psyker-class

[olive ember]

back when I did it

[shadow wigeon]

More for team damage. 2 Chaos Spawns at the same time, with horde, has been a wipe 3 out of 3 so far. 3 gigabonks are decent at it, but anthing to burn them down faster would be nice.

But that's happened less than 50% of time I've run it..

[harsh urchin]

tbh i think 2 chaos spawns with a horde will be a wipe 99% of the time

cuz it requires all 4 players to play properly

and most of the time you'll have at least 1 person on the team

that's there to get carried

[thorn cedar]

not even carried necessarily, but when we're talking about a cspawn, you need a player who can kill and avoid it alone

which is uhhhh not many people/builds

[warm mica]

Ow so many pretty psykers 🥰
I love the 2nd psyker because it's my boy's main outfit ❤️

[shadow wigeon]

Nah, the last 2 fights were really close - good pubs but noone was expecting to have to put out that much burst damage. ALl you had to do is get rid of one of them and then you're fine. So anything to increase burst DPS would be great. It's quite possible CL would have helped close the show.

Pubbing monstrous mael (when you get a high threat one anyway) is definitely very high change of failure, but the more you focus your gear the easier it gets to just get over that hump.

[harsh urchin]

I get a lot of ppl who go down like 5-6 times

[upper galleon]

yea it's ridic

honestly i almost want them to remove wound curios entirely

[lyric burrow]

Every time i see someone with over 3 wounds they go down constantly

Like every single time

I at least kinda get 3 but not more than that

[upper galleon]

1 woud curio is FINE on psyker and veteran but honestly i'd rather just take a 21+5% hp curio

and 2 toughness curios

you don't want to go down ever in this game on higher difficulties it makes it extremely hard for your team

[harsh urchin]

they have to have them

same reason they need to have bomber resist and dog resist

the purpose is the dilute the pool of available perks

making it harder to roll the one you want

however, now that they allow 2 crafts onto curios

they basically let everyone have BiS curios

[hidden crystal]

I can report that my adventures into Damnation have today rewarded me with my first "Oh frag, everyone else is down" rescue. Admittedly, I only managed to get one up in time, but the two of us were enough to get through to the respawn and save the mission. (In the process completing my "complete five Damnation missions as Psyker" penance and moving me towards the "complete every mission Damnation mission type" by crossing off Assassination).

And on the note of the above, I will admit that it was entirely because I'd swapped out my old wound curio for HP, as I definitely dipped below my previous HP.

I'm slowly getting more competent at this game.

Slowly.

[thorny socket]

Overall, do you guys prefer the mk IV or mk V dueling sword

I know the other swords are better but style over substance

[hollow current]

I liked the V when I used. Huge dodge distance and it's heavies are easy to land on heads and it does enough to 1hit the shooters I think.

[shadow wigeon]

Wounds are trap, mostly, particularly for low health psyker and vet. There is some theoretical application for zealot and ogryn but really niche.

Also I'm glad you're playing damnation. You know too much about the game to now play haha

[lethal raptor]

stats aside, is this perk combo an utter meme?

[old oyster]

this , sry if im too late

[faint sigil]

very meme, i wish it worked better

it really does not do well

[lethal raptor]

ok, into the blessing pile it goes

(I have other Illisi swords)

[faint sigil]

maybe eventually the fish will let us use blazing spirit on swords meaningfully

[grizzled iris]

First one, the chaos worshipers will run in terror of the Samurai of the 40k age

[steel flame]

Use shred 4 instead

[grizzled iris]

Bad modifiers, bad perks, bad blessings.
Go again

[shadow wigeon]

Even if you are memeing, the gap between Blazing 3 and 4 is huge.
Blazing 3 applies 2 stacks, 4 applies 4 stacks per hit, which is enough to trigger wildfire at least.

[steel flame]

heres my wierd fire build. along with this i use 3 17% toughness relics with 30% toughness regen and 5% more toughness with varying resistances

[shadow wigeon]

When soul blaze kills procced slaughter, there was a great wildfire combo. Apply soulblaze stacks with Purg/Fire Trauma, whatever you want, switch to sword to boost power via Slaughterer, boosted soulblaze wildfire sweeps through horde.
Since soul blaze kills don't proc slaughter anymore, you could make a cheap seats version with Blazing/Slaughter + Wildfire, but it's a bit tedious, and you'll need to be actively killing things with your sword.

[lyric burrow]

I like mk 4 but both are servicable

[steel flame]

still working on getting a perfect blaze void

but it works more than good enough on auric maelstrom

[hidden crystal]

Well, part of it is that I'm playing gunpsyker, and an off-meta gunpsyker at that, which puts me in a position where people are already judging me, so I really don't want to be holding back the team, and am trying to progress slowly so I'm not getting in people's way.

[shadow wigeon]

Heresy is really a shit-show though. I believe you have enough game knowledge to play better than average for a damnation player. Team play matters more than gear.
I really encourage people that are geared well enough to move beyond Heresy if they can. Heresy can be hard to elarn good team play.

I ocassionally run heresy for penances, and it's wild how different the team play is there.

[lyric burrow]

I havent done it in a long time

I did do it somewhat recently for a maelstrom mission and people were fine

Havent done normal heresy in forever

[shadow wigeon]

Mael might be a different group. I just played regular heresy for Power Matrix (only penance left), and the variance on team quality was huge. Mostly people playing poorly, and just getting by, but would be insta death on damnation.

Learning coherency mechanics is harder on your average heresy, because of how often you'll get yolo solo players.

[thorn cedar]

I wouldn't worry about people's opinions on gun psyker lol

[harsh urchin]

blazing spirit is not currently in a useable state

[thorn cedar]

Most peeps higher up have seen it work and know it works and even why it works.

It's really only lower down where lack of game knowledge has people judging the gunfreak

[harsh urchin]

it's pretty much mainly up to the player tbh

you can play gunpsyker well, kill priority targets, etc

but you can also vacuum up all the ammo, shoot the horde, and go down 4 times per game

The other problem is that if you go off-meta, with your kant12

You'll be more effective if you played vet

but the whole point of the game is to have fun, so just play what you like lol

[regal jasper]

gift from the emp

[thorn cedar]

See, that's the rub. You'd be more effective with specifically just the gun, but that's narrowing the scope of gameplay too much. You're rocking 18-49% extra damage across the board as Psyker, with a much more reliable uptime for the floor than the Vet that is strictly only ever strong with their ult up (but once it's up it usually stays that way).

Because really that argument means a Zealot using anything but their flamethrower is also off meta or bad because any gun in their hands would be better on Veteran, as it were.

In the end it's this weird belief that the space wizard class should only be doing space magic staves.

[steel flame]

i mean i find it to be extremely usable, but i did have to change how i play to work with it

but i would love buffs

[whole oxide]

i mean, not equipping a feat is "useable", and adds about as much value

[steel flame]

if we talking about staff bs its extremely good, if we talking about illi shred BS then I find it to be very good in my specific build

[whole oxide]

good at doing...... ?? 'cos its not damage

[thorn cedar]

good for warp charge economy

[steel flame]

good for tankin and generarting warp charges

i use it with warp aborbtion and i can get a good fire goin with that and i might as well have infinite toughness

i find it best to start a 6 stack blaze with fire void spam then jump into melee to quickly get it going at 12 stacks and it does some real work

actually the only build i feel completely comfortable running full toughness no wounds with because i can just outheal everything except the biggest hit as long as ive got fire goin

[whole oxide]

i'm fairly sure that's mostly happening in your head

void explosion is tiny, it's not going to set a group on fire, and 12 stacks is, what, 4 consecutive crits? A) that's some serious luck and B) what is going to survive 4 crits?

[hidden crystal]

I was getting enough plasteel from Damnation (of which I've now crossed off Repair too) to try giving it to Hadron, and yeah, she ruined it:

I suppose if one likes crits it might be okay, but I don't like crit builds on this kind of weapon.

[pallid glacier]

Can you manage with mostly melee on damnation as a psyker or does the lack of mitigation hurt too much?

The psyker melee weapons feel they best and most fluid of all weapons

Zealot weapons feels so clunky

Force sword and dueling swords are amazing feeling

Like saltzpyte rapier

[green carbon]

It's tricky, but possible, particularly with Deflector

and also the one perk

which I forgot the name of

[whole oxide]

depends what you mean by "mostly" melee

100% melee will be difficult

[pallid glacier]

I’m guessing the. Brian burst melee perk

[green carbon]

nah, the one that gives peril on block

instead of stamina cost

[hidden crystal]

Kinetic Deflection

[pallid glacier]

Yeah that seems very good

[green carbon]

ye that

[green carbon]

it's not just on melee

[pallid glacier]

Brain bust building the warp stacks is an Awful mechanic

[green carbon]

but yeah that one is neat, not very consistent in melee though

[pallid glacier]

I really hate that

[green carbon]

Eh it's not so bad, might just be used to it though.

[hidden crystal]

I've got a +3 Stamina curio and Kinetic Deflection - and you can weather quite a lot that way with deflector, even if you're trying to keep your Peril up for damage.

[whole oxide]

BB'ing for warp stacks gets easier as you get to higher difficulties, since there's more targets

[green carbon]

I did use to think it's restricting, but you do get a lot of ways to build them up.

[shadow wigeon]

Damn reg or low, sure. Hi int? Your contributions will really start to slow down. Above hi int I would say please don't... the utility and damage of your other options is needed.

[pallid glacier]

Im@guessing it’s a lot easier when you get the charge time at the last level for brain burst

[green carbon]

3x + 12% block cost reduction + 20% on weapon + 12% on max tier Deflector :^)

best build no doubt

[hidden crystal]

Don't forget +1 stamina on the sword.

[pallid glacier]

Is the problem with psyker doing melee it’s lack of mitigation? Like zealot has tons of mitigation

[green carbon]

yeah, also they have lower speed and dashes

[whole oxide]

its not staying alive, staying alive is easy

[pallid glacier]

Im guessing psyker gets like 1 shot at high damnation?

[thorn cedar]

Nah Psyker has loads of direct and indirect mitigation

[whole oxide]

its actually making a useful contribution

[green carbon]

anyone gets like three tapped on high damnation depending on curios

[pallid glacier]

Huh force sword has unlimited dashes I thought

[green carbon]

frankly don't remember rn, but even if, it's still easy tog et hit by stray attacks when careless

plus ranged enemies really hurt on Damnation

[hidden crystal]

Psyker is absolutely fine in melee, particularly with the force swords (you can actually create one hell of a opening just by spamming a few force pushes).

[green carbon]

but yeah, psyker melee is fine

just not melee dedicated class good, obviously

[shadow wigeon]

You don't really do very important damage.
Illisi is great for hordes, but that's mostly it.
Deimos is great for burst, but not really sustain.
Especially compared to using your staffs.
This matters more on the highest difficulties. Below that you can sort of do what you want.

[green carbon]

yeah, basically you lack toughness sustain in melee, you can do it with toughness on warp attack kill, actually really good with Illisi in hordes, but outside of that you'll struggle

and even then you do have to find an opening to do the special attack

which, can be tricky sometimes

[harsh urchin]

no the main problem is low base stats

psyker melee is insanely strong

but if you mess up a single time

that's 75% of your hp chunked

[pallid glacier]

I see

Is dueling sword trash outside of low difficulty

It’s push and block is dogshit

[whole oxide]

basically, yes

[green carbon]

It's usable, not in hordes though.

[tight sapphire]

but is good DPS on elites

[green carbon]

Yeah

Pair it with a good wave clear staff

[hidden crystal]

That's somewhat arguable - a gunpsyker can stack a fairly static +34% to damage, which as I was testing the other day is enough to mean the MG12 can bodyshot dreg shooters at Damnation without either +Unarmoured or needing to use an ult for it.

As is, I tend to consider the shooting somewhat secondary - something I use either to get rid of shooters, or where the team is defending an area and it's smarter to stick with them - and swap to melee when possible.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I should specify I'm only referring to Illisi, Deimos, and Antax that are easy fits for melee.

[hidden crystal]

Anyway, I'm seeing a Damnation Investigation, so time to try and cross that mission type off.

[green carbon]

good luck!

[mental rock]

have you tried knife or tac axe zealot?

oh wait

w/c

[green carbon]

x)

[lyric burrow]

Ive had games where i killed pretty much everything in melee, so it is doable but you need to be confident in dealing with ranged units if you arent running deflector/be very comfortable in melee in general

Ive had games like this for example where it was all melee but tbh melee to this extent while doable probably isnt neccasary

But i do think psyker is best when using more melee than ranged just cause we are so insane in melee with the deimos/illisi

[harsh urchin]

yes but vet can get permanent 50% damage boost

and also have grenades

[pallid glacier]

Yeah the moveset is just so insane for these force swords

[harsh urchin]

which are a bit better than BB imo

[pallid glacier]

It would be hard for me to believe that psyker isn’t top tier melee

[harsh urchin]

and vet also has permanent 75% damage reduction

[lyric burrow]

Infinite dodges + high damage/cleave is good as it turns out

[pallid glacier]

The infinite dodges is just too good

[harsh urchin]

also kant12 can't really utilize flayer very well

which is arguably one of the strongest aspects of gunpsyker

[steel flame]

You do realize quell canceling exists right? Crits are not an issue

[harsh urchin]

I think you should play what you enjoy playing. that's what the game is about anyways

but there's no arguing that vet with a mg12 is simply better kitted than a psyker with a mg12

[lone pier]

Hello guys, has anyone of you got the Cliffhanger penance completed? The one that asks you to kill 7 enemies in 2 seconds by throwing them off a ledge?

[lyric burrow]

I did it on hab dreyko ending

Pushed a bunch of enemies off the pipe you run along

[lone pier]

It's a penance I wanted to complete for a while until I gave up and randomly completed it today

but I don't understand how I got it

so we were facing a chaos spawn and I was using brain burst on it whilst there were multiple enemies around it. I kept doing it and somehow got the achievement done. There was no ledge nearby at all.

Does this have to do with the Soulblaze feat somehow?

[strong gulch]

NO idea. Maybe they fell through the floor?

[glossy bough]

I'm crutching on Deflector, but what other blessing do you want on an Illisi force sword?

[lone pier]

It was on the Refinery Delta-17 right before the first room where you have to destroy those tentacles

[whole oxide]

still waiting to hear what you're planning on critting 4 times that isn't going to die from those 4 crits

this just sounds entirely like theorycraft worked out on a spreadsheet that doesn't translate to reality

[echo turtle]

Yeah, much better than hiding in a corner spamming the surge staff into chaff like I keep seeing in quickplay

[harsh urchin]

what are you hitting that isn't dying on a crit?

[echo turtle]

unstable/slaughterer

deflector is ok though

if you use it to reposition or stay alive in an “oh shit moment” it’s great. Using it when it isn’t necessary to avoid fighting is when it’s a “crutch”

[glossy bough]

does unstable power scale differently from how it says it does? I assume it isn't just like 3% bonus damage at max perils

[harsh urchin]

i'm just very curious about it being "very good" because in order for it to even work, you need to crit your target a bunch of times without it dying

[echo turtle]

it’s 5% up to 5 times

[glossy bough]

ahaaa that makes more sense

[echo turtle]

or something like that

so it’s a decent amount of power

[harsh urchin]

and if you're hitting something with like 8 hits, and maybe 2-3 crits and it's not dead

i'm curious what it is

[echo turtle]

deflector also kind of forces you into kinetoc deflection

[glossy bough]

like how everything else similar works, but it doesn't say that in the description

oh yeah I'm a big kinetic deflection simp

[echo turtle]

which is also good, but that also means no kinetic shield

[glossy bough]

the combo isn't as broken as it was, but it's still good

[echo turtle]

So, I view it as

Deflector, deflection and leaning on health curios

vs
unstable,shield, leaning into toughness curios

[glossy bough]

makes sense

I'd probably still lean on toughness curios anyway, I feel like health is just ok

[whole oxide]

what it is, is 1 crit setting stuff on fire, and the other 9 stacks of soulblaze are just in imagination

confirmation bias is a hell of a drug

it was burning -> it died -> therefore it was the burning that killed it, QED

[hidden crystal]

Success was had. I'm down to just needing a Strike Damnation now.

[green carbon]

nice

I got all the mission types just doing Damnation Quickplay xD

on both Zealot and Psyker

[hidden crystal]

Vet can stretch out their ult for a long time, yes, but that's not quite the same thing as permanent.

and also have grenades
which are a bit better than BB imo
Eeh. I missed grenades a bit when I first moved from my mid-high level vet (who I was levelling alongside a friend) to psyker (something I could level on my own), but a lot of that wasn't having really learned psyker yet - and the Illisi wasn't yet a thing either. Having learned psyker better now, the large hordes I would have grenaded as Vet are a lot less of a hassle.

They're good for different things.

also kant12 can't really utilize flayer very well
I wouldn't really want to; Warp Battery gives the MG12 the boost it needs to drop most things in one.

but there's no arguing that vet with a mg12 is simply better kitted than a psyker with a mg12
I'm not arguing that MG12 gunpsyker will be able to outshoot MG12 veteran, but then I'm not playing MG12 gunpsyker expecting to shoot all the time. I'm playing MG12 gunpsyker because I enjoy the psyker's melee more than veteran melee (who gets puffed out when he has to shove a couple of poxwalkers), but also find that I end up on enough teams where there's no decent long range. (All flamers and surge staffs...)

And I think I can argue that MG12 gunpsyker is capable enough at the shooting that I'm able to slide in to most roles a random pub team might need me to.

[hidden crystal]

And there's now a Strike on the board, so I should go and do that.

[spice veldt]

mostly melee works, esp with the illisi

it depends on what you mean by "mostly"

I can have games where my melee damage tripled my ranged damage

fuck

oh well

I like melee because it's very brainless; you can just spam dodges to be safe without having to worry about managing your dodges, and ranged enemies will increase the range at which they'll pull out their melee if your melee is out
and your single-target DPS is ok as long as you have slaughterer stacks up

and if you're very greedy for special kills, melee is pretty much the only way to snipe special kills if not running a gun

[steel flame]

With min charge shots it goes through a few enemies before exploding in the middle of a group and setting everything on fire.

Then wildfire spreads it more as stuff dies to fire and the void shots

Same reason fire trauma is good

[hidden crystal]

Another player died to a sniper, but otherwise a fairly clean run.

So all mission types completed and it's now a matter of cleaning up specific missions at Damnation.

[brazen warren]

I cant get used to lasguns, they just feel very clunky and slow to me.

[hidden crystal]

Also, finally getting close to completing this so I don't have to keep using my ult like a complete banana:

As a gunpsyker, my biggest peril use is generally BB, and as I normally run Kinetic Barrage, firing the ult early is generally better if I need to do it a lot. (Also, you can't make the mistake of "oops, already used my ult" if you do it that way). However, of late I've been waiting to use it until after I overload, and that's slowly completing this penance.

(Also, charging up a sword and then shouting at everyone before extraction, assuming we're not in complete rush).

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'm generally the type of person who likes semi-auto marksman weapons in shooters, so it suits me fairly well.

And the MG12 is the closest match to that for psyker. Admittedly, the revolver is higher damage, but playing revolver psyker sounds like a good way to get kicked from the party before you even start.

[whole oxide]

the reason fire trauma works is because the blast radius is so big

the void blast radius is relatively tiny

i would just be fascinated to see a video in the psykanium with 12 stacks of soulblaze generated in this way

[harsh urchin]

+1 to Rag. Also I was reponding to your comment about blazing spirit illisi, would love to see it in meat grinder as well

[shadow wigeon]

Blaze from Fire Trauma is capped at 6 stacks, I beleive.

[whole oxide]

yeah, which is why the claim to be able to reach 12 stacks this way is...... questionable

[shadow wigeon]

Oh, I didn't read higher. Well, it's not possible with BS from Trauma.

[jade imp]

Ideal? Or what should I replace executor with?

I know damage isn't great. 😐

[shadow wigeon]

Damage is fine, your stats are so high it won't be an issue.
Deflector if you want to go that route, otherwise Unstable or even Shred if that's your jam.

I would swap Unarmored for maniac

[jade imp]

Thanks, will swap those. Probably Unstable with a surge staff.

[pale basalt]

I run damn all the time with wheelgun and don’t have issues

[shadow wigeon]

Yep, makes sense.
FWIW with Surge I am a big Deflector fan for positioning and walking down shooters when you don't want to spend the time stunning them. I find it's a good pairing.

But it's mostly useful if you play very aggressively. If you hang back and zap, deflector doesn't do much.

[jade imp]

Yeah, my cat penis force sword has unstable and deflector.

[hidden crystal]

Some people might be able to pull it off, but I don't think I'm one of them.

I'm still feeling a bit like an impostor trying to cut it at these difficulty levels.

In general, no, it doesn't feel much different to heresy, but I don't really want to be the reason a run goes south.

[autumn smelt]

i still feel like i should get it tho

[lyric burrow]

just got 6 actual bosses in the span of 5 minutes and 3 of them were at the same time

what happened to the weakened ones 😭

[cedar roost]

is trauma good now? all the guides i see online say its bad

[lyric burrow]

its good

arguably the best staff

[cedar roost]

better than surge?

[lyric burrow]

100%

[autumn smelt]

you will find so many different opinions of all the different staves

i personally dont do as well with it

they all have such different strengths, weaknesses, and uses

[cedar roost]

yeahh, i see lots of ppl like the purge staff but i dont like that its unable to stagger anything past infested pretty much

[autumn smelt]

idk what 100 base stat purgatus youre using

cuz i can stagger pretty much everything short of mutants and monstrosities with it

[cedar roost]

fr? huh guess ill try it out again

prolly got a bad roll

[autumn smelt]

obviously certain enemies like ragers take longer to stagger and are staggered for a shorter duration, but they still stagger

and it is very noticable and useful

[cedar roost]

what is objectively the best staff? trauma?

[autumn smelt]

its really fun when a specialist group shows up in hi5 shock and im flaming an active horde event and the specialists cant reach us cuz i just direct most of my flames their way

[lyric burrow]

unrelated note the hounds launching you back when they jump within 20 meters of you even if they arent targeting you might be my least favorite mechanic in the game

like why

it feels awful

i got skated off an edge because it happened 😦

[autumn smelt]

id say its on par with the unavoidable stagger from being even remotely close to a bombers grenade radius

[autumn smelt]

it actually fucked up a mission that i almost saved

[lyric burrow]

its one of the things that makes me hate hunting grounds aside from it just being a gimmick with a disfunctional enemy

im just getting flung around everywhere

unless we have a way to just invalidate themm

[spice veldt]

i'd say it's the best generalist staff that we have

good enough range, good enough AoE damage, great AoE stagger

[autumn smelt]

also since youre a trauma staff enjoyer would you say the staff melk has is worth it, either for the t4 RS or for the weapon itself

[spice veldt]

the "slow the game down and sit by a corner/doorway for a minute" modifier

[lyric burrow]

id take the rending off it

unfort that the blast radius is low its got good perks and you could put flurry over surge otherwise

[autumn smelt]

thats what my biggest painpoint about it was

[lyric burrow]

yeah its sit in a corner or get flung around lol

[spice veldt]

it had its peril generation cut in half, and psyker got quelling buffs which particularly benefitted the Trauma because it's the staff that generates the most peril over time

[autumn smelt]

but only issue is, i dont know what stat i want to sacrifice

all are pretty important to it

[spice veldt]

damage is my personal dumpstat

[lyric burrow]

damage if its over 60

[spice veldt]

because it doesn't scale that much, and 60% damage is enough to hit certain breakpoints (with the help of perks/feats/warp charges)

e.g., it scales from 300 to 400 damage

not that much in the grand scale of things, and it's good enough to hit the one-shot breakpoints on all non-elites/specials with some help

i much prefer having warp res to get more usage (especially with warp flurry) and quell speed because it allows you to quell some peril more quickly when you need it (even if it doesn't change much if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective)

[autumn smelt]

im a warp res and quell speed enjoyer for all staves honestly

[spice veldt]

you could trade some points between damage and quell speed if you know the specific breakpoints that you want to hit

same, though mostly for quell speed and less on the warp res

[autumn smelt]

warp res can be dumped a little for some, but i hate having it too low

[autumn smelt]

exactly

[spice veldt]

yeah, since basically anything that generates peril is our best tool and being able to fire off continuously is very nice to hold a position

[autumn smelt]

i like the quick reset, its really useful as both quietude regen and as a quick prep for the next long use of say a surge or purge

[lyric burrow]

i wanna say quell speed doesnt make a huge diff so long as its reasonably high but it might be staff to staff

[magic hull]

purge stagger is so good now that i play my psyker like a zealot.

also which is the best blessing for purge?

[lyric burrow]

flurry/nexus

[autumn smelt]

i keep saying it is quite literally the best ad clearing weapon in the game

its honestly better than the flamer imo

[magic hull]

better to have both on?

[autumn smelt]

like night and day

[magic hull]

damn i just need to find these blessings

my current staff

i assume you can still change the blessings yes?

[autumn smelt]

youve locked your blessings

[magic hull]

damn that sucks

[harsh urchin]

You can change 2 things on an item. The last 2 are locked

[magic hull]

Ah i see

[harsh urchin]

for flamethrower staff, stats are much more important than the perks/blessings

you want 80 cloud radius and 76+ burn

[magic hull]

i changed the perks before the blessings update

[harsh urchin]

no you didn't

[autumn smelt]

you couldnt have

[magic hull]

yeah? i rmb that blessings sacrafice thingy wasnt implemented yet

or am i missing smthing

[spice veldt]

they're probably referring to you having changed 2 perks

[cedar roost]

this worth buying from merchant as lvl 27 pysker? cost 18k

i assume not

[lyric burrow]

no

blast radius too low

dont worry about it till level 30 unless something really good shows up

[spice veldt]

statwise it looks good enough for now

but the perk and blessing aren't promising

[harsh urchin]

@spice veldt is this worth rolling on

iirc damage is the dump stat right?

[spice veldt]

if I were desperate (which I current am) and you run warp unleashed and/or are good on maintaining your wrap charges, then yeah that looks good

with +25% unarmoured, you'll need +5.2% damage to one-shot dreg bruisers with a full charge and all that

[harsh urchin]

what would your ideal stat spread look like

[spice veldt]

mines is 60 damage and 80 everything else

[harsh urchin]

i mean what is your ideal stat spread

if you got to pick

LOL

[spice veldt]

oh that is my ideal stat spread

[harsh urchin]

o

you take quell over damage?

[spice veldt]

ye

since I like quell speed as a reactionary sort of thing

[harsh urchin]

wasn't there some guy who was saying quell was dump stat and they wrote an essay about it

[spice veldt]

it doesn't matter too much if you're looking at it from a purely DPS perspective, but it is comparable

here are some minor maffs that I made comparing damage and quell speed #psyker-class message

though the scenario I made up doesn't consider battle meditation or warp flurry

[cyan notch]

[spice veldt]

🙂

[cyan notch]

me when i want to play dps role in every game

[spice veldt]

me making the false assumption that they would release a single-target psyker staff when I started maining psyker

[cyan notch]

its coming along with subclasses and seasonal content

👍

[spice veldt]

i too would like to kill reapers in less than 10 years

fatshark pls

i like to stay at high peril, so having the quell speed to go down to 0% when it's a situation where I actually need to continuously be in combat is very nice (firing continuous trauma blasts, spamming illisi specials to repeatedly stagger ragers, etc.).

[harsh urchin]

@spice veldt o

i think I

hit a good one LOL

[spice veldt]

pretty nice

[harsh urchin]

pox to unarmored and i think i can leave it

[spice veldt]

i would've stabbed you if it was better than mines

[harsh urchin]

oh wait

it has warp nexus

hmm

not flurry

[lyric burrow]

that with illisi would be disgusting

[spice veldt]

I KNOW RIGHT

and the synergy with warp absorption

[obsidian girder]

we call that the kantrael mg xii

[spice veldt]

maybe if it had a better hipfire and toughness gen

since one of my other assumptions would be that our single-target staff would be a hipfire, and I find weapons that don't block the bottom of your screen to be significantly easier to aim

though that may also be related to not having to hold down with your middle finger to ADS for most of them

[plucky flax]

No unless you are arcotash memer.

[plucky flax]

[lofty escarp]

worth upgrading or just keep gambling

[spice veldt]

i'm personally not a fan of the quell speed, but if that looks better than your other traumas then sure

[rose lily]

what're the "best" blessings on a trauma staff?

[spice veldt]

Warp Flurry & Rending Shockwave, or Warp Nexus & Blazing Spirit are the common setups for Trauma

[hollow current]

I don't mind blast radius dumping a bit in favor of quell speed tbh. but probably worth upgrading unless you already got a pretty good trauma.

[cedar roost]

just rolled this beauty and im wondering since i dont have enough plast, are the perk and the blessing good?

should i refine perk?

[hollow current]

actually useful rolls only downside is they aren't maxed. though you'll want a staff with a better burn stat in the future. crit is good because crits add double burn/soul blaze stacks or whatrever which means damage adds up faster.

[cedar roost]

nice

[regal jasper]

What blessings should i use on this

[hollow current]

changing exorcists to slaughterer would probably be the move for that since you got deflector and block effeciency and those synergize well.

not that you picked it but know that melee/ranged crit damage is an awful perk.

[regal jasper]

It was a gift from the emperor and i straight giggled when i looked at the stats

[regal jasper]

I’ve heard crit is weirdly build specific

[hollow current]

Yeah that's a pretty sweet roll.

[hollow current]

I haven't been around much in the last few months and maybe it changed but iirc it's not +8% damage but 8% of the crit modifier which is just inferior when you can get 20-25% damage in something useful like maniac or flak.

[regal jasper]

O

Yeah thats kinda dumb

I don’t like the new rerolling stuff

My limit should be higher then 2

[hollow current]

yeah example base attack 100 dam, crit 150, with that perk you'd crit for 154.

[regal jasper]

Wow thats so much extra dmg

[hollow current]

yeah it's lame and maybe fat shark will get there one day. at least curios aren't as awful to roll now.

[regal jasper]

Yeah

I get overwhelmed when there are alot of tiny words together and so its hard for me to read them all correctly

Not overwhelmed i guess

But my dyslexia doesn’t appreciate it

[hollow current]

the descriptions were awful at launch and im sure some still are.

[flat iron]

Dyxlisea moment

[rose lily]

what're the "dump" stats on a trauma staff?
and what're the best stats in order?

[regal jasper]

Doesn’t help my glasses always seem to get dirty when im playing games with important reading

[hollow current]

imo. Charge rate, Damage, Warp Res, Quell speed and Blast radius in order of most to least important.

If Blast radius is 60 or above and the first 3 are 75-80 then it's probably a good staff.

[regal jasper]

What does warp resistance even do?

[hollow current]

less peril build up when charging, so you can cast more times in a row without having to vent/cool.

[regal jasper]

Oh neat

[hollow current]

For Trauma I'd go by charge rate primarily and see where the other stats fall.

[regal jasper]

I’ve been thinking about getting a new voidstrike staff

[rose lily]

dang i thought blast radius was one of the best, why isn't it?

[regal jasper]

Everything is pretty good but the base dmg

[spice veldt]

Charge Rate > Blast Radius > Quell Speed > Warp Res > Damage is my personal ordering

[regal jasper]

Should i get a new one or is it fine?

[hollow current]

I might be the odd one out on this but it's not a high priority for me since the difference between 80 and 60 is like 2.3 meters vs 2.15 in the killing zone or so? The stumble aoe takes a bigger hit from 8.4 to 7.2 or so iirc but if blast radius suffers a bit while everything else is good then I'm okay with it.

[hollow current]

not bad. when ever you get warp flurry put it over terrifying barrage.

[regal jasper]

Alright

When you rebless something do you get the old blessing

[hollow current]

nope

[regal jasper]

Shame

[spice veldt]

if looking at area, a 2.3m (80% blast radius) radius circle is ~20% larger than a 2.1m (60% blast radius) radius circle

[regal jasper]

Damn

[spice veldt]

so there's that if you blasting into a horde

though tbf I don't use it on hordes that much

[rose lily]

what're the "best" perks for the trauma staff?

[spice veldt]

so blast radius isn't as important for my playstyle besides the outer radius for staggering groaners/poxwalkers to get a revive off since I don't run kinetic deflection

[regal jasper]

My favorite thing to do

[spice veldt]

though I still like it over damage

[regal jasper]

I go into high intensity and just blow everything up

[spice veldt]

I like Flak and Unarmoured
+Flak, for all of the Flak elites
+Unarmoured, for the specific purpose of one-shotting dreg bruisers (450 hp) more easily/reliably if you don't have enough damage from your feats/warp charges

I don't like to use the trauma too much because the stagger is both a blessing and curse

and it's annoying for your melee teammates, and I prefer the Illisi as my melee anyways

so I end up using the Illisi most of the time

[hollow current]

Yeah I prefer unarmored and flak. to insta gib the shooters.

[spice veldt]

though if your teammates have shit melees, then it's whatever

[rose lily]

so then for this staff would you lock carapace and replace ranged damage with unarmored or flak?

[regal jasper]

Im alittle confused on what all the term mean

What is unyealdinh

[rose lily]

\so then for this staff would you lock carapace and replace ranged damage with unarmored or flak?

[spice veldt]

an armour type that Reapers, Bulwarks, Plague Ogryns, Beast of Nurgle, Daemonhost, and Chaos Spawns have

[spice veldt]

i'd personally go for +unarmoured, but if you spam the trauma anyways, then flak is prob better

[regal jasper]

Oh neat so my voidstrike does 20% more dmg to them?

[spice veldt]

yeah

though the voidstrike has horrible single-target DPS

so it's not worth using on those enemies regardless

[regal jasper]

I just miss a shit tone lol

Actually my aim has gotten better

I don’t miss point blank anymore

[grizzled iris]

I feel so ashamed of myself... I've recently converted to fire trauma staff and i feel disgusting

More dmg but less safe

[regal jasper]

The fire staff sounds cool but i like big boom from voidstrike

[hollow current]

huh 380 surge staff in the hourly. neat.

[grizzled iris]

Purgatus sucks

Only people with first attack mod and or people who are trying to speedrun "How to get carpal tunnel syndrome as fast as possible" use it.

[sudden trellis]

returning to DT has granted me a fun surprise - the melee powerhouse psyker with the Damon force sword

[autumn smelt]

what perk would yall change on this?

ive got t4 rending ready to put on there so i likely am only gonna change one

[grizzled iris]

Daemon*

[autumn smelt]

purgatus is amazing
quite literally the easiest staff to use to its fullest potential

[grizzled iris]

I'd go for the crit route on it with blazing instead of rending and putting flak instead of dmg to groaners

[sudden trellis]

yes the Matt Damon

[autumn smelt]

still waiting on that blazing tho

[regal jasper]

What are just the basic fires of the trauma staff and flamethrower staff

[hollow current]

flame is a flame puff. every other staff is the same lil void bolt.

[regal jasper]

Oh neat

Kinda boring tho

[sudden trellis]

it helps if you're good at making fart noises with your mouth. otherwise, yeah, flame staff basic cast is boring.

[regal jasper]

I play the one fart.mpv every time i kill a horde with 1 blast

[regal jasper]

Gets a little teehee out of me every time

[sudden trellis]

Flamestaff is probably easiest to use, but I can't wrap my head around a trauma staff.
Do you hunt for brittleness and specialize in knocking down armored fellas?

[regal jasper]

I use voidstrike

The booms make me giggle

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave is nice but not the best for pubs

better than most options

[sudden trellis]

does this mean we're friends now?

[regal jasper]

I think so yeah

[sudden trellis]

god. cannonball staff is so satisfying.

[plucky flax]

I only use blaze trauma. You want all stats high but if I have to have a dump stat I'd be warp res.

[regal jasper]

It go boom and my head produces serotonin

Voidstrike is a 2 button serotonin suppler

[sudden trellis]

it just injects sero directly into my eyeballs when I see a poxwalker horde in a tight corridor

[burnt island]

When did they let level 9's and 12's get paired together in Heresy. :/

[sudden trellis]

you wouldnt want the match to be easy, would you?

[burnt island]

No, but I would like it to be possible.

[regal jasper]

I once got a lvl 5 on malice while i was lvling my ogryn lvl 20

[sudden trellis]

keep running around with lv 12 to 19 boys on haz 4

but they're usually rookies, so it's fun

[regal jasper]

I wish lvling was a bit faster tbh

All the stuff i want for all the classes is like lvl 20 shit

[sudden trellis]

yeah the classes really only come into their own around the last levels

and the game feels way different once you got all 4 to max

[regal jasper]

I think im going to hold off on zealot as much as possible tbh

The class seems fine but i am a heretic

And i love abhumans and psykers

Also the weird stigma about they type of people who main zealot

[burnt island]

At least there are some people who don't want to be the common guardsman.

(Of which I'm guilty of)

[grizzled jasper]

John guardsman is famous

[sudden trellis]

I levelled zealot last as well.
Didn't get the appeal of the class at all until I found a knife with bleed +3

[regal jasper]

I like fire so i think ill like zealot but based on views i don’t like them as a person

[sudden trellis]

I run knife+flamer usually, so, yeah, I crave the flame, too.

[regal jasper]

I think my psyker is gonna be my big boom guy, ogryn is dakadaka guy, vet is gonna be satisfying shooting guy and zealot is gonna be fire

[sudden trellis]

I used to run specialized setups, but eventually realized that I'm better off having each weapon slot cover a type of enemy

[autumn smelt]

and there we go

[manic halo]

any suggestions on what perks to put on a surge staff?

[autumn smelt]

for perks you probably want crit chance and flak

[manic halo]

thank u gamer

[autumn smelt]

ye

crit is what causes those huge stuns

and the surges main damage profile is on flak

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/6U3c.gif

[regal jasper]

Imagine if we could hold 2 staffs at a time

[autumn smelt]

which is why warp nexus is such an important part for it

[manic halo]

the things i would do

with two staffs

I want an ice staff

NOW

[grizzled jasper]

I want to replace bb with staff throw like a javelin

Then you pull out recon

[manic halo]

the biggest missed oppotunity was not giving all the staffs their own special instead of the crappy little smack

[spice veldt]

crits don't affect the stagger of surge as far as I can tell

[autumn smelt]

isnt that what causes the mutant stuns?

[spice veldt]

mutants get stunned regardless

[manic halo]

if u charge fully they get stunned.

[spice veldt]

you just have to wait near the end of the cast

[manic halo]

its what I get told anyways'

[spice veldt]

you don't have to fully charge either

it's not the charge or crits that does it

it's just the last part of the cast that does it

[autumn smelt]

then it must be cause the crit chance of the surge is so high by nature

that youd want to build for crit, i mean

[spice veldt]

nah, they'll still get stunned even without a crit

oh yeah

get more of it

thought it doesn't affect the RMB that much

it's really only for the LMB that you would ever want more crit chance

[autumn smelt]

but surge is the one staff that actually would really use that

[autumn smelt]

we could swing and deal 20 damage but TWICE

[regal jasper]

True

Im so hyped now

Best pysker melee

Double staffs

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-spin-rin-dual-sabers-star-wars-gif-15844438

[regal jasper]

I love beating single enemies to death

[autumn smelt]

ive had the idea of a full group running a sedition mission

but you could only knife punch

[regal jasper]

Id be down

Is the fist dmg fixed or do different knives do different dmg

[autumn smelt]

idk

all i know is its low

and from my testing, i think it literally cannot kill a crusher

[regal jasper]

On malice it takes 4 crit punches to kill gunners

[autumn smelt]

it will deal 1 damage until it reaches the end of its health, and from there he needs to take some sort of actual tangeble damage to die if im correct

[regal jasper]

Damn

My dreams of that happening have ended

I try to kill every enemy with the useless damaged

[spice veldt]

if it does that low damage to carapace, then crits will prob just give it rending

[sudden trellis]

btw, how come the Matt Damon FS second heavy deals like 700-800 damage.
is this intentional

[spice veldt]

2.5x damage, and yeah

[regal jasper]

Matt damon fs?

[spice veldt]

the 1st light also deals 2x damage

[autumn smelt]

Fear not
There is a savior
And it's name is kinetic flayer

[sudden trellis]

Daemon force sword, the one with the spatulated tip

[regal jasper]

[autumn smelt]

Deimos

[sudden trellis]

yeah, that

[regal jasper]

Ooh

[sudden trellis]

it's so fucking cracked.

[autumn smelt]

Yeah the deimos fs has quite literally the best single target damage out of any uncharged weapon moveset

[sudden trellis]

dropped deflector 4 on it so now I'm canonically a jedi

[autumn smelt]

I love pressing q from my staff and clicking at and enemy and seeing 1 frame of my sword giving a loving touch go a scabs face and swapping back to my staff in the next frame

[sudden trellis]

I walk into a crowd of shooters with the force shield up like Darth Vader

[regal jasper]

I love crouch spamming in an elevator while also moving my mouse wheel up and down very fast

[sudden trellis]

and then slash through them

[autumn smelt]

Illisi would be better for that honestly

[regal jasper]

Imagine if on higher difficulty team shooting actually did dmg

[sudden trellis]

love the lvl 30 talent that gives you 2 warp charges when you get 1, added with the lv 10 talent that gives you like +30% dmg when you're high up on peril

[autumn smelt]

Imo the deimos is a better "fuck this one dude in particular straight to the hottest depths of hell" button

[sudden trellis]

really?
huh, i thought its lights have good cleave

[autumn smelt]

And illisi is better at multi target

[regal jasper]

What is the difference between the 2 swords exactly?

[sudden trellis]

i gotta switch up then.

[autumn smelt]

It has some, but it's nothing compared to the illisi

[autumn smelt]

One is single target and the other is cleave

[sudden trellis]

guess I didn't notice when the knife zealot instincts took over

[regal jasper]

Oh

[spice veldt]

with regards to the normal attacks, they're the same besides the fact that the illisi doesn't have the stabs that have bonus damage

the 2nd/3rd/4th lights on the deimos have the same stats as the lights on the illisi

and the 1st heavy on the deimos has the same stats as the heavies on the illisi

the special is what makes the illisi stand out

[whole oxide]

not the same attack pattern though

[autumn smelt]

The deimos charge up is a high damage burst against 1 dude
The illisi is essentially a powersword but is still good when uncharged

[spice veldt]

yeah the deimos has the superior light combo pattern

[manic halo]

nuh uh the dueling swords better

[sudden trellis]

i agree but i want to keep my peril high.

[autumn smelt]

Illisi.

That's what that's for

[sudden trellis]

ill switch out my deimos, i guess.

[autumn smelt]

It's the only fs that can spam its charge up

[sudden trellis]

i was somehow very sure that illisi was no good 🤔

[whole oxide]

illisi is easily best melee weapon in the game

[spice veldt]

if you're only using the normals, then there's nothing exceptional about it (though it's still good for being a force sword)

[whole oxide]

using anything else is for roleplay

[spice veldt]

but the special elevates it into top tier

[regal jasper]

My perill never falls below 50 and never goes higher then 90

[autumn smelt]

Plus you use its charge so fast that you can quite quickly build up peril by using it instead of just spamming its charge

[spice veldt]

the special has a generally better damage distribution (higher base damage, lower weakspot/crit dmg) and 10.5 cleave for both lights/heavies

[sudden trellis]

consider me enlightened.

[manic halo]

poor base force sword got left in the dust

[autumn smelt]

Also its cleave charge up can instantly kill most specialists in one swipe, including light attacks

Tox flamer dead in 1 light attack

The unfortunate thing when compared to the deimos is that the deimos has longer dodges, but that's not much of an issue in the bigger picture when both have infinite dodge limits anyway

[grizzled iris]

Arcotash? More like ArcoTRASH! Jokes aside, Arcotash is one of few players on this discord that I respect the opinion off.

[ornate hamlet]

Playing as a low level psycher is such pain ur staff does no damage because the ratings sre so low

[spice veldt]

if it's the Trauma staff, then it'll particularly suck at lower ratings

it's one of the weapons with the highest stat scalings in this game

e.g., charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

[autumn smelt]

In those moments when you're shits absolutely fucked and you can't even take the time to charge it up, its light attack spam is honestly pretty reliable in my experience

[spice veldt]

so that's a 250% difference from one stat alone

yeah light spam is pretty neat by virtue of it's notoriously high weakspot multipliers and slaughterer

i've been turning my brain off a lot while playing the game, so I've just been needlessly spamming my special and getting my peril up for no reason

[ornate hamlet]

Yea that and the surge is so weak as well

[autumn smelt]

I remember literally almost quitting psyker when using that first one, imagine that image of that old dude giving up
Shit was so painful

[autumn smelt]

What are you using it on? Or are you referring to low statted ones

[spice veldt]

surge is primarily a stagger tool, though its damage output is a problem compared to something like the Trauma

[spice veldt]

i think i'm one of the few people who liked the trauma when it generated 47% peril per cast

[ornate hamlet]

Yea except it cant even kill a poxwalker at low ratings which is a pain

[sudden trellis]

surge is a great source of light in the dark

[grizzled iris]

I quit psyker until we got the new force swords and the buffs to trauma. After those I went back to main my psyker

[autumn smelt]

Insane

Someone stop this man

[spice veldt]

surge staff deals like 1/4th damage to Unarmoured and Infested armour types

[ornate hamlet]

How do ur brain bursts get lower peril as u progress

[spice veldt]

so it's quite terrible against those enemies in addition to its generally poor DPS

[ornate hamlet]

Cuz rn oen burst is like 33%

[lunar hollow]

never heard a thing out of your mouth about this game that didn't sound at least a little unhinged

[spice veldt]

shut up

47% peril for a trauma cast is actually balanced

instead of whatever we have for this infinite cleave weapon that we have

[sudden trellis]

warp res with stacks and the lv 30 talent that halves BB peril gen

[autumn smelt]

The best way to think about the surge staff is it does better to armored enemies, because their armor is conductive

[ornate hamlet]

How do u get warp tes

Rew

[autumn smelt]

It FUCKS UP flak enemies

[ornate hamlet]

Res

[lunar hollow]

'infinite cleave' on trauma is a bit disingenuous considering its limited by blast radius

[spice veldt]

brain burst generates 45% peril with the LMB by default (20% peril for the channel, and 25% peril for the cast)

[lunar hollow]

and its a weapon that can actively grief your teammates by using it

[sudden trellis]

lv 10 talent, lv 25 talent

[spice veldt]

still means that you can dink a horde that has a crusher inside of it

instead of being the voidstrike that gets stopped by literally anything

[autumn smelt]

Feats and the warp resist stat on your weapon (which only applies to said weapon)

[spice veldt]

the entire point of Carapace/Unyielding enemies being able to stop finite cleave is completely ignored by infinite cleave

[autumn smelt]

Also kinetic barrage for bb specifically

[ornate hamlet]

Ah so it helps with brain bust as well?

[autumn smelt]

You didn't read what I said

[spice veldt]

and with how fast quelling is nowadays, 47% peril isn't that insane anymore

[lunar hollow]

i don't mind there being options to bypass large hitmass enemies. if you're hitting a crusher with the trauma most of your epicentre is either hitting the crusher or it was positioned in such a manner that it didn't matter in the first place

[spice veldt]

it was insane when the first tick of quelling required 500ms, but not anymore

[autumn smelt]

Doesnt mean I would like it tho

[spice veldt]

true

[ornate hamlet]

How do u quell faster

[spice veldt]

i run warp absorption nowadays instead of quietitude, so I wouldn't necessarily like it anymore

[whole oxide]

you don't need warp-resistance for brainburst though, as long as you start at 97% or below, you won't explode, so you just quell a tiny bit down from 100%, BB, repeat. whether it costs 40%, 30%, 20% is irrelevant

[spice veldt]

but it'll be more balanced

[broken carbon]

use your staff

[autumn smelt]

Quelling with a staff that has high quell speed

[spice veldt]

staffs have the Quell Speed stat which affects how much peril you quell per tick

[ornate hamlet]

Ah

I see

[spice veldt]

though, note that staffs with <50% quell speed will quell slower than your force swords and brain burst

[autumn smelt]

@ornate hamlet once you reach level 30, trust me, psyker will fall into place, it sucks until then

[spice veldt]

since Brain Burst and Force Swords have an innate quell speed of 50%

[ornate hamlet]

Yea it sucks rn but is fun

[autumn smelt]

Psyker imo is the most feat dependant class

[lunar hollow]

the solution is to have an exactly 50% quell speed staff

[ornate hamlet]

And matchmaking is so shit at kow levels

[spice veldt]

how bout no

[lunar hollow]

😭

[ornate hamlet]

Bunch of level 8s queing for high intense shcok troop

[sudden trellis]

hard agree

[ornate hamlet]

And dying within 5 mins cuz 0 teamwork

[spice veldt]

yummy tears

shlerp

[lunar hollow]

freak

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1115917730504249344/2FA4296C-344B-4C13-AD15-C6FFF8C14A85.gif

[lunar hollow]

monster

[spice veldt]

true i am a psyker main (unlike you)

[lunar hollow]

im a nothing main at this point ive hardly touched the game in the last 2 weeks

fuck u

[spice veldt]

exactly

[autumn smelt]

I'm a kinetic barrage enjoyer and was using quicken and a few other diff feats for a trauma build
I don't think I had ever been more miserable
Thankfully I'm back to KB but with a wildfire blazing trauma build

[spice veldt]

that's saliva and also not josho, so no

[ornate hamlet]

can anyone play with me to help me level up

Im tired of low levels

[lunar hollow]

what a sentence

[spice veldt]

it's fax

[lunar hollow]

debatable

[sudden trellis]

I was going to ask what's the best single-target staff to pair the AoE illisi FS with, but almost forgot the psyker has the single-target-be-gone spell

[spice veldt]

tbf, Brain Burst's DPS is very pitiful

we also currently have no single-target staff, unfortunately

[whole oxide]

the gun staff

[spice veldt]

our current selection of staffs is some mixture of AoE/Stagger

the meta gun for psykers would be the Shredder Autopistol with Pinning FIre + Blaze Away/Inspiring Barrage

preferably Inspiring Barrage over Blaze Away for toughness generation

[lunar hollow]

KB makes it okay, but you basically have to use it as a fight opener to get any value out of it

since people treat blue heads as being marked for death

(me included)

[spice veldt]

bitch

[sudden trellis]

or- then again, if the illisi's power-up is spammable, does it doink single targets?

[spice veldt]

it's fine, but it's also probably similar to the normal attacks

[lunar hollow]

the illisi can be made to hit similar single target breakpoints as the deimos it just requires slaughterer stacks and a special activation most of the time

[spice veldt]

with regards to the normal attacks,
against Unarmoured/Infested, light spam is the best
against anything else, heavy spam is the best

but you usually want to spam the special against ragers/maulers because of the stagger

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/1dq2fs

it can 1 shot all specials and all non ogryn/mauler elites

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/y1vf95

(mutants from the mutant wave take 2.5x damage)

[sudden trellis]

batting a thousand

[lunar hollow]

very balanced weapon as u can tell

[spice veldt]

extreeeemely balanced at the top of the mountain

i bug reported slaughterer lasting longer than it should so let's see how it goes

[ornate hamlet]

Bro whats ur PA2 graphics

[spice veldt]

this is on my dreamcast, actually

i'm playing on an ultrathin laptop, so it's the compromise that I must make for stable-ish 60 frames https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133928123868663828/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_1a6a056c-46bb-40d5-a06c-d77bce4f5a63.png

[autumn smelt]

At least your pc can run the game on potato mode

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a quite good laptop

[autumn smelt]

My desktop quite literally would bluescreen if i opened up the game

[spice veldt]

death

[sudden trellis]

for a second thought you had a harmonica under the fan

[spice veldt]

yeah that's my emergency harmonica when people with good tastes in music come to rob my house

[sudden trellis]

no tide game experience is complete without the harmonica feedback system

[regal jasper]

Its uncanny how similar our psykers look

I thought i was so unique

[sudden trellis]

damn, nice cosmetics

[regal jasper]

Ty ty

Psyker fashion show?

With the chat that totally isn’t dead rn

[regal jasper]

We even have the same tattoos wtf

I think the only difference between our psykers is the skin tone

[sudden trellis]

cant find my rat cosplay set

[regal jasper]

Im just honestly so dumbfounded by how uncannily similar our psykers are

[autumn smelt]

Nah that's not my psyker

[regal jasper]

Who’s psyker is it

Its so weird how almost every cosmetic choice is the exact samr

[autumn smelt]

Mine is blocked a little here but this is mine

[regal jasper]

Looks stoic

[autumn smelt]

The person who made the meme I downloaded

[regal jasper]

Damn fair enough

[autumn smelt]

[regal jasper]

Ill find them

[autumn smelt]

I love darktide memes

[regal jasper]

And ask how tf we have the same psyker

[autumn smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1123609358052376706/yes.gif

Like this is such a good reaction gif in general

[sudden trellis]

(just a flesh wound)

[regal jasper]

Id survive that

[autumn smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1074431213990846485/doncare.gif

[sudden trellis]

BRO JUST BUILT DIFFERENT

[regal jasper]

Exactly

[lavish forge]

How is this for a Surge Staff build

[autumn smelt]

I've never seen anyone use that 4th feat

[sudden trellis]

supportmaxed/10

[autumn smelt]

Honestly imo PA is a better support feat than CL

[lavish forge]

my idea is because of fast ticks of surge damage I might as well stack all the brainburst buff

[spice veldt]

though it's ultimately only every 15 seconds

[lavish forge]

PA and CL? idk what that is

[autumn smelt]

Psykinetic aura, cerebral lacerations

3rd feat

[lavish forge]

true but I mainly use it against elites and pecials anyway

[whole oxide]

you don't get to choose what it gets used on

[lavish forge]

right yeah if I was using trauma I might go PA

[sudden trellis]

if you feel like you pull it off, more power to you, hombre.
I run 3rd option in lv 15 ones on most setups because of the +25% boost

[lavish forge]

aiming it at a group of specials gives it a better chance

[whole oxide]

if it already triggered 10 seconds ago, it has a zero chance

[autumn smelt]

Honestly I use PA for literally every build I have

[spice veldt]

i only bring cerebral lacerations out for monstrosity maelstroms

[magic hull]

hey guys which is the best perk for maximum damage output

[autumn smelt]

In higher end difficulties, there are so many more elites, so having everyone's ult back faster is just so huge

[regal jasper]

Is the dagger a good melee?

[magic hull]

not the best

but it stylish

and fun

[lavish forge]

good for defense you have really long dodes

[sudden trellis]

good point actually. it reduces your CD as well, right?

[whole oxide]

but to answer your original question, the only thing that obviously seems "wrong" is the Mind in Motion feat, it just does nothing, either of the other 2 feats will do so much more for you

[lavish forge]

I love the mobility of mind in motion. I feel hamperd by not using it

[whole oxide]

it barely changes your mobility if you're quelling with a staff

all it enables you to do is be lazy and not swap to staff

[autumn smelt]

Yes, I pair it with psykinetic barrage as a FUCK YOU SPECIALISTS button for emergencies

[spice veldt]

you can always dodge while quelling which makes it redundant

[autumn smelt]

It's great when you gave staves that lack burst damage

[spice veldt]

or quell while sliding if you have the APM for it

[autumn smelt]

Like purg or surge

[sudden trellis]

oh shidd. it'll come in handy for force push spam for my darth vader LARP

[autumn smelt]

I was using a quicken build for trauma staff earlier and I never felt more useless and restricted

[lavish forge]

well i changed some stuff around based on your recomendations

Here is my void blast feats

[autumn smelt]

I'm not a void staff user really, but those feats look pretty solid

[lavish forge]

theya re the only 2 staves i have a good one of. I wanna go for a trauma next

[autumn smelt]

Thats what I would run for a quicken build, but I'd use deflection, but that's just personal preference

Whichever you like more for that slot tbh

[magic hull]

is this worth upgrading

[whole oxide]

I've never been able to see a good usecase for Quicken

[autumn smelt]

It was alright with the trauma staff, but I just didn't enjoy using it

[whole oxide]

especially with trauma i'd struggle to see a use for it

[spice veldt]

the stagger from the ult can be pretty useful, but I would probably run the trauma staff at that point

[whole oxide]

you already have amazing stagger with trauma

[autumn smelt]

Not for the stagger, but for the instant quelling

[lavish forge]

My voidstike. I am assumin I want flak instead of specialist damage but what do I want instead of Terrifyin Barrage?

[autumn smelt]

If I'm lucky with psykinetic communion, I can use my ult multiple times in a row while never stopping my chained trauma attacks

[autumn smelt]

Forgot the name, but quell on precision hit

That blessing

[whole oxide]

yeah, Transfer Peril for Void

[lavish forge]

still need to unlock it

[whole oxide]

Flurry is good too

Flurry+Transfer is ideal

[autumn smelt]

Honestly I'd say you can swap both blessings to get that ideal

But that's just me

I'm a whore for warp flurry

[lavish forge]

Better stats?

I got tranfer peril 4 on it

[whole oxide]

those are great stats

[lavish forge]

alright I will rip of nexuss off the original

thanks for advice

[magic hull]

bruh how did i get catapult

[green carbon]

Darktide moment :^)

[spice veldt]

prob beast of nurgle melee

[gilded radish]

some terrible blessing tho

[gilded radish]

it swings its tail about

or would that be his body since he is a slug

or his feet but combined into something long

[green carbon]

It's a bodylegtail

[gilded radish]

@magic hull You got hit by bodylegtail

[green carbon]

[gilded radish]

are the ordo dockets unlimited now?

[hidden crystal]

I know that the charged attack isn't currently multiplied by the First Target modifier, but when it comes to First Target in general, is this actually what it means, or is this Fatshark at their wonky descriptions again?

[cyan notch]

it just means bonus damage to first guy hit

[hidden crystal]

So it doesn't actually require hitting multiple enemies to apply?

[cyan notch]

no

[hidden crystal]

Right.

[spice veldt]

overly specific description strikes again

[hidden crystal]

Yes, it sounds like it could just be "How much damage is done to the first enemy hit by each swing", it doesn't need anything about "multiple enemies" in there.

[zealous sierra]

What's the whole feats and build for a shredder psyker?

[spice veldt]

with a shredder that has Inspiring Barrage and alongside the Illisi, I personally run 212233

there's a lot of flexibility though so you can prob just pick whatever choice of feats will suit you

could run communion + warp bat + ascendant blaze instead and all that

[slow raven]

does charging the purgatus right click do anything besides make it last longer?

[willow hazel]

1/1/1/1/3/2 is what I run with shredder

[slow raven]

trying to test in psykanium if maybe it applies stacks faster or something but it seems to be the same

[magic hull]

is this worth it to buy

limited time acquisition weapon

[spice veldt]

the achlys is considered the worst among the combat axes (bad light combo and 1st heavy is worse), and the perks/blessings on it aren't promising besides +flak

hmm, the shared currencies is giving me an incentive to start playing my other characters

damn

grind for melk coins and then throw it away into the mystery options because of my extreme copium for the perfect weapons/curios

[willow escarp]

yeah I cant believe it wasn’t that way to begin with, it literally discouraged playing more

melkcoin grind does feel better since it’s not punishing you to complete your contracts on every character

[spice veldt]

time to finally hop back onto vet

[plucky flax]

I run 113133 with autopistol

[grizzled iris]

Don't do it!

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1115917730504249344/2FA4296C-344B-4C13-AD15-C6FFF8C14A85.gif

[analog solstice]

found a new purgatus, does this have potential to be better than my current one?

bottom one is my current one

[thorn cedar]

yea

well

idk

higher burn, less reach

probably? i'd rate them about equal

[analog solstice]

same, looks like they are pretty close. i feel like it depends on how much cloud radius matters

[thorn cedar]

i'm not big on +maniac but +elite makes a lot of sense

[analog solstice]

overall more stats on new one but its 80 on quell speed which is worthless

[thorn cedar]

if nothing else you can now book Warp Flurry so future ones will be easier

but we're really finessing the last like 2% of your weapon's potential so really

[analog solstice]

I think ill just scrap it, if only it had a better distribution of modifiers it would almost be a godroll

[harsh urchin]

cloud needs to be 80, burn needs to be 76+

rest of the stats dont matter as much

[analog solstice]

Alright, do you know which perk to go for along with crit?

I figure either elite/maniac/monster

[harsh urchin]

unarmored/flak/infested/unyielding

maniac is pretty useless

[thorn cedar]

imo the best results are flak/unyielding

runner ups are elite/crit

not as a pairing, just as individual

[harsh urchin]

since you're not going to be killing maniacs with the staff

[analog solstice]

I thought it would help a bit against mutants and berserkers

[harsh urchin]

if there's a mutant coming in

[analog solstice]

But the berserkers melt anyways and mutants shouldnt really be burned

[harsh urchin]

and a psyker holds flamethrower staff on mutant instead of pulling out melee

[thorn cedar]

you dont really need it is the thing, and the one rager that's especially dangerous is flak

[harsh urchin]

i personally just make a mental note of it and lower my expectations from them

for the rest of the game

[thorn cedar]

also anybody who keeps dumping fire on crushers instead of BB'ing

[analog solstice]

I dont really focus them with flamethrower lol, sometimes they run around in giant packs of other enemies

[thorn cedar]

but yeah flak types take reduced burn damage, so buffing that is a good idea

everything else dies pretty rapidly to the sheer amount of burn stacks you apply

unyielding gives you something for monsters and unyielding in general just has such big health bars that boosting that also goes a decent way

[analog solstice]

Alright, ill wait for a better modifier roll and try and get flak if i can and settle with unyielding if i have to

[lilac mirage]

Is Psyker weak i feel like my Purgatus Psyker Build keeps dying allot

[harsh urchin]

no. psyker is strong

if you're dying a lot it is most likely your own skill

[lilac mirage]

what do i need to do

[thorn cedar]

really that's a sentence which always holds true

get hit less

[harsh urchin]

you need to get hit less and kill stuff faster

[lilac mirage]

but purgatus doesnt kill stuff fast

[thorn cedar]

get a feel for your toughness bar and whatever regen feat you have and back up when it's below 100%

[lilac mirage]

its a horde clearer and its good at doing that

[harsh urchin]

purgatus kills certain things fast and doesn't kill certain things

[thorn cedar]

wot difficulty also is important to ask

[lilac mirage]

heresy

[harsh urchin]

you can use it to kill horde and ragers

[lilac mirage]

heresy pubs

[thorn cedar]

yea just work on positioning within your team

[ornate hamlet]

Whats the flame staff called

[thorn cedar]

stay with them but also keep safe from enemies and learn what to prioritize

purgatus

[lilac mirage]

problem is in pubs everyone runs away leaving me alone

[harsh urchin]

against stuff like mutants you want to use melee

yeah sounds like you need to work on your fundamentals then lol

[ornate hamlet]

I feel like psyker is the most team reliant operative

[harsh urchin]

cuz it sounds like to me your basic combat including melee isn't good enough when your teammates aren't there

to support you

[lilac mirage]

is purgatus good in pubs or should i switch other builds

[harsh urchin]

purg is good lol

[spice veldt]

it's fine in pubs if you can work around the range

for reference, you get ranged i-frames on dodges, slides, and sprinting perpendicularly

you won't be able to sprint-slide while casting, so make sure to save your dodges until then

[strong gulch]

Psyker is less forgiving when making mistakes.

Primary on purg has a lot stagger. That helps.

You can slide and charge your M2 to close gaps then unleash fire.

Rememeber that your melee exists.

[lilac mirage]

how do u deal with lots of shooters if you dont have AB and no cover

i get melted by gunners

[ornate hamlet]

Whats AB

[harsh urchin]

you use cover

lol

[strong gulch]

2nd level 30 feat

Ascendant Blaze

[harsh urchin]

either A. use cover or B. play vet

[spice veldt]

or hope that your melee kills faster than you lose toughness and gets enough of them locked into melee

[lilac mirage]

im coming from bolter vet so im not really used to psyker but im trying to get good

[spice veldt]

you're pretty fucked if you can't DPS check them

[thorn cedar]

but you CAN sprint slide while charging it up so that's your opportunity to maintain charge-up/Warp Flurry and mosie around

mosey?

idk how that's spelt honestly

[lyric burrow]

think its mosey

but i dont know if ive seen it spelled too often

[lyric burrow]

assuming its more shooters than you can dodge slide into safely then yeah you kinda need cover

spread out shooters suck with no cover as not vet

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yea im not there yet

[young ridge]

Simply don't make mistakes

[lilac mirage]

welp my psyker is medium height and he cant hide behind cover

[ornate hamlet]

Is it like literally impossible to be shot when sliding

[spice veldt]

yeah

you get straight up ranged i-frames on slides

[strong gulch]

You got to time it tho

[spice veldt]

here's a demo with dodges, but it should get the point across https://streamable.com/2lt083

[ornate hamlet]

Damn

[lilac mirage]

Should i play gun psyker instead

[spice veldt]

from an optimality perspective, if you have an inspiring barrage autopistol

otherwise, you're going to run into toughness gen problems

[hidden crystal]

If you're used to vet, then no, psykers can't soak nearly as many bullets in a straight firefight.

[spice veldt]

force swords have infinite dodges, so that should also be abused to hell

[thorn cedar]

ABD, always be dodging

[spice veldt]

dodge-slides provide a lot of uptime for your ranged i-frames and come with the downside of counting twice to your dodge limit... which doesn't matter at all as long as your force sword is held out

[hidden crystal]

Psykers do have options, but you can't default to "I'm shooting them more than they're shooting me, so I win" like vets do.

[lilac mirage]

how are you blocking bullets

[ornate hamlet]

Coming from vet psycher is a glass canon

[spice veldt]

Deflector blessing

[thorn cedar]

Vet is just dumb.

[ornate hamlet]

Vets are fun

[spice veldt]

psyker has lower base stats, but a lot of our defense is very active and reactionary

[thorn cedar]

You're better off learning every other class before doing Veteran because they are so very stacked.

[lilac mirage]

which sword

[spice veldt]

the Blaze Force Swords have that blessing

[lilac mirage]

does the deimos sword have it ?

[spice veldt]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

Yea i just realized how forgiving it is for a vet to be hit

Melee

[spice veldt]

all of the Blaze Force Swords have it

weapons in the same family have the same blessings and share a blessing pool

weapon families are indicated by the latter part of a weapon's name

Combat Axes, Tactical Axes, Combat Blades, Blaze Force Swords, etc.

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker is so weak if ur not level 30

Even the low rating weapons do no damage

I play in heresy and it does so little damage i havent even unlocked damnation yet

[spice veldt]

though it's mostly the trauma staff that suffers from that problem