psyker-class

[upper galleon]

seems you are trying to play around WaR

and not, your staffs

it's a BB build that you could technically run with any staff or even a gun

[fresh reef]

Fair point

But I do run it specifically on blazing trauma, and it works

[upper galleon]

well, if you have to BB for charges

[fresh reef]

I can check the breakpoints again in like, 5ish hours. Highly likely I could be wrong

[upper galleon]

you are going to bb more

[cinder moon]

i use this build with my autopistol gunker

it's fun

[fresh reef]

I really gotta start prefacing my builds with "I know this is stupid but", don't I?

[cinder moon]

life is good because it is varied

[fresh reef]

True

[olive ember]

No only meta build

Aka only surge staff

You’re not allowed to use anything else smh

[cinder moon]

but really, it's a fun build with pinning fire/blaze away autopistol

(mixed) horde? just F and magdump
specials/elites/monstrosities? just F and magdump

spend most of the time keeping WCs up by BBing random trash and all the patrol elites

[fresh reef]

You WILL stun the mutant
You WILL do nothing but cc
You WILL have a god complex about clearing 2 poxwalkers at a time with your staff
You WILL eat the corpse starch

[olive ember]

SURGE STAFF BEST STAFF

[fresh reef]

nuh uh

[olive ember]

Yuh uh

[fresh reef]

fuck

I've been defeated

[olive ember]

SURGE STAFF SUPREMACY

[fresh reef]

I like the surge staff when someone else is using it

Cannot stand using it myself

[fossil venture]

i aggree with surge staff supremacy but what is the build? i've been told here that i'm supposed to try and get some soulblaze in there, but i'm not really confident enough in my psyker knowledge yet

[olive ember]

Lol please don’t use soulblaze with surge staff

That’s like

Troll as shit

[fresh reef]

31x112
I think

[olive ember]

3-1-2-1-3-3

Or 3-2-1-1-1-3

But first one is better imo

[olive ember]

That’s a great purge staff build idk why the fk anyone would use that for surge staff

[fresh reef]

@olive ember I'm assuming you run Illisi?

[olive ember]

Illisi or obscures yes

[fresh reef]

Again, I don't run surge lul. I don't think I even have a yellow one in my inventory

[olive ember]

SMH

I can’t believe it

[fresh reef]

I've seen plenty of surge psykers run AB though

They seem to do fine

[olive ember]

It’s so fucking bad lmao

[fresh reef]

Elaborate

[olive ember]

I mean the premise is that you use AB to supplement your horde clear

[fossil venture]

yeah but illisi IS your horde clear

no?

[olive ember]

Except you have zero fucking charge gen from flames except for AB itself

And your communion is an rng component that doesn’t actually generate enough charges to supplement AB

[fresh reef]

Ah, so less of an killing effectiveness issue and more a time efficiency issue

[olive ember]

It’s also why I don’t even like AB with autopistol tbh but the autopistol crutches on pinning fire buffing the burn so you only need 4 stack burn

[fresh reef]

Makes sense

[olive ember]

So even autopistol AB builds have better charge gen because you can run communion + flayer

[fossil venture]

so uhm, imma ask the stupid question, but why not take the 6 charges perk and the one that makes you always generate 2 at the same time? that way you have basicaly permanent 24% damage, and you can place 2 ults in quick succesion if you're overwhelmed

[fresh reef]

Generally speaking you just get more value out of the other two options

Quicken isn't bad, but it is the worst

[olive ember]

Quicken is kinds a meme pick that’s only used if you want to like

Super melee psyker

[plucky flax]

I run 312133 with surge + illisi.

[olive ember]

Quicken gets rid of your warp charges so there’s no real way to actually gen your charges

It’s the same issue as AB except AB gives you a 10% chance to gen charges against enemies you burn

it’s why you use AB with staffs that normally burn enemies such as purge staff or blazing spirit trauma

[fossil venture]

yeah but are we really spaming ult that much? i've only been playing damnation, so no auric yet, it doesn't feel that bad

[fresh reef]

I feel like you put a lot more emphasis on charge generation than is necessary @olive ember

[olive ember]

I mean the reason for quicken is that it gives you the ability to spam ult multiple times in a row

[fresh reef]

Especially on quicken, where it takes literally 9 seconds to go from 0 to 6

[olive ember]

oh right quicken made charge gen double now

[fresh reef]

Yuppers

[olive ember]

I completely forgot about that lmao

[fossil venture]

yeah that's kind of a big deal

[fresh reef]

It's still a meme pick but like

Yk

[fossil venture]

so it's kinetic barrage over anithing else with the surge staff?

[olive ember]

Even so it’s not generally worth the skill because every time you ult you spend your charges and you should be ulting kinda often?

KB barrage is nice because it supplements your BB damage, and it’s the only skill that doesn’t expend your warp charges

Surge staff is like

[fossil venture]

surge staff is like?

come on don't leave me hangin like that

[olive ember]

Well none of the 30 traits actually benefit it that much

Quicken is a meme because it gets rid of your charges every time you ult and all it gives is CD

[fossil venture]

also what's the dump stat on surge?

[olive ember]

AB isn’t that good because you don’t gen enough charges to use well

[olive ember]

So KB becomes the default choice

[fossil venture]

need help here choosing wich one to try and re bless/re perk

[fossil venture]

alright, makes sense

[cinder moon]

warp resistance, just equip 3 +wound curios 😂

[olive ember]

I’m ngl stat spread on surge staff is rly meh

If I had to choose probably charge rate but eh

[fossil venture]

true psykers kill with their head

[olive ember]

But you could take a grey surge staff from lvl 1 and it would still work well up to like Damnation

Blessings for surge staff are warp flurry + warp nexus

For perks you got some flexibility you can choose 2 from flak, maniac, unarmoured, crit chance

[willow escarp]

quicken might be great in patch 13

[cinder moon]

just wait til post rework and you don't need a staff to go unlimited-power-mode

[fossil venture]

wait, do you just hold right click and spam left click or smth, why is charge time not important

or LESS important

[olive ember]

You can spam it yes

[fresh reef]

@olive ember would you agree that surge is more a utility pick than an actual weapon?

Like I take mk5 dueling sword because its a boon for blocks and dodges, but it isn't great as an actual weapon beyond oneshotting the occasional flamer

[olive ember]

Except against like mutants

[fossil venture]

it doesn't stun harder if you hold it

[willow escarp]

quicken and kinetic barrage. Endless BB spam

[fossil venture]

?

[olive ember]

Nope just damage

[fossil venture]

wait really

[cinder moon]

first two attacks you use low charge, then you go full charge because nexus and flurry are proc'd

[olive ember]

Well yeah

[fossil venture]

i've been fucking this up so hard then

that explains a lot

[olive ember]

The only difference is like maybe mutants? Which are kinda weird and jank with how they get stunned

But otherwise you only rly charge to do damage

So like if you want to kill mauler or crusher packs you charge the staff

[fresh reef]

ie, you have to hit them with the full "duration" of the attack

[idle aurora]

I think only mutants need it be at like 50% charge, no? Because i saw them give 0 fucks when i spammed it

[olive ember]

^^ yeah and sometimes an uncharged attack just doesnt count as the full animation/duration or wte it’s kinda weird

So I half charge against mutants to be safe

Tho once they are stopped you can just spam it to stun em

[fossil venture]

yeah i've felt that need to charge against mutants, but i thought it just meant you stunned harder everything by charging it

[olive ember]

To my knowledge not rly

There is like some jank with animation canceling where you can deal damage more quickly if you animation cancel, but the stun gets diminished

[fossil venture]

do warp nexus/flurry exist as level 4 blessings

[olive ember]

Yes

[fossil venture]

cause i've only found them level 3 after like, 50 staffs

[olive ember]

It’s complete rng yeah

[fresh reef]

how the fuck did that get corrected to Ted?

[olive ember]

I just spent like 10k plasteel the other day trying to grab flurry for my surge staff

[fossil venture]

kinda feel like i'm on vetteran looking for power cycler again

[idle aurora]

There is only 3 lvl4 blessings on surge, which makes it kinda hard to brick, lol

[olive ember]

I typed yed by accident which got autocorrected to Ted

[fresh reef]

Ah yed, makes sense

[idle aurora]

If you have cash/mats just buy a bunch of greys and spam at hadron

[fossil venture]

yes that's the issu

i haven't played that much, so i'm not stacked on ressources yet

gotta get back to the grind

[cinder moon]

i only just decided to level psyker and vet, so i've been poor

[fresh reef]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/100

[fossil venture]

same thing with psyker, been playing vet since release but finaly got psyker to 30 2 days ago

[olive ember]

Yeah just run purge or surge on Damnation since those two staffs don’t need good stats and good blessings to be good

Trauma is annoying to get one with rly decent stats and blessings and voidstrike is a meme

[cinder moon]

even deciding to just focus on a couple weapons for builds and rolls has been terrible for my wallet

[fossil venture]

so voidstrike truly is useless? sadge

[olive ember]

It’s

[golden frigate]

blazing voidstrike with quicken for ininterrupted 2mins cancel spam is top tier wdym

[olive ember]

Well I’m terms of usefulness it’s not bad

It’s just mid af comparatively and

Worse than every other staff you can bring

[cinder moon]

trauma is underrated

[olive ember]

Trauma has been considered meta for like half a year now lol

[hollow depot]

the rifthaven mk 2 purgatus

[golden frigate]

it honestly depends, it can be better than a purge if you play a map open enough and get lots of gunner spawns

[olive ember]

I’d say try something like 3/1/1/1/1/2

There’s some variations to that but that’s like the basic bitch purge staff build

[olive ember]

Autopistol at that point

But basically voidstrike is considered the worst because it’s damage is mid and it has a fucking cleave limit

Of 6

[golden frigate]

just cancel spam

[olive ember]

Lmao

But the voidstrikes strength are it’s ranged horde clear and low peril

[hollow depot]

this 3 1 1 1 1 2 thing for the perks?

[broken quail]

I don't bother with the flame ult on purge, KB is an easier way to clear peril without canceling charged while also boosting brain burst for medium range that purge lacks

[golden frigate]

your autocorrect should do a comedy routine, just sayin

[hollow depot]

or rather, class perks

[olive ember]

Feats

[hollow depot]

yeah those

[olive ember]

So the class tree thing

[olive ember]

Idk wtf it’s doin ngl

[golden frigate]

entertaining to me, so please continue

[supple pike]

i cant play my psyker

[golden frigate]

nobody in here can, we just mire vets dw

[supple pike]

wow

[olive ember]

But basically voidstrikes had two strengths which is it’s ranged aoe clear and low peril gain

And peril gain is basically a non issue since like march cuz they buffed quell speeds

And it’s AOE clear turns out to not even be that good cuz cleave limit of 6

[golden frigate]

sound effects too tho, the pews are just so good

[hollow depot]

thanks fella, appreciate it

[golden frigate]

also, kind of a wide and fast stagger

[olive ember]

You mean the explosions that breaks my ear the moment it explodes

[golden frigate]

if you spam it that is

yeah doesnt it just sound glorious

[olive ember]

Eh a trauma has even better stagger is the problem

[golden frigate]

takes more time

[olive ember]

Not rly

[hollow depot]

oh also slurpee, do you know what the best perks/blessings for that staff are

[olive ember]

For purge staff blessings are flurry + nexus

[golden frigate]

eh, i will test it in a sec but i think you can dish out a couple right clicks cancels in the time it takes a trauma to do a quick charge

[olive ember]

Perks are flak + maniac/unyielding/crit chance imo

[olive ember]

I mean are you full charging trauma? Cuz you can spam it and it will still knock everything away in a pretty big aoe

[golden frigate]

i was talking about a scenario in which you need a widew and fast stagger, trauma wouldnt be really up to par there

ofc if you can charge it trauma stomps the puny pews of voidstrike

[olive ember]

No I’m pretty sure trauma creates space rly well in tight situations

Lemme see if I can find another guys clips

[golden frigate]

but when you or a teammate are about to get got and have only the time to react a couple void cancels do actually a lot

[fresh reef]

Counterpoint, Purgatus M1 spam

[golden frigate]

rng stagger

[fresh reef]

It isn't rng what

[olive ember]

It’s kinda rng with how stagger res builds up

Like trying to m1 purge stagger a burster is hit or miss lmao

[fresh reef]

Stuns attacking ragers 100% of the time with a single M1 in my experience

[hollow depot]

@olive ember what about the blaze sword my friend uses?

whats best on that

[olive ember]

With purge staff you have options

[gusty furnace]

Blaze. . . Sword?

[fresh reef]

That one's iffy just on how Bursters work with taking damage and stagger

[olive ember]

You can use basically any of the force sword

[gusty furnace]

Like a force sword that uses blazing spirits or whatever?

Don't use the illisi if you're using that build

It kills so fast it gets 0 use out of Blaze

[olive ember]

I’m psure he’s just referring to the name

[gusty furnace]

Oh

[olive ember]

They are considered blaze force swords

[gusty furnace]

Not calling them force swords

[olive ember]

I am pretty sure I’ve had ragers run through my m1 on purge before

[hollow grove]

What are the chances that FS reintroduce that bug that allowed Deflector to also block ranged dmg while reviving?

[olive ember]

Especially when they super armor

[olive ember]

Low but we can cope

[hollow grove]

though on another note, we are getting a dome shield, nvm then.

[olive ember]

Psykers are getting a dome shield

Yeah

[gusty furnace]

its funnyt

I hated dome shield in Divinity Original Sin 2

[golden frigate]

man dont let us dream

[gusty furnace]

I'll probably hate it here too

especially if its a "Hold to maintain" ability

[olive ember]

I doubt that but

Who knows I suppose

[gusty furnace]

if its linked to F

[fresh reef]

The thing with purg's M1 is that it has multiple hitboxes that the stagger is split between

[gusty furnace]

and you just press F
and poof dome

maybe

[fresh reef]

ie, if you're strafing, its much harder to apply the full stagger

[hollow grove]

hope the dome actually lasts a few seconds and not get shredded by shooters

[olive ember]

If it’s hold to maintain it have to have something else to along with the dome for it to even be close to meta

But given the state of ogryn slab shield

I would truly be amazed if they made psyker dome a hold to maintain thing

[gusty furnace]

Warp Damage buff to all projectiles passing through it - friendly only, of course

and I could see that being reasonable

[fresh reef]

Isn't the dome an upgrade to a flat shield?

Pretty sure they mentioned that in one of the articles

[hollow grove]

ngl im kinda interested in seeing how the shield will work, like stacking dome shields etc.

[olive ember]

Oh right they did say that

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, even deflector has issues with oblique angles

much like ogryn shield

so dome, in that aspect, gud

[olive ember]

Tbh I’m not that interested in psyker abilities weirdly enough

I’m most excited for zealot

[gusty furnace]

Martyrdom buffs WHEN

THP WHEN

LET ME THROW MY HP AWAY FOR BUFFS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER WHEN

[fresh reef]

Throwing knife blitz is a valid reason for unreasonable amounts of hype

[olive ember]

I mean they got a assassin zealot and like a buff healer or support type zealot so

What are the ogryn subclasses again? There’s base ogryn and gun lugger and wats the third option

[fresh reef]

The minute the update comes out is when I finally take my zealot from 29 to 30

[hollow grove]

not sure, but an ogryn body guard or bullgryn type thing perhaps

[fresh reef]

99% sure that hasn't been discussed yet

[gusty furnace]

Oh yeah, I got fatsharked again 😦

[olive ember]

Wait then wats skull breaker supposed be archetype wise

I thought skull breaker was the melee option

[olive ember]

Isn’t that meta

[plucky flax]

No + crit chance perk so not quite.

[gusty furnace]

I wanted unarmored instead of infested

[olive ember]

Oh true

[gusty furnace]

Don't get me wrong

trauma staff is kinda poopy against infested

So that helps

but I'd rather hit elites more efficiently

than poxwalkers

[olive ember]

You’ll show those poxhounds what’s up atleast lmao

[gusty furnace]

TRUEEEEE

[plucky flax]

Eh crit chance is bis perk for blaze trauma, then flak.

[gusty furnace]

I don't see that being true at all

especially since Warp nexus gets you to 1 in 3

at 80% peril

it'll proc soulblaze reliably enough to turn whole rooms blue without critchance

[olive ember]

5% crit is

It’s aight

Idk if it’s meta tbh

[plucky flax]

We did the maths just @ pygex.

[olive ember]

Someone else can do the math

Oh where is the math

[plucky flax]

He wrote a whole essay.

[plucky flax]

You can search his name or ping him I don't dare.

[gusty furnace]

sorry, 1 in 4.

[plucky flax]

[gusty furnace]

25% crit chance at 80% peril

Doesn't change the reality though. Consistent enough to turn whole rooms blue.

There's no reason to try and push that closer to 33% for 1 in 3 attacks

[olive ember]

#psyker-class message

🤔

That’s a lot of words

Prob gonna read it when I get back home

[plucky flax]

It's good read and true.

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, my point still stands.

25% unarmored>5% crit

because chaff melting to fire is irrelevant

[plucky flax]

Erm not on blaze trauma.

[gusty furnace]

They'll be dead long before the damage actually gets to ramp up from Soulblaze stacks

If enemies all had 1500+ HP sure

But they float from 200-4000

[plucky flax]

That's what the crit is for.

[gusty furnace]

and most adds float between 200 and 400

[plucky flax]

It's for harder enemies.

[gusty furnace]

That you just BB instead

Trauma staff on a rager isn't really meaningful

Or god forbid a mutant

[plucky flax]

Why bb during a big ass horde with elites/ogryns mix?

[gusty furnace]

Because I can dodge backwards infinitely while quelling peril with my force sword

so I can focus on BBing the elites

while my team clears out the chaff

[plucky flax]

Or you trauma the elites lol and stagger + kill them.

And kill all the chaff too.

[olive ember]

I haven’t read it but did pygex factor in that having +flak also affects burn applied by AB while crit doesn’t rly do anything for that

Because I know that was a fairly big thing for why you run flak on purge

[fresh panther]

When I play trauma psyker I just imagine I'm yelling at heretics to get down on the floor like it's payday

[fresh reef]

Or you can just do both with Wrack and Ruin #notsponsored

[olive ember]

Please don’t dear god

[fresh reef]

Wrack and Ruin is good and I will die on this fucking hill

[cinder moon]

i like lighting entire rooms on fire from like 150m away

[golden frigate]

I unironically run blazing void + wildfire for this

[thorn cedar]

Wrack is good, just sad that it competes with two other ridiculously top tier feats.

[fresh reef]

People still use Inner Tranquility?

Like, Warp Unleashed I'm not arguing is absolutely godly and is better than Wrack and Ruin generally speaking

But Inner Tranquility and "ridiculously top tier" do not belong in the same sentence

[olive ember]

Inner tranq is still used specifically for flurry trauma

And it used to be the best

[fresh reef]

The good ol days

[olive ember]

I still remember the launch period when BB’ing past like 85% peril would blow you up

And there was no animation so you would just instant down without warning

[fresh reef]

Memba when Trauma generated 50% peril with a single cast? I memba

[olive ember]

Lmao

Trauma was literally unusable until march

[nimble abyss]

Any 1 up for malleus monstronum?

[olive ember]

And then suddenly it went from unusable to meta as shit

I’m outside so can’t help w/ that rip

[analog agate]

Starting with a trauma in the shitty trauma days didn’t help. I was turned off immediately and didn’t return to it until well after the buff

[fresh reef]

I used it pre buff, and I got a really good clutch once on a hi intensity Damnation mission

That's about my only fond memory of the staff at those times

Also back when people thought Warp Absorption was bad

[olive ember]

I mean it was bad

It got buffed

[thorn cedar]

Inner Tranq is hella strong. It's not a 'literal' DPS change but it's something like a mag-size increase for a gun, right.

[olive ember]

And then the illisi came out

[thorn cedar]

The thing is that Perils is so generous already for quell and overheat that you don't 'NEED' it, really.

[fresh reef]

Past me is huffing copium rn trying to defend it

Did they change Essence Harvest since launch?

[olive ember]

Nope

[thorn cedar]

dont think so no

[olive ember]

They nerfed it from CBT tho

It used to be 50% per Warp charge back in the CBT

Got changed to 30 at launch and yeah

[fresh reef]

If they made the buff you get from it stack, that'd be a sufficient buff I think

And then maybe knocked it down to 25% per charge gain but that remains to be seen

[olive ember]

Meanwhile vets have a 50% stacking toughness gen

[fresh reef]

No no that's okay because Vets have bad stamina regen

[olive ember]

Lmao

[near crow]

Bold of you to assume Vets know how to block

[golden frigate]

stamina is for sprinting only

[gusty furnace]

tell my brain that

hurdur right click go boom

and then I, in turn, go boom

[keen harbor]

I have these two, what should I change on them?

[olive ember]

Precog is a literal meme of a blessing

And neither of your force swords have slaughterer

I’m ngl

1st sword is bricked beyond saving, both perks and both blessings suck

2nd sword is also bricked but you can get a semi decent weapon if you change one of the blessings for slaughterer and swap one of the perks to maniacs or wte

[keen harbor]

okay thanks

[gusty furnace]

isn't this crafting system so fun and engaging

Absolutely all the choices all the time

its so worthwhile right

[keen harbor]

fun and enraging 😄

[olive ember]

Haha it’s my favorite 😄

[gusty furnace]

Aint it just grand

[thorn cedar]

Honestly most of the frustration would evaporate if people didn't immediately monkey brain at seeing a 370+ and slam the consecrate button to orange.

Even after the changes the approach is the same: three bad perks/blessings, stop.

[gusty furnace]

so fun and engaging

[gusty furnace]

If I haven't completed a sticker book I slam to gold

At some point Fatshark is going to readjust blessings

[keen harbor]

I have these two to fall back on

[gusty furnace]

so completing sticker books isn't a total waste of time to me

[thorn cedar]

That's an expensive way to do it but it sure is a way, yeah.

Right now with Plasteel bug it's pretty whatevs

[gusty furnace]

I mean, its mostly just egregious on blessings that are rare for no reason

like Surge

[olive ember]

Alright you aren’t going to like what I’m about to say

[gusty furnace]

Power Cycler 4 being rare is fine I guess

[thorn cedar]

I haven't dipped below 40k in weeks and I must have spent 7mil ordos

[olive ember]

But 2nd illisi both blessings are bad

And 1st illisi blazing spirit is bad on illisi

[gusty furnace]

yeah both swords are bad

but what are you gonna do

And granted

they're only bad compared to meta options

A slaughterer Illisi is still absolutely nuts

You don't really need the perks or second blessing if you lean into funny blue slash

[olive ember]

Oh yeah he’s good as long as he has slaughterer on it but it’s still a big rip

I think I’m still running 360 weapons cuz I can’t be assed to engage with this crafting system

[gusty furnace]

I did get lucky on my psyker swords though

I don't need to worry about upgrading any of them

The upgrades I will get out of them just won't be noticeable enough for me to want waste another 40k plasteel and 10 million dockets

obscurus buffs when

bad moveset, bad damage, bad activation

What a terrible, terrible weapon

[olive ember]

It was actually a good weapon until they decided

“Hey let’s release the deimos and the illisi”

[gusty furnace]

That's what happened to the Krourk Stubber

They released the Gorgonum

and it completely outclasses the other two stubbers so badly its not even funny

Fatshark's mark system is objectively a failure

that literally cannot be fixed

because it always going to breed "Well, this mark is just outright better than the others so whats the point in exploring the weapon options"

[upper galleon]

I think rippers are a good example of marks

and stuff like ironhelm, stubbers and las rifles are a failure

[olive ember]

Force swords would be decent if you only look at deimos and illisi

[upper galleon]

and like, it may be a failure but there is room for improvement and niche marks

[willow escarp]

yeah rippers show it can work

mk2 needs a little love and then clubs would be good too

rippers the best example tho, all 3 have distinct feels and use cases and are all very good. which one is best imo is really situational

[lunar hollow]

i mean broadly u have 3 types of mks. the ones where the guns are all made to have relative strengths and weaknesses via mechanical differentiation (rippers, to a less extent hswords, clubs), ones where the main difference is basically stats that are balanced in a decent way (helbores, headhunter autoguns if you don't count/when they fix agri), and then all the other mks where they fucked the execution of it

taxes are maybe the one exception in that the way they fucked it up imo is making them all feel too similar to each other

and then u can subdivide fucked up execution of the mks system into: released in a bad state vs brought new additions to the weapon family that outclassed the original

(stubbers, force swords, shotguns)

ideally there'd probably be a healthy mix of group 1 and 2, so some weapon families are like the ripper or clubs where they have the same base concept and then have their own sort of specializations, and then some where it's kinda just a matter of numbers

[gusty furnace]

The problem arises that you can't differentiate regular guns

Unless Fatshark goes all in on DPS

and raise the firing rate cap on single shot weapons from ~6 clicks a second to ~15

And even then, average cps is probably down in the 3s and 4s, so that doesn't do anything for people anyway.

[upper galleon]

average dps matching

or different quirks/firing modes

[lunar hollow]

i mean like the problem with the weaker iags/brautos is straight up they have less damage per ammo counts iirc

[upper galleon]

yee

[lunar hollow]

u get shafted by the fact fatshark didnt do the math very well

[gusty furnace]

That and the Colomnus/Graia IAGs are balanced around headshot DPS

[lunar hollow]

if u start fixing that problem you can then bring in the other relative stuff like differentiating gunfeel like they tried to do with the iags (but again, ur just doing less damage)

[gusty furnace]

agrippina too, but it has good enough body DPS that it doesn't matter too much

[spice veldt]

they can always tweak the inaccuracy/recoil of the columnus/graia

[gusty furnace]

High rate of fire, incredibly ass recoil, balanced around headshot dps

[spice veldt]

i do think that the slower firing weapons will win most of the time if everything else is equal

[gusty furnace]

It just makes them objectively worse picks than the agrip

[lunar hollow]

i really do not understand why the infantry autogun is the low ammo precision weapon

[spice veldt]

but that's just the nature of it

[gusty furnace]

bullets heavy

[lunar hollow]

vs the headhunter having shittier weakspot scaling and more ammo

[gusty furnace]

energy battery not

[spice veldt]

some marks are going to be better, but the difference between each mark doesn't have to be the way that they are currently

[gusty furnace]

Oh, I see. Comparing Headhunters to IAGs

Yeah, that's the other thing

The problem though is:

Brauto vs IAG vs HH

Differentiating all three families, let alone all 9 marks in those families, is an effort in futility

Fatshark straight up forgot to do anything special on the Colomnus/Agrip Brace

it just gives you worse recoil for no benefit of raised DPS

[lunar hollow]

there's some weird design choices for the brautos

should probably go back to the drawing board for the non-agri ones

the headhunters get away with the main difference being ur shots fired per mouse click which mostly works for the vraks 7 and 3 but they fucked up the agri hh through vile swedish sourcery

[gusty furnace]

I mean, realistically speaking, Fatshark just needs to go back to the drawing board, straight up, for every single "human" gun in the game.

Bolter aside

Bolter just needs pinning fire dumpstered on

[lunar hollow]

i think the helbores are mostly fine. the 3 is perhaps a bit niche compared to the other 2 but relatively speaking the guns do not have nearly as big of a gap in performance as like, an agri vs a graia iag

[gusty furnace]

Ogryn, in this case, does not count for human

[lunar hollow]

infantry lasguns/brauto/iag have varying degrees of conceptually stupid distinctions

[spice veldt]

simple numerical tweaks would be good enough as a mild fix to bring them closer

[gusty furnace]

I still think the lasguns taking up 3 ammo per shot is. . . not good.

[spice veldt]

it's not like anything drastic has to be done for those weapons where it's some design issue

[gusty furnace]

Conceptually its fine, but it makes it impossible for lay-people to actually see at a glance what damage they're doing/allowed to do per ammo

[lunar hollow]

the iags are pretty interesting and i think the most easily fixable. since those can have easier/harder to control recoil patterns/differing fire rates/ammo etc

brautos need the brace to actually do something, for all of them

[gusty furnace]

Graia doubles its rate of fire

[lunar hollow]

and lasguns idk. the non-xii variants make my hand hurt idk why you'd use them

[gusty furnace]

when its braced

It literally gains 2x the DPS for bracing

[lunar hollow]

evidently that upside isn't enough

[gusty furnace]

So that's neat

[lunar hollow]

since nobody uses it

[gusty furnace]

Well, it has the worst damage per ammo

[lunar hollow]

true

[gusty furnace]

its like. . . 50

[lunar hollow]

the graias both get shifted

[gusty furnace]

on flak

[upper galleon]

gonna be honest once i got full auto mod

i enjoyed vraks 7 HH more than the agri IAG

[gusty furnace]

If they doubled the ammo count on the graia brauto, it'd be pretty strong.

If they gave it 50% more, it'd be okay.

[lunar hollow]

one of these days

theyll fix the achlys having shittier damage profiles on top of a worse moveset

(for caxes)

[gusty furnace]

achlys axe makes me laugh

[lunar hollow]

that weapon is so sad

[gusty furnace]

It takes 10 minutes in the meat grinder to see how fucking unuseable it is

Not even

like 2 or 3

and Fatshark couldn't even be assed to do that minimal amount of testing on it

[lunar hollow]

having horizontal heavy is cool

having everything else the achlys brings

not so cool

[gusty furnace]

This game clearly released two years too early

that's for sure

Because after the class update, we need a complete weapon overhaul

from the ground up

nearly every single mark in the game needs to be changed in one fashion or another.

Some are egregiously bad, some are mediocre at best

[gusty furnace]

And then you get into things like gear acquisition, gear upgrades, weapon and curio perk balance, and weapon blessing balance on top of those issues

[lunar hollow]

i truly hope we see a total crafting rework and they bring back some of the planned attachment system

[gusty furnace]

Something something Escape From Tarkov

This receiver has very little weight

That means you shoot faster

But since it has little weight, it can't handle larger caliber ammunition so you sacrifice damage

That isn't a total nightmare to balance either.

So I get why weapon customization was scrapped. The state of release was already straight dogshit.

Would be neat to see it come back though.

In whatever vision fatshark had for it.

[lunar hollow]

yeah. i don't really anticipate anything major but they kinda surprised me with the direction they went for skill trees

[gusty furnace]

Even after Hedge's funny comment

I wouldn't be surprised if they did end up going the CoD route.

Simple changes to weapons that bring different stat adjustments.

CoD's modern weapon customization is seemingly complex on the surface, but its really not once you spend like, a few hours with it.

[lunar hollow]

i'd be curious to see how they handled moveset differences for melee weapons

or if they'd leave them mostly the same and just have gun customization

[gusty furnace]

You can tell the amount of melee weapons shafted the movesets though.

Just look at VT2.

There's like, 30 or 40 total weapons in that game.

And each one feels unique, and has a place in matches - Dawi Flamer and Dual Pistols aside.

Mostly because they shit on THP gain

[lunar hollow]

i guess at that point you start having to figure out how to incorporate the progression currencies and stuff gets too complicated for a zoomer like me to figure out

[gusty furnace]

This is why I will always say Tarkov has the best loot acquisition in an RNG loot game

[lunar hollow]

dt has over 100!!! woo!!! (and half of them are reskins)

[gusty furnace]

You just play for Dollars, Roubles and Euros

and then buy off a market

and buy customization bits and bobs off the flea market from other players

So you're only limited by your actual skill in surviving to bring money home(And not running into cheaters )

[lunar hollow]

a 40k escape from tarkov-style game set on tertium but you're all PDF soldiers would be funny

[gusty furnace]

But there's no real arbitrary blocks in the acquisition process that keep you from getting what you want.

Like, literally everyone complains about the RNG at hadron and brunts

because its just blatantly unfun

Spend 10 hours grinding up resources

spend all of them for literally zero rewards

What a fun and engaging gameplay loop

[lunar hollow]

having 3 competing currencies all designed to keep you bottlenecked is annoying

early on its plasteel, cuz ur just trying to get usable weapons, and then its dockets cuz ur chasing optimal stat combos

[gusty furnace]

Not even optimal

[lunar hollow]

and diamantine is some weird joke someone came up with

[gusty furnace]

Just finding acceptable weapons is fucking infuriating

Like, "I want a 360 with the dump stat on mobility" for a melee weapon is already frustrating beyond belief

and then you need to take it to hadron for upgrades that align with killing things faster. And it just never happens in any timely fashion

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i spent literal millions of dockets to get my illisi and 10k plasteel

[lunar hollow]

i have my suspicions the solution for this will be red weapons giving you 100s in all stats

which would be kinda funny

[lyric burrow]

I didnt really hate the system till i started trying to make perfect shit

[gusty furnace]

inb4 the only way to get reds is from emperor gifts

inb4 they have a 0.1% drop rate

so it takes 1000 matches to get one red

[lunar hollow]

i'd end it all

[gusty furnace]

[lyric burrow]

Cause thats when you realize how much needs to go right

[lunar hollow]

just fuckin make it like 1-2k diamantine or smth

[gusty furnace]

5k

maybe even 10k

if its all 100s

[lunar hollow]

my first time grinding an autopistol

[gusty furnace]

There's literally no use to diamantine at all

[lunar hollow]

it took me so many tries

because this was before they stealth buffed blessing tier drop rates and you would constantly get t2 shit

[gusty furnace]

me with my half-baked obscurus because I have literally 0 control over stat distribution

and almost no control over perks and blessings

[lyric burrow]

Thank god I started trying to perfect roll after the recent patch

Still awful but better

[gusty furnace]

and upgrading this will take another 1000 hours of gameplay

[lunar hollow]

hammers, force swords, etc are just rolling a goddamn bolder up a hill

[gusty furnace]

let alone my Illisi and Deimos

[lyric burrow]

Hammer killed me

[gusty furnace]

Bull Butcher mk3 was mine

It took me 700 hours to find a good one

[lyric burrow]

I could NOT get the stat distribution i wanted

[lunar hollow]

it took me tens of thousands of plasteel for the hammer i wanted

[gusty furnace]

Power Sword was my second

Yeah, the current system is very very Japanese/Korean/Chinese

smells like Tencent in here

I know they don't have an owning stake in Fatshark, but you can smell their paws all over "crafting"

[lunar hollow]

deimos? spent 2 weeks not playing psyker. bought 10 deimos. rolled the best stat distributed one. damn near perfect

[lyric burrow]

Im introducing my friend to darktide and spent like 3 days making sure he understood what he was getting into with crafting

So it didnt blindside him when he hit level 30

[lyric burrow]

Elites 🤨

I actually dont care too much about second perk kn deimos

[gusty furnace]

I bet that other perk was something stupid like +1 stamina

or some other useless bullshit

[lyric burrow]

I just want maniac

[lunar hollow]

its better than basically anything else besides flak

[lyric burrow]

I was just giving you shit

[lunar hollow]

perish

[gusty furnace]

Or as Darcy would say:

"Shut"

[lunar hollow]

true

the warp res on that is so nice. u activate -> qq -> activate and u have enough peril to 1 tap a mutie

[lyric burrow]

I couldnt get low warp res on mine

Otherwise its practically yours

[lunar hollow]

well like

i had been trying on and off for weeks to get good psyker shit

stopped playing psyker cuz i got burnt out

and then i just, rolled this

like every time i play this game less i get better items

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i spent forever getting a good illisi and deimos and burnt out on psyker

Even this isnt perfect

Cause warp res

But its very much fine

Havent gotten around to making a better one yet

[lunar hollow]

i got lucky with mine and it has a first target dump stat of like 60

and since first target doesnt apply to special

it hardly matters cuz i spam that shit always

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its pretty w/e

Only matters if they fix that

[lunar hollow]

they probably will

[lyric burrow]

I wonder how much itll affect or if it just means you need like 70 FT to 2 shot mutants

[lunar hollow]

theres a chance it just stays in the game for years

and only gets fixed way later in the life cycle

[lyric burrow]

Im kind of expecting that given the sort of things fs leaves untouched

Although illisi in general needs a nerf

[lunar hollow]

the horde clear force sword still hitting a bunch of the same single target BPs as the single target force sword be like

slaughterer is a beautiful thing

[lyric burrow]

Yeah you can basically solo a horde without even knowing how melee works almost

I only say almost in case someones out there getting there ass beat in melee with illisi and they read this

[lunar hollow]

the problem with psword-style weapon activations is how fucking safe they are

it is actually deranged you can chain stagger as many ragers as you can cleave

[lyric burrow]

But single target on it is absurd esp when it builds peril for free + infinite dodges

[spice veldt]

good thing that the psword/illisi specials don't have insane stagger to cover the next activation

[lunar hollow]

like why is this weapon allowed to treat elites like theyre paper bags

[spice veldt]

FUCK wrong emoji

[lunar hollow]

lmao

[gusty furnace]

The power sword actually has the opposite problem

[lyric burrow]

Psyker even has the stam regen to block ragers all day

[gusty furnace]

its so good at killing things that it makes you unsafe

[lyric burrow]

We dont need to stagger with the horde clear weapon 😭

[gusty furnace]

Because enemies back-fill killed enemies so quickly

so you can accidentally overwhelm yourself with psword

[spice veldt]

eh I've never had that problem as long as I had dodges up

and I wasn't literally surrounded

[lunar hollow]

i think to get to that point u also have to make bad positioning decisions

[spice veldt]

i do care about positioning more with the psword than the illisi

but that's relatively trivial

[lunar hollow]

vet does not have the ability to enter greased up slide dodge everywhere and spam blocks mode

like psyker can

[gusty furnace]

Its not something I deal with every vet match

[spice veldt]

just sticking to walls and making sure that you have at least one angle that they can't come from

[lunar hollow]

so ur not allowed to play as stupidly

[gusty furnace]

but its always something I'm wary of

Like, the Psword is so good it can go backwards a little bit

and I have to be concious of that

[lyric burrow]

Holy shit this is validating

Usually ill put my back to something somewhat to cover one angle and ive had people say i shouldnt do it

Then they get surrounded

[gusty furnace]

its only bad when trapper

Because you have to make sure one direction is clear 24/7

[spice veldt]

who tf is saying that

[gusty furnace]

which can get tedious

[lyric burrow]

Yeah trapper is awkward when your sides get covered

[spice veldt]

the only reason why I don't use walls is only because I'm greedy for kills and often overextend for them

[lyric burrow]

Thankfully you only need a little room to dodge slide

[spice veldt]

but having one angle covered is always nice to have and almost always trivial because of the amount of walls and cover in this game

[lunar hollow]

its nice how the game incentivizes different positioning based on what ur fighting generally

[lyric burrow]

On the contrary they ALWAYS show up right as i wanna get away from chaos spawns 3 dodge sized grab

[lunar hollow]

like the safest place to be vs a ranged patrol is directly in the center of them

unless they bug out

and firing squad u

[spice veldt]

and your melee is going to arc with a limited angle and cleave so you don't need enemies to come from 360 degrees

[lunar hollow]

simply have a dpi button u can max out to turn urself into a human helicopter

[lyric burrow]

Me with 16000 dpi

[spice veldt]

intense brrrr noises

[lyric burrow]

(I play on 400 dpi)

[gusty furnace]

Ranged enemies not pulling out melee weapons is the most frustrating experience in the game

[lyric burrow]

I am not a helicopter

[gusty furnace]

the second most frustrating experience is burster trains on maelstrom

because burster trains have literally zero counterplay

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with ranged enemies not pulling out their melee weapons since it's usually safer than taking a melee hit (unless they're scab shooters)

[gusty furnace]

Hope you have a shock staff psyker or just die

[thorn cedar]

One grenade.

[lunar hollow]

i don't find the ranged enemies thing too terribly annoying unless like

there's so many of them they break ur toughness

and ur not a twbs zealot

[lyric burrow]

Push > F for psyker works well for me

[gusty furnace]

that doesn't help when there's 10 of them and half of them run past your nade and the last 3 don't get hit by it

[lunar hollow]

but normally you can get most of them with incidental stagger or melee cleave

[spice veldt]

the problem with psyker's ult for that is that it's bugged so that it may not stagger if you ult while you yourself are staggered

[lunar hollow]

you put yourself a safe distance away from a teammate and let them be the bait

[spice veldt]

so there's some inconsistency if you attempt to use psyker's ult defensively

[lunar hollow]

and just shoot

[gusty furnace]

The correct move is Joshos point

And what I've been doing

[spice veldt]

sacrifice the psyker/plasmagun vet

[lyric burrow]

I do wish bursters interacted with each other differently

[gusty furnace]

just outright sacrifice a teammate to the burster murder squad

[lyric burrow]

Thats you

[lunar hollow]

one of the worst choices they made for this game

was letting bursters launch other bursters forwards into you

[spice veldt]

i'm a bolter vet 😎

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats the exact interaction I meant lol

[lunar hollow]

its so fucking stupid. why is this happening

the only thing i can do is shove them away once they get to a certain point

[lyric burrow]

Ill push 2 and the first one explodes the second into me

[lunar hollow]

why the fuck is this thing being regurgitated by the ai director back onto me

[lyric burrow]

Like what do i do 😭

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/la0x15

this is the only time

i have ever shoved 2 bursters

[lyric burrow]

Ive done it but it feels like luck

[lunar hollow]

u have to have kinda specific burster positioning to do it

if theyre too close it goes very badly

[lyric burrow]

I also want them to fix them not blowing up when you shove them randomly cause its always at a really awkward moment

[lunar hollow]

thats because uh

sometimes

they target a person

who is not you

but you are the closest

so u think "oh god im in danger its gonna blow me up" and then u go to shove and it uh is not actually you who is in danger

there should probably be an override so that if it gets staggered it just detonates anyways

but i think that would have unintended stupid consequences

[lyric burrow]

Maybe just make it detonate on push specifically

If they can separate stagger and push

[lunar hollow]

depends on what its possible for them to do

cuz like, the stuff that counts for headtaker is way too forgiving

but theyve demonstrated being able to change that

optimally it would probably just be push but its fatshark and the monkey's paw curls and some stupid edge case comes up and u have randomly detonating bursters

[lyric burrow]

Surge staff starts not doing anything to them

[lunar hollow]

well i guess i can think of 1 already

if its push specifically u run into the scenario where doing like a caxe l1 and staggering it back

doesn't technically guarantee the explosion

but a push does

(the number of people who are fighting a burster not targeting them and not pushing them instead of using a melee attack to stagger is incredibly small, so i can't imagine it would be a major issue)

[lyric burrow]

Yeah idk if ive even seen that

[lunar hollow]

ive sometimes been forced into using an attack vs a burster like when i have to shove a hound away and immediately push-attack a burster

but really the intuitive thing to do is to shove them

[lyric burrow]

Yeah shoving them makes the most sense to me

[spice veldt]

i'm always sketch about meleeing bursters because of the 3x melee damage multiplier that they have

and bursters can randomly get one-shot by a melee attack that doesn't have enough damage for that even when they haven't been damaged at all

their behavior is so fucking sketch and unreliable

[olive ember]

Surge staff becomes even more stronk

[willow escarp]

ogryn has the perfect answer for bursters with a punch

[feral inlet]

you can safely 100% of the time hit a burster out the way with a l1 hsword unless it's already harmed

[olive ember]

Unless it’s already harmed

You can push a burster away safely with force sword push as long as kinetic flayer doesn’t proc

[lyric burrow]

It procs on push

I did not know that

[olive ember]

Well the push attack

Does it proc on push

Idr I think it does

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure if it procs on non-damaging attacks

maybe with uncanny stacks up

[lyric burrow]

I figured it was only on damaging moves yeah

[olive ember]

No it def procs on non damaging

Because force pushes can def proc kf

Unless they’ve changed it I’ve had it happen before when doing a penance way back

[spice veldt]

and w/o uncanny?

[olive ember]

It was my force sword

So deflector

[feral inlet]

go in the psykh and test it

[compact bluff]

it only procs on damaging attacks, it feels like that was added in an update, but it is how it works. it also makes recon lasgun even more sad on psyker because you cant proc KF on crushers without getting crits

[gusty furnace]

what a sad state of affairs

[lyric burrow]

🫡

Great stats too

[crude cape]

which accatran recon lasgun model do you want for the gunner build, and which blessings?

[shadow quail]

Just came back form long break, trauma seems really strong now, purg too, surge is same and now feels like void is in a bad spot, compltely different from last time I played, Iam i wrong with my observations?

[upper galleon]

VId

traums is really strong and has 2 builds, surge is a useful tool but it isn't "strong" it's more enables you to focus on your illisi force sword and BB

[shadow quail]

yeah, same as before

[crude cape]

which blessings are good?

[upper galleon]

purge is the classic flamethrower so it is hasn't changed except the feat rework if you were here for that

[upper galleon]

throw darts on a board. infernus headhunter 🎯

[shadow quail]

what would you say is the best all rounder

seems like purg or trauma to me

[upper galleon]

trauma

[shadow quail]

cool

[upper galleon]

void just has a crap target cap

[shadow quail]

yeah feels bad

rendering+void still the way to go?

warp*

[upper galleon]

trauma can go the classic build with 6 warp charges warp nexus warp flurry

hmm I don't know if people take rendering

but I think some people do go rending+ warp flurry

or you can go blazing+ warp nexus

slower recharge speed, but you really spread fire if you go the soulblaze feats

trading killing power for spreading damage

[shadow quail]

trauma is probably the worst staff i got tbh, going with this

[upper galleon]

low warp resistance is good actually

since everyone takes warp unleashed

baseline 10% power with up to 25% at high peril

[shadow quail]

ill look out for a blazing one, I like fire

[spice veldt]

though being able to fire off more trauma blasts repeatedly is more worth than the bonus from warp unleashed

unless you're trying to hit a certain breakpoint

[upper galleon]

warp unleashed isn't a blessing

it's a feat

you are thinking of warp nexus

and that you only take with blazing spirit or if you don't want rending

[shadow quail]

so BIS, nexus + blazing

[upper galleon]

nexus blazing for soulblaze

flurry+ rending or flurry+ nexus for everything else

[shadow quail]

cool so I have a decent one for now, will focus on a blazing one. tyvm

[upper galleon]

uhh blazing spirit is a 3 tier blessing only, doesn't have a 1, 2 or 4

[shadow quail]

And people are still using lllisi with this build?

[feral inlet]

you can use illisi with anything

illisi is the build, staffs are a bonus

[shadow quail]

This is the one im rocking atm

[feral inlet]

I think there's some BP for +maniac and muties?

@spice veldt fact check this

[spice veldt]

i know of a bp for maniac with unstable

but I'd just take maniac to more reliably two-shot mutants w/o having to be at high peril

illisi already two-shots groaners by a fair margin so +unarmoured will take effect against dreg stalkers for the most part

and bruisers i suppose

[upper galleon]

maniac is great on illisi

take off that unarmored it doesn't need it

[shadow quail]

cool ty guys

[upper galleon]

god I love HDD loading times

i need to download dark cache

[fresh reef]

vet complains while down about how we're not killing specials
he has 2 special kills

lul

[upper galleon]

OMAFRSI

what was he running?

[lyric burrow]

Psword bolter my guess

Mk12 las maybe

[upper galleon]

that's still

like, any vet worth their salt should be killing specials

free ammo free refreshes I'd die from laughing

[lyric burrow]

Oh i agree

They are built to kill specials

[spice veldt]

and everything

[upper galleon]

hey guys gonna be playing ogryn but I complain about my teammates letting things melee me

[lyric burrow]

Me when they have mk3 bull butcher

[crude cape]

what do you guys think about 311132 revolver + illisi build

i thought about 311112 as well but wasnt sure

kinda a meme but it could work right?

using ascendant blaze kinda for fun but also just for the burn interaction on a horde/mixed horde to help that oh shit moment

revolver is faster than BB a lot of the time so kb seems bad

[lyric burrow]

I run 3 3 1 1 1 3

But kb can be swapped out probably

WU over WR is fine too since your using illisi

I just like it for ogryn packs with kb cause it can melt them

Which revo isnt amazing against

[gusty furnace]

I hate maelstrom

Well, more specifically, I hate that none of the maps were designed with the modifiers in mind

and Ascension Riser is just an outright bullshit map in general.

Far too much space between medstations

[fresh reef]

very cool

[gusty furnace]

This is also the worst part of maelstroms

a lot of spawns are tied to the buttons to progress

and people are fucking redacted

So they just wkeywkeywkeywkeywkey without thinking

[indigo portal]

Getting that authentic bad luck V2 experience where you get 2 healing draughts and 0 medical supplies.

[gusty furnace]

Honestly, now that you say that. It really does feel like that map was made by some of the VT2 map makers.

The open spaces and long treks between medstations really feel like they were pulled from VT2 where you could loot individual heals out of boxes, or just get them as random spawns in locations

Like, the fact that there isn't a medstation right after the train-yard unblock area abso-fucking-lutely boggles my mind.

[fresh reef]

I know blazing spirit swords are generally memes, but how's this?

[gusty furnace]

Actually pain

Mostly just the damage roll and groaners perk

I'm sure fatshark will do something to make Shred, and crit builds in general, better. A very small sure, but there's no way they plan to let it fester for literally the whole lifespan of DT

[fresh reef]

I also got this funny thing

guessing I should roll flak into the t4 version?

[gusty furnace]

Hint: Fatshark, the way to do it is to let crit blessings stack forever, but the critical chance stack is dumped once you roll a critical hit

[gusty furnace]

Yep

If only buckethead bruisers took extra damage from the surge staff

or, rolled on the flak table for damage

[fresh reef]

I could run Illisi but I feel like that's too basic bitch

even though it's optimal for surge

[gusty furnace]

Fun fact: illisi pairs best with surge

[fresh reef]

any suggestions?

[gusty furnace]

You could do Bromentum/Headtaker antax mk5/rashad

at least its not another force sword kit

[fresh reef]

is dclaw worth trying?

[gusty furnace]

No

[fresh reef]

welp

[gusty furnace]

Mostly the issue of hordes in Darktide being balanced around the stupidly overpowered melee options we have right now.

[fresh reef]

Illisi it is then

since I'm currently docket poor

[gusty furnace]

The reality of hadron bug

A berjillion plasteel

no gold

[fresh reef]

I am running this build with illisi/surge and I cannot be stopped

[fresh reef]

alright, @olive ember I take back everything I said about Surge

It's good as fuck

[olive ember]

yesssss

why?

dear god hes using a wrack and ruin wildfire build

[fresh reef]

had a successful run with the build above

after finally getting around to yknow, trying the fucking staff

only issue I ran into was that having low warp res fucking hurts, so I rolled a new one with charge speed as the dump stat

[upper galleon]

doesn't hurt at all actually

take WU

and get used to edging

[fresh reef]

Does surge have that weird quirk where you can start channeling m2 before 97% and still cast without exploding at 100%?

[upper galleon]

everything does

[indigo portal]

We enjoy edging perils.

[fresh reef]

guess I have some habits to break if I want to play surge more then

critical-peril.wav has become my cue to press r

[celest hedge]

i think as long as you're not at 100% when you start channeling and then use the staff/BB, you're safe

[fresh reef]

from what I can tell, it's fine as long as you don't actually hit 100%

[spice veldt]

yeah as long as you don't cast at 100% with a staff, then you're fine

[upper galleon]

it's 97%

[spice veldt]

the 97% threshold for beginning a cast is strictly only for BB

[upper galleon]

my bad

[spice veldt]

though staffs have their minimum cast time anyways that enforce some safe threshold

[upper galleon]

but yee i stick around 90 if my ult is on cd just in case

nothing like being at 100% peril doing a full charged staff attack, and pressing F

[celest hedge]

it's such a small difference that I guess I never noticed it, either it's 100% so I make sure to vent just a tiny bit, or it's like 10% or so from max

[spice veldt]

the peril meter also uses rounding to the nearest iirc

[primal aurora]

Is it weird that illisi makes me like lightning staff much more?

[spice veldt]

I have a mod that changes the color of my peril meter if the value is exactly at 100%, and I've activated the special on my force sword when the peril meter said 100%

[fresh reef]

god fucking damn it

death :)

[gusty furnace]

the real pain is when staff primary attack

Oh, I'll swap to my melee for this bit of the fight

q

dropped input

mouse 1

explodes myself

fucking REEEEEEEEE fatshark

[fresh reef]

My favorite is when I press F to quell, hear the voiceline, and then notice that nothing actually happened

[gusty furnace]

I will say all HP psyker is definitely comfier than +1 wound psyker as far as I've been able to tell

I can make dumb mistakes like dropped inputs

blow myself up, and come up with one wound left and still have as much HP as a normal psyker

I just run +5% toughness on all my curios for shotgunner BPs

and dreg stalker BPs

Really nice taking a full load from a dreg stalker and still having 15 toughness left

[keen harbor]

can confirm, dropped weapon swap input is so frustrating on pskyer

[spice veldt]

top 10 reasons why i don't qq cancel the illisi anymore

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah on surge I go to 100% all the time. Failed weapon swap is the only thing that pops me on it.

[upper galleon]

last time i blew myself up I swapped and forgot push attack costs perils

i was at 100% 😦

[plucky flax]

Damn what a beast illisi. 80% warp resist op

[thorn tapir]

why do the inputs drop. i find that i experience swap to melee inputs failing all the time, and it makes me take hits that aren't my fault.

[blazing echo]

the only time I'm experiencing these problems is playing with friends across the planet. Even then its intermittent. Not saying thats what your getting though. I'm on a fiber connection too which might mitigate some issues

[spice veldt]

brainburst has an unswappable portion that i'm too lazy to check, so if you're initiating a brainburst and whatnot, it can prevent you from swapping to melee

[hidden crystal]

I have input drop and hit reg issues often enough on the nearest servers. Admittedly I'm playing over wi-fi, but the ping is still generally in the ~30 ms range, which shouldn't be too bad.

[thorn tapir]

i play on a wired connection 30 ms range

😦

I get it alot

[hidden crystal]

I think they need to work out a way to more trust what the users' systems think has happened.

[gilded radish]

Mmmm Delicious 😋

[blazing echo]

Range seems fine but if possible Id try running a wire and see if you get a different experience.

[hidden crystal]

That's not easily done.

[blazing echo]

Yeah I figured or youd probably already be running wired

Oh you have flatmate issues yeh?

[keen harbor]

I have fully wired, fiber, inside a city, and this game still drops inputs like no other

[hidden crystal]

The direct line path is very short - my computer isn't that far from being directly above the router, but the process of (neatly) installing a cable through the floor wouldn't be trivial.

And I have no idea about those powerline networks and how they'd work on our electrics.

[golden frigate]

Wired and very fast Internet connection, yesterday 3 thammers and some ranged hits didn't register for me at all, in the span of 2 matches. Stopped playing after that. qq cancels, or even q swaps, feel slow or unreliable at times. What's worse tho is the insane lag spike when somebody enters a map midway through, that shit has killed me a couple times

Luckily for fatshark there are a lot of masochists out there, what can I say

[thorn tapir]

I have zero lag. The input drops to me dont FEEL latency related at all.

[naive sedge]

More likely to happen around time of new player joining

So a server load or server comes thing

[blazing echo]

I have a couple of friends who use powerline they prefer it to wifi.

[fresh halo]

How are these, Siblings ?

[naive sedge]

That illisi is bearable as a special attacker, but finesse is absolutely not a dump stat!

[fresh halo]

I see, thank you for the insight, Sibling !

I'll have to look deeper into this...

[spice veldt]

pretty neat having slaughterer and flak, but yeah, finesse is also attack speed in addition to crit/weakspot damage

[naive sedge]

The second mode of using the illisi is spamming lights on trash heads

And finesse is super important for that

[keen harbor]

illis doesn't really have a dump stat, but I would sacrifice mobility, if anything.
It has inifinite dodge, so dodge distance does not feel as important

[thorn tapir]

dueling sabre enjoyers rise up

D --------------------------------------------------------------------> ODGE

[restive slate]

Then comes force sword Psykers dodging speedrun

[cold geode]

If you are an unstable power enjoyer, than the dumpstat is peril resist

[reef crow]

me doing some necromancy stuff

yep because i make sure my psyker look like a necromancer old man

[naive sedge]

Do you have a skull on your belt AND a skull on your hip?

[blazing echo]

I have a skull IN my skull. I'm THAT reverent

[reef crow]

so far that it

[naive sedge]

One of the grubby trousers has a supplementary skull

If you're a skullmaxxing necropilled omega psycel

[near wyvern]

Even the game admits wounds are purely inferior

[olive ember]

I am slightly surprised it only goes up to one wound

[languid tusk]

purgatus staff: flak + infested or flak + crit chance ?

[lunar hollow]

i'd go flak + crit chance

[thorn cedar]

Or Flak unyielding.

[golden frigate]

turn off your brain and flak maniac every weapon in the game

[potent echo]

maniac on purge kinda

[golden frigate]

that's because you are trying to use your brain; don't

[steel egret]

So we are back at this.

[hoary badge]

Bespoke my beloved

[hidden crystal]

It's maximum warp charges, whatever your maximum currently is.

[languid tusk]

good thing about illisi you can keep stroking your sword to build up peril until you get to critical peril and eventually blow up

[hidden crystal]

Huh. That theoretically means that an old sword of mine would now give me 8 stamina with my curio perks.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1100547014036562041/image.png

[languid tusk]

other swords don't let you stroke nonstop

[hidden crystal]

Yes, keep stroking your sword until you explode.

[steel egret]

preferrably at the start of mission, to assert dominance.

[hidden crystal]

It's almost tempting to swap out the stamina Curio for HP or toughness and go back to that sword, if it's now got +2 Stamina... but then I wouldn't be able to tank hordes as well while reviving (given that your weapon bonuses don't count when reviving).

Might be worth a try, either way.

(It didn't have a great first target stat, but it was great being able to absolutely spam specials with 79% Warp Res).

[bold flint]

i love my localization errors