psyker-class

[plucky perch]

nightmaiden?

what ever the elf one is

[viral solstice]

god i love just going afk on voidstrike

nobody knows if ur doing well or not cos its voidstrike

pure vibes

[spice veldt]

it explodes so you're probably contributing

[viral solstice]

im hard caryin

i forgot kinetic flayer tho

how can i do the funny without the ufnny

[plucky perch]

even along side a big un on damnation i tend to net the most chaff kills with a void strike

so i never feel COMPLETELY useless witha void strike

[viral solstice]

ur just not tryin hard enough

i can achieve hitherto unheard of levels of useless

[plucky perch]

that and tagging shooter groups to wipe most of em in one satisfying crunch sound is...enjoyable

i TEND to

ive also netted the fewest kills in every catagory and had lowest team score

cause i was lagging behind the team charging shots

[spice veldt]

sprint-sliding should alleviate that

since they fixed it so that you have the jorts with voidstrike now

[thorn cedar]

lmao

had someone ask if i was cheating or using a mod cause i was doing that with BBs last night

happy to educate him that you can just do that

there's so much silly tech to this game honestly

not that im complaining

[mild kestrel]

hello can some one pleases explain to my how to complete Keep Your Distance ?

[thorn cedar]

which one is that

[plucky perch]

easy

stay FAR away

if they get close

run

[spice veldt]

elites are:

• Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers
• Scab/Dreg Gunners
• Scab/Dreg Shotgunners
• Scab/Dreg Ragers
• Scab Maulers

so ragers are really the only ones that you have to worry about

[mild kestrel]

so honds and mutents dont count ?

[spice veldt]

nah, they're "specialists"

well, i'm pretty sure that the penance refers to elites and only elites, but you never know

[mild kestrel]

thank you

[spice veldt]

since the game does like to use "elites" to refer to both elites and specialists sometimes

but that's usually only for feats

[mild kestrel]

it sys just elites

[spice veldt]

they could certainly improve the feedback on sprinting while channeling, since sprinting changes your speed from 1.6 m/s to a whopping 2 m/s

oh wait i guess there's the fov change, but i have my fov changes turned off

[viral solstice]

they should do this

when ur channelling

and u sprint

u float in the air like 10cm

otherwise nothing changes

[plucky perch]

that would actualy be an incredibly useless but cool detail

[spice veldt]

truly unhinged

[viral solstice]

i was doing the most damage with my devastating rashad techmology's

but then i died trying to manfight four ragers in a grenade

pensive

[spice veldt]

pensive

[cyan notch]

just put anime sprint lines when u press sprint pretty ez imo

[viral solstice]

they should make it illegal for grenades to hurt me

[spice veldt]

real dangerous for whoever we run into

[cyan notch]

[viral solstice]

they should add a force katana

and its activation is a hold sheathing thing and when u release u do some sick anime bullshit and then say something in japanese and nobody understands what u mean

this would without a doubt save darktide

u know what would be a sick blessing, letting u use the activation of ur force sword as a parry

[cyan notch]

as a lore afficionado i will have to say that is blasphemous

[spice veldt]

the dclaw has infected your brain stem

[viral solstice]

and also when u do it u pres s adirection and if u do it with good timing u can chop them into a thousand pieces and pull out their spine

and its full of gatorade for some reason

[cyan notch]

bros been watching too many mk1 trailers

[sterile vale]

Bring back the samurai IG

[viral solstice]

[plucky perch]

power swords got an aniome vibe if you use it on a single target. ya power up your blade then draw it back and finaly cut your openent in twain

thats totatly anime

[spice veldt]

my pre-nerf bloodthirsty giving my sword swooshy sounds for 5 seconds

[viral solstice]

then it should be more animes

do u want to see the high level calculations that go on in the mind of a voidstrike mastermind

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1pTHZd7P5LvNbu/d1337nKFKtTx?invite=cr-MSxsdXMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

very few people are capable of such striking

[broken carbon]

"high level calculations"
straight line

lmfao

[viral solstice]

nono

you're missing the advanced science

[broken carbon]

something something

pythagorean theorem

woah i spelled that right first try

[viral solstice]

look at where the healthbars are

and when the third one appears

the dude hitting me triggered an accidental shot which kinetic flayered the rager it hink lol

[spice veldt]

no voidstrike is just that op

[viral solstice]

sorry intentional shot

[spice veldt]

spread this video around

[broken carbon]

ohhhhh

lmfao

[broken carbon]

i am still yet to try it out

i only just used the surge for the first time

cant tell if i like it or not

[spice veldt]

i think i quit surge the moment i realized that it didn't hit as many enemies as i thought it did

cuz it used to apply a scorched effect to basically every enemy you hovered your mouse over

[broken carbon]

fair

trauma still best imo

[spice veldt]

and i just copied over surge psykers at that time cuz they were surging hordes and i thought that was what you were supposed to do

and i realized the horrible truth

[broken carbon]

lmfao

its a weapon that just feels like

im relegated to saving other people

rather than killing

[spice veldt]

the non-deterministic targeting and low target limit is a real banger

[viral solstice]

i mean maybe its non-deterministic for u

dont make me show u the future of surge staff

idk if i have a surge staff

but ill do it

whatever "it" is

[spice veldt]

truly threatening

[plucky perch]

ironicly long term your surge staff will pull off some great damage numbers, the downside it it sets EVERYTHING up for an easy kill by your party, so if your in it for the kills they ALL belong to your team mates

[plucky flax]

Bruh this is a juicy one.

Please don't fuck it up.

[spice veldt]

FUCK IT UP, HADRON

[plucky flax]

Playing bg3 but gotta log in to RNG this meme.

LOL

RNG bless me this day. I think the gods of BG3 smile upon me.

[spice veldt]

hacker

[plucky flax]

I can literally get godrolled blaze trauma.

[viral solstice]

ok easy dub 5 suicides

showin these ingrates whats up

surge staff cant get surge blessing can it

now THATS the tragedy

[plucky flax]

I'm gonna leave it on 4% crit chance for the memes.

(In case they add blazing spirit 4)

[viral solstice]

blazing spirit 5

[plucky flax]

Tru

Tier 5 blessings and perks for red weapons.

Perfect for sedition low intensity grinding.

[left olive]

whats better voidstrike or flame staff

[feral inlet]

purgatus

[viral solstice]

voidstrike, it strikes voids

ok fuck this even using surge as a joke is miserable, i cant even do it ironically

[plucky perch]

ya know what would be a cool buff to the void strike? putting a void in it have it do a decent aoe pull torwards its center when it explodes. gives its blast radious some acual use

[fresh reef]

Why, in the ever-loving fuck, does Voidstrike only have T3 Blazing Spirit with no access to T4?

[heavy wigeon]

Voidstrike seems even less useful than surge, speaking as a non-psyker having to deal with psykers using them.

[plucky flax]

Because trauma is the same. For some reason staff blazing spirit stops at 3.

It's stupid but FartShart.

[plucky perch]

its got a unique roll among the staffs range limitless horde clear plus one tapping 3/4ths a shooter patrol ect. downsides is no aoe damage to armour like a trauma or surges sheer crowd control and massive armour/unyielding damage. that and its the easiest to use and suffers less jank the surge or trauma

still arguably the worst staff

but it is my favourite

[heavy wigeon]

Every time I've seen someone running it they just insist on only using it.

Throwing enemies everywhere, knocking around hordes that were already controlled.

And then getting clipped by a poxwalker that they knocked behind them.

[plucky flax]

Can void throw mobs around?

[plucky perch]

are you thinking of the trauma? void hits in a line that tends to kill all chaffe/medium mobs it touches the ones it throws are eleites and specials

[heavy wigeon]

Ahh sorry.

It's the one with a blast radius indicator on the ground.

[plucky perch]

yeah thats trauma

[heavy wigeon]

My mistake.

[fresh reef]

I can't get on to check, but I'm 99.5% sure that Trauma has access to T4 Blazing

[plucky perch]

it requires more skill to use, a good trauma user wont be tossing mobs around behind ya but instead thunking 6 crusher deep mixed mobs while also dealing full damage to all 6 to death

but truama is harder to use well with out that issue

[plucky flax]

Nope only t3. I am trauma main.

[heavy wigeon]

I see. Explains why I've seen more bad than good ones.

[fresh reef]

I am also a trauma main, and I distinctly remember having an internal dialogue about how I'd cope with only being able to roll the T3 version

[plucky flax]

A well-rolled trauma 1 shot all the trash mobs.

So that guy is just unfortunate to have a low damage one.

[plucky perch]

a good one will one shot eveyr mob in its blast radious almost and carry as an anti heavy/specia/eleite almost as well as a boltor vet

while also ccing the entire map

[heavy wigeon]

They also just tunnel visioned a lot.

[plucky perch]

tunnel vission is admitedly a weakness for many psykers and is partialy due to the charging nature of our staffs

[plucky flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgfIfprkX_o

[heavy wigeon]

As vet I ended up swapping to melee often because they'd keep using it point blank.

[fresh reef]

Sometimes I really do think Psyker is too easy, but then I remember if I get breathed on the wrong way I die

[spice veldt]

i got tilted by a trauma psyker when meleeing as vet

since they would constantly just put their trauma circle on me

even though I was running the psword

though i am basically just tilted by pub trauma psykers all the time

i had one in my last game who blew up bursters on two occasions on the other teammates

[plucky perch]

a GOOD trauma user can clutch so hard, as seen above

[fresh reef]

Hope I'm not one of em

[spice veldt]

and i saw him put his circle on bursters i was pushing multiple times

and almost blew me up if not for the fact that he couldn't aim it for shit

[plucky perch]

i do not use trauma, because i am not a good trauma user, i know its strengths and can use it to good effect but not best effect

[fresh reef]

How do you miss the thing that runs forward at a constant speed with a giant fucking circle

[spice veldt]

tbf i was at elevation

[fresh reef]

Wait so they were below you or?

Because I'm def reading that wrong

Unless they were just that incompetent

[spice veldt]

oh i was above them

[plucky perch]

trauma doesnt aim up stairs well

[fresh reef]

WHAT

[plucky perch]

infact it cant even aim up walls

[viral solstice]

staff blazing spirit is capped at 6 stacks max, melee at 12, so they just cap staff blazing spirit at t3 @ 3 stacks

[plucky perch]

unless your aiming at max range

[viral solstice]

it ees wat it ees

[spice veldt]

it is extremely sketchy to aim a trauma at a stair if you're up close to the stairs

like if the stairway goes up long, then it's fine

but if it goes up a little bit and then onto flat ground, then it's sketchy to aim it onto that flat ground if you're too close

[fresh reef]

Trauma can effortlessly CC 6 crushers and 5 maulers while killing most of the trash mobs around it, yet at the same time is terrified of a metal staircase

[plucky perch]

dont forget corogated stair ways can cause your aiming circle to drop through them

[spice veldt]

orchestrated by the anti-trauma legion over at the mapmaking team

[plucky perch]

not to mention also taking off a third or more of all their health per 1.3 second blast

[plucky flax]

Yeah don't use trauma at stairs.

[fresh reef]

I will use trauma at stairs

[plucky perch]

i say give us a trauma mk that free aims

[fresh reef]

Aim issue

[spice veldt]

more like a fifth or sixth of their hp on crushers

and every 1.9 seconds since there's 0.6 seconds of downtime after each cast

you can quell cancel to remove ~0.3 seconds of the downtime if you have frame-perfect inputs

but trauma's DPS does depress me a lot

i am only half serious when i ask for bolter to be given to psyker

[plucky perch]

still one of the fastest to charge and deploy and repeat staff it honestly feels like the jot staff

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1pU5JfXOg-5cg4/d1337RpMxvXB?invite=cr-MSxmUXQsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

she never escaped this mission...

she simply died...

much too think about...

[spice veldt]

you killed all of your teammates

[viral solstice]

but i told them why afterward

[fresh reef]

Imagine the psi collar fails and now there's just a massive daemon in the storm raptor

[viral solstice]

even worse

what if theres just like... a medium sized skunk

[plucky perch]

*valkary takes off into the air second or two later muted "thoomp" valkary slowly starts to nose dive

[fresh reef]

No, what

Skunks are bros

[viral solstice]

thats the thing

the skunk doesnt know them

they get the stink before they make friends

and then the valkyrie smelly for weeks

[fresh reef]

Surely in the 40k time line we've invented whatever the gigachad version of tomato soup is

Just one quick coat

[plucky perch]

nope worse it summons a demoncly pissed honey badger

normal sised

just very angry

[fresh reef]

First thing it goes for is the Ogryn's jugular

[stone totem]

I'm ngl even auric operatives don't stand a chance against honey badgers

Have you seen those things fight

[fresh reef]

Question to the people who know more 40k lore than me, what is a Wyrmwood operative? Seen them mentioned in a couple mission briefings

[plucky perch]

dragon plants

big uns

[heavy wigeon]

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_8OPzy1Q4QA4oSerKSUCFpgdLg1kUYFA

[fresh reef]

Real

Completely forgot they dropped these

[heavy wigeon]

Fatshark likes when you forget.

[plucky perch]

any of yall familiar with the psyker ability in table top known as crush? i want that for a staff. just one single target crunch

[charred hamlet]

does anyone know if the weaker monstrosities in maelstrom count for the malleus penance?

[wheat wren]

It sounds like a character

[fresh reef]

They do

[charred hamlet]

perfect, ill have to see if i can ever manage a private lobby to do that lol

[fresh reef]

I'll help ya rn if ya want

[charred hamlet]

idk if the right mission is in rotation yet

[west nacelle]

does anybody else just feel like BB is situational as hell and that it doesn't fit your playstyle?

becasue i feel that

can't fuckin wait to get a new blitz

[finite ravine]

What blitz ?

[west nacelle]

the BB is a blitz and i can't wait to get the one that is coming out which will give us a shard to use instead

something like the wistle arrow from GOTG

[finite ravine]

how you know that ?

[sterile vale]

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-dont-think-players-expect-this-warhammer-40k-darktide-is-adding-rpg-style-skill-trees-full-of-new-abilities-to-its-4-classes

[wheat wren]

I’m going to speculate that one of the psyker shield abilities will allow you to put points into healing. It might just be a toughness heal if it happens.

[upper galleon]

yee i don't see them doing actually HP heals unless it's something like HR

[wheat wren]

Could even do something like increasing damage

[plucky perch]

i hope the smite ability is more target general then surges armour only

[sterile vale]

I'm interested if there's going to be a crit-centric branch for psyker, should be fun to combine with a surge voidstrike staff

[viral solstice]

they should just make warp nexus a feat

and not a blessing

so u can live that crit life

[plucky perch]

now that were getting an aoe blitz in the chained lightning smite, i hope we get a single target staff

[viral solstice]

@spice veldt thoughts on this vital documentary footage of crustacean activity

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1pWQ1py0by9yMb/d1337HUl6zUl?invite=cr-MSxpVXksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

i think it contains all the essential elements that make the psyker truly a force to be reckoned with

[plucky perch]

i suspect only ONE of our new class abilities will allow peril venting

[viral solstice]

thank god, i need to lose ways of losing peril

i dont explode enough

[plucky perch]

so i suspect many many many a psyker is going to to do a mind blowing magic trick

[viral solstice]

well i got technology

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YNA8hd2NmEhu1/d1337Orns2jk?invite=cr-MSxvcmMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

the heretics are not ready

[plucky perch]

omfg LOL

do you just have your self set to record 24/7 and clip the best parts?

[viral solstice]

i pretty much clip all my funny suicides because i explode a lot

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YF6yLRnye89v_/d1337azN5GX0?invite=cr-MSxrN0wsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

people hold on to life too tightly

[plucky perch]

im legit loling

your a walking krak grenade

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ay9Pe7sQMMhq7/d1337pDo3m39?invite=cr-MSxQazMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

and of course if god gives u ur life

u spit in his face and throw it back

[plucky perch]

truth be told i MIGHT tempt fate quite often on purpose when firing my staf into a horde

cmon what are the chances these 40 dead pox walkers dont trigger my passive? higher then i thought? ok thoomps

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/WYcFxrITWpK5y/d1337Rh9n4M9?invite=cr-MSw0ZXgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

u gotta get out the calculator

[plucky perch]

did your mind explosion kill the hound and trigger your passive?

[viral solstice]

the ways of the warp

[plucky perch]

you detonating your self mid mutie grab is perhaps my favourite darktide clip of all time

[viral solstice]

u just gotta make sure u follow ur abs

always be suiciding

[strong gulch]

Iconic tbh

[plucky perch]

honestly i wish they would turn the mind explosion into a full fledged nuke, psykers building for wounds specficly to detonate them selves when needed in auric mealstrom would be HILARIOUS

[viral solstice]

what i think is they should make the explosion proportional to what % of ur life the wound u lost represents

so 0 wounds = way more damage

[thorn cedar]

the backstreet boys cover in the background

[viral solstice]

because u can do it less

[thorn cedar]

nice touch

[viral solstice]

[thorn cedar]

teeell me whhhyyyyeee explods

[primal radish]

is soulblaze IV on trauma staff able to be rolled? or is it like blaze away where it goes only to 3

[plucky perch]

only up to 3

[primal radish]

ah dam

spent plasteel rolling fo 4 o hwell

[plucky perch]

yeah and the soulblaze cap for stafs is 6

[viral solstice]

imagine if u could put a laser sight on ur voidstrike

or duct tape a torch to it

[thorn cedar]

just constantly hold down the charge and sprint slide around

then when u need it u can immediately blow urself up

[viral solstice]

as i read that

i blew myself up

[plucky flax]

Clearly weak minded.

Can't resist the demons.

[unreal wasp]

Most current iteration of Psyker Cop. Flatter moustache and fuller eyebrows.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/892226587624366081/1142852825915871242/image.png

Being a melee aggressive psyker and being able to easily melee hordes but then all of your associates are down and you have to snapshot the Trapper that's rushing at you through the crowd.

https://youtu.be/By_T39ENlkg

[viral solstice]

for some reason i didnt have that penance

i think because i always just do it at random

so i secured it quickly and somebody in voice chat was gettin a lil hype

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1pXBPgMTHmuqIz/d1337zkztLk3?invite=cr-MSxlRFcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

there u go

just to rep

[thorn cedar]

POW!

i also dont have it

it is the last achievement i need

but i am too good and never die, sadge

cursed with success

[viral solstice]

ive had at least 3 suicides every single psyker game ive played today

work on it

[slate sun]

I tried to wear the pants without the skull attached, but I just end up missing Wilson. How can anybody play without him is beyond me.

[strong gulch]

Was there a change to the way Bulwarks are staggered by trauma staff?

[north cradle]

I felt that

Despite Psyker being one of the two "ranged" classes, I play him melee eighty percent of the time

Don't jump down my throat tho, rest assured I play Veteran the complete opposite. I only go melee if my teammates aren't able to hold back the horde before they reach me

[hollow current]

siblings, pray to the emperor for me

[north cradle]

Tasty

[hollow current]

swapped out crit damage for maniac and t4 Riposte for t4 Slaughterer

[charred hamlet]

alright what counts for this: is it when you hit 100% or is it actually when the psycker puts their hands up to their face

[hollow current]

when you go into the splody animation but hit your emergency warp nut button

[charred hamlet]

okay alright

ive just been doing that whenever i hit 100% but i gotta actually edge my warp

ty

[hollow current]

if you got a buddy you can do it at the start of a private mission until you get it

[charred hamlet]

i mean its not hard to do i can just do it casually lol

i just need to make sure i was doing it right xD

[lilac mirage]

Melk is selling this should i buy atm i play Purgatus

[upper galleon]

hands up

[spice veldt]

delta-p strikes again

[shadow wigeon]

Use Purgatus and go above 100% every time your ult is up.

Odds are you'll catch a bunch via Meditation and get it done quicker

[runic juniper]

excuse me if im just now noticing something people have seen since launch, did anyone know about the laspistol special attack being a force push for psyker?

a 10m one that builds peril too

I always assumed it would just be the same as one for a vet or zealot

[shadow wigeon]

I suspect a lot of people don't know

[runic juniper]

wondering if it will push through walls, specifically for poxhounds pounced on teammates

so I dont have to hold and waste my ability for them

[shadow wigeon]

Interesting... I have not experimented with it at all. Good question.

I have only seen someone talk about it here once, ever... not a lot of las pistols fans

[spice veldt]

it requires you to aim so clearly it is not the weapon for me

[runic juniper]

I ignored it with my poor hitreg, a gun that rewarded headshots much more than bodies was horrible when I couldn't hit an enemy walking left or right of me

recently got a new isp that made it a lot better

but a ranged weapon that builds peril is really nice for the peril feats. Always had to bring an illisi sword if you wanted to chain high peril with a gun

[shadow wigeon]

IIRC it's a bit slow to build peril but you easy enough to maintain peril

if you want to squeeze out an extra 10% damage or so

[runic juniper]

It's definitely enough to push bursters and hounds from across a room, bit more powerful than a purg m1

[ornate hamlet]

does warp nexus affect all of my weapons?

[spice veldt]

nah, blessings no longer affect all weapons (with some exceptions and bugged ones), and warp nexus not being an exception

[runic juniper]

you'll see it give stacks when you have the weapon equiped in the bottom left

[spice veldt]

i know that handcannon on the revolver is one that also affects your melee

[runic juniper]

pretty sure the slight rework they did to crucian roulette fixed it affecting your melee

[shadow wigeon]

Given how niche it is I wonder how long it'll be before it's fixed. I think it's been around for awhile now too.

[shadow wigeon]

That's neat. I don't like the laspistol but im glad that push is decent.
You might surprise people if you actually use it in a game

[sonic coral]

how are people getting the peg leg cosmetic?

I don't see it anywhere, penances, commissary or shop

[celest hedge]

i thought it was a one of the premium cosmetics, it might have cycled out of the shop since I noticed one outfit on each class isn't there anymore

[sonic coral]

weird, I thought they had the shop set up to where everything was available at any given time

oh well

[celest hedge]

also speaking a bit on guns, I miss when psykers could use the shotgun back in the beta, it was really nice for dealing with shooters which I felt was where hard to deal with, single headshot is an easy kill, and you can chain them easily

Groups of shooters aren’t as hard to deal with with improved BB and also staffs, but it was fun

[restive slate]

Lawbringer special triggering brainburst is a joy

[unreal wasp]

Justice dispensed.

[restive slate]

Them shoulder plates tho

[unreal wasp]

Is kind of funny that the class that people think of as being the squishiest has the thickest torso armor

(Personally think Psyker is extremely tanky depending on how you play)

[restive slate]

Psyker has always been SUPER STRONG when played right and SUPER WEAK when in a bad spot

[unreal wasp]

Melee aggressive psyker is extremely fun

[restive slate]

What's your prefered melee?

[unreal wasp]

Illisi for the cleave + deflector blessing

[restive slate]

Yep that's a fave alright

[analog agate]

After doing Arcotash’s melee build I haven’t looked back. Though I still do use my staff and bb more than him.

[upper galleon]

It's actually armor to help ur head not explode or something idk just guessing

[spice veldt]

whack whack

me not using my staff is fucking me over a lot, so i have been trying to remedy that

[unreal wasp]

Could also be armor that uses my brain sparklies to protect me better

Power armor, if you will

[magic hull]

A or B

[near wyvern]

Check you have 360 flak, combined with +25% flak perk you can one shot all regular mobs on a heavy or a push attack head shot

For a psyker the best way to use the knife is abuse kinetic deflection and our quick stamina regen and spam that push attack on it since it does the same as a heavy attack but swings twice as fast

If left one has 360 flak weakspot I would go with left, change +weakspot into +flak and precog into uncanny strike

[plucky flax]

Just surge more horde including.

[spice veldt]

oh right, you're awake at this time

[plucky flax]

Me bri ish

[spice veldt]

tsk tsk

[river sand]

heyho, havent played for quite some time. is wildfire fixed or still useless ?

[spice veldt]

hasn't been changed at all

unfortunately

[plucky flax]

I think it's good. Don't let the haters bring you down.

[plucky flax]

Assassin boss getting bullied hard
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uyb6u8BRJCk&feature=share8

[last cradle]

I'm stupid, can someone tell me how its numbers are higher with lower damage modifier

[feral inlet]

first target

first target is just a dmg multiplier

78% to 80% dmg is lik maybe +1/+3 dmg

70% to 80% first target is maybe a +(x1.03) dmg mult

[last cradle]

Ah I see, so the numbers at the top are a calculation of the total modifiers

[feral inlet]

yeah

[quiet galleon]

what should i change on this Deimos

[whole oxide]

I'd say Carapace to Maniac and Slaughterer 3 to 4, unless you really really want Deflector, in which case keep slaughterer t3 and put Unstable to deflector

[viral solstice]

change it... INTO A DEVIL CLAW

[vestal rose]

I'd keep unstable and change slaughterer to uncanny or deflector since I just use the deimos to bop big dudes

If you wanna horde clear with it though then yeah keep or even upgrade slaughterer

[green carbon]

Got this on psyker after a mission. Game thinks it's being funny.

[thorn cedar]

Hot take but Psyker probably makes the absolute best use of Chainsword of any class.

Best use =/= good but what I mean is that our Warp Charge bonuses + Warp Unleashed gets you to some neato breakpoints on Chainsword rather effortlessly.

Such as sawing Mutants in half.

So if you're bored of Force Swords and you've got a staff or BB heavy build, it's a nice compliment.

[green carbon]

Ye I'll probably play around with it eventually, see how it feels.

[thorn cedar]

You too can be a hipster!

There's also other breakpoints but I can't remember them and cbf lookin them up rn lol

[hidden crystal]

If anyone's looking to get Malleus Monstronum, there's a Heresy level Maelstrom with Monstrous Specialists for the next 18 minutes.

[charred hamlet]

im planning on using a health and toughness curio, on the third should i use another health or instead a wound one?

[green carbon]

Honestly, it's a matter of preference I'd say. If you trust yourself not to go down, another hp, toughness, or even stamina is a good choice.

I don't even really run hp curios since as a psyker I don't really wanna be in a position where that would make a difference in the first place, maybe just me though.

[charred hamlet]

hmm

[green carbon]

I run toughness/wound/stamina myself

[feral inlet]

personally i run 2tough 1hp curio
(+5% tough +5% max hp) x 3
20% sniper res x 1
30% toughness regeneration x 2

[charred hamlet]

oh true i could go double tough

[green carbon]

Assuming you play psyker as a backliner, the way most people do, toughness has bigger value since it fully tanks ranged shots

[charred hamlet]

i think im more up front on average than backlining

im just thinking of ways to reduce their squishiness

[feral inlet]

with my 2tough1hp and perks i can have

156 tough 198 hp

(not perfect yet)

[plucky flax]

It's all your preference. I use triple hp curios giving me 261hp.

[green carbon]

Yeh, on psyker it's very much a personal preference I'd say

[plucky flax]

It's on all classes. I run triple hp on all. Xd

[green carbon]

fair enough xD

I'm currently trying to find three 21% hp curios for my ogryn

so he can be a hefty chonker

I keep my psyker squishy though

[charred hamlet]

i think ill end up doing health/tough/wound cuz i dont trust myself with only 2 wounds on heresy+

[plucky flax]

I always take grims if they are available on the mission so hp stacking helps there too.

[green carbon]

oh yeah, that's fair

I always do quickplay, which usually doesn't give me grim missions

People don't seem to like grimms ig

[plucky flax]

They be scared of the funny books.

[green carbon]

It would seems so

Scriptures are decently common though

[plucky flax]

Grims give so much money. Hi shock + grims is pretty sweet.

[spice veldt]

i equipped an hp curio for the sniper burster maelstrom and i had two instances where i survived with 4 and 1 hp

i didn't go down either both times

absolutely calculated

[thorn cedar]

I'm H/T/S rn on Psyker and debating dropping the S for another H

But man, Force Swords do not have a lot of base stamina, and I like to run for more than three seconds at a time lol

[spice veldt]

i don't have too many problems with hp besides certain maelstrom modifiers, so i just stack 3 toughness and get some +hp perks for 172.5 hp

taking a +21% hp curio bumps that up to 204 hp, which i find to be comfy enough for surviving most things that break toughness

unless you get absolutely dabbed on by 3 bursters or 2 snipers w/o 1x or 2x sniper res

(or be as cool as i am as shown above)

[hidden crystal]

At the moment, I'm running toughness/health/stamina for curios.

I used to run wound rather than HP, but I looked at the numbers, and wounds are false economy at high difficulty.

A +20% HP curio (yeah, I know they go up to +21% and you can stack perks on that, but +20% ones are more reliable to find, and I'm just considering the base blessing) gives you back +30% HP before you're dead. Wounds might seem to give you back +50% HP before you're dead, but that relies on someone getting you up twice (if they only get you up once, you only get back ~16.7%), so wound curios are only useful at high difficulties if you entirely run out of wounds.

More than that, +20% HP reduces the likelihood of going down to begin with... and I believe also increases your downed HP, increasing the chance of a rescue (or reducing the likelihood of someone attempting a risky rescue that chains into a TPK).

[green carbon]

:o

I have been scammed!

[hidden crystal]

In theory the maths might work out differently if you're already stacking health, because a second or third health is additive, whereas another wound is multiplicative, but that's getting into fairly niche cases.

Game changes could potentially make them more valuable in future - something like a Maelstrom condition that severely reduced medicae servitor charges, or a new ultra difficulty where you only got one wound by default would definitely mess with the numbers a lot.

But yes, so far I've found that toughness/health/stamina is... mostly working for me.

Being able to soak more damage onto your recoverable toughness is good (and having more toughness also multiplies up most sources of toughness recovery other than coherency), but some things bypass toughness and more health helps there... and when it comes to stamina, well, I do like being able to spam push attacks, plus it's just funny to be able to tank an entire horde.

[fresh reef]

@spice veldt what'd you use to change the peril meter's color?

[spice veldt]

i'm using the peril meter from CrosshairHUD rather than the game's native peril meter

and i made some changes of my own so that it changes colors at my own thresholds of 50%, 97%-99%, and 100%

[fresh reef]

Gotcha, thanks

Been trying to recreate closed beta peril meter without actually, yknow, learning to code in Lua

[spice veldt]

i have hopium for a UI update in october

i shall show off my peril meter https://streamable.com/5y7cji

shame that there's no bar UI to demonstrate the peril

[north cradle]

Is there an update happening in October?

[spice veldt]

according to the pcgamer article yeah

of course, the wording is it "should" be arriving this october

which is very sus

[near wyvern]

It's a tactical way of giving out information to be honest. If they miss the month, they don't have to do the sorry next week™️ they can just say yeah we never said that, look at that bad reporting confusing our players

[unreal wasp]

Just had a game with three psykers with based variety. I'm still larping as a PsyKnight, had one with a knife and revolver I was assuming was larping as a Zealot, and the John Surge Psyker

For the Emperor.

[north pike]

This fire stick any good?

[north pike]

Also ! What are the feats for a firestick user, with a deimos blade ?

[fresh reef]

is there a way to change opacity? Custom hud opacity doesn't seem to affect it

[inland sand]

2-1-1-1-1-2 is what I run for Fire staff

[spice veldt]

you'll prob have to edit the lua file itself

[fresh reef]

yucky
disgusting even

[north pike]

My stick really just wants to clear hordes

[silver oxide]

I mainly use the Trauma staff because much like in real life, I use trauma to deal damage to my enemies

[inland sand]

any dueling sword enjoyers?

what blessings are good?

[thorn cedar]

man, i havent dueling sword'd in a while

Pretty sure Rampage and Shred was my go to

Not sure if I'd change that nowadays. I hadn't tested Uncanny Strike a whole lot.

[harsh gust]

i know nothing of staves

help me out

also what blessings and perks?

[plucky flax]

Uncanny shred.

I don't use duelling sword on multiple enemies so rampage is useless for me.

[strong gulch]

I forget Voidstrike perks. I think you want at least flak.

Blessings wise for general build, it's transfer peril + warp flurry.

Base stat wise, charge rate > blast radius if you have to choose.

Quell speed is generally dump stat on staves.

[inland sand]

Flak and Unarmoured I believe

for ze shooters

[fresh reef]

blazing spirit trauma is very fun and very effective

[plucky flax]

Yes it's most op staff.

It's just a bitch to craft.

[charred hamlet]

trauma is really cool but i just cant get it to click for me :(

also how does focused channeling work? ive never really been "kicked out" of charging my secondary by default

[shadow wigeon]

Focused is great on Purgatus, not really useful on Trauma

[charred hamlet]

great on purgatus

how so

also i use surge mostly

[shadow wigeon]

If you get interrupted on Purg, you lose your charge and Flurry stacks. Focused lets you play very aggressively, if you want.

[charred hamlet]

ahh i see

[shadow wigeon]

Getting interrupted on Trauma WILL cancel the charge, which is not ideal, but I suppose with all the CC, and the reasonably short charge times, you're not as exposed.

You can also play Purg safely, of course, but Focused makes a bigger different if you want to leverage it.

[charred hamlet]

so focused/flurry would be the ideal combo for aggresion

[analog solstice]

Id recommend just going nexus and flurry instead, you will hardky ever get your channeling interrupted if you are aware and are ready to dodge while channeling

Nexus is almost a necessity, crit = double burn stack

[charred hamlet]

thats what im going for on surge just because peril builds up super fast

[shadow wigeon]

I'll go the opposite, extra stacks is very maginal difference.

I gave up nexus long ago and you hardly notice it.

[analog solstice]

A double burn stack is a double burn stack, id take that over getting my channeling interrupted every once in a blue moon

But play whatever feels right for you

[shadow wigeon]

The actual damage differential is just really small. Some maps like Hab Dreyko can get pretty spicy in 270*, and Focused can help keep your DPS up in case your team is flagging.

But by the same token, lots of linear maps Focused won't really matter.

So it's more like it enabled you to play aggressively, if you want.

Focused will also let you shoot through ranged guard break, although that's obviously a risky situation to be in, but at the worst moments it can make a big difference.

[whole oxide]

the difference between getting tapped once but still completing your channel, vs getting tapped once and losing the cast thus failing to interrupt an enemy, can be the difference between not dying and dying

[slow raven]

does doing a full charge of purgatus have any benefit over doing the minimum charge?

[analog solstice]

lets be real here, how often does that really happen? id say maybe a cast gets interrupted every 2-3 games and it is never really a make or break situation, you can get back to spraying fire immediately

nexus will be in effect every time you use it

ill just let it rest, play whatever you feel like

[spice veldt]

on trauma, it lets you do something like sprint into shooters, which enables you to sprint-slide

it also functions like zealot's TWBS, causing you to ignore the knockback from Gunners and Reapers

[analog solstice]

no experience with using trauma much myself, just talking about purgatus

[slow raven]

probably drop warp flurry for focused channeling on purgatus and just do attacks with the minimum charge

warp nexus has a benefit but warp flurry doesnt, assuming theres no difference in dps of full charge vs min charge

[analog solstice]

I dont know about that chief, warp flurry is very noticeable even if you charge up short bursts

when the stacks start rolling the channeling goes so fast

[slow raven]

it is very noticeable, but what's the benefit of a full burst?

[analog solstice]

more constant damage, less channeling

[slow raven]

like do you actually get more dps if you do full charges vs min charges in the same amount of time

[analog solstice]

you can really notice it if ur not running warp flurry, you do the same damage ticks but you can throw out bursts of fire much faster

you can deal with not having it, but flurry feels so good

[slow raven]

i guess im just wondering, if you spend like 1 straight minute of throwing out fully charged bursts vs 1 minute of throwing out minimum charged bursts, do you actually deal more dps with the full charges?

[strong gulch]

You get more suppression / more and faster up time with flurry.

Personal preference and all.

[slow raven]

because if theres no difference then you might as well just use minimum charged always, in which case you're never really charging so flurry is less useful

[analog solstice]

even on low charge bursts it cuts the channeling time down a lot

[slow raven]

so with flurry stacks you can throw out the minimum charged bursts faster than without flurry?

[analog solstice]

and when you are just going for low charge bursts you will need to channel more frequently anyways

yes, a lot faster

[spice veldt]

you can see warp flurry proc to great effectiveness here #psyker-class message

[slow raven]

alright, then it should be a dps increase if that's the case

[analog solstice]

my personal recommendation is to just go with nexus and flurry on purgatus but do whatever you feel like

[shadow wigeon]

There is no difference in damage, but your DPS goes up by spending less time charging.

In a horde I will often short-charge the first few shots just to get Flurry up to stacks

[strong gulch]

Faster channeling time and fire for longer. Firing for longer (full charge) lets you apply more soulblaze stacks faster than minimal charge.

[north pike]

What am I looking to change on this purgatus ?

[analog solstice]

change infested to 5% crit and terrifying to warp flurry imo

[north pike]

Crit is good with the flame stick?

[analog solstice]

people say its the best perk for it because it applies two burn stacks on crit

[strong gulch]

You could also change infested to flak, but crit chance helps everything.

Crits help apply soulblaze stack faster.

[north pike]

Are the mods good on it otherwise ?

[analog solstice]

mods are pretty good, would like to see cloud bumped up to 80 though, most important stat

but that is overall a very good staff

[shadow wigeon]

Definitely happens on max difficulty, you only have so many dodges, and Focused shines at the moment when things are the worst. I have flamed through guard break from ranged before to save someone.
You can also flame in a horde (briefly) if you want to, which is sometimes very handy.

[strong gulch]

Yes, but cloud radius could be better.

[analog solstice]

i only play auric and maelstrom

[shadow wigeon]

I just presume that's what we're talking about, since none of this matter much below that. you asked how often it happens though.

[analog solstice]

differs from person to person of course, but getting my channeling interrupted barely ever happens, a guesstimate would be something like every 2-3 games maybe

[shadow wigeon]

Let's say it's really 0-2 times, but they actually matter. Obviously plenty of games can go by where it's just smooth sailing and its irrelevant.

But I have to weigh it against the damage boost from Nexus, which also isn't that big, most of the time.

[analog solstice]

if i did get channeling broken i would probably just immediately start channeling again while spamming dodges

[shadow wigeon]

Sure, but comparatively that's a lot of downtime

[whole oxide]

in an ideal situation, sure, but sometimes that isn't an option

[shadow wigeon]

Purg has lots of suppression, I would say most often I use Focused to just tank a casual poxwalker that i DNGAF about, when there is something more important to melt.

Last room of Hab Dreyko, if you have a weak team or somethin goes wrong, Focused has been worth a ton there.
Sycorax at times too.

[whole oxide]

if you consider Nexus to be a 20% chance to do 20% extra damage

what it actually is is a 4% damage boost

[shadow wigeon]

well, Nexus is complicated... because sometimes it does a lot more damage, like if you had to stop flaming a target, but by luck you got 4 extra stacks on there.

It's hard to peg it really

But if you're channeling to max stacks anyway, I think it's closer to 10% dmg?

[analog solstice]

It is a 20% chance to do double damage

[shadow wigeon]

No.... just to add a stack.

If you're at max that does 0.

[upper galleon]

yea crit damage is like 14%-40% more damage

[analog solstice]

Which is more or less all the damage purgatus deals

[upper galleon]

besides like revolvers and knives which do the full 100% double damage

don't quote me on that tho

[whole oxide]

but its not double damage on the full channel, just double damage on a single tick

[shadow wigeon]

Crits on Purg are ~10% more, which is almost nothing. So it's just a question of whether thebonus stacks matters.

[analog solstice]

No? It adds an extra burn stack on the target when you crit

[whole oxide]

even if you count it as 100% extra damage

its 20% chance to do 100%

which is the same as 20%

[analog solstice]

20% is good considering purgatus doesnt have a lot of good blessings

[whole oxide]

yeah, not saying its bad, but its not as mandatory as people make out

[shadow wigeon]

I don't think it's going to net out to 20%, I suspect a lot closer to 10%.

5% crit perk is a bad idea, that is a very small damage gain vs +damage to a class.

[analog solstice]

[spice veldt]

+crit has the highest benefit when the enemy dies in a rather short time (basically the time it takes to reach max stacks), but beyond that, the difference is smaller because stacks are capped regardless

[analog solstice]

stack cap only relevant on monsters

[shadow wigeon]

A single stack of SB is ~25% more than the last. So a crit is in theory worth a few ticks of 25% more damage.
The 5% crit perk is only going to net you 2% more damage, on balance.

Nexus is different, It's not displacing anything, so it's all gain.

If you don't cap stacks, and let it all tick out, the stacks are worth more... but that almost never happens. You're either killing them or someone else does long before you get value.

[analog solstice]

remaining stacks get transferred with wildfire feat

[shadow wigeon]

4 get transferred

[whole oxide]

if, if, stuff nearby has none

[spice veldt]

huh i forget that the purgatus' cast time is somewhat long

[upper galleon]

I stack crit chance for the luls

Mainly cause I swap back and forth from my illisi

So having more stacks in less time is useful for me

[harsh urchin]

I don't really care about the rest of the argument here but I'm gonna call this out

this is some bullshit numbers lol

the 2% is made up or calculated wrongly

[whole oxide]

even if its +5% damage, thats pretty meh

[analog solstice]

its more than just 5%, with a purgatus spec you have a lot of synergies with soulblaze effects

[shadow wigeon]

I don't know what to tell you... do the math fi you want...

[whole oxide]

which of those synergies require 2 stacks instead of 1?

[shadow wigeon]

It's a geometric progression. The first few stacks are big increases, the jump gets smaller and smaller.

[harsh urchin]

yes but due to the way the game works, you don't calculate it that way because there is almost no instance except bosses where it ticks fully

[shadow wigeon]

Well we only really care about marginal stacks at a high stack count, because the damage is so small at low count it... doesnt matter really.

Getting free stack from 4 to 5 is not going to make a difference. It's getting faster to 15 that matters.

[harsh urchin]

that's not true lol

[upper galleon]

I think y'all overthinking this

[shadow wigeon]

Ok?

[harsh urchin]

getting a stack from 4 to 5 potentially kills a bunch of trash faster

[upper galleon]

I go crit cause it's a guaranteed slight dps increase

[harsh urchin]

either way I don't really care about which one people consider better, i'm just saying the way you calculated it is not correct

[upper galleon]

And I don't get interrupted like, at all, besides really rare occurrences

[whole oxide]

lolwut, its exactly the opposite of guaranteed

[upper galleon]

It's like flamer

You go overpressure+blaze away not cause you need the boost

But because it's the only blessings that give a noticable increase in power

[analog solstice]

its more than a flat 5%, it gives you a higher chance to proc a warp charge from soulblaze killing blows and increases the chance of dying mobs having 4 stacks of wildfire to pass on

[shadow wigeon]

If you want to show a better way to calculate, please do.

[upper galleon]

Y'all wilding

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah Ascendant Blaze (if it works correctly, I forget what it does now) would be more likely to proc with higher SB stacks. That would be an advantage.

Wildfire... I don't see it, because you would have had to stop at 3 stacks, but gotten lucky on a crit... I suppose it could happen..

[upper galleon]

I explained my mindset I ain't going into math when only like, 3 blessings matter on purge

[whole oxide]

5% crit means that, on average, you need to apply 20 stacks to get 1 extra

[upper galleon]

When I'm swapping between sword and staff, especially vs bosses, hitting Max stacks quicker for less peril is nice

[upper galleon]

Oh this isn't about warp nexus

[analog solstice]

even if its just limited at 4 stacks, you can sometimes have a hard time getting there considering how fast poxwalkers get mulched in hi intensity and how wide you are spraying

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah Nexus is valuable, +crit perk is a poor idea (vs dmg vs enemy)

[upper galleon]

Like I take crit perk just for the memes maniac flak or unyielding maniac is prob better

[shadow wigeon]

Unyielding is the boss on Purg

[whole oxide]

well, this is something you often see when people debating what's "optimal", is whether you're considering best chance to finish the mission, or how to out-damage your own team-mates

[analog solstice]

what the hell? 😭

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, in theory I agree, but since I don't know when it crits I can't really play around it...And wildfire is just going to get everyone up to 4 stacks on their own anyway.

[analog solstice]

Damn this went way overboard

[crimson nexus]

is wildfire bugged still or did they fix it?

[shadow wigeon]

It works as intended, but fixes to Slaughterer have made it less powerful.

[crimson nexus]

thanks! i dont have slaughter yet so no worries there

[shadow wigeon]

I would always take unyielding for the fat boss damage, and ocassionally bulwarks end up in range.
I would take flak over maniac just because maniac target are less likely (hopefully) to get in purg range... but obv still good to get rid of them faster.

[crimson nexus]

i was kinda worried that purgatus would be no good in the new auric missions because aften time in game slike this crowd control rules when you pump the difficulty up. but i have been pleasantly surprised to find that the purg still staggers decently well and it outputs plenty of damage.

I just have to know my role and hold the line on the fodder enemies not run around trying to stab the heavies

[shadow wigeon]

If you have no other horde clear, Purg is still really useful on Auric.

[crimson nexus]

purg staff is just so much awesome class fantasy i didnt want to let go

i think i will put together a gun witch for a secondary build though

[upper galleon]

Wildfire is great on Auric/maelstroms cause of high density

It just doesn't stop, softens up the whole map for no effort

Sure the 1st wildfire spread won't kill shooters, but the 2nd one does and so on and so forth

[shadow wigeon]

You catch a lot of random elite with it, despite it not seeming like a lot of damage at face value.

[north pike]

What is a good feat set up for a purg/deimos build... or should I swap away from deimos and just hope others have the big things while I illisi?

[shadow wigeon]

Deimos and Purg are friends. Deimos can be setup to remove the big things purg can’t.

[north pike]

kk, that was what I figured

[shadow wigeon]

I don't know what the thresholds are, but Warp Unleashed/warp stacks/+maniac/Unstable are all ways to get to mutie one-shots (and easy 2 shots)

[north pike]

Feats... 2 1 1 1 1 2 ?

[shadow wigeon]

There are lots of options. X111X2 (if you run Deflector in particular) is a lock.

For T1 there are probably fans of all 3, and for T5 some people like Battery, some prefer Wildfire.

On the Deimos, you can opt for Unstable Power instead of Slaughter, as you often won't be chaining kills with your sword, and just taking out single targets.

Unstable Power has up to 4 stacks, which is not written on the tool tip.

And L1/H2 are 2 strong, single-target attacks

[north pike]

Unstable and... Deflector?

[shadow wigeon]

That's what I run, but people have other preferences too.

[north pike]

Stat prio... Damage = First target > Resist = finesse > mobi ?

[shadow wigeon]

I mean let's just say that's pretty ideal right there, yeah.

Warp res can go both ways. Some people like low res for charging up peril.

[upper galleon]

I prefer Illisi with purge going into maelstrom

[shadow wigeon]

Damage, First Target and Finesse all conspire to build you actual damage. You should be hunting for weak spot hit as it is.

[upper galleon]

Illisi is just more flexible while keeping up single target damage

Damage finesse first target as high as possible

You can skimp on mobility and resistance since unlimited dodges

[north pike]

Is there a reason these have unlimited dodges? It feels so... alot

[lunar hollow]

there's a strong argument to be made you want warp res as low as possible specifically for some 1 shot BPs with warp unleashed/unstable power

particularly for headshotting muties with the H2

my deimos has like... 33%?-ish and takes 2 activations (sped up by QQ canceling) to 1 shot a mutie with the h2

[upper galleon]

No reason just fatshark

Honestly dueling sword should have the dodges not force swords

[shadow wigeon]

You are a space wizard

[north pike]

Gotcha. And... what do I want on it, maniac... flak, unyielding?

[shadow wigeon]

Maniac for sure, and then Flak just makes sense.

[upper galleon]

I go maniac flak

[north pike]

Time to get plasteel for orange then!

[lunar hollow]

the only really necessary one is maniac imo

otherwise u can kinda do whatever

[shadow wigeon]

I'll Venmo you some just to see the orange

[lunar hollow]

mine has 8% elites locked in. i don't think any of them make a huge difference since obscurus and deimos specials have 200% damage vs flak enemies anyways

ideally it would probs be something like unyielding or carapace

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah after +maniac you're getting into very specific breakpoints that im not sure many people have worked out.

[lunar hollow]

yeah, maniac is the big one, then really personal preference

[north pike]

Hadron says slaughter is good xD

After a nearly 3000 kill archivum sycorax with 2 purg, 1 electric psyker, and a grenade gun oggy just marching through slowly like a flame tank

[upper galleon]

God that's so close to bis

Swap superior to unstable or deflector, groaners to maniac and it's juicyyyy

[north pike]

I sadly have no blessings banked, so that may be a bit. But at least the pox to maniac will happen so

[upper galleon]

Id keep it still

It's a great base

[shadow wigeon]

Well if you don't get Slaughter 4 anywhere else, you can melt this one day for an Illisi. That's a nice pull haha. (but i wouldnt be a inrush to melt it)
In the meantime, +maniac and replace Superiority with Deflector or something else if you prefer, and you are good to go.

[north pike]

Certainly, I'll look to probably get deflector on it, blocking bullets sounds rather nice

[shadow wigeon]

I love Deflector, and I run it for clutch moments, but with purg you will find few opportunities to use it, since you're channeling so much of the time. But, I still love having it.

[alpine fulcrum]

is there any purpose to having warp nexus on a purgatus

[shadow wigeon]

If you want to scroll up there was a big discussion 😮 it has a lot of fans.
When you crit you apply 1 extra soulblaze stack.

[alpine fulcrum]

I didnt know that

thats good to know

[strong gulch]

Crit hits apply more stacks of soulblaze so you can hit max stacks faster.

[north pike]

What is the go-to curios wise?

[shadow wigeon]

So many options. I personally am running Health, Health, Stamina with sniper resist, ability regen, toughness regen.

But there are many ways to build curios

[north pike]

Okay, I was going with health blessings, so glad I wasn't off there! I like the idea of block % with the block bullets thing not sure thats a good idea or not

[strong gulch]

It's a lot of personal preference, but if you search up curios and their perks, you'll find math charts with break points for somet things.

I take +3 stam to go with Kinetic deflection and deflector.

Pygex also has a video for the quick of it.
https://youtu.be/zHkczVGvORc

Playstyle has quite the impact tbh.

[north pike]

Thank you!

[shadow wigeon]

In short, no. You'll find that Kinetic Deflection gives you so much block already, you won't benefit much from +block %.

Hadn't played Purg for awhile after all this talk went back to it. So fun.

[obsidian girder]

the magic hobo drip

[hidden crystal]

I'm using this occasionally for the non-Auric no ammo Maelstrom missions (although I realise that on my last mission I was arguably a hindrance, because joining two Zealots and an Ogryn mid-mission, I would have replaced a Vet bot that might have been restocking their ammo), and - given I'm now playing a reasonable amount of Damnation and have actually got some plasteel - I bought up several Voidstrikes from Brunt and got lucky with a T4 Warp Flurry after just a couple of Blue level consecrations:

It is now actually my highest rated ranged weapon.

I do wonder if the no ammo modifier needs some refinement. I mean, it's certainly possible to clear, but how much of a hindrance it actually presents is so wildly variable dependent on team composition.

[fresh reef]

after 560 hours I finally rolled an 80% burn purgatus
basically the only stat the matters right?

[hidden crystal]

Veterans and psykers can plan robustly for the no ammo missions, but ogryns and zealots can only work on the plan of "hope there's a veteran".

[shadow wigeon]

No… you want cloud as well (determines range)

[shadow wigeon]

I've run it as zealot and you can get by, but it's difficult. Helps to either have a psyker or save those revolver rounds for snipers....

[fresh reef]

ah, right. forgot about that bit

rolled 66%. Not great, but it isn't dump stat at least

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah those 2 are your key stats, 66% isn't the worst. When you get a better staff, you may notice it hits a bit further out.

[unreal wasp]

Need to get the redemption armor so I can full larp PsyPaladin

[hidden crystal]

If I could be sure there would be a veteran, I'd actually consider running one as gunpsyker. I often get through missions with very few ammo pickups just by hanging close to veterans, and as Maelstrom missions also often have increased specialist rates, there's a lot of chance to get kills that trigger the resupply.

I'd need to be a bit careful (and no spamming shots into hordes because I can't be bothered to go over there), but I'd reckon I could do quite well.

[restive slate]

As Revolver Psyker I reserve the rounds for elites and specials

Mostly brainburst and melee

[unreal wasp]

Will sometimes use revolver shots on shooters if I can't get at them just with blocking their shots

But Deflector is based and I will often just walk at shooters

Also need this as a skin for the revolver

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I generally use the MG12 for elites, specials and shooters, so without many shooters on those missions I think the refills from a vet would go a long way... but you can't be sure of a vet.

[north pike]

Good enough mods, to upgrade?

[hidden crystal]

I ended up as a gunpsyker main mostly because I didn't really get on with any of the staves. Purgatus and Surge heavily rely on the rest of the team dealing with shooters and the Trauma is really weird to aim, which leaves the Voidstrike, which is pretty poor against single targets.

Also, to be honest, Purgatus and Flamers just irritate me enough when I'm trying to do a marksman build that I don't want to involve myself with either.

[hidden crystal]

The stats are pretty good, but you're putting a lot of hope on the next two consecrations being good so you can replace what's already on it.

[north pike]

I see, this boy then ?

I'm not sure how much I'm meant to care about crit

[hidden crystal]

I actually had a Purge psyker earlier who was attempting to flame shooters who were well out of his range.

Note that the team composition was them with a Purge staff, a Surge psyker, a Ripper gun ogryn and me (MG12 Psyker), so the number of people who should have been trying to shoot the whole way down that hallway was one, but the number of people who could was zero, because my line of sight was full of blue flame.

[hidden crystal]

Surge really isn't my area of expertise, so I'll leave that question to someone else.

[fresh reef]

so, just checking my understanding, purg staff applies suppression to anything it hits?

[shadow wigeon]

I would upgrade it. +maniacs is very good. Unfortunately ALL the stats are useful on surge but it’s easier to give up on things like quell. Crit contributes to damage, but that is the secondary function so I would at least fo to blue and see what blessing you get.

Surge (and purg) have limited blessing pools - so when you are rolling either of them, if the first blessing isn’t Flurry 4 or Nexus 4 (the only 2 you want), before you roll to orange, swap the first blessing for terrifying barrage (if you have it already). Then, when you roll the second blessing you’re guaranteed to get flurry or nexus (if you roll a T4 blessing).

[north pike]

Run n gun

[primal radish]

holy shit i just noticed all deimos attacks are single target lmao, i always thought light 2 and 3 were sweeps

[north pike]

any tier of terrifying work ?

[shadow wigeon]

I mean… if you are rich and want to gamble, then go ahead. Yeah any rank terrifying shoukd work.

This is how you collect T4’s, but it’s expensive. So only go ahead if there’s nothing else you want to make right now

I’m assuming you don’t have any T4’s for surge yet

[north pike]

I've nothing for psyker, just got it to 30 like a week ago

well, I have gun things, but xD

[shadow wigeon]

Well then I would go ahead to help unlock T4’s hopefully.

[fresh reef]

anyone else getting these constantly?

[north pike]

I'm just super tired of rolling for pinning 4 on bolter

[shadow wigeon]

Well then this at least had much higher odds.

[north pike]

I've gotten all the others, at least twice now >.<

[shadow wigeon]

So yeah change to barrage and roll to orange.

[north pike]

I'll see if I can't find one next few days then

[shadow wigeon]

Ideally I would only roll S tier surge, and your staff is almost max. So it’s probably worth the mats. But either way you want flurry and nexus on it so you’ll be rolling a few more most likely anyway.

[spice veldt]

l2/l3/l4 are also sweeps; 1x damage and 2 cleave
it's only l1 and h2 that have different attack properties than the rest

[spice veldt]

ye same

[fresh reef]

any known fix for it? doesn't seem to actually be affecting my connection lol

[spice veldt]

not sure; i guess it's just there

thanks for the warning, fatshark, i suppose

[fresh reef]

now when I say my connection is unaffected, I didn't say it was good lmao

[spice veldt]

yeah there have been some interesting issues perking up

i had a game where I wasn't getting hitmarkers occasionally... in melee with the illisi

and some occasional hordes floating around

though not as bad as in the past

[fresh reef]

moments before error 3013, I get these Excorcist cosplayers

[spice veldt]

spooked

[fresh reef]

utterly shaken to my core

[spice veldt]

either that or they're ascending to heaven

whilst a damned such as you watches from below

[fresh reef]

likely story

we are in Tertium after all

[old oyster]

yes

[spice veldt]

why tf does rashad's 2nd heavy deal less damage than the 1st heavy to the captain's shield

and on another note, it turns out that where you aim your weapon at on the shield does matter in terms of damage https://streamable.com/77yv6d

first hit to the body deals 383 damage, and the hit to the head deals 810 damage

at least for melee; doesn't seem to work with ranged

wait am i stupid and used a limbsplitter rashad

no it's a gray rashad

???

[crude cape]

do I buy this? (on the left, melk bucks) my current is on the right.
It might be worth for warp flurry 4 alone but, it also puts me over 76% burn but has worse cloud radius and quell speed

is the staff itself worth the swap, I could reroll both perks...or nah just keep current and get blessing

[crude cape]

oh woah, so "shield headshots" matter. I always thought they did and couldn't prove it, thought i was imagining it

[spice veldt]

it's hard af on most melees though it seems besides the deimos

i guess the stab hitbox makes it really easy to do

it's easy to do with all attacks of the MKIV duelling sword (lights are diagonal overheads, heavies are stabs)

deimos' light combo has diagonal overheads as well, but it's difficult to hit the head with them as well

[crude cape]

ya, deimos and thammer on zealot are what i thought i noticed it on

but never was sure

i would watch the shield hp bar and hit the head and feel like i did more dmg

but hard to tell in the heat of the moment that way

it was actually pretty noticeable with Thammer, when having slaughterer stacked from the horde and swapping to the boss and light attacking to the head bc you could see the chunks coming off the shield pretty quickly

[plucky flax]

Nah low warp resist and quell speed.

[crude cape]

ya, i picked it up just to learn warp flurry 4 for purg

but i think you're right

i know my current purg is missing 76% burn tho which is the threshhold for an extra tick

[plucky flax]

It's not too difficult to make a purga. All stats high apart from damage. Crit chance/flak/maniac/unyielding.

[slate sun]

Any idea which to keep guys? I know both are sub-optimal with the crit blessings ... but which one sucks less? 🙂

Blodthirsty is quite fun, but it doesn't really synergize with anything

[steel egret]

🤔

[whole oxide]

definitely the first one. Shred, while not first choice, is at least slightly useful, while bloodthirsty is pretty pointless on Deimos, and you've got the option to swap Carapace to Maniac. Also, Finesse > Warp Resist

[slate sun]

Thanks... Thought as much. Although - with bloodfirsty loaded up it was quite fun to cut down grouped elites... Probably would've worked the same without it.

[magic hull]

ok lads, a or b

[broken carbon]

A, swap crit damage for something else though

maybe maniac but idk

crits on flames don’t do much at all if i remember right

[magic hull]

should I swap terrifying barrage for a better terryfing barrage or a warp nexus level 3

talking about the first staff

[broken carbon]

crits are useless on flames

[hidden crystal]

They apply more attacks of soulburn.

[broken carbon]

oh

still don’t see much a point

i’d say just t4 terrifying barrage

[hidden crystal]

... flames already suppress every tick.

[broken carbon]

not in a circle around you though

[magic hull]

yeah it would be usefull to supress enemy all around

[broken carbon]

my staff is t4 warp flurry and t4 terrifying barrage and i have no problems with it at all

[hidden crystal]

If the enemy is all around you, then you've karked up. Also, one of the main enemy types that might be all around you (poxwalkers) is immune to suppression.

[broken carbon]

there’s situations where the surround suppression is useful no matter how good you are

[magic hull]

apparently i cant upgrade a teri barrage from 3 to 4

huh

[broken carbon]

sometimes shit goes wrong no matter how good you play

and having extra soulblaze stacks sometimes doesn’t really help

trash will die before it’s an issue, and you shouldn’t be trying to burn anything big, especially if you’re using a deimos

[magic hull]

ooh okay, its because i gave up the terrifying on surge which doesnt work on purge

silly me

[broken carbon]

lmao

darktide moment

[magic hull]

ill prob just proxy another purge until i get a level 4 blessing

[hidden crystal]

Sure, there's times it might be useful, but that doesn't actually mean that it's as useful.

The preferred purg combo is usually Nexus and Flurry for getting as much damage/burn out as quickly as possible, because flames already suppress the things that can be suppressed, and a lot of the things that might overwhelm you are immune anyway, and need to be made dead as fast as possible to stop them being a threat.

[serene edge]

hi

I am looking for advice about what melee should I use on psyker

[broken carbon]

anything except the obscurus

[hidden crystal]

Guide to force swords:
"I hate hordes" = Illisi
"I hate mutants" = Deimos
"I hate myself" = Obscurus

(Okay, the Obscurus isn't terrible, but it's been left in a weird middle ground where either of the others does something better, and isn't really bad for anything.)

[serene edge]

but idk if I wanna go force sword

[spice veldt]

Combat axes if you don't like force swords

specifically the Rashad (though the Antax is a close second)

[serene edge]

I thought about axe or dagger

[hidden crystal]

Force sword is definitely the standard for psykers right now, so if you want to use something else, it's more of a case of whether you like it.

[plucky flax]

My staff has warp nexus and flurry 4 and I have no problems at all.

[hidden crystal]

The thing about force swords is that they synergise with a lot of psyker's feats and abilities, whereas all the other options... mostly don't.

[inland sand]

Accurate

[serene edge]

got dagger liek that, what should I change?

[hidden crystal]

Two of the toughness feats mix well with charged force sword attacks, whereas all other melee weapons rely on hoping for a chain through Psychic Communion and Essence Harvest.

[hearty dagger]

One more mission

[charred hamlet]

dueling swords are underrated

[hidden crystal]

I prefer dueling banjos.

[fresh reef]

so uh
Big E just handed me this monstrosity

what should I swap on it?

[upper galleon]

Crit damage off and crit chance off

[hidden crystal]

Crit Damage is generally considered pretty poor, as it only increases the critical portion, not the entire hit. (Which is I guess okay on a weapon that has a huge critical damage modifier, but eh).

[unreal wasp]

High-intensity M5 and long-press M1 gameplay

[broken carbon]

i fucked your mother

[regal jasper]

He looks very lovely

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

Fire trauma is a popular choice.

If you swap rending for Blazing Spirit 3 (4 doesn't exist for trauma).

Swap crit damage for flak.

[fresh reef]

Can't get on atm but I'd have to compare it to my other fire trauma first

It's popular for good reason though

[north cradle]

Speculation: Does this new talent tree allow players to cross-class between subclasses?

[spice veldt]

ye

you can also branch out

[north cradle]

Intriguing

[spice veldt]

the limitation is that you can't go upwards or have more than 1 aura/iconic/ult/something else that i forgot

so it's possible to take more than 1 toughness feat at the same time

[north cradle]

Blitz?

[spice veldt]

and so on

AH yeah

i am very enthusiastic about taking quietitude + warp absorption

[hidden crystal]

I'll be interested to see what other auras psykers get.

[blissful crypt]

I use Thrauma with crit and blaze, work well enough because it aplies it also in the larger explosion radius. Deals with everthing short of muties and far way bombers

[north cradle]

Hard to beat ult regen on Elite kill but we'll see

[lunar hollow]

honestly

i have this stupid idea

[north cradle]

Wait wrong one

[lunar hollow]

of essence harvest + warp absorption

[hidden crystal]

I'm strongly tempted to just stack all the toughness regen

[north cradle]

Psykers and adjacent allies get increased Elite damage

[lunar hollow]

where u KB, bb something, and then use the regen toughness to get in incase u accidentally get caught between slides and demolished by gunner fire

[spice veldt]

the "only BB" build

terrifying

[spice veldt]

same

[north cradle]

Stop looking at my .txt documents

[spice veldt]

depending on whether we'll get a 4th+ toughness regen feat

[lunar hollow]

well

i think if u could combine essence harvest

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897990245658787881.webp?size=80&quality=lossless

[lunar hollow]

it wouldn't be too terrible with kinetic barrage

since u could mess around with the regen effectively acting as a larger safety net vs shooters n stuff with diving

but on its own its not nearly as good as the other 2

[north cradle]

Too bad it doesn't stack like the one for Veteran

[hidden crystal]

Alas, Essence Harvest doesn't stack with itself.

You just reset the timer

[lunar hollow]

i would seriously rather not have stacking effects like that at all

it's fucking dumb that CK gets it in the first place

[spice veldt]

i guess essence harvest is still nice for when you need to hittrade to snipe some random enemy and regen some toughness in addition to warp absorption

[lunar hollow]

the thing is like

if ur hit trading and BBing stuff

you're probably dodging in and out of cover

[spice veldt]

there are some situations where you have to BB with a horde nearby

and I like to just sprint-slide to get the 50% toughness DR and tank the hits

[lunar hollow]

i guess my main complaint is that its main application, getting warp charges from BBs, contends with the fact that both the other options also give you toughness from BBing but are more flexible

and if you have communion/flayer up and are killing stuff, you're probably doing it in melee (and thus getting melee toughness regen), or you're doing it with a staff

[spice veldt]

and soulblaze being able to proc warp absorption

[lunar hollow]

and in both cases there are still better options

like with the best psyker melee warp absorption provides like 5x the utility

and with staffs its also just more useful

[north cradle]

My Veteran's ass walking into a firefight during a Shock Troop Gauntlet
https://youtu.be/sgKK0YRQyMQ?t=35

[lunar hollow]

i don't think you can get enough toughness out of it for it to matter

cuz like if u get hit by a horde you're getting hit like 4 times

[spice veldt]

true

i can just swap to my illisi and regen it all

[lunar hollow]

yes

warp absorption is fuckin weird

i genuinely cannot believe how good it is if you can use it right

[north cradle]

Are you team Warp Absorption "Spam the Alt During the Fight" Illisi or team Quietitude "Spam the Alt Before the Fight" Illisi

[spice veldt]

mfs at fatshark deciding to buff warp absorption before the illiis dropped

[lunar hollow]

numbers wise spamming peril on illisi before hitting stuff to use the normals

is just significantly worse than using the specials

[lunar hollow]

even just with trauma

you can like

take 100% toughness damage from a shooter patrol, det the circle, and have full again

[hidden crystal]

As gunpsyker, I've taken to running quietitude, but Warp Absorption too would be really nice with an Illisi.

[lunar hollow]

that is genuinely rivaling confirmed kill (without unwavering focus) in terms of how much toughness you pull out of nowhere

[spice veldt]

the only downside is the lack of a gun-analogue of a force staff that can take absolute broken advantage of it

but the feat itself is quite ridiculous

[north cradle]

Where's my Beam Staff Fatshark

[lunar hollow]

i don't really mind not having a single target damage staff with warp absorption because trauma +illisi covers all the major situations where you actively need toughness

[thorn cedar]

i'd love another beam staff, just for the shotgun alt fire it had

[spice veldt]

i want my warp glock

[lunar hollow]

since if you get stuck dueling a bunch of enemies at long range kinetic barrage is normally just the more consistent bet

fuck trying to shoot snipers without unwavering focus during sniper waves

[spice veldt]

though trauma's charge time does pose some period where you can get bursted

[lunar hollow]

is agony

[lunar hollow]

which in most situations is mitigated by the fact you're probably opening a fight with it or can charge it while in cover then jump out to detonate

[spice veldt]

what's cover

[lunar hollow]

i dunno man all my characters are max height (NOT compensating)

[fresh reef]

I think Purgatus is overtaking trauma as my favorite staff.

Deletes trash, trivializes shooters, and has very solid boss killing potential

[hidden crystal]

Tiny French psyker for the win.

[fresh reef]

Running with Flayer and the dopamine of seeing the 15 stacks magically become 19 sometimes is just beautiful

[lunar hollow]

i would rather die than ever use savant

loner all the way

[hidden crystal]

But have you heard about Tertium's thriving liturgical drama scene?

[lunar hollow]

[north cradle]

Seer Psyker is such a chipper fellow though

[hidden crystal]

Saint Messalina is central, of course.

[north cradle]

I chose the Warhappy 40K gang for all my characters

Loose Cannon, Seer, Judge, and Bodyguard, though I honestly sometimes think about rerolling Bodyguard as a Brawler

They're like Desperado from Metal Gear Rising

[glossy pulsar]

can u shout for the emperor?

[charred hamlet]

which tier 30 perk do you guys use? idk which one to choose, i usually like keeping my warp charges

[thorn cedar]

Kinetic Barrage

[fresh reef]

rare instance of Hadron not bricking a good roll. What should I swap the perks to?