psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

I've considered all of those things in isolation for their own reasons.

But the specific meme idea of 'KF goes off on a thing that then takes CL damage and blows W&R all over' is uh

gambling, i guess is the word

i have been meaning to run CL on a Monstrous Specialists round but have forgot

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, if you have an SAP, you'll trigger KF once in two reloads

statistically speaking

in practical reality, since fatshark has no rng smoothing, it could be all 50 shots, or 0 BBs in 500 shots

[thorn cedar]

IME KF is somehow very generous since it's exceedingly rare that my Warp Charges dip below three lest there's literally just nothing around

plus it's a trigger chance on every target hit, not based on your attack itself

either way you dont really control it

you could have it pop as you kill targets on the way to that reaper in the backline

[indigo portal]

KF I'm pretty sure has elite/special priority w/ AoE weapons so it'll pop them pretty often. I love it with a Purge staff, it feels like it's being utilized constantly. Cerebral Lacerations feels like a boss support type talent, and W&R is in the same slot as Warp Unleashed so it doesn't give a whole lot of value ime.

I imagine a build with all three would be yeah, just neat. Doesn't seem good compared to alternative setups you could run though. Makes me excited for the Class Overhaul since you can have everything at once.

[spice veldt]

brainburst W not having to choose between warp unleashed and w&w

[ornate hamlet]

Is it possible to get 100% in all 5 stats?

[restive slate]

Atm, no

[hidden crystal]

Right now, it's not possible to get 100% in any stat.

Current caps are 80 in any one stat, and a 380 stat total (which is potentially four 80s and one 60, or five 76s).

[olive ember]

2/3 - 1 - 1/2 - 1 - 1/2 - 2

The standard purge build basically with some variations

So the base build is X/1/1/1/1/2 for the six stack AB burn

Then some people went “oh well I already have a 10% chance for warp charge gen whenever I burn something thanks to AB, is that 4% more from communion rly that important?” And swapped communion for aura for more ults

and similarily some people went “oh 6 stack AB isn’t that important, I can extend how much shit I burn and soften other shit up by using wildfire” and so they swap warp battery out for wildfire even tho it’s bugged as shit.

[upper galleon]

Yee, 4% is great cause allies often steal kills, which won't count for 10%

iirc

[olive ember]

it counts as long as an enemy dies while its still on fire via soulblaze iirc

[upper galleon]

it does? It feels like when I light up a horde but my team guns and slices them down

i barely get any charges

tooltip says Enemies killed by your Soulblaze effects (from any source)

so any way you apply soulblaze works

but it has to be from your soulblaze ticks or direct impact

[olive ember]

its a bit wishy washy

[upper galleon]

yee i think

you have to get the killing blow somehow

I'm like 99% sure teammate getting the killing blow doesn't count

[olive ember]

I mean theres old stuff like this from april

so its kinda weird tbh

but yeah shit like this is always hand wavey as shit and kinda hard to test

[keen harbor]

the nice thing with psyker, is that you can build the feats how you want

[olive ember]

I mean easiest way to test would be to get in a 4 queue do like a 2 stack AB on a horde and then have your team mow it down with guns but eh

[keen harbor]

I notice AB procs often enough to keep using it.

[potent echo]

Can't stress how important communion is actually

[potent echo]

It doesn't count unless it's another purge psyker, it's really weird

With 2 purge psykers, both will get insane amount of stacks really fast

I'm guessing they just check for (soulblaze kill by psyker)

[near wyvern]

This is because purgatus has a 2 second ramp up time and if your team has something like a stubber ogryn or bolter vet they are just going to last hit all of them, leaving you with none

[upper galleon]

Yes that is what I said later thanks

[near wyvern]

Like it applies 3 stacks per second and only 6+ does considerable damage per tick

You can get kills here and there with 4 stacks but purgatus is more of a CC stick with damage component than an actual damage stick

Why not use wildfire!!!!

Cause that thing is bugged to hell, yes you can get some more last hits on trash but it doesn't matter as they are already mass CC'd. You would do a lot better with PA + KF for ult spam allowing you to improve the dot output + do a strong stagger on demand or run battery for those sweet BB one shots against flamers.

[upper galleon]

Uhh

We were talking about blazing trauma, and wildfire isn't that bugged it's more just unless you are on the highest difficulties it doesn't have the density to maintain itself

And it's not about last hits, not until the 2nd or more pass through, but the softening up of targets and dealing damage

[near wyvern]

Battery is the better choice for blazing trauma

[upper galleon]

And I can safely say from experience that's not true once you get into Auric damnation

And Auric maelstrom

6 stacks helps get last hits yes, but wildfire dps grows a shit ton with density

[plucky flax]

Me vibing with wildfire blaze trauma.

[near wyvern]

Makes that 3 stack hit almost as strong as unbuffed 4 stack and BB break points are really good. The fact that the blaze dissipates away in single stacks + it spreads evenly + 5m spread range means you just either have a funny visual or it fades away in no time

[upper galleon]

Also KF is just bleh

At least suggest 6 charges next time

I mean, as a blaze psyker of any type

[near wyvern]

It's far more important to be able to one shot BB that flamer from far away than to apply more DPS on melee trash

[upper galleon]

You are looking to stack and spread as much fire as possible

[near wyvern]

On auric

[upper galleon]

You have WU for that

Also unless you don't get a vet

They are gonna get mowed down by any competent Auric vet before your BB finishes

Wildfire is like Rumbler

[near wyvern]

Not white enough to be consistent

You want 5 stacks

[upper galleon]

Also no you don't take PA either cause of how bugged ascendant can be

[near wyvern]

I run 311112 for blaze trauma

[upper galleon]

Aka you or another blaze psyker must get the last hit, better to go communion and just get charges for free

[near wyvern]

Always at 5/6 stacks ready to one shot shit with BB

[upper galleon]

I don't run deflector so I take the shield

BB is ineffective and slow

If your team is relying on BB you should just all in on KB

And ignore blaze all together

Wildfire just has too much passive pressure and damage which adds up to way more value than 1-2 extra charges, not including things like catching shooters behind cover

I've had maelstroms so dense I've had wildfire hit a sniper

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah i prefer Wildfire on Purg and Blaze Trauma

[vestal rose]

im still not convinced wildfire does anything meaningful :s
which i really wish it did! but i just don't feel it addS much damage, just a bit of extra single stacks of blue

not that i can talk though
i run lacerations and flayer because killing bulwarks in one bb occasionally is funny

[gusty furnace]

Probably the saddest deimos in the world

If I were going to have to lock in anything other than a damage perk, I guess tier 4 block efficiency is up there for the memes

[hoary badge]

Why not maniac for Mutie harpooning

[hoary badge]

That 5 stack bp makes it pretty effective imo

[thorn tapir]

80% warp resistance

[hoary badge]

I rarely find myself in a situation where I need extra hordeclear with Blaze loadouts but I will feel myself wanting to secure specialist kills at times when my pub players have ranged deficiencies

And wildfire doesn't help at all in those situations

[gusty furnace]

If the team has ranged deficiencies, they probably have melee deficiencies too

that is a skill level joke

[hoary badge]

Which Blaze loadouts can take care on their own

[north pike]

Fix first, or keep to second ?

[feral inlet]

keep second

[north pike]

My glorious Lasshitstol

I have no idea why I love him so

[naive sedge]

(guns that make toughness are underrated)

[cerulean cave]

Opinion? I know I have to adjust the perks, just not quite sure yet what I'll go for

[hidden crystal]

Sigh. The latest batch of max blessing curios I've tried to refine has had Hadron has refused to give me a single T4 perk (let alone one I like) by purple, and the cost of consecrating all the way to orange on the hope that she finally does good is painful.

[cerulean cave]

unstable power seems incredibly weak, even on lvl 4...and I'm doubtful of deflector's use to me, since surge takes care of most gunners.
Can deflector block snipers? Then I might consider it

[hidden crystal]

No, deflector cannot block snipers.

[cerulean cave]

think I'm just swapping out both perks then

since Exorcist has been kinda nice in hordes so far, to just keep powering it without needing to quell

[hidden crystal]

I do however find Deflector very useful.

[grizzled iris]

I don't

Deflector is a blessing for skill issue

Learn to play without it and get better

[cerulean cave]

never played with it, just curious about it. The block efficiency is nice, I guess?

But I don't think I'll scrap exorcist for it

[spice veldt]

it's a blessing who's use is what you make of it, like focused channeling is

[grizzled iris]

Exorcist is bad

Just go Unstable Power

[cerulean cave]

for 5% power?

on lvl4

[grizzled iris]

Unstable power is 20% power

[spice veldt]

the caveat to the block cost reduction from deflector is that it only applies to ranged attacks

[grizzled iris]

Since Arcotash is here

I'll leave the rest to him

Take it from here Arcotash

[spice veldt]

5% power per stack; a stack is gained at the 20/40/60/80% peril thresholds

the description is just terrible

[cerulean cave]

oh, it doesn't say anything about stacks

fair

[hidden crystal]

There's a lot more to it than the "Wah wah wah, I don't know how to dodge" that you seem to think.

[grizzled iris]

Arcotash, can you take this one too?

I know we don't have the exact same standpoint on Deflector

[spice veldt]

well i agree with marco

[cerulean cave]

[grizzled iris]

Agree with what?

Saying that you agree with him/her is you saying that anything he says about it you agree with

You gotta expand

[spice veldt]

deflector can be a crutch but you can use it for a playstyle that you otherwise can't achieve

[naive sedge]

Deflector with peril blocking gives a psyker with non-effective teamates a good option against Scab Shooter packs in a coverless room

[cerulean cave]

jfc

[spice veldt]

it is what you make of it

[cerulean cave]

So...definitely unstable power>exorcist then?

[grizzled iris]

Exorcist is just limited

[cerulean cave]

I asked Arcotash

[spice veldt]

there's a use case for exorcist in the form of quelling from 100% after a followup of your special-heavy

[grizzled iris]

You cut through the enemies head and hit the body of another mob next to it? You lose all stacks

[cerulean cave]

yea that's what I found useful tbh

[grizzled iris]

You stop attacking? You lose the stacks

Oh wait

[spice veldt]

I personally prefer unstable power because it's a general damage boost and gets you to two breakpoints pertaining to groaners and mutants

[grizzled iris]

Exorcist

The one that quells peril?

[spice veldt]

but I am very much in a DPS mentality

[cerulean cave]

hmmm...

I'll just swap out the 8% Perk for now then and leave the 2nd adjustment open for the time being

play with it a bit

[spice veldt]

the oct 4 patch will potentially shake things up pertaining to blessings, so that's a fine choice

[grizzled iris]

My take on Exorcist, it requires 2x headshots in a row to proc, it lowers your peril which lowers your damage, you aren't using another dps blessing or another utility blessing

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, special spam is the best combo for the illisi in most scenarios when you can afford the peril, and battle meditation is not the most consistent thing

[grizzled iris]

Imo Exorcist would become valueable for me personally if they removed the restriction of the "repeated weak spot hit"

[spice veldt]

yeah like with transfer peril on the staffs

[hidden crystal]

Arguably, unless you're repeatedly smacking carapace armoured enemies with an Illisi, the groaner perk is actually slightly more useful.

[spice veldt]

but I suppose the blessing was conceptualized in a pre-quelling buff era

[cerulean cave]

Yea I was hesitating there for a moment, considering my playstyle

[hidden crystal]

Although you'd need to look at the breakpoints.

[cerulean cave]

with Surge as my default staff choice...

[grizzled iris]

Lost do you play with mods?

[cerulean cave]

I usually go for either lightning to stunlock, if my mates are being hounded by crushers

or BB if I have the time

so the cara dmg doesn't really do much on my sword

[spice veldt]

i suppose +carapace might let you kill a crusher faster than you lose your slaughterer stacks

[hidden crystal]

As I worked it out a while back, my Illisi (without +Carapace) needs just a hair over four charged heavy headshots to take down a Crusher, and with a Mauler you're still getting more damage by going for the bodyhits.

+Carapace is only really useful on a weapon where you'd want to use it on carapace to begin with.

[spice veldt]

in a scenario where a crusher is mixed with a horde

[cerulean cave]

then again I could swap out both, to go for flak + unarmoured. Keep Exorcist, cause it's usage is literally just...hit heads in a horde. Auto-quell enough to charge again, before blowing up.

like. I already get up to +75% Power from Slaughterer 4

I don't really think I need the 20% from Unstable Power

[spice veldt]

yeah the +20% power at >80% peril would be a 1.14x relative increase to power once you have 5 max t4 slaughterer stacks

unstable power gets you to breakpoints pertaining to groaners (one-shotting them with the special-heavy's min cleave damage) and mutants (two-shotting them with a special-heavy weakspot and bodyshot, provided that you also have +maniac)

[hidden crystal]

One upside to Unstable Power is that it takes longer to lose than Slaughterer stacks.

[spice veldt]

but +groaners will probably let you reach that breakpoint for doing the first breakpoint

[cerulean cave]

yea, but 90% of the sword's usage is in hordes.

[cerulean cave]

ngl, I'm pretty sure it does, cause I have yet to not one shot them with a charged heavy

or just a charged light to the head

[spice veldt]

ye i mean with the minimum cleave damage; aka being able to one-shot ~26 full hp groaners in a single swing

but that's not a very useful breakpoint since they die insanely quickly anyways

[hidden crystal]

While that's its desired use case, if maulers or ragers turn up, you'll probably lose the Slaughterer stacks.

[spice veldt]

and I'm not one to build the illisi for hordeclear when it's already good at it

[cerulean cave]

I use surge. Infinite dodges on sword, get behind a mate, or just far enough away, or just use F, then surge>BB

[hidden crystal]

Then you definitely lose the Slaughterer stacks by changing weapon, but the peril from your staff can immediately keep your Unstable Power charged up.

[spice veldt]

illisi is fine for small groups of ragers/maulers since it has enough base cleave to hit 2 of them with a special

[cerulean cave]

yea...I'm saying I don't need them to stay up outside of tightly packed groups

[spice veldt]

and it activates & swings fast enough to stagger ragers with repeated special-lights, so it's safe to do

[cerulean cave]

cause I simply have other responses to such circumstances, with my playstyle

[spice veldt]

as well as force sword lights being uninterruptible attacks unlike psword lights

i think

damn i haven't played psyker in 3 days and my memory is failing me

[cerulean cave]

so then. Since I'm keeping Exorcist for the utility

would you say just flak and unarmored for perks? Or something else?

[spice veldt]

just tested; fsword lights are uninterruptible by light stagger indeed

[cerulean cave]

or just keep groaners

and leave the 1 slot open, for the patch?

[spice veldt]

i'd probably go for flak + maniac if I had the choice, with maniac behind the priority because of mutants

if you're a patient person, then I'd wait for the patch

[cerulean cave]

again...surge. I'd rather stunlock

[spice veldt]

if you're playing a premade and you trust your teammates, then sure

[cerulean cave]

yea I mean Cara definitely has to go

[spice veldt]

but the new patch will probably fix illisi's first target presumably so your fsword will be less good

so it is what it is

[cerulean cave]

eh, then we just grind out the next good thing

[spice veldt]

yeah

[cerulean cave]

or I go back to my baxe

[spice veldt]

might as well use both modifications

[cerulean cave]

caxe*

[fossil venture]

hello, i really like the lightning staff, but i don't understand what i'm actually supposed to be doing with it, i understand that it blocks dogs and mutants, but it seems useless against a horde, and doesn't really deal a lot of damage, i get that it's more of a utility weapon but i don't know what i'm doing, also what blessings/perks should i look for?

[echo cosmos]

Illisi sword

[safe crystal]

Its an utility tool you whip out to either stun priority targets and start whacking them with melee while they're stunned, or kill small amounts of scab enemies, since surge deals decent damage against the armored enemies. You should be using your melee way more than you're using the staff. Avoid using the staff against hordes in general, since it has a target cap and does almost no damage to non-scab enemies.

For blessings, warp flurry and warp nexus are considered the best, and perks, flak + carapace/crit chance.

[fossil venture]

alright, my mistake was basicaly only using my sword when i was cornered, thanks

[naive sedge]

Slaughterer illisi is one of the best melee weapons of any char

Don't wait to use it

light attack spam vs trash

Stand 2metres behind front line and step in with reppeated special strikes when vs. armor

[regal jasper]

Hi psyker chat

[near wyvern]

Flurry doesn't make that much of a difference, surge has a heavy cast cost and low charge cost. Focused channeling is better IMO for surge.

[safe crystal]

Hm, fair. Im still on what was considered good on it early this year, and thought nothing had really changed

[upper galleon]

Focused channeling is needed because it does have one damage scenario

And that is scab stalkers and shooters

[upper galleon]

You could easily just say the wildfire with 4 warp charges and warp unleashed will catch the special and finish it off anyways. The most important specials to BB(bombers, snipers) don't need more than 4 stacks

But I don't get some y'all don't realize it's a preference choice

When I play Auric damn and maelstroms I use wildfire for more overall damage from enemy density

[willow escarp]

wildfire is beautiful when the trauma crit hits and suddenly the entire consignment yard is on fire

[hoary badge]

I'm not disputing the strength of wildfire, but I feel you're downplaying the strength of BB in your kit

[upper galleon]

It is downplayed when you have a competent Auric vet

Who is gonna mow down specials for ammo and refreshes

And steal your kills

[hoary badge]

well if you account for factors like that, sure

[upper galleon]

Like I'm gonna be honest besides for ranged pick offs, I don't BB

My sword has plenty of burst in melee and lighting everything on fire is very effective

[willow escarp]

me when all the vets using sustained fire + bolter and I have to kinetic barrage the wall of shooters

[hoary badge]

is a team based game, of course a class is going to do something better than another

[upper galleon]

It's a good back up tool and useful, but if I want a BB build I'm not going blaze at all

I'll go KB and 6 stacks then

[hoary badge]

but the vast majority of my pub sessions I have the ability to flex into roles instead of specializing

[upper galleon]

The fact I've lit snipers on fire from wildfire spreading is ridic

It's not about horde clear it's about sheer enemy density causing it to spread and soften, possibly killing enemies if it passes through more than once

[hoary badge]

and 1shot BB is gonna come into handy more reliably than wildfire spread

[upper galleon]

On what

Flamers?

That are left with 20 hp

Like yes I'm aware I miss that BP if my WU isnt maxed

[willow escarp]

is 1shot BB on dogs possible?

[hoary badge]

you have whole builds in this game that are made to eke out 1 shot on big targets, when the team is stress tested it will save lives

[upper galleon]

But I don't notice it in game cause usually players are competent enough in Auric games I never had a lost game where I go " damn, if only I had 6 stacks"

[upper galleon]

List them

List the specific breakpoints you miss at 6 stacks vs 4 stacks +WU

[hoary badge]

uh, like majority of all hard hitting weapons in the game?

[upper galleon]

Wildfire is more damage in denser games

[hoary badge]

Thammer, Plasma, Headhunters, Deimos?

[upper galleon]

I've tested it

[hoary badge]

again

not disputing damage

[upper galleon]

Gonna say it, 6 stacks on blaze build is like taking flak thunderhammer

[hoary badge]

but you're overvaluing dps and undercutting the importance of breakpoints

[upper galleon]

1 breakpoint, 2 if you count both flamer types

Something that neither purge or trauma care about since it's really easy to follow up with them

[restive slate]

Question, how many bb on reaper with 4 stacks + warp unleashed?

[hoary badge]

its like saying flame wizard the best class in the Vermintide when she can top green circles for kills and damage reliably but without a form of burst target eliminations a team is gonna fall appart

[upper galleon]

I believe 2

There's nothing stopping you from using BB at 4 stacks

I never said don't burst target ever

[restive slate]

I've played with 6 stacks all this while, looking to diversify

[upper galleon]

But it's not your primary weapon unless you are running a completely different build

[upper galleon]

6 stacks WU is the best for BB damage IMO

[restive slate]

Yea I agree

[upper galleon]

But... wildfire is ridiculous for softening up shooters in dense games so I swear by it

Since shooter trash is the most numerous threat

[hoary badge]

Neither did I emphasize it, but you are specifically pressing on topping damage charts when I don't see that as a priority in practice

[restive slate]

But like all my Psyker builds I wish there's more variety

[upper galleon]

Well, DT isn't VT2

[restive slate]

Gotta wait till October 4th

[upper galleon]

Ranged enemies in VT2 were a gag enemy

[restive slate]

You can block arrows in vt2

[hoary badge]

not the point, but players commonly emphasized their green circles when the stats don't matter where it needs to

[upper galleon]

Dealing damage to wide swathes of shooters and weakening or even killing them is worth it

[restive slate]

Ratling gunner is just one Reaper

[upper galleon]

So you are just doing like

Analysing me

Instead of actually talking about in game fights

[restive slate]

Waiting for the day Terrifying Barrage is good, maybe reduces enemy accuracy and attack rate for a period of time

[upper galleon]

Cause reality 1 breakpoint isn't going to make your BB useless

You don't get attack speed or saving peril or anything from 6 stacks, just more damage which is great if you are building for it

[restive slate]

Question, anyone uses the Quicken feat?

[potent echo]

I meme'd quickem before but it I missed kb immediately

[upper galleon]

Ehh, not really

It's kinda funny hahah when it works

[potent echo]

The push itself doesn't even last that long even if enemies fall over

[upper galleon]

And you can spam 100% peril F's

[hoary badge]

my whole point was to disagree against this point you made

[restive slate]

Lol that's silly

[upper galleon]

In Darktide

This isn't vermintide

[hoary badge]

#psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

Stop using it as an example when classes are way more hybrid

Yes I'm trading 1 breakpoint to significantly weaken shooters

I am aware of my trade

[restive slate]

Revolver Psyker is how I solve slow bb without KB

[upper galleon]

If I have to play like my teammates are gonna be useless, I'll be stuck playing the hard meta

And not use blazing at all

[restive slate]

I like to play off meta builds

[potent echo]

Play surge

[restive slate]

Ew

[upper galleon]

You mean Illisi build with a taser

[potent echo]

I swapped to it after another psyker brought purge

It still as ineffective as I remember it

Probably should have went trauma

[restive slate]

Even though I heard Surge got buffed to chain two extra enemies, I don't really feel the improvement

Only two staffs I play now, Purg and Trauma

[hoary badge]

when I play like my teammates are useless, regular Damnation queue is enough for me to run my off meta builds

[potent echo]

It kills me when I see psykers do the quick charge purge, they just give the horde a bbq flavour they ain't doing any damage

[upper galleon]

Other way around, normal damnation is the new heresy

[hoary badge]

Auric pubs with non meta builds is asking to be shot in the foot, but even then I don't consider wildfire to be a meme build at all

[upper galleon]

Full of scrubs

Lmao wildfire is not non meta

It's a viable sidegrade just like the rumbler resurgence on ogryn

[hoary badge]

again

not disputing that

[upper galleon]

You did tho

[restive slate]

Rumbler resurgence?

[upper galleon]

Non meta is surge quicken

[hoary badge]

did I?

[upper galleon]

"non meta"

At least use proper terms then don't try to gaslight me cause I'm just gonna block cause you stopped talking about darktide

[hoary badge]

that was in response to you saying #psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

Basically before the maelstrom update rumbler was considered pretty bad

[restive slate]

How did maelstrom buff rumbler?

[upper galleon]

Like, it was probably as useful as it is in hi stg as it in auric

[thorn cedar]

More monsters

More ammo

[upper galleon]

Just not a lot of people experimented with it

[restive slate]

I only recently played Rumbler again so didn't notice

[thorn cedar]

Sort of like how nobody really cared about the Helbores before now.

[upper galleon]

Auric and maelstrom prints infinite ammo if you have a veteran (very common)

[restive slate]

Rumbler fun though as always

[potent echo]

Helbores don't deal with mutants well (I think)

[upper galleon]

It does high damage, good blessings, stunlocks bosses while still dealing damage

[restive slate]

Always fun to trickshot grenades to hit burster around an angle

[hoary badge]

in fact in that subsequent line you're the one saying blazing builds aren't meta

ok

if you're going to be putting words in my mouth then

[hidden crystal]

I had a hunting grounds mission recently with two vets and my MG12 Psyker ended up not having to pick up a single ammo pack.

[upper galleon]

And in the hyper dense scenarios of maelstroms, rumbler is a great tool for creating space while still dealing damage

[hoary badge]

Helbores are bad mostly because Maniacs are plot armor: the class and does silly stuff like reducing damage on Helbores

No other armor class does this

[potent echo]

Autopistol and brautos go brr

[blazing echo]

in fairness so does the gorgon but more of a dakdakdakdak

[potent echo]

I've been flipflopping between gorgon and achyls

Gorgon actually kills things

[upper galleon]

Gorgon for life

[potent echo]

But achyls can deploy so quickly within a switch/slide

[upper galleon]

2 tapping shooters never goes out of style

[hoary badge]

I've been getting a few good Achylsi and been enjoying my time a lot with em

[potent echo]

Also it has alot more ammo for horde brr

[blazing echo]

the Achyls (which I was using) was described to me as the Orgyn flamer without any of the benefits of being a flamer. The gorgon is accurate and packs a punch. love it

[potent echo]

Ah yes that's accurate

[hoary badge]

me and my ogryn buddy ranks the Gorg as the least favorite of the stubbas for feel alone

[potent echo]

A flamer without the infinite cleave

[upper galleon]

Yee but ogryn melee doesnt lack horde clear

[hoary badge]

when the game came out I always felt the Kourk played like a flamer

[potent echo]

I use the slow ass bully club that has hella gaps between heavy swings

[upper galleon]

Even shield and Paul will do okay, but haymaker club

Fucking wonderful

[potent echo]

Yea haymaker can kill but you can't really hold a doorway

[blazing echo]

I love the paul but have been mainly using the BB mk3 Cleaver

[hoary badge]

you can't really pick off targets reliably with it but you stream it into a critical mass and stuff just dies

[humble bolt]

Arm guys arm ERM this is psycho chat not over and chat erm please go to Ogun chat

[potent echo]

Kinda but it can pretend to be a ranged weapon too

Wanna check out zealot chat?

[upper galleon]

True

Got sidetracked

[willow escarp]

Achlys is pretty fun if you use the quickdraw quirk. hold rmb +lmb while you swap to it and it skips most of the draw/brace animation and you go right into dakka

[blazing echo]

we is takin over da place... dis is a infa.. infi.. infoma.. infantry train!

[hoary badge]

zealots are talking... frogs?

[blazing echo]

INFILTRATION

[hollow current]

woah, big man learned a big word

[blazing echo]

boss screamed it in me ear. shes a good boss

[hoary badge]

uh yea sure, please do

one thing about gaslighters is they really like to throw about the term with wild abandon

like wildfire

[hidden crystal]

It's frustrating that a lot of weapons are "balanced" by nerfing their damage against an enemy type that has already always got a large health pool.

[cinder moon]

behold: my gunker

it's hard trying not to look like a 🅱️ondage enthusiast or a pile of robes

[thorn cedar]

you can be both

[cinder moon]

most of the psyker gear is pretty wack; i saw that holster on the jacket, though, and knew what had to be done

[fossil venture]

wich blessings should i replace with slaughterer?

also, is damage not important for the surge staff, or should i keep rolling?

[broken carbon]

i’d say exorcist, and swap one perk for maniac

[broken carbon]

and if i remember right, damage is less important on the surge

[fossil venture]

nice

thanks

[olive ember]

Man psyker chat is coming sorta alive again

What a great day

[near wyvern]

here is my gunker loadout, sorta wild west style

[olive ember]

I think mine is just

The other penance set except the face mask is just the basic bandana

[near wyvern]

dagger needs some buffs, I want this sucker to be good but Deimos is just a better dagger :/

[gusty furnace]

Quick Charge surge attacks apply stagger, well, quicker

[storm mauve]

during boss fights, should i just be spamming brain burst?

[echo cosmos]

Generally, but it depends

[strong tapir]

how to get the cape?

[feral inlet]

if you're using illisi its best to just spam lights or do charged ones, if you have purg apply the stacks and then go for melee, maybe brainburst every so often if you're running celebral

[olive ember]

Is it?

Idr the illisi having that good boss damage but

[near wyvern]

basically, if you have deimos and it's a plague ogryn, you do deimos l1h2, otherwise just stick to the BB spam unless you are tanking a boss

it's not best in terms of DPS but keeps you safe

and always focus ads first if boss is not on you

[north pike]

Stick !

[near wyvern]

you might wanna swap unarmoured for +infested or +flak

[fresh reef]

never thought I'd say this, but I wish we had a bit more red and black
The Inquisitorial color pallete is growing on me

[olive ember]

Btw @near wyvern how’s the guide gonna be like once 10/4 drops and skill trees become a thing

[north pike]

Swapped to flak

[plucky flax]

Helbore is not bad maybe your helbore is weak.

Use a well rolled mk2.

[near wyvern]

gonna change it accordingly as I have the time but not gonna cut my sleep because of the patch

[olive ember]

👍

[fallow dawn]

what perk on surge ?

[near wyvern]

flak

or maniac

[fallow dawn]

ty

[silk flax]

imo maniac. It melts through flak already

[upper galleon]

Crit chance isn't too good either I'd go like, flak maniac

Flak is needed for a breakpoint on the chaining lightning

To one shot multiple shooters and stalkers

And one shot gunners with 6 stacks and warp unleashed I believe

[strong tapir]

what force sword is good for psykers? including blessings/perks

[broken carbon]

deimos or illisi, deimos for single target, illisi for horde clear

Flak/maniac for both, slaughterer for both and the second blessing is up to you, but most usually pick between unstable power and deflector

[strong tapir]

ohh, Deimos might be a fit for my build, since I'm mainly using a lightning staff for hordes

[near wyvern]

ehem... you don't need slaughterer on deimos if you are running trauma or purge

unstable power and +25 maniac is all you need

[broken carbon]

yeah butttttt

BLEHHHHH

owned

[near wyvern]

do I need to link the shit again?

[broken carbon]

idk

do you

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?si=2WxmktHGqK37SyLT&start=35s

[broken carbon]

i ain’t watching allat

[near wyvern]

that's why I time stamped the relevant portion

the rest is just repeat + some other memery

[broken carbon]

blehhhhhhh

[near wyvern]

blehbian

[strong tapir]

what modifiers should I prioritize on my deimos sword?

[upper galleon]

Why would I not take slaught for deimos wtf

Slaught isn't just for mutie oneshot it's for the insane ramp up in horde

It's like sure I don't need it, but it's the best blessing on fswords

[shadow wigeon]

On Illisi

[naive sedge]

Where else you going to get >50% pwoer from?

[upper galleon]

Unless you are running deflector unstable on deimos for like

Swapping power without the ramp up

But building up slaught is great

(plus I'm not a deflector gamer so I take unstable and slaught)

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos already kills what it needs to, and I don't use it on hordes so not building Slaughter stacks.

[shadow wigeon]

Yes

[upper galleon]

Ok

That doesn't like, it's just play style at that point

Do you want more power baseline when peril is high and you swap for one thing

[shadow wigeon]

Using Deimos on hordes is just slow, and it already has single target power with Slaughter.

[upper galleon]

Or do you want ramping power vs melee enemies like bruisers/mixed horde

Like deflector unstable play style I can see

But I take Unstable slaught, because fully ramped H2 is insane

[near wyvern]

slaught executor might be better for that

[upper galleon]

Eww

[near wyvern]

battle mediation eats away your unstable

[upper galleon]

Nah I'm keeping unstable for the "quick swap, swap back" power

[shadow wigeon]

I would not use Unstable there, it's not adding very much.

[upper galleon]

shrug

[upper galleon]

Takes a while to decay if you are edging 80% +

[near wyvern]

not really, goes surprisingly fast to zero

executor + slaughterer you can keep going as long as enemies come in

[upper galleon]

Executor sucks

It's not like knife where you can just aim at head level

Your swing goes into a chest through its arc and poof

[near wyvern]

but hit multiple heads with one swing and you get multiple stacks

it's better than 0

[lucid pewter]

where can I find the new class overhaul stuff?

[near wyvern]

closer to release

[idle aurora]

Wasn't there a plan for a blog post this week?

[gusty furnace]

Not that I'm aware of

[indigo portal]

Nothing official.

[late yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5yhA0Q7W_s

ok, this is too funny

[broken carbon]

eddgginnngggggggg

[broken carbon]

the deimos doesn’t really have any horizontal swings though right?

so you’d lose it anyway

[gusty furnace]

woooo

its sooooo good

@south zephyr

this is like the saddest obscurus in existence

[south zephyr]

@gusty furnace

[dull skiff]

what should I change with this staff for perks? I haven't played since first month of release

[gusty furnace]

Surge doesn't work on trauma's charge attack

it only works on the left click

so since it needs three changes, I'd just pull rending shockwave off it

Otherwise swap surge for Warp Flurry, and weakspot damage to flak

[dull skiff]

Tyy! Means a lot responding to my question so hastily

[shadow wigeon]

If you really want to play with that right now and want it to be stronger, you would replace Surge.

Surge looks cool but doesn't actually do anything great on any staffs right now.

I know it sucks to lost a lvl4 blessing, but if you do choose to replace it, you're not giving up something precious.

[gusty furnace]

Surge is neat at best on the Voidstrike

Statistically speaking, 1 in 3 shots will be double damage if you stay at 80% or greater peril with tier 4 Warp Nexus

But that requires you to edge 80% peril even moreso than the other psyker builds

Otherwise you're just performing worse than a warp flurry voidstrike

[shadow wigeon]

It does WORK on Void, but it doesn't compare too well to Flurry/Transfer

I found that often the second shot had no target also

Which was disappointing

[gusty furnace]

The whole attack has a second shot btw

so you can like

roll the second attack and cleave it into a berjillion flak enemies

and actually kill them if you hit their arms

mechanically speaking, its just double damage on the attack

a little higher, actually. The first ball is critical damaged, the second is regular damage

[shadow wigeon]

Sort of, it's less than double crit, so it's +100% base damage

The issue I found is that in hordes there wasn't always a target for the second bolt, if you are skipping off heads

If you're body shotting, which i guess you could, then you'll always get value

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, sense you don't get transfer peril, body shots is the only way to get value out of it

or spamming it into crushers/reapers

and maulers/ragers all of which is literal pain because the baseline damage is so ass

[shadow wigeon]

Not headshotting Crushers will be worse damage though

mind you crushers you'll almost alwayas get that second hit, i guess

I dunno, it's neat but janky. Void just needs to be better, so that transfer/flurry isn't a default pick.

It is a fun staff

[dull skiff]

would this staff be viable for a duo t5 high intensity?

[shadow wigeon]

Any high stat Purg is very strong, yeah that's fine. You can obviously make one stronger but you will do loads of damage with that.
Duo as in 2 player 2 bots?

I would recommend a Deimos for your melee to deal with big things

[dull skiff]

yes two players. What would I improve for more damage?

[regal jasper]

Blows up pancakes with mind

[shadow wigeon]

Well +unarmored isn't going to matter much.
+unyielding is very strong against bosses.
Burn stat at 76% or more will get you one more stack, which is more damage on anythign big enough to burn that much (bosses mostly)
Terrifying Barrage isn't going to do much (you already have tons of suppresson with Purg)
Instead, Warp Flurry will help keep your flames by making charge faster (and therefore also a bit cheaper) peril wise.

But these are marginal gains on what you have

Focused Channeling is also great on Purg if you want to get right up in mobs faces and flame recklessly.

[dull skiff]

Thank youu! You dont mind me asking more questions for future refernce?

[shadow wigeon]

Go nuts

[acoustic osprey]

t4 shred and flak for meme build?

[fresh reef]

siblings, what do we think of this steam discussions take?

[upper galleon]

idiot steam forum user

I don't even touch forums, haven't for a decade

not worth it

https://tenor.com/view/scum-wretched-villany-tattooine-gif-10985312

like, reddit can be BAD

but steam forums are the worst people both skill and take wise

[fresh reef]

It's like the average stupidity of a level 50 veteran, condensed and then spread across the entire forum

[upper galleon]

like, if you think purge is cancer you need to turn off bloom

[thorn cedar]

there was a thread asking for shredder nerfs on the fatshark forums

the first reply was a guy saying its fine because its bad against carapace

that shit sent me, im laughing again rn even

[upper galleon]

already imagining after the drama about power sword "nerf"

[thorn cedar]

fuck em

[upper galleon]

Lmao

zealot F walks into the room

[spice veldt]

man the takes after the future blessing nerfs will be amazing

[thorn cedar]

im totally fine losing some of these people

[spice veldt]

it will be the best time to be on reddit and this discord

[upper galleon]

I'm quitting after they nerfed pinning fire on my favorite gun from 100% to 50% power

[spice veldt]

make time on your schedule

[fresh reef]

inb4 Power Sword Review Bomb 2: Salt Mountain

[upper galleon]

like, I get it's a pve game, and people and devs like buffing over nerfing BUT

there is definitely a few over achievers that should be lowered or the game would be an entire clown fest if brought to their levels

[spice veldt]

i'm glad i hopped back onto vet to know that people saying that the psword was bad now were talking out of their asses

[thorn cedar]

Fair and balanced weapon

[spice veldt]

i legitimately believe that people who think the psword was bad didn't use it after the nerf and/or don't know that you can sprint while attacking with melee

i like my 0 ammo picked up games on vet by just using the psword all the time

[upper galleon]

they are bad

like, I've spectated relaly, really bad vet players

my gf is one

but that's okay cause she stays in malice and i love her

[regal jasper]

Damn

Thats so sweet

[spice veldt]

damn, love can make you overlook bad vet players

people who can't aim should just play psyker

[thorn cedar]

love can bloom on the battlefield

[regal jasper]

I still miss shots 💀

[spice veldt]

yeah missing shots here and there is fine since you get plenty of ammo and it's really only punishing with weapons like the bolter

but there are some people who just can't grasp the concept of shooting + doing something else at the same time or straight up have aim that is worse than brainbursting

like, I hopped back on vet after playing psyker for almost a year and got the same numbers that I did on psyker in my first few games

[lyric burrow]

theres no way people actually thought psword was bad post nerf right

i figured they were just mad

all that changed was you maybe pushed before charging again

[upper galleon]

i'm legally blind and I can top frag as vet

but I also have good game sense

[spice veldt]

probably the same people who think a non-PC powersword is terrible

or just people who didn't use the psword after the nerf and just jumped immediately into the forums

[upper galleon]

non pc power sword is a weaker illisi

which is still

[lyric burrow]

me when psword has ramapge and slaughterer

[upper galleon]

miles better than most things

[lyric burrow]

tbh i think PC psword is still worse illisi but both are stupid broken

neither require you to understand melee

that might be slight hyperbole but its close

[spice veldt]

if i had to only equip my melee and nothing else, I'd pick the illisi because of the mobility

[lyric burrow]

oh free

its the most do it all weapon

[spice veldt]

but since the psword is also on the class with extremely powerful single-target, I'd rate it above the illisi

and sprint-sliding also circumvents some of the weaknesses of the psword

[lyric burrow]

im introducing my friend to darktide and when he asked about force swords i was like deimos is single target and illisi is horde clear except they both do everything fine anyway lol

[spice veldt]

power creep moment

[lyric burrow]

me when my special light one shots everything except a mutant

yeah psword is weaker on defense but its offense is so good its not a huge deal

[upper galleon]

wtf is h2 on deimos

like an extra 0?

it's insane

[lyric burrow]

plus vet gets strong defense

[upper galleon]

yee basically

[lyric burrow]

less so in melee

[upper galleon]

illisi is the better sword, but vet is the better class

[lyric burrow]

but hes still fine

[spice veldt]

2.5x damage than the usual heavies on deimos h2

[upper galleon]

confirmed kill+ unwavering is bullshit I love to abuse to grind mats now

[spice veldt]

7.5% toughness per melee kill goes brrr

i guess they were attempting to balance out the fact that vet has less relatively regen from coherency

[lyric burrow]

im convinced FS didnt think about what hapened when you used CF and UF together

if VF didnt do 47 other things on top of that it would be slightly less stupid

[spice veldt]

even kf2 purposefully limits the # of times you can extend zed time

[lyric burrow]

but grenade regen + ammo regen + immune to toughness damage + wall hacks + increased damage + potential free reload for slow reload weapons OR insane ogryn and monstrosity damage OR insane general damage + less recoil + its easy to always be in

is a little insane

[spice veldt]

just be like "you can only extend your ult 2-3 times" or some shit

[lyric burrow]

yeah

i think its main issue is being in it 75% of the round for literally playing the game and doing your job

hell it can even make it so ranged enemies ignore you which is outright bad for your team and creates awful habits

the amount of vets i watch get melee'd in the back 5 times before realizing whats happening fucking kills me

theres like 8 things telling you your getting hit in the back 😭

[upper galleon]

when I imagine a vet complaining about melee being too hard

i just think of every pub vet i've ever been with

[hidden crystal]

The ult not starting to recharge until it's over would also help.

(And also not for some reason having a shorter recharge than everyone else's).

[hoary badge]

My bad, poor wording

[upper galleon]

it doesn't, vet just has the longest base duration

same CD speed tho I believe

[spice veldt]

it recharges while the ult is active, and it has a 25-second cooldown compared to everyone else's 30-second cooldown

[upper galleon]

LMAO

[spice veldt]

ikr

extreeeeeemely whack

[upper galleon]

it's still the longest base duration too like

wtf how do people bottom frag as vet

it's so broken

and they can't even go "Oh well you don't play veteran!" but I do I play auric damn and I top frag and I'm blind enough it is hard to discern enemies from backgrounds and my eyesight is blurry but I can still consistently top frag with even a vraks 7

[spice veldt]

i've done the pro move of playing vet so that I can see how broken it is for myself

[storm mauve]

new 30 psyker, whats best melee for mob?

[spice veldt]

illisi force sword; special-heavies are ideal for hordes and most other situations

[hidden crystal]

I will concede that one thing it does sometimes do is screw you over by giving you an empty mag click two shots in. (Unless you take whichever Lvl 30 feat it is).

The other ults don't have quite that same "oops, no" opportunity.

[potent echo]

Heavy light loop has great horizontal pattern

[storm mauve]

danka

[near wyvern]

Yup, Deimos is better at single target and Illisi is better at horde. However, Deimos can deal with horde surprisingly good (especially with Slaughterer) and Illisi with Single targets when you special up.

The thing is, if you already have a horde clear staff, having a horde clear melee doesn't add much, where as being able to annihilate mutants is extremely powerful.

[exotic tulip]

How does quicken work with + ability generation

[dull skiff]

is this viable?

[exotic tulip]

If your warp charges are measured logarithmically yes

[wooden flint]

I was sleepin on gun psyker (Admittedly I was funnelled, but still)

1-1-3-1-3-1 feats

[gritty tree]

what curio stats should I look for?

[wooden flint]

depends on how you play, i prefer toughness on psyker since your biggest threats are usually shooters (and quietude is really REALLY good, especially with kinetic deflection and deflector)

[hidden crystal]

Ah, the "steal all the ammo" strategy.

[wooden flint]

nah without saying anything they just pinged ammo for me. kept trying to get them to pick it up. Zealot makes sense but vet I guess was just regening enough from all the elites/specials I killed

was hi int shock troop so there was a lot

[plucky flax]

Playing autopistol as vet and do more damage while using less ammo.

[wooden flint]

playing vet and doing more damage because ranged weapons aren't passively nerfed to the ground

[plucky flax]

But even using autopistol when playing vet I'd have more than 80 melee kills. It looked like you just shoot at trash horde.

[wooden flint]

I shot everything

[plucky flax]

Yeah and still had less smol shooters killed than the other psyker and the vet.

You do you but it's one of the playstyle I truly hate.

[wooden flint]

ok

[spice veldt]

33k melee damage to 573k 🥲

[wooden flint]

trust me i've had several of the opposite damage splits

I'm testing a build

[spice veldt]

and I'm not a fan of this playstyle

[wooden flint]

obviously i'm gonna try and utilize the part of the build i'm focused on

[humble bolt]

Anyone who uses auto pistol is pathetic

[spice veldt]

but i'm rich

[wooden flint]

I'm gonna take my leave now this is gettin toxic as hell lmao

yall should like.. go back to enjoying the game

[spice veldt]

I enjoy the game when I have ammo

[plucky flax]

It's not that. It's this guy literally only uses range weapon and barely ever touch his melee, using up all the ammo.

[wooden flint]

Bruh yall assume SO much

can't imagine ever playing with people like you

[plucky flax]

It's okay because I won't enjoy playing with people like you.

[spice veldt]

well I can since I have played with you, though you were fine as a zealot if you have the same steam name as your discord name

[wooden flint]

Okay so we've played together, so you know that I don't play like this? Why spout shit like it's absolute then

[spice veldt]

fact is, I enjoy having ammo even if I don't need pickups as a bolter vet

but I wasn't making a statement on you but rather on your playstyle

[wooden flint]

I literally pinged everything before picking it up

I'm fine using melee

they funnelled me

[hidden crystal]

... I appear to have started something, and I did not intend to start something.

[spice veldt]

and I still don't like playstyles that use ammo when melee is appropriate

[wooden flint]

ur chill you didn't start this, this guy did lmao

[spice veldt]

especially for scenarios when bosses can pop up

[wooden flint]

everyone was at max ammo the entire mission

like... idk what else to say

the zealot didn't even go under half

got lucky with a lot of pickups

[regal jasper]

My role as psyker is to constantly blow myself up never pick off far elites and complain when i die die that it was everyone else’s fault right?

[wooden flint]

lmao

[regal jasper]

Oh also complain every time someone kills a enemy i was about to burst

Thats the psykers role in game if im correct

[wooden flint]

Personally I enjoy using trauma staff right on top of my zealot and ogryn teammates, really helps them a lot

Especially at minimum charge so it doesn't kill the enemies and they end up behind em

[hidden crystal]

To be honest, with enough elites/specials and people staying in coherency with a vet, ammo does just appear out of thin air.

This was a Hunting Grounds game a few days back, and while one might interpret my zero ammo pickups as "Oh, it's a psyker", no, I did bring a lasgun:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1148858746227933224/image.png

[regal jasper]

Alright alright

Am I supposed to dc before or after i get downed

[wooden flint]

Yeah and the fact I was mowing down lines of elites contributed to that heavily

[hidden crystal]

Vet's aura does completely break the ammo economy - which, to be honest, if you're being careful about it, isn't that bad to begin with on most difficulties.

[wooden flint]

Frankly I was just having fun mowing everything down with a decently rolled shredder since the one I got on vet is mid af and my zealot has a considerably better alternative to shooting

Also I have a mod that shows other peoples' ammo counts so really it was never an issue of not knowing my team was doing fine. Man now this guy's got me annoyed. Ignorantly spouting "wow you took all the ammo you're the worst kind of player" man piss off with that shit. talk to yall later fuck that guy

[hidden crystal]

If it were up to me, I'd consider buffing the Vet's ammo capacity trait a bit more (at least a full 50%, but possibly more) and instead change their aura to something like extra weakspot damage.

Although also fixing how weakspot damage buffs work at the same time, so that it affects all the damage on a weakspot hit, not just the weakspot bonus.

Vets do need more ammo than other players (they're centered around shooting), but the "ammo out of nowhere" completely negates the drawbacks that are supposed to come with some guns.

[plucky flax]

Fuck you too buddy. 🙂

[hidden crystal]

This would be more in keeping with how other auras work, which are otherwise slight bonuses to certain types of damage (or resisting damage) rather than "crapping laspacks everywhere".

I'm sure that change would result in much wailing, but it's game changing in a way the other auras... well, at least less visibly are.

As I've said in the past, I've often thought "I need to hold near the vet to get ammo back", but seldom have I thought "I need to hold near the Ogryn, I get more heavy attack damage" or even the vice versa of "Hey, I'll give them more elite damage if I stand near them".

[ornate hamlet]

that doo look sick

[regal jasper]

There are cool cosmetics they just cost real $

[hidden crystal]

I am psyker with gun.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1142539064508166154/image.png

[regal jasper]

I don’t like wasting ammo my teammates can use

And voidstrike staff makes me gillglr

Wtf

Giggle

I had a mini stroke typing that

[hidden crystal]

Yes, but I use ammo that my teammates waste.

[regal jasper]

Fair enough

Also its funny watching them fight

Over it

[hidden crystal]

To be honest, I don't generally need much ammo with the MG12 (this one's got a 78% ammo stat) anyway, and how much I use it varies heavily depending on the team composition.

But I've joined a few too many games where no-one brought a decent anti-shooter option, and Vet hasn't thrilled me whenever I've tried to play it. (Let alone finding the energy to grind up decent gear on another class).

[golden tartan]

When u have 3 autopistol allies that dont know how to use melee

"Time to take the ammo for myself"

[restive slate]

Nonzealot Autopistol sprays full clip into a Crusher

[cosmic sigil]

You don't waste ammo o_O

[regal jasper]

No i use a staff

No ammo for me

Just the risk of dying horribly

[olive ember]

It’s to assert dominance

[upper galleon]

Yea I don't use gun psyker cause ammo less is fun

And you can pretend to be helpful when you ping every ammo for your blunt buddies

(and warp unleashed is just good)

[hidden crystal]

The worst I've seen is a vet emptying a recon lasgun into a crusher. Which has a 0% damage modifier against carapace unless you crit - and even then the damage is awful.

Maybe with a vet's increased crit chance and ammo capacity, you could kill one before you ran out of ammo.

[upper galleon]

I can one up you

Ogryn without using/having can opener

Shooting mk2 ripper into crusher

2 whole magazines

Before I finally stopped staring and took my axe out

[hidden crystal]

When it's an ogryn, I can pretend it's roleplaying.

[upper galleon]

He had a shovel and I dont know why there are gunlugger larpers

And like the noise is so bad when your bullet weapon doesnt hurt carapace

I remember the noise the ogryn made to this day

[restive slate]

I love the sound of TING TING TING TING TING in the morning

[upper galleon]

(ting x12) times 20

Then reload and do it again

[hidden crystal]

Even if the tutorials miss out some details, the sound cues in this game are actually pretty good about "That doesn't work" or "you're about to be smacked from behind, pay more attention".

[restive slate]

With can opener I can stab the Crusher to death faster probably

[upper galleon]

I think the tutorial needs to go over armor and general weapons

[upper galleon]

You most definitely can

Kickback and ripper besides 6 deal no carapace damage

Last I checked

[restive slate]

Vermintide 2 prepped me for that, maybe its newcomers to Tide games

[upper galleon]

And ogryn doesn't have a high crit rate either

[restive slate]

Then again... I still have friends who don't dodge

[upper galleon]

Might be b4b folk who only armor is just weakspot armor you need to hit off

[upper galleon]

Vet friend who would never swap to melee unless he literally didn't have ammo

[spice veldt]

i came from l4d2 with riot zombies being invulnerable from the front, so I'm always sus of mechanics like that

[restive slate]

Ripper 6 deals carapace?? How come it's my first time hearing this

[upper galleon]

Maybe it doesn't?

I just know 6, doesn't go can opener

Fuck if I know I hated that mark

[restive slate]

Rarely use 6 haha

[upper galleon]

Mk2 is just satisfying

[restive slate]

Mk2 is classic ripper, mk5 is meta ripper

Mk6 is a ripper

[upper galleon]

MK6 is the high skill unique mark but I'm not playing ogryn to think

All of them are viable

More then viable

[restive slate]

Ngl I tried the Full auto mod with Ripper 6, felt a little easier to use

[upper galleon]

Infact I dare say it's how weapon variants should be

[olive ember]

VI was mid I thought

It’s only II and V that are good

[upper galleon]

VI is the weird kid but it's still good

[restive slate]

I really do like the concept of mk6 with the spread of pellets when braced and such, just needs a bit more to compete with the other two

[olive ember]

Could be wrong I only run slab shield on ogryn so

[upper galleon]

Just, different from the other 2

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper galleon]

Mk5 I just didn't care for compared to 2

Bracing mk2 and just wiping everything in front of you

[restive slate]

5 can snipe which is fun

[hidden crystal]

I've had comparatively few complaints in game about playing gunpsyker (and a few times have been directed that "No, you really can take that ammo").

[upper galleon]

Mk2 can snipe

Eventually

[restive slate]

Most gun Psykers are pretty efficient with ammo

[upper galleon]

I believe the center bullet is always dead on

[restive slate]

Snipe with a cloud of pellets

[upper galleon]

Silo cluster map

The hallway leading to the finale area

[hidden crystal]

Part of it is about knowing when to use the gun and when to smack something with a sword instead.

[upper galleon]

Full of enemies

Bracing your mk2 and just going ham

[restive slate]

Psyker also got that bb to complement the weapons

Pretty balanced I say

More so than Zealot autopistol I dare mention

[upper galleon]

Yee zealot auto pistol is

It's really easy to forget to use it as a sidearm

[restive slate]

Autopistol Knife Zealots

[hidden crystal]

People will be grumpy about a psyker shooting everything and using all the ammo, less so about one who quickly deals with a shooter pack and then gets back to chopping things to bits.

[restive slate]

Poor gunpsyker

[hidden crystal]

It is fun when a load of Reapers turn up and you have an MG12 with Between the Eyes and Ghost as blessings.

For a few moments, you can pretend you're a real vet.

[primal plume]

If a staff has 80% warp resist do you need inner tranquality? I imagine theres diminishing returns

[naive sedge]

I mean, it competes with a damage talent

Any excuse really

[olive ember]

You only use inner tranquility for a specific build

Otherwise from a meta perspective you pretty much always go warp unleashed

[spice veldt]

inner tranq is fairly niche in a post-quelling buffs world

[shy prairie]

goodness I haven't played my psyker in so long I can't even remember what these things are

[spice veldt]

oh you play psyker?

name every feat

[olive ember]

Mfw when I can do that

[spice veldt]

and their description

and their idiosyncrasies

[olive ember]

🤔

I mean

[shy prairie]

psyker was my closed beta class.. I uhhhhhh

[spice veldt]

vet was mines, but I didn't initially like the bolter or potentially running into ammo-less situations with bad teammates

[hidden crystal]

Well, I have a left feat and a right feat.

[spice veldt]

imagine my eyes rolling

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cassandra-pentaghast-disgusted-noise-dragon-gif-5501175

Fucking Arco was a vet main all along

[spice veldt]

of course, now that I'm significantly better at this game, I've decided to hop back onto vet and enjoy my power trip while it lasts

[olive ember]

Wait

Is vet getting nerfed?

[naive sedge]

Well. Surely it must.

[regal jasper]

Cringe

Main psyker

[olive ember]

Zealots have been coping about eviscerator buffs since January and that hasn’t happened yet

[spice veldt]

though it's apparent that they don't really want to do piecewise buffs/nerfs (for a good reason) and that their development time has been split across a bunch of things

[hidden crystal]

They're doing the class overhaul, and that may well include changes to the classes - and there's also talk of possible changes to weapon blessings.

So I guess I should actually use that Pinning Fire autopistol my psyker has before it gets nerfed into the ground.

[spice veldt]

they've got some playtesters for the upcoming patch, and crab has remarked about changes coming to blessings

but yeah i do think that their priorities have been pretty whack especially when it pertains to easily-fixed issues like one-line bugs and whatnot

[olive ember]

But he won’t leak the deets

Can’t believe it

[naive sedge]

Very honorable

[spice veldt]

well he has remarked on precognition becoming better

which makes me quite expectant that it'll receive an effect/buff befitting of its name

[olive ember]

That’s a low ass fucking bar ngl

[regal jasper]

How can i get crab to spill his secrets

[spice veldt]

it's a low bar, but it signifies blessing buffs

which is good enough for me

[olive ember]

Fair

[spice veldt]

i've got some currently bricked transcendants that I hope will become well-performing with the next patch

[olive ember]

@ crab is obscures a god tier weapon in the play tests

Yes?

Thx 👍

[spice veldt]

i've also just been making use of the plasteel bug to spam consecrations on all my high rating items

[restive slate]

Plasteel bug?

[golden tartan]

Heres the problem.

Its only god tier if ur a crab.

(Its duck n dive columnus IAG)

[restive slate]

Crab claws better than human fingers confirmed

[spice veldt]

basically every time you reenter the mourningstar (e.g., going back to the Change Operative screen and back), a portion of stuff spent at Hadron's shrine will be refunded

[shy prairie]

SH

[spice veldt]

lerp

[restive slate]

What if you spend them in char selection with the mod?

[spice veldt]

i haven't tried that since i didn't risk it in case it was some specific interaction

[shy prairie]

arco what is your weapon wisdom for this morning

[spice veldt]

turn on bloom and use the purgatus for some nice visual stimulus to wake yourself up

[shy prairie]

sorry I'm married to the trauma staff

[regal jasper]

Voidstrike my beloved

Ok bye

[shy prairie]

[feral inlet]

swap infested or unarmoured? and obviously swapping sustained fire for blazing spirit

[shy prairie]

i should get one of these..

[cerulean cave]

neither of those blessings are very good on trauma, I don't think

Warp Nexus smacks on surge, because it has critical bonus though

[feral inlet]

im mkaing it into a blazing trauma

[cerulean cave]

ooooh sorry, I overread that

honestly, I think Flak is never a bad pick

[plucky flax]

Infested to crit chance imo.

[cerulean cave]

But I'd keep unarmoured

or crit

[plucky flax]

Just so you have an easier time against dregs shooters.

[cerulean cave]

dunno the base crit of a trauma

[feral inlet]

its 5%

[cerulean cave]

same thought

unless trauma has negative base crit...

[plucky flax]

Flak + crit chance bis perks imo for blaze trauma.

[naive sedge]

Does ranged crit work for trauma?

• trauma's aoe attack

[cold geode]

It does work for me when I use blazing spirit

[plucky flax]

Yeah it increases your crit chance by 4/5%.

[ornate hamlet]

anyone need a surge psyk rn?

[hoary badge]

The Mourningstar's Warp Generators are always open to dedicated operatives, we're almost done with the last batch

[primal plume]

Know how you get into the groove of Psyker and youre just vibing

[feral inlet]

and now this is my blazing trauma (weapon customization to make it look like a voidstrike)

[hoary badge]

Welcome to the Conflag gang

[feral inlet]

took me more tries to get blazing spirit than warp nexus4 and warpflurry4

[hoary badge]

Rending Shockwave made me actually work for it through grueling levels of Brunting

[hoary badge]

Still waiting on the next meta upheaval the moment they uncap the bars

[naive sedge]

hope they do'nt and its just auto-max reds

[hoary badge]

I've read it was conceptualized as an overclock system

I'm imagining being able to allocate points into uncapping specific mods while eating into your other mods at twice the rate

Or maybe you just download ram sticks blessed by the Omnissiah into your axe and it lets you slide better

[reef crow]

the reason why i chose this voiceline character for the psyker

[fossil venture]

i come here again seeking knowledge

the fuck is soul blaze? what applies it and what does it do

[feral inlet]

soul blaze is applied by warpfire, purgatus, blazing spirit blessings

its a DOT that stacks up to 16 dmg

16 stakc

s

its pretty good

[fossil venture]

so no points in playing with it as a surge staff user i guess?

[hoary badge]

on the contrary ascendant blaze is pretty common pick on Surge to supplement its lack of hordeclear

Blazing with an XL Hexastacked Warp Battery will raze a handful of elites and anything else along with it to the ground

[naive sedge]

But please note that using the ult with 3 warp charges will fail to kill anything

[fallow falcon]

Blessings could be better, but this looks acceptable at least

Any suggestions for an ideal duelling sword?

[plucky flax]

Shred uncanny strike. Maniac + specialist.

[fresh reef]

hoping and praying we get some new penance armors whenever October rolls around

[fallow falcon]

Considering that the current penance armour is tied to your class abilities, its very likely that we'll see new ones for the new abilities

[potent echo]

To clarify, uncanny strike is a rending buff on yourself right?

[plucky flax]

Yep. Let you deal with crushers pretty effectively.

[broken quail]

Used to put it on my force sword. I wasn't an unstable power believer and didn't want any blessings that drop stacks on miss

[plucky flax]

I always run deflector slaughterer with force sword but if I was to not run deflector it'd either be shred and uncanny

Speaking about illisi cos I prefer it over deimos.

[olive ember]

unstable power is normally what you take

if you aren't taking deflector

[cinder moon]

emperor just gave me this, anything worth saving?

[near wyvern]

Ehh

Duelling Swords are not in a good place right now. Better to bank it than sell it since you don't do anything with 1k dockets either.

[cinder moon]

word

hadron won't give me deflector 3 or 4 so i figured maybe emperor was trying to tell me something

[hidden crystal]

Eh, Deflector tier means so little.

For a long time I was using an Illisi with T1 Deflector on it. I've got something else now I think is going to replace it, but as reports imply the block reduction is only for ranged or entirely bugged (I've heard both), T1 Deflector is entirely usable.

[cinder moon]

i've previously read that it's bugged, so i don't want to rely on a bugged feature

would rather have deflector 3 or 4 in the event it is bugged and gets fixed

[hidden crystal]

I may try to test it in the Psykanium at some point to see what the circumstances are.

If it is bugged, I suppose it depends on how it's bugged, but unless they completely change how it works, the cost reduction still seems mostly tacked on to the basic "block bullets" functionality as a way to have tiers.

Now, if the different tiers did something like provide more resistance to Block Bypass, that would be a different matter.

(e.g. T1 could only block standard attacks, but T4 could block overheads or sniper rifles like an Ogryn shield - that would be a big consideration).

[cinder moon]

that would be interesting

[strong tapir]

is it possible to finish the monstrosity brain burst penance with the weakened versions in some maelstrom runs?

[lyric burrow]

uh im not sure actually

assuming they still count as montrosities then probably although soloing one will be hard cause if pretty much anything damages it you wont be doing 90% of the damage

cause the health pool is so low

[cinder moon]

if they spawn as separate monstrosity entities with a lower HP pool, it shouldn't matter, but if they're the regular monstrosity entity that spawns at 75% HP or whatever, it might not count

shouldn't it be possible to get it on a daemonhost? just have a shield ogryn trigger it

[strong tapir]

is daemonhost the best way to go about finishing it on a private game?

[cinder moon]

it should proc on one, so i'd say yes

[plucky flax]

Not me I am veri pro.

[strong tapir]

alright, I'll try it out with a friend, thanks!

any notable feats that improve bb damage?

[lyric burrow]

yeah you wanna have a shieldgryn pull the daemonhost and then you just BB it from distance

KB/WB/WU are your best bets

you can BB at 97% without blowing yourself up although unless you have true peril mod id do it at 96 since sometimes 97 can be inconsistent with darktides rounding of peril

WB is warp battery WU is warp unleashed and KB is kinetic barrage in case you dont know

actually i wonder if lacerations is worth?

[plucky flax]

I have true peril and blew up too many times at 97% now I'm doing below 95% just to be safe.

[lyric burrow]

ok nvm

just do 95 then

[plucky flax]

I duno if it's server or whatever but that shit is very annoying.

[lyric burrow]

96 is usually safe for me

but we will see

if that continues

[plucky flax]

Yeah well when it's 97% I just do 1 more tick and usually that takes it to 92% or so.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its not a huge deal

[granite mauve]

I bet absolutely nothing that we'll get them

[hollow depot]

Whats the best things to have on a staff

also best build for psyker, asking for a friend

[olive ember]

Depends on what staff you are using

[feral inlet]

what feats do i run with blazing trauma?

ive been using this (kinetic deflection because i have deflector)

[analog agate]

That is typical

[upper galleon]

i take communion cause ascendant blaze generation is weird

but your build is great!

[fresh reef]

Personally I prefer 233223. Generally don't have much issue with keeping warp charges up

[upper galleon]

blazing trauma build

also wrack and ruin is just bad WU is great

[fresh reef]

I run the same build with both purg and blazing trauma

[upper galleon]

that's weird

wrack and ruin but no ascendant?

[fresh reef]

Disagree

[fresh reef]

WR stacks infinitely by itself, and the more mixed the horde the more value it generates

Cerebral lacerations is also there to cover a couple of breakpoints at 4WC

Namely hounds and flamers

[upper galleon]

Killing an Elite or Specialist with Brain Burst applies 4 stacks of Soulblaze to all enemies within 4 meters of the target.

oh does CL apply to the BB itself?

[fresh reef]

Is the description still fucked? It's on hit and on kill

[upper galleon]

I know it's on hit still

[fresh reef]

CL applies to all damage, so technically yes

[upper galleon]

but the DoT isn't worth the 10% flat to 25%

10% at 0 peril

[upper galleon]

that's not what I asked

[fresh reef]

To the initial hit, no

[upper galleon]

is it not like fullbore, where the BB that applies it doesnt get the boost

yea so what BP

hounds take 2, flamers take 2 with this

[fresh reef]

The 25% damage increase applies to soulblaze

[upper galleon]

without CL too

4 stacks of soulblaze is a weak dot

[fresh reef]

It isn't efficient, mind, but it's there

[upper galleon]

the math doesn't check out