psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

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[main jolt]

i only got the first 2 feat options so 31 i guess?

[lyric burrow]

yeah 31

well first slot can be what you want really i think 3 is best but the other options are fine

1 in slot 2 is 100% the best though unless your using very certain builds

[main jolt]

today i learnt you can precharge the brainburst with rmb

[cosmic sigil]

I only use it by accident.

There's so much thing to bb already without a precharge.

[main jolt]

atleast down here at uprising stuff dies too quick if you charge it normally so i've started precharging when i hear something like a mutant coming

[strong gulch]

When you get a sense for when and where specials or if an armored target is coming around a corner, precharging BB can be valuable.

[left hare]

Can deimos handle carapace well

Or is it mainly fanatics

[strong gulch]

For illisi and surge, I have 2 builds.

One has WU (warp unleashed), CL (cerebral lacerations), and KB (kinetic barrage).

The other takes advantage of slaughter stack with AB (ascendant blaze). I take WU and all passive warp charge feats.

[strong gulch]

With crusher, you can push them with FS push attack and then BB them.

You can use the Deimos special, but it locks into and animation that leaves you vulnerable. It take many specials to fell 1 crusher.

Maulers can be body shot for flak damage.

[left hare]

FS push can push a crusher??

What does FS push attack actually do btw

[spice veldt]

single-target stagger

[strong gulch]

The FS push attack can. It can be finicky tho.

Block and push do not build peril, but FS push attack does.

[hidden crystal]

Yes, it seems to have a brief window after they've recovered from stagger that you can't knock them over.

[left hare]

✍️ knowledge

So it's tricky to stagger in waves

[hidden crystal]

The FS push attack is still a very powerful tool though - pushing a rager, mauler or crusher over can buy you a good few seconds.

I think the only things it won't stagger are mutants, monstrosities and Bulwarks if you hit the shield.

Actually, in general, FS pushes (particularly if you can stomach making one of your curios a +Stamina one) are really good for making openings.

I'll often spam several pushes to stagger part of a horde.

[grizzled iris]

Light>Heavy>Repeat

[plucky flax]

Special heavy

With high enough damage roll and + carapace you kill a crusher in 2 special heavies without any buff.

[novel talon]

Any Psyker frens have a reccomendation for Perks on a Purgatus staff?

[spice veldt]

when will god give me a surge psyker that uses their melee

[deft trench]

replace sustained fire with crucian?

[wraith raft]

I use nexus + flurry @novel talon

[slate sun]

got a question to the guys running with the fire stick

how do you know how much fire is enough ?

or do you just hold on the blaze until everything drops ?

is there any mod for it ?

that's the stick I use

and my setup

I do get the feeling that something ain't right with my build or my playstyle, just can't rely on it

[whole oxide]

there's mod which shows healthbars, which can give you an idea of how your damage is doing, although some people consider this borderline cheating

for the staff, i'd swap out crit-damage for flak, direct damage on purgatus is meaningless

for feats, looks good, except Wildfire for Warp Battery. if you're running Ascendent BLaze, you want warp-battery so you're pumping out 6 stacks with your Ult instead of 4, which is a big difference

[slate sun]

thanks for the advice, I seldom get to full stacks of warp charge honestly

[whole oxide]

that's probably something to work on, between psychic communion and ascendent blaze, it should be very do-able, assuming there are enemies around

the way soulblaze works, is the damage ramps up exponentially

[slate sun]

well the rest of the team usually finishes the burning targets, and the 10% chance doesn't seem to trigger that often

[whole oxide]

so 6 stacks isn't just twice as good as 3 stacks, it's more like 5 times better

so to get good value out of Ascendent Blaze, you really really want to be using it with high warp charges

[hidden crystal]

So, who gets complained about more? Gun psykers or surge psykers?

[spice veldt]

pub gun psykers seem to use their melee more often than pub surge psykers, so I approve more of gunkers than surge psykers

i don't mind if they don't deal damage, but it really irritates me when they surge trash melee enemies and prevent them from grouping up

the very least they could do is not troll me

it would be genuinely better if they just AFKed and ate their lunch

[fluid knot]

A lot of Surge Psykers are like Camo Vets an dont offer much outside being a liability

Not all of em ofc, but a lot of em

[flat iron]

Whats wrong with camo vets? if they're doing their job and taking out prio targets while not being swarmed, I don't see how that's not working as intended

[hidden crystal]

Hooray! Approval!

[fluid knot]

Because usually they lock up the second shit gets hairy and most of the aggro they'd otherwise have is pulled onto teammates, which usually means people getting chewed up by shooters

[flat iron]

Don't get me wrong, I can aboslutely see how that feat is abused by selfish players, but it can still be used properly

[fluid knot]

Ofc, as can Surge, but its the minority who do, sadly

[flat iron]

Like if your team is taking too much horde agro, literally grenade and jump in with ur power sword. If they're taking fire, you of course also took Counterfire (and Bio-optic Targeting for max lookout role synergy) because you're sane, you start dismantling them at range

Also, this is a Vet sharpshooter chat now

On that note, I'll stop lol

[glossy hazel]

🤣

[fluid knot]

Bio-optic sadly looses out i think to the free grenade regen for your team given how useful box + stuns are

[flat iron]

The thing with that is, I don't know my team mates are actually gunna use their grenades and in not doing so waste my feat slot

So I pick something we can all enjoy the benefits of without worry

As a Zealot I deff appreciate when the Vet has either grenade or targeting feat

[hidden crystal]

Like many other things, Demolition Team is one of those things where the effectiveness of it depends a lot on the team knowing you have the feat.

It is, also, a heck of a lot less useful if you find yourself on a team with three psykers.

(Which one vet I was in a game with once described as "being stuck with the suicide squad").

[slate sun]

I thought voidstrike users were the runts of the litter

[grizzled iris]

Whenever I got a vet on my team using bio optics I just think to myself "Ah this idiot thinks we are blind and can't spot specials or elites. Oh vet got downed? Sorry bro I'm out of grenades but hey at least I can see what is killing you in highlight"

[fluid knot]

Its not hard to notice tho

"Oh i just got a free grenade"

Noice

[hidden crystal]

That's the kind of thing that generally I wouldn't notice.

[grizzled iris]

More like "Oh? I still got a grenade? Noice"

[hidden crystal]

I'm not constantly staring at my grenade counter.

[fluid knot]

If there is a Vet on the team, thats one of the things i make sure to pay attention too

Particularly when playing Oggy, having the ability to box mutants more often than just when governed by pickups is SO fuckin good

Also Reapers

[grizzled iris]

From my experience the most selfish players are Ogryns with stubber and all veterans

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, this is generally the more likely version of things for me. I assume I lost count rather than noticing that they're reappearing.

[fluid knot]

Eh, Stubber users vary wildly in their effectiveness, some are awesome with it, some are beyond dogwater

Its one of the most varied setups in player skill

[grizzled iris]

No, just no

[fluid knot]

Yes... Good players with Stubber do proper well, bad players with Stubber are obvious as all fuck

[grizzled iris]

If I see an ogryn with stubber i leave the lobby unless I'm with a friend, because at least then we can laugh at the idiot

[fluid knot]

You realise Gorgon can deal with basically everything at basically any range right?

Its if they have a Krourk or Alchys is when the red flags go up, like does this guy know how to use it or no

[grizzled iris]

Type of stubber doesn't matter, I see Ogryn with stubber I already know I'm playing without ammo that game

[fluid knot]

Thats a gross over exaggeration kek

A guy with a Ripper can be an ammo drain too if he doenst know what he's doing with it

[grizzled iris]

It's my experience from 1600 hours of darktide

[cold geode]

get on my level nub

[fluid knot]

Its the Vets who say things like "Hands off my ammo" that i really despise playing with ngl

Tbh, most Vets on the whole

[foggy cape]

taking ammo from vets teaches them to melee

it's a public service and investment in future quickplay lobbies

[hidden crystal]

Also, it's useful to know before the grenades start reappearing.

If I know I'm going to be regenerating grenades, I'll try to avoid being full on grenades and will use them at times I might otherwise not just because it's a waste not to be using them. But if I don't know that in advance, then I may not even have a spare grenade space to know they're reappearing.

[cold geode]

heh, i was taking all the ammo from a vet on my zealot and he got really pissed because he couldn't figure out who was grabbing it

[fluid knot]

Nah, even that dont work, usually just means they die faster

[grizzled iris]

Maybe if the game didn't bore me to death and made me take a 2 month break I'd be around those numbers

[cold geode]

probably, i just have no life/job

[grizzled iris]

"Sitting on buss home from work"

[slate sun]

Stubbers are the best guns on the ogryn ... so it's hard to deliberately nerf yourself

[fluid knot]

Absolutely not

Rippers are best gun on Ogg, and its not even close

[grizzled iris]

Stubber is good, but the players aren't

So I just leave the lobby

[slate sun]

Gorgo is way better than the ripper gun, precisely because of the larger mag

[hidden crystal]

... no, I don't have nine and a half hours a day to play Darktide.

[fluid knot]

No.. you can delete a mixed horde faster with Ripper than anything else in the game

An it only takes one mag to boot

anything still walking can be chewed up by melee

[slate sun]

the difference is that the stubber does that at range

[fluid knot]

MKV Ripper dude

Tight spread, if you can deal with the recoil that is

[slate sun]

Gorgonum stubber man 😄

[fluid knot]

Yeah, its very good, im not saying it aint, but it dont compete with Rippers really

Hourable mention to Kickback too, great if you need to get shooters to stop being a pain the kaboose

Also it turns Ragers into mist which is hella funny

[grizzled iris]

I have the best memories or a kickback

[fluid knot]

Great gun, shame more dont use it

[slate sun]

the way I see it the rippers don't compare because if you need to get out of sticky situations you really need the big mag and accuracy.
You can actually plan ahead with the stubber, rippers are just additions to the melee kit

kickback is just in the game for shits and giggles and for people who miss the blunderbus

[fluid knot]

Dumping Ripper shells, even at range, will make everything put thier heads down, which lets you push them tho

[fluid knot]

Mate Kickback is cracked as fuck lmao

Sure, its a bit more finnicky to use, but its easily A tier

[slate sun]

never seen a good use of it

[fluid knot]

Literal soup-gun

[slate sun]

but I see plenty of ogryns missing their shots and running around reloading 🙂

[fluid knot]

Anything infront of it is Giga-fucked

Dont miss 5head

Its not like its a precision weapon

[slate sun]

which makes it hardly useful imho ... as you can achieve the same result with whichever melee weapon you use with a large swing

[fluid knot]

Absolutely not lel

Good luck one shotting a Rager with a melee weapon

[slate sun]

ok, so it's definitely good for killing ragers

anything ... else ? 😄

[fluid knot]

Basically anything that wants to get in your face yes

Fuck it, take a Club with Thunderous on it an you can kill Crushers with it after you apply the debuff

[slate sun]

Well if you can't use your ranged weapon at range you easily become a liability, that's my point

[fluid knot]

Except you dont.. because it has some of the highest suppression values out of any ranged weapon

If there are shooters being a nuisance, dump a shell at them and push them

They'll put thier heads down because they dont wanna eat 3inch wide ball bearings to the face

[slate sun]

never seen an enemy I couldn't suppress with stubber fire

[fluid knot]

The difference there is 1 ammo vs 20

Kickback does that much more effectively

[slate sun]

sure but then you can do other things with the gun 😄 the kickback is just too situational

[fluid knot]

Uhhh.. being able to kill both Elites and make absolute mincemeat of a horde is not situational

[slate sun]

That's just something you should also be able to do with melee weapons

[fluid knot]

That the thing with Ogg, you can bring a melee weapon to kill hordes, or you can bring one to deal with specials, the class has the choice, and in most cases, the ranged option is a hell of a lot faster

[slate sun]

I agree completely, which is why the stubber has no competition 😄

[fluid knot]

Which means, less pressure on your squishier teammates, your Vet dont have to get tied up in melee because nothing gets close and the Psyker isnt forced to stop using warp fuckery to deal with shit in thier face

Again, you're not wiping a horde with a stubber faster than Ripper, or potentially even Kickback

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Its fine if you like it, but dont be under any illusion thats the most effective ranged option, because it aint

[foggy cape]

using ranged weapons at all is a skill issue

you're killstealing melee users

[fluid knot]

Quiet Zealot

[slate sun]

the only thing that it isn't is economical, and in that aspect there are better choices

[foggy cape]

or forcing them to sacrifice position in order to get hits in

[slate sun]

well that is true 😄

[fluid knot]

Not really, deal with anything that slips through the cracks lmao

Being out of position isnt the fault of other players unless they get themselves into the shit an you need to save em

[hidden crystal]

I brought an Illisi. If I'm not dealing with it myself, I'm not doing my job.

[foggy cape]

sprint into the open to pew pew zombies -> get flanked by scab shooters -> die while dude with heavy sword watches from behind cover

[fluid knot]

Thats Veterans

Pretty much in a nutshell too

[foggy cape]

I have noticed that helping allies up on psyker is way too risky

vet or zealot can cover with nade, psyker just let them die and clutch

[hidden crystal]

... if there's shooters or elites, that may be true, but psykers can stack an insane amount of block to just have a horde bounce off them.

[spice veldt]

or trauma staff

[last cradle]

Is losing 5/6 of toughness bar to a regular ranged mob normal for psyker

[spice veldt]

on higher difficulties yeah

if you're caught with your pants down and they're close enough they will dumpster the shit out of your toughness (and health if they're scab shooters, the green-eyed non-elite ranged enemies)

you'll have to attempt to dodge and slide, hopiing that they don't catch you in the interim of your dodges/slides

(you get ranged i-frames on dodges, slides, and sprinting perpendicularly)

[last cradle]

yeah, it's the only mob i die to on damnation if the other people on team don't deal with them. always just out of force staff range

they always rock up in squads of 5 in the middle of horde/event rush

[spice veldt]

I like the trauma for it's generalist nature and feeling fairly safe against shooters
I assume you're running the purg

oooh yeah they can really catch you off guard in those events

[last cradle]

purg and the electric one

[spice veldt]

in the midevent of something like Power Matrix, there's always better positioning

though you can't say the same about the finales of relay station/silo cluster/etc.

for me, I deal with them by melee and abusing the infinite dodges of force swords

holding your melee out increases the range at which ranged enemies will swap to their melee

and the whole toughness regen from melee kills

here's a video of me ramboing into a bunch of stalkers (high toughness dmg, low hp damage ranged enemies) https://streamable.com/kwcqps

[last cradle]

which lvl 5 feat is preferred? I usually just run the toughness/10quelled peril

[spice veldt]

quietitude is the generalist option

I don't like essence harvest since I rarely BB

I run Trauma + Illisi, so I run either Quietitude or Warp Absorption

[last cradle]

I am going the full soulburn route atm

i miss having warp resistance

wtf, they didn't hit you at all, bunch of stormtroopers

[spice veldt]

the magic of ranged i-frames

not only do their shots miss because i-frames, dodging breaks the "tracking" of Stalkers, so they'll shoot at where I originally was at before I dodged

scab shooters won't have their tracking broken, so they'll hit you if they're still in their volley after your dodge ends

[last cradle]

i think I'll just die in the middle of the bunch if i try that

[spice veldt]

prolly

in that moment, I was relying on hopes and prayers that I wouldn't die

you can see my toughness dip to around 1% at a certain point

[last cradle]

i see you only have 2 wound, what are the stats you have for your three ring slots

[spice veldt]

I stack full toughness

my rationale is that ranged attacks are really hard to dodge, so I'll just stack toughness

that comes at the detriment of attacks that ignore your toughness like fire, sniper shots, bursters, etc., but I have enough hours in the game to not get ganked by those (as much)

I'd prob grab some health if you're not as comfy

[last cradle]

Mine are all over the place, I have +wound, +20%hp, +3stam

[spice veldt]

the extra toughness also benefits my regen from melee kills, so your benefit might be less if you're not making use of the relative toughness regen sources (lvl5 feats and melee kills)

stam is nice if you're not running kinetic deflection

I don't like wounds but I'm also extremely out of touch with newer players

curios are fairly subjective

[last cradle]

i hit 30 yesterday, im spending all my plasteel/dia on rolling blessings and weapon gear score

[whole oxide]

worth stockpiling resources a bit, crafting may get a bit less obnoxious next month

[last cradle]

crafting overhaul? can you link me where you saw that please

[fluid knot]

Its in the latest comms link

Or rather, they hint at it, but dont expect miracles because it wont be one of those

[plucky flax]

Need 2 EU bros for some hi/hishock gaming. We have maps saved up.

[tranquil plume]

which force sword is this ?

also is voidstrike still viable ? it seem to have lost the aoe explosion and now just feels like a cannon shot

[slate sun]

a small buff for the voidstrike stick would be welcome ...

[fluid knot]

Placebo, they just took off the obnoxious sound effect it used to make, AoE hasnt changed

[grizzled bramble]

Yo, still new. When I watch gameplay of folk who've played more, their psykers use way less peril. Is that just a level thing?

[fluid knot]

"Warp Resistance" on Force Swords and Staves effects how much peril is generated and there is a feat that also reduces peril buildup with warp charges. the prior scales up as you level and get better equipment, so the higher the base modifers, the higher (as a general rule) Warp Resistance can roll

[grizzled bramble]

So am I right in my prior assumption that Force Swords and staves are pretty much what you always want to run? I'm only like...level 8 on my psyker I think

I played V2 a lot (more casually), but my highest in Darktide is a level 15 Zealot so I'm still learning

[whole oxide]

any weapon is perfectly viable, so don't feel like you have to

but yes, they're generally what's optimal

[plucky flax]

[fluid knot]

Damn..

Lucking out on the Casino there

[plucky flax]

Yeah really nice modifiers. I'll go flak maniac and then slap on t4 nexus.

[fluid knot]

Aye think that'd probably be the move for sure

[barren rock]

helloo anyone think this is worth picking up?

any breakpoints worth noting with a revolver

[thorn cedar]

nah nothing notable about that revolver

perks and blessings are bad, it's not a base worth working with

[harsh urchin]

stats are good but everything else is trash

[thorn cedar]

+Flak and +Maniac is what you want. As long as the base damage is above 400 then it's a 'good revolver' since that'll let you body yellow shooters in one shot.

And honestly there's only three worthwhile blessings. Crucian, Speedloader, and Point Blank.

[lyric burrow]

Revo can get terrifying barrage

I hate that

[analog solstice]

Kind of tempted to get the reload perk with all the reloading you do with it

[thorn cedar]

I recommend it. Anything to get that first bullet in faster.

[harsh urchin]

not sure

you already get a ton of the stat

from the statline

[thorn cedar]

It's always good tho. If the stat is bad, then even more so.

Something you do wanna learn is that the actual reload anim is misleading. This dude happens to have a perfect example on video.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/159arq8/is_it_just_me_or_do_you_think_the_revolver_would/

[harsh urchin]

you get what like 35% from the perk?

going from 1.35->1.45 with a max roll

[thorn cedar]

At the start he's reloading at empty, he only visually gets one bullet in, but the bottom right shows he loaded in two.

[harsh urchin]

not sure that beats flak or maniac

[thorn cedar]

The ammo is added back in way before the animation actually puts bullets in the cylinder. That's true for every part of the reload.

And only Zealot actually cares terribly for the extra Maniac damage. It's to one-tap Trappers and Flamers on headshot/crit headshot. Psyker with their Warp Charges and Warp Unleashed aren't as picky.

Veteran won't care because you already have two other reload feats in your kit for 50%.

It matters outside of Volley Fire but, that's it.

[harsh urchin]

if you're playing revolver vet you've already lost

[barren rock]

tyy all

[teal needle]

You might fail the mission and your team but at least you'll be stylish as hell doing it

[wet jacinth]

Use what you wanna use.

[flat shadow]

I love Deadshot on revolver

on vet

let the rest of your team deal with little people

Just shoot that one guy in the head until he explodes

It's fun

People are gonna get mad at you for using anything but shredder auto pistol and power sword

Just have fun

[whole oxide]

BB'ing stuff 10 times on elite-resistance brings back the feels of december weak-psyker

[flat shadow]

They doubled or tripled enemy base health or something

Elites or specialists or whatever

[whole oxide]

its everything

[flat shadow]

Takes me like 5 swings with an ogryn shovel to kill a gunner and they only get staggered on the 3rd swing

[whole oxide]

and if they did the same thing to HP as they did to damage, it's not consistent, some stuff is buffed +25%, other stuff is buffed +100%

[zenith sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/884510439961149441/1134577929456726037/image.png?width=788&height=557

Not too bad I think

Thanks Melk!

[harsh urchin]

pretty perfect! elites->crit/flak and run'gun->nexus and it's pretty much bis

[zenith sun]

Yeah, I exchanged elite for flak and will have to see if I ever get nexus, so far run'gun ain't too bad in my taste^^

Well, it's nice that Melk has some pretty tasty stuff from time to time!

[crude cape]

oh, dope

nice find

[crude cape]

nexus + crit chance perk is noticeable

makes the dmg and burn stacking way higher on elites

won't be super noticeable on groups of poxies tho, they just burn up like nothing regardless

[zenith sun]

Ah, it's different than in VT2 then? That dots can crit?

[crude cape]

i believe they can, which means more stacks

[zenith sun]

Nice, something to look forward to then!

[crude cape]

i think when they crit they apply double stacks

i MIGHT be misremembering how this works

@spice veldt i usually ask to fact check me

i have a good amount of time on my psyker, its my main mostly, but he knows his stuff better 😛

[zenith sun]

I'll check back later then, gear decisions are usually not something I do on the fly anyway ^^

For now, it's motivated me to try staves again, been running gun psyker for a sort of jack-of-all that can deal with most if not all situations

[crude cape]

a well rolled purgatus

and trauma

are very fun

im not as much of a fan of the other 2, even tho they are good

purg and trauma are my fave personally

[spice veldt]

it's the Illisi MKV force sword

[spice veldt]

the dots themselves won't crit, but when a direct hit crits, it will apply two soulblaze stacks instead of just one

[tranquil plume]

what does this soulblaze mechanic do ?

[spice veldt]

basically just blue fire

but some of our feats produce and synergize with it

soulblaze itself isn't mechanically different from Burn besides the damage and how fast it ticks

[tranquil plume]

so unless the stacks is high it might as well doesnt exist

is there any worth to build for the mechanic ? cuz i run the quicken for the 6 warp charge for more power

[spice veldt]

yup; here's the damage table of soulblaze per stack

from https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[spice veldt]

do you mean getting warp charges for Quicken/other lvl30 feats?

yeah warp charges are nice to have for their damage bonus and the fact that they affect Quicken/Ascendant Blaze

[tranquil plume]

the lvl 30 feat that gives max cap 6 warp charges and each time u get a charge u get 2 instead

[spice veldt]

it's not too worth it besides making Quicken less painful

[tranquil plume]

also is there a reason to run other staff than trauma ?

[spice veldt]

it doesn't synergize with Essence Harvest (lvl5 feat) for example, since Essence Harvest doesn't stack

[tranquil plume]

say if i wanna try a soulblaze stack build , where do i start

[spice veldt]

Trauma is a strong generalist option, so if you like it, then feel free to stick with it

[tranquil plume]

tho i prefer things to die faster

[spice veldt]

people like Blazing Spirit (fire on crit) and Warp Nexus (+crit chance) on their Trauma

[tranquil plume]

would have liked to use voidstrike if it actually explode

[spice veldt]

purgatus is a similarly strong staff though a bit more specialized and more limited by its range

[willow escarp]

trauma kills pretty fast

[spice veldt]

surge is nice but you should be comfortable with melee if you're running it

[tranquil plume]

i avoid that staff , tried once and got my shit pushed in when i play higher diff cuz how painful range is

not to mention is great with horde

[spice veldt]

yeah if you're not as comfortable with the movement system, then the range and the casting process will screw you up

[tranquil plume]

u cant deal with horde in the open cuz ur gonna get shredded by range so u gotta find a corner and just burn the horde from the site

entirely hopeless against range if u cant hit them

not gonna BB every one of them

[spice veldt]

purg/flamer are prob the best weapons against a horde in an open space because you can just wave your mouse around and they'll die

[willow escarp]

AB helps

[spice veldt]

no chokepoint is needed for those weapons

[tranquil plume]

problem is that anything that is not within range or assault squad will just pulp u

hell even dregs or scab flamethrowers would do a stare contest with u and win

[spice veldt]

yeah I don't use it for that reason either; it's less safe than the trauma in ranged engagements having a slightly lower range and a casting process that limits your mobility

[willow escarp]

shutting down flamers with trauma is pretty nice

[tranquil plume]

yeah cutting them in half

say goodbye to ur lowerhalf

full charge u can even knock ogryns down , whats not to like

surge is also another joke , u can make anything u fry dance but man ur dmg is no better than a tickle

[willow escarp]

It is less safe and brain dead to use against big swarms without a choke point Id agree, you can hold back so much from every angle

[tranquil plume]

tbh swarms shouldnt be that big of a concern from the start

not deleting elites or special asap is a big mistake

[spice veldt]

purg will also kill ragers/maulers in the horde

[willow escarp]

yeah while CCing them and without having to spend attention on them

[spice veldt]

it's really only shielded bulwarks and crushers (Carapace) that it can't deal with

[tranquil plume]

... i've seen them charge right through and bonk a psyker

[spice veldt]

prob have to throw in an LMB or dodge backwards

LMB has better stagger than the RMB

[willow escarp]

yeah the stagger on primary is pretty useful

I have been using trauma exclusively lately and like it a lot, purge is still a bit more ezmode imo tho

[spice veldt]

trauma is my comfort pick, though I also have nearly all of my hours of psyker on the staff

[fallow dawn]

4 - 79s

[regal jasper]

Damn

[strong gulch]

das a nice staff

Purg primary is pretty useful for stagger. I don't have to think very hard when using purg. If I'm tired or got some mild brain fog, purg is my pick.

[willow escarp]

yeah i find it’s much less demanding to use

[strong gulch]

For sure.

[willow escarp]

part of why I’ve been preferring Trauma lol, a bit more dynamic than quick stagger shot, charge and mag dump, back dodge, repeat

[strong gulch]

Agree. If I got a case of the zoomies, fire trauma is it. So close to exploding all of the time.

If only blast radius and quell speed were switched.

[willow escarp]

what I'm using rn
just waiting to find one with warp flurry to swap out run N gun

[strong gulch]

The base rolls! RIP blessings.

[willow escarp]

yeah i figure i can swap RNG with warp flurry

haven't really minded surge, i do actually use the M1 a lot

got this illisi the same night, had been only using deimos
not really sure what to shoot for? if shred is good or worth rolling, or my other perk. figured flak would be best maybe?

[spice veldt]

I don't like shred because special spam is the best for the illisi and shred drops the moment you activate your special

and it being crit and not affecting multi-hit swings very well

I personally would prioritize +maniac unless you're running a gun

[willow escarp]

yeah that's what i figured. it does work for light spam, but only realized recently that the illisi heavy is the big cleave

[strong gulch]

Shred is good for the meme. Shred + blazing spirit.

No, it's not efficient. It can be fun to see fire spread around tho.

[spice veldt]

the hordeclear times on lightspam and heavy spam are fairly similar

the heavy combo turns out to be marginally better, but the light combo is only off by a few percents

[willow escarp]

Nice. Yeah with the trauma I've been using the sword mostly for when I can't get space in time (and errant low density groups), so the light spam does usually have an advantage of ease of execution

[strong gulch]

I know quell speed is a dump stat, but dang. Brunt trying to be funny.

[willow escarp]

the 78% quell speed does feel pretty nice on that trauma im using

haven’t actually ever done a side by side test though with a staff with a worse rating though so no clue what the actual impact is. just def feels like a big jump swapping from sword to staff

[spice veldt]

at 80% quell speed, you quell 12.31% peril per tick from 100% peril.
at 60% quell speed, you quell 9.58% peril per tick from 100% peril.
That's a difference of 2.73% peril.

A tick occurs every 0.25 seconds; when quelling from 100% peril to 0%...

• It takes 2.25 seconds or 9 ticks for an 80% quell speed staff.
• It takes 2.75 seconds or 11 ticks for a 60% quell speed staff.
  So that's a difference of 0.5 seconds

for trauma in particular, I treat damage as my dump stat

i had a whole argument about damage vs quell speed #psyker-class message, but the tldr is that I don't think that damage affects that many breakpoints unless you specifically know what you were doing, and you'd preferably want a high enough quell speed to only need to quell two ticks to get a fully-charged trauma blast off from 100% peril

mixing your stats into damage and quell speed might be the best option, but I personally like 60 damage and 80 quell speed

[lunar hollow]

counterpoint

Nerd

[spice veldt]

i'm going to sniff you

[lunar hollow]

woah

[strong gulch]

😂

[lyric burrow]

😳

[fallow dawn]

new stuff doing numbers

[strong gulch]

Ummmm 🙃

[spice veldt]

wow is that for me

[strong gulch]

I'd send it to you if I could.

heck

[patent steeple]

btw, which is better to have on an illisi, bloodthirsty 4 or slaughterer 3?

[bleak tulip]

slaughterer

[teal needle]

Some day I should actually roll a trauma staff. Haven't played it since launch when it was borderline unplayable

[slate sun]

what a day

[lyric burrow]

slaughterer for sure bloothirsty isnt great unfort

[gloomy gulch]

so on the deimos I knowe want slaughterer and most people get unstable power as the second blessing, but is 5% more power at max peril really that worth it?

[thorn cedar]

It stacks four times. So it's actually 20%.

[gloomy gulch]

ohh

[thorn cedar]

ye

[gloomy gulch]

I read that wrong

dumb current description

[strong gulch]

A lot of the tooltips are still misleading or wrong.

[ornate hamlet]

this reminded me of this roll i got once

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-canny-uncanny-cat-gif-13171181137532836446

any time im on, hi5 shock nowhere in sight

[lethal raptor]

You have to shave your head to wear a rebreather?

[sterile vale]

They changed the hair system a while back, and I guess either the cosmetic or the hairstyle isn't configured in a way that plays well with the system

[lethal raptor]

Yeah, made a bug report

[sterile vale]

There's a similar issue with the veteran rag and one of the balding hairstyles, it just clips through (unless it's been fixed)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033169991144591431/1102956604816642170/Capture.PNG

[regal jasper]

It makes me so mad because i really liked it

[feral inlet]

emperor sure loves handing out tier4 blessings

[hidden crystal]

Although not Burn stat, apparently.

[rugged halo]

why did the dump stat happen to be damage DX

[bleak tulip]

still pretty solid tbh

damage probably matters the least of all the staves on purg

[plucky flax]

Damage is the dump stat.

[rugged halo]

quell speed should be the dump stat

or warp resistance

[plucky flax]

The damage on purg doesn't affect the burn damage.

[rugged halo]

on a purgatus staff you want damage, burn, and cloud radius

[bleak tulip]

ngl I would arguably rather have WR on purg lol

[rugged halo]

fair enough, but you'd still want damage

[plucky flax]

It only affect the direct damage. Which scales between 14~17 for primary and 9-11 for secondary.

[bleak tulip]

damage stat only affects like 30% of your overall damage with it, again its not awful you can definitely use it

and the clamp for damage is really tight

[plucky flax]

I used to use this.

[bleak tulip]

why show primary

[bleak tulip]

and here's 77

it matters a lot less than you might think

[rugged halo]

my other staff is overall better

[plucky flax]

24% damage

[rugged halo]

75% damage

looks like stagger is always the same

[bleak tulip]

youre missing out on like 2 damage every .75

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rugged halo]

and it seems the difference in over all attack is negligible

the blessings and perks probably make the staff then

[spice veldt]

i'm also pretty sure it affects the "fire rate" of the direct damage as well

[plucky flax]

It's the burn and cloud radius making up the damage. So don't worry about damage stat on purg.

[spice veldt]

but that is also negligible

[rugged halo]

if possible i would like a more even spread across all the stats

i do have this staff as well

[bleak tulip]

just roll on blessings for all of them and see what sticks I guess

[plucky flax]

My current purga

[bleak tulip]

run n gun isnt a great start

[plucky flax]

Well I have t4 nexus and t4 flak now of course.

But good modifiers spread.

[rugged halo]

nah, but +20 damage (flak armoured enemies is a great start)

my current staff melts hordes tho

its amazing

but i wanna get a staff that does more damage to elites in general asnd i think flak armoured enemies is a great perk for that

[short vessel]

I want to get the serial killer penance. Can I really just headpop 20 enemies in a row?

[rugged halo]

suppossedly yes

[cyan notch]

i tested direct damage awhile ago and yea the damage roll doesnt really matter too much

but 35-40% of total damage isnt nothing

[broken carbon]

that’s a lotta words and numbers

[bleak tulip]

yeah its more that the difference between 40 and 80 seems to be like 2.5% damage lol

its not that the direct damage is irrelevant, its that the amount it gets impacted by the damage stat is negligible

[cyan notch]

yup

the range from min to max is very small

but its not that BURN DOES 99% OF DAMAGE CUZ STAT SHEET SAYS DAMAGE DOES 12

the right conclusion from the wrong reasoning

[steel flame]

Should I take Executioner from the left sword and replace Riposte on the right sword?

[broken carbon]

executor, both are pretty weak blessings though,

or

sorry

misread

yes do that

[bleak tulip]

get slaughterer instead

[steel flame]

I dont have slaughter yet, this is pretty much a holdover till I get enough plasteel to get it

ty tho

[broken carbon]

also should probably reroll melee crit chance for flak damage or maniac

[steel flame]

Will do, just gotta get more plasteel lol

I ran out just trying to get these two guys up to Transcendant

[rugged halo]

any suggestions for this sword

[cyan notch]

exorcist into slaughterer

[rugged halo]

gonna have to work on some other illisi swords for that then

i think the roles for this have been shitty

[steel flame]

Bad damage roll, doesnt matter too much but kinda meh

[hidden crystal]

And, fairly obviously, your choice of Flak or Maniac to replace Poxwalker damage.

[steel flame]

I prefer to have a lower warp resistance so it combos well with Warp Nexus

[rugged halo]

oooh i want that lard

[steel flame]

Its not perfect but its damn near perfect for me lol

[hidden crystal]

(I prefer Flak, but if Maniac gets you important breakpoints against ragers on your preferred difficulty, then you might find that more useful).

[steel flame]

Flaks more useful imo, especially since theres a ton of flak that get mixed in during hordes

Like he said tho, all up to you

[plucky flax]

If you get warp nexus/flurry as the 2nd t4 blessing it's not bad. Crit chance + flak for perk and slap the other mission warp blessing on.

Still one more hurdle of rng though.

[loud peak]

Anyone rolled Exorcist on Blaze Swords?

[crude inlet]

Hello siblings! Anyone want to help with Maleus Monstronum penance?

[quartz sky]

any good psyker video? Like, general class / gameplay tips for noobs

like, detailed mechanics explaination, when to use abilities, etc

maybe even general presentation of all weapons and which are good for what, etc

[bleak tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcINF72qAdY

he has more videos on the other stuff

[quartz sky]

thx

[bleak tulip]

havent watched those but there you go

[bleak tulip]

watched am all, would recommend

[steel flame]

Welcome to the wonderful world of psykers

[hidden crystal]

Now use guns anyway to inspire foaming rage in other players.

[steel flame]

Exactly

[last cradle]

When I spectate other psykers I see, when they're charging brain burst their hands have blue flames

When I'm charging, I just have some air distortion

Started this as a Grey from shop

[steel flame]

Nice staff

[bleak tulip]

want

[steel flame]

though id swap crit damage to crit chance

or somthing else

crit damage in darktide is terrible

[bleak tulip]

crit hit or flak

[last cradle]

Just swapped it now, two rolls into crit chance

This will tide me over until I can get more mats to gamble later

[gloomy gulch]

that mobility tho lol

[feral inlet]

it has arrived

comparing it to my current one, its an upgrade i guess

except for the +carapace, that is going to be kind of a waste

[fluid knot]

Honestly, its a downgrade

The slightly lower mobility is worth it with better perks

Take T4 Slaughterer off it an put on old one

[feral inlet]

maniac is the only thing i need really

trauma takes care of flak

[strong gulch]

Yeah, Pygex's videos are short and to the point. They are good to rewatch for that 1 one you forgot vs sifting through a 40 minute video.

That being said, if you want REALLY in-depth videos, Ryken XIV has some for psyker weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/@rykenxiv

[whole oxide]

i just wanna play a game with purgatus, to change it up from trauma

3 missions in a row, 3 other flamer/purg

[young ridge]

that just makes it better

[steel flame]

I mightve played with you lol

Having multiple purge psykers is fun ngl

[young ridge]

at 3 purge you can melt anything

best runs i have ever had have been 4 psyker groups

[steel flame]

Aye, same here

Most dumb run I ever had was 4 shield ogryns with grenade gauntlets, that was hectace and fun as hell lol

[young ridge]

its the low iq version

[whole oxide]

yeah, buts its boring asf, like running multiple shredders

[young ridge]

how is that boring

its more vfx

more light on screen = happy chemicals

[whole oxide]

"oh hey, I get to do something now...... oh no everythings already dead"

[young ridge]

then you to find new stuff to nuke

[steel flame]

Aye

Especially on Hi-Int, you never run outta shit to kill

[willow escarp]

If you rebless a weapon and put like a tier 2 blessing on it, can you later rebless it again and replace that t2 with a t4?

[young ridge]

yeah complaining about high kill speed is new for me

[young ridge]

yeah

[willow escarp]

Thought so ty

[young ridge]

the one slot you change is always the open slot from then on

[whole oxide]

even on hi-int, if I see multiple shredders, i just leave

[steel flame]

You can replace that one slot with any blessing (as long as it isnt a copy), as long as you can pay for it

[teal needle]

What do folks run on Trauma staves?

Also is charge rate or quell speed important on them?

Or neither

[near wyvern]

Flurry trauma charge rate is fine as long as it's not super low, nexus spirit trauma needs max charge rate, quell speed is not that important in any case.

[teal needle]

Hm, is 65% super low? Debating whether to attempt to hadron this thing up Scratch that, more important Q is what blessing do I pair with flurry

[willow escarp]

I think it’s usually rending shockwave or focused channeling

[bleak tulip]

or blazing spirit

wouldnt recommend focused channelling

you can just focus the circle on yourself and quell cancel to perma stagger enemies if youre really in the shit, ideally you dont let it get to that

[willow escarp]

How do you quell cancel? Anim canceling tech I assume

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

[teal needle]

Alright well I can put lvl 4 rending on it pretty easily, so I guess I got a stick

[bleak tulip]

he explains it here

[willow escarp]

Aight gotcha, basically a reload cancel

on that note - does channeling get interrupted whenever you’re hit, or just with no toughness?

[bleak tulip]

I wanna say its every time, depending on the staff you still let the effect go with the charge you had (void) or you just lose it (purg)

get used to dodging on the audio queue

on melee hits that it

[teal needle]

Hmmm I got +20% flak and +10% ranged (poxwalkers). Guessing I'm getting red of the latter. Do I want vs carapace as usual?

[bleak tulip]

nah carapace isnt very good tbh

for blazing you prob want crit chance

not sure what you'd get on brittle trauma, maybe maniac hits some breakpoints on ragers for example but I wouldnt know

[teal needle]

Ah well, I'm going brittle 'cuz that's what I have at 4, I got +crit damage first reroll and might hold on to it until I look at a proper guide. Thanks for the guidance.

[bleak tulip]

crit damage isnt great in the game in general, I wouldnt keep it but I getcha

[upper galleon]

crit damage is terrible

only increases the bonus damage the crit does, not the entire hit

[bleak tulip]

pretty much

get literally anything else if you havent spent all your mats

[feral inlet]

i run cara+maniac on brittle trauma

[bleak tulip]

carapace literally only affects crushers

if thats what you want go nuts

[upper galleon]

flak is better

[bleak tulip]

yes

[feral inlet]

yeah i want carapace only for crushers

ive had countless runs wipe because of a crusher squad

[teal needle]

I have spent all my mats, trying out trauma in a low intensity 5 so I'll have more soon tho

[plucky flax]

@near wyvern which one would you use?

With 79% quell speed I can do 2 ticks and full blast again.

61% have to do 3 ticks.

[near wyvern]

Definitely right one, you need the charge rate and radius

You don't need to always max charge

[plucky flax]

But the big deeps.

[teal needle]

Okay, it's amazing what halving the peril cost of using a weapon can do to it haha, that's way better than playing it on launch

This might actually be the first weapon I've played where I don't think I really need flayer

Might replace my Illisi with a Deimos when using this staff too

[young ridge]

I would recommend this

[bleak tulip]

fun fact mutants can still just throw you off the map

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/erx0y5

[bleak tulip]

c:

[broken carbon]

THE FUCKING BLOOD SPLATTER

LMFAOOO

[spice veldt]

you didn't have to post this specific example

[lunar hollow]

i did

it's my best clip ❤️

[spice veldt]

nah

[upper galleon]

it was probably aiming for the ledge but LMAO

[fringe tangle]

Guys, I just thought of a cool replacement for the garbage Mind in Motion feat.

Warp Bullets: All non-staff ranged weapon attacks deal 25% more damage, but every 5% of a magazine consumed adds +2% to your peril meter.

So basically this would replace a garbage feat with one that makes Gun Psyker builds more serious and less memey. Would also combo well with Warp Unleashed since you get more damage from generating warp. However you must be careful not to blow yourself up from spamming your gun too much.

[willow escarp]

I did just try gunker for the first time and whew the dps is wicked

[stuck bridge]

whats a fun psyker staff rn

[willow escarp]

trauma

[bleak tulip]

trauma or purg are the best

fun are all of them but surge

[strong gulch]

Fun is highly personal. All staves have fans.

Quell canceling the M2 on voidstike is so silly but really fun for me.

It's often a DPS loss if used all of the time, but it's fun.

Trama doing booms is also pretty fun.

[teal needle]

In the proud tradition of gutter runners from VT dogs can throw you off the edge too

[steel flame]

that would be a mega yikes

thats actually way too good cause suddenly warp unleased is now factoring into the gun build too and your doing more than veteren

god. imagine a shredder build that had just "oh here, have 50% more damage sweety, here dont forget now, have another 25% from that lacerations flayer proc you just had for good measure"

and we could use quitude with it

and become tanky with gun

not to mention the laspistol would just start detonating everything with its crits even more than it already does

[fringe tangle]

That's a shredder problem tbh. Shredder is busted on veteran as well.

I think it would be nice to have a proper gun psyker feat to enable that sort of gameplay.

currently gun psyker is a funny meme build and not much more

would be great if there was more then staffs to use on mainline psyker builds

[steel flame]

im pretty sure we will get a new class before we get new staves

they cant just barf those out like they can with guns

god forbid they have to be creative with a weapon to even have a place

[fringe tangle]

Surely they can copy and paste some staffs from VT2, recolour the fire on the coruscation staff, bam, new staff.

[strong gulch]

Sisters of the thorns lift please.

[fringe tangle]

that as well

but yeah if they want to add staffs quickly, copying and pasted some from VT2 would require minimal effort

[steel flame]

then they might invalidate their own BS blessing XP

[strong gulch]

Wow. Lots T2 blessings and purples in the Melk store.

[restive slate]

I concur, I want DT version to be a time freeze version. With Blessings that can add DOT, Brittleness, etc

[steel flame]

ilove playing gunpsyker with vets that take all the ammo as soon as they are missing a third, and then also kill all your bb targets so you never get any toughness regen either

THANKS FOR THAT HARKEN

[restive slate]

I love it more when I outgun Vets as Psyker

One of the reasons I run the feat that has chance to give warp charge on kill

Keep forgetting feat names

[steel flame]

now hear me out.....fire sword that isnt killing on a crit?

[spice veldt]

psyhcuv cinamonosd

arson

[steel flame]

i might just buy this

this could be THE ONE

[restive slate]

The meme firesword?

[steel flame]

the meme fire sword

meh shred is still better

i did it for the memes

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-fire-sword-fire-sword-flaming-sword-fire-hot-gif-14530053

[steel flame]

i miss the unnerfed bloodthirsty

[restive slate]

Meme fire sword is just so lacking compared to Slaughterer and Uncanny strike, feels sad

[strong gulch]

It really does.

[restive slate]

Did anybody complain about that blessing before?

[steel flame]

no

[strong gulch]

But also blue flames for vibes.

[steel flame]

because the attack pattern on the obsurus sucked ass for bloodthristy

[strong gulch]

or I guess white flames

[steel flame]

but 5 seconds of auto crits on the illi

[restive slate]

Blazing Spirit should last for next to attacks

[steel flame]

at least

i mean shredd works good with fire

[restive slate]

Only one that can make use of that blessing is Trauma, and even that one needs to spam

[steel flame]

but i want it to work great with fire not just good

[spice veldt]

i liked bloodthirsty on the obscurus to chain kills on flak enemies since I wasn't able to get a good roll with both +maniac and +flak at the time

and just the general damage boost of having crits for 5 seconds to ramp up slaughterer stacks

[steel flame]

oh yeah it was nice for that

it just sucked for fire

[spice veldt]

oh yeah

[steel flame]

the actual damage boost from bloothirsty was great

[spice veldt]

the illisi even has fire-like effects on the special but they decided to just make it psword's brother

[strong gulch]

New combat blade but for psyker. Instead of bleed blessing, make it soulblaze.

[steel flame]

gimmi gimmi

i even want the same move set

[restive slate]

Psyker should do force punch with combat blade

[steel flame]

GIVE ME MAH FIRE KNIFE

[strong gulch]

FIRE KNIFE

Subnautica has fire knife. We can cook snacks for Ogryn frens as we fight.

[steel flame]

i agree

would boost team morale

[restive slate]

Imagine new Ogryn class has a Ratling in his pouch that gives nutritious meals as ult

[strong gulch]

👀

[restive slate]

Can roleplay Ratatouille

[fringe tangle]

and the ratling passively snipes special enemies when it sees them

[broken carbon]

time freeze like in quantum break, where any shots into the time bubble are let out at once so it just insta gibs the poor fucker

(probably too difficult due to the type of game but i can dream)

[restive slate]

Probably just slows them down for a brief moment, so if you kill them they die in slow mo

Bloodspray and viscera at 0.5times speed

[last cradle]

What's the gun build for kinetic flayer?

[spice veldt]

i probably wouldn't build around kinetic flayer, but the gun that's the best for it is also the best gun for psykers anyways

it's the shredder autopistol; blessings are Pinning Fire(+power) + Blaze Away(+power)/Inspiring Barrage(+toughness)

on Psyker, I prefer inspiring barrage over Blaze Away for the toughness gen

[restive slate]

Interesting, how effective is Inspiring Barrage?

[spice veldt]

I like it https://streamable.com/paewi3

if you have an autopistol with >50 bullets per mag, you'll proc a stack of Inspiring Barrage every 6 bullets

I think my autopistol has 55 bullets, so that means that I'll proc inspiring barrage 9 times

[restive slate]

Very nice, my new goal

[spice veldt]

actually I forgot how much a stack of inspiring barrage gives to toughness

fuck

they didn't update the blessing tooltip so i have no idea

[restive slate]

How much is it?

[spice veldt]

i want to say 20% at max stack per proc?

[patent steeple]

btw, which is better for a trauma with Rending Shockwave 3 and 72% base charge rate: Warp Flurry 3 or Warp Nexus 3?

[lunar hollow]

very coherent background conversation

[restive slate]

I'd go Flurry

[spice veldt]

warp nexus by itself isn't great since crits are only a +15% damage bonus on the trauma

you won't get the full potential out of warp flurry without a more dedicated build with inner tranq or whatever, but I nevertheless prefer it

damn i have to actually hop into the meatgrinder and test insp barrage

[restive slate]

I go Nexus if it Blazing Spirits

[spice veldt]

hmm it's 4% toughness per stack

so on the first stack, you'll get 4% toughness; 8% toughness on the 2nd stack/proc, 12% toughness on the 3rd stack/proc, etc.

up to 20% at 5 stacks

[lyric burrow]

whys your illisi look like a deimos

[patent steeple]

also, idk what perks are good on an illisi. any advice?

[lyric burrow]

isnt the force sword skin look like illisi

maniac/flak

[spice veldt]

there's a deimos skin in the paid shop that i slapped onto my illisi

[lyric burrow]

ah ok

[spice veldt]

i don't really like the default illisi model on the illisi

since it's a spindly blade that seems more "thrusty" than "swoosh"

[restive slate]

Feels like those chinese Jin swords

[patent steeple]

ah, so i can start rerolling the carapace perk on my illisi without problems because i already rolled flak on it.

[lyric burrow]

yeah cara probably wont help you

its not awful, but your probably juggling cara with trauma or BBing it

since its really just crushers

[last cradle]

What's the feats for the shrdder gun psyker

[regal jasper]

It took me until my second character to figure out how to pull the scanner out to do the skull objectives

[tall temple]

i think the only mandatory one is +damage based on peril. I like kinetic flayer. I like the one that gives extra damage on bb. I also like kinetic barrage for crushers and stuff

you can take communion instead of extra bb damage or faster ult cooldown on elite kill, but I feel more useful vs bosses with the extra damage on bb

soublaze is also nice if you're not running a horde clear weapon, as well as warp battery if you want more +% damage instead of the occasional free bb

[quartz sky]

I have a question for gun psykers... I'm currently using autopistol + deimos (I'm level 11, don't have Illisi yet). When is it best to use the gun vs. when is it best to use the sword? I found I run some missions with basically 100% always sword (except for bosses) and some with almost 100% pistol, rarely switch.

also what's the best way to deal with shooters? I usually just bb them from cover

[spice veldt]

if they're close enough, you can spam dodges and slides to close the gap and hope to reach them

holding your melee out increases the range at which ranged enemies will swap to their melee

if you have an inspiring barrage autopistol, you can also fight them directly with your autopistol since that will regen your toughness as you shoot

you get ranged i-frames on dodges, slides, and running perpendicularly

Dodge-slides grant the most uptime for your ranged i-frames; however, they have the downside of counting twice towards your dodge limit

but force swords have infinite dodges, so that downside is completely ignored as long as you're holding your force sword out

so tldr: pew pew them with an inspiring barrage autopistol or dive them with melee

I personally prefer to use my sword all the time since I don't trust pub players to conserve their ammo or be empathetic towards my ammo needs

the autopistol comes out for specials, non-carapace elites, and ranged enemies (if I can't safely dive with melee)

oh you don't have the illisi yet

illisi is the melee I'm thinking of for diving ranged patrols once you get that

and just as the overtuned generalist melee

[spice veldt]

warp absorption is so nice for chasm assassination

[quartz sky]

Deimos is working fine for me now. I'll just rush some missions and unlock illisi

[cosmic sigil]

that and inspiring barrage on the shredder

toughness for days

[quartz sky]

should be a couple of hours from 11 to 15?

[cosmic sigil]

depends one the diff you are playing

[quartz sky]

2

[cosmic sigil]

you could try 3

even lo int

in the meantime, this video will help you learn positioning

https://youtu.be/tZBDmeMLjfQ

the higher you go, the more important it is

[spice veldt]

mats and stuff gained per difficulty

[tall temple]

whoa theres up to 805 plasteel in a damnation run?

[plucky flax]

Yeah by myself I just got 600+

[spice veldt]

i had a nice game where we managed to get all the plasteel and diamantine on a map

[quartz sky]

any way to seamlessly keep brain burst stacks up while in melee? Also peril

I'm using the sword special, trying to understand if htere are most efficient ways

[lunar hollow]

in between your constant murdering of teammates

[tall temple]

you're still 11? You don't exactly need to bother yet

[quartz sky]

why? I deal more damage

[restive slate]

I'm so sorry for the teammates you got

[plucky flax]

It was hab dreyko in the dark. End event all 3 just turtle at the door and let me solo scan all both mini events... ;..;

Some people be selfish in war.

[restive slate]

Psyker builds are more dependant on feats than other Operatives, there are 3 feats which continue to getting more warp charges. So no need to worry yet and just level up in your own time

[restive slate]

Nice workaround

[strong gulch]

There are 2 feats that passively give you warp charges that can happen in melee.

Level 15 Psychic Communion
Level 25 Kinetic Flayer

I agree about not worrying too much about maintaining stacks. They do contribute to damage, but it matters more and is easier to maintain in higher difficulities.

[strong gulch]

Level 30 Ascendent Blaze (AB) also can give warp charges, but things have to die by soulblaze and it expends your warp charges.

[hidden crystal]

Level 25 Kinetic Flayer
One can argue though that at Lvl 25, the extra two charges Warp Battery gives you can equate to an extra minute of buffer before the stacks you would have had otherwise start to decay. (Which can be a lot of time for Psychic Communion to proc if you're running that).

(I know Psychic Communion is competing with some pretty snazzy other feats, but dang does it reduce effort as far as micromanaging warp charges)

[restive slate]

After experiencing 6 warp charges, I've never gone back

[plucky flax]

But wildfire for big memes.

[quartz sky]

any tips on when to block vs dodge?

I find myself always dodging

[spice veldt]

if dodging works, then it's better since it's basically free especially with a force sword

the only attacks that you really need to block are the melee attacks that don't have their tracking broken by dodging and have a high dodge catch

e.g., rager/sword captain's 4-hit combos, plogryn's underhand if you're too close, chaos spawn's 3/4-hit combos

[quartz sky]

ok nice

it's strange, when I first started playing (zealot) I was having a much harder time figuring out what to do and had a much harder time in general. Psyker seems to work much much better for me

I don't know if it's because of the buffs or whatever

[spice veldt]

psyker is a more comfy class for me as well

I have really bad attention management, so not having to worry about my stamina and dodges is worth the tradeoff of managing my peril

[quartz sky]

yea I was always playing catch-up to keep the bleed stacks up for the damage resistance thing

and budgeting my dodges

unlimited dodges + basically just having to keep BB stacks up feels easier, so I can spend more time focusing on the core game mechanics

[nova locust]

here I go against the voices of wisdom again. Why would I use Illisi over Deimos?

[plucky flax]

Better horde clear. Its playstyle dependant and what staff you use also is a factor.

[spice veldt]

certain ranged weapons prefer the illisi like the Surge and guns

with Trauma, Illisi is my non-chaotic hordeclear since the stagger of Trauma is both a blessing and a curse

[nova locust]

STG it was like smacking poxxers with a butterknife, my deimos actually kills them

[spice veldt]

and the toughness regen and melee kills is well appreciated

spam the special on the illisi

if you're not using the special, then it's worse than the Deimos

these are results without any buffs, but the proportion of each combo is roughly the same with buffs (slaughterer, warp unleashed, unstable power)

illisi's special can also chain stagger ragers/maulers (with special-lights) if you can afford the peril

and it has enough base cleave to hit two ragers/maulers

so while its single-target is below the Deimos, I'd say its performance is comparable or better if there's 2 or more enemies (if it can cleave through them)

[plucky flax]

Bro really simp for illisi while we all know gigachads use obscurus

[quartz sky]

Any pros to the mk5 dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

i do like the obscurus's look out of all the force swords

alas, the passage of time has not been kind to it

[plucky flax]

It's got swag and heavies spam is good

[quartz sky]

what's good about it?

[spice veldt]

it's a good weapon if you compare it to the other melees that aren't force swords

the problem arises when you compare it to its siblings

[plucky flax]

It's good single target damage

Oh you meant obscurus

It looks good.

[hidden crystal]

Conversely, I'd note that, with Kinetic Deflection, blocking can convert incoming damage into Peril for any feats/Blessings that interact with that.

I have used a combo of Deflector, Kinetic Deflection and Quietitude to have shooters refill my Toughness. (Admittedly, it'd be more effective at this if I didn't bring a Stamina curio, but I also like being able to block an entire horde at once when reviving, and ALL THE PUSHES).

[quartz sky]

Right now I have a Deimos with Deflector... if I sacrifice it, will I be able to add the blessing to an Illisi?

[hidden crystal]

Yes, all Blaze Force Swords share a blessing pool.

[quartz sky]

nice

is it rare?

[mossy canopy]

So, me and my Psyker buddy are trying to do the Malleus Monstronum (90% a monstrosity with BB) via the kinetic deflection daemonhost method, is there a good way to get the bots to leave it and only clear the poxes or do we just gotta find more friends?

[spice veldt]

weapons within a weapon family share a blessing pool; the last name of a weapon indicates the family to which they belong

[spice veldt]

prob either killing the bots, finding a shieldgryn, having the psyker tank use an 80% defence MKV duelling sword, or finding friends yeah

an 80% defence MKV duelling sword has a default block cost of 0.33

[mossy canopy]

Tanking the thing isn't the issue rn its the bots being bots and shooting it. We considered killing em but that poses the issue of any horde that shows

[spice veldt]

maybe purg staff and bait the daemonhost into a map section where you can easily hold a horde and where they'll only come from a single direction

so fairly dependent on the map and section if you're going for a duo

[hidden crystal]

Not especially; it exists at all tiers... and frankly, the small block bonus between is fairly trivial compared to the basic function of blocking ranged attacks to begin with.

As such, the approach I ended up taking with the current state of crafting (there's a chance this will change with the next patch) was just watching the Armoury for an Illisi with good stats that already had a low level of Deflector (the armoury won't spawn more than T2 Blessings), because that then means that it was impossible for Hadron to brick it by giving me two Blessings I didn't like. Whatever the second one was, I could replace it with Slaughterer out of my library.

(Mind you, you already need Slaughterer in your inventory for that, but still, because of how little Deflector varies between tiers, it was a way of safely getting the blessing combo I wanted, albeit not necessarily at a perfect tier).

[spice veldt]

the non-tanker can just stop hitting the daemonhost and clear the horde once it appears

[mossy canopy]

Might just send a shout for someone to not be a bot later when we take another run at it then, thanks m8

[hidden crystal]

Also, arguably, as I do now often use the Kinetic Deflection/Quietitude combo, the lower block efficency is arguably a plus, as it allows me to channel more Peril into my Toughness.

[spice veldt]

there's that video of syllogism doing an exaggerated example of blocking a firing line of gunners and then quelling during their dodge-slide which I found to be pretty amusing

it's a shame that their streamable video expired

[mossy canopy]

Fair point, never thought about that but it'll def help keep the random shooters from splatting the blocker

[spice veldt]

it's fairly difficult for me to quell while dodge-sliding because of my keybinds, but I also have the Multiple Keybinds mod to change that

[last cradle]

What's the red exclamation mark on gear mean?

[hidden crystal]

I think it means that you no longer own the item that you put into that loadout.

[mossy canopy]

That or if you mean on a specific stat it means you can't swap it IIRC

[hidden crystal]

You either bartered or surrendered it.

[last cradle]

But it's still in my inventory

[spice veldt]

spooky

maybe it means a ghost is haunting it

[strong gulch]

Swap builds. That's cleared it up for me before.

[spice veldt]

as in you can see it in your inventory or just on the loadout screen

i have never had that happen to me

maybe i should use loadouts more

[strong gulch]

Re: killing bots.

They know when you want them gone. Suddenly they'll start going shit house on everything. 😩

[last cradle]

Yeah I have 3 loadouts, this particular curio is used in all of them, but is only showing the mark on one loadout

[strong gulch]

Maybe unequip and re-equip the item?

[last cradle]

Early access

[strong gulch]

oh

[last cradle]

I already did that

[mossy canopy]

Well, at this point I'd attempt diplomacy, maybe you can make friends with the exclamation mark if it won't go away

[last cradle]

It's actually been here for a while, only just tried figuring it out now

[spice veldt]

a stoic, it seems

[mossy canopy]

It's got squatters rights now, too late

[restive slate]

Maybe you can put them to work in the fields

[last cradle]

Wait how do you kill bots

[mossy canopy]

Let them get hounded/crushered/reapered... It's harder to not kill them sometimes it seems really

[spice veldt]

by "accident"

[mossy canopy]

They love to hug Maulers and Ragers

[spice veldt]

bots are pretty good at surviving until their stamina/dodges run out

and more so now that they were buffed

oh well i guess there are ranged enemies

i always get impressed by them surviving against a horde and forget about the moments when they get their ass blasted by ranged patrols

[restive slate]

Once we can customise our own bots, imma build mine to be as survivable as my VT2 bots

[last cradle]

Ah I was hoping you'd tell me you could push them off a cliff

[lunar hollow]

bosses have incredible melee peformance against singular and small groups of enemies

not so much anything else

[mossy canopy]

You could attempt to get a poxburster to do it for you?

[spice veldt]

josho is the prime expert on pushing teammates off with the liberal exploding of bursters and barrels

[lunar hollow]

wtf

rude

[restive slate]

But not inaccurate

[hidden crystal]

Oh, it is both amusing and amazing. It's a non-obvious trick that I think is unique to the class...?

Lots of classes have ways to reduce incoming damage, but I'm not sure there's another combination where you can actually be healed by being attacked.

(Well, arguably, Zealots can take damage to trigger the Holy Revenant feat, but that's still ultimately a function of the damage they do rather than the damage they take.)

[spice veldt]

it's an nice example of a loop

[spice veldt]

case in point https://streamable.com/udww2o

[lunar hollow]

i got em both in different corners

[spice veldt]

like some people have talked about potential buffs to Faith Restores All (recover 25% of hp damage taken over time) on zealot applying to your toughness as well (and having a larger bonus)

[cedar cove]

Like watching a master snooker player corner two reds.

[mossy canopy]

You gotta go for the triple now

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/2w3xie

[mossy canopy]

Excellent lmfao

[cedar cove]

AMAZING

[hidden crystal]

Quietitude didn't necessarily strike me as brilliant when I first read it (particularly as a gunpsyker who often won't be generating much peril), but I've grown to appreciate it a lot more over time.

(For one thing, you can actually trigger it while taking cover after your teammates have karked off out of coherency - charge up Illisi repeatedly, vent, repeat).

[mossy canopy]

It's great for non flame builds I've found, but for purgatus it gets outperformed by the on kill 15%

Haven't tried it on trauma staff because the little arsonist in me keeps pulling me away from it

[hidden crystal]

It also helps me feel better when the peril is bleeding away and reducing my Warp Unleashed damage - at least it's going into my toughness.

[last cradle]

Anyone need to do mallets monstrom

[quartz sky]

ok I just tried Deflector for the first time. It is a game changer

[hidden crystal]

People are a bit mixed on it, as it does mean sacrificing a blessing slot, but it does have its uses.

[quartz sky]

I mean I'm still lvl 15

so I don't know what else I could be running besides it

I'm just saying it seems like a big qualify of life improvement

[spice veldt]

very much

my stance on it is that you would run deflector if you want to win; and you'd run other blessings for some more damage

though deflector can be a detriment if you're not running stam/block eff/kinetic deflection because you'll get randomly guardbroken by stray ranged shots sometimes

if deflector "turned off" if you didn't have the requisite stamina instead of guardbreaking you, i'd consider running it

[hidden crystal]

A common one is Unstable Power, which gives you +5% Power for each 20% Peril you have, and that can help you make breakpoints for damage on Damnation. Uncanny Strike is sometimes popular too for getting through armour, but that's more of a niche one.

[quartz sky]

power = ? damage in general?

melee, ranged, brain burst?

[spice veldt]

power is damage, cleave, and stagger

+75% power is equal to +75% damage, +75% cleave, and +75% stagger

in addition, it stacks multiplicatively with damage/cleave/stagger

[quartz sky]

ok, got it

[spice veldt]

so let's say you've got a Heavy Sword with Rampage (+50% damage) and Headtaker (+75% power)

you'd get 1.5 * 1.75 = 2.625x more base damage (instead of 2.25x if it had stacked additively)

[quartz sky]

that's a lot

and it seems to synergize well with the +% damage based on peril feat

[spice veldt]

your buffs will apply to all damage sources, but they'll only be active as long as the weapon with those buffs is held out

[mossy canopy]

I do and I got the sword to do the block half for yours if you're still lookin

[spice veldt]

e.g., power% from your force sword will increase the damage of DoTs like Soulblaze as long as you're holding it out

[quartz sky]

at low level should I be engaging with the crafting system? Like, buy a grey weapon, upgrade it to blue, slot it with blessings? Or is it something I should bother with after 30?

[hidden crystal]

Not much.

[spice veldt]

i want to tell you to save it, but at the same time, mat gain at lower difficulties is fairly low so you're not losing out much if you use up your current mats

so i guess feel free to spend some of it on getting some decent version, but you'll also reach lvl30 (relatively) soon

just do whatever you like I suppose

[hidden crystal]

Buy better stuff if it comes along, maybe upgrade things a little, but definitely don't invest in getting things all the way to orange rarity.

At those levels, it's likely that anything you do bother to upgrade too much will be obsoleted by something with much better base stats in just a couple of levels.

[lunar hollow]

it mattered more before mat drops were buffed, honestly

[spice veldt]

mat gain per difficulty for reference

[lunar hollow]

now imagine this when like

the max from damnation was like 300 smth

[mossy canopy]

Out of curiosity, do any of y'all remember if the game ever mentions reload to quell in the tutorial? Tired of my boy clowning on me for only discovering it at lvl 30 running heresy and I swear its mentioned nowhere

[spice veldt]

i am 60% sure it does

[mossy canopy]

Drat.

[spice veldt]

i also haven't played the tutorial in like a few hundred hours

i would hope that quelling would be mentioned in the tutorials

[hidden crystal]

I can go and check out the tutorial again, I guess...

[last cradle]

Do we need two more?

[spice veldt]

same

might as well refresh myself on how shitty the tutorial is

[mossy canopy]

We can grab from lfg but ye

[mossy canopy]

I can do it myself later, my own pettyness will drive me to it if nothing else

[hidden crystal]

I'm somewhat interested to see what it does and doesn't mention.

I know there's a mod that lets you replay the prologue, but now I'm wondering if there's a way to get to replay it with your full gear.

Just for hilarity.

[mossy canopy]

It's entirely possible I'm an oblivious fool, it wouldn't be out of character lmao

[hidden crystal]

(I know the curios still apply with the normal replay mod, but you don't get your ult, BB, or normal weapons, alas)

[spice veldt]

there should also be this text at the bottom of the screen

but i think somebody remarked on it being broken?

I removed that text with a mod so I wouldn't know

you should be able to replay the prologue with your gear with the soloplay mod

it's the Tancred Bastion map i think

[mossy canopy]

Oh my god it is there. I am blind

[hidden crystal]

It does say "Meditate to quell your peril", yes.

[spice veldt]

nvm trying to play Tancred Bastion straight up crashes my game

[hidden crystal]

Although I guess that it's not specific that it's your character that has to do that, but I'd hope that's obvious.

adopts lotus position

[mossy canopy]

I had thought that was what the passive quell was

[spice veldt]

f

i suppose passive quelling is pretty fast for force weapons nowadays

it used to take 30 seconds I think to quell from 100% to 0% with force weapons

[analog solstice]

what kind of curios is usually the best for psyker?

[plucky flax]

Is there any obscurus skin I can apply to illsi/deimos?

[spice veldt]

i don't think so; only the illisi and deimos so far

[plucky flax]

That sucks man I want a thicc sword.

[spice veldt]

depends; a mix of hp & tough, and sometimes stamina if you know what you're using it for

yeah i really do like the model

it's a nice straight broad blade

and the handguard isn't as large as it is on the illisi

I personally run 3 toughness, but I also am fairly comfortable with not taking consecutive hits in melee or getting ganked by all the things that ignore toughness

I also stack a little bit of HP as the side perks on my curios

[plucky flax]

I run triple hp with triple hp perks.

[quartz sky]

Is there anything like "quell peril on kill", so I can spam the Illisi special?

[last cradle]

There quell peril on weak spot hit I think

[quartz sky]

blessing?

[plucky flax]

[last cradle]

Ye blessing

[spice veldt]

someone had too much fun with the creature spawner

there's psyker's passive 10% chance to quell 10% peril, which can counteract your peril gen if you kill enough with each special and your warp res is high enough

[quartz sky]

thanks

also, as a gun psyker (illisi + autopistol) which feats are best to run?

all 1 looks solid

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, there's enough things that instantly annihilate or ignore your toughness that I can only justify taking so much of it.

[mossy canopy]

I run one tough, 1 hp, 1 wound because too many times you get instakilled after getting picked up while its still spicy but that's just me

[plucky flax]

@spice veldt on surge staff, this increase the crit chance of right click right?