

so if you're getting a bunch of elite/special kills over a game, it's not as great as it sounds (though I still like combat ability Regen with aura myself)

[knotty willow]

oh so basically i dont need the cd reduction

[spice veldt]

p much

still nice to have if your team is getting the elite/special kills but not as good as it could've been 😔

[olive ember]

Imagine taking car

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[knotty willow]

not even a problem

i use that 12% on both my zeal and vet. does wondors for them. with psyker gameplay so far, i'm always sniper with brain burst if possible

also notice, none of the staffs have range

[broken carbon]

primary fire and void strike

[upper galleon]

I don't feel it on vet

But I could see it on zealot most everyone uses 2 charges

[spice veldt]

i like it on vet since the ult is the invincibility mode

[knotty willow]

prob cuz you rambo and keep killing range units

[upper galleon]

True

[upper galleon]

I just rambo

[spice veldt]

i don't run counterfire, so my ult doesn't always get extended

and my crippling lack of knowledge about bolter breakpoints tends to gimp me

[knotty willow]

but there have been times where there wasn't range, accidently popped early. then suddenly lots of range/elites/specials, now i gota wait for 20+secs and hopefully not get overrunned

[willow escarp]

counterfire let’s you do robocop RP

[spice veldt]

yeah psyker's staffs are kind of depressing in the range and single-target department

[knotty willow]

which one void strike? dont think ive used yet

[broken carbon]

fires a big ass ball

[spice veldt]

oh yeah, don't use the trauma at lower levels/ratings

[knotty willow]

oh...

been doing that

[spice veldt]

it's one of the weapons whose stats scale REALLY hard

[knotty willow]

really like it tho

[spice veldt]

yeah it's nice

if it's doing fine for you, then that's good

I do think it's still a fine staff with all of those stats

but in case that you were feeling that it was a bit sluggish, it'll get quite a bit better

e.g., the charge rate on trauma scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second (1.3 seconds at 80%)

[knotty willow]

yea, just trying to play with the combos while lvling

just tried illis and surge. I like but again, dealing with range would be nice

[broken carbon]

boltt stafffff pleaseeeeeeee

[knotty willow]

gotta rush them which is fun but feel like the low stam messing me up

[spice veldt]

yeah not as much stam for sprint and whatnot

[knotty willow]

regens almost instant tho

[spice veldt]

if you like to be aggressive into ranged patrols, I recommend focused channeling on your staffs since it gives you the effect of zealot's TWBS while channeling your staff

[broken carbon]

i have never seen someone recommend focused channeling before

[knotty willow]

I'm trying all the styles then seeing what i like most

[spice veldt]

i do it occasionally

[lunar hollow]

it's soul crushingly annoying to get since its a t2 blessing so u have to check the armory requisition fucking constantly

[willow escarp]

focused channeling makes sense to me

[knotty willow]

then, I want to do whatever mix/match to build a survival loadout

[fresh reef]

What's the cutoff point for burn stat soulblaze stacks? 76%?

[willow escarp]

more impactful than rending on trauma in a lot of cases

[spice veldt]

ye 76%

[olive ember]

Yes

[knotty willow]

I want to have a chance to clutch no matter how dire the situation

[olive ember]

Another focused channeling

[knotty willow]

only feel like i can with zel

[fresh reef]

Gonna start grabbing some garbo grays

[spice veldt]

the mosquito pops up to shit on any mention of focused channeling

[lunar hollow]

if u wanna get real deranged

level to like the min u need to access crafting

[spice veldt]

it's getting real tiring when all you have to say is to be a downer every time I talk about it

[lunar hollow]

on an alt psyker

[broken carbon]

illisi and surge/trauma would be best probably

[lunar hollow]

and use shared resources to grind focused channeling

[spice veldt]

yeah and it's your fault for being a mosquito

[lunar hollow]

this is literally all he does and its always annoying and he won't stop

[spice veldt]

little shi

[willow escarp]

focused channeling is def underrated idk why people act like it’s a dead pick over rending

[spice veldt]

because somehow the 40% from shockwave will be impactful

in a pub game

[olive ember]

With the mouth breather claw zealots I get

Yes

Yes it will

[spice veldt]

yeah and the dclaw doesn't have any remarkable DPS in the first place

[fresh reef]

Currently have a T4Nexus/T3Flurry purg with good bars and BiS perks

but I wanna try to get the same thing with Focused Channeling, for the meme

[willow escarp]

all you need usually is the knockdown for the crusher

[broken carbon]

i almost never see claw zealots

[lunar hollow]

100% dclaw damage is still like

[broken carbon]

heresy?

[lunar hollow]

nothing

[spice veldt]

weapons like the bolter and ripper get a massive benefit because of their inherently high DPS

[willow escarp]

so they can reload the bolter lo

[olive ember]

Malice

[spice veldt]

i get dclaw players here and there but they're usually fine

[lunar hollow]

and even on the bolter shattering impact is situational as fuck

[willow escarp]

the deflector deniers really lose me tho

[lunar hollow]

you can run stuff like surgical/deadshot and make up for not having it just fine

[willow escarp]

I moved back to using it on my illisi and it just seems silly not to

[gusty furnace]

its respectable on heavy attacks

[fresh reef]

I don't like deflector because I don't like force swords

[gusty furnace]

dps? its not stellar

but the heavy attacks on dclaw are mostly fine

[lunar hollow]

ripper has actually balanced armor modifiers so can opener provides a decent bonus vs anything that isnt infested or unarmored, but is only hugely meaningful for carapace

[olive ember]

Also wait wtf @spice veldt I don’t always shit on focused channeling

[gusty furnace]

its just that light attacks are literally pointless

[olive ember]

I just do it when you are around

[gusty furnace]

which is a problem

70 unarmored body damage

Literally a wet noodle

Its a god damn sword. That shit'll chop your arms off

[lunar hollow]

ive seen enough liveleak videos of british men fighting each other with swords in the streets

dclaw is just sad

[fresh reef]

In fairness, have you seen some of the rejects arms?

They're not exactly too far past noodle status themselves

[gusty furnace]

Yeah

the reject models leave a lot to be desired

[blazing echo]

But they have holy fervour

[spice veldt]

and that somehow makes it better

[gusty furnace]

musculature character settings when

[olive ember]

I mean