psyker-class

[flat shadow]

killed him instantly

[upper galleon]

[flat shadow]

thank grog

[upper galleon]

Thanks gawain

[flat shadow]

i didnt even see the text i just scroll past weird gifs

i wonder why people do that

[lament glen]

because they have very smooth brains

[fresh reef]

So Maelstrom Damnation is supposed to be impossible right?

this about sums up how well the mission went

[lyric burrow]

Is it just the monstrosity one

That ones doable but hard

[fresh reef]

monstrosity, all scabs, enhanced blitz, shock troop

[lyric burrow]

Combination will be insane in random lobbies

[fresh reef]

nurgle blessing

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thatll be brutal lol

[fresh reef]

some other thing I'm forgetting

[lyric burrow]

Youd need an insane random team

[fresh reef]

yeah, don't think randos are gonna be capable of auric maelstrom

gonna just still to standard maelstrom for the bigger rewards

[spice veldt]

the midevent spawned like 6 monstrosities over time

[upper galleon]

No but you need good teammates/team play, abusing the meta, and general expect to lose or have to carry randoms

[spice veldt]

and that fucking nurgle blessing prevents you from staggering unless you've got impact/power of your own

I got trapped by a blessed trapper because I fell into the muscle memory of just staggering her with my illisi

[lyric burrow]

Does the ult push over blessed enemies

[spice veldt]

hmm

i don't think so, i haven't been paying attention to that

[lyric burrow]

I wasnt sure what counted as power/stagger

For them

[spice veldt]

i tried diving a ranged patrol with a blessed reaper

and i forgot I couldn't just stagger the reaper

so I got lit up

[upper galleon]

Might have to test ult

[spice veldt]

ooh mostly melee enemies maelstrom

[upper galleon]

100% F vs 75%, 50%

Mostly melee = all melee besides specialists

[fresh reef]

I can carry, but I can't carry against 15 monstrosities before we even get to the first data interrogator

[spice veldt]

yeah it's basically a loss especially if there's a chaos spawn

[lyric burrow]

Mostly melee is fun

[spice veldt]

monstrosities are a team check

[upper galleon]

It's very fun, even with all the armor

But you do need anti armor cause maulers bulwarks and crushers are way more common

[lyric burrow]

Ive always liked melee more than ranged anyway

[upper galleon]

Yee massive team check

[fresh reef]

WTB Thunderhammer main 1.5 million ordo dockets

[spice veldt]

i found the all ranged one fun cuz I could just run and dive all the time

[upper galleon]

But here's my line of thought

[spice veldt]

i think bulwarks count as part as ranged patrols

[upper galleon]

Most bad teams will wipe very quickly

[spice veldt]

and I had a patrol of 10-ish fucking bulwarks spawn

i got cocky and got bullied by the bulwarks

[lyric burrow]

Also do people not know ogryn charge/grenades make chaos spawn drop people

[spice veldt]

walking near the chaos spawn also does that

[lyric burrow]

I never see people do it

Dont they just slam them

[upper galleon]

Sometimes you'll get hit with 50 dogs hunting grounds and chaos spawn and horde at the same time with a couple bombers

[spice veldt]

the slam doesn't do any damage

except to non-grabbed players nearby

[upper galleon]

And go from smooth easy mission to wjpe

[flat shadow]

Doesn't stuff like the shovels and combat axes have specials that ignore stagger reduction? I bet that helps

[lyric burrow]

Ah fair

[spice veldt]

green enemies have a straight up -100% impact modifier on them

[lyric burrow]

Didnt think about that lol

[flat shadow]

I remember playing elite resistance as ogryn and being horrified when my shovel punch didn't knock a gunner flat on his back

Can't imagine nurgle blessing

[lyric burrow]

Yeah you probably just wanna kill them before stagger matters

I mean usually you want to

But now you have less options

[near wyvern]

Yeah green flamers are horror

[fresh reef]

man these maelstrom modifiers are crazy

joined quickplay and discovered the new Memory Leak condition

absolutely insane

[upper galleon]

[fresh reef]

jokes aside, that's kinda wack

just queued into quickplay and suddenly my entire pc locks up, then bluescreens

lul

christ, okay

don't use auric quickplay

just had a memory leak so bad it disconnected my keyboard and mouse kek

[steel flame]

It makes zero sense how that works but it's preferable to taking damage during that

[spice veldt]

we had a wipe and the shieldgryn says we need to move slower

mf

and the wipe was because the team got split by a boss + special wave and not because we rushed

[steel flame]

Lol

[steel flame]

Shield ogryn just salty you didn't give him a chance to plant his shield and do nothing

[olive ember]

fucking rushers

always making the useful people clean up for them

[spice veldt]

yeah that's what he legit did sometimes

just planted his shield

[last cradle]

On trauma, does double hit on critical work with secondary attack

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[olive ember]

I love surge on my trauma staff

don't you @spice veldt

[spice veldt]

you love your surge indeed

[autumn smelt]

so i just did my first maelstrom mission

1. that shit is fun as fuck

2. can anyone confirm if theyve had similar results

the weapon i got from that was base stat 371, with two t4 blessings, and two t3 blessings

is this just dumb luck or do maelstrom missions guarantee high stat/tier weapons?

it was an auric maelstrom mission btw

[autumn smelt]

it was just dumb luck

how sad

imagine if auric maelstrom missions did that tho

an ensured weapon with 370+ stats and highest tier of perks and blessings rolled on it

[hidden crystal]

It would be a disaster.

Loads of people who were nowhere near up to it trying to play the missions to farm loot.

There's a strong argument for taking the approach of having the challenge difficulties provide the exact same drops to keep them just about the challenge, not the rewards.

[echo turtle]

that’s a good point

[plucky flax]

Well I want more plasteels. 😦

[spice veldt]

hunting grounds is really making me feel that lack of finesse on my illisi

[lunar hollow]

elaborate

[restive slate]

2% finesse?

[spice veldt]

attack speed

[restive slate]

Captain Arcotash to the rescue

[spice veldt]

it's a small change, but man does it feel slow when 10000000 hounds are pouncing in succession

[lunar hollow]

whats the finesse on ur illisi

the difference is probably like 3% attack speed at most

[spice veldt]

72%

prolly

[lunar hollow]

nope

[spice veldt]

but every little bit matters

[lunar hollow]

thats like

1%

[spice veldt]

shh

1.7% or sum shit

[lunar hollow]

ur doing like the placebo effect

[spice veldt]

actually less

no

[lunar hollow]

but in reverss

reverse

it wouldn't realistically matter

[cyan notch]

get his ass

[spice veldt]

u never know

[lunar hollow]

i do know

[spice veldt]

maybe there's 1 out of 100 hunting ground games where it does matter

[lunar hollow]

but i play on the shitholeistan ping

so like

im gettin no-regged no matter what

[lunar hollow]

there isnt

im sorry

[restive slate]

Josho getting pounded nonstop

Pounced*

[cyan notch]

[unique tiger]

Should I switch unarmoured to crit rate?

[plucky flax]

Can go maniac or unyielding too.

[unique tiger]

Does purgatus stacks work well on monstrosities?

[plucky flax]

Not that good against monsters but strong against bulwark/reaper.

[unique tiger]

Maniac seems better than unyielding, but I'm thinking that more damage doesn't scale as well as more stacks.

I wonder how much faster a maniac will die when he's crit vs with +25% maniac.

[plucky flax]

It increases burn damage too.

[unique tiger]

So it'd be like 11 goes up to 14 at the most and then crit will be 22?

Hmm, I wonder how many stacks a maniac will have when it dies...

[brittle timber]

is this worth getting from melk?

[plucky flax]

Personally I have maniac flak on mine.

[idle aurora]

since you don't need to change blessings and can swap both perks, yes, that's close to top tier stat wise

get 5% crit chance increase and 25% vs flack

[brittle timber]

sounds good thank you

I got one good thing from Melk so now I have no more luck for the rest of my entire life

[idle aurora]

Maniacs where mentioned above, IMO flack is much more common so it's better to burn them down faster, and then just nuke single maniacs with special heavy force sword attacks

Is block efficiency % on power sword affecting how much peril you get while blocking?

[slate sun]

I put crit power on mine - seems to work quite well

[slate sun]

if you don't have the blessings yet then definitely

it's a great stick apart from the quell speed

[spice veldt]

crits on the Purg staff do like 1-2 extra damage

in case you don't know, +crit/weakspot dmg only increases the bonus damage from crits

so if you do 10 normal damage and 12 damage on a crit, +10% crit damage means that you do 12.2 damage on a crit

and it only affects the direct damage of the purg

[lunar hollow]

crit chance is way better than crit damage

since ur using crits on purg to get the double stack application

[slate sun]

but it's the same way with any other bonus, e.g. if you have 10% against elites it becomes 10% higher right ?

[slate sun]

can you explain a bit ?

[spice veldt]

you also have to keep in mind that only a quarter of your attacks are critting at best

[lunar hollow]

crits on purg apply twice as many stacks as normal

[spice veldt]

every weapon has a base crit dmg multiplier

[lunar hollow]

which is why warp nexus is useful at all

DOT is based on how many stacks of it you have active, and the more stacks the more damage (it scales in some weird nonlinear way)

so it basically ramps ur burn damage up quicker

[spice veldt]

so with my previous example, you're only getting 0.2 extra damage on a crit from +10% crit dmg

[slate sun]

god I'm such a noob ... I thought nexus was all about the % crit damage only

[lunar hollow]

lol

[spice veldt]

the game doesn't explain it at all so don't sweat about it

[lunar hollow]

its ok a lot of this game isn't explained unless you get someone to look under the hood and stare face to face with the spaghetti code

or have 1.3k hours like i do

bunch of tooltips flat out lie, some guns have mechanics that aren't ever explained, etc

generally speaking crit and weakspot damage add absolutely abysmal amounts to ur total damage numbers

so generally speaking you want damage vs specific armor types, or in special cases like purg crit chance

[slate sun]

that's the general tendency I have noticed already

though it is very counter intuitive

all other games enable crit build on one point or another

[spice veldt]

crits are so insanely crippled in this game

[lunar hollow]

i don't particularly mind there being minimal support for 'crit builds', since i think that gets into a type of gameplay i don't really care for in a horde shooter like this

but a lot of the crit build stuff for the various classes is just new player traps

[spice veldt]

crit blessing sucks, weapons have shit base crit chance, most weapons have shit crit dmg multipliers, crit dmg falls off after the first target hit in a swing for most weapons

[cyan notch]

arco has 2x this number

[lunar hollow]

he doesn't

[spice veldt]

I think it's like 1.5k or 1.6k

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[lunar hollow]

i don't particularly mind any of this since like, realistically crits should probably only exist on the weapons that have like crit bonus stats or special interactions to begin with

like the crit chance blessings are cool. the ones that do anything besides crit chance and interact with crits need to be completely rethought

[spice veldt]

hmm yeah but crit blessings at the very least should be good

[lunar hollow]

half of them are

[spice veldt]

like bloodthirsty

[lunar hollow]

like crucian n stuff are fine

its the ones that do something on crit that are all fuckin bad

[spice veldt]

and it's a way of essentially increasing single-target dmg

without boosting hordeclear too much

[lunar hollow]

bloodthirsty needs to be brought back to the drawing board

[hidden crystal]

As far as I know, it works out that whatever proportion of your stamina a block would have taken (say, 40% of your stamina) is quartered (10%) and then added to your Peril, up to a limit of 97% peril.

So, yes, block efficiency does affect how much peril is generated, but it's arguably somewhat underwhelming because Kinetic Deflection gives you a butt-tonne of block anyway (particularly if you're a nutter like me and stack it with +3 Stamina). So not a complete waste, but not something I would actively seek out on a force sword or curio.

[lunar hollow]

since its trying to encourage u on all the weapons with a special attack besides illisi to get stuck in to something for a boost after it

but a singular crit like

ain't it

really what i would probably do

is make bloodthirsty give attack speed with a cooldown on it

after a special hit

see the problem i have with bloodthirsty is it's fucking stupid on illisi

because if u suggest anything that works on the other weapons that get it, it will probably not work on illisi since the only risk with hitting the special is peril cost

[slate sun]

thank you for the knowledge guys, I'll go un-break my build

[idle aurora]

Thanks, i was thinking about completely swapping my curious, atm have full hp stack, but after many many runs i have a general idea that hp stack isn't really helping me overall, and the damage i do take is usually because my thoughness got broken in the 1st place, and extra hp just ate that damage

I'll try 2 thoughness + 1 stam curio, and deflector

[raw token]

if you use kinetic deflection i dont think you really even need stam curio personally

[hidden crystal]

Toughness has some limitations - some attacks instantly break/ignore it, and there's always melee chip damage, so despite regenerating it's not inherently more resilient than HP. (Although you are resistant to some stagger until your toughness is broken). But it's worth trying it both ways.

[raw token]

wasnt there some sort of problem with stacking tougness regen speed? heard about it somewhere not sure what the problem actually is though

[spice veldt]

it was an old bug where they fucked the calculation

so if you had 1x +30% tough Regen, you got 130% toughness Regen. All good so far

but if you had 2x +30% tough Regen, you got 130% + 130% toughness regen

I think that was it

it was quite a while ago

[raw token]

so it was op?

[spice veldt]

ye

[raw token]

i heard it was bad must be something else

[spice veldt]

oh it was really bad before

[raw token]

why

[spice veldt]

the bonus it gave was lower, and

OH YEaH there was another bug back then

I think it only affected the delay after which coherency Regen kicked in before

and not the rate of toughness regen

[raw token]

oh ok that makes more sense

[spice veldt]

and then they buffed it which led to a period of that weird stacking and it being op

[lunar hollow]

arco did u see my psyker curios

[spice veldt]

no

[hidden crystal]

Well, KD is based on what proportion of your stamina the hit would have eaten, so +3 Stamina does double your effective block with a force sword, which puts you well into the realm of being able to completely tank any melee trash while reviving someone. (You can also soak a load more ranged fire if you do have deflector).

It also means that if you're already running at high peril to begin with, your remaining peril goes further.

Also, force sword pushes are awesome, and being able to spam loads of them in a row is amazing.

[lunar hollow]

look dad im a real toughness user now

[spice veldt]

I'm proud of you, son

[lunar hollow]

❤️

[raw token]

yeah true, its just that i main duelling sword so most of that doesnt apply to me other than the revives, so i would rather have more toughness for tanking ranged fire and melee enemies are never a problem anyway

but yeah with force sword i can understand it

[hidden crystal]

Actually, I suppose your choice of melee doesn't matter while reviving. But it does effectively put you at 8 Stamina while reviving ("no weapon" appears to be +4), which results in a hilarious effective 40 block.

Shooters, specials and elites can still screw up a revive attempt, but no horde can break that.

And being able to tank ranged fire is neat too. (Although arguably if you're running Kinetic Deflection it's nice to be able to channel that Peril into Quietitude, but blocking shooters can still fill up your peril quite fast even with the extra Stamina).

[raw token]

yeah and duelling sword mkV at 80% mobility and 60% defences or vice versa is such amazing survivability that most of the time you can get through a horde barely even blocking any hits so stamina would most of the time go wasted for me

on a side note that same sword is op for fighting daemonhosts

but maybe force sword is too because of high block?

[spice veldt]

mainly the dodges for force swords

[raw token]

oh yeah keep forgetting they have no timer now

[spice veldt]

at 80% defence, the mkv duelling swords has a base block cost of 0.33

so it has that going for it against daemonhosts

[lunar hollow]

my sword can duel

[spice veldt]

force swords are boring and have a base block cost of 1

[raw token]

its mainly the dodge length for the duelling sword

if you time it when they hit you

you go flying

and can just kite forever

[lunar hollow]

no

[raw token]

does that hit the 15.00 dodge length?

[spice veldt]

and u are not a good boy

I fuckin corrected that in my text box when I sent it

God damn discord mobile

[cyan notch]

[spice veldt]

if ud otn know then u don't need to know

shush

[lunar hollow]

wow does this mean i am

[spice veldt]

yes

[lunar hollow]

hey uh

this thing tells me

[raw token]

no there should be a number at the top of that screen somewhere

[lunar hollow]

the dodge limit is 4

hrmmm

[lunar hollow]

[raw token]

oh yeah there you go very nice

[cyan notch]

electronic role playing

[raw token]

what do you guys think is the best on a duelling sword out of uncanny strike shred and rampage?

i know its a combo of two of those 3

[lunar hollow]

you have to do a push attack to activate rampage

[raw token]

just not sure which

[lunar hollow]

i like uncanny/shred

[raw token]

do you really?

[lunar hollow]

push attack at least on the 5 iirc is the only attack with a high enough cleave value

[whole oxide]

the crit modifiers on dueling swords are pretty insane, so, one of the few weapons where stacking crit makes sense

[lunar hollow]

to activate rampage

[cyan notch]

6

all of em are 6 cleave

[raw token]

ah yes youre right

rampage only works on very trash enemies

it cant even cleave more than 2 gunners

[ornate hamlet]

Mobility and defenses overlap with each other and fortunately it picks the highest or some other fucking math idk

Since both of them affect dodge count

I vaguely remember a weapon that has 6 dodges because of it, but maybe I'm gatekeeping gaslighting guybossing myself

[mild kestrel]

hello i have a qustion how do i complet Malleus Monstronum ?
becase if say i want to do this on a DH how cad i do it without louking on my ?

[hidden crystal]

To do it with a Daemonhost, you need someone else to trigger and tank it. Shield Ogryn is the ideal. (But then, it's a private game only penance, and you really need a full team anyway to stop bots attacking the boss, so if you've already got that a volunteer should be easy).

However, if you can't find someone who's up to tanking it, then the next choice would probably be a Beast of Nurgle, as those are easier for the rest of the team to stay reasonably clear of while you're dealing with it.

[lyric burrow]

Pretty sure shovel does

My shovel has 6

[fresh reef]

blazing trauma is really, really fun

ayo

rare instance of Hadron not completely bricking a good roll

[lyric burrow]

I should try blazing trauma again

I just got so used to warp flurrying hordes

[raw swift]

is there a way to get this UI back it was so much better

[fresh reef]

not to my knowledge. I'd kill for a mod though

[raw swift]

fax man the current UI just looks cartoony and goofy

[hidden crystal]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a mod that does that.

Or something similar.

[ornate hamlet]

?

[dawn crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077894650423152701/1138646658587045958/image.png

How do I roll this

[frozen osprey]

@lunar hollow

[whole oxide]

probably Exorcist to Unstable/Deflector, and Unyielding to Maniac

[lunar hollow]

@frozen osprey

[frozen osprey]

gay

[lunar hollow]

true

[lethal raptor]

Not unarmoured?

[whole oxide]

i mean, neither is great, ideally want maniac/flak

but how often are you meleeing an unyielding?

at least unarmoured can help you chew through bruisers/stalkers

[plucky flax]

On deimos you don't really need flak. Maniac+carapace is a very good combo too.

I'd keep unarmoured though for horde clear yeah.

[lethal raptor]

I do stab a reaper from time to time

[loud parrot]

its not perfect but it is close lol

[inland sand]

I would honestly take Flak on that over crit

It already has a very high Crit rate with LVL 4 nexus and 80 in Crit bonus

That is a god rolled staff on modifiers though

[fresh reef]

Beloved preserve me, I'm using the shredder

and actually enjoying it

[strong gulch]

Rest in peas first target.

[boreal wave]

So I finally went ahead and put deflector on my force sword. Remembering some of the advice I've heard in the past, I put block efficiency on my curios. I gotta say I'm a little disappointed. I remember people saying you could just stand there and tank daemonhosts. I don't really see it.

Am I missing something?

[whole oxide]

Deflector blessing has nothing to do with demonhosts

if you want to tank demonhosts, its the feat Kinetic Deflection you need, and even then you're better off just spamming dodge, since force sword has infinite dodges

[past locust]

Kinetic Deflection is the one you need.

[boreal wave]

Yes, I have kinetic deflection.

Sorry, didn't mention that because I thought it was obvious.

[past locust]

Block cost reduction/efficiency/whatever tf it's called in this game is nowhere near as useful in the past games

And yeah, you won't just be able to tank hosts without moving/dodging at all, and Deflector only helps with bullets

[boreal wave]

But with kinetic deflection, deflector (and its block efficiency) plus my block efficiency curios, I still can't really tank a demon host. At least, not for very long at all.

[whole oxide]

you're not really supposed to stand still and face-tank like a shield ogryn

[past locust]

Tank is the wrong word really, whoever told you you'd be tanking like a shield ogryn was sorely mistaken.

[boreal wave]

Deflector, as I understood it, allows blocking ranged and gives a boost to block efficiency.

[past locust]

The boost to Befficieny is incredibly slight though

[boreal wave]

Hmm.

[past locust]

Practically negligible

[whole oxide]

you mitigate most of its damage with dodging, the blocks are to fill in the gaps you don't successfully dodge

[past locust]

And you get a lot of gaps when a daemonhost is spanking you unless you're using a knife

[boreal wave]

Yeah that's about what I expected. I just wanted to test out the "hype."

[hidden crystal]

I think I heard they changed the daemonhosts so it wasn't quite so possible. In any case, doing it required basically maxing out block efficiency and Stamina (as KD scales with your stamina), and quelling every single chance you got.

Between Deflector, KD and a single +3 Stamina curio though, you can tank rather a lot of gunfire, or an entire trash horde while reviving someone.

[near wyvern]

Block efficiency helps but only a little. Kinetic Deflection scales off from max stamina. With +9 stamina you can do memes like this: https://youtu.be/l_ol8sMQQDc

But as other say:

• this does require to learn the attack patterns and behaviours of the Daemonhost
• it is really a meme, you only need one +3 stamina to res within a melee horde with Kinetic Deflection

[hidden crystal]

So, as someone who mains gunpsyker, and has barely played staff in ages, I'm assuming the best I can reasonably extract out of this is to swap Surge for the best version of Warp Flurry I have available for it (currently T2, alas) and Sprint Efficiency for... what?

[near wyvern]

Stacking more than +3 stamina curios is just overkill cause you can dodge the Daemonhost around indefinitely if you just have the space around you

[near wyvern]

Yea surge into Warp Flurry 4 and sprint into +unarmoured. Transfer Peril 4 is not that vital.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I figure it's got a shot at being pretty decent as and when I can get T4 Flurry.

I've had it sitting as a grey in my inventory for ages (I think I saw it in the store), waiting for a crafting overhaul, and while this isn't quite the overhaul I wanted, I figured it was time to give it a shot.

Think I may need to master quell cancelling or code a macro before I actually try it in a high level mission though!

[strong gulch]

Luckily, quell cancelling the void's M2 is easier than M1 quell canceling.

It's hand intensive either way.

[broken carbon]

you can, but it’s best if you also are dodging around cover to put space between you and the daemon

[broken carbon]

you don’t need quell cancelling at all for high level missions

it’s nice but not necessary

[near wyvern]

Don't macro it.

• it's better to learn it to muscle memory so you have more flexibility
• flurry is broken every time you cancel so you would only really benefit from the macro with nexus spirit...
• and even with nexus spirit low charge spam is awful DPS, makes for a nice firework show tho

[broken carbon]

i mean if it looks cool, isn’t that all that matters

who cares about actually killing anything when it just looks pretty

[near wyvern]

But you mainly need it to swap to BB hands. You can shove off around a second if you quell cancel before you go for BB hands cause Void RMB is missing the animation chain to BB hands

Even more important if you use kinetic barrage, quell cancel -> ult (cancels the swap animation) -> straight to BB

[fresh reef]

the fuck is this

[hidden crystal]

Maybe not, but it's still useful to be able to M1 spam every now and again.

[autumn igloo]

Pub T5 maelstrom. duo thiccbuss. beefsteak orygn frontline + with surge staff (pysker)

[hidden crystal]

As is, I've seen there's a "No ammo pickups" condition for Maelstrom missions, so it's also a decent time to try to sort out a staff.

[fresh panther]

I played a no ammo, mostly melee maelstrom yesterday and had top damage with a purge staff

Definitely glad I brought it lol

[patent steeple]

btw, i dunno if its just me misunderstanding the naming conventions between code, ingame and tooltips, but i have been using the Toughness DR (kinetic shield) feat on psyker because of two reasons:

1. i got confused about whether or it functions off of warp charges (code calls it souls), or peril (code calls it warp charge) because the tooltip says the DR is based on warp charge, but i remember it once saying that the DR is scaled on peril (idk how/why they made the tooltip potentially use the code term)...

2. i am in need of the toughness DR sometimes when facing walls of shooters or a group of trash mobs that get too close and peril-blocking is not enough because i also need at least 50-60 peril at minimum constantly before i use purg staff right click to get the dmg boost from Warp Unleashed...

[harsh urchin]

block efficiency sucks.

[hidden crystal]

As far as I know, it's based off Peril, and they keep reverting and not proofreading the description.

[last cradle]

What is quell canceling?

[fresh panther]

Typically you can only cast your m1 or M2 spell with a staff so quickly because there's an animation that plays between casts, tapping reload to quell briefly will interrupt it and let you cast again earlier

Makes a significant difference on m1 attack with all staves and a noticeable difference with M2 on most staves

Any staff you may want to quickly fire off minimum charge m2 spells it's worth learning on

[lyric burrow]

I find it much harder on trauma than void

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/zcINF72qAdY

[near wyvern]

That's because the void makes your staff move extremely fast to the left so it's an easy visual cue

[last cradle]

Thx that was informative. Does anyone know if trauma staff has t4 blazing spirit, is been rolling for days

[hidden crystal]

It does not.

On the Trauma, Focused Channelling is T2 only, Run&Gun and Blazing Spirit are T3 only, and Surge is T4 only.

[viral solstice]

quell cancelling is known as "quancelling" by experts. it makes ur gameplay easier, and this is known as "quancitative easing"

[last cradle]

That sucks, wonder why 4 stacks of soulblaze was too much

[plucky flax]

Because fartsshart

[viral solstice]

soulblaze on staves only stacks to 6 anyway so its kind of cursed

[steel flame]

I really really hope we get blazing spirit 4 at some point

Can't fathom why they are holding out on us

[raven marsh]

how much does burn matter on the purge staff? is it the main piority stat or?

[blissful radish]

burn is the main effect

[raven marsh]

aighty

[spice veldt]

'Burn' affects how fast Soulblaze stacks are applied (presumably) and the maximum amount of stacks that the purg can apply, so it's fairly important

'Damage' doesn't scale that much, and the bulk of your damage will come from Soulblaze

[raven marsh]

ah I see

im torn between my higher warp resistance and my higher burn-

aaaagh why can't I just have both-

okay so burn 38 compared to burn 60

I assume it's better to take 60 every time despite higher warp resistance?

[harsh urchin]

just use whatever you want lol

if you're not level 30 it doesn't matter

[spice veldt]

prob higher burn if you're comfortable with managing your peril

purg is one of the staffs that I don't particularly care about the warp res of as long as it's good enough

[raven marsh]

I'm pretty good at managing peri

the platypus

[spice veldt]

for reference, a 0% warp res staff will generate 43.69% peril overall (22.5% for the channel, 21.19% for the cast); a 100% warp res staff will generate 28.94% peril overall (17.5% for the channel, 11.44% for the cast)
(Assuming that you're fully charging)

[raven marsh]

holy maths-

[spice veldt]

don't look away

[raven marsh]

nah just

I got a miracle staff-

high resistance

AND

high burn

okay everything on this staff rocks

except quell

but it seems to not have that much of an affect

[spice veldt]

if quelling from 100% peril to 0%, the difference between 80% and 60% quell speed is like 2.37% peril I think

2.73% peril

12.31% peril quelled per tick from 100% peril at 80% quell speed
9.57% peril quelled per tick from 100% peril at 60% quell speed

(where a tick happens every 0.25 seconds)

[obtuse moth]

as long as you're not running flurry

[obtuse moth]

when you get to max level, open up the weapon breakdown and hover over the burn stat to see the max stacks of burn, if you're at 15 you're already maxed out of what is currently possible

[snow coral]

didn't know about quell canceling, makes the void even better

[echo turtle]

So, I have been using the shredder with kinetic flayer

wow

it procs when you want it to, SO MUCH

[harsh urchin]

yes

it is very strong

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah you really need a weapon with high amount of attacks to get full value out of the 15s cooldown. Shredder is also good because you're usually shooting something you're happy to get some free chunky damage on,

[echo turtle]

indeed

today I have been running axe/shredder

It’s beed going extremely well

I miss having a force sword for quick heals and infinite dodging with deflector, But the axe is just so solid

The shredder must have the nerf hammer coming due, that thing is legitimately insane

[lyric burrow]

its been pretty insane for months now idk if they are going to change pinning fire

which is what makes it busted

but we will see

[upper galleon]

shredder wont be nerfed, pinning will

shredder is like, completely shit without it

maybe you could run IB 4 BA 3?

[steel flame]

game has zero chill

we started out chasm logistratum maeltrom mission with monstrosities and nurgle blessing
immediately got a nurgle blessed full strength plague ogryn
along with 6 snipers and all the specials in the world
followed by a second full strength plague ogryn before the first one had died
followed immediately by 3 weak slugs
and 8 bombers
we hadn't even made it to the first health station yet

hell we hadnt even made it past the big gate right at the start

[urban hearth]

Had a run yesterday where about 15 bursters. 15 mutes and 15 snipers spawned in at the same time

Absolute madness

[snow coral]

I'm starting to wonder if I should run a wound curio for the auric maelstrom missions

[faint sigil]

how hard is it to roll perfect trauma these days? looking to move off of surge now that the green men are immune

[spice veldt]

fairly difficult, since the stats on trauma matter quite a lot

charge rate and blast radius are the two notable ones

and in addition to that, there's getting the ideal perks and blessings

for me, my ideal trauma is Focused Channeling + Warp Flurry + Unarmoured + Flak + 60dmg/80 everything else, and I have not gotten that

this is my best trauma staff after 1k hours, though I have some hours before the mat buffs and I split my money into illisis as well https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1135437559728705576/image.png

[wheat acorn]

perfect

[ionic frost]

more character slots when?

sorry, haven't played in a while...the changes look slightly promising tho

gonna do some house-sitting tomorrow and play on a 4090 =)

on a 4k 120Hz TV

if nothing else...it'll look amazing

[autumn smelt]

is unarmored fine on illisi? im aware the warp attack will basically one shot everything unarmored, but does it hit any breakpoints on the light attacks?

[ionic frost]

it's good for ascendant blaze breakpoints

change sprint efficiency to flak or maniac dmg

maybe uncanny for slaughterer

[autumn smelt]

wdym

[autumn smelt]

yeah i was already planning to do both

[autumn smelt]

of these

[ionic frost]

4 burn stacks can kill shooters if you have unstable power+enough peril+perk against them

might need the feat that boosts dmg with peril, i don't remember

[autumn smelt]

wait, the perk of the weapon youre holding affects damage you deal from other sources?

[ionic frost]

yes

[autumn smelt]

i mean i never use ascendant blaze, i just dont really vibe with it

but thats cool to know

[spice veldt]

+unarmoured will make it easier to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage of the heavy-special (esp with unstable power)

[autumn smelt]

i assume the ideal would still be maniac+flak tho right

[spice veldt]

yeah that's my ideal (if not running a gun with good maniac damage)

[ionic frost]

depends on your goal

maniac will help u kill ragers/muties easier

but unarmoed/flak will let u kill shooter groups easier

[autumn smelt]

i p much use the illisi for everything that isnt my purgatus build, that where my deimos goes

[spice veldt]

+maniac will make it easier to two-shot mutants with special attacks without requiring both to be weakspots and/or heavies (with Unstable Power)

[autumn smelt]

mostly just because its an easier "oh shit im not in a good situation" than the deimos imo (despite how much better i perform with the deimos by comparison)

[ionic frost]

different functions...i like both of those force swords

obscurus needs a buff tho =)

[autumn smelt]

ye
purg doesnt have good burst damage so thats what the deimos is for with that build
all the other staves dont have as good melee/closer range horde control, so i use the illisi for that

[ionic frost]

yeah me too

[autumn smelt]

but the quick swap oneshot stabs are just dopamine

[ionic frost]

i like it for the dodge speed/distance =)

[autumn smelt]

does the deimos have a better one compared to illisi?

[ionic frost]

yep

[autumn smelt]

i feel like thats the case

despite the unlimited dodges of both

thought so

[ionic frost]

illisi is same dodge as obscurus

deimos has superior dodge

[autumn smelt]

ive ruined my ability to play zealot by playing psyker

[ionic frost]

nah

just run antax or Raxe

[autumn smelt]

i fuck up so often cuz i keep hitting the dodge cap and get my cheeks clapped for it

[ionic frost]

with shredder =)

[autumn smelt]

thats what i use

rashad

[rich pike]

Hey so how do you do the warp battery penance?

[autumn smelt]

i dont have a shredder for them, but i have a pretty good braced autogun

[rich pike]

I can’t seem to get it right

[autumn smelt]

only brainburst

[spice veldt]

are you maintaining your warp charges for 300 seconds continuously?

[ionic frost]

@rich pikeyou can hold RMB to charge up a brainburst without firing it...press left click to shoot it

[autumn smelt]

also use the feat that gives kills in coherency a chance to give you a warp charge

i got it the first time i tried for it

[ionic frost]

I did that challenge back when all warp charges disappeared at once =D

[autumn smelt]

just keep solely using brainburst until the achievement shows up

[rich pike]

Thank you lol

[autumn smelt]

yeah they last for 25 seconds

[rich pike]

And I can do it on malice? Cuz I heard someone say that it’s bugged or smth

[ionic frost]

i assume your problem is allies stealing the kill...pre-charging with RMB will help with that

idk...i haven't played in 4-6 weeks

[rich pike]

Wait the charge just has to be 100% right?

[autumn smelt]

it takes like 1 second longer tho, but that doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of that penence

[autumn smelt]

warp charges

not peril

[rich pike]

Que es eso?

[autumn smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1107734453654134834/1112272163085500426/ezgif.com-optimize2.gif

what

[rich pike]

What’s that?

Warp charge I mean

[autumn smelt]

.... have you played psyker before?

[ionic frost]

you need to maintain 4 or 6 warp charges for 300 seconds...depending on your level 25 ability.

[rich pike]

For a grand total of 8 hours. Yes

[spice veldt]

you get warp charge on brainburst kill

[autumn smelt]

and youve never read their abilities?

[rich pike]

Ohhhhh that

Ok ok

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[rich pike]

I was very off lmao

[autumn smelt]

now do you see why we were like... youre having a problem with that? they last for nearly half a minute...

[rich pike]

Sorry lmao

[ionic frost]

basically...make sure you're always ready to branburst a groaner/poxwalker if you have to to maintain 4/6 charges =)

[rich pike]

I’m not very intelligent

[autumn smelt]

dont worry

neither are we

[ionic frost]

speak for yourself =P

[autumn smelt]

we're too busy blowing up everyone elses brains to have some of our own

[ionic frost]

I haven't played darktide in 4-6 weeks...doesn't that make me the smartest here in the past 4 weeks? =P

I do like the changes I read to curios tho...that'

s lovely

I still think they should let you modify 1 equipped weapon attributes by 1% for each damnation mission completion tho...0.2% for a sedition mission.

need that 0% warp resist deimos =P

[slow raven]

would be great if we can improve the weapon attributes in the future, but they would never allow it to be non-rng lol

[autumn smelt]

i understand the logic behind low warp resist but like

i just hate it still

i had a really good illisi with low warp resist

3 charges to 100

and i felt like i needed a shower after it

[slow raven]

you usually dont start from 0 though

like 50-99%

or thats how i use it anyway, feels bad to let peril fall too much when youre running warp unleashed and unstable power

[rich pike]

I got it done first try

It’s almost as if when you know what you’re doing. Shit gets easier

Wish I could be this smart all the time

[ionic frost]

glad we could help =)

I had to do it when you went from max charges to zero...

@rich pikeis Niko the name of your cat/is that your cat in the pic?

[cyan notch]

that is not his cat

[plucky flax]

No that's my cat.

[cyan notch]

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

i hate the stagger bug for psyker's ult so much

also, mutants seem to have their pre-fix corner-tracking ability again

[cyan notch]

deflector on top

[plucky flax]

What bug?

[spice veldt]

two instances of bullshit here: the mutant basically coming out of the closet the moment he makes noise, and the mutant not having its tracking broken https://streamable.com/nw65j5

enemies sometimes don't get staggered by your ult if you ult while you yourself are staggered

I keep forgetting about it, so I sprint into ranged enemies

and since getting tagged by ranged attacks while sprinting deals light stagger to you, this bug happens

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/mrjm31

the homing beacons are back online

[faint sigil]

gimme the lowdown on focused channeling vs rending shockwave

[spice veldt]

it's primarily my personal preference, but my rationale is that rending shockwave has questionable utility if your teammates don't know about it

and it requires you to have good teammates who may be of questionable quality

focused channeling prevents your cast from staggered; in my case, it prevents ranged attacks from staggering you while you're sprinting

this means that I can just sprint-slide all day into ranged enemies, or hittrade with my HP if that situation ever arises

or not getting staggered by melee attacks

it's the little brother of zealot's TWBS

[restive slate]

I did not know focused channeling allowed you to sprint without getting staggered

[spice veldt]

(only while casting the RMB)

[restive slate]

I assume only with the weapon out though

[spice veldt]

it's fairly conditional, but I still like it for that

[restive slate]

Ahhhh specifically for rmb

[spice veldt]

ye

[restive slate]

My friend just started Psyker and in two missions went from level 2 to 10, if only he knew how long Psyker leveling took last time

[plucky flax]

I think from 20 to 30 is much longer now.

Cos everyone total levels went down.

[urban hearth]

do the muties in mutie waves have less health

i feel like im killing them in much less hits

[lunar hollow]

they do

[urban hearth]

yeah i was sure i was killing them with single charged plasma shots

but i couldnt be sure if someone else was damaging them first

[restive slate]

How does that work?

[plucky flax]

They change the level up rate.

1-20 is faster than before.

But 21-30 is longer.

[short vessel]

Fellas

I am tempted

[plucky flax]

Rip perks tho

And I don't think you want to keep executor so you'll be able to change 1 perk only.

[short vessel]

yeah true

prob not worth it

damn you melk

[blissful radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079235834777186406/1132931660661407774/8mb.video-2x9-hOuPgvE0.mp4

muts do not follow rules most of the time

[lethal folio]

That mutant fast turn is replicable. It happens consistently if you dodge behind terrain.

Must dodge very late or stand at an angle before dodging.

[autumn igloo]

Slaughter im jealous

[shadow wigeon]

I never even thought to try sliding while holding RMB, I just assumed that wouldn't work. That's so weird.

[slow raven]

you can also quell

or charge a brain burst

[hidden crystal]

There's a painful number of "only useful if your team know about it" feats and blessings that could really do with a UI overhaul to fix.

Also the odd "completely screws over your team without telling them" feat. (Glares at "Camo Expert").

If Brittleness had an associated visual effect, it'd be quite a lot more useful.

[gilded radish]

how and why do you have soo many wounds

[blissful radish]

solomod

[gilded radish]

ohh

[ornate hamlet]

AAAAAAAAA THE PINGS

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pain-gif-25934677

[wheat acorn]

whats a good psyker feat setup

[olive ember]

What staff are you using

[wheat acorn]

well rn im only level 10

lol

[olive ember]

Oh it’ll depend on staff uh

[wheat acorn]

im going purge staff tho when i get it

[olive ember]

Probably something like 3/1

Purge staff starter build would be 3/1/1/1/1/1/2 imo

And then you can swap some stuff around once you get used to it

[wheat acorn]

cuz me no like losing missions to either hordes or a surplus of elites

is wrack and ruin not good?

[grizzled iris]

Trauma staff superiority

[wheat acorn]

[wheat acorn]

brah that staff is gross to me as my opinion

like sure i can see the pros

but i feel like it doesnt have that oomph that surge or purge has

cuz surge is great at stunning for a split sec and purge is well... purge lol

[grizzled iris]

Pros: Chad, CC, Dmg
Cons: ?

[wheat acorn]

your limited to a blast radius lol

that blast radius is the biggest con

sure if you get it 80% its great

but you gotta take the sec to full charge it no?

i havnt seen how fast the charges can be so i cant say that with confidence

[grizzled iris]

One day maybe you will see the light

[wheat acorn]

maybe, but for now im set on purge staff when i unlock it

but idk a good melee i should use

i was thinking demios sword but idk

[olive ember]

It’s a meme

[grizzled iris]

Deimos goes well with trauma and purge, illisi for the rest

[olive ember]

Alright it’s better than a meme nowadays but the other options are pretty much always better

[wheat acorn]

Fair enough

[wheat acorn]

Yeah. But sometimes i just wanna cleave a hoard when its my last ditch effort. But i see why you would want a psyker sword for those bigger heretics

[olive ember]

Basically tranquility lets you spam staff more and warp unleashed is just better damage

[grizzled iris]

You always go warp unleashed

[olive ember]

Imo both these options always better than 4 stacks of warp fire on BB

[grizzled iris]

Tranquility = Skill issue

[wheat acorn]

Yeah i see that

[lyric burrow]

True but you have unlimited cleave within that blast radius and it also knocks over crushers

Unlimited cleave in the circle allows for potential of like 20 kills per slam and warp flurry reduces charge time a ton

Purge is still better for horde clear i would agree

[grizzled iris]

Purge is better at killing the horde, but not controlling it

[lyric burrow]

I would agree to some degree although just killing a horde before it needs to be controlled is a very good option

Admittedly unless its a really good spot for trauma i just illisi or deimos to clear hordes

Trauma can also unintentionally screw over your teammates which isnt really a staff problem but something you don't have to worry about with purge users

[lyric burrow]

I use it on my revolver build but yeah the only spot where its actually useful is ogryn packs

Cant get it going on anything else

[grizzled iris]

So... skill issue?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats why i said its not a staff issue lol

[grizzled iris]

Trauma can screw your team over if you aren't good at using it

(Not saying that you are bad with it)

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i know

[grizzled iris]

Its the same with surge staff

99% of people don't know how to use it

They go into a game, they spam right click throughout the entire mission and end up with 100k dmg at the end of the mission with everyone else at 300k+

bUt My Cc BrO

[lyric burrow]

Really if you just dont put enemies behind me i think your doing fine

Fine enough for me

[lyric burrow]

But yeah some people think they are killing things they are hitting when they arent

[whole oxide]

purge staff is the ultimate form of that. "i made it blue, that means i killed it"

[strong gulch]

Trauma needs really high rolls to be good. What you get below lvl 30 is garbage.

Surge is good even as a low roll white because it does its base job out of the box.

It being the first staff that can be unlocked is criminal. I didn't even play with it until way after leveling because of how bad it felt.

That being said, it can still be gross to you after you get a good one. That's valid.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah you do need high radius and charge time

[stuck finch]

recommended blessings for voidstrike?

[strong gulch]

The usuals are Flurry + Transfer Peril or Nexus + Blazing Spirit.

If you find that you like M2 quell canceling though, that breaks flurry stacks.

[stuck finch]

okay that's weird it says I have MK.IV warp flurry but it doesnt show up in blessings

[strong gulch]

That's odd.

Blessings are staff specific. Maybe you got T4 flurry on a different type of staff?

[stuck finch]

ohhh maybe

thats dumb

[strong gulch]

It's annoying for sure and kinda confusing.

They aren't different mks of the same weapon type like force swords or dueling swords.

[whole oxide]

except Void and Trauma are both "Equinox" which is even more confusing

[strong gulch]

TRUE

[patent steeple]

the weapon manufacture name (such as Equinox) has no association with what weapon type it is.

in this case, Void and Trauma are the names of the weapon types, and thus they do not share the blessings since they are considered completely different weapon types in game code...

[whole oxide]

yeah, I know, doesn't stop it being confusing to people

[patent steeple]

my writing above is probably what Potato meant, but i still wanted to make it clear

[spice veldt]

and only a single mark of each existing staff weapon family at the moment, which doesn't help anyone's intuition

🥲

gimme the other marks of trauma pls and to increase their pool relative to guns

[patent steeple]

its probably stay that way, unless fatshark add, for example, a different mark of surge into the game that has a single-target lightning bolt charged attack...

i just realized BB is that already...

[whole oxide]

what would different Mks of Trauma even do? bigger area less damage / less area more damage?

[spice veldt]

it would be interesting if they stick with a single variant system for staffs, though such a system would.be frustrating with how blessings are shared

[spice veldt]

that'd be my assumption

[patent steeple]

or maybe some kind of slowdown/high stagger explosion? its called "Trauma" after all...

[spice veldt]

I'm not sure whether our current staffs are the medium/heavy ones so I'm not sure about how thw other staffs will work

our current trauma is the "Equinox"

and it does like physical-ish stuff like the voidstrike

so maybe a nomanus(lightning) or a fire trauma as well?

[whole oxide]

one that you don't detonate and instead just "hold" under targets for constant ticking damage, would at least be sufficiently different to be interesting

probably wouldn't be good tho

[spice veldt]

yeah depending on how much stagger and whatnot it jas

or for a different type of staff that isn't the trauma

maybe a slowdown effect for such a staff

[patent steeple]

you stole the idea that i suggested already!

[spice veldt]

MINE

at least, our staffs aren't the light variant presumably since there are the voidstrike/Purg skins in the docket cosmetic shop with a shorter and slimmer handle

or they'll just stick to a different pattern than the light/medium/heavy one

[lunar hollow]

one day arco will have a staff he can actually lift

[spice veldt]

shut up

[lunar hollow]

❤️

[patent steeple]

ye, although that could be a dev error because the ogryn power maul has a different model for the docket cosmetics skins compared to the default one...

same goes for the vet and zealot bolter and probably a few other ones too if i have understood correctly.

[lunar hollow]

guess what

those are just different weapons they haven't released

its very incredibly likely considering thats what happened with illisi skins for obscurus

iirc

fatshark has been like incredibly loose with the stuff in the code for unreleased weaps/cosmetics

[patent steeple]

fair point, actually...

also, what perks are best to have on a non-Blazing Spirit Trauma?

[cyan notch]

keep it in yalls pants

[spice veldt]

I typically run +Unarmoured (to one-shot Dreg Bruisers w/o Warp Unleashed or Warp Battery or a high enough dmg stat) and +Flak (for all the usual flak elites and to hit a two-shot BP on Dreg Gunners)

but I've been considering another perk besides +Unarmoured since I run Warp Unleashed all the time anyways

[lunar hollow]

sprint efficiency

[spice veldt]

quiet yourself

[lunar hollow]

😦

[steel flame]

Did the hot fix patch the fucked up load outs? Or did they forget to fix that....again

[versed tiger]

I need some opinions on what to run on curios because I can't decide what is good for a psyker 🙈

[steel flame]

Toughness and toughness Regen speed for high peril builds

Health and toughness Regen speed for builds that dont use staves or generate much peril

You always want toughness Regen speed

[versed tiger]

good to know. I like using soulblaze and I love my lightning staff to clarify.

[steel flame]

I prefer having max toughness on my lightning build along with quietude and kinetic shield to maximize the value I get from toughness with how easy it is to stay at high peril with zappy staff

[plucky flax]

Run whatever you're comfortable with. I run max hp possible. I have 261 hp I think.

[spice veldt]

i like at least one gunner res, since while Gunners and Reapers aren't a large portion of a ranged patrol, they do shoot continuously and will track you through a dodge (so they'll hit you the moment your i-frames are up if they're still volleying)

depends on whether you like to walk into the open whenever gunners or reapers are alive though

[plucky flax]

I also always run deflector so I have triple sniper resist instead.

[versed tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremiah-johnson-robert-redford-nod-of-approval-yes-you-got-it-gif-3521589

[steel flame]

With how the new auric modifiers are going so far

Ive got plans to invest in a set of poxburster resist relics

[blissful radish]

any ideas what I should replace? Got me a lucky gun, time to shooty as a psy

[lyric burrow]

Ghost with no respite imo and flak to 25% flak

[plucky flax]

Rip stopping power.

[rich pike]

It’s my name

Yeah I never skip a convo

[sudden isle]

blessings and perk combos for surge staff?

[lyric burrow]

Nexus/flurry and flak/crit chance

[hidden crystal]

Eeeh, the Stopping Power may hurt on that one. I would test your break points. If it needs Flak, keep flak, but I found with my high Stopping Power one that Unarmoured helped with some breakpoints. (It has poor Maniac Damage though, so the +25% Maniac will help there).

As far as Blessings, I would personally swap Opening Salvo for Between the Eyes. Ghost/Between the Eyes is a really good combo for improving your resilience to return fire, given we're not Veterans and can't get toughness back on ranged kills. It does mean not getting quite as much damage, but being able to tank ranged fire (and actually accurately return fire) is an important part of playing a knock off veteran.

I have used the Vraks in the past, but my gunpsyker's current main marksman rifle is this MG XII: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133688552912322580/Kantrael_MG_XII.png

[lyric burrow]

Xii is def better

[hidden crystal]

And that Blessing combo is an important part of being able to pretend to be a veteran and pick off crowds of shooters.

[blissful radish]

personally like using bullet than anything laser

that's just me tho

[hidden crystal]

I'd probably still use the Vraks if it had better maniac damage.

[blissful radish]

yea

[hidden crystal]

It would also help if I could find one with better damage rolls that Hadron didn't ruin.

[willow escarp]

it’s true that the lasguns don’t feel very good to shoot

[lyric burrow]

I enjoy the las guns

Mk4 is my favorite

Need to get one for my psyker soon

[willow escarp]

the carpal tunnel one?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[willow escarp]

the xii is real good, still confused why it has that much ammo

[lyric burrow]

It is not balanced

I dont think they realized how much damage it does so shooting 3 bullets per shot does not matter

Esp when vet gets it back per elite kill

[willow escarp]

yeah when it can one shot shooters

[hidden crystal]

If it was better against Maniacs, the Vraks VII does have really accurate hip fire and can be rapid fired quite effectively (or you turn on the auto fire mod...) so can be used against hordes in a pinch.

[lyric burrow]

And it one shots elites lol

So you essentially spend like 1 bullet in a 800 bullet mag

I dont think ive ever had to pick up ammo with xii

Unless it was a map of all shooters and nothing else

Even the mk4 isnt that bad on ammo but you might need to grab some here and there

Helbore is another one i never grab ammo with

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/y1vf95

[harsh urchin]

arco, how much do you value toughness regen?

mathematically, since it isn't a linear stats, the most return you'll get on it is 1 or 2

cuz since it affects both the delay + the recovery rate

[spice veldt]

i'd say it depends on how aggressive you're playing and the lvl5 feat that you're running
I'm currently running warp absorption, which is doing great for me (for the most part)

I have been running into toughness issues against bosses

where I really would've appreciated some extra toughness regen from coherency

[harsh urchin]

getting 30% bumps both the delay from 3s to 2.3s; and the recharge rate by 30%

[lunar hollow]

megamind looking into camera with the caption "no kinetic deflection?"

[spice veldt]

shut up mr no kinetic shield

[lunar hollow]

you know the rules

[spice veldt]

i've decided to slap a single +30% toughness regen on my curios

[harsh urchin]

but going from 30->60%, takes the delay to 1.875 and recharge rate from 1.3->1.6 which is a 23% improvement

which is also quite good

but going from 60->90% sees a much lower ROI

[spice veldt]

yeah, there are those diminishing returns

[harsh urchin]

cuz it only lowers delay to 1.58s and improves the recharge rate by 18% or so

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/fy7kc8

autopistol for scale

[harsh urchin]

so realistically, it seems like 30% or 60% are best to sit on

what do you think

[spice veldt]

maybe check instances where you were missing toughness and see if some extra toughness regen would've helped

seems good

since I've decided to go for 30% toughness regen cuz I keep getting my ass whooped by cspawns without stam/kinetic deflection

[harsh urchin]

I'm doing research on curios and the game is much more bullshit than I thought LOL

[spice veldt]

extreeeeeemely bullshit

[harsh urchin]

did you know that apparently if snipers punch through toughness they always do 122.5 damage to hp

[spice veldt]

yup

[harsh urchin]

so only vet can fully block it to toughness

[spice veldt]

as a psyker who doesn't run hp or sniper res, I have felt it many times

[harsh urchin]

yar I'm redo'ing my curios

with mathematics in mind

I want to be able to survive a sniper one shot from 1 wound

[spice veldt]

if you have +5% hp and 2x 20% sniper res, you can survive two sniper shots... with 0.7 hp of leeway

simply be a god gamer

[lunar hollow]

very helpful for all those times where i have an otherwise flawless run except for two unrelated sniper shots

[harsh urchin]

Here's my psyker notes so far:

[lunar hollow]

happens to me very often

[spice veldt]

f ogryn

[harsh urchin]

So far it seems to me like going all in either toughness or hp makes you really really fucked lmao

150 hp is very vulnerable to pox

[spice veldt]

i've considered replacing a toughness curio with hp, but I have become very stubborn

i think 150 toughness might be good enough esp if I gain +30-ish hp in exchange, but eh

[harsh urchin]

ya the main thing is that

hp mainstat curios roll to 21%

but both hp and toughness substats roll 5%

[spice veldt]

so toughness side perks and hp main perks is what you're gonna gun for

[lunar hollow]

toughness is the only mandatory curio secondary perk

[fresh panther]

You're one hitting mutants without headshots? Very impressive

[spice veldt]

mutants of the mutant wave have 40% of their normal hp iirc

[fresh panther]

Ahh I see I have yet to see the mutant waves maelstrom

[spice veldt]

is very spooky

especially if a hound wave spawns alongside it

[lunar hollow]

i've never completed one because i keep playing maelstrom missions the way i do normal hishocks in a premade and that has resulted in uh

the Consequences.

https://streamable.com/b0wnz6

[spice veldt]

the monstrosity maelstroms are real ass busters

[lunar hollow]

including me dying to the first poxburster that fucking spawns

[spice veldt]

krill issue

[lunar hollow]

because i chose the worst spot to propel myself with a poxburster

[harsh urchin]

wait so inner radius does 75 damage?

[spice veldt]

inner radius deals 50 dmg and 50 corruption
outer radius deals 65 dmg and 35 corruption

[lunar hollow]

me when the hammer no regs and i have 2 bonbons both next to me

[harsh urchin]

how does the corruption spill over?

why is the breakpoint 150 and 165

srry i am stupid

need this explained

[spice veldt]

np

so basically if you're at full hp, the inner and outer radius will take 100 of your hp away

so with 165 hp, you are reduced to 65 hp; and the outer radius will knock you down (but won't deal enough corruption to full-kill you)

[harsh urchin]

oic

so you are hit by corruption first

and THEN hp

so if you're 150/150; you go 100/100, then 50/100

[spice veldt]

ye

[harsh urchin]

whereas if you're 100/150; corruption hits your max health first

so you go down to 50/100

[echo turtle]

Praise the emprah!

[spice veldt]

god bless inspiring barrage

[harsh urchin]

inspiring barrage is gr8

[spice veldt]

internet issue

[lunar hollow]

this is a sensitive subject please have some empathy 😦

[echo turtle]

its amazingly good

I have a similair one on my zealot but my cavalcade shredders feels like it does a lot more damage with my psyker

I am wondering how much cavalcade is adding to DPS, or if it's just wizard power

[harsh urchin]

not a lot lol

[lunar hollow]

autopistol has a doodoo ass crit modifier

[harsh urchin]

consider that a crit is 1.14% more damage, and 4 shots crit when you crit

[echo turtle]

my cavalcade had +10% crit damage as a perk though

[lunar hollow]

cavalcade is basically just worse than blaze away for all purposes

[spice veldt]

so there's an interesting case if you have >150 hp but not enough hp where getting hit by 1 inner radius and then 1 outer radius will completely demolish you, because you take a bunch of corruption (50 + 35 = 85, requiring >170 hp to avoid getting a wound corrupted) and a bunch of hp damage (100 + 65, requiring >165 hp to avoid going down/full-dying)

[echo turtle]

so, significantly better than the base modifier

[harsh urchin]

you end up getting about 4% more damage

[harsh urchin]

yep, so that makes a better case for my hp curio then

cuz normally I never get hit by poxwalkers

[echo turtle]

the toughness regen for the psyker with that is clutch

[harsh urchin]

but there have been games where you unexpected get tossed and just instantly die

[echo turtle]

gotta use that with an illisi to always have regen available

I was liking the axe, but kept dying to getting surrounded by shooters, which a deflector Ilisi can deal with

[echo turtle]

so much

[spice veldt]

mutants make me very sad

[harsh urchin]

that's why I really disagree with people who say you don't need sniper resist

cuz maybe it happens very rarely

but sometimes you don't dodge and the run just ends

[spice veldt]

my only reason to not run sniper resist is because I'm a little greedy goblin

[echo turtle]

is a third 20% sniper resist worth?

[harsh urchin]

depends

on your hp

[echo turtle]

also, I am hearing with KD, a stam curio is often worth

[harsh urchin]

is the 3rd sniper resist helping you hit any breakpoints against snipers

that's the main thing

[echo turtle]

I mean, its not like you get sjniped with a statis amount of health

[harsh urchin]

correct

[spice veldt]

resistances stack multiplicatively, so a third 20% sniper res will give you +12% more DR (36% DR to 48.8% DR)

[harsh urchin]

but for example; if you have 150 base health

[echo turtle]

yeah, maybe go for a second gunner resists then eh?

[harsh urchin]

you'll have 75 hp after a revive with 1 wound

[echo turtle]

k

[harsh urchin]

if a sniper does 75 damage or more, you just die

[echo turtle]

k

so I have 20x20% atm

[harsh urchin]

how much base hp

[thorn cedar]

i just rip lines of adderal so they can't hit me

[echo turtle]

well, I am changing stuff up

BUT

currently running 55% with a T/H/H set up

so thats like 230ish

[harsh urchin]

ok so 3rd sniper res would reduce sniper damage from 78 or 62

up to you if you think it's worth it

[echo turtle]

eh

gunner resist maybe more usefull at that point

[thorn cedar]

just one sniper res lets you eat two shots at full without a down with two health curios

[echo turtle]

is everyone rolling with a stam curio these days?

[harsh urchin]

This

[thorn cedar]

cause in the end the unfortunate answer is 'dont get shot'

[harsh urchin]

I am. Stam curio doubles fs stam

[echo turtle]

I like having at least 2, as I tend to get sniped when a mutie grabs me or I get tagged by something else

[echo turtle]

I feel like it 3xs it actually

its like 3-4 peril per block instead of 10

[thorn cedar]

im doing S/T/H on Psyker these days and it's going well.

[echo turtle]

do you take KD with that or just rely on stam

[harsh urchin]

I use the toughness DR

[thorn cedar]

ye same

I undervalued toughness

[echo turtle]

yeah, I feel like if I take the stam I can break even with the DR

that DR is on health too

unless they patched it

[harsh urchin]

I think toughness and hp are both really good lol

[spice veldt]

the DR is on the toughness only

it was just that it applied to ranged and melee damage

[echo turtle]

Kinetic shield used to to health and toughness I though

[spice veldt]

but they decided to just fix the description instead of fixing it on ranged/melee dmg

[harsh urchin]

No it was always toughness only

[spice veldt]

I don't think it did to my memory

[echo turtle]

oh ok

[thorn cedar]

Either way speccing Toughness was easier than I thought. Just one and a +5 with KS is plenty.

[echo turtle]

so yall are running Stam/Health/Toughness?

[spice veldt]

i'm personally stacking 3 toughness cuz I'm greedy

[harsh urchin]

right now i'm running stamina/toughnes/toughness, but i'm gonna swap to S/H/T I think

[thorn cedar]

I've been working on my magic 130 effective toughness number on all classes (except vet ob) and to me thats the sweet spot.

[spice veldt]

I do run into stamina issues against the chaos spawn

[harsh urchin]

yar

[echo turtle]

I used to do that, but I found that health really staves off corruption too

[spice veldt]

and I have the trauma to supplement my lack of stamina against ragers

[harsh urchin]

+3 stamina helps a TON when you need to run away or blocking bosses

[spice veldt]

i simply hope that my teammates don't pick up grims

[thorn cedar]

Or push more than once lol

[harsh urchin]

btw here are my notes on psyker curios so far

#psyker-class message

tell me if you have any feedback

[dense trench]

hello is anybody willing to give me some tips how to get the cliffhanger penance ?

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/cssg2d

[spice veldt]

I personally got that penance at the finale of Vigil Station Oblivium by pushing enemies off of a bridge

[harsh urchin]

HP curio and 2x sniper res to push us out of oneshot range from poxwalkers and snipers

[spice veldt]

you're a terrible person

[thorn cedar]

Oh I'm like way out there for my Curios. I'm experimenting a lot right now since Perk rolls are selected and we can roll two, so my ideas are beginning to shift more.

[lunar hollow]

😭

[dense trench]

ty

[thorn cedar]

But I just did the last two Auric Maelstroms with x3 sprint, x3 block, one corruption, and two toughness, on S/T/H

[harsh urchin]

ye new maelstrom missions are hard lol so i wanna optimize where i can

[spice veldt]

there's also a narrow bridgeway at around the start of Chasm Logistratum (ammo raid) off to the left where you can just sit on and knock enemies off if a horde decides to spawn

[dense trench]

yea i tryed that but i think you need to walk some distance for next horde to spawn i was sitting there for a while and only mutants etc spawned

[spice veldt]

yeah the maelstroms are really making me reconsider my anti-boss options

[thorn cedar]

The thing for Psyker is that I think I'm going to ultimately end up with two sets of Curios, one for Force Swords and one for everything else. Because a Force Sword just opens up so much ridiculous utility and survivability.

[echo turtle]

For toughness reduction vs stam

if you take Kinetic shield over Kinetic deflection, you need a stam curio. So, you are losing a out on a 17% toughness curio. It seems to me like the difference between the two is a bit of a wash

[harsh urchin]

I don't have any non-fs loadouts lmao

fs is just too op atm

[echo turtle]

Axes are also great

[lyric burrow]

I am def a toughness regen stan

[spice veldt]

though kinetic shield will grant +11% to +49% effective toughness depending on your peril

[lyric burrow]

Think i have +30% on all 3 curios

[dense trench]

anyway thank you for your tip i will try Vigil Station Oblivium

[echo turtle]

you can get regen thru warp kills so easily, the base regen does little for us

[thorn cedar]

Wait KS gets to 49%? >.>

[spice veldt]

if you divide by (1 - 0.33)

you get that number

[echo turtle]

it modifiers your effective toughness aswell

[thorn cedar]

I got no way to reliably test otherwise but I'm specced so that the base 10% it states suffices for me and everything else is bonus

[echo turtle]

realistically though, you aren't running perils that high when you really need that DR