psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Why does it say melee? D:

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a typo that they haven't fixed for a hot while https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/melee-crit-on-range-weapons/74092

[plucky flax]

Aye.

[spice veldt]

alternatively, this is propaganda to make people use the staff bash

[plucky flax]

I'm thinking of getting warp nexus 4 from this bish to put it on this bish

Or farm for another warp nexus 4.

But plasteels

[mossy canopy]

Man I wish you could solo que with just bots, too many randoms that actively get in the way of certain penances even if you try and ask or do em away from them

[hidden crystal]

I currently (Ghost/Between the Eyes MG12 + Slaughterer/Deflector Illisi) run 3-1-1-1-1-3, but that's intended as a more long range psyker build, and partly because there is some synergy between Kinetic Deflection and Quietitude.

At lower levels (before KD is an option), you may indeed want to see if you can get the (partial) synergy between Essence Harvest and Psychic Communion - because, yes, the souls from that do proc Essence Harvest, meaning that there's at least some path for your gun kills to recover your toughness. I did run that for a long time, although I've adjusted my strategy somewhat since (I can proc Quietitude more predictably than hoping a kill will trigger Psychic Communion). Also, Essence Harvest doesn't stack, unfortunately. (A new warp charge will reset the timer, but won't give you two stacks of toughness recovery).

At higher levels with autopistol, then you might find some people using Kinetic Flayer (to try to trigger the BBs with the RoF of the autopistol), or Ascending Blaze to set a horde on fire and then exploit some of the Autopistol's power boosting Blessings to increase the power of the fire (while a power boost only applies while that weapon is out, if you've got any DoT still active, power boosts do apply to that).

At the moment, I'm +1 Wound, +16 Toughness, and +3 Stamina.

Perks are T4 Stamina Regen x2, T4 Toughness Regen x2, T3 Gunner Resist x3, T3 Sniper Resist, and T3 Toughness.

In an ideal world, I'd shuffle that a bit - swapping a Gunner Resist for either more Sniper Resist or Stamina Regen, but curios are a mess to simply try to just get nothing useless, let alone the exact combination you want.

And that much Gunner resist can be entertaining in its own way.

[plucky flax]

I have triple sniper resist.

They tickle me for around ~90 damage

[hidden crystal]

I think it works out that if you can get the perfect curios, a veteran can tank three sniper shots on Damnation and still have some toughness left.

[strong gulch]

I can never remember that exists. I'll accidentally hit the button and confuse myself. Like wtf did I just do?? 😂

[wet belfry]

Ogryns can potenially to

[hidden crystal]

As it works out, 3x +17% Toughness with +5% Toughness and +20% Sniper resist, gives a vet 332 Toughness, and with with Unwavering Focus and three stacks of Exhilarating Takedown active, you could juuuust get a sniper hit down to 110 toughness damage. Hence, three sniper hits.

That is however a ridiculously specific scenario.

I suppose if we're getting stupidly specific, there could be three zealots in coherency with the Benediction feat, and get it down to 68 Toughness damage, but that's unfortunately not quite enough to tank five snipers.

[hidden crystal]

At some point, I should muck around with the various psykanium mods and see just how long I could deflect a gunner for.

With KD, +3 Stamina and 3x Gunner Resist, I'm guessing it's going to be quite a while, even with my current Illisi only having T1 Deflector.

[near wyvern]

+9 stamina for the max memes

[urban hearth]

hit 30, got out the mission, checked the shop, job done

one staff down, 3 to go

[hidden crystal]

Well, yes, for maximum memes, but it's a little more useful to know what my actual current build can do.

Marginally, anyway.

[gilded radish]

whats the max amount of plasteel and Diamantine you can have?

[hidden crystal]

I've heard the cap is one million.

[gilded radish]

ah ok, iam close but not really

[plucky flax]

I think 50k or 500k plasteels. 5m ordos.

Not sure diamantine.

[gilded radish]

i got around 130k plasteel atm

[plucky flax]

So 500k then.

[blissful radish]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/bfe65c12f4e45f48ea0308fd40735ae79ec9d1da/scripts/foundation/utilities/parameters/default_game_parameters.lua#L118

[plucky flax]

5m ordos is a bit low tbh.

[blissful radish]

probably wanting you to spend it on cosmetics first

[cyan notch]

its 1m for diamantine and plasteel

[plucky flax]

My dream.

Atm my psyker has 19.

[gilded radish]

wish it was inf

[blissful radish]

616 here

[gilded radish]

true

[steel flame]

Noice staff boyo. If you can learn to quell cancel that will make a mighty fine pitching machine taser

[gilded radish]

what about the max limit for melks currency?

[hidden crystal]

I think I'd heard 100K, but that assumes whoever I'd heard from was right.

[fallow falcon]

Are there any recolours of this chestpiece?

Happened onto this combo with the randomizer

[near wyvern]

That's a premium shop chest so impossible to say. If there is, we haven't seen it.

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

says 100k right there

at least that one is more or less unreachable for now I reckon

assuming you bought literally anything since the game came out

[thorn cedar]

I haven't missed a single week on my Zealot since launch and 40k was the most I ever had. But I wasn't saving them or anything.

I'd guess if you bought nothing possibly 60 or 70K

[normal sequoia]

first time (sort of) carrying as a psyker. We initially had two vets, but both of them ragequit after they took each other's medicae charges and ended up dying to a patrol afterwards

Also I been sleeping on the Trauma staff. That shit slaps

[slate sun]

Does sustained fire make any sense on the trauma stick ?

anyone tried it out ?

If not - which blessings should one aim for ?

It seems that the shop offers anything but for me ...

[analog solstice]

what blessings would you want to go for on a purgatus staff?

[blissful radish]

hi damn is just built different, goddam

[slate sun]

flurry and nexus, so I heard

[analog solstice]

alright, how does the crit from nexus work on the burn staff considering most of it is burn damage 🤔

[vagrant cedar]

DUDE

the red items are still not out

and limited to 80%

this is madness

[vagrant cedar]

adds 2x flames

[short vessel]

Is the Trauma Force staff worth using?

[vagrant cedar]

no

burn staff > all

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma gud

[vagrant cedar]

49min tutorial how to carry teams with Purge staff and Axe in damnation on easy mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOOtPpZynM
you welcome

[short vessel]

Thanks! Difficulty isn't the problem tho, I'm just trying out some fun and good weapons

[vagrant cedar]

tips and tricks will give you that, unless you wanna learn all the mechanics on your own, i tried other combos but this one is the most fun to play, atleast for me

[willow escarp]

it’s in the running for best staff usually

but it’s definitely worth running, very fun and strong

[gloomy gulch]

so this seems alright lol

what do I even do here

like shred 4 and uh

flak instead of carapace

I assume

[last cradle]

When rolling perks is there any hotkeys, or we have to click up and down like mad men

[gloomy gulch]

well rampage doesnt even work here

[compact bluff]

the light attacks will proc rampage against groaners, but otherwise use a push attack to proc it since the duelling sword push attacks have a lot more cleave

[gloomy gulch]

I was in a horde just now and my light attacks were activating it

I see if I can get it to proc on the push attack then when I have it active it will proc on light attacks

[hot ice]

so does the rending apply for allies as well or is it only me

[bleak tulip]

rending is you

brittleness is applied to enemies

[hot ice]

oh thats what i meant, so allies can take advantage of the brittleness i apply then?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[hot ice]

thanks

[short vessel]

Fun fact: Some people are dicks when it comes to ammo

[hot ice]

wait theres a score screen?

[bleak tulip]

its a mod

[hot ice]

ahhhh

[gloomy gulch]

713 😮

[last cradle]

Deimos fs, should I swap out: 25% DMG(UNARMOURED) or 10% MELEE DMG(SPECIALISTS)

[upper galleon]

honestly, un armored to maniac

that's like 35% bonus damage to mutants?

[last cradle]

Guess I swap out Shred as well?

[fluid knot]

If you wanna keep Deflector sure, but the better you get, the less important it becomes, Shred/Slaughterer would be a lot more damage

[bleak tulip]

stats and perks arent perfect, its not like it would be a tremendous loss, its a fine sword but you can do better

might as well keep deflector if you like it

but yeah what phil said

switch unarmored to flak tho for sure

[olive ember]

ew

shred

deflector forever

also depending on how you use it unstable is probably better

[bleak tulip]

yeah but unstable isnt better than slaughterer is the point

[olive ember]

well yes

thats slaughterer

oh

he has deflector shred FS

lmao

[bleak tulip]

[olive ember]

yeah I'd go for deflector/slaughterer

but slaughterer/shred works i guess

idk what you are chain hitting on the deimos tho

[bleak tulip]

idk trash clear I guess

maulers?

no idea

[olive ember]

lmao

basically maulers and crushers I guess

assuming you aren't using special

[upper galleon]

big group of bruisers? idk

[last cradle]

Just adding to collection, was the last of the three fs

Don't think I have slaughter yet, what's it do again

[harsh urchin]

In a vacuum this is true

But not nevessarily for the deimos

For example on a build like purg or trauma which dont really need slaught can run unstable/deflector for the utility and breakpoint on mutants

And deflector is fine lol

Deflector is personal preference and I do think its better than shred

[last cradle]

I like it, nice to have when things go south

[slate sun]

Can someone share a working setup for the purgatus build ? I mean the feats

[last cradle]

All the soul blaze feats

[harsh urchin]

311112 should work

[slate sun]

I've tried 311212, but it just doesn't work for me, the most useful it gets is when I ult in the middle of a horde

but any kind of attempt to play it safe seems to go sideways ...

The warp charges just don't load up from the kills

I wonder what I'm doing wrong cause the stick should be decent enough

gonna try 311232...

[plucky flax]

I use wildfire with purg.

[slate sun]

maybe it's all because I'm playing heresy and mobs get cut down too fast ?

[plucky flax]

I think mobs need to die from the fire itself to have a chance to give warp charge.

Actually no don't think so.

[slate sun]

I think they do, if I have people with good crowd control around I'm usually running on an empty battery

gonna try to ruin the build further by trying kinetic flayer instead 😄

[vast rover]

are blessings earned on each staff type individually? i just got Nexus 4 on a surge, surrendered it to earn the blessing, but it doesnt show on my trauma list for rebless

it does show if i try to rebless another surge staff

[hidden crystal]

Yes, each staff is different pools.

[vast rover]

dick

thank you

[hidden crystal]

The name after the Mk is different.

[vast rover]

kinda weird that they can all take nexus, but you have to roll it once for each staff type

[hidden crystal]

Which is counter-intuitive, I admit.

But they are, as named, different weapon classes.

[hidden crystal]

I still think it's neat to be able to convert incoming ranged damage into toughness.

[hidden crystal]

Purees any horde that happens to be in front of you.

[slate sun]

So an update - kinetic flayer works, oddly enough, quite well with Purgatus

there is a lot of attacks per second with the fire so it triggers constantly

wildfire overall seems the better choice though ...

I really don't know how you guys make the warp battery work at all

it's just near impossible to load if the team has good clear time on lower diffs

[vast rover]

just pick the ones far away

[slate sun]

that would work if the fire stick had any range to speak of

[last cradle]

You're not supposed to just run around with the force staff out the whole match, you have to be using the blitz whenever you can

[slate sun]

but isn't it supposed to be the kit to blow up specials?
Should one keep popping heads on anything possible to keep 6 stacks ?

[last cradle]

You pull out the fire stick for suppressing hordes and elite groups for your team, wildfire spreads the stacks for you passively

[steel flame]

god dam the servers are total ass today

[vast rover]

how is the maccabian mark 2 dualing? its the 4 light atk and then the heavy combo has a crowd control swing

[steel flame]

its not great

[vast rover]

do you like any of the dueling

[steel flame]

i guess mkV has good defense

unfortunely the diemos does their roll better than they do

[vast rover]

gotcha

[steel flame]

dueling does have style points though

[vast rover]

it do indeed

sticking them with the pointy end is hilarious for staggering big bois

[last cradle]

I don't know if your game plan is actually W+M1 for 20 minutes, or if you're joking. Yes, you top up your own warp charges when you can. It doesn't have to be at 6 for the whole match.

[slate sun]

Not joking, honestly trying to substitute voidstrike with something viable for damnation 🙂
But I do admit that I use brain burst on dogs / trappers etc.
I don't run around looking to pop someting just to stack my warp charges, otherwise I end up starting an encounter with 70% peril

which I feel is sub optimal

[lyric burrow]

its actually not bad

high peril is more damage anyway, and if your running something like unstable power you have stacks

WU is also giving you more damage assuming your running it

the only downside to high peril is that you just need to be careful not to blow yourself up

[slate sun]

It just seems more reliable to have some breathing space at the start, then start managing the peril with kills / ult / switch to melee

[lyric burrow]

you can get used to high peril, but it depends on how you play really

its "technically" optimal, but thats only if your running shit like WU + Unstable/Warp nexus and also have warp battery so that BB can hit 2 shot breakpoints on crushers

[last cradle]

As long as you can clear damnation it doesn't really matter that much, honestly depends more on the team setup

[slate sun]

I've got flurry + nexus on the stick, the damage stacks up very nice on squishies, but anything armored seems to require more "umpf"

[vast rover]

i feel like illisi is a little soft on damn, but you need the security of clearing a horde

[slate sun]

I've seen some of you professionals blowing up entire rooms with bulwarks with the fire stick

but thats with warp battery + ult right ?

[lyric burrow]

yeah prob ascendant blaze

[upper galleon]

yee, wildfire spreading is so good

[lyric burrow]

burn stacks can get pretty insane

even KB + W&R does work on my revo build cause you can just build burn on ogryn packs and what not

[steel flame]

tahts what i do with my shredder build. W&R there to melt through everything around ogryn packs

31 sb stacks go weee

[spice veldt]

prob a combination of Warp Flurry/Rending Shockwave/Focused Channelling, or if you want to go for a soulblaze Trauma, Blazing Spirit/Warp Nexus

[nova locust]

What do y'all like for force sword perks? I'm usually a shoe in for Flak armor damage, since a lot of things have flak, but i've only got a few other ones I like otherwise.

[hidden crystal]

At the moment, I've got T4 Flak and T3 Elite damage on the Illisi I use. Elites wouldn't necessarily be my top pick, but it's what it came with from the store.

T3 Elites and T1 Deflector seemed like "Not perfect, but impossible for Hadron to completely ruin", because I was okay with keeping either of those if the next two consecrations came up with things I needed to re-roll.

And it's not too shabby - while it's a smaller bonus than the armour type bonuses, it applies against gunners, shotgunners, ragers and maulers, which isn't a bad selection to get a boost against. (Also arguably Ogryns, but it's very rare I'll fight those in CC rather than brain bursting them).

[blissful radish]

I got this thing, still fresh on trying out force swords since I mained the knife

[spice veldt]

Maniac is my other preferred perk for Mutants and Dreg Ragers

[lyric burrow]

Ill usually go maniac flak

Flak takes care of mixed hordes and maniac takes care of most of the important enemies

[harsh urchin]

Fyi when people ask "what are yall using for x"

Theyre asking for optimal endgame setup

Not for whatever shitty you are actually using 😂

So just tell em flak maniac

[spice veldt]

fyi people aren't always able to get their ideal combination of perks

it's good to know the second-best options

[lyric burrow]

Did i miss someones response

[spice veldt]

and they asked a broad question, so I think it's fine for people to have their own loose interpretation of it

it's not as though people on discord are obligated to respond to questions nor were they giving strong misinformation

they prefaced their opinion by saying that it "wouldn't necessarily be my top pick, but it's what it came with from the store"

[nova locust]

I appreciate all the inputs. Maniac wasn't something I had eyes on.

[spice veldt]

now if the questioner asked a more specific question such as straight up asking for the "optimal endgame setup", then that would be a wrong response

but they didn't, so that response is unoptimal but nevertheless appropriate for the question

[lyric burrow]

Maniac helps hit breakpoints on stuff like mutants, and also takes out a lot of disablers/high priority targets

[steel flame]

well this went from 0 to 100 pretty fast

[harsh urchin]

Its not a wrong response, its just a suboptimal response to what the asker was asking for lol

Doesnt matter anyways

[lyric burrow]

Since you cant always bb them

[spice veldt]

mattered enough for you to dunk on marco

[harsh urchin]

Well yeah

[spice veldt]

mutants can be real game enders and they always get close to you (and take 3x melee damage), so it's nice to have +maniac on your melee if you're not running a gun with good maniac damage

with +maniac on the illisi, I can consistently two-shot mutants with heavy-specials if I can land at least one headshot and I have some buffs up

[uncut pulsar]

hey guys i just got level 1 on psyker what should my loadout look like??

[steel flame]

?

[lyric burrow]

Uhhh

[cerulean estuary]

Grey

[lyric burrow]

What is default loadout

Its been too long

[steel flame]

sword and laspistol

or was it an axe

i dont remember

[spice veldt]

i think it's the devil claws

horrifying

[hidden crystal]

Yes, as far as the question that was asked, I do like Elite damage.

It's not ideal as Maniac, but it is still a good alternative - and at least with the current state of the crafting system, it is useful knowing what's a worthwhile substitute.

[hidden crystal]

Mk I Devil's Claw

[lyric burrow]

Devils claw is fun 😠

[steel flame]

what are you asking for exactly?

[spice veldt]

takes a brain to use which automatically removes it from the list of weapons i want to use

[lyric burrow]

That checks out

[hidden crystal]

... and then I think we never get access to any of the variants.

[lyric burrow]

Wym

Like a different version

Or mk 4 and 7

[hidden crystal]

I don't think psykers ever get access to the 4 and 7.

[steel flame]

uh yea

we get 4 and 7

[hidden crystal]

Do we? Shows how much attention I'm paying.

[steel flame]

its not like youre missing much

[lyric burrow]

Idk what mk 7 even does

Ive literally never seen it

[steel flame]

they suck

thats what they do

[lyric burrow]

I think mk 4 is fine

[steel flame]

i think 7 is the overhead chop sword

[lyric burrow]

Worse than like illisi obv

[steel flame]

which is just fucking terrible

[spice veldt]

mk7's heavies are overhead->sweep; mk4's heavies are sweep->overhead

the overhead has significantly better damage against maniacs and the like

[hidden crystal]

Yes, but then that does apply to quite a lot of weapons in the game.

[steel flame]

if i had to use a devil claw sword as my maniac damage, i might just let them kill me instead

[hidden crystal]

The Illisi is, to be fair, probably on the S-tier list.

[spice veldt]

envelop yourself into the mindset of a sadist who wishes to prolong the suffering of their target

[upper galleon]

can't dclaw parry ragers pretty well or do they not get stumbled in damnation

havne't bothered to test

[hidden crystal]

But yes, my current Illisi. Not great, but the number of these fragging things Hadron has ruined for me over time, I was just happy to get one with non-disastrous stats and a passable initial perk and blessing from the store:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133036349235146822/image.png

[spice veldt]

ragers have some attacks where they'll swing both of their axes, and those swings count as two hits
the Dclaws' parry has a minor cooldown, so you can only parry one of the hits of these multi-hits

and I think you'll need to run impact blessings to stagger them (when they're not doing a combo)

my other gripe with dclaws is that their heavies are just so damn slow

[strong gulch]

Use what you got. Psyker doesn't really come together until you have all of your feats; and feats vary a lot from build to build because there's so many ways to build them. On top of that, a lot of psyker specific weapons really need decent base rolls to feel good.

Trauma is the first staff that you have access to, but it feels like garbage with low stats.

[spice veldt]

a video from dclaw enthusiast tinyangrycrab https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZquyXlR3yV89I/d1337qJGmppT?invite=cr-MSxOSGosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

yeah charge rate on the trauma scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second, which is absolutely painful to use

It's the force staff with the widest stat scaling but also the first force staff you unlock

[strong gulch]

Criminal tbh

[spice veldt]

traumabros will rule the world once we get access to 1 second charge times

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jpexplosion-gif-5562850

[true bridge]

My lord, the electric staff is amazing, I haven't had the chance to test it properly, wow

[strong gulch]

I like surge, but it's specific in its use and can be a detriment.

Not surge related, but anyone else having issues with bursters not detonating when they run at you??

Might just be lag or something.

[true bridge]

Oh yes, if you're alone you're screwed but if the team does it's job, it's very entertaining to watch while you electrify everyone

[steel flame]

oh dear god

[strong gulch]

If you want details on how that staff operates, Ryken has the details.

[steel flame]

i could spam so fast

SO FAST

[strong gulch]

Surge def benefits from horde melee options.

[steel flame]

dont forget you also have the m1 on the surge staff too. it benifits from the crit stats on the stave so it has a high crit chance and high crit damage, and you can quell cancel it for fun zap then delete combos

[true bridge]

Wait what?, I haven't done m1, let me try

[steel flame]

i like it cause with warp unleashed and high peril it oneshot bodyshots alot of the trash mobs and deletes ragers, gunners and can power through maulers at range

[true bridge]

I have a random staff that I put together, what blessings should I be looking for in a future one?

[strong gulch]

M1 quell cancel can be tricky and fiddly, but it has its uses for sure.

You can shock a target with M2 to set them up for M1.

[true bridge]

It's not that I need a perfect one, because I've done the hardest diff with this one. But it'd be nice to have a good staff

[steel flame]

well for surge you want warp nexus to double your crit chance from 20% to 40%, then stick another 5% crit chance on there with the perk, i put maniac on their to boost the m1 on specials but flak works too. as for the second blessing i prefer terrifying barrage for suppressing stuff on m1 kills but many people like flurry instead for more traditional surge gameplay

[strong gulch]

The longer you charge M2, the more damage it does; especially to armor.

It is not great at unarmored and worse at infested.

If you still like surge later, running unarmored perk can help when dealing with shooters.

[steel flame]

yeah the lightning fucks up flack targets hard

[hidden crystal]

And this is a big part of why I ended up playing gunpsyker.

They don't give you any staves until Lvl 4, and then what they do give you is just awful.

[gloomy gulch]

so close yet so far

[spice veldt]

your cardio will impress all of the heretics

[stuck spruce]

they cant kill you if they cant catch you

[ornate hamlet]

Surge for surge when

[gloomy gulch]

Ive been trying to reroll my deimos and it was a mistake lol

the one I have is like the opposite, no mobility

[hidden crystal]

It is tempting to stack three +3 stamina curios with my old +1 Stamina Illisi.

Kark you, I have 13 stamina to block with.

[shadow wigeon]

I've tried it, it's so ridiculous with peril deflector. It's too much block.

[ornate hamlet]

Fragbrain

[shadow wigeon]

Are there any revolver siblings around?
I'm curious what perk/blessings/ and feats you like.

[hidden crystal]

Oh yes, and Kinetic Deflection.

[restive slate]

Mine has Crucian Roulette, Sustained Fire and Crit chance, Flak.

Though I'm trying to get Trickshooter for more power

[shadow wigeon]

Have you tried trick shooter? I find witn the stagger it’s hard to get it to proc more than once.

[gloomy gulch]

I was using surgical and hand cannon with 3,1,1,2,1,3 and having a lot of fun

[restive slate]

Not yet, I'm thinking it may help Ascendant Blaze when shooting into a horde

[gloomy gulch]

also using the rashad

[ornate hamlet]

I'd seek unarmored if you can't one-shot gunners with max-1 warp charges

Or if you never lose charges, max

I recommend surgical and crucian, or if you really want the reload speed do surgical and speedloader

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah the reload sped I noticed I felt more than with zealot, felt like I had less downtime.

[ornate hamlet]

I create the downtime

[shadow wigeon]

I run surgical and sustained on zealot, which I prefer over crucian, but i havent checked the breakpoints on psyker.

I tried point blank for a bit, which was decent, since I was using BB for long range kills anyway.

[gloomy gulch]

today just isnt my day

[shadow wigeon]

Have you tried it in Psykanium? It feels like it's bugged right now, you can only proc it by going full auto. I wanted to try it vs crushers but with the stagger and 1ms of uptime for the blessing it effectively felt impossible, to me.

[hidden crystal]

The answer, on Heresy (my current main difficulty), is that at point blank range, with +3 Stamina, Kinetic Deflection, T1 Deflector and 3x T3 Gunner Resist:

• Dreg Gunner maxes out the peril and takes down one stamina bar before he has to reload.
• Scab Gunner just breaks the block and does about 10-15 toughness damage (which can be immediately recovered from the peril I built up blocking him) before he has to reload.
• And the Reaper completely crashed the game (I might retry later).

But damn does the peril last longer than the stamina itself; I frequently underestimate just how much that feat increases your block.

[strong gulch]

Truly. Even on a non-FS weapon.

I'm leveling a zealot right now, and every time I try to res someone in a horde and it doesn't work I'm shocked pikachu face.

[hidden crystal]

I'm not sure if it's been rebalanced since, but the old datamined guides imply it's four times your max stamina.

[ornate hamlet]

If memory doesn't fail me, the melee weapon doesn't affect revive stamina

[lyric burrow]

Correct

It was patched iirc

[restive slate]

I haven't cause waiting for a tier3 one at least, is it that hard to maintain?

[ornate hamlet]

Very annoying, considering it's repeated weakspot

[lyric burrow]

Trickshooter is not good

Because of that

[shadow wigeon]

It's basically impossible

[spice veldt]

and the stacks basically almost immediately drop

[lyric burrow]

You can shoot someone in the head and the pen goes into another's guys body and stacks drop

Same if you miss or anything

[ornate hamlet]

Trickshooter is legit trash tier

I keep recommending surgical and crucian because one increases your "base" crit chance and the other still gives you enough stacks to be somewhat meaningful when you fire

My personal fire rate for the revolver sees me getting at least 2 stacks of surgical each shot, which with my tier 4 means 10%

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I think I recall seeing eight stamina bars when reviving (rather than the six I'd normally have with a FS and my +3 Stamina Curio).

But with kinetic deflection effectively quintupling that, that effectively means I've got 40 stamina worth of block when reviving.

You can see why they stopped deflector working on revives.

[spice veldt]

and that was also back in the day of kinetic deflection not stopping the passive quelling of peril

[hidden crystal]

Otherwise Ogryn's "revives cannot be interrupted" would be quite overshadowed.

[spice veldt]

it was very fun to just spam revive on a player for essentially ranged immortality and then to regen your toughness with quietitude

and reviving a player counted as holding a non-force weapon, so you had that fast ass passive quell as well

[hidden crystal]

Even now, the right psyker build is still basically "cannot be interrupted by hordes, lol".

[gloomy gulch]

I went hard with the purge staff

[restive slate]

Welp, saved me some plasteel I suppose

[gloomy gulch]

everything was blue

[restive slate]

Dabadee daba daa

[gloomy gulch]

lol

dang I just noticed I killed 1k lesser enemies

dang

[restive slate]

Purg is universally accepted as a really good staff

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I don't try to compete with Purge players on total kills. (And that's even considering I'm bringing an Illisi, which is normally a top-tier anti-horde weapon).

[restive slate]

It's not even close like a Bolter Vet vs Thammer Zealot in boss damage could be

[hidden crystal]

At that point, my job tends to be "stop them getting flanked".

Or, "deal with anything more than sneezing distance away".

[spice veldt]

it seems that reviving is a "weapon" with +4 stamina just from testing in the psyk

I think you also get that same stamina amount when you're climbing a ladder and whatnot

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I think +4 is the default when you've not got a primary or secondary weapon out.

Sprinting while I've got brain burst ready seems to be +4, certainly.

I've not tested if that holds true for other classes when using grenades.

(I might also have to pay attention next time I'm using an auspex as to what that is).

[hidden crystal]

But yes - support your team mates, don't compete with them!

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-tell-me-what-to-do-gif-13895358

[upper galleon]

tldr, support your meatbag teammates

if they are unsaveable, don't sweat it, but a moving target for the enemy is less pressure on you

[cyan notch]

hell no

they are gonna be left 4 dead

i didnt sign up to babysit some noob

[autumn smelt]

mc-fucking-scuse me

does warp resistance affect deflector?

[hidden crystal]

No.

Well, not directly.

You can inspect (by default V) the item to see specifics, but Warp Resistance is how much peril you generate when charging the sword.

[autumn smelt]

thats nice to know
either way, that warp resistance absolutely kills the sword

[hidden crystal]

And, if you're using the Kinetic Deflection feat, that may affect how much Peril you have left to use that, but Deflector itself does not directly generate peril.

[autumn smelt]

3 charges from 0 to 100

[autumn smelt]

yeah thats what i was referring to, since they tend to be used together

[strong gulch]

Depending on the build, low warp resistence can be useful.

[hidden crystal]

Some would argue that's a good thing if you're using feats or blessings that benefit from generating or quelling peril.

However, I would say that is at least a smidgen on the low side.

[autumn smelt]

ik, but generally with how i play, having that low resistance on my sword is generally not a great idea

[strong gulch]

Valid

[autumn smelt]

normally my sword is only in my hands when shits getting rough

[hidden crystal]

My current Warp Resist of 52% strikes a bit of a balance; generate quite a bit of peril when you want it, but not so much it's an issue.

[autumn smelt]

and at that point, my peril is not something im focusing a lot of my attention on

[hidden crystal]

Try eating more fibre.

[autumn smelt]

i can only get so many rations

[autumn smelt]

plus, even tho i use the quelling toughness feat, the only real means to quell at that point would be kills/lack of use of peril cuz youre too busy swinging and blocking and stuff

and that has no bearing on how much peril you have (cuz im at least gonna have some at that point lol)

[hidden crystal]

When the game doesn't crash, the reaper breaks the block and does about 50 toughness damage before they have to reload.

[cyan notch]

if ur using deflector warp res shouldnt be a big deal cuz ur not usually gonna be charging ur sword if ur on blocking mode

[autumn smelt]

yeah i just saw those perks and blessings on an illisi, which im wanting to try out since ive used deimos for eons

but i would also be charging it a lot, even with deflector

[autumn smelt]

which is why my joy crumbled to pieces when i saw this after checking what i got from that last mission

[cyan notch]

its free damage with warp unleashed and unstable power if u use that

i use a 16% illisi

[hidden crystal]

However, you might well want to use deflector to close in on a load of shooters, and then have some peril left you can actually charge the sword with when you get there.

[cyan notch]

sure but u can charge at 99%

and deflector doesnt bring u to 100%

[hidden crystal]

You can charge once at 99%.

[upper galleon]

I've blown myself up by doing the force sword shove attack before

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, that's also something I've mucked up on occasions.

[autumn smelt]

yeah, it gives 4%

[leaden pier]

siblings, does sprint efficiency mean that you will run faster or for longer?

[autumn smelt]

which is another reason why i like having high resist

[cyan notch]

longer

[leaden pier]

thank

[hidden crystal]

If that's what you want, then dependent on whether it's on a weapon or a curio, then either Stamina Regeneration or additional stamina are probably preferable.

These will still benefit your sprinting (albeit in different ways), but provide additional bonuses too.

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, being able to continuously spam the illisi's special is itself a boon to your damage output
the primary draw of a low warp res force sword was to generate peril for Quietitude; though now that I run Warp Absorption, I find myself going for a high warp res illisi; and there's also the toughness regen from melee kills

and because of battle meditation, you'll approach a point where your peril gen and battle med procs will, to some extent, cancel each other out especially if you have a high warp res

even if you can use your special at 99% peril, there comes a cost at having to quell from 100%
Either you wait 3 seconds for passive quelling to kick in, or you spend some APM and extra time (at least 0.25 seconds) to get a quell in quickly

[lunar hollow]

i had the experience yesterday of finding hordes so dense using an illisi special would net quell peril on hit

that was some shit

[spice veldt]

that 20 cleave isn't going to use itself

[lunar hollow]

slaughterer is a hell of a drug

quite annoyed my recording software shit itself for a bit that was pretty cool

[spice veldt]

i can only dream of a 100% warp res force sword with 5% peril gen

[lunar hollow]

what fatshark stat scaling does to a mf

[spice veldt]

psykers will actually get quite the buff once they release 100% weapons

[lunar hollow]

monkey's paw curls

every patch leading up to it nerfs psyker

[spice veldt]

no

[lunar hollow]

u know it to be true

[spice veldt]

no

[lunar hollow]

smh

[cyan notch]

i aint reading allat

u either have low damage spam or high damage spam (with quelling sometimes)

[spice veldt]

being able to continuously spam the special also contributes to the damage output

[cyan notch]

yea but u can do that too with battle meditation

[spice veldt]

battle meditation is nice but still unreliable

with a higher warp res, you can be more confident that you can just spam your special with no care in the world

[cyan notch]

dont need it

i can already spam with no care in the world with 16% warp res

[spice veldt]

it's more unreliable when i'm fighting a ranged/elite patrol where I will not be able to kill as many enemies as I would against a groaner/poxwalker horde

being able to spam more specials in a row ensures that I can keep ragers/maulers staggered and potentially kill more shooters than I will lose toughness

[plucky flax]

That's rip

[autumn smelt]

I felt like i needed a shower when I was testing it out

It felt so gross

[plucky flax]

77% warp resistance poxwalkers horde clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7NFiQFqZXY

[plucky flax]

RIP upgrading

[regal jasper]

Imagine if they were all 80%

[plucky flax]

They are removing locks nextweek™

[last cradle]

So you can swap perks/blessing at any point?

[plucky flax]

We will know more details on thursdays this week.

It could be "Nah we're not removing locks"

[near wyvern]

I bet it's something like pay X diamantine to remove a lock but everything else stays the same so getting that double perk will be a pain

[urban hearth]

does essence harvest still work at full stacks

i would assume it does

i will pay 5000 diamantine to remove a lock

[hidden crystal]

Yes.

[urban hearth]

does it give you 60% if you have the talent that gives you 2 stacks each time

[hidden crystal]

No, essence harvest itself does not stack.

[urban hearth]

just refreshes the duration each time then

[hidden crystal]

But it will still trigger if you've got maximum warp charges.

[hidden crystal]

Yes. It's one of the limits of it. (Which is disappointing when I believe that Vet's elite killing toughness regen does stack)

[hidden crystal]

Call me miserly, but I'd prefer it was priced at a level where it wasn't quite so many play hours worth of diamantine, even if I have got a fairly large pile of it right now.

I'd like crafting to be something where I can experiment with a new perk or blessing combination, or try a different weapon type spontaneously.

5000 diamantine might be something a few people can afford a few times early on, but it would quickly put us right back in the situation of getting a perk we didn't want and then having to play hours more missions to get enough resources to try again.

[plucky flax]

500 seems fair.

2 rounds of damnation to unlock.

[hidden crystal]

That would be more palatable.

Even if people do have large piles of diamantine right now, the pricing needs to be something that's sustainable in the long run.

[glossy hazel]

Warp Nexus + Surge or Warp Nexus + Blazing Spirit for Trauma?

Both sound equally fun, fiery explosion or double boom

[near wyvern]

Surge only works for LMB. Blazing Spirit works on RMB inner and outer radius as well in addition to LMB.

[glossy hazel]

Didn't know that, Blazing it is then

[near wyvern]

You gotta have Warp Nexus 4 +5% crit chance perk and almost maxed out charge rate & blast radius for it to be good.

[plucky flax]

Ready to meme.

[thorn cedar]

Uhhh question for yall. At some point the Toughness Damage Reduction feat changed from 10-33% based on Peril to being based on Warp Charges. Since when >.> Also does it actually?

[spice veldt]

nah; they just got "Peril" and "Warp Charge" mixed up again

it still scales off of peril

they updated the description to omit the "...from ranged attacks" in one of the recent patches

[cosmic sigil]

interesting, i take less dmg in my runs with thy wrath than without

[thorn cedar]

That's too bad, I'd like the feat way more if it was on Warp Charges.

[cosmic sigil]

imagine that feat on psyker

holy molly

like the highest the peril or the more warp charges you have, the more you are immune to suppression

[hot ice]

does this mean my next attack is 100% cr?

[exotic comet]

yes

[hot ice]

thanks

need the soulblaze on crits blessing now and it will be perfect for my purgatus build

[spice veldt]

i don't manage my warp charges at all so i'm on team peril for kinetic shield

[plucky flax]

It's not as good as shred cos the mob need to not die for soulblaze stack to appear.

[hot ice]

tru

[plucky flax]

It's not as good as just normal slaughterer but it's meme so it's better.

[thorn cedar]

it's way hard to ditch kinetic shield. but if that toughness feat was warp charges, i'd at least consider it lol

it's awful to have it attached on peril (imo anyway) since peril fluctuates so much. it's very unreliable

[spice veldt]

I primarily see it as a melee feat since its the one weapon that you can use at high peril consistently, and I like it since it's an in-the-moment tradeoff

I like it even more now that I run warp absorption

and also because I dislike having to manage warp charges or pick the warp charge gen feats besides flayer

[hot ice]

i like the lvl30 talent that gives me 2 warpcharges instead of 1

pairs well with warp battery

[spice veldt]

i do think that kinetic shield, along with warp absorption, are one of the feats that would benefit from a force staff that doesn't require >1 seconds of charging to be used for damage

and then they can finally nerf warp absorption from 15% back to 10%

[thorn cedar]

i dont like, hyper-focus on my warp charges

but theyre definitely much easier to upkeep than peril. kinetic flayer is a good example of that. you'd at least be able to say that you're at whatever % of damage res 4 charges can provide at almost all times

[spice veldt]

I like to ramp my peril before I dive a bunch of shooters for some toughness DR since that's +49% effective toughness at 100% peril

which comes at the cost of getting punished if I ever meet a rager

or I don't have the free peril to throw a bolt LMB to stagger a gunner/reaper and then I have to quell and then I die because of my foolishness

it's that sort of risk-reward that I like

[hot ice]

speaking of shooters i remember when I was stunlocked to death because a hotshot lasgunner was above me when he ripped into me

since i was crouched i couldnt move out of sight and because i was mega supressed my screen was just black

[spice veldt]

oooooh yeah

that screen blackening happens whenever your toughness goes to 0%

so presumably you were regenning toughness constantly from quietitude or something

it's so annoying

[hot ice]

most likely yeah

[spice veldt]

gunners are a real menace if you don't notice them and then you get caught out

i treat them like ragers with guns that can be staggered

[hot ice]

shooters in general now are a lot more trigger happy than in the beta/release

[spice veldt]

I went down a dropdown once and immediately got stunlocked by a gunner, which sent me into a panic and into my untimely death

[hot ice]

cuz i remember all i needed to trivialise them was to run up to them, but they start shooting at you a lot faster than before

[hot ice]

i know that feel

[spice veldt]

could also be the step up into difficulty

[hot ice]

blind drop into the sights of like 3 gunners

[spice veldt]

since enemy behavior has some changes from difficulty to difficulty

[hot ice]

[spice veldt]

e.g., Gunners will have a way longer volley on Damnation than on lower difficulties

[hot ice]

that could be true

you are most likely right lmao

[spice veldt]

they did tweak ranged enemies a bit, though I only know of nerfs to them

Stalkers and Shotgunners had their toughness damage multipliers dropped and whatnot

so shotgunners no longer take all of your toughness, half of your health, and your dignity with a single blast

[hidden crystal]

I was not best pleased the time we got a TPK because a gunner decided he could shoot through a walkway we absolutely could not return fire through.

[spice veldt]

that death favela on the desert maps?

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I think it was Relay Station specifically.

We were trying to get up, and on the last section up the side, we just got completely annihilated from a gunner on the walkway above.

[thorn cedar]

fuckin horrifying times

hear shotgun cock
sweat audibly from fear

[hidden crystal]

Had I really been on the ball, I might have been able to soak enough of it with Deflector to find a way around, but no, we all died.

[thorn cedar]

"WHERE IS HE?!"

[spice veldt]

i've been fortunate to not have too many ranged spawns on the areas above where they can shoot through a one-way

but I also think I have a habit of avoiding certain areas

[hot ice]

mfw you get juggled by like 5 shotgunners and you are the only one not downed

[spice veldt]

i simply pray to god and anime that they don't shoot me in the interim of my dodge-slides

[hot ice]

desynced shooting from a group of shotgunners and its joever real quick if they dont get taken care of

[hidden crystal]

With my +3 Stamina, KD and Deflector build, I'm actually surprised by how little a dent a shotgun puts in my block.

[spice veldt]

at least they made it easier to melee-lock shotgunners

i think I still had a post-nerf moment where I got shot in the middle of my dodge-slides and immediately died to 5 shotgunners

guess which map this happened on

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, that was also something I noticed when in the Psykanium testing it.

They really do swap to their melee a long way out.

[hot ice]

it would be really funny if they didnt swap to melee

because well, they have shotguns

[spice veldt]

and also being one of the few enemies that I'd rather they swap to melee at close range rather than sticking with their ranged weapons

since dodge-slides provide a lot of uptime against ranged attacks

but shotgunners completely ignore the ranged damage reduction on toughness break

[plucky flax]

Run deflector.

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/CYoalxaVzKA

[harsh urchin]

nice clutch

i like the chill indian music

[plucky flax]

Cheers. Funnily enough the lvl 25 psyker was better than the 420 guy.

[lyric burrow]

That was pretty good

Don't let arco see those lights tho

[plucky flax]

Light spam is op against groaners.

[shadow wigeon]

This was re: revolver build, and I agree caxe really makes it. I tried revolver with Illisi and it just felt like it had a big gap in the damage. Caxe makes revolver feel awesome.

[thorn cedar]

i have done probably 150hrs of just caxe rev zealot and i approve this message

[shadow wigeon]

It's such an odd build. So much burst damage. on histg I found it a bit risky, but im still dialing in the playstyle.

[shadow wigeon]

What's your preferred feats and revolver blessings?

[gloomy gulch]

100% combate axe makes it very fun

I run BM and decimator on my caxe for this build

[shadow wigeon]

I prefer headtaker for being able to push block, but I am doing 111113

peril push blocking with caxe feels like going back to the pre-illisi glory days.

[thorn cedar]

blessings is speedloader and point blank for me

[near gale]

Just learned: Releasing right click removes all warp flurry charges... :/

[shadow wigeon]

mmhmmm gotta stay in the zone for flurry

[near gale]

for the purgatus

[shadow wigeon]

All staffs are like that. Why I like Focused Channeling on Purgatus. You can get right in their faces and not worry about losing flurry stacks.

[near gale]

Hmph

[shadow wigeon]

M-yes. Indeed.

[harsh urchin]

this is why you should never pull out

[near gale]

Time to get people killed, since I haven't played my psyker in like... 3 months >.>

So, uh, are all force swords not affected by first target for the warp attack? Or is it just the illisi, or w/e?

[spice veldt]

it's just the illisi

scales fine on the obscurus/deimos but not the illisi for whatever reason

[spice veldt]

i'll make you see the light

[plucky flax]

[near gale]

Is it because it hits multiple targets?

[spice veldt]

my guess was that they copied over the ppsword's stuff over to the illisi and forgot about the first target stat

i bug reported it and it was acknowledged so we'll see

[granite halo]

What's wrong with first target and illisi?

[spice veldt]

the special of an illisi with 0% first target will do the same damage as an illisi with 80% first target to the 1st target hit in a swing

the "problem" being that it doesn't scale

it still scales on the normal attacks

[cosmic sigil]

So the special should do more DMG?

[spice veldt]

or less, depending on how they want to scale it

[patent steeple]

so illisi without special is for single target, while illisi with special is for horde clear?

[hidden crystal]

The special still does much more damage to a single target than a standard attack, it just doesn't get bonuses versus a single target.

[strong gulch]

Still special for high threat singles.

More damage, more cleave, and can stagger.

[hidden crystal]

What I may do differently against a single target though is specifically push them over first.

Partly because it's funny.

[strong gulch]

It is funny. Knocking over big guys.

[patent steeple]

right, ok yeah i see.

also, idk why but i have all the psyker starter penances (aka the non-redacted ones) except for the one that requires completing 100 missions as psyker meanwhile i have yet to earn the first starter penance headgear cosmetic for any other class...

in other words, i have found the progression/starter penances to be easier on psyker than any other class...

[strong gulch]

So close, yet so far.

[hidden crystal]

I still don't have the penance for cancelling Perils (which has several bundle penances locked behind it), because with my builds it involves screwing up.

[strong gulch]

I just cranked it out. I thinks it's kinda fun interesting to encourage people to try different ways of playing.

BUT I don't like that one. Actively telling the player to play badly is not great.

[spice veldt]

it's fine for getting a single blast out of a staff once more, but warp flurry also exists

[strong gulch]

The only thing I can think of is that penance is trying to make you let go a bit and use your ability/ ult.

Still, humbug.

[hidden crystal]

I can see teaching newbies that it is a safety net is useful, but as a max level psyker, all of the Lvl 30 perks make your ult work in ways where using it to Perils cancel is frequently wasteful or inefficient.

(While yes, quicken can be used to farm the penance, the fact it throws away all your warp charges means that using it unnecessarily isn't great).

[limber silo]

how important is blast radius on void?

[granite halo]

I got it knocked out easily running a quicken trauma staff warp flurry build

Green circles for days

[harsh urchin]

I believe it is not as important as other stats due to target cap

[empty shuttle]

What are the best blessing combos for illisi?

[harsh urchin]

Slaught + deflector/unstable/bloodthirsty

[empty shuttle]

ty

slaught is mandatory?

[harsh urchin]

Correct

[empty shuttle]

ty!

[gloomy gulch]

so first target on the deimos

I thought all the attacks were single target?

can I like poke through one and hit another?

[ashen schooner]

yea everything has some cleave

[limber silo]

fs is deceptively long

[spice veldt]

l1 has 1 cleave and h2 has 1.5 cleave

so the l1 can hit two groaners (0.75 hitmass), and the h2 can hit two groaners/poxwalkers (1 hitmass)/dreg stalkers (1.25 hitmass)/scab stalkers (1.25 hitmass)

enemy hitmass can be found from here (by commissartyr) https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid

[steel flame]

I FUCKIN LOVE WHEN THERE ARE 4 POX BURSTERS INSIDE EACH OTHER AND IT JUST NUKES YOU FROM THE FACE OF THE PLANET

its the best

you cant dodge it cause the first one takes the push, explodes and sends the otherones into you even when you dodge

[urban hearth]

lightning go bzzzzt

[spice veldt]

that's what my teammates are for

my top-tier strat has just been to let my teammates take them

zealot/ogryn teammates? have at the bursters because they two-shot me

if they're psykers or vets, then sucks to be them

[urban hearth]

i mean i play plasma gun 95% of the time so i kill them before there visible to my team usually lol

[spice veldt]

i run trauma but its ability to aim at elevation in a jiffy is very dubious, and I don't trust my vision to not accidentally blow up my teammate

so it's every man for himself at that point

i used to never run hp but then I realized that you only need 151 max hp and at least 101 hp so that you don't die to two poxbursters

[gloomy gulch]

oh well that doesnt sound so great tbh

[spice veldt]

yeah though the damage bonus on the l1 and h2 makes up for it

[true bridge]

I think this is the best I could put together from what I already had in the inventory. Is this ok or should I change or search for something else?

[steel flame]

Very nice

[strong gulch]

That's quite nice!

Personally, I like unarmored perk because of some of the shooters (not for horde).

That a really nice staff tho.

[true bridge]

Well I can change that one later if it's not locked to try it right? As much as I want?

[strong gulch]

Correct. The only thing standing in the way is time and patience. There is a mod to help with refining a weapon.

Sitting there forever just clicking drives me up the wall.

[true bridge]

We should have a list and pay with materials for what we want

[strong gulch]

Just being able to pick after paying for free would be nice.

[true bridge]

Oh yes, because we already paid, you're right

[strong gulch]

Pay for free is funny tho

[spice veldt]

i have so many weapons with good stats but bad perks/blessings that I have hopium for

this is my most painful example

[urban hearth]

hahaha oh boy

[spice veldt]

the blessing I swapped out was Surge

and I think the swapped out perk was groaners/poxwalkers

elites isn't great but it is acceptable

[urban hearth]

if you think thats bad

BEHOLD

[spice veldt]

but the game decided to give me the two most non-functional blessings on trauma

[spice veldt]

it is a cruel world

[urban hearth]

literaly perfect stats

absolutely mangled perks and blessings

[spice veldt]

damn i can not play psyker drunk

i died two times to horde enemies

[lunar hollow]

ogryn has no such problem

[spice veldt]

smh

worst part is that i can't tell even what i did wrong

i think i just lost my rhythm of spamming dodges

[lunar hollow]

run kinetic deflection and spam push every time you're in danger

[spice veldt]

no

[lunar hollow]

i do that while sober

fuck u

[spice veldt]

oh well

time to terrorize another pub match with my performance

[lunar hollow]

godspeed bb

[main jolt]

how useful is applying bleed stacks? just got a chain sword with bloodletter

[plucky flax]

So illisi buff if they fix it

[strong gulch]

I've done that. I was impressively bad.

[strong gulch]

Bleed is affected by warp unleashed. So that's cool.

I like bleed for when I have to melee a boss by myself; but if I have that in mind, I'm taking a knife with lacerate.

[grizzled iris]

A chain sword with 25 maniac and unyielding with 5 warp charges allows you to kill a mutant, bulwark and reaper in 1 reved heavy

Bloodletter allows you to shred bosses

16 stacks of bleed with full charges is doing nearly 400 dmg a tick

Only problem with chainsword on psyker is the lack of defence the weapon provides

[steel flame]

You can get bleed to like 700-800 a tick if you ramp it up with a pinning/blaze shredder

[main jolt]

having the stagger on the force swords is definetly very nice

i'd probably just brain burst bulwarks and the like though

i'll try it out in the psykanium for sure though

[shadow wigeon]

I didn't even know you could roll T1 blessings on that item level, jeeez, oof.

[fiery atlas]

so, can we agree

we love being brainchads

[main jolt]

[spice veldt]

i was so focused on the fact that it was transfer peril that I didn't realize it was t1

holy shit

[spice veldt]

[plucky flax]

Easy 1 shot mutie then I bet.

Too op.

[spice veldt]

no psyker melee is too weak

just look at the duelling swords

therefore

buff illisi

[plucky flax]

Mk5 duelling sword kinda op

[spice veldt]

the maniac has been duelled

[restive slate]

How viable is chainsword with Rending Trauma?

I still think vets should have Duelling sword too, fits the Cavalryman theme

[obsidian marten]

@spice veldt about your message from 8 hours ago, ilis sword special also does not add extra crit damage from finesse

[plucky flax]

2 plasteels

[hidden crystal]

Well balanced resource requirements.

[spice veldt]

finesse scales the crit/weakspot dmg of the illisi's special, but the special just has a lower crit/weakspot multiplier
Here's a video with two 79/90 dmg/first target Illisis with two different finesse stat. https://streamable.com/k7ezix

• The first illisi has 71% Finesse, dealing 607 crit dmg with a special-light to the body (crit at the 10 second mark)
• the second one has 80% Finesse. dealing 612 crit dmg (the crit happens at 40 seconds)

[spice veldt]

psyker is your class with the lowest levels 😢

[lunar hollow]

owned

[spice veldt]

get out of here

[strong gulch]

Did you run a mission with psyker named Beans today?

[lunar hollow]

wtf????

i dont deserve that treatment

[spice veldt]

which of your class has the lowest levels

huh

tell me

(ignoring your 2nd zealot)

[obsidian marten]

Yeah i just tried again, i got so close to + 50% damage i just assumed it was using the base multi

[spice veldt]

yeah fatshark ought to just write this information somewhere so that we don't need to test or get confused

[lunar hollow]

cherrypicking.

[spice veldt]

i only really figured out that the illisi/power sword's special has a lower crit multiplier from staring at the calculator all the time

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[obsidian marten]

I was testing blood thirsty, hoping it would be good

i guess its ok

[spice veldt]

yeah it's fine

for illisi's special crits have a bit of an unusual property

for most weapons, the crit damage multiplier drops after the first target hit in your swing

but illisi's special will maintain its crit damage for the first 3 targets hit

(power sword's special and Duelling Sword's push-attack also have this property)

of course, this comes at the cost of the lower crit damage in the first place, but that does counteract it

[plucky flax]

I dunno are you EU or NA?

[plucky flax]

Soon it'll be 3rd. RIP ogryn.

[spice veldt]

here's a simple numerical comparison between Unstable Power and Bloodthirsty

I personally like Unstable Power more, but Bloodthirsty is pretty appealing

[strong gulch]

NA

[obsidian marten]

yeah using unstable power/slaughter when im feeling all meta, gone back the the tact axe for a bit. Planning to try uncanny strike one day. was playing around with it on the dueling sword

[plucky flax]

Then don't think I did. I am EU server.

[strong gulch]

Gotcha. I played a match with someone named UnsanctionedPsyker earlier. Didn't know if that was you or a different UnsanctionedPsyker.

[plucky flax]

Huh..

I'll check my logs.

When I was playing psyker yesterday and today I got Wololo, Crucio, KsCRASH, WHITEGHOST, Mia as fellow psyker.

So must have been someone else.

[strong gulch]

Doppelganger

[plucky flax]

What level was he? 👀

[harsh urchin]

yeah I personally like bloodthirsty

enables some more combos

do you know if the guaranteed crit works with the special?

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you special spam you get infinite crit as long as you kill a dude.

[harsh urchin]

yeah it feels great to be able to just slice through ragers

even if you don't hit head

[strong gulch]

I don't remember. 🥲

[plucky flax]

Guy probably much better than me. I'm the fake one.

[strong gulch]

You can both be fake. Like processed cheese food.

https://tenor.com/view/queso-nacho-nacho-cheese-gif-14979471

[worn heron]

@spice veldtI LOVE YOU

THANK U

[lunar hollow]

ntr

[safe crystal]

G'bye everyone, thanks for tolerating me in your strike teams if i ended up in one.

[regal jasper]

Are you dying?

Don’t do that

[worn heron]

ARCOOO

wait this isn't zel chat..

[regal jasper]

Lmao

[spice veldt]

if only you didn't blow me up constantly

[regal jasper]

Blowing things up is fun tho

[spice veldt]

i'd prefer to not be the thing that is being blown up

[regal jasper]

Fair enough

[spice veldt]

owned with facts and logic

[lunar hollow]

maybe if u called me a psyker main i wouldnt have to

[spice veldt]

being called a psyker main is something you have to earn

such as by not having it as the class with the lowest levels

[regal jasper]

Psyker squad?

[lunar hollow]

its not though

thats zealot

smh

[regal jasper]

Id be down for a game if yall were im just saying

I’ve had all ogryn squads but never more then 1 class when im not playing ogryn

[worn heron]

what's ur region..

[worldly iron]

Is this Feat worth it?

Never used Cerebral Lacerations before

[spice veldt]

I personally don't like cerebral lacerations but some like it

I know that @feral verge uses it

[regal jasper]

North America probably

[worldly iron]

again stack works with other perks/feats?

[spice veldt]

i haven't tested it, but it presumably stacks multiplicatively with damage sources

[feral inlet]

cerebral lacerations lets you consistently 2shot crushers with brainbursts

• it buffs everyone's damage against high hp enemies (bosses)

i wouldnt really run mind in motion, since the other two feats available are near infinite blocking (if you manage your peril correctly) and up to +49% effective toughness

[near wyvern]

@worldly iron
https://youtu.be/Ol6rO_yEC7Q

[worldly iron]

@near wyvern thanks

[near wyvern]

And fine details are in the steam guide, link in the video description and also pinned on this channel

[hidden crystal]

Everyone else being psyker is probably the second rarest team combo I've seen. Everyone else Vet is not uncommon, I've had a few everyone else zealots (including once when they all had flamers), and been surrounded by ogryns...

... and have been one of three psykers on a team quite a few times (with all combinations of the remaining player as vet, ogryn or zealot), but an all psyker team is unusual.

(The rarest combo I've seen is probably an all-female team).

[regal jasper]

Women aren’t real thats why

[worldly iron]

The best combo is the Cadian Veteran (Cutthroat), Loner and Seer Psyker (For the dialogue) where they talk about Cutthroat letting go of his anger but he can't because thats the only thing he had left and wants to avenge cadia

[strong gulch]

Love how excited seer psyker is whenever they see stairs.

[plucky flax]

My beloved has nothing on my angry German accent.

[hidden crystal]

Getting excited by stairs is a violation of protocol.

[strong gulch]

feck

[spice veldt]

i guess using the trauma staff is out of character for them

[strong gulch]

Makes sense with the way trauma looses it's shit with those slotted stairs. Seer loves stairs too much. 🥲

[bleak tulip]

usually when it's triple psyker one leaves because they can't be assed to ask for staves

sure would be nice if the game showed the ranged weapons without a mod

[strong gulch]

Even the mod can't show which staff is being used with staff skins. 😩

[bleak tulip]

yeah, luckily that's not super common for me at least

and hey at least multiple purg has some effect with ab

[strong gulch]

true. can't see anything ever

[spice veldt]

there's another mod that lists out the name of the weapons that somebody is using during the ready screen

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/160

it looks like this

it also shows the feats that somebody is using

[bleak tulip]

maybe one day staff left click will actually be a viable option for ranged combat without having to resort to quell cancelling and people won't leave multi psyker teams for what I assume is fear of being outranged

[spice veldt]

though presumably that image is from before they added that

yeah a more offensive staff LMB would be nice

like, the one we have is nice for stagger and all, but I sure do love my killing

warp glock when

[bleak tulip]

I wish

[strong gulch]

Thanks for the link

[spice veldt]

no longer will you be deceived by people slapping the poptart skin onto their purgatus

[strong gulch]

trickses

To be fair, I put a voidstrike skin on all of my staves.

Yes it confuses me.

[spice veldt]

it is a nice skin

seems to be the lighter model of the voidstrike

[strong gulch]

Yes I've rerolled and bartered the wrong staff.

[spice veldt]

i don't much like the bulkiness that our current staffs have around the top

[spice veldt]

(owned)

[strong gulch]

same

[hidden crystal]

A very welcome mod, but even so I still end up running MG12/Illisi all the time; it's a formula I refined reasonably well before I got the mod, and now running anything else would mean the pain of trying to grind up equivalent gear.

(Also, given that much of the time the game just dumps you in a mission without telling you who's already in the squad, I keep what I know as my default).

Maybe if the upcoming crafting changes make it so that Hadron doesn't ruin three quarters of what she's given...

[spice veldt]

yeah i pretty much run trauma + illisi all the time

i primarily got the loadout monitor to check what weapon people were using when looking over old footage and to give some more info in the scoreboard

since that mod also adds the loadout info to the scoreboard

[plucky flax]

I am having fun with duelling sword 5. Too bad I don't have shred 4 + uncanny 4 combo.

[hidden crystal]

Indeed.

And see, I can outkill three veterans even though I brought a gun:

[spice veldt]

always nice to flex on them

I did partially download it to make a point about trauma + illisi if I ever posted my scoreboard screenshots

though most people here agree that trauma is good so that's been moot

[plucky flax]

https://streamable.com/dzwajf

[spice veldt]

duelling sword's single-target is better than I thought

[lunar hollow]

man spends all that time in the calculator

doesn't know all the weapon damage numbers by heart

[spice veldt]

eat my ass

[lunar hollow]

any time

[hidden crystal]

Well, yeah, it's a duelling sword, it wouldn't be much use if it wasn't good against only one person.

[plucky flax]

It's op I deleted all my force swords.

[mossy surge]

[plucky flax]

The combo bruh.

[hidden crystal]

I don't normally pay too much heed to the scoreboard beyond being able to convince myself I'm not (usually) the one dragging the team down.

The scoring's certainly questionable.

[strong gulch]

I am such a magpie. I constantly change my build. I have 2 psykers in part because 5 loadout slots isn't enough. Also outfits.

[raw swift]

is this blessing good or shit

[hidden crystal]

Yes, it is one of those two choices.

[plucky flax]

Best staff skin btw.

[hidden crystal]

(I don't like it, but some people can make it work with combo cancelling).

[raw swift]

is this better

[hidden crystal]

I don't tend to play with axes, but I believe the preferred Blessings on the Tactical Axes are Brutal Momentum, Decimator and Headtaker.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah im pretty sure thats correct

Perks are what youd expect, +damage to maniac or flak or w/e since i wanna say that crit isnt worth unless your zealot

[hidden crystal]

Psyker's got a low base crit chance and no feats that interact with or improve crits, so they only really prove worth it as a mechanic if you've got something like Warp Flurry giving a really big buff to your chances.

I don't run any crit boosting perks or blessings, and looking at the scoreboard I posted above, that equated to all of 37 crits in an entire mission (and checking other scoreboards, about 40 is indeed fairly typical).

[hidden crystal]

... perhaps not terrible, should I ever lose enthusiasm for gunpsyker.

[last cradle]

Psyker gun feels so bad, im using a MG xii. What should i change

[hidden crystal]

Well, this is my psyker's MG XII: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133688552912322580/Kantrael_MG_XII.png

[void arch]

Try a staff you clown

[ornate hamlet]

use revolver

[hidden crystal]

If they ever offer a way to remove locks, I might try something else instead of Reload Speed (possibly Unarmoured, possibly Elite damage), but generally I'm happy with it.

[last cradle]

I do run staves usually, just wanted to try gun psy before I shit on it

[hidden crystal]

The Between the Eyes/Ghost combo works quite well for Psyker.

You need to be able to aim well, but the immunity to ranged attacks and suppression can let you exchange fire with shooters, gunners and particularly reapers very well.

It's definitely different to staff psyker... but then, that's kind of the point.

[plucky flax]

I can't aim that's why I use staff.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[thorn cedar]

In my experience so far as Gun Psyker, you want the gun to do two things:

• Be reliably available whenever you're maxed on Peril (draw speed, magazine size, reload speed)
• To quickly finish off the handful of enemies that don't die to Brain Burst

To that end I've been stuck on Revolvers and Laspistol

[strong gulch]

You don't really have to worry about staff attacks being stopped by other players, in particular Ogryns.

So revolver seems more appealing with that in mind.

[near wyvern]

Try MGIV with feats 111111

[last cradle]

Please, being able to ads is the least of the problems. I just don't see where it makes up for the lack of staff, and all the cc/horde clear it provides, for the trade off of taking down elite specials at range, which you can do with bb anyway

[thorn cedar]

I want to like the MGIV but I absolutely detest its 1.75/s stamina cost for sprinting ):

[ornate hamlet]

Guns are faster than BB at killing most elites

CC and horde clear can be easily provided with many melee weapons

[last cradle]

I don't have the perfect gun, but i doubt one more blessing would make the run any better than with a staff

Or maybe Im a tard for trying to run it in damnation

[thorn cedar]

Revolver is incredibly stacked for Psyker. You hit the majority of its important breakpoints with just four Warp Charges (let alone six, let alone Warp Unleashed). And unlike Veteran, you aren't complete dogshit at melee, and unlike Zealot, your buffs aren't distance dependent.

[hidden crystal]

I settled on the MG12 on the basis that the Illisi already makes mincemeat of most things that get close (and it's still decent against light stuff even when not charged), I've got Deflector to help me get close to stuff up to about mid distance, and so it's stuff past the mid distance that's a problem. (And while brain burst can deal with that at a pinch, it's slow, and often finicky about what it targets).

[thorn cedar]

MGXII is boring to me sadly. Big DMR vibes lol. Very effective gun that has little room for player expression.

[hidden crystal]

Sure, if there's a decent vet on the team, stuff in the distance may not be a problem, but you can never be sure what your team's going to be in public games.

[thorn cedar]

I'll never call it bad but after a couple weeks of using it way back on launch I never felt the need to use it again.

[ornate hamlet]

I hate the suppression the player takes on the MG12

A single bullet flies by you and your hand is already shaking like you had a degenerative neuron disease

[thorn cedar]

Bring back Psyker Shotguns >;(

[hidden crystal]

It's not a gun I feel benefits from crit perks or blessings, especially on Psyker. With it being a slow to fire precision weapon, Psyker's 5% crit chance just means it messes with breakpoints at random rather than it being a consistent boost to overall damage. Also, with it already being high damage, crits are frequently just going to be wasted.

[last cradle]

Yeah it works absolutely fine for picking off elite/specials, I don't contest that. It just does nothing for the team in the event arena

[ornate hamlet]

It doesn't need to

You have a second weapon slot

[hot ice]

so close....

picked this up with like ~40sec to go before refresh haha

[hidden crystal]

If my game were slightly less crash prone, I'd actually try recording one of my playthroughs. MG12 Psyker is at least somewhat unusual as a build.

[steel egret]

Is it?

[ornate hamlet]

Usually the mention of "gun psyker" is basically "oh cool, which blessings do you put on your autopistol?"

I roll my eyes a bit

[steel egret]

Atleast around launch everyone ran XII Gunker.

[hidden crystal]

It's certainly not a build I've seen much. Autopistol dominates the gunpsyker builds I've played alongside.

[last cradle]

Autopistol is on every class, even see zealots with it. Can't be anymore meta

[upper galleon]

Hey

I use brauto on my zealot

(just because I haven't found a good shredder base)

[near wyvern]

It is cause with warp charges you tend to overkill shit so you should downgrade to Ia or IV to be honest

Where are my blazing spirit for bullets, I want to shoot fire

[harsh urchin]

its called infernus

[steel egret]

Oh right yeah with those changes yeah.

[hidden crystal]

The MG Ia has less ammo for some bonkers reason, and the IV will actually fail to kill some things with headshots past certain difficulties.

And it's not like it's a bad thing to make sure the heretics are really really dead.

[near wyvern]

MG Ia ammo is not a porblem since you will also make use of Illisi and BB anyways

MG IV can one tap 2 out of the 3 ranged mobs at 6 warp stacks and the +10% base from WU, it has such a good fire rate that two taps doesn't really matter, you line it up with the heads on a group and start clicking

The good thing with MGIV is that it also has greatly reduced weapon swap time so it's really snappy to switch between your gun and Illisi/BB hands

[restive slate]

How's the comparison with Laspistol?

[near wyvern]

More ammo (both reserve and mag), deals more damage, has actual sights and no severe damage drop off over distance

The down side is that the reload is a bit longer but that's about it

[harsh urchin]

Is there such a thing as a force bow

In wh40k

[fluid knot]

Some warp-enfused crossbow or arbalest would be fuckin dank for Psyker

[hoary badge]

Pistol has great mobility and accurate hipfire that lends itself much better cqc when sliding and blasting at enemies.

Also force farting at dogs and bursters 10m away is funni

[rich rose]

FINALLY got Unstable Power 4, only took forever

[plucky flax]

Not using deflector

[lyric burrow]

Unstable gang

[brazen warren]

love me deflector, but also enjoy spicing it up a little from time to time

[kind jay]

deflect deez

[grizzled jasper]

deflect deez what

[kind jay]

idk something

[hidden crystal]

Given that gunpsykers are usually the first to get blamed for wasting ammo, it just feels a little bonkers to deliberately take lower damage and lower ammo on the 1a, particularly when the 12 has the potential to bodyshot many enemies if your aim is a hair off.

(This one will also headshot most elites at Heresy with a few warp stacks, and I think it might just pull it off at Damnation without needing peril if the mentioned crafting changes let me swap in elite damage over its current reload speed).

[toxic tusk]

what changes should I make to this new one?

[thorn cedar]

Warp Nexus for Barrage. Unyielding to imo Unarmored or Carapace.

[short vessel]

Was just about to ask what to put on a surge staff

[plucky flax]

I'd go unyielding to flak.

[toxic tusk]

does that look better? I need to farm a IV Warp Nexus

[fresh panther]

Staves don't have many blessings so hopefully it won't take much farming to find warp nexus 4 if you're inclined

There's a mod that lets you reroll a perk until you get a level 4 perk if you'd like to upgrade that too

But besides those two possible improvements that's a fine zappy stick

[willow hazel]

Carapace only affects damage vs Crushers. +Flak or +Maniac better

[toxic tusk]

@willow hazel So what's your thoughts on this?

[strong gulch]

Shocks are already pretty good against metal armor. You can either lean into it and put flak, or makeup for it's low damage on unarmoured targets.

Why unarmoured? Because some of the groups of shooters are unarmoured and can feck up your day.

Also putting whatever you hate post there works too.

[toxic tusk]

I love the staff just trying to learn this class to 100%

[strong gulch]

Luckily, you can swap that perk around and see what you like best. If you find that your teams are not killing the armoured things and you are shocking them forever, swapping to flak or carapace paired with fully charging the surge's M2 will have quite the impact on you. Only pick carapace if Crusher packs are consistently fecking things up.

If you find that dreg shooters are consistently causing a lot of problems go with unarmoured. You can pause then and do damage while you do it.

Whatever you choose for that last perk based on vibes, facts, or vibing facts, you got a good staff.

[plucky flax]

My surge staff. I am a believer of crit chance + flak.

I have another one with +unarmoured flak but I think I prefer this to maximise damage against flak.

Since on unarmoured I stun them then slide forward to finish them off with melee anyway.

[strong gulch]

I approve of this message.

[plucky flax]

You absolutely wreck flak shooters with flak and crit chance as perks with warp nexus and flurry 4.

[toxic tusk]

@plucky flax @strong gulch This is not a game style I have ever played. My brother got me into playing this with him and then he stopped playing. So now I have 4 level 30's and I'm trying to figure this out on my own. I am absolutely addicted and cannot stop playing. He is the HUGE Warhammer fan. Ive never played this so im clueless. Ive figured out how to get 4 levels 30's and I can run 5's without being a burden to anybody so I guess im doing something correctly.

@plucky flax @strong gulch yeah don't laugh I have 1 friend and 0 frineds online. 😂

[strong gulch]

There's a lot of min maxing talk in VT2 and DT. The most important thing is to have fun playing the game. 👍

[obsidian girder]

what would be a good build for a voidstrike staff? trauma is great but im bored of it

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

just higher tier blessings

[plucky flax]

Feel free to ask but this game is all about being comfy too. A lot of things might be not as 'meta' but you can still absolutely clear damnation with. I've been enjoying duelling sword for example and most people would say deimos is just better.

But you do it for the swag.

[strong gulch]

Popular ones are transfer peril + flurry build and nexus + blazing spirit.

[plucky flax]

(Duelling sword actually op)
https://streamable.com/dzwajf

[toxic tusk]

@plucky flax I find myself switching back and forth

[spice veldt]

fatshark nerf pls

[plucky flax]

Okay I can tell you that without memeing if you put slaughterer on force sword it's actually op.

[strong gulch]

This. Very much this.

[plucky flax]

I think with red weapon and 25% maniac + 10% specialist it might be able to 2 shots headshot mutie.

100% damage + 100% finesse.

(Don't tell that to deimos heavy 2 users.)

[spice veldt]

esp with warp charges

[plucky flax]

I do my testing without warp charges cos i never have them during a map.

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[strong gulch]

big brain tbh

[spice veldt]

once we get access to 100% quell speed, we will rule this world

[toxic tusk]

so your saying loose blood thirst and replace with slaughterer?

[patent steeple]

use Psychic Communion so your teammates build the charges for you.

i use Communion on anything that is not a purge psyker build

[spice veldt]

ye; crits unfortunately aren't as great as they sound

bloodthirsty's competition is Unstable Power (+20% power)

Slaughterer is +75% power at t4

[plucky flax]

I use it even when playing purg.

[spice veldt]

aura is my beloved

[hidden crystal]

You don't need to run the best builds to not be a burden to your team; working with them rather than trying to outdo them, supporting whoever's best placed to deal with a specific threat, etc ... all more important.

[strong gulch]

Lacerations for my purg

[patent steeple]

i used to do that too, until i was told that my BB dps suffers with that so i picked Lacerations instead for purge builds because BB is best used for killing any and all enemies that purge staff cannot reach.