because of the insane ass scaling that the staff has
#psyker-class
spice veldt
ornate hamlet
How does rhe brain burst damage work
Does it scale to ur level or what enemies ur fighting
strong gulch
Yeah, psyker really comes together when you have access to your full kit.
Some weapons REALLY need high rolls to feel good to use.
spice veldt
e.g., Daemonhosts take 0.7x ranged damage to the head, so Brain Burst will deal 770 damage to them
Brain Burst's base damage is fixed regardless of your level
ornate hamlet
Can the trauma staff easily one shot poxwalkers in damnation in level 30
spice veldt
with warp charges yeah
with >71% damage, you only need 2 warp charges for that
for something in the ballpark of ~50%, you'll need 3 warp charges
and 4 or more below that
ornate hamlet
So without a warp charge it cant one shot a poxwalker
spice veldt
nope
ornate hamlet
Dam
ornate hamlet
What about the lightning staff forgot the name
ornate hamlet
or if you run warp unleashed
Which one is that
ornate hamlet
Dam
cyan notch
harsh urchin
with >71% damage, you only need 2 warp charges for that
is this with or without infested on weapon
spice veldt
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1095318102197162005...
why do you have to remind me of these things
without
strong gulch
Surge M1 can at least more easily benefit from crits
harsh urchin
crits in this game are no good
spice veldt
58% damage and 3 warp charges to one-shot poxwalkers
and >45% damage and 4 warp charges to one-shot poxwalkers
ornate hamlet
Samn
strong gulch
If you're using crits as enablers for other things, you get some some different and effective builds.
Crits for crit sake tho, maybe not.
ornate hamlet
I think i just gotta get to level 30 before really doing some real damage or have good survivability
spice veldt
and getting the muscle memory for spamming dodges
i played drunk once and just fucking crumbled in melee because i lost the ability to spam the ever living crap out of dodges
harsh urchin
I think i just gotta get to level 30 before really doing some real damage or hav...
unlike vet or zealot you don't really get much in the way of defenses from class feats
ornate hamlet
Im used to thay im more need to get used to switching between 1 2 and g
harsh urchin
easiest way to have good surv as psyker is to git gud
ornate hamlet
Im used to dodging and then when i hear the swoosh just turn around to block the hit
Its not working very well as a psyker
spice veldt
if your reaction time isn't godtier, then it's better to not play in a reactionary way
my reaction time is horrible so I just always spam dodges whenever my melee is out
strong gulch
"git gud" is very helpful and additive.
spice veldt
screw reacting to things
harsh urchin
I mean it's not one thing lol
spice veldt
damn that streamable clip of me spamming dodges has expired
harsh urchin
there's tons of fundamentals involved
lilac mirage
What is Purgatus Playstyle is it stick with team and spam flamethrower ?
ornate hamlet
if your reaction time isn't godtier, then it's better to not play in a reactiona...
Yea cuz with vets its way more forgiving getting hit
spice veldt
eh, i think that spamming dodges lets you get away with a bunch of bullshit
ornate hamlet
Yea im not used to infinite dodges so i should try that
strong gulch
iirc, sliding takes less thoughness damage than running
ornate hamlet
Can anyone run a game with me later so i can see how a good psyker plays
spice veldt
yeah, 1.25x toughness damage on sprinting i believe
and 0.5x toughness dmg on slides/dodges
though it's not really the toughness damage that's dangerous but the fact that melee attacks will deal heavy stagger to you instead of light stagger whenever you're sprinting
so you just get put into this long ass animation where you can't do anything
ornate hamlet
Does this apply only to psykers
harsh urchin
What is Purgatus Playstyle is it stick with team and spam flamethrower ?
imo it's very heavily based on 2 things.
- positioning yourself
- utilizing the right tool at the right time
spice veldt
here's a demo of me taking no damage by spamming dodges https://streamable.com/45pft2
spice veldt
Does this apply only to psykers
yeah, different classes have different toughness DR based for their movement states
harsh urchin
you have 3 tools: flamer, melee and BB
ornate hamlet
here's a demo of me taking no damage by spamming dodges https://streamable.com/4...
U dont even block dam
strong gulch
Good psyker isn't me.
That's not a "I won't play with anyone" thing. That's a "I'm mid" thing.
harsh urchin
and you need to use all 3 since each of them are not as flexible as say... a trauma
ornate hamlet
What if theres a big enough horde u cant dodge cuz no space
spice veldt
i usually push
if i'm surrounded, I either push and/or back away so that I can spam dodges again
hidden crystal
Can anyone run a game with me later so i can see how a good psyker plays
Well, I can't - I only know how to play mediocre psyker.
spice veldt
psyker has stupid mobility while meleeing with their force swords
cyan notch
here's a demo of me taking no damage by spamming dodges https://streamable.com/4...
rare footage of non deranged ui
spice veldt
rare footage of non deranged ui
get out
strong gulch
Force words have a wide push. Create a small pocket for your brain to catch up and make a decision.
purg m1 can also stagger really well to give you more setup time
strong gulch
Well, I can't - I only know how to play mediocre psyker.
You and me 🤝
thorn cedar
ornate hamlet
Well, I can't - I only know how to play mediocre psyker.
Dam
Public queuing maelstrom is like a slot machine
Skmetimes u get some good teamates other times theyre trash
lilac mirage
wildfire or battery for purgatus build
strong gulch
wildfire or battery for purgatus build
Battery or flayre
If you can maintain warp charges, Battery will give more damage.
If you struggle to maintain charges, Kinetic Flayer can help.
hidden crystal
I did post this playthrough a couple of weeks back, at about the point I felt I was starting to get fully comfortable with Heresy. I'm now trying to play Damnation and kind of succeeding, with the only major difference being I've tossed the wound curio in the bin and traded it for a health one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_XfenGkEeE
But it's certainly not a standard psyker playstyle.
Oh, and I've finally spent my Imperial Edition Aquilas on something from the MTX shop.
strong gulch
BUT, Purg is pretty strong and lacks ranged management; even more so if your positioning isn't great, you can't utilize i-frames, and you have low cloud radius.
So you can try to make up for that by leaning into KB (kinetic barrage) or lean into the fire with AB (Ascendant blaze).
Wildfire doesn't add too much on a purg build compared to other to options.
lilac mirage
what are i frames
spice veldt
invincibility frames
basically, even if the attack passes through your hitbox, you won't get hit/take damage
lilac mirage
how does it work
strong gulch
Shooters with have a red flash right before they shoot. That helps with the timing.
There is a thing about it in the advanced tutorial; or at least there used to be.
Idk about the current tutorial.
spice veldt
the tutorial i think really only remarks on sprinting perpendicularly
and it only vaguely alludes to you being more unhittable while doing that
and not explicitly pointing out the i-frames that you get
oh there's the melee dodge tutorial (though that's also vague as fuck and explains NOTHING)
cyan notch
its ok nobody pays attention to that shit
even if they did explain it nobody would remember
strong gulch
so fecking true
hidden crystal
Oh, and I've finally spent my Imperial Edition Aquilas on something from the MTX...
You see, now I have armour, so it's slightly more plausible I can survive being shot that many times:
obsidian girder
my face is my shield
hidden crystal
It also helps that I can block bullets with my mind.
willow escarp
BUT, Purg is pretty strong and lacks ranged management; even more so if your pos...
wildfire is pretty hilarious though when you light up a horde that’s coming out of like a hole in the ceiling and if you go to the hole and look up, the ones that haven’t dropped down are already on fire
strong gulch
wildfire is pretty hilarious though when you light up a horde that’s coming out ...
For sure! I use wildfire on meme fire sword and get things running at the team already on fire. 😂
willow escarp
Oh yeah I’ve been lookin for illisi blazing spirit to do that build
psyker meme builds have been eluding me, just been burning plasteel looking for pinning fire on a shredder lol
strong gulch
It's like, those poxwalkers were rolling around in something. How can that be from me. 🙃
But then the level breaks and you can see how things are grouped and spawn in then it makes sense.
willow escarp
building ogryn was so easy by comparison since he doesn’t have a million weapons in his pool that I’m not gonna use on him
strong gulch
You could have 2 psykers to get more chances at finding blessings. 🙃
totally not based on a real life example
hidden crystal
psyker meme builds have been eluding me, just been burning plasteel looking for ...
The locks system really limits/discourages trying different builds. The whole idea that it forces trying different things is kind of bunk, because unless you're still building up your character you've probably already got something better than what Hadron just bricked.
harsh urchin
it doesn't really after the latest change
it's now pretty easy to get geared with early-game and mid-game gear
it's still hard to get end-game gear, but I think generally most people are okay with BiS gear being somewhat hard to get
hidden crystal
I really wish there was a mod that could let you completely customise your gear for solo play so you can work out if that idea you have is even worth the pain of trying to craft.
harsh urchin
the game is not that complicated imo, you can figure that out with your eyeballs
strong gulch
Ehhh. This might be a people experiencing or processing things in different ways.
It's important for people like me to get a feel for things vs it being best on paper.
hidden crystal
Things like damage falloff mean that what raw maths says will work may not reliably meet the right thresholds in actual missions.
strong gulch
Right. That.
hidden crystal
For example, if you know a gun can, in a straight calculation, reliably two bodyshot a given enemy type inside 18 metres, what does that mean in practice? Do you know how often you're shooting inside or outside that distance?
primal radish
Does enhanced blitz do anything for Psyker?
hidden crystal
Reduced peril on BBs
primal radish
Oh idk how I never noticed, will check that out
hidden crystal
About a 25% reduction as I heard.
willow escarp
The locks system really limits/discourages trying different builds. The whole id...
oh yeah it’s a bad system for sure
should work more like deep rock. once you get a blessing, you can add and remove it as you want infinitely
the whole weapon system is a bit bloated and over complicated. all the different MKs of the same weapon could be replaced with having mod trees on that weapon instead
neon steppe
Any other dueling sword fans? The extra mobility feels great for dodging the stagger proof nurgle blessed enemies
viral inlet
the whole weapon system is a bit bloated and over complicated. all the different...
almost as if an attachments system was scrapped during development or something
and what we got was marks which gives flashights to some weapons, to some it doesn't, it gives bayonets to some, to some it doesn't...
it gives incendiary to one shotgun, the other one gets a different type of ammo...
a bit roundabout way imo
I wonder how things would have been
Imagine being able to choose between a slap and a fist for Ogryn attacks
worldly chasm
Why do surges critical bonuses say Primary action melee crit chance and secondary action melee crit chance? Another text oversight from FS and it means primary and secondary actions?
harsh urchin
I wonder how things would have been
most likely it wasn't grindy enough
compared to forcing people to farm a completely new weapon from scratch each time
the latter definitely makes people waste more time
snow scaffold
Why do people like to bring psykers to maelstrom monstrosity they're the weakest class against them
neon steppe
I carried a maelstrom monstrosity as psyker last night. Every class works in every mission type.
lyric burrow
KB + WB will delete monstrosities in that mode
its not a bolter vet or thammer zealot but its still fine
willow escarp
im blanking. WB?
harsh urchin
@spice veldt how does this look?
harsh urchin
alright I'm returning this staff
and scrapping this build
tried out quell cancelling and i dont like the rsi it puts on my wrist
strong gulch
Why do surges critical bonuses say Primary action melee crit chance and secondar...
It's probably supposed to say "Special Action" for the melee crits. There are 2 hits in that attack chain.
lyric burrow
tried out quell cancelling and i dont like the rsi it puts on my wrist
i think there are macros if you arent bothered by using it
ionic frost
Why do surges critical bonuses say Primary action melee crit chance and secondar...
Because Fatshark. They move at glacier speed. It's just not supposed to say melee, but it does. They just never fixed it with being on vacation for a total of 3-4 months out of the past 9 months...
lyric burrow
i dont use it so idk where id get it but i think a few people around here use it
strong gulch
Because Fatshark. They move at glacier speed. It's just not supposed to say me...
There is melee on staves tho.
ionic frost
but it applies to primary and secondary staff attacks
nobody uses staff melee outside sedition difficulty
my operative could punch harder than that thing hits
they should change staff melee to a melee push...that'd be infinitely more useful
strong gulch
But it exists. The primary and secondary is up there, but so is the melee.
So the numbers should be up there.
A push would be more useful for sure.
ionic frost
there is no "primary action melee" or "secondary action melee"
just remove the word melee, that's what the functionality is
they just haven't fixed the text display
strong gulch
That's not what I said lol.
The melee part isn't the issue. Also yes that the "primary action" and "secondary action" don't make sense.
Staves have melee as the "Special Action".
So melee, however much it's used or not, should be up on the table.
ionic frost
What if I told you that surge staff "Special Action" does not get increased melee chance?
I don't know if that's intended or not, but it only applies to primary and secondary attacks.
strong gulch
What are u talking about?
Not M1. Not charged M2.
The staff bonk.
strong gulch
Ok. I miss understood what you were saying. I thought you were confusing the the melee bonk for primary and secondary. Like the melee didn't exist.
Two different covos were happening.
ionic frost
ah my bad
but they do need to either give the staff bonk 5x more dmg at the very least...or just change it to something more useful
it'd only make sense as it is now if it took you 3 seconds to switch to a melee weapon
strong gulch
ah my bad
np
I'd love the the special action be something else. Even if it was just a meme but it was fun or satfying in some way.
ionic frost
i wonder if in some version of the game...primary and secondary staff attacks also did a melee attack when released? =D
strong gulch
No clue.
brazen warren
staff special attacks have been a melee since launch, its just that you would never use the melee for anything other than a quick poke as a meme
mint oracle
what do you fellas like as perks on purgatus? crit rate/crit damage or something like +25% flak/maniac?
...actually soulblaze can't crit can it
harsh urchin
crit/flak/unyielding
neon steppe
I still think special action should at least do melee attack based on your staff - purg lights enemies aflame, surge shocks, void and trauma are a warp blast
Would still be mostly useless but would be cool
strong gulch
crit rate specifically because crits help you get to max soulbaze stacks faster.
Not crit damage tho.
burnt granite
Does anyone have a rundown on how Psykinetic's Aura works?
hidden crystal
If you kill an elite or special, you and everyone in your coherency radius gets 15% back towards their ult cooldown.
burnt granite
So only if you kill them, not like demo-team?
hidden crystal
It has to be you that gets the kill.
Which makes it kind of frustrating at times.
burnt granite
It seems like maybe the best choice for 15, assuming you don't want to be lazy
hidden crystal
Which makes it kind of frustrating at times.
... yes, Mr Veteran, it's a very nice gun, but if you stopped shooting the person who's about to be dead in 5 milliseconds, then you'd be able to use your ult again sooner.
stray mulch
Anyone got any tips for the Pick n’ Mix penance?
Literally feel like I kill a lot more than four in 12 seconds yet I get nothing
hidden crystal
If you're running Kinetic Barrage, the main thing that means it's still difficult is your teammates shooting the targets before you can kill them.
willow escarp
Psykinetics aura is great with kinetic barrage
since you can just quickly burst a several elites in succession, thus refilling your ult very quickly
spice veldt
Why do people like to bring psykers to maelstrom monstrosity they're the weakest...
you're right, I should bring my lvl 24 zealot into it instead
lyric burrow
Does anyone have advice for improving once youve hit the point where you can consistently clear hi int damnation but can't very consistently clear auric/histg? I feel like im hitting a bit of a plateau and not learning what i could have done better after a wipe like i used to
spice veldt
it helps to record footage of your gameplay, assuming that you're not already doing that
I like to look over my own footage occasionally and see what I could've done better
harsh urchin
Does anyone have advice for improving once youve hit the point where you can con...
QQ how are your runs ending
or better yet
how are you dying in the runs that end
spice veldt
i don't really clear the non-monstrosity maelstroms consistently either, though besides bad teammates, it's partly because I'm also the bad teammate who is insanely greedy for kills and goes out of position to get them
and if I don't get teammates who are good at DPS-checking the waves, then we'll just die from being overwhelmed because we didn't kite to a better position
lyric burrow
how are you dying in the runs that end
Sometimes im def too greedy to revive and put myself in a bad spot, and i think i challege ranged a little too much in some spots where its too open/numbers are just too big for me to safely fight something in sight of the shooters
I also find myself to be last or 2nd to last alive
harsh urchin
Sometimes im def too greedy to revive and put myself in a bad spot, and i think ...
One thing you can try to do
lyric burrow
I def over value having more people up
harsh urchin
I see something people do is there try to revive people who are super dead
And they end up taking a bunch of dmg or going down to do it
lyric burrow
Like it kinda becomes my no.1 priority when someone goes down and ill end up sacrificing myself for it
harsh urchin
Yep
So first clear the area
And if theyre still alive, then revive
Or at least, stabilize the situation
lyric burrow
Yeah fair i can def try that
Is being last or 2nd to last alive something worth looking into
Cause that could be bad teammates but i try not to blame them
Unless its obvious
spice veldt
if you can handle it, you can always roam alone to try to take the brunt of the special spawns
lyric burrow
Been running illisi trauma recently but ill swap between deimos and illisi
Sometimes ill go deimos purge/void but much less often
lyric burrow
Generally any time its not something the team is blantly aware of
Even then if i think people need to deal with it immediately
harsh urchin
Tagging enemies is very very important because it is one of the few times you can direct the monkeys on your team
You can tell them how to prioritize
By tagging the flamer for example
So theyll focus that instead of something else that might not wipe the team
Because one issue a lot of ppl have is target priority
They prioritize the wrong enemy
So you just tell them how they should prioritize
hidden crystal
Make the area safe
In theory, I can safely revive in the middle of a horde (I'm running +Stamina and Kinetic Deflection)... but it does rely somewhat on the downed player actually making an effort to tag threats that will bypass my block.
harsh urchin
Last question is
lyric burrow
One issue i have is ill actually see people prioritize not super threatening elites (a reaper so far away that it cant hit me often at all) over the 50 regular shooters spread out and they take a bunch of chip to shooters
harsh urchin
How often are you dropping the health pack vs holding it for the finale?
lyric burrow
Context dependent, if we really need it ill drop it if someone else has one im more leniant with it
harsh urchin
The last very obvious mistake people make is not spending resources
They hold their medipack or their grenade to "save it"
lyric burrow
Once 2 people drop below 50 and its still an actively bad spot ill drop it
harsh urchin
And then the team wipes with 2 medipacks anf 3 grenades
Ye so in histg
You cant really wait for 2 people
If one person is at risk its fine to just drop it
lyric burrow
Ok i wasnt sure if that was considered a waste assuming we arent next to medicae
But yeah a half used pack is probably better than a dead team
As for ammo its kinda the same, Context dependent but generally 2 people in yellow ill probably drop it one red one yellow im for sure dropping it
harsh urchin
Those are the 3 main mistakes imo i see people make
autumn smelt
I just had an idea (crazy I know, there's always a first for everything)
Imagine how cool it would be if curios had class specific perk options on them
Psyker obviously would work best with peril quelling and peril resist
Veteran could have reload speed and ammo maximum increases
Zealot could have melee attack speed and either a reduced cooldown or increased duration of their Until Death invulnerability (most likely the latter, the former might be too good)
Ogryns could have a small flat toughness damage resistance across the board, and maybe increased impact from heavy attacks idk I don't really play ogryn so they would have a better idea of what would be good but not overpowered
lyric burrow
In a team of 3 ammo users that is
harsh urchin
- Trying to rezz ppl without stabilizing the situation 2. Focusing the wrong enemy when there are multiple threats 3. Not using consumables
hidden crystal
Ok i wasnt sure if that was considered a waste assuming we arent next to medicae
Don't do what a player once did on a Relay Station mission I was in and drop a medikit in the airlock before the mid-event.
I mean, literally 20 metres from a med station that's always fully charged.
hidden crystal
Worse, a med station that's always fully charged and that you can't come back to after you drop down.
lyric burrow
Yes
harsh urchin
In histg, it's often times a big mistakr
lyric burrow
I never do that cause everytime someone else does it they die
harsh urchin
In lower difficulty and low int people do it a lot
But in histg, its better to try to make progress
lyric burrow
Its such a bad spot i usually wont even follow them
Esp if its a decent ways
If both sides of the team get overwhelmed it sucks
autumn smelt
Honestly I'll do it if it's REALLY close, like 1 room back and nothing is going on, never had any issues on either end of the team doing that.
and if someone else does it, if it's around the same distance, I'll accompany them
But if it's far, they're on their own
hidden crystal
Trying to double back for health atation charges
I will however admit that I was not entirely impressed on one of tonight's missions when I told a heavily battered team we should go back for health after the Excise Vault mid-event (which is a little out of the way, but it's not like Comms-Plex or the like where there's always a massive spawn that forces you to run for it - it's actually quite quiet) and everyone ignored me.
Often, yes, it's stupid to double back, but when the team is already wounded and it's a short walk to a largely unused med-station that would be relatively safe if the entire team went as one, that's stupid too.
harsh urchin
the game changes a bit as the difficulty goes up
Tactics and weapons that worked may all of a sudden stop working
I recommend you play a few histgs and see for yourself
hidden crystal
This wasn't a histg.
harsh urchin
My comment was responding to yoshi who was asking about it
hidden crystal
Mind you, this was with couple of vets who were barely past Lvl 30, wouldn't stick together, ignored stalled interrogators, wouldn't tag anything, kept shooting the trash enemies I was trying to refill my warp charges, and thought that shooting Crushers with a lasgun was a good strategy.
autumn smelt
Mind you, this was with couple of vets who were barely past Lvl 30, wouldn't sti...
The destiny player mindset
hidden crystal
Despite the fact they wouldn't stick together in the first place and had spread themselves out across the mid-event near different data terminals, I still ended up having to sprint back and forth to deal with the interrogators.
steel flame
Mmmmmm not having much fun with monstrosity auric missions. Spawns are not very fun to fight
Kinda sucky boss design
It was fine in vermintide 2 when stuff wasn't shooting you while being locked into blocking a spawn but in darktide it's just not fun being surrounded be enemies shooting and not being allowed to do anything but block because there is a spawn in your face
spice veldt
yeah it pressures your team significantly more and it forces you to kite if there aren't enough teammates up, which is one of the most unfun things for me to do
a chaos spawn is always going to occupy a teammate's full attention for the most part unlike the other bosses
and when it is possible to get >3 of them...
and it's harder to come back because you can't really outrun it and revive a teammate
hidden crystal
I had a pretty messy mission with just one spawn earlier. Trying to find gaps where I could try to clear out the horde and shooters to give us more space to deal with the spawn.
spice veldt
their grab occurs relatively frequently; they don't have an easily blockable combo like the plogryn; they're significantly faster than the bonbon
well, their combos are easily blockable
but they can also follow up with the damn grab
that pretty much requires you to already have some distance between it to dodge
or have a godlike reaction time to dodge to the right
so hard to get revives off
restive slate
It'd be more fun if enemies are terrified and suppressed when a Chaos Spawn is stomping around, noone still sane should continue as is with the risk of being tentacled
autumn smelt
honestly, my biggest issue with it is just the fact that while you can kite it, you literally cannot retaliate while doing so without getting hit
restive slate
Or better idea, Chaos Spawn can attack anyone. Like how BoN eats grunts
autumn smelt
so if one person has its attention, they have to rely on the rest of the team to damage it, which almost never is able to happen in higher difficulties
restive slate
1v1 with Spawn is never fun
autumn smelt
1v1 with Spawn is never fun
i have a clip 
restive slate
Try as I might, I still get grabbed half the time
autumn smelt
restive slate
Yikes, blessed spawn
autumn smelt
the entire team was full health and present when it spawned
autumn smelt
I once saw a Blessed Daemonhost
actually pretty common in those missions imo
unless your team triggered it
spice veldt
4 man th zealot team to kill a blessed daemonhost
restive slate
Sounds like a potential phub title
Blessed daemonic hostess takes on four priests thrusting their hammers
lyric burrow
I dont hate spawns but they are def the most annoying combined with other stuff
restive slate
How about... 5 Spawns?
lyric burrow
i did get 6 actual bosses in 5 minutes yesterday
not all spawns thankfully
fighting 3 bosses at one time was interesting
restive slate
BoN slow, Plogryn can be danced around
Spawn... Dodge and block for dear life if it's on you
lyric burrow
force swords unlimited dodge at least allows me to keep distance on the grab cause i can just dodge back forever
i need to keep track of where i am tho
spice veldt
and our fast stamina regen does let you consistently block a chaos spawn over time
unlike say, a vet who is going to have their smoker lungs worn out
marble locust
Chaos spawn can be parried his rushdown every hit with catachans
restive slate
If only catachan parry actually did something haha
marble locust
Just stops you from taking the hits basically.
autumn smelt
a boss just spawned and we couldnt see it yet, at the first bridge in the area exclusive to archivum sycorax, and someone on my team shoots the barrel on the bridge that is right next to me and i literally no way to get out of its radius in time, since i had to stop charging bb to be able to actually have the mobility to get away, so i just got through off the bridge
the boss wasnt even visible yet, so either they arent the brightest, or were literally throwing
spice veldt
this fucking trauma psyker
bad trauma psykers are so much more tilting as a non psyker
since I no longer have the mobility of force swords
half of the time I melee'd, they decided to just trauma me instead of moving forward or exploring somewhere else
jesus fucking christ
whoever is named telephonesis on NA west can go fuck themselves
stuck bridge
left or right? just rolled right, not sure what to replace tbh
grizzled iris
left or right? just rolled right, not sure what to replace tbh
Right one can reroll precognition to slaughterer and crit to maniac.
The first one is just dead tbh.
autumn smelt
left or right? just rolled right, not sure what to replace tbh
when i used uncanny strike, i was able to latch on with the deimos charged special to a crushers head, which gave near full stacks of rending, then i was able to quickly light>heavy the head with uncharged stab attacks for a quick kill
so it has its use tbh, just not as good as other options
this was with t3 rending btw, so youll have no problem pulling it off with t4 as well as that +carapace
restive slate
Just stops you from taking the hits basically.
Not overheads haha
eternal cargo
bad trauma psykers are so much more tilting as a non psyker
I don't know what's worse, bad trauma psyker or bad surge psykers
eternal cargo
Not overheads haha
Overheads and similar attacks that magnetically seek you out are stupid, anyways
upper galleon
I don't know what's worse, bad trauma psyker or bad surge psykers
Can I add bad purge psykers who never BB or use sword
Who cares if you are doing single digit damage that crusher is gonna burn
grizzled iris
Or just put it like this, every single player just sucks at the game. There you go
zealous sierra
half of the time I melee'd, they decided to just trauma me instead of moving for...
?
eternal cargo
Or just put it like this, every single player just sucks at the game. There you ...
You just can't comprehend their incomparable minds
upper galleon
Trauma wouldn't be that bad if they didn't fucking move their circle too far forward and blast things behind me
Making it harder to backpedal and dodge cause a poxwalker is laying on my feet
cedar roost
best trauma perks/blessings?
restive slate
Making it harder to backpedal and dodge cause a poxwalker is laying on my feet
I got mad at my buddies yesterday because of something like that, knocking enemies down but not killing them. I got stuck on enemies I didn't know were still alive and I got combo-ed by the Rager I was trying to back up from
restive slate
best trauma perks/blessings?
Depends what kind of Trauma you want. There's the Armour Rending one and the Fire Trauma(which is my fave)
cedar roost
i just want want the best perks and blessings to run with it for heresy+
restive slate
Your main focus is dealing with hordes so flak/unarmored/infested and blessing is as I said, if you want armour rending or burn on crit
Or if none, you could go Warp Nexus/Warp Flurry
If you find yourself getting interrupted a lot during the charge you can run that lvl2 blessing that stops interruption(forgot the name)
spice veldt
?
using your staff has the cost of slowing you down and generating peril, and that's time and peril that could've been spent elsewhere
e.g., not on the enemies that I was about to kill
plucky flax
I am in the attic. 
grizzled iris
best trauma perks/blessings?
Focused channeling + Warp flurry / Warp Nexus + Blazing Spirit
eternal cargo
I wish AoEs had less damage drop-off
static mango
Trauma Force staff would be broken even more
spice veldt
i'm on the side of nerfing all AoE weapons
static mango
I don't think that needs to happen
static mango
Oh including melee?
spice veldt
or make their damage more insignificant
some melees need their cleave and/or cleave distributions toned down
static mango
Illisi probably
spice veldt
yeah that's the one that sticks in my mind
static mango
Bull butcher should be toned down a hair
spice veldt
and/or nerf its mobility
static mango
And psword
Illisi mobility isn't fantastic
The infinite dodges are what helps it there
spice veldt
the mobility while attacking is pretty good
mhm
nerf that
infinite anything is just a bit silly
static mango
Infinite dodges is strange but timed correctly are less useful than the duelling swords
spice veldt
in conjunction with the offensive power of the force swords?
it's not solely the mobility that makes them strong
it's their offensive power AND their mobility
static mango
It's nutty that the Illisi is a horde clear
spice veldt
you're making no significant tradeoffs by picking the force swords over the other melee weapons
static mango
And rinses elites
static mango
Yes
spice veldt
i'm fine with the force swords maintaining some offensive superiority, but that should come at the cost of something
static mango
Psyker should still have good melee damage, he is the glass cannon class after all
But not as nutty as it is now
spice veldt
yeah
static mango
Deimos and Illisi are very very very insane
spice veldt
having uptime on your dodges at all time provides a lot of safety
to the extent of removing the glass aspect
eternal cargo
i'm on the side of nerfing all AoE weapons
Raycasts for damage/penetration, smaller but more deadly AoEs would solve that
spice veldt
yeah, trading off between damage and AoE/targets hit
spice veldt
🙂
plucky flax
Illisi light spam to reduce cleave.
spice veldt
:))))))))
cold geode
should work yea, but surge doesnt proc alot
slate sun
bottom left looks best
slate sun
should work yea, but surge doesnt proc alot
from the first test - it seems transfer peril would still work better
it's very easy to overheat cause voidstrike pumps peril pretty heavily
with high levels of peril though surge seems to proc quite often
if you shoot a horde I guess you'll usually crit something with like 15-25% crit chance
did anyone try this build out ?
slate sun
Yup, WF + TP are still the best I believe
but I always seem to lack the damage burst on damnation
whole oxide
(and buff duelling swords pls)
easy switch would be to give the duelling swords the infinte dodges instead, fits better on them
then need to make the duelling sword special something actually useful, like a parry/counter, and they'd start to be not totally useless
slate sun
any chance to save this ?
whole oxide
i'd probably keep both blessings and trade out both perks for a flurry/inner-tranq build, or you could trade out both blessings to nexus/blazing for blazing build, and just accept having 1 dead perk in stamina
the difference between t3 and t4 for flurry/rending isn't so huge that you have to have t4
slate sun
thx 🙂
shadow wigeon
did anyone try this build out ?
Yes, it’s not great. It does raise your damage (crits effectively get +100% base damage, as the extra attack is a regular void ball), but sometimes there’s no target for it (if the first hit killed your target anyway). It’s not bad, but TP/WF is just much stronger.
shadow wigeon
any chance to save this ?
It’s quite strong. Keep the blessings and swap perks to +damage as you see fit. Flak, unarmored, infested are good candidates to speed up horde clear.
+elites can work too if you prefer to horde clear with melee.
whole oxide
+elites can work too if you prefer to horde clear with melee.
careful, the breakpoint police will take you to minmax jail
shadow wigeon
careful, the breakpoint police will take you to minmax jail
Ironically it’s a minimum security institution and you can just walk out the front door.
near wyvern
Yup, WF + TP are still the best I believe
Nexus spirit is a working alternative but requires you to master quell cancel and edging. It doesn't have a slow start up but is a bit less effective against trash horde.
slate sun
Nexus spirit is a working alternative but requires you to master quell cancel an...
but on voidstrike ? Quell cancel + edging becomes required cause of the high peril pumping right ?
whole oxide
but on voidstrike ? Quell cancel + edging becomes required cause of the high per...
only if you're going for blazing/nexus
with Transfer you don't have to worry about peril at all
and blazing/nexus void is a massive meme
spice veldt
it's time for your barrage to be inspired
zealous sierra
it's time for your barrage to be inspired
It's tell me to waste all the ammo in the map
spice veldt
that too
whole oxide
Speedload to Pinning, Reload to Flak
spice veldt
vet chat might know of some breakpoints, but I'm comfortable with dumping either mobility or collateral yeah
slate sun
and blazing/nexus void is a massive meme
it's gonna be the same with Surge / Nexus, there is so much peril ramping up that it becomes more of a meme.
I guess going half way with Surge / Transfer won't make sense either due to the low crit rate of the weapon
whole oxide
its not really the peril-ramping thats the issue, its more the hit/blast mechanics mean that there is little value in having additional effects happening for stuff you are already hitting with crits
basic trash will already be dead, and big stuff you shouldn't be spamming void at anyway
fallow falcon
slate sun
basic trash will already be dead, and big stuff you shouldn't be spamming void a...
That's precisely what I was aiming for, to be able to delete crushers etc. with voidstrike
works out quite well on heresy 😄 but I think on damnation it will just become unmanageable
spice veldt
yeah voidstrike's single-target DPS is just not there
whole oxide
6-7 fully charged headshots to kill a crusher on damnation
which is fine if you're 1v1 to safely manage it, but, when there's 50 other things to also manage, you can't really take the time to do that
hidden crystal
At that point, just break out the brain burst.
whole oxide
it'd make sense i guess if they're very tightly packed, but, its pretty rare for stuff to be so tightly packed for void's relatively small blast to be effective
slate sun
With surge procing it can be 3 shots if you're lucky, but it's not reliable and it pumps up peril to the max, so after you're done you need to start quelling right away
altogether easier to deal with this with BB ...
zealous sierra
Stopping power is sad
whole oxide
man, finally got around to installing Creature Spawner, and testing Wildfire, its such utter dogshit
zealous sierra
Why use Purge with Illisis again?
hidden crystal
If you really, really, really hate hordes.
spice veldt
maybe toughness regen if you're not running warp absorption
zealous sierra
Do I run faster bb for illisi and shredder?
zealous sierra
@spice veldt poke
Well crusher seems like a pain when I tried it out
So maybe I do need that bb
spice veldt
o kinetic barrage with illisi/shredder?
yeah that's also what I run
very nice for the ogryn enemies
spice veldt
there's the ascendant blaze synergy, though I myself don't like it
though I always run kinetic barrage regardless even with purg
since it's the only lvl30 feat that is a direct upgrade with no downsides
zealous sierra
Hate having to refill my warp charges
plucky flax
man, finally got around to installing Creature Spawner, and testing Wildfire, it...
Don't mind me using wildfire on both purga and blaze trauma.
lyric burrow
I find kb is always nice
whole oxide
Don't mind me using wildfire on both purga and blaze trauma.
i'll post video at some point, but, in essence, big horde of poxwalkers, stretching about halfway across the psykanium, tightly packed together
set one end of the line burning with a full purgatus channel
guess how far across the psykanium the wildfire moves?
slate sun
I hope it's really far ... (using wildfire on all fire builds)
plucky flax
Well 4 stacks won't kill a poxwalker.
whole oxide
ya, it only moves 1 hop, about the reach of a melee attack
zealous sierra
I don't feel inspiring barrage helping me with shredder
No idea what I'm doing wrong here
maybe timing
plucky flax
You're using it wrongly.
slate sun
something wrong with the test then 😄
zealous sierra
You're using it wrongly.
Show me the way
spice veldt
mostly for ranged engagements where you're trading out a bunch of toughness
plucky flax
Show me the way
Press f or build up at least 4 stacks, switch to melee with slaughterer, then kill enemies to get 5 stacks.
spice veldt
if you're ammo conscious, then you might not be firing it long enough to proc it enough
spice veldt
i think that IB rounds you out better
sudden trellis
tried illisi for the first time.
cant go back to the others now...
spice veldt
you could go for more damage, but it should be remarked that with +100% from pinning, +50% power from BA is a relative 1.25x increase to power
so it'll just be for when you're mag dumping into mutants without anything to proc pinning on or something
I'm currently running inspiring barrage on my vet, but that's also because i'm literally not dodging
my barrage is inspired by my unwavering focus
i focused my unwavering to inspire my barrage
lyric burrow
You could inspire a lot with unwavering
spice veldt
you do lose out on some ammo efficiency, but it's not too terrible for now
i melee a lot even on vet, so maybe that helps
lyric burrow
I feel like you should be meleeing on vet when they arent distant high priority targets/shooters in a pack or at range
His melee is quite good
What do you run for his melee
Psword seems closest to illisi
spice veldt
the ppsword
extremely whack
i thought it was taken down a notch after the nerf
but nope lamayo
it's annoying to lose your charge whenever you take damage, but that has not been a problem for now
whole oxide
Press f or build up at least 4 stacks, switch to melee with slaughterer, then ki...
hmm, yes, interesting, wildfire can cross the entire psykanium, if able to maintain 5 slaughterer stacks by killing other stuff, although it takes like 3 minutes to do so
plucky flax
It used to be good.
When fire stacks slaughterer for you automatically.
Now you gotta melee kills.
zealous sierra
Ingame Chat broken
tawny kernel
I love the helmet on the psyker
makes my Psyker look like she not doin so swell
most mentaly well Psyker
feral inlet
does surge actually make voidstrike's m2 shoot twice? or is it only for m1
slate sun
yes the loaded projectile fires twice
With Nexus it really sounds amazing ... on paper
lyric burrow
Yeah trauma is the one where it only works on m1
silk flax
does surge actually make voidstrike's m2 shoot twice? or is it only for m1
I have a VoidStrike with surge and Warp nexus... but it still lacks a lot imo
Not enough dmg or blast radius. Just lacking alot compared to other staffs
Maybe if they buff one of these days.
This build for Voidstrike does better imo. Actually kills stuff, but still a little slower compared to other staffs
deft hornet
Where can I find some good builds for a force sword and force staff combo?
lyric burrow
Idk if theres any documented but most people here can answer questions you have
Do you know what combos you want to run
deft hornet
Any of the variants are cool with me, mainly I'm not sure what to do with my feats.
And being how those weapons use peril then I want to be smart about it too
feral inlet
This build for Voidstrike does better imo. Actually kills stuff, but still a lit...
have you tried warp nexus + blazing? maybe if you use animation cancelling to spam you could apply a dozen stacks of soulblaze in under a couple seconds
idk if blazing is even good on staffs other than trauma
lyric burrow
Generally 3-1-1/2(preference) 1/2(preference) 1-(preference)
I personally run 3-1-1-2-1-3 for pretty much all staff builds and it works well
deft hornet
I personally run 3-1-1-2-1-3 for pretty much all staff builds and it works well
When you say 3, do you mean the third one down, then from left to right also?
lyric burrow
Yeah so 3 would be the 3rd feat down in a column
And im just listing across the columns
lyric burrow
What are you running rn
I think the only 2 that are just best are warp battery and warp unleashed
Not a lot of competition there
lyric burrow
If your running illisi/trauma i highly recommend quiettude
Which is the 3rd feat in the first column
So really run quiettude + warp unleashed + warp battery
Rest is up to you
I mean it all is up to you but those 3 are regarded as the best for what your asking about
deft hornet
Cool, this helps a lot. There's definitely a lot more to the witch then the rest
deft hornet
If your running illisi/trauma i highly recommend quiettude
Trauma is lightning and Illisi is the forked ended sword?
lyric burrow
Lightning is surge
Illisi is the more traditional looking sword
Deimos has the big tip
deft hornet
Which can do more crowd control?
lyric burrow
Trauma is the one with a circle you slam down
Illisi
Illisi is very very good at horde clear whereas deimos is single target
deft hornet
Ok right now I'm rocking the deimos and voidstrike
lyric burrow
They are very strong so can technically do both but you'll need the right blessings and perks
deft hornet
Honestly I'm more for crowd control and switching up gear sounds like a good change
lyric burrow
Best cc staff is likely purg(fire one) or trauma but you need to be careful with trauma cause it can knock enemies behind your team
Which makes melee significantly harder for them
Void is also good at clearing hordes but requires the right position
deft hornet
So void does AOE when it charges, right?
lyric burrow
Not really
It shoots a ball through a line of 6 poxwalkers if you hit them in the head unless fully charged in which case it goes till it hits something solid(body,maniac,armor that it doesnt one shot) or a wall
Iirc
The blast aoe at the end doesnt really do much
So its all about landing the headshots down the horde
Cause the explosion isnt super strong and has low cleave limit
deft hornet
Ah ok, that makes sense
lyric burrow
Its not great at single target so i reccomend using the sword for that
Light 1 -> heavy 1 is your main combo to kill just about anything that isnt a horde with deimos
deft hornet
Purge is starting to sound my style
lyric burrow
For horde clear just do lights headheight
Yeah purge just murders hordes and staggers single targets with m1
Purge/deimos is a very strong combo
Might be worth trying ascendant blaze as level 30 feat with purge since i hear some people like that but its not mandatory
deft hornet
Purge/deimos is a very strong combo
I'll try that first, will that be good with your feat recommendations?
lyric burrow
For the most part, might be worth trying warp absorption over quiettude with it but quiettude is still fine
And then maybe ascendant blaze as mentioned
But neither are needed swaps, but worth seeing which you prefer
Everything else the same though
For blessings in case you arent aware you want:
Purge: warp nexus/warp flurry with flak/crit chance or maniac, up to you
Deimos: slaughterer/unstable power or deflector, up to you with maniac or flak or carapace ive seen both
harsh urchin
I'll try that first, will that be good with your feat recommendations?
cookie cutter is 311(1 or 2)12
deft hornet
Thanks for all the tips and feedback!
lyric burrow
Np have fun
tropic vigil
Has the game gotten any significant updates or anything coming soon?
Like new staffs or anything?
lyric burrow
Unknown
They have something in the works im guessing but we dont have confirmation its anything like that
harsh urchin
Has the game gotten any significant updates or anything coming soon?
yes
expect a big content drop in november
tropic vigil
Cool. Haven't played in a decent while, but still don't want to "give up" on the game but content was lacking.
harsh urchin
but it's pretty obvious they're going to time it like that
tropic vigil
Bg3 has a vice grip on me.
harsh urchin
Cool. Haven't played in a decent while, but still don't want to "give up" on the...
they added a new patch a week ago
that adds a new mission selector that is quite challenging
tropic vigil
Might give it a go this weekend.
lyric burrow
Yeah new missions are fun if you hate yourself
dull remnant
Yeah new missions are fun if you hate yourself
i like them. guess that tells a lot about me :/
lyric burrow
I was mostly joking
I like them too
They are just very hard and sometimes ai director says fuck you
dull remnant
They are just very hard and sometimes ai director says fuck you
true. but finally we have a real challenge
lyric burrow
Yeah im glad
Theres some ill pass on like lights out + hunting grounds + monstrosities
Just cause i dont think id like that with lights out and i don't like hunting grounds
Ill play just about anything else tho
dull remnant
ill take whatever director throws at me, but lights out+ bosses and hounds, or gauntlet is truly mad
lyric burrow
Yeah esp as psyker lights out isnt my favorite
Wish i could tape a light to my staff or somethjng
Poor ogryn gets nothing
dull remnant
u got to glue yourself on the back of your ogryn and light everything up
dull remnant
squishy psyk needs some protection there
slate sun
For trauma I should look for flurry and rending or flurry with nexus ?
Any cookie cutter builds you guys can suggest ?
I have to give up on Voidstrike ... surge doesn't do any of the wonders I expected from it
slate sun
thx, still looking for soulblaze 4
lyric burrow
Cookie cutter build is like 3/1/1/2/1/choice of F
I think blazing 4 might not exist on staves
Might be wrong
whole oxide
For trauma I should look for flurry and rending or flurry with nexus ?
Any cooki...
Flurry is the main thing, Rending is entirely optional, it does nothing for you
slate sun
thanks
whole oxide
thx, still looking for soulblaze 4
i don't think blazing 4 exists atm
so i wouldn't burn resources looking for it
boreal wave
So a few days ago I came across someone using the surge staff in damnation. He had warp nexus and warp Flurry. But his perks were interesting: +crit chance and +crit damage. From what I've heard, the crit perks are terrible. What's the community's thoughts?
spice veldt
+crit dmg is maybe the only bad one
I prefer a damage perk over +crit chance, but you do get a bump in consistency, and the LMB bolt has pretty good crit multipliers
silk flax
have you tried warp nexus + blazing? maybe if you use animation cancelling to sp...
havent tried blazing yet.
steel flame
It's fun though it takes getting used to
steel flame
havent tried blazing yet.
this is what i use for blazing void staff. its a fun change of pace
only really struggles with monstrocity maelstrom
autumn smelt
so im kinda stupid, and only just now realized that "enhanced blitz" was refering you improved grenades
how does that affect BB?
spice veldt
-50% peril on cast
autumn smelt
spice veldt
so for the LMB, instead of generating 20% + 25% = 45% peril, you'll generate 20% + 12.5% = 32.5% peril
autumn smelt
thats kinda huge when paired with peril reducing feats
whole oxide
not really, peril doesn't stop you BBing
autumn smelt
it slows you down a slight bit for that quick quell
whole oxide
yeah, like, 0.2 seconds
autumn smelt
but going from 0-100 would take so long and you could pop specialist heads lightning fast with PW
spice veldt
the thing is that you can already utilize kinetic barrage to its fullest potential by default
and peril generation is not too much of an issue in the era after the quelling buffs
whole oxide
it would be a big deal if you had to quell down such that the full BB didn't go over 100, but given that you just have to quell down to 97, the peril cost is effectively meaningless
spice veldt
maybe if we had to quell peril that went beyond 100% instead of it being essentially free
autumn smelt
idk but maybe i just value being able to not have to pay attention to my peril during a tense moment, which is normally when id be BBing multiple things
the fact that i can fully pay attention to whats going on, where im position, and whats targeting me has some merit in my experience
slate sun
only really struggles with monstrocity maelstrom
Just to be clear, it works on damnation for you? I'm quite suprized if so, gotta try it out
steel flame
Just to be clear, it works on damnation for you? I'm quite suprized if so, gotta...
Yep
slate sun
and with ascendant blaze? Does it really generate enough fire stacks?
steel flame
With regular groups of enemies it struggles to get stacks but as soon as you get a decent group of enemies you can max your stacks pretty quick and keep them up
But that really doesn't hinder your damage all that much
slate sun
in comparison with flurry + transfer peril you mean ?
steel flame
No clue. It's been ages since I used flurry transfer void
Still usually lead damage in high shock damnation so it does well enough in the damage category and anything that isn't straight up killed gets finished by the fire. Build gets stronger the more enemies there are and you can hold a horde back indefinitely
I wouldn't take it on regular damnation if I ever played that. Not enough enemies to get the snowball going
slate sun
Such is the way with fire, I believe the only reason why blaze trauma is a thing is that it has a better crit base (?)
But overall, purgatus would probably end up being more efficient
steel flame
Nah trauma has no special crit bonus
But it's great peril generation and super wide range make it's crits really good
Plus it's still a trauma staff to boot
I prefer blaze trauma and blaze void over purgatus in terms of fire builds since they aren't limited in their range like the purgatus and are more than capable of getting a good blaze going over a much wider area than the purgatus
slate sun
it's true that it suffers a lot in open areas, but overall the best burst damage, I guess only gun psykers beat it
it's just ... it is quite boring 😄 and you can't see a lot through the fire
and I do miss the snapping sounds of a good hit so much ...
fathom adder
I'm just not wrapping my head around the Blazing Trauma / Voidstrike builds. You have at most a 30% chance to crit, and Blazing Spirit only applies 3 stacks which is fuckall?
steel flame
it's true that it suffers a lot in open areas, but overall the best burst damage...
If you do try it I recommend using quitetide rather than warp absorption while you get used to it. I've gotten used to letting the fire and the void shots keep my toughness up but it took awhile to get comfortable with that
steel flame
I'm just not wrapping my head around the Blazing Trauma / Voidstrike builds. You...
If you press r after every cast you can spam the charged shots extremely fast making it very good at spreading fire
Crit chance becomes a lot more reasonable
fathom adder
I guess I have to find win at the slots some good staves and just try them for myself. Even with R canceling I just can't imagine it applying fast enough, consistently enough.
slate sun
You need to quell a lot too right? Since there's no vent in the form of transfer peril. Quietitude is what I only ever use honestly
steel flame
It also has the bonus of both criting with the projectile and the explosion so spreads 6 stacks on targets alot of the time
fathom adder
DoT effects in this game need at least 6 stacks + Power boost (e.g. Pinning Fire) to even kill a pox walker
You do get some damage from the staff itself but not much with minimum charge
slate sun
Fully charged only right?
steel flame
I use min and half charge with 3/4 charge mixed in
When I need more penetration I use higher charges
slate sun
HM... But then there is hardly any damage from the projectiles
So the damage comes mostly from the fire?
steel flame
But the min is nice because it only penetrates a few before exploding spreading fire much faster than higher charged shots and I can shoot them faster
whole oxide
the burning effect from blazing trauma/void is just a bit of extra damage to finish off already low targets, or soften them up. you'll need to land staff/sword hits to actually convert into kills
steel flame
Get 6 stacks going and pop a 3/4 ult and the horde goes away regardless
slate sun
Thanks dude 🙂 will definitely try it out. I even got the soulblaze blessing already
steel flame
And wildfire keeps the stacks up as you kill stuff
whole oxide
capped at 4 stacks...
steel flame
Your working with 6 on most hits anyway so
whole oxide
wildfire won't transfer to something that already has 6 stacks
steel flame
Doesn't need to. Spreads to rest of horde and refreshes 4 stacks
slate sun
There is at least a chance of this being an alternative to surge, so it is worth trying out for sure 🙂
upper galleon
Wildfire is good the more dense the level is
steel flame
I like to think of it as a void with a permanent swole AB ult attached to it
spice veldt
day 100 of me hating all pub trauma psykers I have come across
upper galleon
Yep
upper galleon
I stopped using trauma cause I wasn't skilled enough
And I knew how annoying it was to have a poxwalker laying down behind you
spice veldt
it particularly peeved me that they brought the illisi but only had 17k melee damage
upper galleon
Lmao
spice veldt
yeah, i mainly play melee with trauma as my support or everything-has-gone-to-shit weapon
upper galleon
Surge Illisi player with 15k melee damage
spice veldt
since there's no point in staggering basic enemies and throwing them around
when the illisi can do that job but better if there's not enough density or there are no elites/specials mixed in
and you get to move ahead and have the mobility of the illisi
upper galleon
I yelled at a surge player the other day for spamming surge into a horde
spice veldt
i've made a stern comment telling them to look at the damage breakdown for the surge against unarmoured/infested
i also told a trauma psyker in the same game to go into the psykhanium and look at the single-target damage of trauma
because they were blasting a lone reaper and knocking its head away from my illisi
like, just fucking brainburst that shit
explosive weapons are so insanely tilting
steel flame
day 100 of me hating all pub trauma psykers I have come across
Next time we play together I won't let you leave the pretty circle on the floor
steel flame
Lol
slate sun
Ogryns with a club can make the same mess quite easily
steel flame
i am looking respectfully at you from your AC vent
Jokes on you I don't have ac
spice veldt
at least with the club, it'll spread them in an arc
and that means that they're moving forward at least
with trauma psykers, they're usually hanging at the back and generating peril
spice veldt
Jokes on you I don't have ac
wrong house then
steel flame
Clearly
autumn smelt
man, i just cant seem to actually be useful with the voidstrike staff
any time i use it and something goes even mildly wrong, i get downed
lyric burrow
Void is another weapon where im using melee a lot
spice veldt
though unlike the case in trauma where you're avoiding the negative side effects of trauma, it's because melee is straight up better for pushing the map than the void
autumn smelt
the void staff seems to solely be used for long range elites, or hordes
spice veldt
and if you have the illisi and the horde is near you, its hordeclear is better than the void (though not by much)
autumn smelt
the void staff seems to solely be used for long range elites, or hordes
which is something that psykers kit can pretty much handle already
lyric burrow
Honestly i find illisi to be better than all the staves
spice veldt
by virtue of having actually decent single-target DPS, esp with slaughterer stacks up
autumn smelt
the trauma and the purg staff can make mincemeat of hordes while also being good at other things, and BB exists, so you dont need to worry about killing far away elites
so at that point, why run voidstrike in the first place
north pike
Is the obscurus a good version of the sword, or executor any good ?
spice veldt
staffs aren't going to kill a bunch of spread out specials (though you could make a case for purg)
lyric burrow
Trauma does destroy hordes but the safest way to do it is deep in the horde but that does still spread the horde
whole oxide
so at that point, why run voidstrike in the first place
because you're not playing against the AI, you're playing aganist your team-mates to get highest scoreboard, so, being able to hit that horde before anyone else is key
autumn smelt
Is the obscurus a good version of the sword, or executor any good ?
not really and no
spice veldt
obscurus is a fine weapon but HEAVILY overshadowed by the other two variants
autumn smelt
the deimos is just the obscurus force sword, but with better stats and an insane attack set
lyric burrow
Anything closer than deep into the horde and your blinding someone or putting enemies behind them
spice veldt
uh oh
that clip is broken
tldr of that clip is that I just make use of the illisi's mobility and gank a bunch of specials
lyric burrow
I mostly use it for horde cleae where applicable and to knock over enemies that someone cant immediately deal with for x reason but is threatened by them
spice veldt
i just want a warp glock so that I don't have to be wildly out of position to murder a bunch of specials
autumn smelt
because you're not playing against the AI, you're playing aganist your team-mate...
jokes on you
i cant download mods so i have no idea how im scoring
lyric burrow
You cant?
autumn smelt
pc is too shit
autumn smelt
autumn smelt
ive tried that
spice veldt
Its beautiful
i'm glad to have someone who can appreciate art
yeah the game is just really CPU heavy
autumn smelt
i swap between 2 computers depending on where i am, and the better one cannot get more than a throttled 40ish frames with it
spice veldt
and i think a lot of the settings you can tweak really only affect the GPU
autumn smelt
if i booted up the game on this one, even with potato graphics, my pc would blue screen
lyric burrow
Also does anyone know if when the paid shop rotates it changes weapon skins too or is it only the one rn
Yeah this game is baseline hard to run
And its not super well optimized
So anyone with even mid tier parts has to really tweak settings to get it to perform decently
Depending on your definition of decently
spice veldt
it usually rotates the weapon skins, but sometimes there are straight up no weapon skins (like right now)
spice veldt
and any weapons that were newly released (like the deimos/illisi) don't have any skins for their model in the weapon packs
autumn smelt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1092620091050426398/D...
you can see the fps counter in the corner
autumn smelt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1092620091050426398/D...
i remember arco saying i had smelly fingertips from this footage
autumn smelt
Oh hey i think ive played with you
me?
spice veldt
i remember arco saying i had smelly fingertips from this footage
i would never ever be so mean (most of the times)
lyric burrow
Dont you have like everyone blocked in game lol
spice veldt
oh wtf I did say this #psyker-class message
probably
i very likely have 70% of psykers on NA west blocked at this point
autumn smelt
Name looks familiar
im the only one i know or have seen with this name, and ive been playing auric maelstroms every days since they released
so maybe
lyric burrow
i very likely have 70% of psykers on NA west blocked at this point
thats fair
spice veldt
since 3 out of the 4 staffs annoy me very much
lyric burrow
Ive debated swapping to purge but i like illisi too much
autumn smelt
i like both equally honestly
upper galleon
We need an arco block list
And petition feature
(I was only trying it out for a single time, it isn't my main weapon!)
spice veldt
make the cardinal sin of being a psyker on NA west
autumn smelt
since 3 out of the 4 staffs annoy me very much
whats the one that doesnt?
upper galleon
(I don't main psyker)
harsh urchin
make the cardinal sin of being a psyker on NA west
shit
i may have already been got
spice veldt
whats the one that doesnt?
purg
harsh urchin
same tbh
trauma always pisses me off cuz they keep knocking the horde behind me
voidstrike always pisses me off cuz it's super useless
spice veldt
i have bloom on so purg doesn't blind me
and i know that purg is gonna kill anything that's not a crusher
harsh urchin
and surge always pisses me off cuz for some reason the people who play it are always allergic to their melee weapon
at least purg is braindead to play
you can just treat that teammate like a bot
fathom adder
and surge always pisses me off cuz for some reason the people who play it are al...
"I'm doing crowd control!"
- Psyker shooting Surge Staff into hordes
MMORPGs and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
spice veldt
(I don't main psyker)
another cardinal sin
lyric burrow
and surge always pisses me off cuz for some reason the people who play it are al...
i dont get it
you cant even horde clear with surge
it doesnt even CC the horde
quartz ore
Hey fellas.
Trynna get a good surge staff, what are the best blessings for it?
oh nevermind i found em
raw narwhal
where did you found them?
lyric burrow
how come when i drop an ammo crate and everybody needs it desperatley nobody grabs from it 😭
one guy did
completed the mission at least so it worked out
also would you guys go slaught 4 here and change one perk or change both
ik its not ideal
but that base is really nice and i have not have good luck with deimos up to this point
im guessing slaught 4 and then maniac + 25 because second perk on deimos isnt the biggest deal
olive ember
since 3 out of the 4 staffs annoy me very much
why are you a psyker main
honestly
just play vet
spice veldt
tbf i am playing vet more now
olive ember
another cardinal sin
I can't believe I have to agree with arcotash smh
olive ember
tbf i am playing vet more now
holy shit
I can't believe it
anyways how was darktide today
spice veldt
we failed a mission right before the finale of enclavum
got a horde + monstrosity wave
autumn smelt
man, i cant help but instaswap from psyker to zealot when monsterous specials is active
t hammer is just too fun in it
hidden crystal
how come when i drop an ammo crate and everybody needs it desperatley nobody gra...
Ammo crates are difficult. If we're in a combat situation, then ideally, I'll leave picking up ammo until I'm out or almost out. Because it always fills you to 100%, you effectively waste however much ammo you're currently carrying. So leaving it until I'm either out or we're about to depart the area gives the best ammo efficiency.
I mean, that would be the ideal strategy... but then you run into ammo goblins who decide to help themselves to it immediately, and as many times as they like.
Fortunately the Ration Pack mod (which indicates how many charges are left) helps a bit, but ugh, the actual strategy/etiquette around using them in game is frequently horrible.
lyric burrow
they all had like 30 bullets left max
hidden crystal
That's a reasonable amount with some weapons.
cyan notch
I can't believe it
what shared currency does to a mf
olive ember
a travesty
hidden crystal
On the note of ammo, I'm finally trying a new MG12, to see if I get on with it:
olive ember
I remember when Blooddrunk was so dedicated that he had 5 psykers
the good ole days smh
olive ember
was it worth it
hidden crystal
My long used one (below) has ammo as its dumpstat (although that still translates as 32 shots per mag), but it's time to see if I can get on with Mobility as the dump. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133688552912322580/Kantrael_MG_XII.png
I think I'd prefer +Elites over +Specialists - it might hit some breakpoints on gunners - but it's not a disaster either way.
I now get 36 shots per mag, and indeed slightly more from each ammo pickup or Vet's aura ability (although that's just 7 charges rather than 6, so not actually a full extra shot, but I suppose it slowly adds up).
Hopefully making me slightly less of a target of ire for using ammo.
autumn smelt
so fun when i clear a histg and the emperor has the generosity to bless me with a 303 base catachan sword
spice veldt
i run histgs on my vet cuz i'm not comfortable with him in maelstrom yet
i get full games for the most part
unless i play at like midnight till morning
harsh salmon
hidden crystal
They've not yet nerfed the crap out of the Shredder, so yes.
I do however expect to hear much wailing and lamenting when/if Fatshark start thinking more about the rather wonky balance between different weapons/blessings.
golden tartan
Plz nerf shredder
Or well
Plz nerf pinning fire
Shredder baseline is fine
Could do with like a 20% damage buff baseline and pinning fire to get shredded
+100% power is not ok
hidden crystal
Many of the stackable power blessings need a big rethink.
Although, admittedly in both directions.
golden tartan
Nerf slaughterer
I think decimator is a good example of a power blessing
Its impactful but difficult to sustain
The one where u get +10% per consecutive hit
hidden crystal
Things like small bonuses for managing to chain only weakspot hits (very difficult, especially on a weapon with any real cleave) are bad for the opposite reason to the huge bonuses for inflicting any level of stagger or killing trash enemies.
spice veldt
or change pinning fire into stagger/suppression
hidden crystal
Nerf slaughterer
I've said before that I'd like to see Slaughterer become a small bonus per stack, but with a lot of stacks (like 2% with 20 max stacks) and a longer window before it decays. (Or possibly stacks decaying quickly, but one at a time like warp charges).
So it's still a decent power boost, but it takes more to ramp up to it.
Of course, all of this comes with the massive problem that changing weapon/blessing balance while you've still got locks as a mechanic might just cause a lot of the remaining player base to just cut their losses rather than try to replace their nerfed/altered gear.
autumn smelt
ik this would probably break the game and the crafting system but
what if they made it to where when a blessing was nerfed, any weapon that has that blessing locked in has the lock removed for that blessing, allowing you to change it if you want to
i feel like that would give them power to actually deal with OP blessings without pissing off the people who spent ages farming for that one specific god roll with that blessing
indigo portal
Alternatively don't nerf blessings to where they suck.
autumn smelt
true
tho i aint gonna lie, slaughterer is still fun as fuck to use
same with the overwhelmingly broken autopistol
inland snow
haha funni sword
autumn smelt
that looks like a great way to start nuking a monstrosity in a 1v1
plucky flax
Put shred 4 on it. It's better than riposte.
grizzled iris
Agony
zealous sierra
grizzled iris
Bad staff, F
late musk
Is Warp Nexus not an unlockable blessing?
dawn crypt
it is
late musk
hmm I don't see it
dawn crypt
cuz u have 0/3 unlocked
Theres a mod u can get that will show unlocked blessings
but its terrifying flurry and nexus
late musk
staffs dont share blessings
ahh so that explains it
dawn crypt
it really sucks that u have to get blessings for each individual staff
spice veldt
i started playing the other classes and immediately got hit by snipers 20 times more
cuz with psyker, I usually relied on the fact that I'm in melee 90% of the time and just spamming dodges, which does let me avoid random ass sniper shots through pure spamming
lunar hollow
u see what i mean about not being able to play psyker without having my brain turned to mush
spice veldt
with vet, my ability to press dodge basically disappears once i'm ulted
ikr
it's fine with zealot since i'm in melee all the time
i just need to make my aim better so that I can just keep a target while dodging and then i'll be gucci
instead of relying on focused unwaveirisdofdsonsdg
lunar hollow
so true
spice veldt
and at least with zealot, i can just not give a shit about taking damage
plucky flax
Noooooo I upgrade this for the meme and it actually turned out well. RIP my warp resistance. 
My current one with 77% warp resist only generate 14% per special.
29% for this one. 
4 activations vs 8 activations.
Nice damage stats but it's rip.
fresh reef
Deflector
My condolences for your brick 🙏
lyric burrow
Id just put unstable over exorcist and then you can put that warp res to use
plucky flax
>Deflector
My condolences for your brick 🙏
I always use deflector. It would be perfect with higher warp resist. 25% flak maniac slaughterer deflector.