psyker-class

[echo turtle]

unless you're cycling BBs against a shooter wall

[thorn cedar]

You'd be surprised. I'm often operating between 50 and 100 during active fights the entire time.

[echo turtle]

when I need DR the most, is usually frantic melee, and perils tend to be lower during those moments

aswell, toughness is either max or 0 at those times lol

[spice veldt]

i use the illisi, so I have a bunch of peril during melee

[thorn cedar]

If I need more the Illisi is easy to special spam and for Deimos I just QQ

[echo turtle]

I am using the illisi, often doing a charge is uh, not ideal

[spice veldt]

at 40% peril, you get 19.2% toughness DR or +23.8% effective toughness

[echo turtle]

if you're cornered

thats dece

[spice veldt]

i find that I can usually comfortably get a special off as long as I'm spamming dodges

I did play a few games drunk and just got fucking demolished in melee because I lost my ability to spam dodges

[echo turtle]

yeah, I'll do that and a quick slash for the heals

as I run absorbtion

a quick slash usually gets me 40-60% toughness back

[spice veldt]

i spammed it even with quietitude cuz it's usually the best option anyways with regards to damage/stagger in most scenarios

[thorn cedar]

Man what am I even gonna replace my two toughness perks with lol

[echo turtle]

try different stuff

it really depends on your play

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i think a lot of people are doing this more now esp if your running unstable power

[echo turtle]

there isn't a clear optimal imo

for instance, I run a shredder, so I will get different mileage from perks

as I don't use perils for my range slot

[spice veldt]

if I were playing ultra safe, I'd probably run at least 1x gunner res, 1x sniper res, and 1x toughness regen

and stack toughness/hp in the other slots

[echo turtle]

I am running toughness/HP as my perks on all my curios

seems just all around good

[thorn cedar]

I got a god rolled Vraks 7 the other day that I'd love to gun psyker with, but not in a Maelstrom mission which is all I've been doing lol

[echo turtle]

I'm not always getting hit by snipers or gunners, but I do always want toughness

and health

[spice veldt]

these are the two setups that I'm considering

[lyric burrow]

Yeah maelstrom is brutal

You dont like stam?

[spice veldt]

no i'll rely on god and anime to protect me

[echo turtle]

if you get +1 stam an ur weapon

[spice veldt]

and simply pray that chaos spawns either don't spawn or are weakened

[echo turtle]

thats probably fine

[thorn cedar]

Psyker stam already nutty too.

[echo turtle]

instant regen on psyker stam

[spice veldt]

if you play perfectly, psyker's stam regen is enough to block a chaos spawn over time

though I have been whiffing insanely hard in actual games

[lyric burrow]

🤨

[spice veldt]

perish

shut up

shush

[echo turtle]

I have high hopes for this weapon

[lyric burrow]

Yeah you can just keep up with a chaos spawn with stam regen

Dodging can also take some pressure off stam

[echo turtle]

it interrupts the regen tho

which, isnt a huge deal

[lyric burrow]

Also what's the best way to dodge the chaos spawn grab, ignoring the times that he pushes me into something and i get stuck i rarely get the timing down

[spice veldt]

i think the safest way is to preemptively distance yourself away from the spawn

so that you have an easier time just getting away

since it does take some time before starting up an attack/grab after each combo

[lyric burrow]

Yeah fair i am trying to dark souls dodge the grab lol

[spice veldt]

the grab is basically undodgeable as far as I can tell

have to physically move away from that bullshit

[thorn cedar]

You can dodge it, it just comes out slow.

People dodge on the wind up instead of the swing.

But still better to just be putting distance.

[harsh urchin]

you need to dodge->slide

[spice veldt]

i have this 1v1 video against the chaos spawn with the illisi since I have no stam/kinetic deflection and was doing it for practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4eujyB82M

[harsh urchin]

most normal dodges won't generate enough distance

[spice veldt]

oh i meant that the attack has a high dodge catch

rather than that you can't react to it and physically move your character away from the hitbox

[harsh urchin]

i'm pretty sure you cant iframe it

[spice veldt]

i should just call it i-frames

[echo turtle]

I need to start practiciing vs the bosses like that

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its def reactable

[spice veldt]

i only did it because of my greedy ass setup for stamina/kinetic deflection

I assume that people with stam/KD have a significantly easier time

because 3 bars of leeway is not that much, especially when I often forget about stamina in real games

AUGH

[lyric burrow]

Tbh chaos spawn is the only i can imagine practicing vs i find plauge ogryn easy af to dodge and nurgle i can just outrun

Although idk how to get away from plauge ogryn charge

Other than find something to hide behind

[spice veldt]

you can dodge it, but it's better to block it most times probably

[lyric burrow]

Although unless it launches off the map it does nothing

[thorn cedar]

I always just block it. Preferably with my back to a solid object lol

If I have dclaw I parry

[lyric burrow]

I forgot those can parry

[spice veldt]

plogryn dodge https://streamable.com/q4lovr

you have to do it early, and the plogryn also seems to speed up as he charges so the timing will be even earlier if you're a bit far away

but yeah blocking seems to be better just so that you can stick close to the plogryn, unless you need to get away or conserve your stamina

[lyric burrow]

Yeah with +3 stam ill probs just block

[spice veldt]

the charge isn't a guardbreak attack (so the damage won't go through your block and into your tough/hp); it just deals a shit ton of stamina damage it seems

[echo turtle]

I would be inclined towards the stam and no KD, but I want KD for picking up allies in game

I'm considering the +revive speed, I can't count how many times I was 95% done picking someone up to get hit

[mint oracle]

what's a good second blessing on purg staff with warp flurry?

[lyric burrow]

Doesnt kd not make a difference when reviving or am i thinking of something else

[lyric burrow]

Warp nexus

[mint oracle]

oh sweet, I was just rolling with that 'cause it seemed hard to go wrong with xd

just fishing for higher ranks of warp flurry now

[lyric burrow]

Yeah nexus/flurry is almost always good

[mint oracle]

the +25% unarmored enemies seems a little... unnecessary though lol

[lunar hollow]

this is the sekret i needed to do a plogryn fight solo with no damage taken with hammer

if i can ever get it to work

[spice veldt]

it may or may not be easier if you run to the side and then dodge into the other direction

cuz I think the plogryn's charge will lead into where it thinks that you're going to be at

maybe

[lunar hollow]

i don't trust anything about plogryn targeting

to be honest

[spice veldt]

yeah esp with the track record you have against it

[lunar hollow]

it's the only boss i've seen that can 180 in incredibly

why

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i wouldn't trust it either

[lunar hollow]

that was mean 😦

[spice veldt]

there's this but i'm not sure if it's placebo https://streamable.com/m9ypda

[lunar hollow]

anyways the plague ogryn has some animations that are incredibly hard to read

that can 180 on the spot

https://streamable.com/e3pxoc

[spice veldt]

owned

[lyric burrow]

Wow thats insane lol

[lunar hollow]

dude you know this shit's old when the old blessing icons mod is active

[spice veldt]

yeah I do not trust going near plogryns when they're doing the charge

i do not trust developers to make good hitboxes

[lunar hollow]

i wish i could say the same but like

[spice veldt]

can opener mf

[lunar hollow]

my brain is so fucking empty headed when i play this game im mostly working on instinct

[spice veldt]

same tbh

simply have a better empty head

[hollow current]

Reminds me of the rat ogre 1 frame 180 degree down slam.

[lunar hollow]

its so wonderful

with how many fucking ledges there are

this is like the only time i've ever been able to go "damn that was bullshit" when a boss knocked me off a ledge cuz the other clips of it happening are avoidable

[hollow current]

chaos works in mysterious ways and sometimes it wants you dead

I've had mutants throw me into demon hosts that spawned behind me in previously cleared areas.

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/erx0y5

@spice veldt was not long for this world

[quick python]

Stunning a roger only for it to 180 slam and down the elf

[lyric burrow]

Arco is never gonna live that clip down

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt huh so you can like matador this shit with hammer

cool

[echo turtle]

so, stamina modifies the block efficiency with kinetic deflection right?

is that still the calculation?

[spice veldt]

i haven't heard anyone remark on it being changed so prob

[echo turtle]

do you know how much each stam augments it?

[lunar hollow]

lmfao

[echo turtle]

I am going to take kinetic deflection, and am thinking of taking +stam on a weapon

[lunar hollow]

so you don't really have to clear the whole model

[echo turtle]

on the illisi, I have either the +stam or +25% vs flak

[steel egret]

I dont remember exactly but I think stam was more than block modifier

I dont remember how much block modifier is by max.

[harsh urchin]

block efficiency is not very good in this game

[steel egret]

I'm just gonna guess 20

so stamina is like 25

[echo turtle]

when using KD, stam reduces the peril cost of blocking

[steel egret]

Yes

[echo turtle]

efficiency does nothing for it, as far as I know

[harsh urchin]

correct, but it's better to get max stam

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/rpxg63

@spice veldt

[steel egret]

I know the usage

[lunar hollow]

i wonder

if the hitbox is literally just the head

for the charge

[spice veldt]

i made this reddit comment if the calculation still applies https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10dzfgk/the_emperor_has_bestowed_upon_me_this_godtier/j4qtumq/

[lunar hollow]

cuz he smacks me in the face and it dont do shit

[echo turtle]

Getting more stam is good, but I think taking KD and a stam curio is overkill

[spice veldt]

(ignore the opinions at the end of the comment)

[echo turtle]

Im wondering how important yall think +flak damage is on an illisi

[harsh urchin]

very

[spice veldt]

if you're spamming it into scab ragers/maulers

I use the illisi as my main weapon, so I'm doing that frequently

[harsh urchin]

cuz it helps a lot with mixed

illisi I would prioritize the 2 perks + slaught

over the 2nd blessing

[spice veldt]

if you're not doing it much, you could have the 2nd perk be whatever

[echo turtle]

flak is the #1 perk priority eh?

[spice veldt]

maniac is my #1

[lunar hollow]

god i love how in the psykh you can completely bug out the plogryn

[harsh urchin]

flak maniac

[lyric burrow]

Id do maniac first yeah

[echo turtle]

I have maniac, tho running shredder I am not sure I need it

[spice veldt]

oh yeah

[harsh urchin]

you do lol

[spice veldt]

prob don't need maniac with ap

[harsh urchin]

because sometimes you can't pull out the AP

[spice veldt]

besides saving ammo or if you're not reloaded

[harsh urchin]

and if it's a lone mutant it's better to use melee to save ammo

[echo turtle]

yeah, muties are a real thing

[spice veldt]

might be a concern on the mutant wave maelstroms if you don't have pinning fire stacked or enough damage buffs

though the reload on the ap is only 2 seconds

[lyric burrow]

Id use sword anyway for the infinite dodges with 10 muties lol

[echo turtle]

its fast, and the illisi cant reeally deal with muties in that situation well anyways

[spice veldt]

you can one-shot them since they have 40% hp than normal https://streamable.com/y1vf95

[lyric burrow]

It can if you have unstable and +maniac which allows for oneshots, 2 shots on normal

[echo turtle]

ah I didnt know that

[lunar hollow]

40% hp than normal

[echo turtle]

I have been taking deflector, just for suvival

[spice veldt]

what huh

oh right phrasing

hmm

[lunar hollow]

read your message

[spice veldt]

40% of their normal hp

shut up

[lunar hollow]

🙂

https://streamable.com/mjxqbc

[spice veldt]

huh

HUH

what magical powers do you u have

[lunar hollow]

psykh COMPLETELY breaks plogryn targeting

it will fucking stand INSIDE you

[spice veldt]

i think some modders remarked on enemy pathing in the psykhanium being questionable

[lunar hollow]

yes

the map geometry has some weirdly laid out points that make enemies do stuff like this

[lyric burrow]

I wonder if it has to do with enemies usually being in there

[lunar hollow]

which is why on top of all the other things that make the psykh bossfights not very useful instructionally

there's also that

even for a flat plane the pathing is fuckin strange and the AI behavior with it gets a little nuts, as u can see here

[echo turtle]

General consensus is unstable + slaughterer is where it's at eh?

[lyric burrow]

Ye

[thorn cedar]

thank u arco i have now made formula for effective toughness despite not being good at that shit lmao

[spice veldt]

i'd probably run deflector if I were playing to win and if I were running kinetic deflection

[lyric burrow]

Deflector is good so it can be swapped with unstable

[thorn cedar]

Through pure brute force and my phone calculator

[echo turtle]

Seems like deflector + KD or Unstable + KS

[spice veldt]

or with stam

[lyric burrow]

However i like funny damage

[lunar hollow]

instead ur playing to steal grims and discard them (and ur body)

[spice veldt]

since with just 3 stamina bars, it's fairly easy to get guardbroken by random ass ranged attacks all the time

[spice veldt]

ur not even a psyker main

go away

[echo turtle]

if I wasn't running deflector I would run some stam

[spice veldt]

i am a very greedy person

[lunar hollow]

i dont appreciate your unwelcoming behavior

also like if ur not runnin KD what the hell is the point of deflector unless u stack 3 stam curios

[echo turtle]

on maelstrom, I am feeling the need to have deflector

sometimes, my god

[lunar hollow]

like are u gonna block singular shotgunner blasts

cuz if u can do that consistently u may as well just... dodge

[spice veldt]

dodging helps

[echo turtle]

I wouldnt run KD without deflector

[spice veldt]

pellets from shotgunners deal their damage over time it seems

i think maybe the hitbox lingers or some shit

so you can still take damage once your i-frames are up

[lunar hollow]

i've never had it matter but maybe some people aren't playing with the muscle memory of a singular shotgunner being the most dangerous enemy in the game

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't want to get guardbroken in the middle of a ranged patrol though

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats death

Thank god for sliding

[echo turtle]

ah wtf, I used to have unstable power 4

I must have blessed over it

[lunar hollow]

i miss being vibe checked by the 3stack of shotgunners doming u at 20 meters

[echo turtle]

god damniit

[spice veldt]

good thing they nerfed their toughness multiplier from 3x to 2x and their base damage

[lyric burrow]

At least you can still get blasted in melee by them and get lauched back

[echo turtle]

whatever, I'll stick with deflector for a while

its fine

[spice veldt]

they used to fucking annihilate all of my toughness and half of my HP in a single shot

close-ranged snipers

[echo turtle]

they got nerfed?

thank god

[spice veldt]

ikr

[echo turtle]

they were brutal

[lunar hollow]

woe be upon the fatshark devs. i miss them

[spice veldt]

oh yeah the nerf was also undocumented

[lyric burrow]

You just liked to watch arco get blasted by shotgunners didnt you josho

[lunar hollow]

i didnt play with arco during this time

i simply enjoyed the suffering

[lyric burrow]

Oh i figured you guys always played

[spice veldt]

i met josho around when his femboy arc started

[lunar hollow]

don't believe any of the words he tells you

[spice veldt]

like 3-4 months ago?

[lyric burrow]

I do not know josho pre femboy arc

[lunar hollow]

few do

[lunar hollow]

some timeframe around then

[spice veldt]

it was when you were being gaslighted about that invisible trapper

[lunar hollow]

that was funny for the first 2 days and then it got old

[lyric burrow]

Wasn't that a thing for a while

[lunar hollow]

well there are certain denizens of the two psyker chats that suck at coming up with new jokes

🦟

[lunar hollow]

that was closer to 3 months ago

i think

[thorn cedar]

so josho is a trap

[spice veldt]

he is a real femboy

[cosmic sigil]

trapboi

[harsh urchin]

man

i can't beat a single maelstrom lmao

my pubs are dying to poxwalkers

while i'm fighting a spawn, a flamer and a mutant at the same time

[thorn cedar]

i've got three wins so far in ... shit idk

20 attempts maybe

two were real close but we did not make it

[harsh urchin]

it really is pretty much the weakest link

[thorn cedar]

(but we did beat the mission objectives so i guess you could count it, we just didnt make it out alive)

[harsh urchin]

cuz if you have one bad player

you just really feel it lol

[thorn cedar]

yeah you can tell who's actually performing to task

ill try to shore up the shortcomings of others but sometimes they are just too heavy, sadly

i did run into an absolutely incredible helbore vet yesterday

like sure, a super strong or 'meta' weapon is nice but in the end what these things test is your ability to perform the basics 1,000 times a second without making a mistake

so i dont evaluate based on the equipment, it's purely the outcome i care about. that said that helbore vet was gawddamn out of my expectations lmao

[lyric burrow]

I havent done many but managed to win one of the monstrosity ones

[analog solstice]

Does maelstrom offer any more plasteel than a regular damnation? That’s all i really need at this point

[thorn cedar]

plasteel is the same

[analog solstice]

Damn, they shouldve increased plasteel drops in them too

A higher tier plasteel pickup just for maelstrom

[thorn cedar]

nah. i mean i get the logic behind it, it checks out with the rest of the curve

but VT2 showed the value in separating the rewards from the difficulty curve at a point when it comes to player bases

cause Legend is full of sweaty fuckers who get antsy about losses or dying with a Grim because they're still trying to grind, whereas Cataclysm, having the same rewards as Legend but being harder, only had people who love having their balls twisted in a vice

[analog solstice]

Yeah cata the same as legend

[thorn cedar]

yuuup lol

so i'd rather keep it separated

[analog solstice]

Think ill just stick with quick play bonus regular aurics missions

[thorn cedar]

i wanna see people play these modes to play the mode itself, and not to try and take an efficiency shortcut for a build or something

besides, even if you tripled the reward right now, the win rate is atrocious lmao

you'd still do better running regular damns

[analog solstice]

True, maelstroms got about a 20% chance of actually finishing

With randoms

[strong gulch]

Speaking of bad players, it's me. I can't consistently do T4s today.

I'm usually not Good™️ at this game, but I am full garbage today. 💀

Figured out what my problem is. It's brain fog. I just tried to throw away a pair of socks.

[rugged fiber]

Which type of curio do you recommend for a psyker ( I'm using force sword + purgatus)

[harsh urchin]

I wouldn't worry about curios until you're level 30

[snow coral]

Damn, even with the true level change I'm in a lobby with a 946 psyker... which one of you is that?

[rustic pewter]

can someone explain why force block does not always block bullets?

[thorn cedar]

gotta be facing the direction of fire

snipers also dont count

[rustic pewter]

so it cant block snipers

[thorn cedar]

newp

[rustic pewter]

any blessings that help with it

ty btw

[thorn cedar]

only the sniper damage resist on curios

[rustic pewter]

oh not with snipers i meant for the sword

[spice veldt]

slaughterer if you use your force sword to fight lesser enemies for a meaningful amount of time, but you're also using purg so it's whatevs

which force sword is this?

[rustic pewter]

deimos mk IV

[echo turtle]

whats the stance on Cerebral Lacerations in here?

on the auric level

[past locust]

Another question: what's with the hype for the deimos force sword? Quite like the other two, just haven't gotten around to that one yet

[echo turtle]

its very mobile

insanely good stab attack

[spice veldt]

l1 deals 2x damage, and h2 deals 2.5x damage

it's essentially a better obscurus

[past locust]

More mobile than the other two? That is mobile

[echo turtle]

you can go L1 into H2

[rustic pewter]

mightiest melee dmg in the game i think

[spice veldt]

light combo is better, the light stab is more accessible, and it has a heavy stab

[rustic pewter]

u wanna go light -> heavy -> light -> heavy and aim for heads with it

that combo does the most dmg

[spice veldt]

i'm bringing that shit to monstrosities maelstroms; but I otherwise prefer my psyk aura as usual

I don't maintain my warp charges well enough to get the two-shot BP on crushers and I'm running trauma usually anyways

[echo turtle]

yeah

I am atm running with flayer so charges are always up

I am just wondering what is likely better for the party, CL or aura

[past locust]

Intriguing all round, will have to give the thing a go

[past locust]

I do like the OG one, despite it being way less useful than the Blaze so the Deimos sounds quite nice

[spice veldt]

the effect of psyk aura probably won't be felt by your teammates since they might not know about psyk aura and whatnot

and the general mentality of conserving your ult, which I do as well

depends

[echo turtle]

yeah true

[spice veldt]

I like psyk aura because of the very strong personal benefit it has

[echo turtle]

Helpful for a vet

but otherwise yeah

[spice veldt]

especially since i also run kinetic barrage

[echo turtle]

I am also running barrage

[spice veldt]

but I am absolutely bringing it to monstrosity maelstroms

[echo turtle]

solid

this is the build I am messing with atm

Shredder/illisi

deflector, which is why I have Kinetic deflection

How I would change it based on the channels feedback is

drop deflector for Unstable on the illisi

Take 6 charges, take aura or communion, Take kinetic shield

is that about how you would change it up, assuming you have a Slaughterer/Unstable Illisi?

[spice veldt]

yeah that's what i run except for flayer with trauma/illisi

[echo turtle]

you keep flayer?

[spice veldt]

i am very bad at warp charge management

[echo turtle]

I hve been liking it

[spice veldt]

I could do better but I have it since I can't be assed to brain burst sometimes

[echo turtle]

I notice I tend to drop charges during some engagements, so I don’t rate 6 charges highly unless I have some passive regen

Sometimes like, you’re too busy to be bursting

I notice flayer proc when I need it to a lot aswell

[whole oxide]

With rending from Uncanny strike, it uses the base damage value, ie. unarmoured, is that affected by +25% unarmoured perk? or does target still use its base perk mod?

[spice veldt]

yeah the usual perk stuff still matters

rending doesn't change the armour mod being used

my explanation of rending #psyker-class message

[harsh urchin]

my shredder/illisi setup if you're looking to see what other people use-

[spice veldt]

so using the example from my link, +40% rending and +25% carapace means that you'll deal 79% * 125% = 98.75% of your base damage to carapace

[whole oxide]

so smacking a mauler with +100% rending, an unarmoured perk won't help

[spice veldt]

it's only zealot's ult that gets downgrade thingy, which is a separate thing from rending

and even with the downgrade, it only makes it so that the base damage uses another armour mod

but if you, say, are using a flamer on a crusher and ult, the +carapace perk on your flamer will still boost the damage on the crusher while ulted

[whole oxide]

getting bored of force-sword master-race, trying to find some way to make duelling-sword not feel like such a massive downgrade

[harsh urchin]

wait for november content+balance patch

is probably the play

[echo turtle]

the deimos does everything the dueling sword does but better

daggers still have some play if you get Lacerate + mercy Kill 4, but even then the rashad is probably the best all rounder

[spice veldt]

duelling sword's single-target isn't too terrible
and I think the armour modifiers on it are pretty meh so uncanny strike seems like a decent option regardless

[echo turtle]

it can get decent output with uncanncy, but the dagger out performs it

[whole oxide]

its single-target damage isn't bad, but, since it doesn't have much stagger, its still risky

[echo turtle]

except vs crushers

[whole oxide]

your only defence is to dodge backwards, but, if there isn't space to do that, youv'e got nothing

[spice veldt]

unless they patched it out, rending% will boost your stagger, though I have no idea whether the extra stagger from rending% will push the DS past any breakpoints

[whole oxide]

yeah, but even with +100% rending, you can't stagger anything important

[echo turtle]

still, when compared to a diemos, it is very lack luster

[spice veldt]

fuckin 3rd light on the MKV DS has more stagger than its heavies

[echo turtle]

if you like the dueling sword, I would reccomend giving the knife a go

with mercy kill and lacerate, it can do massive weakspot damage, in addition to being as mobile as the DS

I will warn you though, without mercy Kill 4 and lacerate, it

is not amazing at all

[whole oxide]

does that not struggle with maniacs tho? would Uncanny be better to deal with maniacs?

[spice veldt]

mfing shieldgryn backseating

i met him in an earlier game but wasn't in the mind to block him before the mission ended

[thorn cedar]

i never keep voip on, simple as

[spice veldt]

it was in chat and the mf was talking about how we all needed to deal with snipers

like no shit but i'm also dealing with melee before I have the space to BB

[thorn cedar]

i was clutching a game yesterday when a dude left just as i was rezzing him. i assumed a crash but apparently he had been vocally shittalking my build the entire game + clutch and i guess he couldnt eat his own words

[lyric burrow]

Idk why some people care so much about builds, if i do fine with devils claw and revolver does it matter

[thorn cedar]

peeps be whack

[lyric burrow]

I also think people get too caught up in people filling there "roles" which leads to the shieldgryn arco played with

Like yeah ogryn probably cant deal with snipers but he can help deal with whatever is preventing arco from dealing with the snipers

[thorn cedar]

BOX

[lyric burrow]

Maybe not with shield tho

Box is the most fun sniper killer

[whole oxide]

"shield"..... "help".......

[lyric burrow]

Chuck that shit across the map

[hearty python]

I had that on a game last night or the night before, 2 or 3 snipers on the other side of the bridge at the start of Ascension Riser and I couldn't get space to BB. Gory asked if anyone brought range and I responded I was trying, which I was until I dodged myself off the side. The zealot had a fire shotgun and I don't remember who else was there, but I wasn't getting any close range cover to be able to BB.

[spice veldt]

or just moving forward, because there's a blindspot to the snipers

just the issue of getting lvl <100s who don't know how the movement system works

lvl 41 vet who went down 5 times and couldn't use the bolter for the life of him to kill snipers

and continuously walked into where the bursters were coming from so I couldn't even kill them with my trauma

and we wiped because i made the stupid mistake of trying to save his ass and went into a bad position

people who can't aim should just play psyker

[autumn smelt]

idk, ogryns can counter snipe

you have a box lmao

[strong gulch]

There's even a seer line about not really aiming and having a good time. 😂

Also accurate.

[autumn smelt]

and im both!

[lyric burrow]

fair but i was giving them the benefit of the doubt and thinking they might be out

[spice veldt]

yeah that's a good benefit of the doubt to give

i looked over at my footage and the mf was at white nades during and after the sniper section

[grizzled jasper]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1igvUGUiBIUaVo/d1337lxbGYaR?invite=cr-MSxOeHAsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[autumn smelt]

ik i was mostly joking

[autumn smelt]

cuz clips like this are just too funny

[strong gulch]

best box

So many chainswords.

[digital loom]

too bad chainsword is shit

best to buy the good ones and sit on them until buff, theres no max inventory

i have so many shitty weapons just waiting for their time to shine

i hope fatshark notices them

[strong gulch]

I have one that I kept. I recently melted everything for a cosmetic I don't use.

[digital loom]

sounds right

[brazen warren]

psyker specific chain sword blessings when

[echo turtle]

@spice veldt good call on inspiring barrage on the shredder

it has helped SO much

[spice veldt]

ikr, it's so good on a weapon that already has a great offensive blessing

[lyric burrow]

they also nerfed FF didnt they

er

blaze away

[echo turtle]

not sure about blaze away, but pinning fire still slaps

[harsh urchin]

Nah i think BA is still good lol

[echo turtle]

I have heard rumors that it will be nerfed, but I don't expect that anytime soon

[echo turtle]

being able to regen toughness in a pinch is too good. I don't know why anyone other than a vet would take something else

I suppose cavalcade makes sense for a zealot using crits for DR

[harsh urchin]

Nobody uses the crit dr talent

[plucky flax]

Blaze away is a damage increase against unstaggerable enemies.

Like muties.

[harsh urchin]

And reapers/boss if you need to dump

[plucky flax]

Yeah though as psyker I bb monsters.

[harsh urchin]

It also is very strong if zealot needs to deal with 2+ crushers in a pinch

[plucky flax]

Anyway for me blaze away over inspiring barrage.

[harsh urchin]

Completely personal preference

I have both pistols built heh

You're stronger against some stuff

And weaker against others

[echo turtle]

interesting, I’ll have to farm more pistols

[vestal stirrup]

So

How much damage does a brain burst actuslly do?

It doesn’t seem to scale, at least looking at playing on different difficulties

[upper galleon]

Need to have charges

[spice veldt]

1100 base damage

and always targets the head, so head hitzone multipliers apply

e.g., it'll deal 770 damage to daemonhosts since they take 0.7x ranged damage to the head

[dawn crypt]

which perk should i roll

[upper galleon]

I'd say unarmored to maniac

[dawn crypt]

k

thanks

[gilded radish]

i made it

[dawn crypt]

Is that the psykanium?

[gilded radish]

yeah

[dawn crypt]

How the hell do u get up there lol

[gilded radish]

i used some skill

[dawn crypt]

interestiing

[gilded radish]

i used a mod to spawn bursters, alot of them and just kept spawning them until i launched up and landed there

[dawn crypt]

ohhh lol

smart

[cedar cove]

there's another mod which lets you set gravity either very low or even to zero, so you can jump up there.

[gilded radish]

more fun to launch yourself with bursters

[celest hedge]

I keep forgetting that mind in motion is a skill because of how useless it is

[dawn crypt]

he likes flying

[gilded radish]

iam tryna get up the statue

i made it on the statue

[dawn crypt]

that didnt take long

[gilded radish]

yeah just kept smacking bursters and 3 of them launched me up so high

[dawn crypt]

3 burster at once is a stronger push but

wouldnt it alter ur trajectory

[gilded radish]

no since they dont attack you when your out of the map

my next mission is to get on top of the psykanium

[dawn crypt]

so u use creature spawner

adjust ur position for direction

[spice veldt]

be warned that exploding too many bursters will crash your game

[gilded radish]

havnt crahsed yet

[dawn crypt]

but u how do u put ur character above the burster or put burster under you to go upwards?

[gilded radish]

put about 12 ish burster underneath me

[dawn crypt]

then u turn off invisibility and fly?

[gilded radish]

my invisibility is always off i just spam them

[spice veldt]

if ur a chad psyker, you can explode them all at once with trauma

[gilded radish]

but then i gotta change to psyker and then go back in

[pallid smelt]

perks for curios?

[gilded radish]

they are great

[pallid smelt]

which ones are best?

[gilded radish]

toughness, health ones

[dawn crypt]

You are in the psyker channel but not playing a psyker??! 😮

[gilded radish]

i switched to psyker

[dawn crypt]

traitorous

[gilded radish]

i always just made it out of the entre thing

from the bottom

[gilded radish]

playing as psyker

[dawn crypt]

hehe

just teasing

[gilded radish]

aight turning on invis and then using trauma is like setting of a nuke

[pallid smelt]

did they nerf illisi?

[gilded radish]

idk

i did itt i launched myself out of the map

crashed my game aswell

[dawn crypt]

dont notice it

[gilded radish]

@dawn crypt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lvixzYv4AU

[dawn crypt]

hahaha

omg

[gilded radish]

i wanna try and get on top of the entire thing

[spice veldt]

nah

[gilded radish]

i did it

[hidden crystal]

+Toughness and +health perks can give them an extra boost; toughness regen massively speeds up your coherency regen; stamina regen can be worth a look if you like running extra stamina (however, psykers have a very short regen delay and not much stamina by default, so not so necessary if you're not already boosting it); gunner and sniper resist work well as those classes work by doing a lot of direct damage (but the others are pretty worthless, as those classes don't do much direct damage, but instead screw you over by letting other things damage you); corruption resist is potentially okay (but grimoire resist is useless, just slightly slowing down how long it takes to deal its full corruption); and ability regen is maybe okay if you're stacking it with other feats that help reduce cooldown, but is underwhelming otherwise.

[gilded radish]

Full on essay

[grizzled iris]

Ogryn: Gunner, Sniper, Tregen
Psyker: Gunner, Sniper, Tregen
Zealot: Gunner, Sregen, Tregen
Vet: Sniper, Sregen, Tregen

[hidden crystal]

I run a lot of stamina regen on my psyker, but then I love being able to spam a heap of pushes to knock down a horde.

Toughness regen is pretty good, but the fact it only works on coherency regen means it suffers a lot if the team gets split (or just won't stay together), so I only run it on two of my psyker's curios, not all three.

[gilded radish]

Use the unlimited dodge with psword and go sideways

[gilded radish]

The ogryn looks the best, the other look rather weird

[plucky flax]

They are all so shit.

[idle aurora]

Lmao psykers head is literally reused from other set

Now i have a discount for new set because of it

[warm mica]

The jacket too, but in a different color...

[idle aurora]

Yeah, but here they atleast changed the material (this one is leather, previous was cloth) and color scheme. Head is just completely same

[warm mica]

In the end, there's very little variety when you consider all the outfits available in the lore.

[idle aurora]

I wonder why the don't release all the unseen sets 1st, and THEN cycle, there are a lot of sets in files, that just sit there ready

[warm mica]

😍

[plucky flax]

Or don't remove old sets at all.

There are some stuff I want but missed out.

[zealous sierra]

3 options

[lyric burrow]

2 imo

[zealous sierra]

hmm

What perks do I need

[lyric burrow]

Keep flak replace the 2nd one with unarmored imo

Swap nexus with flurry

Alternatively replace transfer with blazing spirit and groaners with crit chance

[wheat acorn]

bruh

emporer gave me this

[brittle timber]

how very considerate of the emperor

[lyric burrow]

Your not level 30 right

[wheat acorn]

nope

lmao

18

[lyric burrow]

Ok was gonna make sure lol

[wheat acorn]

it was sudden cuz this came from heresy level

[lyric burrow]

I like that gun however its not meta

[wheat acorn]

honestly i might use it for shits and giggles

[lyric burrow]

But its fun

Hard on your fingers tho

[wheat acorn]

autofire go brrrr

oh so i didnt know that the right click of brain burst is more stronger

[willow escarp]

I was using that gun ln and had some really weird bugs going on

On reload my total ammo count would fluctuate between like 120 and 1200

[zealous sierra]

new one

[grizzled iris]

If you only play meta then you only use illsi / caxe and shredder pistol

[warm mica]

I was tempted by the jacket, except that now grandpa is full leather ! 🤣😐😏

[grizzled iris]

Waiting for my sisters of battle full spandex outfit with a whip

[warm mica]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-jimin-jimin-whip-whiplash-whipping-gif-12463359

[hidden crystal]

Only available for Ogryn.

(Still disappointed we didn't get lady ogryns. I want a hulking lady ogryn with an Austrian accent).

[rustic pewter]

can you put blessings from a voidstrike staff onto a trauma force staff?

[lyric burrow]

No

All staffs have a different blessing pool even if they have mostly the same blessings

[rustic pewter]

thank you

[warm mica]

What build do you have for using the laser pistol ? I've seen quite a few psykers use it and it intrigues me.

[grizzled iris]

I do 1-1-1-2-3-3

[warm mica]

Thank you !

[loud garnet]

[subtle swallow]

Hello anyone doing the malleus monstronum penitent ?

[zealous sierra]

I am at a loss on what to sacrifice

Gotta either sacrifice that warp flurry 4 from either staff or transfer peril

[tacit jungle]

tier 4 warp nexus for purga worth picking up from melk?

I'm so out of the loop of what's good for staves ._.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats worth

You want nexus/warp flurry for purg

[tacit jungle]

okie, thanks

[lucid rock]

for purgatus you wanna have this

[edgy heart]

came back from a break, noticed psyker has 2 new melees, how are they

[thorn cedar]

The best.

Like unironically.

[tacit jungle]

aww, just ran into a group of 3 kind souls who would've done malleus monstronum with me but they didn't realize I already had it and you need to do it in a private lobby now((( ah well, at least the lad got proper dodge training

I was thinking why the other two wouldn't come help with the daemonhost until later when they asked about the achievement

[willow escarp]

What’s the strat/reason with purgatus warp flurry anyways? Trauma I understand

[thorn cedar]

Same logic. There's also just not much competition in the blessing pool.

[lucid rock]

faster charge = more uptime of flames

it's mandatory for difficult missions

[echo turtle]

Not sure if anyone else is running Cerebral lacerations much, but I am really enjoying being able to reliably double tap crushers

[harsh urchin]

comes a big cost

you drop the ability to use anything except KB at 30

and you also don't get psy aura

[hidden crystal]

Really stonking stats, and could potentially replace my Psyker's current MG12, but I'm terrified to give Hadron a chance to ruin it:

Also, to be honest, I already know I need to replace that ranged Crit damage.

So the chances of Hadron not bricking it are basically zero.

[echo turtle]

KB is the best

[echo turtle]

yeah, I do miss psy aura

just rolled this and I am PUMPED

[hidden crystal]

Well, replace Carapace Damage at least, then decide whether you more want to upgrade Blaze Away or replace reload speed. (Sometimes that quarter of a second on a reload makes the difference, so I wouldn't call it terrible, but it's probably not going to do as much as a damage buff).

[steel flame]

can someone scream at fatshark so they can hotfix these damn loadouts bugs AGAIN?

how do they keep rebreaking this shit

over and over and over and over again

[lyric burrow]

Yeah my loadout 2 is locked

[echo turtle]

I dont have Blaze away4, so I will probably replace reload speed or just wait

the reload is, OK

its between that and + specialist damage I think

maybe + flak

[lyric burrow]

Iirc that gun has high maniac damage base

[echo turtle]

I swapped carapace for maniac

[lyric burrow]

So if you have to pick between the 2 probs flak

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, it's been a while since I used one, but I don't think the shredder needs that much help with Maniacs.

[echo turtle]

yeah, flak is solid

I want to be able to drop muties as fast as possible with it

[lyric burrow]

But flak/maniac is ideal

[echo turtle]

thats what I'll do, I dont think olding out for =eventually getting BA 4 is wise

I just took this into the meatgrinder

wowie

when both the buffs are ramping up

it guts nuts

[steel flame]

i love having to go to the psyhcanium to swap which loudout im forced to use

[lyric burrow]

Yeah shredder is the best gun in the game for a reason

Why go to meat grinder

[echo turtle]

yeah, PF and BA are probs gonna get nerfed at some point

[lyric burrow]

For me i just cant use loadout 2

Others are fine

[hidden crystal]

To be honest, many of the stacking power blessings need a nerf.

[thorn cedar]

Pinning Fire is grossly overtuned. Blaze Away isn't that crazy tbh

[hidden crystal]

Right now, things like Slaughterer are "if you don't have this, the weapon's basically bricked".

[lyric burrow]

Yeah pf is the big thing

[thorn cedar]

Nah loads of weapons can serve a function without Slaughterer. Slaughterer is simply very good.

[lyric burrow]

Take off pf and keep blaze away the guns pretty mid

[thorn cedar]

Imagine if Slaughterer gave you stacks of that level per hit and lasted 3 seconds.

That's how Pinning Fire do.

Completely stupid Blessing right now, especially on Shredder, where farting out five rounds instantly doubles your EVERYTHING and you can maintain the buff through a reload. Just goddamn silly.

[lyric burrow]

I do think slaughterer is pretty insane

[thorn cedar]

People love when it's working but forget to notice when it isn't.

Easy thought experiment -- four players, all run Slaughterer. Who's going to actually be able to maintain max stacks and when?

In a horde that's pretty easy. In a mixed group of Elites, not so much.

Against three Monstrous Specialists, nobody.

[plucky flax]

I flamed a guy for not just going to the elevator at the end of a round and he flamed me back.

So he didn't do any of the scanning at end event and was just voidstrike staff around. And in the end he didn't go in the lift and still farming trash mobs.

Not that his void holds a candle against my blaze trauma

[lyric burrow]

I hate when people refuse to get on the elevator

They just kill trash mods till 46 elites show up and kill them and now we have to wait for him to die

[plucky flax]

One of the worse map for it is hab dreyko.

[lyric burrow]

Or go get him

[plucky flax]

People love to farm the horde at the end.

[lyric burrow]

Logistratum mid event also

People always go to medicae and die

[plucky flax]

Complex?

[lyric burrow]

Er yeah

Bad at remembering map names

[plucky flax]

I want t4 blazing spirit on trauma staff so bad.

4 stacks to maximum of 8 stacks would be real nice.

[faint sigil]

blazing spirit vs brittleness?

[plucky flax]

Brittleness/rending only helps your team.

Since trauma ignores armour type already.

[faint sigil]

i feel like bosses and such might make it worthwhile

but ive never had a good trauma, rolling currently

trying to get all the arguments for blessings, so when it does happen i can be informed

[harsh urchin]

i don't think so lol

the question that you need to ask is

is there any time I would not run this blessing

[plucky flax]

Yeah when memeing.

[harsh urchin]

I don't think that's ever a consideration for PF or slaught

if you have it you run it lol

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, just had an Auric Heresy HiInt party for Vigil Station Oblivium who - while I don't want to slag them off - were rusty on some of the fundamentals of the game.

• Even if you know where it's going, the servo skull doesn't go anywhere if you're not accompanying it, so don't all go down the left and leave one player on their own to actually follow the skull.
• When your psyker is down to their last wound, please don't shoot the poxburster they're about to push back.
• And when you do rescue your psyker, please don't shoot the two lone dreg melee trash they're trying to brain burst to get their warp charges back up.

[ornate hamlet]

Someone tell me that this is good. Because I know it is. But I've been wrong on so manyy things that I thought were good before. I'm using this on maelstrom and mowing down specials/elites/chargers. This thing does double dmg on crit ~700 on headshot. Not hard to do, and if you're hitting that at like whatever the refire is, like 2.5 shots a second? In two seconds you've done 3500 dmg assuming all shots hit, but you still do huge damage on torso anyway.. THat is my case, headshots do massive damage, high refire rate, big magazine, big reserve. Couple it with automatic Brainburst, and go with a rapid brainburst build for monstrosities or situational combat coupled with amplified damage from brainburst, you have a really hard hitting build... What do you guys think?

1750 max dps.

I use this for carapace armored

I guess you could say that Im going for a rapid specialist sniper build. I have found that the staves don't really cover that to my satisfaction as direct targeting and damage. Voidstrike hits other things before hits the target in the back. Lightning hits who's closest. Trauma doesn't go far enough, and flame is great, but not for getting those guys in the back. Brain burst, you have targetting issues because of guys in your face. Brainburst comes in handy when you have something big in your face. Thus, the amplify damage perk.

With the SMG, that I tried, it was good, but I found that I ate through too much ammo and used it more as a horde clearing tool.

I tried the Revolver but, my accuracy wasn't as good at that as I liked, and I kept knocking everything over which I guess is a bad idea.

Didn't like the autolasgun because it felt like death of a thousand paper cuts.

Not a big fan of the autoguns. Their ammo is too low for my taste and they don't have a refire that feels "right" to me.

Those are more on matters of taste and preference

But the staves are functionally unviable, unless I missed something.

[acoustic osprey]

not sure what to reroll Infested into, maybe Carapace? unless it's better to just change blazing spirit and keep infested % I want to save 1 to get t4 slaughterer if i ever find it. it still 2 hits mutants, so i wasn't keep on changing it to maniac %

[ornate hamlet]

I was told the BS perk was hot garbage.

So I kept one in my close cuz I thought it was awesome.

closet*

[hidden crystal]

MG12's can be great, but there are definitely some problems here: +Carapace is utterly useless on it - almost nothing is carapace, and boosting carapace damage so awful that even a crit headshot barely does anything against the things that are. Against a Crusher, BB it. Against a mauler, shoot it in the body.

I also don't like any of the crit blessings on the MG12. Crits are too random on a slow firing precision weapon, and frequently just results in overkill. (And when it doesn't, it's messing with your breakpoints in a way where your muscle memory is probably already going to fire a second shot anyway).

[ornate hamlet]

Thats true...

[cyan notch]

low damage and finesse rolls tbh just replace replace whatever until u find a replacement

[ornate hamlet]

You're right, I dont argue that...

But.. how much of a difference does this make if it works?

Im confused

and under the influence of a cannabinoid.

or however you spell it.

[harsh urchin]

mathematically it's good, the problem is that you can't just convert ammo into damage

which is the whole point of automatic weapons like the autopistol or brauto

which means that if you're in a high pressure situation with multiple high prio specials close to you, you may have trouble clutching

[ornate hamlet]

I think someone trolled me then.

Someone told me to put carapace on that.

[harsh urchin]

ye you got rekt

[ornate hamlet]

This person I notice isn't on the roster anymore either.

[harsh urchin]

the stats on deimos matter a lot more than the perks/blessings, I would focus on getting one that has 80% dmg/finesse/first target

and then fixing the blessings after the stats are good

[harsh urchin]

ya, make sure u only listen to me

call me daddy

[acoustic osprey]

i should really unmute the discord or i'd keep missing mentions

rng is awful to me

[hidden crystal]

This is my current favourite MG12 for my psyker. Admittedly, there are blessings that could do more damage, but this Blessing combo does a lot to make up for not having the Vet's ridiculous feats for resisting ranged damage/suppression:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133688552912322580/Kantrael_MG_XII.png

[harsh urchin]

ya marco has the right idea

i'm somewhat certain that the stagger values on kant12 are not high enough to reliably stagger and activate no respite as well.

[hidden crystal]

If I could change it freely, I'd try it with +Elites rather than +Reload, and would possibly trade some Mobility for Ammo... but it's not bad this way. The MG12 already has a lot of ammo, and the high mobility does give you slightly better accuracy on the move.

I did just get this one earlier, but I've not yet worked up the courage to have Hadron ruin it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1139610760528527490/image.png

[harsh urchin]

i think standard flak maniac will be good too

[burnt granite]

Does the blitz stuff on maelstrom effect psyker at all?

[hidden crystal]

Reduced Peril on BBs.

[hidden crystal]

It's not bad against Maniacs straight up, and I think that +Elites would push it to get headshot kills on Gunners/etc at slightly lower Warp Charges.

(At Heresy at least. It might even push it to headshot them at Damnation with Warp Battery/Unleashed and no Peril, but I'm not a reliable Damnation player yet).

[harsh urchin]

once you start doing some 5s you'll start to feel the downsides of the 12 a lot more

the reverse distance damage scaling and the necessity of needing to headshot starts to feel really tough to deal with

[plucky flax]

You'd still want no respite though to kill reaper and bonbon.

[hidden crystal]

I'm entirely happy with Between the Eyes/Ghost for those jobs. If you've got a target with an easy to hit weakspot like a Reaper's head or Beast's back, you basically ignore any amount of ranged fire until they're either dead or your mag runs empty.

(And as a psyker, if I can't see the Beast's back, I'm using BB).

[plucky flax]

True I'm purely basing my opinion on vet. I don't use mg12 in anything but that class. For me it's unarmoured flak and opening salvo no respite for maximum damage.

I think mg12 unable to 1 shot dreg shooter when not playing as vet make it a really difficult choice.

[harsh urchin]

keep in mind he says he does play on heresy

so breakpoints are prob different

[plucky flax]

On vet with unarmoured it has to be in volley fire. So as psyker with unarmoured even in heresy I don't think you can get that 1 shot body shot breakpoint.

Don't have unarmoured high damage stopping power roll on my psyker to test.

[ornate hamlet]

#jealous

[ornate hamlet]

Awww. Baby.

What should I roll for on a las pistol?

[lethal folio]

Flak then unarmoured/maniac/critchance

[ornate hamlet]

and the blessings?

[harsh urchin]

stopping power doesn't affect unarmored. but 80% damage is 255-317 base.
With 6 WC and 10% boost from WU which I believe is additive with each other; that is a 34% damage boost = 341

I believe the unarmored shooters have 400 hp

[harsh urchin]

blessings don't really matter on the laspistol, you care mostly about perks and stats

80 damage, 80 stopping power, 70-80 ammo

[ornate hamlet]

Is the push from las pistol any good? I haven't been able to use it effectively.

Eh. So this one's weak then?

[harsh urchin]

blessings you can take infernus + dumdum; but I would literally rather use one without blessings if it has good stats + perks

[ornate hamlet]

Does the 20% make all the difference in this case?

[harsh urchin]

it affects damage so IMO yes lol

[urban copper]

Hey did anyone else have technical difficulties with unlocking the redemption raiment?

[ornate hamlet]

Given your recommendations, I'd rate this gun a B

[amber vine]

which is redemption

[ornate hamlet]

I'll try it out.

[urban copper]

Pick and Mix I think its penance is called, kill 4 specials with brain burst

[hidden crystal]

On Heresy, with that lasgun (so no unarmoured). I originally tested it with maxed out Warp Charges, but then I thought I should test it with none:

[plucky flax]

Wut heresy is op

[hidden crystal]

Warp Unleashed is still active, but at least at this distance, it drops them in one.

Damnation you can't drop them with no warp charges, but with six charges and 0% Peril Warp Unleashed you can if you're not too close:

And that's still with no +Unarmoured.

And I have no idea where my health bars have gone in the Psykanium. Must be a mod messing with it, but I'll have to work out which one.

[hidden crystal]

Testing it, you can be at about half this distance and still get one hit bodyshots at Damnation with six Warp Charges and WU.

That (fairly) static +34% from Warp Battery and Warp Unleashed is not to be sniffed at.

[hidden crystal]

I'm starting to become somewhat reliable on Heresy HiInts, so I should probably try doing more Damnation.

[meager plinth]

you'll clear auric maels in no time

[thorn cedar]

i am a filthy psyker revolver user and i cannot stop myself

[shadow wigeon]

Is there still low int damnation available? It gets you acclimatized to the higher health pools, but it's easier than a hi int heresy, really.

[hidden crystal]

Well, I went and played a Damnation, and it went well until the end. The Vet and Zealot legged it on ahead, left a load of enemies in the way of the Ogryn and me as we were trying to act as a rearguard to stop a load of specials catching us up. I get hit from behind, the ogryn gets overwhelmed and then the Vet and Zealot just sat in the lift waiting for us to die.

Technically still a victory, (so not saying they should have risked rescuing us), but not so impressive when we had two unnecessary deaths because we completely forgot teamwork in what should have been the last thirty seconds of the map.

It's generally as people have said; Damnation felt like a much smaller jump than Heresy did.

(And yes, the MG12 still held up reasonably well, even if you have to double tap some of the elites you could have headshot at Heresy).

[plucky flax]

Okay so imo just gtfo asap

I'm usually the one waiting at the lift/raptor.

[spice veldt]

i only ever stay behind for lagging teammates cuz I use the trauma

otherwise, I'm booking that shit

[meager plinth]

often a rear guard isnt needed, you can just sprint to the end to finish the match

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'm not too unhappy with my overall performance from the run, although that is a hell of a lot of overkill damage that implies I'm mostly killing things and then having to smack them again:

Second run was a lot cleaner, although my stats are less impressive:

With two rumblers and a revolver on the team, this was one of those missions where I ended up mostly on anti-shooter duty.

While also having to be fairly sparing on ammo.

[vestal stirrup]

What do yo uthink the best blessings for the Accatran MK7a Recon lasgun?

[harsh urchin]

recon lasgun is not considered by most to be very good

if you wanted to use it, I recommend focusing on the perks + stats moreso than the blessings

[vestal stirrup]

What gun would you reccomend using?

[harsh urchin]

On Psyker? Probably the autopistol or staves

[vestal stirrup]

How's this Autopistol?

[harsh urchin]

it's not bad

replace +1 stamina with maniac damage and replace cavalcade with pinning fire

[lyric burrow]

Revolver isnt bad imo but autopistol will be infinitely better

But revo is fun

[strong gulch]

Melk selling garbage again

[harsh urchin]

i mean that's good imo

i'm glad they made the progression moreso based on brunts + consecrating

rather than checking shop every day lol

[plucky flax]

Brunt needs to sell higher modifiers.

[snow coral]

man ever since these server/matchmaking changes I've def noticed some lag issues

[plucky flax]

Game is dead so they probably pay for fewer servers.

[strong gulch]

Fecking gamed trolled me good with the loadout bug.

I had my build loaded in the morningstar to try out a new staff.

LOL. Loaded into a game with a different loadout. That was my last game for the night. No new toy try outs tonight.

[snow coral]

yeah I checked the player stats the other day, ~2500 average players daily

[plucky flax]

Splitting between normal and auric also doesn't help.

But they need to get new classes out soon..

[thorn cedar]

man nurgles blessing really fucks with my shit

[spice veldt]

burgled bosses be like

[thorn cedar]

the specials are the real terror

[main jolt]

you can get 3rd person?

[snow coral]

Yeah, I couldnt' get a full auric lobby today yet

Nurgle mutants are my nemisis so far

[thorn cedar]

we were fighting CS and im doing overwatch. trapper shows up, can't stun it, i dodge. second one, also buffed, cant stop it, nets teammate aggrod by spawn. dog shows up, i ult it before it jumps but it too is buffed and eats me. blessed mutant shows up from behind and scoops our ogryn and smashes him til death

all in about four seconds

[hidden crystal]

Yes, the Perspectives mod gives you a third person mode.

[main jolt]

ah a mod

nvm then

[snow coral]

this was before auric but my favorite down so far was when a mutant grabbed me, threw me, and a sniper shot me mid air

[thorn cedar]

Lmao ive been thrown like a ball into a hounds jump before too

still gets a laugh from me

[hidden crystal]

Well, I quite like it. Lots of people insist you've got to turn up FOV to improve your situational awareness, but I find wide first person FOV makes me nauseous, so I prefer the third person approach.

[main jolt]

im fine with how the game is i guess, plus i am horrible at installing mods

[snow coral]

FWIW mods are very easy to install for DT

[main jolt]

i wouldnt know where to start tbh

i'd just end up placing it in the wrong file and breaking the whole game probably

[snow coral]

I mean yeah I guess if that's your attitude why even try

[hidden crystal]

Installing DT mods is a lot easier than it is for some other games.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, the thing with the initial system, as much as people complained about not always having challenge difficulties available was that it channelled everyone into the same games.

[main jolt]

k bro

[strong gulch]

There's video's on installing mods.

If it's something you're interested in, I believe in your ability to do it. It is tedious at first.

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/tz5nkn @feral verge @kindred anchor

mankar a binch

[kindred anchor]

[feral verge]

:D

[cyan notch]

[cosmic sigil]

true

and well bg3

haven't touched dt in a week

[zealous sierra]

@thorn cedar

[primal radish]

Anyone have a tutorial for staff mouse 1 macros? Or is that not allowed. Maelstrom making me need to tryhard

[still hearth]

How's the Psyker life these days?

[autumn smelt]

i have fallen in love with the surge staff due to the maelstrom missions

that should about sum it up

[still hearth]

Oh no

Not the Lightning

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[still hearth]

I've been so invested in telling people Surge is bad in the past

I can't get over it

[autumn smelt]

why tho

[still hearth]

Because it was bad

[cyan notch]

its pretty good bc of all the omega special spam waves

[fathom adder]

It has never been bad, as long as you understood that you were a melee build with a CC tool

[spice veldt]

i still never liked it because of the target limit

(i also don't like void for the same reason, though it's a cleave limit in its case)

[still hearth]

Right. So it was bad.

[fathom adder]

It was and is an excellent CC tool.

[still hearth]

Sure. And it makes things dance which is fun to watch while everyone else is killing things.

[faint sigil]

usable? put what, flak and unyielding or something on that call it a day?

[ornate hamlet]

I like it, personally I prefer critting with the thing and getting blaze off of it... but that's me.

[restive slate]

Fire Trauma is wonderful

[autumn smelt]

the OH NO message and left strike team message were within the same second

comedic timing

[spice veldt]

completely pro and worth it strat - jumping during a push while blocking moves you faster than if you walk while blocking https://streamable.com/kvwj4k

ignore the peril gen (and my stamina, and all of my block efficiency, and the complete wastage of stamina)

[magic hull]

is this decent for shitty mobility?

[plucky flax]

You have 1 less dodge.

[magic hull]

ưhats that mean?

[plucky flax]

Go to weapon breakdown. I think it's v. Then hover over mobility.

[ionic shadow]

is haymaker the good second perk for a bleed build preacher on the knife? or should i go with a crit chance dodge perk? im just asking cause i saw the sweet ass knife

[hidden crystal]

What's an ass knife?

[ionic shadow]

what is the dueling saber used for and whats a good set of perks for it i feel it does pretty good with a hoard but idk if its good with armour i havent used it much yet

[spice veldt]

the duellies have below-average hordeclear; decent single-target; good mobility/block

they have the Uncanny Strike blessing with an easy activation condition that stacks up to 100% rending (my explanation of rending if you don't know what it is since the game explains about nothing #psyker-class message)

though their base damage is still very meh

if you're bringing out the duellies, it won't be for their damage but mostly for their mobility

and drip

i'm not sure about the duellies in particular, but you generally want +maniac on all of your psyker melees unless you're running a gun with good maniac damage (e.g., autopistol) for the express purpose of killing mutants faster

[young ridge]

Are you doing math again

[spice veldt]

it will be to your pleasure that I don't know much about the duelling swords enough for that to happen

[hidden crystal]

To continue my adventures on Damnation, I have to report that there are still some complete muppets. With two of the team already wounded, let's deliberately trigger the daemonhost.

[ionic shadow]

im about to put maniac dmg on this bitch cause i hate maniacs

[past locust]

This happens at every level of play tbh. People do just be stupid, vastly overestimate their skill, or rely upon being carried.

Then again, sometimes people just have a bad game/session. It happens

[ionic shadow]

also its alright but it felt better than my force sword cause my force sword was a sword i got from like level 25

i just need to farm money now to reroll my shit

i have level 3 unchanny on my sword which seems good rn

[spice veldt]

if it's the obscurus and it doesn't have slaughterer, then yeah it'll prob be the same-ish even if performing the optimal combo on it

[ionic shadow]

i like the illisi

[spice veldt]

same

[ionic shadow]

the special is just a power sword sweep and its just so good

[past locust]

The illisi just feels like a slightly more balanced powersword, and is pretty great yeah

[ionic shadow]

i didnt have good blessings on it either just shred 2 and deflector 3

defelctor seems good untill i realise i dont block much unless im in melee range and then it dosent matter aboout bloocking ranged

i also dont use the infinite block stamina but uses peril perk

[hidden crystal]

Well, Deflector can be quite useful, but it does rely a lot on the combination with Kinetic Deflection (and quite possibly a Stamina curio) to have it be more than a very brief shield.

There is the neat chain where Deflector can go through Kinetic Deflection to Quietitude to actually have incoming fire replenish your toughness.

[ionic shadow]

really?

intresting

i think im not that interested in the perk tho so idk il look for something else to work with

also i just got a profane roll illisi in the shop thats nearly perfect

kinda goated

[zealous sierra]

Why it so hard to keep warp

[spice veldt]

because your character eats them and is an impatient eater

nom

[hidden crystal]

Probably because you're not running any of the feats that helps you maintain them.

[ionic shadow]

just brain burst small guys to keep it up

[stuck finch]

Just pop their mental cherry 🍒

[spice veldt]

if you're impatient like me, you can always sprint-slide while channeling BB and dunk on some random poxwalker in the corner while moving at a brisk 5 m/s (or a little less than that)

[stuck finch]

That's assuming there isn't an Ogryn mowing everything down with a heavy stubber

[spice veldt]

you get a warp charge even if the enemy dies prematurely as long as you've charged to at least 50%

so you only need a 1 second lock on an enemy for a warp charge

[young ridge]

No one truly cares about duelling swords

[stuck finch]

I wish my loot rolls felt the same

[zealous sierra]

Anyone made a only power sword build?

🥲

[north pike]

What is the better staff between Surge force and Purgatus, or just preference ?

[hidden crystal]

Unless you know what you're doing with Surge, then Purgatus.

[ionic shadow]

its just preference, the surge is utility and stuns and the pur-flametrower staff is for killing shit, they both have their uses

[spice veldt]

force sword only? prob illisi + 2-1-X-X-X-X
deflector + kinetic deflection prob mandatory for dealing with ranged if you can't use brain burst/staff

[plucky flax]

It's good when you have to solo clutch.

Just got my ass handed to me by gnolls raid party in bg3.

😦

[spice veldt]

refer to my secret op technique with deflector #psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

I mean, it always comes down to preference, they focus on different things.

Purg is for hordes, but lacks range. The primary has really good stagger but it falls apart on ogryn enemies.

Surge not for hordes. Has the strongest CC and can even stop a mutant when half way charged. Really good against metal armors. Primary is decent.

[north pike]

Surge is bad at hordes, huh.

[plucky flax]

Purga is op in this scab only no ammo pickup mode.

[spice veldt]

horrendous at hordes

[plucky flax]

Just burn all the scab maulers and ragers.

[thorn cedar]

purge annoys me when i cant blue ball the enemy from a distance

[agile acorn]

does anyone have the always attack first mod?

[plucky flax]

👀

[north pike]

I had thought the surge force was similar to Zealot nade on groups, guessing it has a cleave limit?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. It can stun like 6 targets and only really damage two. The damage is weaks against unarmored and laughable on infested.

That being said, when you get a pack of scattered shooter you can stun the feck out of them and close the gap for melee.

[north pike]

Alright, surge for armored lads, flames for everyone else, thankey!

[strong gulch]

Purg is definitely easier to use and easier to manage peril. It is strong enough to have any feats too.

You can build to focus on BB or push your soulblaze even further etc.

[north pike]

I sorta like the electricity for not blinding everyone with cyan clouds

[strong gulch]

It's true.

[snow coral]

That's a mod for the flames, but it only helps your vision

I always blow myself up with surge, I can't seem to figure it out. I do love my void though. Clears hords and can stagger a lot of specials to interrupt them.

[strong gulch]

Yeah.

Peril builds quickly with surge and it builds after casting that can send you past 100%.

[rain saddle]

trauma instant 3 stacks is really good. You can wait for a crit and then swap to a power axe and trash will die just from the 3 stacks very quickly

[strong gulch]

Surge building peril quickly can work well with Warp Unleashed.

Power up your Illisi.

[ionic shadow]

This is real thats the main reason i dont use purg it blows and kills my frames

[ionic shadow]

VOID STAFF SUPREMACY

[snow coral]

I don't remember names, but my void has the blessing to quell on critical hits. My feats are specced towards high peril damage.

I love when I hoard shows up and I can launch charged attacks into then. Aim low to let the power increase, and then aim at heads and I can consistently keep the peril around 80/90 without needing to ult or actively quell.

Then I'm charged up for any specials that drop in with them.

[magic hull]

dude honestly i dont even know. All i see is three stripes and I just think its good enough

[ionic shadow]

Fr dude i love the transfer peril perk it does so mych work

[ionic shadow]

Lol i saw another perk that stacks more bleed on crit hits so you can be permanently applying multiple stacks of bleed at all times, but i really dont know

[strong gulch]

Transfer Peril is the blessing that quells on weak spot hit.

It's satisfying. Launch ball at questionable high peril and then be relived that you didn't explode.

[tacit jungle]

Can the surge staff stop a mutie charge? I just picked it up for the first time ever and I think I did fine on my first mission, other than facetanking the mutant a couple of times xd

[strong gulch]

Yes. Charge half way then you can. Timing can be tricky tho. Stopping a mutant out of position can cause problems.

[tacit jungle]

Huh, pretty sure I had mine charged to full but it just clapped me regardless. I'll do more testing

[strong gulch]

To be fair, it can be inconsistent. I forget which patch, but mutant stunning became fussy after some changes.

[tacit jungle]

I see, thanks, I'll go bully some muties

just rolled this boyo https://i.gyazo.com/821492eea1b6733b1c88b88fc83a1e6b.png

didn't do anything to it yet

[obsidian girder]

the void staff is my favorite because of the meaty crunch it makes when I fire it into a crowd

[strong gulch]

Oh right. The stun happens at the end of the casting animation. So a mutant can grab you mid cast.

[tacit jungle]

ah, makes sense, I might've timed it poorly then

now that you said it yeah, it would be rather obvious

[strong gulch]

Again tho, the charge amount feels inconsistent. So I don't blame you on being confused.

[tacit jungle]

I told my team I'm rocking this setup for the first time so they probably understood why I'm facetanking muties left and right illisi + surge feels so weird after playing 200 hours of obscurus + void

[strong gulch]

Oh I bet. Different beasts.

[snow coral]

Like making popcorn

[snow coral]

I did the same when I tried surge and did terrible. Jumping into a hi shock 5 for my first attempt might have contributed to my inefficiencies though...

[tacit jungle]

I had the foresight to hop on a diff 4 assassination

[snow coral]

I sent this to my friends after that run

[meager plinth]

thats actually really fuckin clever tf

[sage widget]

FINALLY, B-HOP PSYKER

[strong gulch]

This run was so reaper heavy. Regular T4 with 6 reapers just strutting out. 😂

[restive slate]

Holy shit, applies to all force swords?

[spice veldt]

ye, cuz pushing makes you temporarily move at 5 m/s or so

and you'll jump with that speed

[restive slate]

Faster than dodging?

[spice veldt]

nah

at best you're moving at the same speed as while sprinting without stamina

[restive slate]

Ahh

Its an option at least, especially for deflector users

[idle aurora]

Anyone runs psykinetics aura for auric/spec gauntlet? I tried it for 1 mission with 12% cooldown reduction on top, and it felt pretty strong, entire team spammed ults a lot more

[spice veldt]

ye i always do except for monstrosity maelstroms since it's nice to have your ult always up

and to just spam it to use it aggressively

[flat shadow]

What's that one do?