psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

https://streamable.com/nbjmrs
trauma staff moment

[flat shadow]

Before I watch did you ledge 59 enemies

[lyric burrow]

no

[idle aurora]

15% recharge reduction of your ult (and to teammates in your radius)

[flat shadow]

Darn

[flat shadow]

Oh on elite kill right

[idle aurora]

Ye, on auric/spec gauntlet it works really well, did another run with it, with 12% from curios it's actually insane how fast you can get ult back when action is hitting

[thorn cedar]

i'm the same as arco, i pair it with Kinetic Barrage

you basically get the ult back as soon as the effect runs out and can put out another chain of BB's

presuming all the BB's you landed were on the right enemies, ofc

10s duration of KB, roughly five BB's out in that time span, ezpz

i find it INCREDIBLY HARD not to use PA + KB

i detest losing all my warp charges along with half my peril for pressing F with the other ults

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-please-no-nooooo-no-please-no-no-god-no-gif-26334009

[thorn cedar]

such a massive dip in your damage/survivability

[lethal folio]

Max damage Trauma with full warp charges and peril, +25% infested damage just barely misses the breakpoint to kill a maelstrom poxburster with the outer explosion.

Adding specialists is possible.

[lyric burrow]

i have the same issue with the others

+dps on bosses is really good with it

[stuck finch]

Dodging while executing a charged heavy swing with the Illisi feels so badass

Grimdark fruit ninja

[strong gulch]

Are dogs supposed to be able to launch at you while you're stabbing them?? Is that new or have I just been lucky to not have that happen?

[granite mauve]

sometimes servers have their moment

[strong gulch]

KK. Just making sure there wasn't a new mechanic.

[lyric burrow]

theres a 99% chance for some random non functional shit to happen with dogs every time you interact with them

1% chance they work right

[harsh salmon]

what staff is the flamethrower?

[lyric burrow]

purge

[harsh salmon]

👍

[strong gulch]

fecking true

[harsh salmon]

that the level 15 one?

[strong gulch]

I forget when you unlock it, but this one.

Colloquially known as purg

[lyric burrow]

yeah i def dont remember when you unlock it

been a long time

[hidden crystal]

Purge, Surge, Turge and Vurge.

[lyric burrow]

Idk if im just playing bad or these new auric level malestorm missions are hard

Had my fill of poxbursters

[ornate hamlet]

Yea but you have the high ground.

[hidden crystal]

That kind of thing is just fun with my Between the Eyes/Ghost MG12.

[autumn smelt]

THATS what I should do
I should build my curios for tough regen, gunners, and ult regen
I defaulted sniper instead of ult regen and I've always felt that been a waste, since I rarely get hit with snipers anyway cuz I just ult and blow up his pancakes with wrath before he can hit anyone anyway
I should really slap that extra 12% on there, I already use wrath and aura in nearly every build I have

[idle aurora]

Imo, bomber resist is pretty valuable, sometimes those fuckers just throw nades in the worst places and that 20% can be a difference between a down and jumping out to continue the fight (and i feel like bombers are much more common then snipers)

[autumn smelt]

I could have just received misinformation, but I thought curio damage resistances were to toughness only, no?

[shadow wigeon]

This makes me uncomfortable.

[hidden crystal]

I didn't even get on to the Murge lasgun.

[lyric burrow]

iirc im fairly certain bomber resist only affects the kick that bombers do im melee and therefore makes no real difference

same for flamers

i could be remembering wrong but i think thats the case

[autumn smelt]

Yeah I remember just being told bomber and flamer resist was useless

[idle aurora]

Bruh, if that's real then i got some good ass placebo effect it felt that i eat less damage

[autumn smelt]

And that might be why I got the idea of toughness damage only

Cuz both instagib your toughness

[idle aurora]

Maybe my positions where a bit different

[autumn smelt]

Oh hold on

[idle aurora]

Its stupid that we cant test damage sources in meat grinder

Unless creature spawner mod allows to spawn 1 bomber that will attack you

[autumn smelt]

You literally do not recieve damage in the meat grinder

[lyric burrow]

oh ok if they patched it i was unaware

[autumn smelt]

So was I
I can't find a patch note for it either

[lyric burrow]

they do patch things and just not include some stuff

like when they change text for shit or small changes like that

arco always finds them lol

[autumn smelt]

Arco the investigator

[idle aurora]

Ye, i know. Even psyker explosion doesn't kill you

[autumn smelt]

its how the people got oob and to the training room with the chasm in the middle

by spawning a billion bursters iin the same spot and trauma-ing themselves into the stratosphere

[hidden crystal]

Mods can override that, but actually dying can cause crashes because the game doesn't know what to do.

[lyric burrow]

i remember seeing those posts constantly on reddit

[autumn smelt]

anytime i see stuff like that i just wish i had a good pc so i could run mods lmao

[idle aurora]

It would be cool to test damage resists etc. and maybe just have an immortal bot who will get you up from downed state

[autumn smelt]

i feel like they might be afraid to add something like that

cuz somehow it would worm its way into the actual game

so youd have a bot that just cant die and keeps picking you up

[hidden crystal]

The Will of the Emperor mod has fervency mode that gives you self revive.

In self hosted lobbies, anyway

[idle aurora]

Fatshark works with modders, in terms of what is allowed/not allowed into multiplayer, and they probably have some sort of monitoring to check if somebody tries to completely break the game with crazy cheats/mods

So all current crazy mods that are available force you into single player + disable progression

they probably can expand the meat grinder functionality, if more people will ask for it

[idle aurora]

whait, lol, they literally have this mechanic during training, where you get downed and bot revives you

[autumn smelt]

oh true lmao

[idle aurora]

Guess ill tag catfish on monday so she can pass this request/idea for damage tests

[autumn smelt]

imagine how huge it would be if you could crawl when downed

[lyric burrow]

havent been able to get a good deimos in days of trying pray that hadron does not brick this one once i get the plasteel

[steel flame]

I randomly found this lol

also after 20 FUCKING SWORDS i finally got my first slaughter perk, and its level 4 as well :D

[olive ember]

aye nice

[autumn smelt]

melk actually rolled up with a really nice sword

but mine is just a little better tho sadly

[lyric burrow]

i finally got a good illisi so i cant really complain but this game does not want me to have a good deimos

no i dont want precog and executor on my perfect deimos for the 8th time

[steel flame]

Well speak of the fucking devil

[lyric burrow]

that is quite good so long as they dont change how illisi special works with first target

[harsh salmon]

they are a challange

[spice veldt]

yeah even in normal hishock, your team can just die if they get unlucky with their positioning when a special wave comes, and then you have all this other stuff tacked on

[autumn smelt]

i rarely finish them, and most of the time only the easier ones

[spice veldt]

and poxbursters are 1.4k hp mfs which might be painful if you don't have any explosive damage

[autumn smelt]

anytime the payout is 83k dockets, that mission is just not getting done

[spice veldt]

monstrosity maelstrom be like

[autumn smelt]

truly

[lyric burrow]

ill even do the heresy ones for all the stuff it gives you

i dont find the monstrosity ones to be too bad but maybe im getting good teammates

[upper galleon]

monstrosity requires a monster killer, thammer zealot or bolter vet

maybe a club ogryn with thrust 4

[autumn smelt]

im actually pretty surprised how good psykinetics wrath is for it

from 0, im pretty sure it can kill a weak monstrosity before 100%

[lyric burrow]

yeah if you have WB + KB you can delete the weakened ones before even needing to quell

[dawn crypt]

Are there any theories as to why so many underqualified fresh level 30s join high int shock troop or maelstrom?
Is it 1) expectation to be carried 2) greediness for extra rewards 3) noobs feeling adventurous 4) not giving a shit about losing and wasting time

Theres no possible way a level 37 has enough hours invested to acquire gear from this loot/crafting system to handle hishock

[primal fjord]

Now that we can actually make decent custom Curios easily. Would any Psyker build benefit from using 2-3 stamina Curios? 🤔

[snow scaffold]

They probably bought the game during the Steam sale and think they're good enough

[dawn crypt]

I personally dont find the need for it. Since psykers stam regen delay is non existent + 12% stam regen

My friend whos way better than me however does use +2 stam on his veteran and no other classes

[spice veldt]

maybe if you're not running kinetic deflection

though I think that one stam curio is adequate in the case, specifically for blocking ragers/chaos spawn

[lyric burrow]

yeah i just use one +3 stam curio

if you run deflection its more than enough

even without it is

[autumn smelt]

ew
the auric mael mission is vent purge

[lyric burrow]

almost def people wanting rewards

either that or older players are coming back to see the new modifers/slightly changed crafting and are going to the hardest stuff because they used to be able to do it

[harsh urchin]

give it like 2 weeks

For all of those ppl to stop playin

[strong gulch]

I'd say all of them.

Even regular T4s are rough right now. New people or returning players who aren't experienced.

Fresh 30s and below notwithstanding, people get better at x difficulty and condition by playing those.

I know it's a different server situation compared to VT2, but not being able to just fool around on a map to practice without the worry of negatively impacting others would be helpful.

Yes, I know mods exist. Even creature spawner is not a replacement for that because the psykhanium doesn't have ping issues the way a live map does, AI seems a little different there, and you don't learn map layouts and spawn points.

edit to add "not "

[restive slate]

Im helping my friend level his Psyker, at what levels do you unlock Illisi and Deimos?

[autumn smelt]

i know you unlocked one of them at 15

i think that was the illisi

and if thats correct then deimos was around 10ish

[zealous sierra]

Swapped out Nexus for Deflector and I really feel that damage drop

Can't even find deflector 4

Been running trauma without peril resist for that 10% damage

[plucky flax]

I don't see how you feel the damage drop with such a nice sword.

[zealous sierra]

my usual light spam now have me hearing whooshh sounds

and I suck at psker

[plucky flax]

Light spam against groaners, and thin poxwalkers only.

[zealous sierra]

Yes but when I had unstable

[plucky flax]

When the horde get thick time to spam specials

[zealous sierra]

I could l spam a hoard of pox

[plucky flax]

Hrm when you light spam you don't have high peril so unstable doesn't do anything then.

[zealous sierra]

It's usually after I swap from staff

So I have like 50-80

Then I do the occasional special to keep peril going cause of that trapper hidding in a hoard

[restive slate]

I personally use Shred

[zealous sierra]

But yea, I just suck at Psyker. Definitely still better on vet, zealot and ogyrn than Psyker

🥲

This weapon is like a treasure given to a rat that can't use it properly

[plucky flax]

Tru it takes practice. Psyker is squishy when I play like a tard as if I'm playing zealot.

[zealous sierra]

Blowing myself up doesn't help other than the times I walked into a crowd of crushers and blew em up

Is there a way to instantly blow up? Cause idk if it's a glitch but I instantly went boom once or twice

[spice veldt]

if you die, swap your weapon (such as getting blown up by a barrel/burster), and such, you'll immediately blow up
I think i've read about people instantly blowing up outside of these circumstances though

i've always went through the animation unless the above things happened so I can't speak for that

[upper galleon]

if you cast at 100% peril you will blow up after a short animation with your hands, giving you time to press F, also instantly blowing up is caused by trying to weapon swap or getting blown up

also psyker tip, your F is more effective the more peril you have when used. Tbh I think it should stagger monsters if you use it at 100%

[autumn smelt]

if you are in the middle of the blowing up animation, and something CCs you, mutants, dogs, trappers, you will instantly blow up, because you have no way of stopping yourself from blowing up, cuz you cant ult when dogs on you for example

[upper galleon]

So can the slight cc from a dog pouncing an ally next to you or a mutant going up/down

Honestly just practice edging your perils and only go into blow up mode when you have F ready and a good spot to use it

[autumn smelt]

this should be you

[eternal cargo]

Edging your perils is the best workout.

[zealous sierra]

Edging huh :3

[zealous sierra]

Borderline Insanity

Also what's everyone curio looking

Now that u can refine 2 of the stats

[spice veldt]

i've got 3x tough, 3x hp, 1x gun res, 1x block eff (cuz I don't run stamina or kinetic deflection), and a flex slot for whatever

[ornate hamlet]

XP gain

[magic hull]

probably not the most effecient but damn are knives cool and cinematic

[zealous sierra]

Ducat

[grizzled jasper]

Knife animator: I put my heart and soul into this

Players: lolknife

[magic hull]

psykers drip is the reason i play

[sacred harbor]

what are good bessings for a purge staff?

[plucky flax]

Nexus and flurry.

[digital loom]

of course you're going to feel a damage drop when you switch an offensive blessing with a defensive one, what a stupid statement to make...

[spice veldt]

40 minute game on excise vault

now i realize why people hate it

open ass spaces that can take long to clear if a ranged patrol spawns there and the team can't bumrush them

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-trauma-imagination-spongebob-gif-23778560

[spice veldt]

I had trauma, but it was just me and a flamer/thammer zealot up until the midevent where another player joined (and then the 4th joined about 3/4ths of the way through)

and I was in the business of winning this time, so I was playing it safely by dealing with the special waves first before starting the events

the midevent was started at 16 minutes and the finale finished at 39:20

having no single-target DPS for reapers is so sad

[meager plinth]

reapers when they manage to not shoot at a wall are quite spicy fr

more psyker driptide

we need more less fancy psykers

gotta be unhinged

[ornate hamlet]

How many skins does psycher weapons need

[worldly chasm]

ty melk?

[pliant heath]

rip blessing for sure at least but if you don't have one better than that it's not terrible

[ornate hamlet]

How do u brain burst faster or do it to enemies u cant see

[eternal cargo]

For faster brain bursts you need to have the level 30 feat.
You always have to see an enemy initially but once you have targeted them you can get out of line of sight.
Alternatively you can pre-charge a brain burst so that you can hit an enemy the moment they enter line of sight.

[ornate hamlet]

How do u precharge it

[eternal cargo]

Hold right mouse button, then press left mouse button on top of an enemy when it's charged.

[ornate hamlet]

Tyty

What is warp charge?

[meager plinth]

@ornate hamlet

[ornate hamlet]

Why is there so many lmao

[meager plinth]

warp charges are part of the warp siphon passive, they buff your damage by 4% each, they can be acquired by killing enemies with bb, warp communion and ascendant blaze

[ornate hamlet]

Ah i see

[spice veldt]

you can also sprint while brain bursting, though you won't move much faster until you slide

[ornate hamlet]

Ty for the tips i just started using psycher today

[meager plinth]

[eternal cargo]

Warp charges can also be expended by two of the three level 30 feats for either a quicker recharge or soulfire, though in the case of soulfire you'll want to have 6 warp charges as it will maximize your damage.

[meager plinth]

kinetic flayer is also good instead of 6 charges since it gives random bursts of damage which supplement your normal damage

[velvet stratus]

Which of the dueling swords can deal with hoards the best?

[zealous sierra]

Illisis

[upper galleon]

We had a horde and mutant wave spawn but also some mega cursed 6 reapers spawning behind us and that wiped our run

[ornate hamlet]

This is why I've been preaching to the vets to bring a gun that can kill those guys

[upper galleon]

Can't believe we were outplayed by a squad of ogryns

Also wildfire isn't bad anymore post rework

Especially in hi density, you'll just soften up all the enemies since it chain spreads

[eternal cargo]

Don't quote me on that, but I think it was II.

[upper galleon]

Better for damage, slightly worse than 6 charges

[eternal cargo]

But I haven't really touched the duelling swords in quite a while.

[upper galleon]

Hell, if there is ranged trash behind a horde, usually wildfire will have them burnt up by the time the horde dies

[eternal cargo]

The softening up part is definitely a thing I've been thinking about for quite a while. I might give it a shot.

[upper galleon]

Yee, I just started taking Illisi and abandoned Deimos, cleaving special is just too good

[eternal cargo]

Since most of the difficulty is being shifted to quantity over quality, being able to affect as many enemies as possible has definitely become all the more important.

[analog solstice]

anyone know how 25% damage to for example flak works on purgatus? does it affect the burn damage as well or just the low impact damage

[upper galleon]

For purge staff you want unyielding or maniac + crit chance

Crits with purge staff apply double soulblaze stacks

[analog solstice]

yeah, i have crit, i was just curious if the 25% damage also affects the brunt of the damage which is the dot

[upper galleon]

I'm not exactly sure I'm just following zealot flamer logic

[eternal cargo]

Hm.. Do you think that Wildfire also makes sense on a gun Psyker build?

[analog solstice]

kk

[upper galleon]

No

But!

You can go blazing spirit trauma or void staff

[analog solstice]

wasnt lucky enough to choose the perks i wanted but this should be pretty good still

[upper galleon]

And both are great

[spice veldt]

it affects both yeah

[upper galleon]

Elites is fine enough

[spice veldt]

the perks on your currently held weapon affects DoTs (burn/soulblaze/bleed)

[analog solstice]

i see, thanks

[eternal cargo]

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen Blazing Spirit for Trauma or Voidstrike. Quite a shame.

[upper galleon]

Tldr I'm following the logic of the Dot. Unyielding and maniacs are enemy types you will deal significant damage to and also not be vaporized instantly anyways. Flak would be okay to use but loses some of it's value cause they take less damage from soulblaze already

[analog solstice]

Is it usually better to use purgatus over brain burst on monstrosities? Im relatively fresh when it comes to psyker

[spice veldt]

they reverted the nerf to flak for soulblaze to a degree, so it deals 1.5x damage to flak instead of the period where it was nerfed to 1.0x

[upper galleon]

I have and it absolutely dominates but needs a specific build

[analog solstice]

I feel like brain burst usually does more damage but might be my eyes deceiving me since its dot dmg

[upper galleon]

You build up stacks of flamer then swap to BB

Max stacks is 16

[spice veldt]

prob a mix of both, but purely brain burst will beat out purely purgatus on plogryn/beast of nurgle/chaos spawn

[analog solstice]

Alright, ill try and mix them

[spice veldt]

it didn't used to be this case, but they buffed the hitzone damage that the plogryn/bonbon took to their weakspots

[analog solstice]

Beast is such a joke lol

[upper galleon]

And you can test what your maximum dot value is in psykanium, and if you have the damage number mods you can swap back and forth as needed

Beast is a joke until it spawns in some terrible spot where it's nearly impossible to flank

Which is like, 1% of the time sadly

[analog solstice]

On my main, zealot a chastise + bolter mag dump on the pimple melts it so fast

[upper galleon]

I've seen both blazing spirit trauma and void strike, likely they also had max out warp nexus and crit chance perk for consistency

[eternal cargo]

On a slightly related note, I wish Voidstrike would get a slight buff for the sake of consistency.

Mine is only 90% perfect but it still feels like it's just shy of being in a good position.

[spice veldt]

prob a bump to some of its numbers

but I think the core design of the weapon is problematic

it's a 6 cleave weapon with no damage falloff for each target hit

in exchange for having moderately high cleave and no damage falloff, it has a fairly moderate damage/low fire rate

and these just aren't great attributes for a ranged weapon especially at the higher difficulties

maybe increasing the damage of the outer explosion

[eternal cargo]

A more damaging explosion and some more direct damage would definitely help alleviate some of my concerns with the weapon.
Same goes for the Rumbler, kinda.

[lunar hollow]

the way to make the voidstrike better is to delete it i hate that fucking thing

[spice veldt]

+200% brightness on termination

[lunar hollow]

[spice veldt]

reducing the charge time as well

[analog solstice]

voidstrike feels really good to use, purgatus feels a lot stronger though

[spice veldt]

what infinite cleave does to a mf

[analog solstice]

launching those fireballs down packed corridors had such a meaty crunch

[eternal cargo]

In terms of power level I personally rate them as following:
Purgatus > Trauma > Voidstrike / Surge
None of them bad, but you definitely notice the shortcomings in the long run.

[spice veldt]

yeah voidstrike/surge are also at the bottom for me

surge coming out ahead because it has a target limit instead of a cleave limit, making it more useful against enemies with >1 hitmass

though I do not like the non-deterministic targeting at all

pub psykers who use it also irritate me, so that docks a point off for it

[analog solstice]

without the wildfier feat purgatus would probably be in line with the others or probably weaker

[spice veldt]

nah

wildfire isn't even really needed for purg

infinite cleave means that it's not stopping for any elite or whatnot that's inside a horde

unlike the voidstrike RMB which gets stopped by a single scab rager even when fully charged

[upper galleon]

Surge is just shit cause the players are shit

[whole oxide]

nurgles blessing completely invalidates surge :/

[upper galleon]

Also if it had it's unique tier 3 blessing that was in the data but not available

Which gave it double lightning on crit

Not really, you just need to charge longer and keep shocking (and know when to pull out Illisi)

They aren't immune to stagger, they just need more of it but you shouldn't use surge as a sole cc option

It is good vs shooters, since you can shock them without LoS and it chains through cover/terrain, just distance

[eternal cargo]

The target limit and inability to properly choose your targets is a big drawback the more enemies get piled onto you, though.

[upper galleon]

Yee

Running it properly makes you more of an illisi build

[spice veldt]

it's also problematic that, when I think of bringing the surge, I also just ask myself why I don't just bring a gun

[upper galleon]

Than a surge build

You don't want to be that surge psyker your melee teammates hate

[spice veldt]

me on my way to block every surge psyker that i meet

[upper galleon]

Wait till ragers and bulwarks are close enough so your melee doesn't have go out of position

[eternal cargo]

What I loved the most about Surge Psykers is when I was in position to push a Poxburster, only for the Surge Psyker to push the Poxburster away, before it ignites.. "Now what?" I think to myself as I stand there either waiting for the Poxburster to get back up, or waste ammo on killing it.

[gloomy gulch]

this is fine right lol

[spice veldt]

or straight up attempted murder on you with a poxburster

because they're standing opposite of you, and they decide to surge a burster between the both of you

[spice veldt]

Damage is my biggest priority among the stats that affect damage cuz it affects the damage dealt to all targets

[lunar hollow]

hi yes hello i was called upon

https://streamable.com/4929yi

[spice veldt]

I personally wouldn't use it, but if it's your only illisi with good warp res, then sure

[lunar hollow]

i had attempted assassinations performed on me many times before i finally broke and became what i am today (the victim of arco's evil deeds)

[spice veldt]

surge psyker see enemy GO

[gloomy gulch]

nah I have one with a dump in first target that is fun and has 80 warp resist

[spice veldt]

shut up

[lunar hollow]

❤️

[spice veldt]

yeah i'd prefer the one that dumps first target (because it only affects the first target, and the whole illisi bug)

the damage scaling on Damage and First Target are the same, in that they scale the damage by 1.0x to 1.4x

so a 60/80 dmg/firsttarget force sword is going to deal the same damage to the first target hit as an 80/60 dmg/firsttarget force sword (for illisi's normal attacks)

or when they surge a bunch of dogs/mutants far away

I just leave them and/or the other teammates when that happens now instead of jogging my ass to them

[gloomy gulch]

yeah it feels really good

[spice veldt]

since I also don't trust them to be good on their peril and know to quell from 100% to spam the surge continuously

[gloomy gulch]

been trying to roll one iwth flak an maniac tho

[spice veldt]

yeah that's insanely painful

[upper galleon]

The psyker is supposed to BB it

[gloomy gulch]

I have flak and like carapace

which is alright I guess

[spice veldt]

i've been trying to get some upgrades to my current illisi and none of them have been getting flak/maniac (along with my desired blessings)

[upper galleon]

but yea that's another surge psyker gripe where they WON't STOP USING THE STAFF

[spice veldt]

i think i've only met a single surge psyker on NA west who had more melee damage than their ranged damage

[upper galleon]

if you want the cc utility in this game you have to constantly use damage cause damage is always the most important thing in this game AND FUCK i hate how some players dont see this and go like "but i'm cc'ing!"

[lunar hollow]

probably because you execute all of them when theyre born

[spice veldt]

tru

[upper galleon]

me to, there was one legendary surge psyker and without him, I would probably be against the staff entirely

but he opened my eyes to the light, that, like most veteran players, there is simply a skill issue

[eternal cargo]

I love Psykers that just spam into poxwalker hordes
"I'm helping!"

[gloomy gulch]

I have been using hte Rashad with my surge and it has been good lol

[spice veldt]

and ultimately being a detriment because they're occasionally preventing enemies from grouping up

for my 20 cleave illisi

[gloomy gulch]

everytime I use my rashad though it becomes my main weapon...

[eternal cargo]

I mean, in most cases you should stick to melee, regardless of class.
You should only really switch to your ranged weapon if you A: don't have ammo concerns or B: can't safely deal with the target with melee weapons.

[gloomy gulch]

half way through the match Im like oh yeah I have a staff

[spice veldt]

same

i have a habit of avoiding my trauma because I don't want to troll with the stagger

though that's been biting me in the butt with regards to specials

an argument could be made for vet because of their insane ammo economy

and esp if they're running the autopistol

i know that Darcy just runs out with the autopistol for 90% of the match and doesn't run much out of ammo

[velvet stratus]

Not a dueling sword

[thorn cedar]

It's unfortunate how a Veteran completely trivializes ammo economy/scarcity. It's one of the things I see people fail at most often.

You should not be dumping your Brauto into a Mutant that's three feet from you and doing squats.

[whole oxide]

pretty absurd how on the maelstrom with no ammo pickups, vets can still magdump everything and not run out

[thorn cedar]

They scale with more elites/specialists so it's not absurd in that sense. But their passive is already 1% rounding up, so balance is hard.

Wish they'd just give them a new coherency passive and adjust ammo drops on the map.

Cause yeah, some players are really good ... unless the team has no Veteran.

[spice veldt]

even the +40% reserve ammo is pretty good already

[whole oxide]

without it, alot of other weapons become garbage

[spice veldt]

since that's also +40% ammo on pickups

[whole oxide]

ofc you could rebalance them to account for no vet passive, but, that'd require doing something

[thorn cedar]

This isn't a new problem anyway. Ranger Bardin was the same in VT2, but ranged economy was very different.

An ammo pack was a static map object with bottomless reusage and was not broken. That same thing here would very much be lol

[eternal cargo]

Ammo usage is definitely way higher in Darktide. But that also makes a Veteran so important to have in a lot of situations.
I'd honestly be fine if they replaced the ammo regen with something else, to make it easier to balance ammo pickups and bang per buck.
Like, a Rumbler is only really worth bringing if you have a Veteran on the team.

[onyx lotus]

I tried deimos/autopistol psyker for the first time last night. That was a wild experience. Still not sure if I like it.

Its the one build I've run into so far where I feel like I really should rebind my keys.

[lyric burrow]

i had a game last night where like 90% of my kills were in melee cause im trying to melee more

[lyric burrow]

i thought you had a perfect illisi

[eternal cargo]

I need to get myself a perfect Illisi
I have a near-perfect Deimos but not an Illisi, still shreds though

[lyric burrow]

Im the opposite where i spent a million gold and like 15k plasteel to get my perfect illisi but still cant get a perfect deimos

[plucky flax]

You got a good illisi now?

[plucky flax]

Try autopistol with illisi. Better horde clear since you'll be using melee a lot more.

[thorn cedar]

Gross. Cat caught a cicada and started cronching on it.

[onyx lotus]

Fair nuff. I was more just struggling to figure out what best to use where. I watched the vid (and update vid) about it. Just hard to do under pressure.

[thorn cedar]

I say caught but it flew into my chest and basically fell into her mouth.

[thorn cedar]

Google says it's generally ok if she eats it but I would rather not lol

[strong gulch]

Definitely caught.

[thorn cedar]

She's definitely pleased with herself.

[plucky flax]

Rip warp resistance.

And low damage mod D:

[onyx lotus]

Am I mistaken that you want low warp res to keep peril up?

[plucky flax]

No you spam specials so you want it high.

[thorn cedar]

Not mistaken but it's preference.

[eternal cargo]

Delicious

[strong gulch]

Depends on build and how you play with warp resistance.

[eternal cargo]

My cat caught a moth some weeks ago and played around with it before it cronched.

..He plays too much with his food.

[thorn cedar]

I wouldn't mind her doing so if she wasn't adamant about bringing it inside

[strong gulch]

For special spam, you for sure want high resist.

[thorn cedar]

I ain't allowing that lmao

[strong gulch]

fluffy little bug eaters

[astral junco]

hi quick question does the malleus mostronum penance also work on weak monsters?

[thorn cedar]

Absolute terror.

[strong gulch]

Hello lil monster

[eternal cargo]

My cat is an absolute careful scaredy cat that doesn't want to leave the safety of his home, and I'm all in favor of that

But he's also a little shit who wants to play too damn much

[lyric burrow]

yeah damage is slightly unfort and i want low warp resistance cause i like to be high peril

but with this game ill take that lol

[magic hull]

is deflector on this thing even worth it

[gloomy gulch]

flak or maniac

fire sword mark 2

actually I guess I should replace the 10% with crit chance

[strong gulch]

That's what I would do tbh. You can always change it later too.

[strong gulch]

Deflector is a preference thing. It has a lot of utility and gives you some forgiveness when you're position is bad.

If you don't need it because you have consistently good positioning and i-frame use, then you're probably better off with a damage blessing.

[spice veldt]

if i said that, then it was probably propaganda

[brazen warren]

i got deflector as a base blessing before the update, so while i would prefer a damage blessing to pair with slaughter it is still quite solid

[magic hull]

which is the most sought after upgrades?

[strong gulch]

For me on psyker knife, blessings are Lacerate + Mercy Killer.

You don't get bleed or increased crit chance from feats and you have anti armor options with BB or CC from staves.

Plus WU and warp charges affects dots.

I also like maniac because of mutants.

[lyric burrow]

@spice veldt do you know the difference between a 71% damage roll on an illisi and 80%? I can check the damage values in the weapon breakdown and it doesnt seem like a huge deal but idk if im missing any breakpoints/if the damage is calculated in a way where 146 heavy attack damage vs 148 actually matters

cause i know some things scale harder than others even with a difference of 9%

[urban hearth]

give the devils claw lacerate fat shark

[strong gulch]

give us fire knife too

[spice veldt]

the one thing that might matter is the situation where you have unstable power and are trying to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage

besides that, it prob doesn't matter besides requiring less peril for some things

[lyric burrow]

ok cool

ty

[spice veldt]

i've recently run into a situation where being able to more consistently two-shot mutants would've been nice, so there's that

though I'm not sure if any extra dmg would've helped there

[lyric burrow]

i think i generally can with t4 unstable and +25 maniac if i headshot

heres the weapon in question if it matters

obv slaughterer makes it matter less

[spice veldt]

my current force sword has t3 unstable and is missing some desired stats

[lyric burrow]

ah ok

[spice veldt]

i dumped all of my money into traumas and got nothing in return

[lyric burrow]

yeah might need to be at some specific spots to 2 shot

[spice veldt]

so now i'm dumping my money into illisis

[lyric burrow]

yeah ive been dumping into deimos now that i finally got a good illisi

need to get a good trauma too

mines pretty meh

[spice veldt]

dis is what i'm using

[lyric burrow]

not bad

[spice veldt]

yeah pretty good

i mainly picked it for the high warp res

but man am I itching for a bit more damage for those damn mutants

[lyric burrow]

25 maniac might be screwing you over on those mutants yeah

i am a low warp res degen

[spice veldt]

tsk

tsk

tsk

[lyric burrow]

i must be at 100 peril at all times

also i fucking hate the surge staff

daily psa

ik it can be good but i never know when you use it cause it would either stun stuff out of position or i could just melee the problem in question and kill it

like i fundamentally dont understand

[spice veldt]

or bring a gun

[lyric burrow]

yeah or that

or trauma

i hate being asked to bring surge idk what im doing with it 😭

[spice veldt]

people ask you to bring surge in games?

good thing i'm not matched with these people

i have an idea of what to do but i don't feel like using it at all

[lyric burrow]

i got one today cause we got a bunch of psykers in a lobby and shockingly enough i just melee'd the whole time then when we wiped he said to use it more

like

he was probably right

[lunar hollow]

tell them no

if they further annoy you find a way to kill them in game

[lyric burrow]

but we also got all unarmored enemies and i think i would have hit the target limit anyway

[spice veldt]

yeah there are some situations where surge has nice delaying power

[lyric burrow]

yeah i should probably just not use it or practice it

[spice veldt]

but DPS checking enemies with melee works surprisingly well

[lyric burrow]

i do think it has its uses

but psyker melee is so cracked i just dont use it

[willow escarp]

i never use surge but whenever someone else shows up with it things feel pretty ez

[lyric burrow]

if they know what they are doing then yeah you can kinda just sprint into everything

[spice veldt]

i'm a melee psyker so i get tilted off the face of the earth whenever i encounter a bad surge psyker (99.99% of all surge psykers)

[lyric burrow]

if they dont it actively makes the match harder

i do not want to run across the map to melee my enemy

[willow escarp]

usually am using trauma as psyker, combined with someone spamming surge feels real safe

[spice veldt]

i'm pretty sure that I have half of all the psykers on NA west blocked

[lyric burrow]

i havent blocked anyone yet

maybe one day

but yeah i also melee a lot

i think psykers could abuse it more generally

[lyric burrow]

i dont think im NA west but you probably have me blocked before i just started meleeing more i would do the trauma in someones face thing

[spice veldt]

probably

[lyric burrow]

i wouldnt send enemies behind them or anything but i probably blinded them lol

i did not realize it would blind people at first

[zealous sierra]

Someone called me noob for using trauma staff

[willow escarp]

I used to worry about that with purge

[zealous sierra]

🥲

[spice veldt]

yeah that's another reason why I don't like using the trauma in most situations

blinding and stagger

[willow escarp]

but then whenever I’m not psyker or using a staff it never bothers me because it’s killing or ccing everything near me anyways lol

[spice veldt]

i have my bloom off and my graphics settings set to potato, so it's not that bad for me personally

but I know that some people will get absolutely flashbanged

[lyric burrow]

yeah i def stopped doing it now

[thorn cedar]

ugh, bloom

[zealous sierra]

Turn off gibs depending

Cause blood mists are blinding

[zealous sierra]

Hey u

[spice veldt]

trauma/void's stagger can get annoying because it'll spread enemies around and lower their density

[thorn cedar]

wot

[zealous sierra]

#psyker-class message

Please gib advice 🙏

[spice veldt]

the one you have currently equipped looks good

[zealous sierra]

I love trauma in a corridor

[spice veldt]

unless you want a lower warp res for queititude and whatnot

[thorn cedar]

wish i had better advice cause yea

i am still doing testing with low warp res. IF I COULD GET SOME.

[zealous sierra]

Gotta either sacrifice that warp flurry 4 from either staff or transfer peril

[spice veldt]

o

[thorn cedar]

the weird issue i have with void is that i cant actually build any fuckin peril up with Transfer Peril since it's so efficient

[zealous sierra]

Try spamming an Ilisi

[thorn cedar]

i would put a transfer peril of any level on that one

yea but like, without switching off of anything

yknow

ideally i'd like to be able to stay above 50% with consistency

[zealous sierra]

O

[thorn cedar]

cause yea my builds use Warp Unleashed or Kinetic Shield or both so not being able to keep my peril high kinda hurts

it's a weird complaint to have, that my staff is killing everything in a straight line too efficiently

but when one shooter shatters your toughness it's a real issue

[zealous sierra]

I keep forgetting what kinetic shield is

[thorn cedar]

10-33% toughness res

[zealous sierra]

Never touched it

[lusty nymph]

got this beaut today

[thorn cedar]

Toughness Value + (Toughness Value x (1 ÷ (1 - Toughness Damage Resist) - 1))

[zealous sierra]

F

[zealous sierra]

So...1.33-1

Probably failed math

[thorn cedar]

yea i put that in the wrong place but have a free formula

shit i got demolished by math

straight up stopped taking it after grade 9

[spice veldt]

if you have 166 toughness, 33% DR means that you have 247 effective toughness

[thorn cedar]

ye

[spice veldt]

with the caveat that you only get that at 100% peril

but it's still pretty neat

[thorn cedar]

even the base 10% for locking in the feat is pretty big

and if we just assume 50% peril to make things easy, it's substantial

[zealous sierra]

Psy only has 100 toughness right?

Then that 1.25 extra dmg for sprinting

[spice veldt]

ye 100 base

+17% toughness as the main perk, then 5% as the side perk; then multiply that by 3 to get +66% toughness

[thorn cedar]

so at its worst it's giving you 11 extra toughness

[zealous sierra]

I go for brain dead option

Deflector

[thorn cedar]

that is the brain dead option imo

just set it and forget it

dont overthink the extra from peril

[zealous sierra]

I would do it only for vet

200% toughness funni

332 toughness is pog

Gunna go try it

[thorn cedar]

with just 17% toughness from a curio you're at anywhere from 130 to 174 toughness

and that covers pretty much all the important breakpoints

[harsh urchin]

Its not very good to go all in on one stat generally

[thorn cedar]

yeah i am always sadge at the sight of a 300+ toughness Vet

[harsh urchin]

The stuff that punches through toughness will still do the same

[thorn cedar]

they eat one burster and they're on the edge of death

[harsh urchin]

On vet i actually think its better to go hp/hp/toughness

[thorn cedar]

i used to do H/H/S

[harsh urchin]

Allowing you to hit the breakpoint for snipers

[zealous sierra]

I still remember doing aura first day

[thorn cedar]

now i just do H/H/H

[zealous sierra]

8 bursted fucked my teammates

[spice veldt]

oh yeah, and the equation can be simplified into the top one

[thorn cedar]

what's 166 tho

your toughness?

[spice veldt]

ye

0.33 being the DR

[zealous sierra]

Wait really?

[thorn cedar]

damn u rite

i really wish i kept up with math

oh well, ill jsut keep smokin this weed

[zealous sierra]

Without sniper resist?

[harsh urchin]

Yes you either have to eat all the dmg to toughness

Or toughness breaks and it does full hp dmg

[cyan notch]

[thorn cedar]

Vet with UF is at 800 Toughness by default

[zealous sierra]

I know that much, just didn't know how much toughness needed for sniper

[thorn cedar]

1225 iirc

[harsh urchin]

196 with UF and 2x resist, so you generally want to get a slightly more than 200 for buffer

And pump rest of your stats into hp

For general tankiness against other stuff

[thorn cedar]

i always laugh when a toughness stacked vet loses 1/4 of their entire HP to three ticks of a fire barrel

[ornate hamlet]

What is UF

[harsh urchin]

University of Florida

[thorn cedar]

unwavering focus

... of Florida

[ornate hamlet]

Lmao

[zealous sierra]

75% reduction during volley fire on vet

[ornate hamlet]

I forgot if i got thwt active or not

[zealous sierra]

I never run that nowadays since I only use boltgun or a revolver

[ornate hamlet]

Do u guys queue public lobbies to do maelstroms

[zealous sierra]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

Works sometimes

[zealous sierra]

Seen so many people < true level 50

[ornate hamlet]

Wdym level 50

U mean 30?

[zealous sierra]

True level mod

[ornate hamlet]

Ah

[zealous sierra]

Helps gauge how stacked that character is

[ornate hamlet]

Do u count the default 30 + the test

Rest

im around level 86 on my vet after the upsate

No

96 i think

[zealous sierra]

Yes

Pain

[ornate hamlet]

Do u wanna run some in a bit i always play woth ramdoms never actualy join a strike team

And i have no idea how good i am at the game

[zealous sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1138138420447813653/Screenshot_2317.png

40 mins

[zealous sierra]

Can always join one of the vc here

[ornate hamlet]

Damn how much hve u played 500 special conditions

[ornate hamlet]

Yea but i dont play wirh vc so thats why

I use speakers

[zealous sierra]

And?

Just mute urself in vc

[ornate hamlet]

Yea and the people talking just distracts me

[zealous sierra]

Well coordination is important

Having someone call out their being dogged while I'm busy does help me to help them

[ornate hamlet]

True that

[whole oxide]

if voice-comms wasn't 95% russians screaming and snorting, i might unmute it

[plucky flax]

When I play in a strike team it's no vc strike team.

[ornate hamlet]

Fr

[thorn cedar]

I never turn it on

Pretty much nothing anybody says isn't already said to me by the sound design.

But if I do turn it on I'm sure to hear a whole lot of useless shit that'll make me miss important sound cues, even if what's said is intended to be useful.

[steel flame]

Should I replace Riposte with something? Or get a better perk?

[thorn cedar]

The rest is game sense that comes with practice and not being stubborn. It's way better to be in the wrong place with your team than in the right place alone, for example.

So there's no need for me to listen to some dude roleplay being an Overwatch shot caller.

[lyric burrow]

riposte with unstable or deflector

although tbh you screwed in some way no matter what you probably wanna just re roll it

unless you only care about blessings being perfect

[steel flame]

I only really care about blessings, Im probably not gonna use this for anything except mobbing trash enemies or using the special

[lyric burrow]

then unstable/deflector over riposte

[plucky flax]

Mfw I'm alive alone and 3 guys together die.
#zealot-class message

[thorn cedar]

Yea that happens lol. Usually not tho

[steel flame]

isnt unstable only a +5 power?

Or does it go up like the other one with the staffs?

[spice veldt]

ye like warp nexus except with power%

[steel flame]

nice

ty

[fresh reef]

disconnect
attempt reconnect
crash

awesome

[ornate hamlet]

How do u get lightning as a psycher

[steel flame]

The surge staff

[ornate hamlet]

Ty

[harsh salmon]

how do these work if you have full stacks?

[thorn cedar]

first one will always trigger when one is gained, even if you're maxed. second one, nothing happens.

when you're maxed out it will refresh the duration of your stacks

[broken carbon]

doesn’t it just refresh your

yeah

[harsh salmon]

ah so when PC procs at full stacks EH doesnt

sad

[broken carbon]

combined you’ll still get the essence harvest though

[broken carbon]

no it will#l

[thorn cedar]

it will, yeah

[harsh salmon]

oh cool

okay

[broken carbon]

i just realized that’s what you were asking lol

[harsh salmon]

i cant read XD

is it worth it over the other sustain options?

[thorn cedar]

uhhh.

psyker is sort of hard to evaluate because they're all pretty valid depending on how you spec.

just try things out and see what seems to be working for you the most often/at the right times

[broken carbon]

they’re all good, depends on how you play and your loadout

personally i only ever use the toughness on warp attacks

[thorn cedar]

imo Quietude > Warp > Essence, but even then, very loadout dependent.

and none are bad, strictly

[meager plinth]

experiment and get a feel with em for each builds

[hidden crystal]

Even as a gun psyker I've started using quietitude these days; If essence stacked (either simultaneously or consecutively), it'd be a bit more interesting, but trying to recover large amounts of toughness with it is impractical.

[nova locust]

Ok, so force sword push uses stamina before peril. Even spamming it, I found it difficult to get to Peril usage. UNLESS you have max peril, in which case it makes you go pop, no matter what. Is this a bug or typical chunkytuna behavior to magic users? (haven't played the VT's, so I've only heard about this supposed slight)

[strong gulch]

FS push uses stamina. Push attack build peril.

They are two different things, but it's easy to hold a push just a little too long that triggeres a push attack that can explode you if you're at 100% peril.

[nova locust]

Yeah, I see the little gap now. It doesn't use peril if you don't hit anything, which can also happen if the first push knocks them far enough away. Made me think it was buggy with it's proc.

[strong gulch]

Valid.

I don't mind warp resistance being low, but this is too low.

Hadron is trolling. Please save this from being a meme.

Too be continued...

[wheat wren]

Any viability in using the voidstrike staff?

[strong gulch]

Sure. All stave are viable.

Some really enjoy it, but it's not my thing. It feels lacking to me in terms of CC or dealing with high threat targets.

[lyric burrow]

Its not the best staff by any means but its fine

[wheat wren]

Still a blue so I need to upgrade it but was asking due to this.

It looks decent enough.

[ionic shadow]

yes void strike is the best

[ionic shadow]

pump that dmg number up bby

no need 4 quell speed if you have transfer peril

[spice veldt]

no

[autumn smelt]

every staff has their own strengths and weaknesses, voidstrike has the furthest range, and can absolutely decimate a horde from range, and put the hurt of elites if youre accurate with projectiles

[ionic shadow]

in my personal opionion i know the fire staff is the like meta one

[autumn smelt]

but once the horde is next to you, youll have a harder time being able to use it as often without having to swap to your melee

[autumn smelt]

the purgatus is the easiest one to use

[ionic shadow]

i cast explosion at my feel

feet

[autumn smelt]

wouldnt the trauma staff do that more effectively?

[ionic shadow]

and they all cower for a moment so i can keep full charge blasting fools

i hate the trauma staff cause its weird positioning or what ever

it feels like such a hassle to use

[spice veldt]

trauma is my pick for the best generalist

once you get used to the aiming system and figuring out the spots where it's easier to aim it, I find it fine

[autumn smelt]

i feel the same way about the trauma staff, but for feet blasting, it definitely would be the stronger pick

[spice veldt]

trauma beats the void through the sheer fact that it has infinite cleave and the voidstrike does not

[ionic shadow]

ideally youd never let them get close enough

[spice veldt]

sometimes the team doesn't have enough DPS

[ionic shadow]

but in a pinch it works fine

[spice veldt]

in which case the delaying power of Trauma is very well appreciated

and dealing significantly more damage to a mixed horde than the voidstrike ever will

[ionic shadow]

ive got no clue what infinite cleave is btw

[autumn smelt]

accounting only for ideals is a weird way to play a game where everything goes wrong all the time lol

[spice veldt]

basically means that it will hit through any amount of targets

[ionic shadow]

it just aim for heads and the voidstrike goes through the horde

[spice veldt]

voidstrike's RMB has 6 cleave when fully charged, and Scab Ragers have 6 hitmass, so a single scab rager will stop the projectile completely

[ionic shadow]

im saying it dosent happen often enough to pick the trauma staff

[ionic shadow]

interesting

im learning

[autumn smelt]

and its stagger radius is HUGE

[ionic shadow]

i still dislike the trauma staffs rmb placement thing

[autumn smelt]

like way larger than the actual circle iirc

[spice veldt]

yeah the targeting system sucks

[ionic shadow]

i think thats most important

[autumn smelt]

that honestly is the main reason why i dont use it

[spice veldt]

though my only gripe is because of the fact that the "width" of the targeting thingy is infinitesimally small

[ionic shadow]

yep

[spice veldt]

but you can occasionally finesse it

[autumn smelt]

but also because i like to not aim so i surge and purge lol

[ionic shadow]

that sounds fun

i like the big boom from the void strike

makes it feel more powerfull

[spice veldt]

for example, you don't need to care about positioning if you have the trauma https://streamable.com/ystp72

[autumn smelt]

shit like this is why i make sure i have a good staff of each

even if its not my favorite, all the staves are just so unique

[spice veldt]

it also means that you can afford to give up stamina/kinetic deflection to get revives off during a horde

[ionic shadow]

interesting

[autumn smelt]

and have such unique interactions with the game as a whole

[ionic shadow]

i didnt realize that worked like that

[autumn smelt]

instead of "how fast gun fire bullet for thing to die" like most other weapons

[spice veldt]

yeah it's certainly more interesting than most guns

[ionic shadow]

i hate that all the staffs have the same M1

[spice veldt]

though it might've been for balancing purposes or limited time that the other human classes don't have explosive weapons

[autumn smelt]

purg doesnt

[ionic shadow]

like add some variitey

[autumn smelt]

it has a quick blaze

[ionic shadow]

its mid but betterthan the rest

[autumn smelt]

which is enough to stagger p much any non elite

[spice veldt]

yeah the staff bolt is nice for stagger, but I also want to do single-target damage occasionally

and without it being a horrible projectile

you have the initial delay on cast + ping + projectile travel time

[autumn smelt]

its great for a quick puff in their face for a stagger before you slice their head off

[autumn smelt]

i feel like its most useful on the surge staff vs the others

it fills in that damage profile that surge lacks

even if it isnt the best

so you can stun say a trapper or a mutie and then go to town on their head with light shots from a distance

[nova locust]

The thing everyone leaves out about the void stopping on a rager is that that means the bolt explodes, staggering the rager and anyone in arms reach of him.

Also the cracked rapid fire mode

[spice veldt]

yeah, it staggers them

it also deals almost no damage to them

and charging the voidstrike's RMB scales both the damage and cleave

so it's not as good as it sounds unless you're running a blazing spirit build on iut

[nova locust]

I've switched to surge n support thanks to y'all telling me not to have fun, but I certainly wasn't having problems when I loved the void.

[whole oxide]

its the least useful staff stagger, its too short to follow up with anything, all you can do is RMB it again, and again, until after 20 hits you've killed it

[spice veldt]

e.g., if you're spamming the void from a min charge, you'll deal somewhere in the ballpark of 50-60 damage per shot (with an 80% damage staff)

[spice veldt]

i mean you can use it

i'm not saying that you can't use it

i'm just saying that i would put it at the bottom of the list in terms of strength

it has its appeal to newer players in the form of the range and suppression against ranged patrols

but those strengths are significantly less appealing if you're comfortable with the movement

[wheat wren]

How is purge the meta? Surge is fantastic. Isn’t our main role cc and horde clear? Surge can do both and has a great stun

[spice veldt]

surge's hordeclear is terrible

[ornate hamlet]

Lmao don’t go around zapping hordes

[wheat wren]

Wait what

[whole oxide]

its an interesting thing how perceived strength changes as you go up the difficulty levels, even just between regular HIT5 and Auric Maelstrom there's a big difference

[spice veldt]

here's the damage breakdown for the surge's RMB

note the extremely low damage on Unarmoured and Infested

[wheat wren]

Oh Jesus

[spice veldt]

it also only targets 5-10 enemies per cast

and those numbers are for a full charge

[wheat wren]

I assumed that the stun would’ve made it worth

[autumn smelt]

it FUCKS those scabs right up tho

[spice veldt]

the surge has one of the slower charges, requiring 1.98 seconds to fully charge with an 80% charge rate staff

for reference, the voidstrike requires 1.66s and the trauma 1.3s at 80% charge rate

[autumn smelt]

i typically notice a few scabs at the start of a horde and i surge those guys before getting a stun on the frontline of walkers to give me time to charge my illisi then get into the fray

[spice veldt]

though at the same time, I'd just want to use my illisi just to build slaughterer stacks first

[autumn smelt]

cuz surging a horde is just a terrible idea like 90% of the time

[autumn smelt]

in a horde tho, wouldnt 1 charged swing p much give you max stacks?

[wheat wren]

So then the stun doesn’t make up for it

[spice veldt]

slaughterer has this weird thing where it doesn't actually give you stacks proportional to the amount of enemies you kill

[whole oxide]

there really aren't any designated roles per class. you can make a role for yourself from a particular combination of weapons/feats, but theres nothing that says "you are class X therefore your role is Y"

[spice veldt]

the stun is a lot more useful in hishock for the main purpose of staggering specialists (specifically mutants)

[autumn smelt]

the only time i can think of it possibly being worth it is if everyone, including you, has single target weapons, and cant deal with a horde quickly cuz of it

[spice veldt]

but against elite patrols, Trauma is the better generalist

and even against specials, trauma is fine

surge works, but it's not something I would use because of how fairly specialized it is

[autumn smelt]

this is what caused me to pick it up too, and i cant imagine running hi-shock or a mutant or pox maelstrom without it now

[wheat wren]

Shit. I’m gonna have to try purge then. Surge has been working pretty well for me at stopping hordes so that my team mates can clear. I’ll see how big of a difference it becomes

[whole oxide]

even on pox maelstrom, trauma is more useful. surge can't deal with a line of bursters if there's just a few poxwalkers in the way

[autumn smelt]

massive

absolutely night and day

[spice veldt]

yeah, the other advantage of purgatus is that it has infinite cleave

[autumn smelt]

purg imo is quite possibly the best horde clearing weapon in the entire game across all classes

[spice veldt]

so if there's an elite that's not a shielded bulwark, then it's going to spread soulblaze to everything near you

[autumn smelt]

one thing ive also noticed, is that during a bulwarks swing, he gets ticked enough with purg that he staggers, and that opens up the cleave to pass through him on top of damaging him a bit more

honestly youd be surprised how many elites and specialists in general get staggered by just a few ticks of soulblaze

[spice veldt]

yeah, the purg also has its LMB

[autumn smelt]

like dogs, flamers, and trappers can be stunned and quickly burned to a crisp even in a horde if you target most of your flames their way

can you tell most of my playtime is with this staff yet

[spice veldt]

purg/flamer is also not as chaotic beyond being a flashbang if your teammates have Bloom turned off

it's not like the trauma where it'll throw maulers around, fucking up the aim of all of your teammates

[whole oxide]

the issue i have with purgatus, is that the situations in which its really good, are generally not the situations where the team is liable to wipe

[spice veldt]

it depends, since purg can deal with ragers/maulers, leaving the crushers/bulwarks to be cleaned up

pushing a map with it can be painful, which is why I don't run it

[autumn smelt]

thats why i pair it with feats like these

psykinetic wrath allows me to just have a massive fuck you button for specialists, which is the main reason shit goes wrong

[spice veldt]

it's one of those staffs that I would only ever run in a premade

[autumn smelt]

also another thing would be that while hordes arent really that hard, they can take up a decent chunk of time if you dont have a way to deal with them quickly, which can be what causes the issues to arise like a trapper you couldnt hit cuz of the 30 poxwalkers between the two of you netting you and getting downed 3 seconds later

having a weapon that decimates hordes ultra quick helps by removing that hindrance asap

[spice veldt]

yeah things can get sketchy if there's even a few poxwalkers that block your movement

[autumn smelt]

ive been playing my zealot more, and trying to get decent with the thunderhammer, and the stray dude blocking a dodge or a path to the thing i want to hit has been extremely detrimental as ive been learning the weapon

[spice veldt]

esp when I'm trying to melee some specials and oh no I have dodged into some poxwalkers

[whole oxide]

nevermind poxwalkers

the number of times i've got caught by something due to 1 foot high box on the ground blocking dodge

[spice veldt]

or mutants rounding a random ass box

and then being unable to dodge it

[autumn smelt]

i just heard a vet say SCRIPTURES and an ogryn say MEDICAE STATION

im on the mourning star, i havent even played a mission yet

what

[lyric burrow]

im pretty sure the game is coded to make me get stuck on some random shit when i want to make space to get away from chaos spawns grab

[wheat wren]

Wrack and ruin vs warp unleashed for purg?

[autumn smelt]

warp unleashed

wrack and ruin requires not using the purgatus, and only adds 4 stacks

where warp unleashed buffs, your purg, your melee, your bb, everything

[wheat wren]

I fucking appreciate yall

[whole oxide]

wrack and ruin need kinetic barrage to work, but you're probably running ascendant blaze with purgatus

[spice veldt]

and Purg providing that infinite cleave option

[autumn smelt]

it actually is used to hit some breakpoints with bb, i believe its what causes you to 1 shot a poxburster with 4 warp charges on damnation

[autumn smelt]

ngl i cant stand ascendant blaze, i find it too hard to pass up both my warp charges and my quick specialist annihilator in the same go for a bit of extra fire

[whole oxide]

i generally prefer barrage, but AB is definitely nice to have up your sleeve too

wrack and ruin is really satisfying in a few very niche situations, and is otherwise mostly useless

they need to make it just trigger on any BB, not just elites

[spice veldt]

and if they need to balance it, reduce the amount of Soulblaze stacks given when hitting a non-elite

[whole oxide]

actually, though, thinking it through, you probably don't want to encourage people to BB literally everything

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[autumn smelt]

oh yeah, on the same note of soulblaze, wildfire with purgatus is also too minimal to be worth it compared to the other two options you have to choose from

kinetic flayer can both be a lifesaver when it brainbursts and instantly kills a rager or something that has you in a bad spot, as well as an easy way to consistently maintain full charges with the tickrate of the purg

[whole oxide]

make wrack and ruin 10 stacks, but, put it on the same 15s cooldown as Flayer

solved

[autumn smelt]

and 6 warp charges is just nice extra damage if you can maintain charges easily, or are using either of the charge consuming ults

[thorn cedar]

wrack is already pretty goddamn strong in its niche tbh

[whole oxide]

its strong for 1% of the mission

[autumn smelt]

i just find it too hard to justify giving up the other options

passing up, quite literally, free damage
or passing up a large amount of peril resist

[autumn smelt]

which affects every moment in the mission

i just loaded into the maelstrom with 3 surges and an ogryn

[whole oxide]

that right there is by far the biggest reason to not run surge

[autumn smelt]

its literally all modifiers that surge is good against

dogs, mutants, bursters

[spice veldt]

3 surges sounds painful

i hope your teammates know how to melee

[autumn smelt]

sounds like a fun challenge

[spice veldt]

i would prob leave if it took too long

[autumn smelt]

nvm none of them knew how to melee

[spice veldt]

i've never left a game until recently at the midevent of consignment yard, where two of my teammates were just sitting in the overhang and lasgunning

so I couldn't do an interrogator at all because they weren't fighting the horde away, besides one vet

so I just completely gave up on that team

I should've blocked the other two players

[autumn smelt]

when i first started and was a vet main, i would only do that if i was the only one doing it

[spice veldt]

yeah it was a lasgun vet and a lasgun zealot sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g

[autumn smelt]

if someone else was doing it i left elite killing to them and helped with the data thingie

[spice veldt]

i almost always rush to the interrogator because I don't trust any of my teammates to want to do it

even though I always run the trauma

I never leave that shit to to them or hope that they'll do it

[quick python]

Why even hang back as a zealot

I dont get it

[spice veldt]

and this was a hishock game, so I wasn't having any of it for the later sections

[prisma perch]

I've got a few different trauma staffs here and was just wondering if these other two might be worth using over my 380 one?

[spice veldt]

your current one seems to be the best among them

not having charge rate is generally painful, and losing warp res means that you won't be able to take advantage of warp flurry as much/requiring 3 ticks of quelling from 100% to get a full charge off

[lyric burrow]

3rd one is usable but tbh idk about that warp res

as arco said

[prisma perch]

okie dokie! thank you guys 🙂

[lyric burrow]

only staff i care about it on really

just cause it generates so much

[prisma perch]

yeah trauma is a peril beast for sure 😮

[spice veldt]

it's so painful to get my desired perks/blessings on a trauma that doesn't have my ideal stat distribution

[prisma perch]

I totally understand 😞 I just keep rolling them with all my ordos hoping to get an improvement! Still haven’t gotten t4 rending shockwave either..

[plucky flax]

Try making a good blaze trauma. That's especially painful.

This 'crafting update' is so shit its making me play the game less.

[lofty escarp]

For the perks what could I change cause I was thinking of saving one for nexus

[hollow current]

man, why can't the fetish collar on psyker be optional?

[plucky flax]

Both perks are super mid. I'd say change specialists to flak and slap nexus 4 on.

[lofty escarp]

aight thank you

trying to figure out how to fix this thing in the best way possible

[fresh reef]

they're failsafes for daemonic possession, basically

it's a lore thing

[steel sluice]

Beloved confirmed furry?

[fresh reef]

felinids
furry
heh

[zealous sierra]

Psychic Communion doesn't seem to work sometimes

[wise cave]

What is the best build to get "going out with a bang" as soon as possible?

[zealous sierra]

Trauma or Illisi spam

[near wyvern]

Nah, surge

You gun stun them while you explode so they don't kill you prematurely

[hollow flame]

isnt the "beloved" supposed to be the emps?

[spice veldt]

probably just probability

[zealous sierra]

Was a horrible rng then

[autumn igloo]

Surge staff perk 10% "crit hit" or "weak spot" damage pairing with crit chance?

[sterile vale]

Neither, surge staff's lightning doesn't hit weak spots and +crit damage usually only adds a marginal amount

Not entirely sure what's best for surge, my immediate thought would be either flak, carapace or maniac damage

[autumn igloo]

i usually run with flak, maniac on surge. kinda just try out other perks

[spice veldt]

power matrix monstrosity maelstrom

i sure hope that this map doesn't have a midevent with notoriously high special spawns

[gaunt flint]

i thought the surge staff chain lightning does hit weakspots because way back when the game first came out that's how i got my achievement serial killer, the one killing 20 consecutive headshots without trying, using the chain lightning. So I always asssumed it did

[sterile vale]

Hmm, maybe it did earlier, I've used it a chunk and never had that happen

[near wyvern]

IMO flak + maniac is the way

[hearty python]

did hadron just junk both my fresh Illisi swords, even with the updated crafting?

[steel sluice]

it's either a shard of the emperor's psyche or a daemon pretending to be him.

no one is sure which

afaik

[magic hull]

time for a space ninja purga psyker loadout, admittedly i dont even know what im doing.

[hidden crystal]

Or, for a more mundane explanation, they're just schizophrenic.

They spend the whole time thinking they're in a dream, so they've clearly not got the strongest grip on telling what's real and what isn't.

[hidden crystal]

I will admit that that is a favourite position for that map, as it's got good line of sight to two spawn areas where shooters otherwise get good cover, and it also means someone's up there with what's sometimes two interrogators.
(And in a playthrough I recorded recently, the single interrogator up there failed three times).

... but I will still eject myself from the window if there does seem to be a more hands-on issue.

[magic hull]

its a nice purge so far, cant think of ways to improve it further

[spice veldt]

i prefer to run into the shooter spawns since I don't trust the team to deal with them quickly

[grizzled iris]

You could get 80 cloud instead of dmg

And swap terrifying and level up the nexus

[spice veldt]

and I've had painful games where we just got bogged down, though that was also back when I didn't know about i-frames

[magic hull]

swap terri with what

[grizzled iris]

Run n gun since you seem to like the left click or get warp flurry

[magic hull]

fuck yeah

we do a bit of ninja

[quartz sky]

best feats for gun psyker?

I'm lvl 22 and I'm 1-1-1-1 atm

[whole oxide]

depending on how comfortable you are BBing/maintaining warp-charges, might want to change psychic communion to one of the other 2 traits, you're giving up a lot by not taking them just for the convenience of not BBing every 30s

although you'll probably only really notice the benefit of them once you unlock Flayer/Barrage, so, you're fine for now

[quartz sky]

I really don't like BBing all that much... especially because at Malice+ I noticed a lot of elites take 2 brain bursts to die

like, uprising keeping the stacks up is fine. Harder than that I'm essentially using BB on normal enemies

feels like a chore

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a utility weapon at best and I myself don't like warp charges being attached to it, but you get feats to help with it which Is whatever

[whole oxide]

it becomes easier once you get your L30 feats, so at that point I'd look to swap it out. On the harder Damnation modifiers, you'll definitely want either psykinetic aura or cerebral lacerations, there's so much stuff happening that upkeeping warp charges isn't going to be your main problem

[spice veldt]

you can sprint and thus sprint-slide to move faster while dunking on a random poxwalker

[hidden crystal]

At present, I run 311113. (Albeit with the somewhat uncommon combination of an MG12/Illisi)

While your current Essence Harvest/Psychic Communion combo might seem like a synergy to get toughness back out of gun kills, Essence Harvest doesn't stack (either consecutively or simultaneously) if you get multiple warp charges, it just resets the timer, so Essence Harvest struggles if you need to recover a large amount of toughness - even more so if you're relying on the randomness of Psychic Communion to provide those charges.

Quietitude works quite well in general, as it triggers on all forms of quelling - be it active, passive, Psykinetic's Wrath, Battle Meditation, etc - so as long as you make efforts to use a force sword's special or your brainburst every now and again such that you keep some peril built up, even the passive tick-rate of quelling gives you back a little toughness over time.

Also, having peril boosts your damage with Warp Unleashed, so even there's a bit of a conflict between wanting peril built up for WU and quelling it for Quietitude, gunpsykers do benefit from mixing in peril generating attacks in between their shooting, so "I've got a gun, I'm not generating Peril" isn't the way to think when it comes to Quietitude.

[eternal cargo]

To be fair, they have a lot of information that they shouldn't have.

And yeah I agree, more often than not Quietitude beats out the other options.

[hidden crystal]

Psykers do have the potential for psyniscient awareness without specifically needing a patron entity, so I think any of the explanations are possible.

One way or another though, the Seers are definitely unhinged beyond merely having an imaginary friend.

[grizzled iris]

They should reduce BB cast time and dmg by 50%

[thorn cedar]

... no?

[hidden crystal]

With a recent change to my curios, I've noticed they're very samey:

[thorn cedar]

I noticed yesterday that the item number on Curio doesn't add up

Not sure where or why that's happening now.

You'll have 75 + 75 and the total is 190.

[hidden crystal]

There's some multiplier that's being applied so that a maxed out curio has rating 200.

Not sure what the point of that is, but that's how it is now.

[spice veldt]

i have a 208 rating curio cuz i'm pro

[thorn cedar]

It's weird since I had Curios with three tier 4 perks before, but it's not until I reroll one of them that it suddenly magically gains 40+ points

[thorn cedar]

Yea what even is that lol

[spice veldt]

there was a minor bug before and it somehow got fucked even more

make numbers add up properly """"CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE""""

how hard is it to make 73 + 75 = 148

though it is nice to have these refined curios have such a high rating so that they're at the top of my inventory when sorting by rating

[thorn cedar]

Maybe they represent nepotism

[fallow dawn]

wow

eh

[thorn cedar]

Not bad honestly.

Good, actually.

[hidden crystal]

For the sake of me not having to spend time testing it in the psykanium, what attacks remain unblockable even with the memeiest max stamina, max block, kinetic deflection, deflector build?

[fallow dawn]

crushers smash

plagueogryn stomp

[thorn cedar]

Overheads, yeah.

[fallow dawn]

mouler smash as well

dog jump if not pushed

traper obv

[thorn cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

Just search Block bypass on that page

[hidden crystal]

Right, I knew someone would have a list somewhere.

[gilded radish]

got some high curios, mine are mostly just above 100, mainly bc iam just too lazy to upgrade them

[hidden crystal]

Well, curio crafting has now become a lot less painful.

Because you can now replace (rather than having to reroll) two perks, so no more reroll until rarity mod, and you only need one solid perk on it rather than having to pray your one reroll is enough to make it good.

These three are toughness, HP, and Stamina, with the perks mostly being a mix of stamina regen, toughness regen and gunner/sniper resist.

I used to run a wound one, but I'm trying to wean myself off that. While it is sometimes useful, it relies on you being got up twice on higher difficulties to pay itself back vs a decent HP curio.

[plucky flax]

Hp is op as you don't need grim resistance if you max stack hp.

[hidden crystal]

+20% Health gives you +30 HP on your first wound, and +15 on the second, whereas +1 wound is none to start with, +25 on the second, and +50 on the third...

... so it doesn't pay off until the final wound.

Also, I think +HP affects your downed health, giving longer for a revive? But I may be not paying attention there.

As much as someone might want a low warp resistance for powering up warp unleashed, this might be a little low:

[plucky flax]

You don't spam special on deimos anyway.

At most probably 3 specials in a row.

[wheat wren]

Any psyker main YouTubers you guys recommend?

[thorn cedar]

Ryken XIV

[fresh reef]

Does anyone know if Cerebral Lacerations stacks with itself?

ie, if multiple psykers are using it

[olive ember]

eh I just don't use CL

[fresh reef]

Hits a couple of the same breakpoints at 6WC if you decide not to take the feat that increases damage with peril (forgor the name because 90% of psyker's feats are just "Peril Warp Buzzword Psykinetic"

[olive ember]

Not really sure tbh though if you are using CL most things will die in 2 BB anyways

only thing of note would be against bosses but idk

[fresh reef]

It lets you twoshot crushers and reapers

Though again, irrelevant if you're running the aforementioned feat

Personally run wrack and ruin, and don't see much value in the other options for column 3

[olive ember]

Wrack and ruin is

well its a feat

[hearty python]

Someone hasn't played the new waves of specials maelstrom missions. I've run into peril limit stabbing Maulers a frew times

[upper galleon]

nah for maelstrom

you just have to use illisi IME

too much stuff to be worth getting stuck for a second and Illisi still does plenty of ST damage

[magic hull]

Fellow psykers which is your favourite fit:

[lyric burrow]

3

[plucky flax]

Maulers are not specials. If you mean the scab only no ammo pick up mode then purga destroy maulers.

I don't use my sword for them.

[strong gulch]

3

[shadow wigeon]

Maybe for Monstrous Maelstrom

[olive ember]

Maybe, I just used tranquility tho