psyker-class

[idle aurora]

they fixed one error and added like 10 old ones

[languid tusk]

how much can you block if you go full stamina + peril block ?

does it stack ?

[cyan notch]

yes

[broken quail]

Finally I'm getting good use out of unstable power on the illisi, probably the only weapon that benefits both from the damage bonus of high peril and can generate its own peril quickly

[languid tusk]

i have 2 warp resistence on my illisi, just need to tickle the sword a little bit and it's about to burst

great for peril damage/resistence though

[olive ember]

flak + maniac/unyielding/crit chance are all better options than flak + infested

[broken carbon]

perish.

[languid tusk]

how so

isn't it better to flame all the infested that fill the map ?

rather than the one monstrosity that you might meet or not ?

[olive ember]

Infested only affects poxwalkers and hounds and it doesn’t need extra damage against trash that already melts in 2 seconds

Maniac helps against ragers and a bunch of specials, unyielding is niche but mostly against bosses, crit is just extra stacks every time you crit which helps against anything that is tanky enough to withstand the purge besides like crushers

[languid tusk]

I did flak + crit in the end, I also have tier 4 warp flurry so that's a lot of crit

I find unlike the official build on darktidebuilds.ru I am more succesfull with 6 warp charges and the ability to not discharge warp charges with my F

This way I have a lot of damage and chaff dies in one pass of flames

[olive ember]

Wtf is dartidebuilds.ru

[cerulean cave]

Is crit really all that good on purgatus? Does every tick of DoT have a critchance?

[upper galleon]

No

[languid tusk]

Crit just makes DoT apply faster

[upper galleon]

Crit perk isn't worth it imo

[languid tusk]

I wouldn't know what to get in place of crit, maniac and unyelding don't seem super relevant

[cerulean cave]

Yea I figured... Ngl I don't think crit is good on any staff other than surge

[upper galleon]

Warp nexus is, but you are better off going 25% perk that increases the dot

[olive ember]

Crit is fairly good in purge not sure exactly how the crit is applied

[cerulean cave]

Unless you want a soulblaze trauma

[languid tusk]

normal hit = 20 damage + 1 stack of burn. critical hit = 22 damage + 2 stacks of burn

[upper galleon]

Critical hits with the fire projectile apply an additional stack of burn

[olive ember]

Crit is good on purge and blazing crit trauma

[upper galleon]

Trauma blaze crits don't apply double afaik but you want crit perk for blazing spirit

[languid tusk]

DO you do more damage with headburst spam or with unyielding purgatus ? (vs chaos spawn)

[upper galleon]

5% on purge staff is nothing

You light the enemy on fire then BB

What kind question is that it's a MMO rotation apply dots do damage then reapply dots if needed

[languid tusk]

ugh too much of a pita just spam BB and call it a day

[upper galleon]

HP bar mod will tell you if you are at Max stacks it's basic mechanics

[cerulean cave]

HP Bar and debuff mod

[upper galleon]

Purge is much better going off flak, unyielding, maniac or even unarmored

[olive ember]

Flak + crit is meta on purge

I have no clue why you are saying crit is bad ngl

[languid tusk]

well 90% of psykers in my games don't even know they can slide dodge while charging a BB. Meanwhile I'm sliding all over the place while charging up my purgatus. Swapping from purgatus to brain burst is definitely within my capabilities, it's simply too tedious.

[upper galleon]

25% more damage on the dot > applying 5% more additional stacks

[olive ember]

Each stack is exponential

[upper galleon]

It's not meta it's picked for synergy except unlike warp nexus

Perks are competing with much better values

[upper galleon]

Ok having your exponential values boosted by 25% is better than 5% more stacks

[cerulean cave]

Or they use their surge to stunlock a fucking horde, but start meleeing a crusher patrol.

[upper galleon]

Especially since most fodder die before reaching high stacks

[olive ember]

Yeah but maniac isn’t helping against fodder anyways so that point is moot

[upper galleon]

And it's not slow at all to build up fire

At 76% burn

Maniac is high value melee targets, flak and unarmored spread to shooters ala wildfire

Unyielding enemies are up there with maniac on enemies that will survive hitting Max stacks easily if you have 76% burn stat

[languid tusk]

25% faster kill time on chaff is not that bad, sometimes you have chaff everywhere and you need to do a 360 purgatus pass so the faster kill time helps clearing the screen

[upper galleon]

5% isn't faster fucking clear time

[indigo portal]

On the flamers it is to be noted that +crit will on average reduce TTK on anything that cannot reach max stacks of DoT due to crit stacking multiple DoTs per tick.

[olive ember]

Dear god you use wildfire

[upper galleon]

1 additional stack on 1/20 flames

Yes because in the density of Auric maelstroms and Auric damn

It spreads through the entire area

Repeatedly

[olive ember]

I really think you are overselling wildfire

[upper galleon]

So I do much more damage overall than 6 stacks

[indigo portal]

I wouldn't say it would outweigh the value of having 2 +25% damage perks, but for some people running Purge for specifically hordes and mixed hordes +flak +crit is good.

[upper galleon]

I'm literally not I've tested both

[languid tusk]

i mean realistically 25% unyielding is only going to be useful on monstrosities

[olive ember]

Yes

[upper galleon]

Wildfire has ridic chaining

[languid tusk]

and 25% manics on ragers, since mutants take basically no damage from purgatus anyways

[olive ember]

That’s the only reason you take unyielding

[upper galleon]

Bulwarks

[indigo portal]

Wildfire good. Free chip damage on everything in Damnation+.

[olive ember]

Why are you purging bulwarks

[upper galleon]

Because I can't BB because he has horde around him

[languid tusk]

only in mixed hordes. so you can purge them along with everything else

[upper galleon]

And he takes a shit ton of purge damage

[cerulean cave]

Hmmm. Y'all tempting me to try a purgatus build again.
Only to get pissed off by its completely unreliable stagger again.

[languid tusk]

you can always get terrifying barrage if you want more reliable stagger

[cyan notch]

dont rely on right click stagger

[upper galleon]

Like I swear some y'all would be better off going KB build and not soulblaze at all

Bleh, you don't need tb on purge not worth the slot

[cerulean cave]

From experience not even left click is reliable.

[languid tusk]

that's me I use kinetik barrage in my build.

[cyan notch]

left click is pretty reliable imo

[upper galleon]

[languid tusk]

this way i (almost) always have 6 warp charges and my soulblaze hits extra hard

[willow escarp]

The main downside to wildfire is aggroing daemonhosts lol

[cerulean cave]

Wtf's so wrong about KB?

[cyan notch]

nothing its good

[willow escarp]

now imagine if in patch 13 you can have wildfire AND 6 warp charges

[cerulean cave]

I know, I wanna hear why we should go KB instead of Purgatus

[cerulean cave]

Just give Psyker 12 charges default.

eZ

[languid tusk]

imagine if in patch 13 you can dual wield staves

you can purgatus while you surge

[willow escarp]

left click only

[indigo portal]

Yeah I mean, that's most likely the case.

[cerulean cave]

Fuck a stuff, let me free hand that shit

[willow escarp]

yeah I can’t imagine it not being

good thing they’re buffing enemy HP lol

[languid tusk]

they are doing WHAT ?

[cerulean cave]

Wait Fr?

[willow escarp]

that’s been confirmed yeah?

[languid tusk]

but...but... what about my breakpoints D: ?

[upper galleon]

Ehh, wildfire shouldn't spread to daemonhosts in my experience and 4->6 charges isn't a noteworthy damage boost

[cyan notch]

u can use both

[indigo portal]

They're increasing the difficulty by increasing health, density, and pacing during missions.

[willow escarp]

enemies in this game are super squishy anyways tbh

even on damnation

[upper galleon]

If I'm using KB it's in my Illisi surge build

[languid tusk]

without KB it's more like 6 charges vs 0

[upper galleon]

Cause 6 charges help me oneshot multiple scabs in a shock

Ascendant blaze generates charges

[abstract kestrel]

I like my random brain bursts

[cerulean cave]

No hard feelings but it went right over your head. I asked someone else, doesn't matter tho, you good

[upper galleon]

And so does communion if you really need to take it

[languid tusk]

in ideal conditions, not when you need to F to get rid of a trapper/dog/random rager spawning 2 inches from your face

[willow escarp]

expecting we get some general buffs tho. would be real nice if ogryn melee can just one shot groaners by default lol

[upper galleon]

You don't need charges to F

[cerulean cave]

Especially dope on surge cause the BB will prio Elites in the group your attacking

[upper galleon]

You need peril

[languid tusk]

? I thought you only generated charges from enemies you killed with your F and F only applies soulblaze if you have charges

[abstract kestrel]

no

it's all soulblaze

staff, sword crit blessing thing(I forgot), etc

[willow escarp]

it does apply if you have no charges. not sure how many stacks

[safe crystal]

Wildfire has other problems, like the hidden stack limit on its spread (4), on top of losing access to AB AoE ranged nuke with 6 stacks. Its not a bad feat, but it competes with a very strong option that, for me, isnt worth it

[indigo portal]

AB with Wildfire is quite enjoyable.

[indigo portal]

That isn't hidden no? It tells you that it can only transfer 4 stacks.

[gusty furnace]

Wildfire+Ascendant Blaze only makes me sad because I can't one-shot flamers with BB

Need 5 stacks

[safe crystal]

Then its been updated, havent checked the talent tooltips in a while, since nothing has changed

[gusty furnace]

But I'm locked to 4

[willow escarp]

gonna be interesting to see if ALL BLAZE build becomes viable

[languid tusk]

ideally best soulblaze build would have 6 stacks + wildfire + ascendant blaze

[indigo portal]

I only use Wildfire on my Gunker so I just shoot flamers lol.

[languid tusk]

maybe after the patch

[willow escarp]

wildfire, ab, wrack and ruin, warp battery

[upper galleon]

It's not hidden and it's not about getting kills

[gusty furnace]

On the flip side, even if I can't one-shot flamers with BB, I turn hordes from hordes into dust in the blink of an eye

[upper galleon]

It's about softening up and finishing off injured enemies and getting way more damage overall

[gusty furnace]

so that's neat

[upper galleon]

Wrack and ruin isn't worth it tho

[safe crystal]

I never said its about getting kills? You lose access to a ranged nuke if a room is full of shooters, instead of hoping it tickles them multiple times

[upper galleon]

WU is better

[indigo portal]

Running a built in Purge staff.

[willow escarp]

kinetic flayed rack and ruin gunker would be funny, starting fires with your gun

[languid tusk]

a screen full of softened up poxwalkers is about as bad as a screen full of healthy poxwalkers

[willow escarp]

I’m talking post patch

Assuming they won’t compete anymore

[gusty furnace]

That's why you use it with Purgatus Flamer

[upper galleon]

Since WU improves everything and wrack and ruin ohh okay

It's not for poxwalkers

[gusty furnace]

You can spread a lot of damage with Purgatus

[languid tusk]

as a wise man once said: the only status condition I want to apply is death

[upper galleon]

It's for shooters

[indigo portal]

No? It affects all enemies first of all, second of all shit like Thammer can actually kill multiple enemies per swing if they're super weakened. Helps out a load.

[upper galleon]

And it does kill on the 2nd pass through

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, there is some niche interplay with certain weapons when you're using Purgatus+Burn Feats

[upper galleon]

Fuck I've caught snipers with wildfire on certain maps

[gusty furnace]

Eviscerator, Thunder Hammer, Mk3b Basher, Power Maul, Mk1 Club

[upper galleon]

It's insane on the highest density

[gusty furnace]

all become far better when enemies are half-health

Devil's Claw

Fuckin knife

[indigo portal]

It has a really weird synergy with Paul and Crusher actually yeah. Makes the damage AoE actually kill enemies.

[willow escarp]

this is why you just keep setting fires. if things survive the first time then widlfire spreads to em again

[indigo portal]

I cannot wait to take Kinetic Flayer and Wildfire at the same time, just randomly pop elites across the map every 15 seconds sounds so goofy.

[gusty furnace]

Like the only legitimate drawback to Ascendant Blaze is twofold -

1. You outright cannot one-shot flamers with Brain Burst

2. You lose the consistent Rager one-shot with Brain Burst(Need 3 or 4 stacks, can't remember off the top of my head, and AB spends all psyker stacks)

But for those two trade-offs, you turn whole rooms blue

and this only gets better the higher the difficulty you play.

[languid tusk]

In my experience speedy fire kills are more valuable than wide application of fire. It lets other people focus on priority targets, otherwise they would still need to stick to melee to fend off the half burned enemies.

[gusty furnace]

Chasm Logistratum's end-event is fucking hilarious with Purgatus

[safe crystal]

The rager oneshot is 4 stacks with 40% or more peril, iirc

[gusty furnace]

Because the whole courtyard turns blue if you keep up with it

[safe crystal]

With WU

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, and you lose that consistency spending your stacks on Ascendent Blaze

But for the sake of turning whole rooms blue

so its not a huge deal at the end of the day

Crushers, bulwarks, and reapers still remain three BBs

[hoary badge]

Don't forget 2 charges will boost your melee output as well

[gusty furnace]

I just BB a couple times if I'm gonna swap to melee

Usually I can wait on my zealot or veteran or whoever to hold off the horde long enough to get a couple stacks and then I can come in and mop up

[willow escarp]

now what if wrack and ruin was changed to always start fires (why not?). kinetic barrage wildfire WnR

[gusty furnace]

Wrack and Ruin is what Adhesive Charge should be on Ogryn Rumbler

and you can't change my mind

Rumbler grenades should stick to elites and specials with it

[languid tusk]

So for example first room of refinery delta, there's enemies everywhere right ? You can AB the whole room and they all get to half hp, they still shoot at you. Or you can focus on the enemies near your team and make sure they die really fast so your team can worry about the far away enemies. Which your soulblaze stacks wouldn't finish off anyways.

[hoary badge]

and I'm pretty sure it boosts the blazes you do manage to proc

[upper galleon]

I'd run WaR only if i had leftover points post update

it's just not very good unlike wildfire which is technically infinite

[gusty furnace]

This is the problem with Psyker

[fallow falcon]

What the fuck is finesse damage?

[gusty furnace]

there is no fast DPS

[upper galleon]

crit and weak spot damage

[willow escarp]

true it does just need a general buff

[gusty furnace]

You can sit there and BB everything

[hoary badge]

securing the kills on targets you aimed for rather than crossing fingers for optimal spread

[gusty furnace]

or voidstrike from a million miles away

or hope that enemies get within range of trauma/surge

[upper galleon]

well you hope you have teammates who can at least do a little bit of help

[gusty furnace]

Ascendant Blaze just adds damage onto the "Sit back and BB everything"

And it helps veterans

which is sad

flamey enemies are impossible to miss

so the vets shoot the flamey enemies in cover

[languid tusk]

Oh I just thought of something. What's up with bulwarks sometimes not getting de-shielded when I use my F ?

is it proximity based ?

[willow escarp]

kinetic flayer + AB would be nice, pop it then immediately spam BB to get warp stacks back to buff the fire damage… and if WaR was good also pour out more fire?!

[upper galleon]

do you have high peril

range and knockback of your F is based on peril

[languid tusk]

oooh so it's peril based, interesting and good to know

[hoary badge]

your peril count, their stagger count and angle of ult is taken into account

[cyan notch]

wat

did they change it from warp charge to peril?

[hoary badge]

it was always peril iirc

[cyan notch]

nope

[upper galleon]

warp charges= how much blaze you send out with ascendant, how much cooldown reduction you get with quicken

[gusty furnace]

F scales off peril and distance

[upper galleon]

it has nothing to do with it's power

[gusty furnace]

more peril+closer distance = more stagger

100% peril at 1 meter has the most amount of stagger

0% peril at 30 meters has the least amount of stagger

[cyan notch]

it was always based on warp charge unless they changed it

[upper galleon]

it was very very early on

[cyan notch]

no

[willow escarp]

woah

Is that stated in game?

[gusty furnace]

Nope

[cyan notch]

it was like that for a long ass time

[upper galleon]

i remember it was changed like, in the first few months

[willow escarp]

Had no idea lol

[cyan notch]

at least 6 months

[upper galleon]

cause psyker posts were complaining and someone figured out it scales with peril now

[gusty furnace]

If you're going to F, its best to do it at 100% peril.

[cyan notch]

u can look at pinned guide

[gusty furnace]

Unless you have KB and need to chunk a boss

Then its acceptable to F at 0% peril

Or just clear out a train of specials

[willow escarp]

so it’s stagger that scales or technically range?

[gusty furnace]

another reason to run KB

[upper galleon]

well guides are shit for darktide

[gusty furnace]

Stagger scales with both range and peril

[cyan notch]

it was always based on warp charges which is why i asked if they changed it recently

[willow escarp]

like, will it affect whether or not it knocks off a dog?

[gusty furnace]

I think dogs are just pushed off within 30 meters

regardless of peril

[naive sedge]

Not very recently......?

[gusty furnace]

I haven't paid THAT much attention to it

[hoary badge]

I could be wrong but I believe the warp fart has the ignore stagger resistance trait similar to bashes as well

[cyan notch]

when

[cyan notch]

it was made by a dude from here who extensively tested things

and i can also confirm it was 100% based on warp charges at least 3 months ago

[olive ember]

The pygex guides are the only guides I trust

[naive sedge]

Idk.

[olive ember]

And like a few YouTubers who back up what they show

[gusty furnace]

I refuse to watch darktide videos

I'll just have my feed filled with garbage clickbait

regardless of the efficacy of certain videos

[olive ember]

Wdym you don’t like clickbait clay

[lunar hollow]

i do believe it got changed a bit ago

(it wasn't documented)

[cyan notch]

i vaguely remember something like that but nobody knows when

same with the ranged dr whatever being changed back to peril again (lol)

[hoary badge]

kinetic shield?

[cyan notch]

yes

[lunar hollow]

kinetic shield has always scaled off peril im pretty sure they just keep fucking up the tooltip for it

[olive ember]

They changed it with the surge staff VFX revert lmao

Oh kinetic shield has always been peril

I’m p sure

[cyan notch]

vfx was way too long ago

when i was playing it was still warp charges

[olive ember]

This for kinetic shield or the ability

[cyan notch]

F

[olive ember]

No clue then

[gusty furnace]

Oh hey

CalciumCally

my best buddy

Too bad he quit Darktide

Fuckin Fatshark

[olive ember]

Don’t worry I’m sure he will comeback 10/4

[gusty furnace]

Naw

He's done done

I've been friends with him for several years

Fatshark's total incompetence killed any future plans of Darktiding

[olive ember]

Oof

Not even the fatshark 2 year magic will save it?

[hoary badge]

magic has no effect on dawi fortitude

when a grudge goes in the book

it stays in the book

[cyan notch]

what about fatshark 2

[hoary badge]

fatshark remastered

[bold flint]

sharktide

[languid tusk]

is kinetic shield worth it ?

[regal jasper]

Is that the one where block makes peril instead of stamina?

[regal jasper]

Is your pfp blasphemous or just uncannily similar to mr blasphemous himself

[languid tusk]

other one ,reduced thoughness damage scaling with peril (from 10% to 33%)

[regal jasper]

Honestly idk

My builds aren’t good

[broken quail]

I keep switching between those two talents, though I like to run a +3 stamina curio so peril blocking might be overkill

[upper galleon]

if you aren't using deflector yes

[supple salmon]

Dumb question I just made Psyker an hour ago. How do I decrease my peril? The praying hand thingy.

[regal jasper]

I think the key binding is r

Yeah

[supple salmon]

OH

[regal jasper]

Just hold r down until the number hits 0

[supple salmon]

I'm fucking dumb

Thank you

[regal jasper]

Guns and melee dont let you unless they also generate peril

[upper galleon]

nah learn to high peril early

you can cast BB at 97% without blowing up

so just vent what you need

[regal jasper]

Yeah fair

Cant you cast at 99 before you die

Just cant use after 100

[olive ember]

It’s 97

Anything past 97 will blow you up

[regal jasper]

Oh

[upper galleon]

BB is 97% rest is 99% but it's safer to play around 90-95%

[regal jasper]

If i have my ult i don’t care if i go to 100 cuz i can save myself

[bold flint]

im just that uncanny

[regal jasper]

Damn

I already 100% blasphemous 2 so now idk what to do to wait for October 4th

[olive ember]

We are all waiting

[gusty furnace]

Its pretty solid

Does great work when rezzing

build peril

F downed teammated

take some peril damage from blocking while rezzing

go back to killing things

the building peril and F is to stagger enemies before you rez

because rezzing in the middle of an active group of enemies is just down right fucking moronic

[olive ember]

Kinetic shield is better general use

Kinetic deflection can save your ass when kinetic shield won’t tho

[spice veldt]

the change to make the ult's stagger scale with peril instead of warp charges occurred with patch #11 (june 29)

[cyan notch]

sounds about right

i vaguely remember people mentioning something about it

hows that all you scheming gaslighters

😤

[naive sedge]

(lol)

[olive ember]

I blame the fucking misinformation smh

People were saying it was based on peril all the way back in December smh

[languid tusk]

hey guys anyone online for malleum monstrum ? i need to 1v1 plague ogryn in private game

the hardest part about that challenge is i need to be in a party with someone else to starta private game

[foggy sage]

Not at all

[spice veldt]

psyker got some buffs

we still have a sore point in that we lack a single-target force staff, but it's been an upward trend for psyker

[olive ember]

I mean unless the single target staff can delete monsters/bosses i don’t think it’s that big of an issue

[spice veldt]

reapers taking 3 brainbursts be like

specialists be like

[gusty furnace]

I started playing psyker like a week ago

so don't blame me

[lunar hollow]

presumably the new blitzes will make up for it in at least some way

[spice veldt]

hopefully

[gilded viper]

Maybe we'll get a nice single target dps blitz that trades the safety of brain burst for better overall damage

[spice veldt]

a lack of reactivity besides psyker's ult is also very problematic

[olive ember]

Psykers probably the strongest now than ever

[lunar hollow]

i don't particularly mind staffs not filling every type of role if the blitzes fill the gaps for the most part

[gusty furnace]

Press F and get goku hands

[spice veldt]

since all of our staffs and brainburst require you to charge them before they can be used (besides the staff's LMB)

[gusty furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-blast-gif-25601675

[lunar hollow]

there's also the likelyhood there'll be a gun psyker tree

[olive ember]

Don’t think so?

[gilded viper]

I'm also kinda interested in the throwing knife zealot is getting

[lunar hollow]

which could help with the lacking unique single target stuff

[olive ember]

What were the leaked abilities again

[gusty furnace]

I'm not

doesn't control crowds

automatically ass

literally the point of ogryn/zealot/veteran blitz abilities

sorry, ult for ogryn

ogryn gets funny bokx

[gilded viper]

that's an incredibly narrow view but you do you

[spice veldt]

though if you're running the flamer, you might as well take another nade

[olive ember]

Mind shards, lightning smite, and shield were the abilities right

Or is mind shard supposed to replace BB

[lunar hollow]

first 2 are blitzes

last one is an ult

we dont know the last psyker ult

[olive ember]

Oh

[spice veldt]

i expect that they'll make the throwing knives good in some way given how good the stumm nades are

[olive ember]

Yeah we have to hope smite is mega damage

[gilded viper]

So it's three ults and blitzes then?

[gusty furnace]

But yeah, I really don't see the point of single-target blitz abilities unless they come with solid upsides

like ogryn box gets "lol begone mutie"

and also bulwark/reaper

and explosive box is great CC

Oooo a throwing knife

so zealots can be even more useless

[olive ember]

I mean we don’t know what the throwing knives do

Maybe they are like briar javelins kekw

[gilded viper]

judging only by the name mind shards will be like a shotgun perhaps? since they took shoty away from psyker for whatever reason

[gusty furnace]

Painge

[olive ember]

Also zealots get fucking molotovs so

[gusty furnace]

Speaking of shotguns, I wish they were better

WHERES MY AMMO FATSHARK

NOT IN MY FUCKING RESERVES THATS WHERE

[gilded viper]

doesn't the fire one literally ignore bulwark shield?

[gusty furnace]

yeah

but its a bolt action rifle

its the problem with all three shotguns

none of them have the ammo to be used like actual guns

so they're super reliant on their special shell, which can only be loaded in one at a time because fatshark hates good development processes

[gilded viper]

idk maybe we'll get a drum mag auto variant at some point

[gusty furnace]

and good gameplay decisions

Like, Ogryn Rippers got their ammo buffed

doubled, on the mk5

actually, just over doubled on the mk5 ripper

[olive ember]

I mean flameshotgun is pretty stronk

I just hate how the special functions

[gusty furnace]

But no, let the human shotguns languish because funny special shell

[olive ember]

Depends on what staff you prefer

[gilded viper]

several I guess like, I like purge and all that soulflame stuff

Surge is still boring, but hard cc is still hard cc

[olive ember]

3/1/1/1/1/2 for fire 3/1/2/1/3/3 for lightning

[gusty furnace]

here you go for staffs and their builds, give or take

[olive ember]

Both staves use warp nexus and warp flurry

[gilded viper]

I do also enjoy the Trauma stave a bunch now

[gusty furnace]

Trauma wants Flak/Unarmored

not Flak/Infested

but you know, rng is gonna rng

Surge wants Flak/Carapace

[olive ember]

Melee weapons meta is illisi force sword

Deimos is also nice but mostly used by fire staff

[gusty furnace]

I use it on trauma and void too

[olive ember]

That works yeah

[gusty furnace]

because all three staffs are horde staffs

[olive ember]

Just not surge actually cuz horde clear

[gusty furnace]

so single target damage is preferably on melee

[gilded viper]

Illisi is so good, they really need to make the original force sword better somehow

[olive ember]

I still have my obscures around just in case they buff it lol

[gilded viper]

same

[olive ember]

Also because I hate the deimos

[gusty furnace]

They could give it stellar warp resistance naturally

[olive ember]

So I genuinely would just use an obscures with my purge setup

[gusty furnace]

That's a monkey paw curls kinda buff

All psykers immediately go NO NOT LIKE THAT

[gilded viper]

I still think Deflector shouldn't be a trait you need to roll for

[olive ember]

If they made the horde clear good it would be enough tbh

And buff it’s special

[olive ember]

It used to be base

In the CBT

That’s why the block on all FS visually have that force field thing

[gusty furnace]

The problem with deflector being baked into force swords is that it functionally gives them three blessings

and literally removes all purpose to other melee weapons on psyker

[gilded viper]

I mean deflector never stopped psykers from running ax

[gusty furnace]

Why would you EVER use a combat axe if you get Deflector, Slaughterer, and Unstable Power on an Obscurus

[spice veldt]

maybe in a world where the force swords didn't have this much offensive power

but alas

[olive ember]

It’s also why when they released illisi and deimos initially they had deflector baked in

Because both force swords used old code from the CBT when deflector was baked in

[olive ember]

You would just swap to a rashad

[gusty furnace]

I don't think there's a particularly good way to buff the Obscurus though.

Rolling back to that.

Deimos covers single target, Illisi covers horde.

That leaves zero room for the obscurus

[gilded viper]

And Obscurus sucks at both

[gusty furnace]

and its the problem with weapon marks in general.

[olive ember]

Illisi has like maybe slightly worse single target than obscures (not sure) and deimos has better horde clear than obscures

It’s just

[gilded viper]

I do generally believe specialization to be better than generalization in most circumstances

[spice veldt]

illisi doesn't have the stab, but it also doesn't have a vertical uppercut

[gusty furnace]

I wish all the force swords had better move sets though

[spice veldt]

yeah specialization is generally better if you can have two weapons and if their numbers are balanced better

[olive ember]

Tbf you shouldn’t be triggering the vertical uppercut on obscures

[spice veldt]

though illisi currently is an overtuned generalist

[gusty furnace]

The deimos is most interesting with Light Stab>Heavy Stab

[olive ember]

The combo is heavy light

[spice veldt]

yes, but it means that you can't spam the light combo to get to the stab

and I hope you realize that the light combo has better raw DPS if you don't account for armour mods

[olive ember]

I guess but I do actually do heavy light light

[spice veldt]

because if you ignore the light combo, then the obscurus and illisi combos are equivalent

[olive ember]

Wait

[spice veldt]

besides the illisi having faster lights

[olive ember]

I’m dumb

The combo is light -> Heavy

Not heavy -> light

[spice veldt]

the obscurus is just outclassed

[gilded viper]

I know the big point of the patch is the talent tree, but I wonder if we'll see any weapons, maps, etc.

[olive ember]

There’s apparently blessing balancing so

We’ll have to see.

The big ones up for nerf would be slaughterer and BM I suppose

And pinning fire

[gilded viper]

I want a resource refund if that's happening

[olive ember]

They would need to nerf slaughterer hard for it to be outclassed on FS I feel

[spice veldt]

i have a bunch of currently bricked oranges sitting in my inventory, expectant for the oct 4 patch

they can also buff the other blessings to bring them up to speed

[gusty furnace]

Fatshark nerfed Power Cycler 3 times and didn't do that.

[spice veldt]

exorcist was created in a pre-quelling buff era, and the other blessings are just depressing

[gusty furnace]

I guarantee even a complete overhaul of weapons will see zero recourse for players.

We'll have to unfuck our gear to the new meta through the same methods we already have been for the last 9 months.

Fatshark is legally incapable of doing anything right as far as I'm concerned.

Its two steps forwards, four steps backwards, every single time with them.

[olive ember]

Eh I wouldn’t go that far

The state of the game now vs last year is def better

Not that much better but

It’s better

[gilded viper]

I mean if we literally got a golden patch people would still bitch cause they prefer silver. I just don't wait to wait on the mod that quickly zooms through rerolling for me to update

[gusty furnace]

You dont uh

have to reroll anything anymore though?

That's literally the best change so far

getting rid of perk rerolling

The second best is a bug, and its the resource cost refund at hadron

[gilded viper]

huh, so how does one potentially get better blessings then?

[olive ember]

Wat?

You mean the exploit?

[gusty furnace]

Yes

and its still the second best change to Darktide

[olive ember]

Oh yeah it’s getting patched

Sooner rather than later

[gusty furnace]

I wouldn't count on that last sentence.

[olive ember]

So I’m trying to get my friends on to roll semi decent weapons

[gusty furnace]

I bet it gets patched Oct 4

but not before then

unless Fatshark abandons their glacial development speed and addresses it next week or so

[olive ember]

Idk apparently catfish asked for the fix to be delayed but it’s going to get patched

[gusty furnace]

Oh, yeah, duh.

[olive ember]

But who the fuck knows it’s fatshark

[gusty furnace]

Its a pretty egregious bug.

One that I very much enjoy.

But its a bug, and there's no way its sticking around.

[olive ember]

But yeah I’m tryin to get my friends on rn to capitalize

So they won’t have to deal with the crafting system when 10/4 drops

[gusty furnace]

Literally the only reason I was able to kit out Psyker

[olive ember]

Or at least hopefully not as much

[gusty furnace]

I would've shot myself before engaging in the crafting on Psyker had the bug not been around.

I've already gone through the wringer enough on Veteran, Zealot and Ogryn.

[olive ember]

I spent 10k+ plasteel just to get warp flurry on voidstrike

And I fucking don’t even use voidstrike

[gusty furnace]

Doing it on psyker again would make me go fucking nuts.

[olive ember]

I was just testing out the dps of max flurry void

[gusty furnace]

It took me ~20,000 plasteel to find Surge.

On Voidstrike.

[olive ember]

And I wasted 10k plasteel for that lmao

[gusty furnace]

Thank god for the refunds

[olive ember]

I got 2 different surges

Holy shit it was so annoying

But hey I got surge in my library now so yay

[gusty furnace]

I wonder if they'll ever fix Surge on Trauma so it works on the charge attack

[olive ember]

No clue but I remember people conjecturing

And the thought is that it would be kinda shit anyways

[gusty furnace]

I mean, it'd help with edging yourself to death

Half charges above 80%

And whoops now they sometimes do double damage

[olive ember]

Cuz a full trauma blast kills most trash and knocks away everything else

[gusty furnace]

which puts you over the 100% charge damage

[olive ember]

So a 2nd blast would just be

Kinda mid

[gusty furnace]

yeah, but the "knocks everything else away" would enter kill status

Also, ogryns

Like yeah, it wouldn't be amazing.

But it wouldn't be literally useless

[olive ember]

Also I’m not sure how the charge are calculated but I’m pretty sure the blasts generates by surge aren’t charged

[gusty furnace]

They are on Voidstrike

They just double ball at whatever your charge is

[safe crystal]

They are charged, but are not crits

[olive ember]

Ah that might be it

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the first voidstrike hit is a crit

the second ball is a normal "Whatever your charge was" damage ball

[olive ember]

But yeah we would have to see surge work on trauma to actually tell

No clue when that will happen kekw

[safe crystal]

Does trauma damage scale linearly with charge? It could also limit the peril you should start casting it

[olive ember]

Crit on trauma is so anemic if it weren’t for blazing spirit

I think a trauma crit does like what

50 extra damage?

[gusty furnace]

crit on everything not the laspistol is super anemic

[spice veldt]

+15% extra damage iirc

[olive ember]

Dunno @near wyvern halp thx

[spice veldt]

there's also the knife

[olive ember]

Surge staff crits are decent actually

[spice veldt]

but only on the lmb

[olive ember]

What about the best gun, revolver kekw

Are rmb crits on surge not good? I remember them being decent ish

[spice veldt]

crits being necessary to stagger a bulwark with the revolver is one of the funnier things about it

they're "decent" but not that great comparitively

certainly not worth sticking a crit chance perk on it unless you were using the LMB a lot

[olive ember]

How dare you

[spice veldt]

unlike the laspistol/knife where crit chance is a legitimate consideration

[olive ember]

My 5% crit

[languid tusk]

need party for private match for penance, anyone volunteer ?

[olive ember]

I’m away from home

AFH

[safe crystal]

What a coincidence, i just launched the game

Might as well, i guess

[languid tusk]

nice ! how do i invite you to party ? i never partied up before lol

[olive ember]

Add each other on steam

[safe crystal]

I'll send you my steam friend code in DMs

[languid tusk]

oke

[safe crystal]

Which penance specifically? Monstronum?

[languid tusk]

yes

[safe crystal]

Right, there was a update, lemme re-enable mods

VC?

[olive ember]

Imagine needing mods to play the game

I will play with constant peril sounds and like it

[gusty furnace]

should I

should. . .

Should I?

I hate this thing

but its the fastest and easiest way to do MM

[olive ember]

Lmao

I mean that’s like the only time I bring my ogryn past malice

That or for the funny meme but both involve using shield

[flat shadow]

do force sword power attacks count as warp attacks

trying to decide if i should use that first feat

[spice veldt]

ye

[olive ember]

Yes but that only rly matters for the illisi

[scarlet timber]

hey

experts

wahts the build

on dueling swords?

[naive sedge]

IDK. I think they're a weapon for extremely refined tastes

[olive ember]

Haha dueling swords

[scarlet timber]

uncanny strike?

[naive sedge]

whereas I'm super basic and use a slaughterer illisi

[olive ember]

I don’t even remember the dueling sword blessings

Much less what’s meta

You pretty much always just use the deimos whenever you would use a dueling sword

[scarlet timber]

if dueling swords

get reflector

they become good again

[olive ember]

Not rly the damage on them is kinda mid

Deimos is just the dueling sword with slightly less dodge, but you have infinite dodges, slaughterer, a heavy that can one shot mutants

[golden frigate]

and it glows in the dark

[scarlet timber]

they could do with headtaker yteah

[naive sedge]

I just looked up the dueling swords blessings

they're garbage

[olive ember]

Yes they are all Garbo

[naive sedge]

except they seem to have a nice version of rampage that scales up to 40% at IV

[olive ember]

I remember it was something like rampage uncanny but then I remember someone saying rampage only procs with push attacks so idek

[naive sedge]

So, kind of mid.

ouch

Ok, so even thats bad.

wow

[spice veldt]

since lights and heavies have at most 2 cleave

so you're only activating rampage against groaners (0.75 hitmass)

[olive ember]

Lmao

So what would be the meta blessing theoretically

Fucking shred/uncanny ?

[golden frigate]

i do remember seeing some dueling swords with shred uncanny being posted here recently

[naive sedge]

Sorry Simurgh. Remember to always use the weapon your heart tells you.

But maybe don't use it in Hi Int Damnation

[olive ember]

Or Damnation in general

If you know how to maximize a duelling sword potential it’s aight

Because move tech with it is insane

But otherwise it’s just mid at best

https://youtu.be/jTobaE0tOM4?feature=shared

[neon steppe]

Dueling sword mobility is unmatched, better dodges is more important than infinite dodges

[broken quail]

Does dodge distance increase speed/distance of slides? I never tested it

[spice veldt]

not strictly

i'm not going to say that one is better than the other, and it's not as though infinite dodges don't have their own advantage as well

[compact bluff]

still rampage since you really need the push attack to have any meaningful horde clear, and the push attack has 6 cleave.
other than that though its between shred or uncanny. there's riposte too... if you want a really dumb niche push attack setup....
i think it shows how desperate a weapon is when you actually consider riposte as a usable blessing though

[spice veldt]

and it's not like the dodges on the force swords are that short, especially when warp res is frequently the dump stat

and when it has a decently fast cooldown between each dodge

[gusty furnace]

This isn't true

that said

hoo boy are things mad dogshit

no single target damage, no horde damage

They really don't have a spot to fill at all

Like, this is okay

But its all single target explicitly. When you can just grab a deimos and one-tap mutants with the heavy stab

[spice veldt]

you don't get the guarantee of booking it out of an attack's range like with the duellies, but melee dodges do have the equivalent effect of i-frames as long as you're not that close (for most melee attacks), and there's no 0.85s downtime on this

and there's the mental benefit of being able to just completely ignore having to ever manage your dodges

[olive ember]

Also you kill stuff

[scarlet timber]

whats the buld

on ddueling swords anywway?

@gusty furnace

[gusty furnace]

shred

flak/maniac

other blessing doesn't matter

none of em are good

[olive ember]

I mean technically

rampage or uncanny kekw

rampage just means you gotta spam push attack

gotta capitalize on that 6 cleave as opposed to the 2 you normally get

[gusty furnace]

God I fucking love when literally everyone ignores shooters

What a shittastic meta Fatshark has developed

spam bolters everywhere

and nobody can kill shooters now because they're a gigantic pain in the ass to aim

[thorn cedar]

skissue

revolver gang rise up

[spice veldt]

ppsword gang rise up https://youtu.be/W5ZgaiQyzFE?list=PLSTfdgZJQDpF2YnzqGB96vq17A8Bkf89T&t=67

[olive ember]

just melee them

ez pz

[willow escarp]

pinning fire nerf PLZ

and maybe just like
remove sustained fire

[spice veldt]

eh, it reloads your weapon and gives some toughness, but that seems fairly reasonable

it's just unlimited ult extensions that are absolutely borked

as well as it being tacked on top of all the other things that vet's ult already gets

i wonder if they're going to bring the baseline up to the standard's of vet's ult (minus the ult extensions and unwavering focus) or down to the ults of the 3 other classes

[willow escarp]

yeah I don’t really think sustained fire is that good

but I also don’t think the bolter is that good either lol

obviously extremely good at what it does best… which is often of questionable value

[spice veldt]

without pinning fire?

with pinning fire, the weapon is certainly veery up there

it's an overtuned generalist, since you get to dumpster crusher/bulwark patrols in addition to killing specials with relative ease, as you'll get to 3-shot mutants (w/o +maniac) and one-shot flamers

[willow escarp]

don’t get me wrong, pinning fire bolter is OP

but I think it occupies a weird space where it’s overpowered by also overrated in its actual value to the team, at least on veteran

[thorn cedar]

i sorta agree

[willow escarp]

the ogryn patrols are dangerous but they can be managed by other classes just fine imo and usually I’d rather the vet not tunnel on blowing away every threat above 200lbs and help with the 20 shooters pinning us down

[thorn cedar]

it definitely blows up numbers on scoreboards for people who chase that specific high

[willow escarp]

obviously you can probably mitigate this with like, more vets lol

[spice veldt]

you can just melee ranged patrols though

[thorn cedar]

but personally i find it fucking awful to handle and clunky

[spice veldt]

the upside of the bolter is that it'll annihilate all elites and give you the leeway to just dive ranged patrols with zero discretion

i think that most players just suck at melee and try to use the ranged weapons as much as they can

which is fair

[thorn cedar]

on occasion ill see a veteran with actual self-control use a bolter and it's still a very powerful tool

[spice veldt]

but melee is also good and can compensate for the bolter's weaknesses in a reasonable way

[thorn cedar]

either way wont catch me with that shit im too busy reloading my revolver

[idle aurora]

Year 41000, speed loaders are considered a tech heresy

[spice veldt]

and ogryn patrols are pretty dangerous if they occur alongside special/horde waves

of course, neither specialists or hordes are dangerous on their own

[willow escarp]

yeah I definitely won’t argue against that

[thorn cedar]

all these A names

im so left out

[spice veldt]

but having a weapon that can deal with ogryn patrols and specials equally well is very appreciated

[spice veldt]

lmfao lmao lol

[gusty furnace]

dammit melk

Fucking REEEEEE

sure, sure, I could throw on slaughterer 4 and flak

but like. . . god dammit

[willow escarp]

you’ve been blessed

that’s your blazing spirit meme sword duh

[gusty furnace]

[willow escarp]

gg you won

[gusty furnace]

I already had one

It was ASS

God I fucking hate critical builds in this game

They're all so bad

[willow escarp]

yeah but it was pretty

yeah they really gotta like rethink or uh, do something to the whole crit build paradigm

or not, scrap it

[spice veldt]

i enjoyed the swoosh noises from the pre-fix bloodthirsty obscurus

[thorn cedar]

oh man i do kinda miss that

[willow escarp]

Is lame that there’s like… bleed builds and crit builds

and often entertwined

[gusty furnace]

Like, to be fair to fatshark

if slaughterer and headtaker were removed

The crit/bleed builds would have a place

because they'd be the only ways to actually buff damage on weapons

but right now? Holy fuck are they mad dogshit

[willow escarp]

maybe we’ll be surprised oct4

[spice veldt]

one of the remaining videos I have of the pre-fix bloodthirsty https://streamable.com/3qzwdo

[willow escarp]

can’t say I was ever super impressed with the similar mechanics in vt2 either

[gusty furnace]

sadge

[spice veldt]

titled "demonstration_of_forcesword" when obscurus was the only force sword 😔

and with the slow ass manual quelling back then

[gusty furnace]

as for this, I suppose it IS a straight upgrade over this one

[willow escarp]

wait wtf

[thorn cedar]

man original quell speed was aaaaasss

[willow escarp]

They changed the speed load blessing?

[idle aurora]

It would be a miracle if they just deliver the class rework and cross play on the exact date without nuking the servers for several days, that alone would be great

[thorn cedar]

nah just the text

its still what it used to be

[willow escarp]

Wha

[thorn cedar]

dont ask questions just kill heretics with it

[willow escarp]

So

What

It never had anything to do with sliding?

[thorn cedar]

no it still does

dont trust your lying eyes

[gusty furnace]

Are you talking about Powder Burn?

[spice veldt]

the first tick of quelling taking 500ms and then this interval decreasing as you held down your quell button; and we now have a constant 250ms between each tick of quelling

[willow escarp]

speedload

[gusty furnace]

I have no idea

I don't have it available on hand on anything to check

[willow escarp]

It now says “+ reload speed for x seconds after melee kill”

[thorn cedar]

Speedload now reads melee kill for some reason. It's still on slides. I dunno.

[willow escarp]

it used to say after sliding

[gusty furnace]

ah, actually I do

[spice veldt]

guess they accidentally bundled the new descriptions with this hotfix

[idle aurora]

If they would change it to melee kill it would be so much better

[gusty furnace]

Fatshark changed the text on Adhesive Charge too

[thorn cedar]

they're teasing us!!

[gusty furnace]

It "sticks to ogryns"

and yeah

[spice veldt]

reload speed on melee kill is actually pretty sweet

[gusty furnace]

I think they leaked some Oct.4 changes

[spice veldt]

more cross-weapon interactions

instead of weird shit like on slides

[willow escarp]

actual hilarious that they released a hotfix that apparently was expressly to fix descriptions and tooltips

[gusty furnace]

I'm 99% sure these changes were supposed to be made Oct. 4

[thorn cedar]

gonna be hard to unlearn the slides tho

[gusty furnace]

not today

[willow escarp]

and just broke descriptions a lot

[spice veldt]

jorts

[willow escarp]

excuse me

[gusty furnace]

But Fatshark Fatsharked all of the Fat of Sharks

and did the classic

Yeah, it says "Sticks to Monstrosities and Ogryns"

it does not, in fact, stick to ogryns

ergo: Oct. 4 leak

[willow escarp]

fuckin pog

if so

[gusty furnace]

So yeah, I'm all in on the "Blessing balance along with class changes"

for the Oct. 4 patch

not sure how indepth they're gonna go

[willow escarp]

dude

rumbler sticking to a reapers face

[gusty furnace]

Speedload/Adhesive Charge aren't super big changes

[willow escarp]

epic

[gusty furnace]

CRUSHER

[willow escarp]

I don’t get the speed load one personally

[gusty furnace]

that's the one you're forgetting about

Adhesive Charge+Shattering Impact will be super solid

[willow escarp]

wait wil it stick a bulwark shield

[gusty furnace]

with it sticking to crushers

[willow escarp]

I wonder if that will knock him down

Oooo shoot his feet tho

already kinda what I do usually but might be easier

[gusty furnace]

Alright, well, new shredder

I can dumpster the old one

And I will continue throwing plasteel away for the perfect Psyker shredder

[viral solstice]

actua lly its a huge nerf because it means it sticks to plogryn twice

[willow escarp]

I spent a lot for mine

[gusty furnace]

Reporter Voice

Sir Crab, with these new blessing leaks, are you allowed to approach them or is Fatshark still dangling the NDA over your head 🎙️

[willow escarp]

i don’t shoot plogryns if I’m ogryn

that’s fisticuffs time

[gusty furnace]

the ultimate psyker kit

melee for single targets

shooty bang bang for hordes

[thorn cedar]

that's how i do

[willow escarp]

dueling sword is so funny

[gusty furnace]

feats

You can't stop me. I am the garbage train

and I'm here to deliver garbage

[willow escarp]

it’s hilarious on assassination, you dodge the traitor captain’s attack and just end up completely behind him

[gusty furnace]

🚋

I did discover a problem with the Dueling Swords though

they attack so fast that the game doesn't register half your hits

my crosshair is clearly red

miss miss miss

Wonderful

[willow escarp]

wait

they also changed the character menu

It says talents

Probably this is old news

[idle aurora]

my fav is rampage blessing on ds, hit 3 enemies for 40% more damage, ah yes, poking stick for a single target, and hitting multiple guys

[spice veldt]

noooooo we have to use new terminology

[willow escarp]

wait wasn’t there a statement at some point that we would be getting something before oct 4

[gusty furnace]

#psyker-class message

Nope

This was from three days ago

So they changed "Feats" to "Talents" today

[willow escarp]

Yah now talents instead of feats

[gusty furnace]

Man Fatshark really fucked up this whole patch

[willow escarp]

loool

OR

[gusty furnace]

They really are just incapable of smooth patches

[willow escarp]

Strategic hype train building

[gusty furnace]

Now, I HAVE heard of strategic leaking

where devs will leak information intentionally

[willow escarp]

that said

[gusty furnace]

Through third party sources and pseudonyms

But its fairly rare

[willow escarp]

when it’s coupled with breaking half the string interpolation of blessings

probably just a fuckup

[gusty furnace]

But yeah.

I was gonna say after, "this is just classic fatshark fucking up yet another patch"

They're like. . . legally obligated to operate in the least smooth fashion I stg

[willow escarp]

but I can’t give them too much flak. been working for industry software vendors for years and

[gusty furnace]

I know that's not super fair to fatshark, but they've been in the game business for over 20 years

[willow escarp]

they’re all had many update fuckups of

[gusty furnace]

At SOME point you'd think they'd learn their lessons.

[willow escarp]

Much higher stakes

[gusty furnace]

I guess I'm just used to being held to a stupidly exacting standard in all of my jobs.

[willow escarp]

I mean literal billion dollar companies do it all the time tbf

[gusty furnace]

From clothes salesman to stocker.

You fuck up once and you're fired.

Probably can't do that with tech because there's just not enough people to fuel that kind of turn around

[gusty furnace]

Like, I've been working a cash register for nearly a decade at this point

and I've had ONE bad drawer

ONE

in a decade

It'd be fucking astonishing if a developer had that kind of track record

[willow escarp]

my clients pay literally six figures per year for our software and sometimes (almost always) we break stuff on a patch

And sometimes

[gusty furnace]

As in, a drawer that comes in under the total expected cash.

[willow escarp]

We’ll bill you to fix it

[gusty furnace]

Turns out, my manager was stealing.

[willow escarp]

lol

[gusty furnace]

So the one fuck-up under "my" drawer wasn't even my fault.

Thieves are gonna theft

I added another kit of garbage to my psyker

to really make randoms mad

[viral solstice]

Alas I think we must follow the rules until catfish disarms the bomb collars

[gusty furnace]

We look forward to further correspondance with you once the bomb collars have been removed, Sir Crab. 🎙️

[viral solstice]

Every single thing people like: I made that happen. Every single thing people dislike: fuckin fatshark let me down bro they didn't listen to me bro

[gusty furnace]

I just get confused

which then turns into anger, which isn't super fair.

I just don't really understand the development process for this game. It feels so. . . disconnected. . . from the reality I'm facing every time I play it.

[viral solstice]

I think broadly what's coming is super cool but I think people really arent ready for the clawbringer meta

[gusty furnace]

And at a certain point, it just feels like forced incompetence.

Like this whole patch.

This exact bug has happened three or four times already.

How do you not plan for that when pushing further updates? How does it keep fucking happening.

[viral solstice]

[gusty furnace]

I can't wait to see all the fucked up broken shit on Oct. 4. I'll be laughcrying

[lyric burrow]

Your just gonna make yourself mad 😭

[viral solstice]

well you have something else to look forward to

you can see if my one goal in life - save my 10% crit damage agri ix - was accomplished

[gusty furnace]

I do wish crit damage buffs were applied to the whole pool of crit damage

that'd automatically bring a bunch of crit builds into the tier of "Viable"

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its only for zealot really

[gusty furnace]

Like, 10% elite damage is okay because it applies to the whole pool for damage

But 10% crit damage is usually 10% of 50

which is functionally nothing

[spice veldt]

i suppose that we can expect a fix to crit/weakspot damage

woohoo

[lyric burrow]

How much damage do crits add anyway

[gusty furnace]

Depends on the weapon

[lyric burrow]

I just know it increases cleave

[gusty furnace]

Like, 10 damage on the shredder autopistol

And then you have stuff like the laspistol

where it nearly whatever 5-tuples your damage

[thorn cedar]

crit doesnt affect cleave value

[gusty furnace]

sep is seven

I dunno 5 or 6

like, septuple is it multiplies your damage by 7

[lyric burrow]

I thought crit affected cleave

[gusty furnace]

It does not

literally only damage

[thorn cedar]

which is where the misconception comes from

[lyric burrow]

Must be blessings that can give it more cleave then

[thorn cedar]

yea, devastating strike

[gusty furnace]

So, the SAP does 70 unarmored damage

A critical hit is 80 damage

10% crit damage means that you do 10% of 10 damage

80-70=10

[lyric burrow]

Or im just insane

[gusty furnace]

10 x 0.1=1

so a 10% damage buff to critical hits on SAP makes you go from 80 damage to 81

its so fucking obtuse and bad that its amazing it ever made it through internal developer testing

[lyric burrow]

I won't lie

It probably wasnt tested

[gusty furnace]

No

see

[lyric burrow]

Weakspot has the same issue

[gusty furnace]

that's how it works in VT and VT2 also

So its literally been this way for a decade

Whoever the lead combat dev is absolutely fucking hates critical damage in video games

there's no other reasonable explanation to why its only lip service to critical hits as a mechanic

Only the laspistol has an acceptable critical damage modifier

A normal unarmored hit is ~120 damage, and a critical unarmored hit is ~400

so 10% critical damage is

400-120 = 280

280 x 0.1 = 28

280 + 28 = 308

Not really stellar, but at least the critical hits alone are worth something building for, even if the damage perk is not

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it is a crit monster

[waxen shell]

i can only get one

[lyric burrow]

Probs the flamer

Hammer damage is a little low for me

[waxen shell]

yes?

[lyric burrow]

I personally would do blaze away/overpressure since those are best iirc but i think fan the flames is good too

Flak for perk

[autumn smelt]

4 bombers and a blessed dog pack spawn

take 2 people out

horde and a beast spawn

take the other guy out

then i finally manage to clutch a game hard

we didnt even beat the maelstrom but god damn do i feel good

[gilded radish]

Mama mia why the screen so bright

Got your self a mini star in your room

[waxen shell]

weird graphics things with sharex i guess dont know why

[true lake]

dont bother with quickflame blessing

other than that no idea, i never played zealot

as for the modifier stats, you would most likely want stats similar to the purgatus staff, focus on getting high damage cloud radius and burn as those are your main things that determine damage and crowd control

[atomic zephyr]

quickflame is not the worst blessing, it helps when you are full empty

[true lake]

its not the worst but from what i assume there are probably better blessings that help chew through hordes quicker

blaze away looks pretty good

[atomic zephyr]

overpressure is good

[true lake]

just make sure your perks and blessings help with hordes because thats what that weapon is used for

[spice veldt]

well, human-sized elites and bosses as well
The flamer is going to make quick of any horde anyways

[true lake]

eh, i wouldnt use a flamer on a boss

idk if flamer has the same thing that purgatus has where you can quickly stun elites with it, that saves me often when trappers come up

but it doesnt do enough damage itself to use for bosses imo

[thorn cedar]

id flame bosses

well, not even hypothetically. i do flame bosses

the trick is to not just hold down right click the entire time

only for an intitial short burst and then fan them flames

[lyric burrow]

Doesnt melt bosses like it used to but unless your using hammer i think its fine

[thorn cedar]

It's a lot of sustained dps for cheap

Again, assuming you aren't just hosing it

[atomic zephyr]

i haven't played my flamer since prior to reblessing. My flamer for unyielding just torched all bosses.

[gusty furnace]

Blaze Away and Overpressure are in a weird spot on Flamer

You only need 4-6 ammo to kill an infinite mass of poxwalkers between 0 and 21 meters

Same for groaners

BA/OP really only come into play against bosses

and ideally you're running like, Thunderhammer, with the Flamer