psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

At least it seems to be at or close to the cutting point of when shadows disappear when you're at the mission board and walk around a bit

And the local lights map seems to not affect some indoors lights, because I could swear the entrance to one of the rich area missions, the one where you drop from a window into a red carpet and have to go down a corridor, had some really good shadows for what otherwise was a whole 128 on local lights

In theory it's supposed to govern dynamic lights, flashlight shadows and non-sun stuff

There are also some cool variations, like dynamic shadow distance, non-casting distance and static shadow distance

And if you start uhhh

I think it's

I don't remember the mission, fuck it

[spice veldt]

consignment yard?

[ornate hamlet]

I think it's the funny elevator one they added

[spice veldt]

ascension riser?

[ornate hamlet]

And so you start at one of those makeshift airpads and have to pass a big fucking door to enter the rest of the map

Yeah

And before the door, there's a bunch of lights in the distance

I initially had a limit on my non-casting, and turned out that screwed with the distant lights

[spice veldt]

i set it really low to test it out and it basically eliminated light sources from stuff like lamps and all that

[ornate hamlet]

Lowering static shadow distance kills lights like the ones the guard NPCs stand on in the Mourningstar, and if set to a value like 0.01 it just makes everything dark

Dynamic is pretty safe because I guess it doesn't really matter much when the map is small anyway

Make the map small enough and you can't even see your own shadows anymore

[gloomy gulch]

So I have been running quietitude on everything. I completely forgot about warp absorption lol. I assume this is pretty good for like purg and trauma?

[hidden crystal]

I've certainly heard people talk enthusiastically about Warp Absorption on Purgatus.

Not really tried it myself.

[spice veldt]

i've been enjoying warp absorption with trauma + illisi very much

https://streamable.com/vcg0ry

[gloomy gulch]

I assume that soul blaze also counts as a warp attack?

[autumn smelt]

the more i play psyker the worse i get with other classes lmao

i tried my zealot once after a hot minute and was going down as often as a malice player who dared to enter hi5 shock

[hidden crystal]

When I went back to my veteran, I had more than a couple of moments of "Oh right, I can't block an entire horde while reviving people".

[steel flame]

I've been running it on my fire void build and as long as my fire is going I'm tanky as hell

[slate sun]

Guys does warp resistance actually matter on sticks?

it seems like a very irrelevant stat

[spice veldt]

I much prefer high warp res on Trauma and doubly so if I'm running warp flurry on it

since wasting a few milliseconds on quelling or being unable to continuously get blasts off can be the difference between having to kite/taking a hit or not

and because I generally stay at high peril and play very loosely with peril management, I prefer to keep my peril gen low unless I'm having trouble with ranged enemies and I'm running Quietitude

though I run warp absorption nowadays, so being able to reach high peril very quickly isn't necessary for me anymore

[slate sun]

I'm asking because between 61% and 74% resistance it amounts to 0.64% difference in peril generation

will need to run some tests but it doesn't seem to be a lot overall

[spice veldt]

is this for the voidstrike?

[slate sun]

No 😄 thankfully I learned how to play with the purgatus, so it is about the fire one

With the voidstrike the stat seemed even more irrelevant tbh, with transfer peril ofc

[spice veldt]

the warp res on purg seems to affect both the charging process and the casting process

i assume that the Secondary Action Peril Generation is how much peril is generated each time it ticks while casting

a 40% warp res staff generated like 17% peril for the casting process, and an 80% warp res staff generated like 13%

but yeah I'd expect battle meditation to reliably proc on the purg

so it's whatev

[lyric burrow]

At that point im happy with anything above like 50

[slate sun]

it just doesn't seem that much of a difference between min and max

[lyric burrow]

Somethings make a big difference

This is not one of them

[slate sun]

🙂 thanks

[spice veldt]

the casting process of purg seems to generate peril every 0.25s, and it lasts for 3.25 seconds (13 ticks) from a full charge, though my framerate was inconsistent so my measurements might be off

so from a full charge, multiply the Secondary Action Peril Generation by 13 to figure out how much peril you generate for the cast

with a 0% warp res purg, that would theoretically be 1.63% * 13 = 21.19% peril, and for an 100% warp res purg, that would be 0.88% * 13 = 11.44% peril

[slate sun]

When we realistically travel between 6x% and 7x% it just seems a very ineffective modifier, other stats look much more influential

[spice veldt]

despite me having put my peril right at the center of my screen, I personally don't look at my peril all that much (I also blow up a lot. I'm sure it's a coincidence).

so if I know that it'll take me 3 full charges to reach 100% peril, then I know that I only need to look at my peril once every 3 casts

having that minimum set of expectations is very nice for my mental load

with 2x +20% sniper res (78.4 dmg), a single +5% hp perk (157.5 hp), and assuming that you're a god gamer who doesn't take chip damage, you can survive two sniper shots with 0.7 hp remaining

[spice veldt]

if only sniper shots factored in toughness even if it breaks it

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1naetd6i5cZBmc/d1337r690G1t?invite=cr-MSxSWlYsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

dodge this

[spice veldt]

🥲

even if I hear snipers, my reflexes are too bad to react to them

the timing on it is like 300ms, which is at the very tail end of my ability to react

i can't wait to play this game when I'm old and have to stack 3 sniper res

[thorn cedar]

thats what u get for not unnetting first

sniper just enforcing good gameplay rules

[spice veldt]

my own death at the hands of a sniper

https://streamable.com/x7d88g

snipers doing the tf2 sniper shit of hiding their laser/dot is such bullshit to me

[viral solstice]

ive had a couple of instances in last 2 days of what happened to my bro there

no laser no sound

just straight

"im announcing my presence by giving u an involuntary trepanation"

[spice veldt]

warning shot mfs

i guess the design is that you're supposed to be able to visually see the sniper, whether it's by their green eyes or their laser, and the sound cue is just to let you know when they're going to shoot

and since you're already primed to react to them, the strict sound timing isn't that big of a deal

but BOY are snipers good at hiding their lasers

[viral solstice]

i mean theres not even a warning in the first clip

the sound that plays begins at the same time as his brain leaves

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[viral solstice]

and i cannot think of that happening until quite recently

i have thousands of clips of them doing weird shit but there its not just weird shit - like the old classic was they would spawn, they wouldn't have acquired a target, they would stand there with the laser going into a wall, then they would acquire their target and begin the shoot action at the same time which is the old u got 0.3s to dodge thing

but this was straight up

u ded

[spice veldt]

i know it can happen if you're not the intended target but you accidentally walked on the same street as the person being targeted https://streamable.com/zprjje

i really did feel that sound cue

[thorn cedar]

i had one yesterday on hourglass. we finished the midevent and take the elevator up to the top

a sniper spawned during the ride

it stayed down in the midevent but was sniping us anyway through fifteen floors

hilarious tbh

just a deadly laser sliding across the dirt scoping out targets like akiras space laser

[spice veldt]

i've seen a video of people on a certain section of refinery delta just getting assblasted from a sniper shooting from the floor below

absolutely terrifying stuff

it hasn't happened to me, fortunately

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i don't mind snipers generally but when they dont work its really obnoxious

Like oh yes i will just lose 75% of my hp thanks

[upper galleon]

i heard the sniper call out voiceline so obviously skill issue /joke

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[upper galleon]

years of playing tf2 has me paranoid about snipers

you never know when one will be in the cheesiest spot to ruin your day

[cyan notch]

train your reflexes old man

[spice veldt]

i think i'll have to cut my nerves shorter

[spice veldt]

there's this corner with a chest in the area right after excise vault's midevent where a sniper will hang out, and it's just one of the weirdest motherfucking spots ever

since when you first go there, the sniper will be in his standing state, so if you're just taking a glance, they're easily missed

and when you face your back to him for whatever reason (such as to deal with other enemies), that motherfucker can snipe your ass from the back

[upper galleon]

my sniper horror story is when in chasm station assassination, I thought I was being cleaver by going around some pillars to attack a sniper from behind with my sword

only for the sniper to 180 point blank shoot me right before my swing connected

[spice veldt]

i have taken shortcuts with dealing with snipers and have been fortunate to not have that happen to me

since I'm always scared of getting staggered by a melee hit and then the sniper conveniently firing his shot during my stagger

[cold geode]

If i use essence harvest in combo with quicken will i get 60% toughness back or it it still just 30%?

[errant condor]

Get in the habit of dodging to the side whenever you hear that audio cue, (singular) Snipers are pretty easy to avoid with dodges and I've found that the timing on reacting the the audio cue almost always lets you dodge the actual shot

[spice veldt]

just 30% since it doesn't stack

[cold geode]

ahh

[errant condor]

Like I'm just hardwired to dodge when I hear the noise whether or not I think the sniper is anywhere near me lol

[spice veldt]

my reaction time is straight up terrible

since I'm always focusing on other things and it takes a long time (relatively) for me to switch tasks

[cyan notch]

wtf why just dont be 87 years old

[errant condor]

Nah fair enough dude lol I came from PvP games mostly so I'm hardwired to react to audio cues

[cyan notch]

Just React Faster Lol

[spice veldt]

it's significantly easier for me to react to the flash visually, but I can't react to the audio very well

[errant condor]

Melee chaffe couldn't sneak up on me with the Emperor's blessing

[spice veldt]

it's also easier for me to react if I've seen the laser beforehand

since that primes me into paying attention to the sniper

for now, I'm just substituting with experience since I know the spots where snipers tend to spawn and have sightlines of

[errant condor]

Yeah I've made a minigame out of really quickly tracing the laser to find the sniper and brainburst them

76% of the time it works every time

The other 24% I end up on the wrong side of the laser lmao

[spice veldt]

i simply pray and it'll probably be fine until it isn't

[errant condor]

What class do you generally play?

[spice veldt]

i'm a psyker main

I don't run sniper res or HP, so I tend to have a stronger reaction to getting bullshitted by snipers

[errant condor]

yeah thats rough, pretty much gotta find them and then channel burst from behind a wall, you only need to see them for like a single frame to channel burst tho so it's easy enough to clear snipers provided your team aren't glueing down w

I wonder if power sword ranged block + peril tanking perk would let you facetank snipers if needed lol

[spice veldt]

yeah brain burst is nice for that

[errant condor]

there's a perk for power sword that lets you block ranged attacks, idk how it works against snipers tho

[spice veldt]

sniper's shot is similar to overheads in that they ignore your block

[errant condor]

Yeah they stagger like a mf so I assumed it might not work

[plucky flax]

Not unless you're pro and use the catachan sword.

[spice veldt]

the sheer coincidence in that video is the machination of the devil claw propaganda machine

[plucky flax]

[restive slate]

Imagine if Psyker claw sword can parry ranged attacks like a Jedi

[stuck spruce]

with the ability to send back the bullets ? could be cool

[autumn smelt]

guys

its happening

[shy prairie]

my fellow psykers

[restive slate]

Patch

There goes my mods

[spice veldt]

i am a fellow psyker

[shy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-warhammer40k-gif-19712545

[hidden crystal]

I am amused by the number of people who misinterpret "Sibling" as meaning the psykers are all related.

[shy prairie]

pretty on point for 40k

everyone misinterpreting and misunderstanding everything and anything

[restive slate]

Is it canon or not canon??

...YES.

[autumn smelt]

It's slang for your rubber room buddy

[steel egret]

Step sibling help, Im stuck in warp

[hidden crystal]

Sibling, you clod!

[zealous sierra]

still no clue

[near wyvern]

The ultimate meemos has been made

looks cool but no real value with that blessing combo lmao

[hidden crystal]

Blurg. Hadron refused to give me a single T4 perk on consecration for any of the Stamina curios I gave her, so no perfect Stamina Curio today.

[shadow wigeon]

?

[zealous sierra]

Choosing between 2

[shadow wigeon]

Ah, left one. Swap Barrage for Rending (when you get it, no rush really).
Change +crit to maniac or unarmored or anything really.

[slate sun]

can this be saved somehow ?

[zealous sierra]

Now I feel bad for sacrifincg a rending blessing trauma stuff

Might've been a high rating one

[shadow wigeon]

Rending on Trauma is pretty niche The stats, perks and flurry are 95% of the staff.

[near wyvern]

It is beautiful

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah im loving some of these perfect curios

[slate sun]

transfer peril won't work on trauma right ?

[near wyvern]

it works... on LMB

[slate sun]

...

[shadow wigeon]

I have to actually decide on psyker curios now... looks like I've just had a mish mash of things from 6 months ago.
What melee are you using / why do you like stam on psyker?

[hidden crystal]

Alas, this one had two T3 perks that needed fixing, so not perfect yet:

This one would now be perfect if Blessing Rating 75 wasn't still fragging bugged so that it only gave +2 Stamina on missions:

[near wyvern]

I use 1 stam and 2 toughness. The reason is Kinetic Deflection scales with maximum stamina, so with that +3 you can just tank a melee horde and res in the middle of it.

Then when I am running Kinetic Shielding, that +3 is just the extra you need for being able to push a couple times and still block attacks on force swords.

I run Deimos (mutant one shot) with Trauma, Void and Purge, Illisi with Surge and guns.

[hidden crystal]

Extra stamina, particularly in combination with Kinetic Deflection, gives Psyker ridiculous block.

[near wyvern]

yes

[shadow wigeon]

Interesting. I found extra stam overkill most of the time, but agree on the rezzing under terrible circumstances.
I don't use KS but agree I find push does burn stam quite fast on psyker.

[near wyvern]

and one +3 is all you need to get that

[hidden crystal]

+3 Stamina and Kinetic Deflection works out at equivalent to 30 Stamina bars with a force sword.

[viral solstice]

u use 1 stam for one very simple reason. the major strength of the psyker is cardio. his peak physical fitness. his gleaming abs. that stam curio is a statement of intent; it is a sign of sporting prowess. that stam curio is to make veterans feel out of breath just looking at u

godspeed

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[thorn cedar]

u just want to make speed bar bigger don't lie

longer zoomies for ur psykie

[near wyvern]

you don't need stamina to go fast

[hidden crystal]

I'm also stacking it with as much Stamina Regen as I can, because I like shoving hordes around.

[near wyvern]

chaining deimos dodges is faster than sprinting

[near wyvern]

staimna regen unfortunately doesn't affect the stamina regen delay and you only need any % stamina to do the push

so for that use, stamina regen has no effect

as a psyker you want to have +30% toughness regen on all your curios

the rest is really up to you

but my recommendation is +sniper resist if you are not running HP curios cause tertium is full of script kids

[viral solstice]

the class u need stamina regen on is vet

tho i could see using it on psyker if i was going knife and not peril block

i just like stam

but it depends how u use push attack

[hidden crystal]

It does have some effect, because I often want to spam several pushes at once, rather than just one.

And the regen means I'll have several stamina bars available more often.

[viral solstice]

u know what i want for duelling sword

blessings that work by powering up push attacks where the block part of the push attack blocked an attack

would be thematic and quite like a parry without requiring them to swap the special

[slate sun]

Is shred + blazing spirit a valid combo on Illisi? If not then can this be useful in any way otherwise? 😅

[viral solstice]

its valid if u believe in it

(there is no excuse to ever not run slaught but frnakly who cares live ur best life set ppl on fire live ur truth)

[near wyvern]

well this is a fucking disappointment, the maelstrom mission is not guaranteed to be damnation

oh nvm

gotta use the auric level menu

it's for da cool kids 😎

[hidden crystal]

I've got it on two of the three at the moment, but I find pub teams kark off enough that having it on all three means it's sometimes useless.

[slate sun]

slaughterer does seem like the way to go ... I just still believe in crit builds for whatever reason

[spice veldt]

swoosh noises

[viral solstice]

i am pretty sure

that illisi is good enough white

that if u wanna run blazing shred

nobody can stop u

in fact

im going to quickly check white illisi 20 pox

jk need to download 12gb

[spice veldt]

40 pox is like 15 seconds

[viral solstice]

@spice veldt could ug ive me kill time on 20 pox stacked wall poxwalkers with a white illisi

[spice veldt]

am in bed so no exact time

[viral solstice]

ur done

thats it

[spice veldt]

actually I have OneNote on my phone

[viral solstice]

ur out of the will

[spice veldt]

no

no

[cyan notch]

ackghucally i got one note on my phone

let me access the mainframe

[thorn cedar]

but who will inherit the conch shell

[spice veldt]

special heavy is 13.917 seconds on a white illisi against 40 pox (stacked on top of each other)

[spice veldt]

u smell unkno that

[cyan notch]

i smell unknown

[hidden crystal]

Two +30% Toughness Regen does a decent job if the team is hanging together, and isn't too painful if the team's utterly scattered, so I'd like to keep the other slot free for things that I can rely on more.

[viral solstice]

so yeah thats about how long it takes a savage sweep rampage devil claw to kill 20

so

yeah run whatever u want who cares

live ur troof

[slate sun]

What do you think about those guys?
Either one a keeper? If so - what should I change?

My guess is that the right one is better, just refine the perks to either crit or flak+crit right ?

[urban hearth]

LEMME CHANGE ALL FOUR FUCKOs

I MUST BUILD THE PERFECT TAZER

[slate sun]

Thx, I think I'll just keep the + crit and blazing spirit for giggles and add slaughterer

[austere estuary]

pretty nice new patch for what I wanted for a long ass while

not played for a while, Catachan Claws still suck?

[thorn cedar]

They're alright.

[plucky flax]

It's worth it for memes but not as good as slaughterer.

[patent steeple]

which perks are best on a deimos? if you are willing to answer, please note that i can swap only one of my perks because i am using a pre-patch deimos that i already spent a modify on to get deflector long before the newest patch...

my current perks are +8% dmg vs specials and +4% crit chance.

[whole oxide]

maniac is best for deimos, so, I'd keep the 8% specials and move crit change to maniac

[austere estuary]

oh shit, they nerfed kinetic barrage? only 25% faster BB charge now, thought it was more before

[near wyvern]

change crit chance into maniac and you have a beautiful mutant one shot weapon

[slate sun]

any advice on what to change here ? Flurry IV would be better or just the perks to flak / crit?
Please guys I don't want to ruin it 😄
Just spent 10k plasteel and this is the best I got out of it ...

[near wyvern]

+ranged into +flak and warp flurry into IV imo

[slate sun]

so the 8% against Elites is rather useless? I always stuck to it to be as flexible as possible in similar cases

[near wyvern]

they changed the text but timing on a stop watch no change, haven't frame checked cause it's close enough

BB has 2second base cast and 1 second after animation, with kinetic barrage I have time to do 5 blasts, so around 1 second per cast and 1 second after cast animation

[hidden crystal]

Elite damage is okay, as it does apply to a lot of things.

If you're planning on hosing down Ogryns and Bosses with the staff, then Unyielding is potentially useful, but if not Elites will probably be more useful.

[near wyvern]

flak is more useful since all the scabs wear flak, including maulers

25% damage > 8%

[hidden crystal]

Yes, but 8% Elites + 25% Flak would be more again, and usually I'd swap to BB for most unyielding targets. But people may vary on that.

[near wyvern]

for the rest of the elites:

• crushers take no real damage
• reapers are rarely flamed (you already have also unyielding)
• bulwarks have the shield making it hard to flame (and you already have unyielding)
• gunners are rarely flamed and if you do get in reach they are stun locked

dreg rages is pretty much the only thing here that you will be missing on because no +maniac (which is better than +unyielding imo) but with +unyielding you can do 2 full pumps on boss and then go melee to have those flames tick for some nice additional damage at least

[near wyvern]

it's your choice if you wanna drop unyielding, that's a viable way as well

but I would any case roll the flurry into IV since it's so freaking good ot have that full charge in a second

[hidden crystal]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the way things are coded, I think the Unyielding bonus would only apply to DoT while you have the staff out?

[near wyvern]

O.o

[near wyvern]

yes

that's correct

the bonuses that are currently active are used to calculate the damage

[patent steeple]

also, i dunno how i have yet to get Going Out With A Bang even though its only 1 elite killed with the perilsplosion instead of 3...

[near wyvern]

you may find yourself in a situation where you flame the boss just to keep the horde away

but it's all good whatever you decide to go with

[hidden crystal]

So if you're setting the boss on fire and then swapping to something else, +Unyielding on the staff only slightly improves the initial damage, which is generally considered fairly small compared to the DoT.

[plucky flax]

Hishock sniper extra bursters. What's 'enhanced blitz'?

[hidden crystal]

As I commented elsewhere, we're finally seeing the acknowledgement of barrels as an enemy type.

[slate sun]

thx 🙂 still stuck in this decision but it gets me closer XD

[whole oxide]

blitz = grenade, not sure what is meant by enhanced tho

[plucky flax]

Scab bomber instant down you.

[hidden crystal]

From what was said in the notes, I think it means reduced cooldowns.

[whole oxide]

but grenades don't have cooldowns, that's the Ult

[near wyvern]

no idea

[whole oxide]

unless fatshark have done a fatshark and confused Blitz with ult

[hidden crystal]

Ah yes, either I'm mixed up or they are - but reduced cooldown was noted in the dev blog:

We will be introducing Maelstrom missions, which are a set of new Conditions with a mixture of new modifiers and existing ones in many different variations. Most of them will be explained through a string of modifiers. For example: waves of Specialists, hunting grounds, waves of mutants and players have 20% reduced ability cooldown.

[near wyvern]

ahh right

[whole oxide]

literally can't go a single patch without putting wrong description on things

[hidden crystal]

I may be wrong (I've yet to see another modifier name that would definitely be the cooldowns), but that is at least one of the noted Maelstrom mission modifiers.

[plucky flax]

Reduce cd so slower?

20% so about 34 seconds?

[near wyvern]

does not seem to work, still 30 sec cd

[hidden crystal]

I think they mean reduced time rather than reduced rate.

[near wyvern]

blitz skil was grenade if I remember correctly

maybe nades do more damage?

[hidden crystal]

Ah, this comment from the Vet chat might explain it: #veteran-class message

VET HAS 6 GRENADES NOW

[whole oxide]

so does psyker just get nothing?

[hidden crystal]

No idea, I'd make a complete fool of myself in those difficulties.

[patent steeple]

if i wanted to make a surge staff at least somewhat work on damnation, what would be the right perks for it...?

[near wyvern]

ahh yes BB is only 33% peril now

[whole oxide]

not particularly useful....

[patent steeple]

guys, can you please give me some advice on my question regarding surge staff? i kinda dunno what to do with it but am reluctant to just get rid of my surge staff that i fully upgraded post-patch...

[whole oxide]

perks on Surge aren't super important, main thing is to have flurry/nexus blessings

i guess ideally +flak and +crit-chance ?

[patent steeple]

which i do have already rolled on it.

hmmmmm... i guess i could go with some combo of flak, maniac, crit chance or unarmoured...

[thorn cedar]

Surge is good out of the box. The only notable breakpoints are on +Carapace and +Crit with Warp Flurry and a max crit bonus mod on the weapon tilts you into 50% crit chance.

I do +Unarmored just to have an easier time with dreg shooters.

[patent steeple]

with +Crit or something else? also, sorry for the ping, idk if you are actively reading this chat or not...

[tacit jungle]

What would be some top tier perks for curios now that you can do wacky stuff with them? I'm running 2x 20% HP and a +3 stam one with pretty random perks. I've a bunch of corruption resistance which has been aight I guess, I'm also thinking about combat ability regeneration and simply more HP. Any thoughts on this?

[austere estuary]

ah thanks for the clarification

[thorn cedar]

Yeah with +Crit

[gloomy gulch]

Im so poor dang

[thorn cedar]

The thing though is that while Surge does very appreciable armor damage, its purpose is CC utility. And you can do that with a naked gray staff.

So I wouldn't stress about making it super ultra better because it's already great.

[calm sapphire]

maelstrom such a pain

[hidden crystal]

Not spectacularly, no. Shame it's not faster charge-up, that'd be more beneficial.

[strong gulch]

Noice

[gilded radish]

you sure are

[strong gulch]

I'm with you. 🙃

[patent steeple]

ah, so i wasted over 366k (i think so at least, since idr how much plasteel i had, only that now i have less than 600 plasteel left) plasteel on an orange staff that is good even as a grey...

[gloomy gulch]

I am however rich in bitchen weapons

[gilded radish]

what an L

[patent steeple]

that is a somewhat rude comment, but i at least partially agree...

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/15l5jm6/heresey_run_goes_to_shit_in_30_seconds_manage_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[gilded radish]

The cold truth

[strong gulch]

IDK about wasted, but I spend game money on the things I like.

Surge does its base job well, but perks and blessings make it better or nicer to use.

[patent steeple]

bruh i started disliking surge ever since i accidentally triggered a DH through the ceiling on hab dreyko a long time ago, i just wanted to get a maxed out surge to complete my "each staff as an orange" collection in case i wanna try it out with illisi for the lols...

[gilded radish]

You got put on a bad team

[gilded radish]

Surge is rather annoying to use, good at dmg heavier units and stopping hounds or muties, but you can get overwhelmed too quickly

Purge is alot better

[gilded radish]

Have had that happen to me before and i decided to just jump of the edge since i was the only one alive

[strong gulch]

Depending on how you play, what you like, what you pair weapons with makes things really flexible.

If you're good at melee and like surge, then that's going to be a better choice than purg.

If you like purg, then that's going to be the better pick.

Purg and surge don't have a lot of overlap.

[lyric burrow]

Whenever i use surge i just end up using melee 99% of the time

Depends a little on enemy variety

[gilded radish]

My purge melts hords rather quickly and does decent dmg too mauler rager and gunners

[strong gulch]

When my hands hurt and I have mild brain fog, I always use purg because it is definitely less clicking and less effort.

But it has its weaknesses or places where it's not as efficent as another otpion.

[gilded radish]

Use purge and deimos

One is op in cc and the other does high damage

[strong gulch]

I don't like deimos.

[gilded radish]

Alright

[strong gulch]

It's not a bad weapon, I just don't enjoy it.

[gilded radish]

Its a good loadout since its not a great idea to have 2 weapons good for crowd control unless you decide not to have a psword

[lyric burrow]

Tbh i find both melee weapons and esp illisi can round out pretty much anything

It wouldnt be optimal

But ill even run trauma illisi on occasion just cause illisi is so good

Havent done illisi purg in a while tho lol

[gilded radish]

The camera lock when hitting an enemy is rather annoying, gives me that second of confusion on where iam

[strong gulch]

Illisi is very good. I do Illisi and purg for ease of use.

Yeah. That camera lock can kick rocks.

[lyric burrow]

Like on the special?

[strong gulch]

yup

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i dont use it for that reason

Thankfully h2 exists

[gilded radish]

Especially with hounds, most of the time iam either staring straight up or spun around

[willow hazel]

How do you get overwhelmed with an Illisi for melee?

[gilded radish]

Using a surge can get overwhelmed quickly since the peril goes up faster

For me i take more damage when using it then when iam using purge and deimos

[strong gulch]

Depending on feats, building peril quickly can be useful.

But it for sure can be easy to explode yourself with surge.

I seem to get hit or damaged less with Illisi + surge.

Playstyle differences I'm guessing.

[gilded radish]

I have played with purge so much that i got a muscle memory of quell peril drilled into my brain, but with surge i gotta pay attention alot more

[strong gulch]

Like some people are really good with dueling swords.

I'm garbage with them.

[gilded radish]

I have never used them

[strong gulch]

Valid. Me when I switch the lvl 30 talent. Hit my ult and confuse the shit out of myself. 💀

[gilded radish]

I use my ult to get things away from me

Personal space

Or other teammates who dont know how to dodge well

[slate sun]

Through a hundered and thirty games I used a catachan instead of the illisi ... can you imagine

I just rolled a pretty good one and figured that the melee wasn't really so important 😄

I just tested something interesting with the illisi - if you kill something in a single hit, and that hit applies soulblaze (through blazing spirit) - you gain warp charges through ascendant blaze

pretty nice way to ramp it up to 6

[strong gulch]

Yup. AB works with all souldblaze. You can also use warp absorption as your toughness feat.

It's a meme, but it's kinda cool.

[slate sun]

so effectively chopping up a horde grants you warp charges, maybe it's what will push me into using warp battery finally

[strong gulch]

Though, if I'm doing fire sword, I like wild fire.

[slate sun]

well me too but all the experts seem to use the battery

[dense mica]

can you run and gun with the purgatus secondary?

[strong gulch]

iirc, primary only

[raven marsh]

yo I got a question, because I have no clue how to play psyker despite having a level 25

warp charge-

what does it do?

and storing 6 of them? what have I been missing this whole time-

[hidden crystal]

Your Feats page in your inventory lets you mouse over to see descriptions.

But, as a general thing, Warp Charges give you a +4% bonus to all your damage.

And sometimes some other things, but Fatshark's descriptions are screwy.

(In the code, Peril is called Warp Charge, and Warp Charges are called Souls, so sometimes their descriptions mean Peril but say Warp Charges).

[lyric burrow]

I like catachan actually

Havent used it on psyker tho

[lyric burrow]

By default you can store 4, which just gives you passive +4% damage (iirc) per warp charge. With the level 25 feat warp battery you can store 6 so you can stack more damage

Depending on feats you get them from brainbursting or from teammates killing elites if you have communion

Brainburst can be through kinetic flayer as well, any form of bb counts

[strong gulch]

Psyker builds vary wildly and impact the way you play.

BB is a great tool, but it is not the end all be all. You always have an anti armour option with it.

Psyker tends to have their head on a swivel.

More warp charges = more damage. If you don't like to keep them up or struggled to do so, there are feats that let you get them passively.

Warp Unleashed, Cerebral Lacerations, and 6 warp charges get you to different breakpoints with BB, but again that is not the only tool you have.

[lyric burrow]

But they help you reach certain breakpoints, with 6 warp charges you kill ragers in one brainburst

On damnation

I dont think lacerations gives you warp charges does it

[strong gulch]

No it doesn't

[lyric burrow]

Oh ok you mentioned above was making sure

Figured you just swapped it with flayer

[strong gulch]

Sperated the lines to help make it more clear. If it's not, I'll edit it.

[lyric burrow]

Oh nvm im dumb

I got it

[strong gulch]

NP

[hybrid solstice]

do i cop

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

If your lucky you get good luck on 2nd perk and blessing

But 79/79/79 is worth the risk imo

[strong gulch]

I would but I'm broke because I gamble a lot.

[hybrid solstice]

aight

[raven marsh]

thanks for the help!

okay so purg staff and surge staff

purg staff seems really good but

what the hell is up with the surge staff-

am I using it wrong? it feels like it can't kill anything-

like I am full charging every time I wanna use the funny electrical attack

[strong gulch]

Purg is pretty straight forward and easy to use. The primary has a lot of stagger while the charged secondary melts hordes. It doesn't tackle metal armor and ranged as well as other options.

Surge is not for hordes. It is really good at metal armor, but it can only stun like 6 enemies and seriously damage like 2. It has the strongest CC; it's able to stun crushers, bulwarks, and mutants (charge at least half way). It pause high threat targets with ease BUT it requires DPS follow through. So you can stun to set up your melee or for team mates. Because surge does not mange hordes worth a darn, you'll want to pair it with a horde clear melee option; I recommend Illisi force sword.

[raven marsh]

ohhhhhhhh

thanks!

[strong gulch]

Be wary not to stun things out of position for teammates.

[strong gulch]

Np.

With surge, you'll end up in melee and have a lot more down time to look around and keeping your head on a swivel.
This video goes over surge's quirks.
https://youtu.be/7KVVpasnIrw

[strong gulch]

When I say seriously damage I mean in the context of surge. It struggles against unarmored and does little to infested.

[near wyvern]

Flak dies to surge in no time, carapace (crushers) is okish you mainly do it for the CC. Anything else: RMB for CC, LMB/Melee weapon for damage.

Horde: Melee out unless you have specials/elites on the front that you can CC

[raven marsh]

alright I know some electric stuff IRL so-

it's a bit "unrealistic" that this magical lightning wizard attack can't kill these horde units, the human body dies to suprisingly low levels of electricity

"it's 40k, it's unrealistic you nerd"

yeah true-

[lyric burrow]

Unarmored is painful lol

At least for infested you can melee 99% of the time

[strong gulch]

yup

[willow escarp]

Played a game earlier with two surge and two trauma psykers. I was trauma

We were pretty much untouchable

[rustic pewter]

when i kill enemies with the fire staff, does that count as warp attack?

[alpine sundial]

Anyone getting this error? Trying to get second perk on Curios.

I've tried restarting the client, 3 different curios. All the same error

[strong gulch]

I've had it brifly before patch. So idk what's up

[wind storm]

Yes, even the burn DoT counts if i'm not mistaken

[alpine sundial]

TY for responding <3. I feel like I've been shouting at a wall for the past 30 minutes in the other channels.

[strong gulch]

Since when can you dodge through handrails and fall?

[plucky flax]

Wait so auric missions don't give any extra rewards?

Apart from the ordos coming with hishock.

[strong gulch]

If that's the case, that kinda sucks.

I know some people want harder content for the sake of harder content, but better rewards seems like it should be a thing.

[plucky flax]

Well I just did one and yeah that was it.

The bonus is from quickplay, not from auric specific.

It should give extra plasteels on top of the quickplay bonus.

[lyric burrow]

Omg i just realized you dont need re roll until rarity anymore

[hidden crystal]

Indeed. I disabled it before I even loaded the game up in case it had some conflict.

[lyric burrow]

Do all the mods still work on the new patch or do we need to wait for them to be updated

[strong gulch]

Varied modifiers across difficulties huh

[fresh reef]

Maelstrom is kinda nuts

then again, I haven't played hi shock since it was introduced (thanks rng)

[regal jasper]

Love the plasteel to cube ratio

[fresh reef]

oh boy

there's a new one

[strong gulch]

I've had some of the worst teams today.

Bots would be better tbh

[lyric burrow]

Probably some people coming back after a long time

[strong gulch]

That was my thinking.

Although, a group of 8 reapers was a lot. So I wonder if it was a combo of spicy directors and rusty people.

[echo turtle]

did force swords get nerfed recently?

I am finding in the maelstrom games it's taking many charged attacks to drop anything

[spice veldt]

illisi seems the same to me

[echo turtle]

do the aurus missions have higher health?

I dunno, I am hitting crushers with charged deimos attacks to and doing like, 1k damage or something

[spice veldt]

that seems normal if you don't have slaughterer stacks or something

they nerfed the ability for soulblaze to proc slaughterer

[echo turtle]

did they?

[spice veldt]

ye

[echo turtle]

does slaughterer still buff soulblaze though?

[spice veldt]

so you have to get strictly melee kills for slaughterer stacks

ye it does

[echo turtle]

thats still good

wildfire and swordfighting disintegrates hordes pretty fast, or so that has been my experience

[spice veldt]

autopistol is so nice for the specialists/mutant wave maelstrom

[echo turtle]

yeah I have been seeing people obliterate with that

I was using a surge, and the CC seemed to be really helping

[spice veldt]

yeah surge was nice esp for the mutant waves

[echo turtle]

from my experience today, I am considering switching back to the antax honestly

a charges illisi is hitting muties for like 2300, which a decap axe light swing is 1700

[spice veldt]

rashad is the better CAxe now if you've got a well-statted one

[echo turtle]

ah no kidding

thats cool

[spice veldt]

they fixed the headshot hitbox issue

[echo turtle]

I had a good one

maniac + what?

[spice veldt]

illisi's maniac dmg is whatever, but it'll still be pretty good for two-shotting them as long as you have some buffs and/or hit weakspots

no idea, but my base assumption is maniac + flak for psyker melees

[echo turtle]

I find a lot of the time I dont end up with many buffs

combat gets so chaotic

yeah, flack makes sense

[spice veldt]

true if you don't have unstable power, you might not reach that breakpoint

[spice veldt]

damn

[echo turtle]

I have been using deflector lately

thats my best rashad on hand

keep the blessings as is and go for + maniac and + flack eh?

or even, + maniac + elites

just gave the rashad a go, it's great

actually gets weakspot hits now, nice and fast

I love it

[slate sun]

Emperor demyt there are so many players returning to test stuff ... how I wish they chose lower diff ...

[round jay]

ayo, what are those auric mission? what's the main difference

[echo turtle]

@spice veldt warp unleashed or inner peril?

inner tranq*

this is with a surge

6 charge with kb

[spice veldt]

I don't run that build, but warp unleashed is a must pick for me

[echo turtle]

They are both really good

soul blaze not keeping slaughterer procced really takes the heat out of the illisa

I am finding it really struggles to do much to deal with specialist waves

maybe I suck

but I was doing better with the deimos

[thick carbon]

I mean... the deimos is designed for high-health targets and armor. Illisi is for hordes. they both have different uses

[echo turtle]

I'm gonna give this a go though

[thick carbon]

now that's a damn good axe right there

[echo turtle]

The deimos charge doesn't do that much more than the illisi

the deimos stabs tho

hot damn

tho lunge strikes are excellent

the mobility of that sword and those pokes, I love

[thick carbon]

one-shotting a mutie with Deimos is a lot easier than the Illisi

[echo turtle]

yes and no

the illisi doesnt animation lock you

so you can sidestep and swing and not get wrecked in game

[slow raven]

im finding illisi pretty good for those since you can take out multiple in one swing, which didnt matter much before but is actually kind of relevant in the new difficulties

[echo turtle]

yeah, the charge swing imo is better on the illisi

the mobility though, has kept me alive

[slow raven]

pretty fun when you can swing once and kill like 6 of the mini dogs at once lol

[thick carbon]

we just need the equivalent to Power Cycler

[echo turtle]

the basic strikes on the deimos are also better than the illisi

[slow raven]

although a lot of weapons can do that i guess

[echo turtle]

I am gonna use the axe for a while though, see how that goes

[slow raven]

with some buffs up you can one shot mutants too, but kinda rare

[echo turtle]

that sucker above once decap is procced hits muties for about as much as issili charge strikes

on the light attacks

[thick carbon]

it's pretty fun. I love the rashad

[echo turtle]

yeah, I used to run axe surge a lot, it feels like its a good time to go back

I found the surge really helped the team in maelstrom when we were getting rushed by elites

and a dozen muties

not to mention bursters

[thick carbon]

oh fuck

I uh

I think I messed up

[echo turtle]

@spice veldt

I am running 3x health, then health,toughness followed by resists for the charms

you reckon thats good?

[slow raven]

yeah the new modes might increase the value of surge relative to trauma, trauma is better for hordes and shooter packs but in the new modes those are barely a threat compared to massive waves of elites

[echo turtle]

yeah, I was finding the elite and specialists to be the biggest issue

trauma is good, I just dislike it

[spice veldt]

looks good

i'm personally running all toughness as main perks, 3x +tough, 3x +cdr, 2x +gunner res, and 1x +hp

[echo turtle]

trauma can stumble all that stuff too

interesting

[spice veldt]

i've just been running autopistol on the mutant/special wave maelstrom

[echo turtle]

I may get a second set of all toughness with toughness regen

[slow raven]

too bad none of the staves are really amazing at annilhilating elites like guns are, i was barely getting use out of the trauma i was running and mostly leaning on my illisi

[echo turtle]

ive been taking sniper res again though, as the new difficulty seems to have a lot of snipers

[spice veldt]

yeah i figured that trauma would stumble but if I couldn't get close with my illisi, we were still fucked either way

i simply rely on god and anime to protect me from snipers

[echo turtle]

this new difficulty is amazing

I won 1 out of my 8 games today

best time I have had on darktide ever

[thick carbon]

it's a huge breath of fresh air

[strong gulch]

Warp Unleashed with surge staff imo

[echo turtle]

whats your reasoning?

DPS>Downtime?

take that with psykinetic to keep KB cycling too or what?

with all the elite and specialist fighting now, Flayer?

seems like the likelyhood of it proccing when you actually need it is high now

[strong gulch]

DPS and support.

Because surge is mostly for CC, with good peril manage inner tranq isn't needed. You can run Warp Unleahsed with KB.

[echo turtle]

wouldn't inner tranq be better for CC?

[strong gulch]

CD reduction is good too

[echo turtle]

I like unleashed tho for the BB damage

and occasional melee

I'll give unleashed a go

[strong gulch]

Warp Unleash gives you some BB breakpoints.

[echo turtle]

yeah, along with 6 charges it is a lot of extra damage

[strong gulch]

YOu get plenty of shocks without the inner tanq.

[echo turtle]

is everyone rolling psykinetic aura in maelstrom?

the quick charges are 17 peril vs 11

so like, 6-7 vs 10ish

with inner tranq you can almost just keep zapping if your CDR is where it needs to be

[slow raven]

thats what i was running but im undecided. sometimes it gets so hectic that BB is too slow even with KB up. lots of times i just used my combat ability just to push back dogs, trappers, or bursters and then just pull out the sword to kill them all

[echo turtle]

I wonder, if you could take communion and quicken with inner tranq to maintain 100% uptime on lightning

[strong gulch]

Sure but you shouldn't just be shocking everything.

[echo turtle]

I know

sometimes you need to keep that CC up

in maelstrom

[snow scaffold]

maelstrom is just crazy

[strong gulch]

fair if that's what's needed

[echo turtle]

a quick quell isn't a huge problem though honestly

I have liek 80 quell, its fast af

[snow scaffold]

it's pushing me to my limits, i have to use every technique to keep everyone alive as Ogryn

[echo turtle]

yeah its wild

such fun

seems like there are long periods of massive waves coming, then quiet lulls

taking it slow and methodically and not over extending may be the approach

[snow scaffold]

not always, you need to be aggressive to get into better positions

[echo turtle]

is the general consensus toughness over health here?

or a mix?

[spice veldt]

probably a mix

I stack 3 tough cuz I'm a greedy mf

[echo turtle]

yeah

I am gonna try

t/t/h

with, Tough,Health,Tough regen on all 3

tough regen still affects the regen speed and the time before regen starts?

[spice veldt]

ye

[echo turtle]

k

should be good

seems like it would be usefull is more situations

I'll have to just learn to not get sot by snipers

47% extra T, 35% extra health, 90% tough regen

hopefully that will keep me alive lol

[hidden crystal]

The problem with toughness is that some things like to just instantly break it, and melee stuff chips through it, so it's not foolproof.

[spice veldt]

though for consecutive melee hits, the 2nd hit is roughly equivalent to stacking hp

and toughness has the advantage of regenerating and preventing ranged attacks from staggering you (assuming that you're not sprinting)

and synergy with kinetic shield if you run that

[hidden crystal]

I am currently running toughness over health, although I'm not necessarily sure that there's been that much difference between the two.

To some extent, if there has been a difference, I suspect that some of it has been that I'm more conscious of trying to stay in coherency to keep it topped up.

[spice veldt]

i feel safer diving ranged enemies with more toughness

[idle aurora]

I really want to try toughness stack, i always used hp stack, but noticed that i end up not really taking that much damage, and the damage that was taken is because fucking toughness broke lol

[spice veldt]

ranged enemies are really the only annoying patrol whose engagements can get prolonged and extended without much of the team being able to achieve their maximum potential DPS

so I prefer to build for ranged enemies

i wouldn't stack 3 toughness personally unless I had enough hours in the game though

specifically for learning the spots where snipers will spawn

I don't have a good reaction time, but I am substituting that with knowledge of the spots where I have been owned

(or just run sniper res lamayo)

[idle aurora]

I have 60 sniper res and max hp stack on my oggy, to give 0 fucks

the last thing snipers see is this face getting close really fast

[spice veldt]

autopistol supremacy on mutant/hound/specialist maelstrom

[near wyvern]

H2 one shot Deimos is so worth it
https://youtu.be/5q4Hlqpdtxw

[hidden crystal]

That's generally been my approach too; ranged enemies are generally top of my priority list (or at least competing for the top of it), as they're a big spanner in the works.

[vagrant cedar]

14gb update

lesss goooo

[thick carbon]

ugh. I hate it when you get a brand new level 30 who decides to join the Auric Maelstrom mission and doesn't seem to understand that it's not a good idea to run to the other side of the room during a mutie wave just to pick up some diamantine

at the same time, I'd feel bad if I tried to say that out loud

[hidden crystal]

I have a "Stick together" chat hotkey.

[thick carbon]

mod or macro/keybind?

[hidden crystal]

Quick Chat mod.

[thick carbon]

that's a good idea

[hidden crystal]

I've got "Daemonhost", "Help!", "Stick together", "Yes", "No" and "Sorry" hotkeyed.

I'm half considering adding "Some of us have warp charges bleeding away here" as another one.

For when someone won't get in the air lock.

[stuck bridge]

what should i be lookin for with purgatus staff blessings, i have warp flurry 3 and warp nexus 4 on one, either can be changed out

[hidden crystal]

(A more serious one might be "Sniper", because you often can't see those to tag them.)

On which note, I will add people who don't tag the sniper that downed them to my list of hates.

Gets shot while trying to revive them

... right, so that's why you're on the floor. That might have been useful information like three seconds earlier.

Honestly, if you're downed, all you can do at that point is do call outs. Maybe do it.

(Well, all you can do that's useful, anyway. Slagging off your team is also something you can do, but that's not helpful).

[thick carbon]

I personally just have the tag button set to m1. makes things a lot easier

[hidden crystal]

Ah, well - that frustrates me in different ways.

[spice veldt]

people who have tag on m1 are why I disabled teammate ping noises

annoying fuckers

[thick carbon]

😘

I also have a keybind so it doesnt tag them every single time I click specifically for that purpose

[spice veldt]

it's a good thing that I also have the skull disabled so that I only see their red outlines

so many surge psykers trying to punch above their weight in maelstrom

at least these round of surge psykers knew to use their melee

i lied

26.5k melee damage to 99k ranged

lmao

and that's with the illisi

why the fuck are people bringing the illisi if they're not going to use the special

there's the deimos

[hidden crystal]

I don't need to know about the shotgunner they'll have killed in half a second, I need to know about things that I need to deal with or avoid.

[thick carbon]

ah, I see. you're one of those people who just complains for the sake of complaining.

[spice veldt]

yeah?

what's wrong with venting?

do you have a problem with me expressing my frustration?

mr complaining about complaining

[thick carbon]

[spice veldt]

if I'm doing 5 times the damage of another player (who was here since the beginning of the mission), I think I have a decent reason to be frustrated

[hidden crystal]

Good pings are a thing of beauty. Bad pings are distracting. No pings are an active hinderance to the team.

[lament topaz]

Mortarion's got some drip now

[spice veldt]

yeah and I also have a limited ability to pay attention to noises

just move your tag key to something that's easily accessible like V or something

[hidden crystal]

I've got my pings mapped to my M4 or M5 button - not sure which it is, but one of the two thumb buttons on my mouse, which means I can access it without having to move my fingers off the main buttons like I would with the middle mouse default.

So I can quite easily tag things while in the middle of fighting something else.

In one game earlier, I was in the middle of dealing with a horde, a sniper appeared, I can't swap to ranged or BB to deal with him myself - ping, one of the vets splatters him.

[sick steppe]

beloved, I finally got to level 15:D

the grind was painful

[hidden crystal]

I'm sorry to tell you it's not over yet.

[sick steppe]

w-what

what do you mean

[hidden crystal]

The true grind is trying to get the gear you want after Lvl 30.

[sick steppe]

theres more weapons unlockable there?

cuz last I checked I already got everything unlocked in Brunt's armoury

[hidden crystal]

Not new weapon unlocks as such, but you can't get full rating items until you hit Lvl 30, and trying to get items with your ideal combination of stats, perks and blessings can take a long time.

This is, so far, is the best Illisi sword I've managed to put together:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133036349235146822/image.png

And it's got a hefty dump stat, a T3 perk that isn't my first choice, and a T1 blessing (although it can at least be said Deflector has about the lowest tier scaling of any of the blessings apart from the ones that are literally identical at different tiers).

[vagrant cedar]

dayummmm

i like this new patch

[hidden crystal]

This one would be beautiful if the game would let me replace three things on it, but nope:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1136216170303869020/image.png

I do at least quite like this one, although in an ideal world Reload speed would probably be Elite Damage or something:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133688552912322580/Kantrael_MG_XII.png

[lament topaz]

I think this means I did okay?

[toxic tusk]

@lament topaz where did you get this from?

[lament topaz]

A mod

[hidden crystal]

I will implore you not to treat it as a competition.

[strong gulch]

And to know that it is weighted weird.

[hidden crystal]

The number of times I've had people blow up bursters in my face because they want to get the most special kills on their scoreboard is not zero.

[strong gulch]

And running ahead for more kills while avoiding healing for points but end up dropping and compromising the team.

[hidden crystal]

Very weird.

"Yes, let's give the MVP award to the person who kept rushing to every brick of diamantine he saw, even if we were in the middle of a fight, and who pressed the most buttons, even though we weren't ready yet."

[strong gulch]

right

[spice veldt]

i'm picking up mats regardless

[strong gulch]

That being said, it's a tool.

Use it if you like, adds to your experience, or helps you.

[spice veldt]

i'm sure 3 people can handle a fight unless it's a special wave + 10 crusher patrol

if it's just ranged, there's the simple solution of not engaging to them, or backpedalling to bait them

[strong gulch]

shit heads are gonna shit head

Oh yeah. Mats important

[hidden crystal]

Best team player: "The person who carried an ammo crate the entire way through the game, even though the entire team was on orange or red ammo for most of it".

Best defensive player: "The psyker who brought a deflector sword and used it once against a gunner, so they count as having blocked 50 attacks."

[strong gulch]

Now, if we were paid in plasteel for every ammo crate or health pac that we ended the map with, that might be worth it.

The terrible chaos that would cause... 💀

[meager plinth]

@steel flame

for some reason, zealot got the psyker one

[hidden crystal]

It can be a useful tool for analysing your performance, don't get me wrong (and it can be funny to beat the player who was complaining about the rest of the team being complete n00bs), but yeah, don't take it too seriously, and don't try to win. It's a co-op team game.

There's lots of things that are better play but will net you a lower score.

[spice veldt]

hmm, ascension riser hishock gives less dockets and exp than the other hishocks it seems

oh nvm

cuz it's heresy

[hidden crystal]

Making sure no-one flanks your team mates might not net you many kills, but it can dramatically increase the team's survivability.

[spice veldt]

something that increases the team's survivability and get a bunch of kills is to run into ranged patrols

[willow escarp]

So, I can’t equip surge staff. If I do, and then exit and open my loadout again, it’s shredder AP. If I change loadouts and back to that one, it shows as surge. But if I join a game, I have a shredder

[spice veldt]

the game's tutorial sucks ass, so you can just show off to new players who don't know about ranged i-frames and get kills at the same time

[strong gulch]

I was having some loadout issues earlier. I thought I was losing my mind.

[willow escarp]

I’ve seen it be weird before but never persistent. I got it tho

Went and changed some weapons on some different load outs and then that one worked fine

I made a second copy too, and it swapped back to shredder on both of them

except cool now I have a Deimos instead of illisi lol

[fresh reef]

Ideal purg blessings?

[willow escarp]

Ok yeah the loadouts are completely bugged

Looks like it tries to take one of the weapons from the previous loadout

[strong gulch]

Flurry + nexus

[willow escarp]

So if I change secondary on loadout 1, it’ll change when I open loadout 4

[echo turtle]

having run the axe a biut now

I gotta give it up to the axe for maelstrom

very useful in all situations

I'm killing more lesser enemies with the axe than I was with the purgatus

[hidden crystal]

I'm a psyker who generally runs with an Illisi and an MG12; I'm generally going to get the more impressive kill count chopping up hordes than dealing with shooters, but if I'm on a team with a flamer zealot and purgatus psyker, then I'll absolutely take shooter duty.

I may come out way behind them on kills, but that doesn't actually mean that my contribution to the team was any less; me dealing with the shooters was what let them do their jobs.

[echo turtle]

winning is what matters

[willow escarp]

game doesn’t have a scoreboard for a reason

[echo turtle]

cuz devs are lazy

[steel flame]

@meager plinth huzzah finally have shred 4

[willow escarp]

meh, never liked the scoreboard in vt2

Good change imo

[echo turtle]

no one forces you to look at it 😉

[spice veldt]

behind on kills but also comparable on shooters

[willow escarp]

Dude I’ve watched your DRG YouTube videos like 20 times

[echo turtle]

it does let you know how you're doing, and if what you are doing is effective

[spice veldt]

esp with the illisi dealing 1.75x damage to unyielding (reapers)

and just being forward gets you a lot of kills/damage

[steel flame]

glad you like them

[echo turtle]

I tried that combo last night and found it super underwhelming

[strong gulch]

Having fun is what matters.

Also remembering that you're not the only person playing unless it's a solo run.

[willow escarp]

got me into many hundreds of hours of rocket jumping lol

[echo turtle]

charges reset shred still i think

[steel flame]

always happy to make another rj250 addict

[echo turtle]

congrats though

does kinetic deflection still help when reviving enemies in melee?

reviving allies*

[spice veldt]

ye still great for that

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Dang near broken.

[echo turtle]

what are the two blessings we want on shredders?>

[strong gulch]

Pinning fire is THE one.

I think blazeaway or the thoughness one are the other two iirc.

[echo turtle]

kk

[hidden crystal]

I will block everything, and then I will block everything else.

[spice veldt]

inspiring barrage is pretty nice on the autopistol

https://streamable.com/paewi3

[echo turtle]

cavalcade anygood?

damn nice

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

crits aren't that much of an increase in damage on the autopistol

[echo turtle]

well, I need to start farming up

I have upgraded a few and gotten like none of the blessings I need

[spice veldt]

very painful

I had to upgrade tens of autopistols to even get inspiring barrage

[lament topaz]

Is that Josho talking about being a sleeper agent?

[echo turtle]

my best pistol atm

seems pretty trasj

[spice veldt]

he's justifying his action to blow up his teammates

[echo turtle]

the crits are so bad

[spice veldt]

the psychopath is coming up with bad reasonings that are easily seen through by the sane person

[echo turtle]

like, not even extra stagger

[lament topaz]

Trueeeee

[echo turtle]

I am really just rethinking my builds for maelstrom

with how intense it is, I am leaning KD again pretty solidly

consensus still shredder is the best wizard gun?

[lyric burrow]

yeah

shredder is pretty much the best gun in the game

[hidden crystal]

I never really got on with it, but then I'm generally inclined towards high powered semi autos in most games anyway.

[olive ember]

^^arcotash when he tries to justify taking focused channeling

[spice veldt]

yeah because the trauma has other amazing blessings to take

[olive ember]

rending shockwave

blazing spirit

fucking warp nexus i guess

focused channeling is purely a skill issue blessing

[spice veldt]

by what skill am I going to avoid bullets

do you consider zealot's TWBS to also be a skill issue feat

[olive ember]

yes but zealots don't have jack shit to use there

[zealous sierra]

Worth?

[olive ember]

they get to pick between "heal when dead", "stun resist", and "heal 25% of damage taken"

they are all skill issue feats

twbs just happens to be the best of the three

especially since most zealots have a hardon for their hammers

[lyric burrow]

I'd probably take that

[urban hearth]

modifier is only scabs

and only melee

so all melee

and all flak

surge staff go BZZZZT

[lyric burrow]

the monstrosity one is insane lol

[snow coral]

just logged in, I have the level mod on and I went down my almost 100 after the progression changes, lol

[lyric burrow]

Yeah they hit me for like 50 levels

[snow coral]

Oh, and it crashed, great, lol

I wonder if the mod creator needs to/will update how the mod calculates levels. I would have thought we'd go up, not down.

Crashed again, same place, when I go to look at the missions. I'm betting it's the Sorted Mission Grid that's causing the crash

confirmed

[lyric burrow]

finally got a great illisi

damage could be a little highe r

but thats my only complaint

[echo turtle]

snap

thats a beuatiful weapon

[shadow wigeon]

If you don't have Flurry 4, then yes, because it's already a good staff. Warp res is a small goof, whatever.

[spice veldt]

interesting, there is a mostly ranged enemies

this will be fun, won't it

i sure hope i get teammates who know how to deal with ranged

[lyric burrow]

oh lord

that sounds like it could be painful

@spice veldt when you get the chance do you know what the baseline needed stats are for one shotting muties with deimos

actually nvm figured it out

[snow coral]

Good to know, thanks!

[meager plinth]

B-VIII-V-F is gonna be insane when it drops

they need to work on their naming schemes, Im not gonna fuckin spell all of those letters each time I want to talk about that flash mission

[spice veldt]

84k dockets

whew

[unique tiger]

What for perks?

[spice veldt]

alright that maelstrom is hard af

[lyric burrow]

yeah ive only done the monstrosity one once in randos

and that was without the extra shit

[flat shadow]

wtf

how do the enemies become monstrosities

do they have a gruesome animation where they become a beast of nurgle

[upper galleon]

nah

thye just spawn as the monster

instead

[flat shadow]

oh

[upper galleon]

usualyl a weakened variant

that will have less health and deal less damage

[lyric burrow]

much less health

although when theres 15 trappers and 8 gunners running around and one or 2 monstrosities it can get a little hectic

[upper galleon]

honestly, I want a monsters+ melee enemies mission

And let my hammer do the talking

[flat shadow]

i think the crusher might be a better bet

something tells me you need the massive area stagger

[upper galleon]

nah

killing> staggering

plus new nurgle blessed can happen on enemys and it gives them a ton fo stagger resist

[spice veldt]

alright i am bringing cerebral lacerations for this

god damn

i'm sorry psyk aura but i have to leave you for now

[cyan notch]

who is bro talking to ⁉️

[flat shadow]

killing 1 enemy at a time vs staggering a group while 3 other people with actual damage weapons hack away

idk i lke to play utility in games

[spice veldt]

maybe in premades

but not in pubs

I do not trust an inch of most teammates I get

[flat shadow]

it is extremely hard to lose to a horde if you have the crusher

[spice veldt]

mission clear time is also something to care about

[flat shadow]

why's that

[spice veldt]

to get more dockets/mats per time

[flat shadow]

do you guys not play for fun

i just like hitting bad guys

[spice veldt]

it's fun for me to accrue resources

and to do big numbers

[cyan notch]

higher quality weapons and stuff would be cool

instead of just haha heres xp

dockets are nice tho

[flat shadow]

the scoreboard mod has to be the worst thing people decided to add to this game i think

[lyric burrow]

People do but a lot of people like the good stuff cause having the most/best options is the most fun for a lot of people esp in the new hard stuff

[flat shadow]

understandable

but its just sad seeing powersword shredder autopistol vet in every game

[lyric burrow]

I enjoy both

Yeah majority of people will just use meta stuff

Idc what you wanna use so long as you enjoy it

Ideally you know what your doing though lol

[flat shadow]

also understandable

but i am seeing people in my games call out other players for not having big stats on a scoreboard they installed nobody can see

its weird

thats why i said that just now

[lyric burrow]

Yeah there will always be people who are dicks although ive seen very few

[flat shadow]

i had a guy leave in one of my games because he saw me playing veteran with an axe and revolver

[lyric burrow]

People might care more now with harder stuff

[flat shadow]

like whats the deal with me not having horde clear theres an ogryn and he has an autopistol

[upper galleon]

Do both, go blazing trauma

[flat shadow]

i use the trauma staff on psyker

its fun

[lyric burrow]

Axe has horde clear if your referring to caxe

[upper galleon]

Your axe should have horde clear

Even tactical axes horde clear

[lyric burrow]

Tac axe too

Less so

[flat shadow]

my vet axe chops like 2 people at once

[upper galleon]

Unless you don't run brutal momentum

[lyric burrow]

^

Thats the key

[flat shadow]

i dont know which one it is but its mostly overhead swings and then one horizontal one

[upper galleon]

Are you going BM decimator or BM headtaker?

[flat shadow]

i think it has headtaker on it

i dont know the other one

[lyric burrow]

I think thats rashaad

Which is good

[upper galleon]

Sounds like a tactical axe actually

[flat shadow]

idk but that guy was just super pissed

[lyric burrow]

Arent tac axes usually vertical

[upper galleon]

But anyways, axe mystery aside

[lyric burrow]

Diaganol i mean

[upper galleon]

Yee one of the light patterns is overheads and a final horizontal if I recall but let's move past it

If this was in damnation then he is 100% right

Revolver is bad, it can't handle the sheer amount of target density. Agri shotgun out performs it and so does bolter

[flat shadow]

it was in damnation but the other two guys were like what is that guys problem and we won

[lyric burrow]

Ok i actually think revo isnt that bad now

[flat shadow]

it was rashad

[lyric burrow]

Its not meta but its very usable

[upper galleon]

Anyways, antax combat axe is viable still and Rashad is the meta pick

[flat shadow]

they buffed crazy enemy damage i think

whatever his name is

[lyric burrow]

Esp if you have horde clear for melee

[upper galleon]

Revolver is fine on normal damnation but hi and hi stg

It doesn't keep up

[flat shadow]

i just run behind my teammates usually

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i would probs avoid those

[upper galleon]

You'd be better off with an agri shotgun with full bore no respite

Or a bolter

[lyric burrow]

At least shock troop

[flat shadow]

i mean i dont use the axe

[upper galleon]

Oh God you are that vet

[flat shadow]

i use either the sapper shovel or the chainsword

[upper galleon]

Vet isn't bad at melee stop being scared of it

[flat shadow]

i dont have a power sword sorry

i didnt say i was bad at melee

[upper galleon]

Get used to pressing Q or rebind it

So you can swap on a dime

Psword isn't needed

[flat shadow]

i run behind my teammates because i have 4 bars of stamina

[upper galleon]

Chainsword with sweeping and rampage can manage

[flat shadow]

right now im using the shovel

[upper galleon]

Shovel is a bit of a meme but I put it on level with the tactical axes

[flat shadow]

i like the sound it makes when you hit someone with the heavy

[lyric burrow]

I think shovel can horde clear fine

Thats kinda its one job tho

Cant do much else other than stagger

[flat shadow]

also what is the difference between stuff like power and raw damage

or impact

[lyric burrow]

Impact is stagger

And certain blessings allow you to do more damage with higher stagger

Stuff like stopping power is what affects stagger

Damage is damage

[flat shadow]

currently my shovel has limbsplitter and hammerblow

[upper galleon]

Power increases everythinf

Cleave stagger and damage

Limsplitter bad replace it

Literally anything else but limsplitter

[lyric burrow]

Get decimator if you can it helps a lot

In horde clear

[flat shadow]

i wish i had a good knife

[upper galleon]

No

Don't be a knife vet

[lyric burrow]

Well its slightly easier to get one now

[flat shadow]

i keep getting gold ones with bad base stats

[upper galleon]

Well you can but it is weird for vet? It's much more of a zealot weapon

[lyric burrow]

Its a strange weapon for not zealot but ive seen people make it work

[upper galleon]

Like yes you can go executor, or mercy lacerate

[flat shadow]

i feel like with zealot if you arent using the very specific bleed build doing the bleed blessing seem pointless

i like uncanny strike on it

[upper galleon]

I've seen more people flop with it than not

[lyric burrow]

Yeah usually a horde shows up and they die admittedly

[upper galleon]

You need bleed to enable the blessings tho

Zealot can hope for crits with their feat

But you don't have mercy killer

[lyric burrow]

Push attack is very good on it right

[upper galleon]

Yee

Heavy spam can 4 shot crushers if you have a good knife, perhaps even 3

Problem is when there is a horde you have to dodge and play perfeclty

[flat shadow]

oh i just saw that i have a t4 blessing sitting around for my shovel

skullcrusher time

[upper galleon]

[lyric burrow]

Oh hey thats good

[flat shadow]

now i do bonus stagger and then skullcrusher gets better with it

well

not really

because they would stagger anyway

[upper galleon]

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[lament glen]

thanks for the ping, he gone