psyker-class

[plucky flax]

More flak damage more op

[thorn cedar]

yea it doesnt need it tho

cause it just already is

check the numbers on it

Scab Shooters and Stalkers are 300 and 360hp respectively

Shotgunners are 800, Gunners are 1200

you're already fucking them right up

the extra damage is mostly wasted

[plucky flax]

Maybe for kill steal

[thorn cedar]

thats what your bb is for ;D

[plucky flax]

Bb is to mark targets for vet to shoot

[thorn cedar]

too true

[amber abyss]

Damn Brunt really outdid himself

[ornate hamlet]

CC tool

[spice veldt]

wow is this staff for josho

[lunar hollow]

why the hell would i ever use that

im not that much of a cretin

[spice veldt]

desperation

tbh if I didn't have any other good staff, i'd use that trauma

rip breakpoints

[lunar hollow]

it wouldnt be the worst

you just lean into it as basically a better vet nade/ogryn rumbler

[amber abyss]

It's a shame that the other stats are so solid

[harsh urchin]

Blazing spirit staff 🤓

Cuz afaik it doesnt apply the stacks if u kill the enemu

So all u gotta do is not do damage 🤓

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/4siwhu

[lunar dune]

which blessing to keep and which to change? running warp charge+trauma staff build

would swap for deflector (lvl2) or blazing spirit (4) or uncanny strike (4)

[hidden crystal]

I think Precognition is generally considered useless.

Most of these perks/blessings only affect the bonus damage, not the full damage.

[lunar dune]

ok thanks, I was reading up and Precog seemed pretty weak

[hidden crystal]

In theory it might get you a breakpoint, but compared to Slaughterer or Unstable Power that's pointless.

[thick carbon]

am I allowed to be frustrated with another psyker using weapons that are ineffective for the difficulty and condition? or is that considered toxic?

[hidden crystal]

It's usually pointless.

[thick carbon]

I mean like internally. like me thinking to myself "why are they using that in a Hi5ST?"

[hidden crystal]

Well, in that case, sure, you're allowed to be frustrated with the muppet on your team.

[lunar dune]

you can be frustrated for sure, thats a personal thing. When that frustraion becomes verbalised into abuse... well that's when it's toxic 🙂

[hidden crystal]

But "omg that's a terrible build, learn 2 play n00b" in the chat is just going to go down badly.

[lunar dune]

yep, but a "you could consider xyz instead" would be ok

[thick carbon]

okay good. usually when I do verbalise frustrations like that, I try to structure it into something like "hey, I noticed that you're using a combination of the laspistol and catachan sword. I wouldn't recommend that for a Psyker on a mission like this"

[lunar dune]

yer nothing wrong with that, that's how we learn.

not everyone scoures youtube and discord for meta builds, some just play with something they like

or they saw someone use a similar build and they wanted to try it out

[thick carbon]

I'm all for playing with things that are fun. hell, I encourage it for the most part.

[hidden crystal]

But yes, laspistol and catachan sword would be an odd build for Hi5 Shock.

[thick carbon]

nothing wrong with either of those paired with something else and the Psyker does have their BB. but seeing someone go down about eight times in the course of 10 minutes isnt a good sign

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, you can probably make either work on its own, but as a pairing you're not really leveraging the features of the psyker class.

[thick carbon]

I mean hell, I have a wonderful laspistol loadout for my psyker that works pretty damn well and uses my purg loadout as its base

only real difference is that I replaced Warp unleased with Wrack and Ruin for funsies

[hidden crystal]

I do play gunpsyker, but it's paired with a deflector Illisi... so I am doing something somewhat psyker-ish.

[thick carbon]

well yeah, thats the other part lol. I burn and weaken the big guys and cut down the small ones

part of me feels like the people who don't use any actual psyker weapons once they get to a high enough level don't actually want to play psyker and just like the idea of having unlimited grenades

[hidden crystal]

With the right veteran feats, your grenades aren't exactly in short supply.

(Between Demolition Stockpile and Demolotion team, one free every 60s, and a 5% chance to get one any time someone in coherency kills an elite).

At that point, you almost have to waste them.

[ornate hamlet]

tbh I wish psyker had a proper synergy between other melee weapons and their toughness feats

I'm not sure what they would get that fits the theme, though

I'd be down for simply doubling toughness per kill

It clones the zealot one, but nobody uses that anyway

Or maybe something similar to SOTT's passive where people making kills near you while on full THP would transfer their THP to you

Which probably they're adding for protectorate

[thick carbon]

I remember VT2 had the generalized "staggering enemies gives temporary health" type of stuff. while it felt kinda generic, it was also good because it was versatile.

[ornate hamlet]

It was a really good one, yeah

People also used the cleave one a lot on fast weapons

Psyker also has the potential of being a really unique class

The laspistol has a force push instead of the usual nyeh from other classes

Infernus could apply soulblaze instead of normal fire

Nothing is saying psykers can't augment their own physical prowess to attack enemies with warp-powered attacks on any weapon, because apparently that's actually a thing

Reading the wiki there's apparently psykers that use their power to become close combat beasts

There could be a whole psyker class dedicated to being a warp-powered wall of muscle like an ogryn

Mages, to me, are at their most interesting when intersecting with other archetypes

Dragon's Dogma's mage and sorcerer put me to sleep, but magick archer was really fun and versatile (and one of the most broken classes in the game), and magick knight admittedly was gimmicky, but still had interesting uses for its magic

[upper galleon]

yes because it calculates terribly and no it wont help with a breakpoint

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker could have volley fire but purely damage

Hit ult, augment weapon power

And I do mean power

Press button to cleave, damage and stagger

[thick carbon]

kinda like Twisted Rounds in Outriders

[upper galleon]

weak spot damage and crit damage only APPLIES to the bonus damage from those respective crit/weakspot

and not the total

not to mentoin precog is inconsistent to proc, even t4 isn't worth it

[cosmic sigil]

Tbh, the illisi psyker is already a monster in melee. The one thing that compete with it in my arsenal is my ogryn with bb.

[hidden crystal]

In a forum RP years back, one of my characters was a biokinetic/telepath psyker whose power set proved so monstrous that I had to plot with the GM on how we could actually kill her.

We eventually agreeing on her dying going hand-to-hand with a World Eaters Dreadnought.

And despite being mortally wounded in the process (beyond the scope of what she could regenerate), she still killed the thing.

She was quite fun to play though.

At one point the heretek antagonist tried to kill a character by implanting a data virus to stop their bionic heart - so she just ripped the bionic heart out and regenerated the original.

[toxic tusk]

Still figuring this class out. what are your thoughts and what would you change for this Surge built Psyker

[hidden crystal]

Now, admittedly, as far as overall power level, she was definitely getting a good long way up the psychic assignment, but still not that powerful compared to what psykers can be.

[hidden crystal]

I'd ask what your curios are like.

Block efficiency on the Illisi probably isn't that worth it as compared to something like Flak or Maniac damage, unless you really are finding that Kinetic Deflection isn't already enough. (Admittedly, I do personally run a +3 Stamina Curio, but that's at least in part because I like to use loads of push attacks).

[toxic tusk]

Honestly I feel they are Junk but I have yet to figure out what the best for the class are so Ive been using max HP ones becuse im not sure what would be best for the class. plus they are sure low score level ones.

[toxic tusk]

Ive tried seeking knowledge from all mighty Google but that just sent me in too many directions of conflicting knowledge

[hidden crystal]

Oof, yes, the Gilded Fragment is royally bricked. About the only thing it could do worse is have one of those perks as +% XP.

While some people swear by Ordo Dockets, it's a really quite paltry increase in reward and gives you no bonus on mission.

[primal blade]

hey a one docket difference might mean getting or not getting that fancy new staff

[hidden crystal]

And for damage resistances, the two that are worth consideration are Gunners and Snipers; Bombers, Flamers, Hounds and Mutants do very little (Bomber, for example, only affects their melee damage, not the grenades), although I might just tolerate Hound or Mutant on a curio that was otherwise very good.

[hidden crystal]

The bottleneck is basically always plasteel.

[primal blade]

hounds don't do a lot of damage but they sure will make you take a lot of damage

[primal blade]

that too

plasteel and frickin diamantine

when i have enough plasteel i don't have enough diamantine

and when i have enough diamantine i don't have enough plasteel

how does that even frickin happen ?

[hidden crystal]

I don't even bother worrying about Diamantine any more. Loads of the crafting uses so much more plasteel than diamantine (particularly if you write off a weapon early on in the consecration rather than doubling down on "well, if the next upgrade is good, I can replace this bad one!"), so this is a frequent situation for me:

[primal blade]

Dayumn

I've seen a lot of plasteel on difficulty 1 and 2

Like genuine seas of it

[hidden crystal]

Diamantine's a bit more of a concern at lower levels and difficulties, but very few of the crafting options use diamantine in a higher ratio than you get the two when playing at higher difficulties.

The first two crafting tiers are entirely plasteel. Perk rerolls might use some, but way less than they do plasteel, and even the higher crafting tiers still use much more plasteel than diamantine.

I think the only thing that uses a lot of diamantine compared to its plasteel cost is re-blessing a weapon, but those costs are comparatively small and it's not something you have to do very often.

All Diamantine really does is serve as a barrier to low difficulty players getting orange tier items.

At Difficulty 3 or up, about the only reason to still bother picking it up is Melk's weeklies sometimes include collecting diamantine.

[steel flame]

The diamantine economy gonna be fucked whenever they give us a way to use it

[hidden crystal]

And I guess that you'd eventually have none if you genuinely didn't ever bother picking it up.

I have vague hope that it might eventually be more usable too, I suppose.

[ornate hamlet]

Though specifically for that, the illisi is the weapon enabling the playstyle more than the class is enabling the playstyle on that weapon

[primal blade]

I've been running the Ilissi with certain traits and ngl

only snipers remind me that brain burst exists

and muties

at least up to difficulty 3

just swing

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah. True.

[primal blade]

just power swing repeatedly and then quell the peril if you're pushing it

[spice veldt]

give us a duration ult like vet pl0x

(and a 25 second cooldown like vet pl0x)

[steel flame]

There are many builds like that where you don't even need bb most of the time even in damnation

And just as many where you bb all the time

[primal blade]

ngl BBing is fun

but most of the time i see that its just

not a good idea

i keep it in the very back of my toolkit

[spice veldt]

yeah not having the damage/stagger frontloaded like guns limits its utility sometimes

but the range and autoaim of BB is very nice

if I don't run a gun, the best option is usually for me to be wildly out of position and to melee specials

[primal blade]

Force Sword is at the forefront
Voidstrike as the secondary for long range and for horde clear when i have places to be
BB for the very rare occassions where i need to up my warp charges manually or the sniper is in a spot that i can't voidstrike him comfortably

like my friend who is playing veteran legit once went

"oh well i guess that horde is gone" when i was running to the data interrogator that broke

pair that up with a zealot or charging ogryn and hordes be gone

only issue being the bosses

but i am sure that one will sort itself out

[plain turret]

Which one is better? Or do they both suck?

[upper galleon]

interesting to hear protectorates chain lightning replacement

i hope it is more of a damage tool than a surge staff replacement

[ornate hamlet]

The right one has some meh perks, but unstable power is nice and gives you space to put slaughterer

Replace sprint efficiency with maniac or flak

[plain turret]

Ok thank you 🙂

[meager eagle]

what are the best stats for voidstrike staff?

cuz i got this from brunt's armory and im not sure if i should bother spending materials on it

[whole oxide]

that's pretty nice

depends if you're going to put transfer-peril/flurry on it, or make a crit-based surge/blazing build

with transfer-peril, you can ignore the warp-res and quell stats, you'll never have to worry about peril

[meager eagle]

yeah i was thinking of transfer peril since its just comfy to have for me

[uncut pulsar]

Voidstrike staves can get blazing right?

[meager eagle]

ayup

[uncut pulsar]

Thanks just wanted to make sure after I've gotten like 20 without it

[meager eagle]

felt

also got this goddamn monster as an emperor's gift lol

[uncut pulsar]

Jesus it even has the meme number

It's too powerful

[meager eagle]

feels goddamn nice with the brainburst on damage feat

[fringe garden]

Is Blazing Spirit still a pretty mediocre blessing?

[spice veldt]

on the force swords yeah

people have been getting some work out of it on the voidstrike and trauma apparently though

man a high warp res illisi with warp absorption feels really good to use

since i'm not capping out my peril all the time, and I don't need the bank for quietitude

[ornate hamlet]

just rolled this

wonder if shred or headtaker is better

i need to take one off for BM

Headtaker

wonderful roll

i usually block -> attack spam so having headtaker is nice

since it doesnt need to be chained

so im probably taking shred off

Yes

i probably wont need to do so anymore if i put BM in anyway

Headtaker is 100% better

should i change any of my perks?

i feel like theyre so generalists that they might be good as they are

unarmored to flak

guess so yeah

Its like perfect

rolling for good items for my psyker is all i can do at this point lol

still need that private lobby penance

that i'll never get

why

people play in here daily

dont usually play with randos

nothing against them, i just like quickplaying

which is with randos

tbh

that you just arent in a discord with

i wish i could play solo lol

iunno

[meager eagle]

whats the best 2 perks for voidstrike?

ive got blessings down not sure what perks i should roll for

[limber silo]

best devil's claw anyone?

[limber silo]

Warp Flurry and Transfer Peril imo

[meager eagle]

oh ye ik i meant actual perks

like the +25% damage ones

[limber silo]

Flak and Unarmored?

[meager eagle]

okie ty

[cosmic sigil]

The 4 for the moveset tbh.

[spice veldt]

elite resistance is back on the menu

[lyric burrow]

4

i think 1 is decent as well and i know nothing about mk 7

[ornate hamlet]

siblings, is the warp battery penance bugged? I can't seem to complete it for some reason even though I'm pretty sure I kept the charges maxed for over 10 minutes

I've also heard some stuff about it needing to be done on heresy rather than malice like the penance say

[spice veldt]

wow chasm station again

[hidden crystal]

I definitely completed it on Malice when I did, but that was before they did the penance overhauls, so I can't guarantee that they haven't broken it since.

But if those comments aren't (reasonably) recent, you can ignore them.

[viral solstice]

this is old but raking fire gives backstab damage

backstab damage is its own separate bucket, like weakspot etc

it is pure %base damage

yes, this is exactly as worthless as u think

on a laspistol eg its just adding 30% of ur base damage and is unscaled by crit or weakspot

the only time its functional is when ur bodyshot banditing a bulwark from behind

o then u looked up my post's nevermind

but ye its basically the only instance of ranged flanking damage in the game

the only thing that uses the mechanic

and it is peepee the poopoo

[spice veldt]

peepee

[foggy cape]

I'm leveling with Brutal Momentum Antax 5

everything afterwards is going to feel like a downgrade

[viral solstice]

wrong

u can get a brutal momentum rashad

there is more mountain

and tbf if ur a psyker a pimped out illisi is probs better and more fun to boot so really its all gucci

[regal jasper]

I want to cosplay my psyker

[grizzled iris]

I can book you in for an amputation this afternoon at 2:30 pm, would you like to book this time?

[regal jasper]

Oh yeah that works

How much will it cost

[cosmic sigil]

a leg

[regal jasper]

I only have like 75 plasteels

[regal jasper]

Oh thank god it wasn’t an arm and a leg

[grizzled iris]

Alright, now for the payment. Your total cost sums up to. $275,000 would you like to pay cash or credit?

[regal jasper]

Uh

Do you take aquilas?

[grizzled iris]

We do not, cash or credit sir.

[ocean cipher]

how's Valleni looking so far?

[regal jasper]

Card

But i only have like 35$

[grizzled iris]

Looks like he needs an amputation for $275,000, would you like to be booked in at 3 pm?

[ocean cipher]

she... doesn't??

[regal jasper]

Damn mine will only take 30 minutes?

[ocean cipher]

wait are you with the Admech?

[grizzled iris]

We are a well staffed amputation centre sir.

[regal jasper]

Huh?

[regal jasper]

Ah fair enough

[ocean cipher]

are you with the adeptus mechanicus

[grizzled iris]

We serve the great Omnissiah, no more, no less.

Cash or credit

[ocean cipher]

do you accept faith

or contempt

[grizzled iris]

Cash or credit

[regal jasper]

Praise nurgle!!!

[ocean cipher]

HERESY

[regal jasper]

Boom paid in full

[regal jasper]

Only a little bit

Just a light little teeny tiny bit

[ocean cipher]

yknow i'd report it if i cared

[regal jasper]

i may or may not be tattooed with grandfather’s symbol

[grizzled iris]

Initiating Protocol C-95B: Anal Connection to F-01A Food & Liquid Intake.

[regal jasper]

Uh what

[ocean cipher]

tbf i've been thinking of nabbing total warhammer 3 and playing kugath

[grizzled iris]

Negative, Me suggest Inquisitor Martyr instead.

[ocean cipher]

what feats are good

im on 3111 rn

[grizzled iris]

3-1-1-2-1-3

[ocean cipher]

ok but kinetic deflection is kind of insane

esp with deflector

[grizzled iris]

Negative, good on Assassinstion missions. Deflector are for people with bad positioning.

[regal jasper]

You cutting my leg off or what

[grizzled iris]

Cash or credit

[regal jasper]

Credit

[grizzled iris]

Send credit numbers together with full name

[regal jasper]

Ah sure one sec

[plucky flax]

I use deflector and kinetic deflection. It's good.

[ocean cipher]

i only have t1 deflector now

[plucky flax]

Deflector tiers don't really matter tbh.

[ocean cipher]

heres my kit rn

im in love with purgatus and trauma

[plucky flax]

Oh you're pre 30 then don't worry too much. Save your plasteels.

[ocean cipher]

yeah

im really trying to get warp flurry

a small change to my outfit

[rugged halo]

mom says you can play cowboy and wizards later, you need to clean your room

[ocean cipher]

also any idea why i have the hand wraps

they appeared on valleni today and i have no idea where the fuck i got em but i like em

[rugged halo]

cause its part of the shirt

[near wyvern]

It's not the high tier blessings, it's the mother fucking perks.

[rugged halo]

perks can be changed, but for now +3 stamins is the highest i've seen it

i do have an absolutely god teir sword

[near wyvern]

You can only change ONE perk. I have ruined so many +3 stam

And note, you will get 3 on it and the good ones have around 1-3% chance to roll PER PERK

[rugged halo]

this staff was almost perfect

so many missed 80%'s

[near wyvern]

Burn over 76% doesn't really matter, it's soft capped at 76 currently

[ocean cipher]

why is low warp res better

[rugged halo]

its a dump stat

[near wyvern]

With purge you usually want high warp resist and low quell speed

Quell speed is the dump stat for it

[ocean cipher]

also i wanna clarify, charge time doesn't influence peril?

like

[near wyvern]

Yes and no

[ocean cipher]

2.5s charge time is gonna use exactly as much peril as 1s?

*exactly 2.5x as much

[rugged halo]

these are my other two staffs that i use more

[near wyvern]

@ocean cipher

Warp resist is the one that determines the cost of charging etc. That sets a constant peril / s value for your staff, it doesn't matter if you have faster or slower charge staff, if they share the warp resist value they will have the exact same cost for their max charge.

HOWEVER

If you have Warp Flurry on the staff which speeds up the charge time of your staff, that blessing will reduce the charge cost by the same percentage since peril is always a fixed peril / s cost -> less time charging is less peril used in that case

[ocean cipher]

ok so a staff with faster charge time means less peril

also doesn't the trauma staff now cap at like a .6 charge time

[near wyvern]

No, staff with same warp charge is same peril regardless of difference in charge time, but Warp Flurry which makes your casts charge faster causes you to spend less peril for the same charge

The base peril cost is set per staff class (trauma, surge, purge, void)

[ocean cipher]

wait so

that means i can only get like 2 shots at max warp flurry?

[near wyvern]

No, the fastest charge for trauma should be 1.0 seconds at 100% roll which is not possible at the moment. Perhaps with a fully stacked flurry you can reach 0.6 seconds

[ocean cipher]

thats what i meant

[near wyvern]

@ocean cipher

You always should take inner tranq and battery with flurry trauma. You need it to get it going. Battle Meditation procs and Kinetic Barrage help to keep the peril down as well.

[ocean cipher]

so long as i can take kinetic diflection

[ocean cipher]

what do all of those do

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

[steel flame]

Inner tranq increases peril resistance per warp charge, warp batter let's you have 6 warp charges rather than 4

[near wyvern]

^ that message is also pinned in this channel should you find the need for it later

[ocean cipher]

i can still take deflection yay!

no warp unleashed tho

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's the only build which should not take it

[steel flame]

Sadly quelling deletes flurry stacks

[ocean cipher]

also is illisi or deimos better for this build

[steel flame]

I prefer diemos

Hordes are gonna be dying to the trauma

[near wyvern]

@ocean cipher

This should answer 95% of your questions

Psyker Quick Guides: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOqPFl_Q4iarX8ICc5Cwfc_ojsqKtEt1b

[ocean cipher]

am i correct that trauma is used for routing hordes and staggering big enemies

[near wyvern]

Yes

[steel flame]

Yup

[ocean cipher]

so deimos should do it

can i strip kinetic off of ilissi and put it on deimos

[near wyvern]

Also be wary of not pushing mobs away from your zealots and Ogryns, they need to hit stuff to regain toughness and avoid getting chipped

[ocean cipher]

er

deflect or whatever it is

[near wyvern]

Yes

[ocean cipher]

tbf i love all the classes so much

each class feels so unique

[near wyvern]

I would say Psykers have the highest skill floor and ceiling out of them all

[steel flame]

I wouldn't know. Since I only play psyker

[fluid knot]

Omfg yes. This is the first time I've ever seen someone actually say this.

Same goes for Vet grenades an i constantly have to point it out in pugs

[steel flame]

It goes far beyond regular mechanical stuff like aiming and movement too. So many small wierd things to manage along with maximizing all the resources you have and all that while trying to not detonate like a nuke

[ocean cipher]

to me:
Sharpshooter feels like a slow, methodical playstyle. Using cover, taking shots at important targets
Preacher feels like a melee powerhouse, shredding horses and pulling out the holy bolter to rip through a horde when needed, or the holy flamer to act as a bulwark
Psyker is a frenzied dance- protecting your allies from ranged elites, using your staff to protect yourself and route hordes, quelling and dodging, all while teetering on the edge of annihilation
and Ogryn feels like oh nice ambush now move i've got a fuckin train

[near wyvern]

Poor pony

Psyker can be played in many ways, you can kit it out to play more like ranged class similar to a veteran, more to a melee oriented or flamer class like a zealot, more like a tanky crowd control tool like an ogryn, or then just an absolute mad lad who controls everything except monstrosities

The thing with Psyker is that because we have at least 2 viable feats on each column and because we have the brain burst, it's so easy to make out kits with no weaknesses other than if you get caught you die.

[fluid knot]

Psyker actually has build variety yeah, there is much less clear "BiS" perks like there are on other classes

[rugged halo]

just like in the salem days, a crowd will always be the witch's worst enemy, if you get caught in one lol

[fluid knot]

Keeps it interesting

[steel flame]

I love how Im always at one of two extremes with psyker. One I'm on point with peril and can do whatever the fuck i want with near impunity or two im having a shit day with peril management and I never have toughness or I'm blowing up all game

[rugged halo]

dude, i know that feeling. and it usually occurs when i'm using weapons i'm not familiar with. like the surge staff

[ocean cipher]

is voidstrike like

at all good

also how do u kit psyker for range?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, its good for wiping horde at distance

[steel flame]

Depends on who you ask

[fluid knot]

Deal with 90% of a mixed horde before it becomes a problem, but it doesnt have the utility of Trauma

[ocean cipher]

im so curious what the psyker subclasess are gonna look like

[fluid knot]

Its arguably a less risky Purga in a lot of contexts

[near wyvern]

Surge stuff blows up on your face so fucking fast cause it has the lowest charge but highest finish cost, that throws people off so fucking much

[rugged halo]

yea, thats why i dont like surge

[near wyvern]

It causes the "yeah I can do one more, WOOPSIE"

[rugged halo]

purgatus is perfect for me, plus purgatus has that high stagger chance

purgatus is perfect for crowd management in my opinion

besides if i wanted to go long range then i'll use brain burst

[ocean cipher]

i still think brain burst needs a bit of a rework

i'd love to be able to just hold it on a target and dot them until they're within kill range

[steel flame]

Shredder gun psykers, pyromaniac blazing spirit staff psykers, those weird people that quell cancel everything psykers (cough) gigachad laspistol pykers

[near wyvern]

@ocean cipher

Void is the best staff in terms of horde DPS and it is the only one that can reliably deal with ranged units further away, however, in damnation+ it falls off unless your team has a bolter to deal with the elites. The elite DPS on it sucks.

[rugged halo]

i've heard surge staff is great for damnatation, which is why i have one. but i honestly prefer the purgatus staves

[near wyvern]

What they really need to do is make RMB cast time the exactly same as LMB. There is 0 reason to make it take an additional 1 second (and generate more peril...) compared to the LMB.

[ocean cipher]

no fucking way

i knew something was off with rmb

[fluid knot]

Honestly Surge is pretty mid a lot of the time, a good team benifits less from it because they already know how to dodge muties an to push bursters, its better in a mid team than it is in a skilled team

[near wyvern]

Depends from your team. Surge staff amplifies whatever your team is doing. A good team will have a holiday with surge, a bad team will hit a brick wall.

[ocean cipher]

see i think rmb should have 0 changes except have the time shaved off, vs lmb should be a lock on dot, + right click to do the regular pop as a finisher

or it just automatically pops if the target reaches the kill threshold

[near wyvern]

It's not just that, cursher packs in mixed horde with Surge + Quicken is no problem

[rugged halo]

two obviously different opinoins on the surge staff lol

[ocean cipher]

i thought quicken was shit

[rugged halo]

i say, go what ever you are comfortable with

[ocean cipher]

anyway i gotta bed

night yall

[near wyvern]

It was on release

[steel flame]

I love surge now. The quell cancel primary spam the just melts shot on it just completes the package along with the amazing CC, slap an unstable slaughterer illi sword on there and it's my most balanced psyker build

[fluid knot]

Tbh, Crushers are so low on the threat priority list for me personally Surge doesnt hold a whole lot of value :/

[near wyvern]

Only if it had blazing spirit... So much sadness

[fluid knot]

They're slow an easy to avoid for the most part

[near wyvern]

Until you walk out the wrong elevator

But in any case I play fire trauma

Cause it deals with crushers and kills them as well (eventually)

And I have Deimos one shot for mutants. Why stop them when you can just remove them.

[steel flame]

Man If I could have nexus and BS on the surge it really would make the perfect balance build, but it's still pretty close

[fluid knot]

Sometimes, but then in those situations, a lot of people will try to hold the elevator, which is generally not the move, just means it gets flooded by shit super fast.

Crusher blocking LoS is particularly annoying in those situations if there are flamers an the like, but generally try to get out with back to a wall asap

[steel flame]

It's a good thing trauma does hard knockdowns on crushers and doesn't require Los

[rugged halo]

i hope they bring back curios with like.... +2 or more wounds. that would be nice

[steel flame]

We had those? News to me

[fluid knot]

Dont think so nah

Just +1

An wound stackin is generally a terrible move anyway ofc because loss of survivability to have it, which is a kind of cruel irony

[rugged halo]

apparently it was a very very very rare curio when the game released. and they were patched out. but tis stupid to have +1 wound(s) and not have a +2 wound(s)

[near wyvern]

Training wheels

[fluid knot]

Should'nt really need +wounds after a point tbh

[steel flame]

Well technically they can be more than +1, more like 1.4-1.5 or so where that extra bit means nothing unless you stack wounds

[fluid knot]

Oh interesting, another convoluted FS instance kek

[steel flame]

Ikr

[near wyvern]

You should only use max one +1 wound curio:

• when you enter damnation / heresy for the first times
• when learning to play a high peril build

But as soon as you can switch to health or toughness. One +3 stam is also fine but don't stack more of stam.

[rugged halo]

yea, you dont need them when you play malice and below. but you tell me how important wounds are when you ge to heresy and damnation and you only have 1 - 2 wounds before you just drop

[fluid knot]

I play hi-STG in Damn mate, dont run any wounds

Way past the need for +wounds at this point

[steel flame]

When somebody can convince me that taking a bit more toughness or health is better than insurance against bullshit, then I'll stop running 1 wound relic

[near wyvern]

In damnation you don't really need wounds cause if you go down, it's usually a situation where you cannot be ressed anyways, so the solution is to avoid being downed in the first place.

[near wyvern]

Just stack sniper resist

And you'll be fine

[fluid knot]

90% of Damn+ is learning how to avoid making catastrophic mistakes anyway, after you get used to the enemy density anyway, this whole game relies on minimising obvious mistakes an prioritising the right threats at the right time

Also, kinda hard to get killed when you have as much mobility as Psyker does

[near wyvern]

Infinite dodges reeeeee

[fluid knot]

Even if not using a forcesword tbh, Duelling or Knife both ofc have massive mobility

Knife is actually super fun on Psyker

[near wyvern]

The only thing that gets me is a random ranged mob who went not noticed on behind and got a full volley on me. Thus I just stack toughness to help with that. Melee mobs can't touch me cause Trauma quell cancels are too strong and Deimos is a slippery crab.

[fluid knot]

Shooters are fr the most overall dangerous enemy

[near wyvern]

Yeah but Deimos offensive capabilities are just too good to pass

[fluid knot]

Flamers can suck a long one an all

[near wyvern]

I just give them a quick puff from trauma and they stop flaming and start gathering their gear for a while

[fluid knot]

Yeah they're not all that hard to manage, but the damn CC they push on a team can be uhh.. very inconvinient sometimes, particularly when there are three or four

[bleak tulip]

this is where I miss void the most

being able to deal with them in some way in los is so nice

[rugged halo]

gotta be the worst sword on the market lol

[thorn kestrel]

I trust that sword with my life

[rugged halo]

i doubt its 13% damage could harm a fly

[grizzled iris]

Running 1 wound is fine, but more than that is a yikers

Usually you die to bullshit, and then wounds doesn't matter

[upper galleon]

Wounds are bait

[grizzled iris]

Biggest safety vs bullshit is health, toughness is better if you accept the fact that bullshit will kill you

[whole oxide]

usually if I fully die, it's because i went downed in an un-recoverable situation, not because i ran out of wounds, so wounds are rarely adding any value

[grizzled iris]

Exactly, and those situations we call "bullshit" the only way to stand a chance is to stack health

[gloomy gulch]

when I made this the other blessing was run and gun. So I guess Im making a crit staff. Gotta farm for warp nexus 4. Im assuming I make the other perk flak damage? Crit Damage?

[feral inlet]

is critical bonus the dumpstat for surge staff?

[safe crystal]

Quell is, like on most staves

[upper galleon]

No crit damage

Chang to flak

Crit damage doesn't calculate well

It only increases the bonus damage added from crit, not the entire hit

[gloomy gulch]

well that sucks

[grizzled iris]

Yea, they changed that in vermintide 2, but decided to reroll that change back in Darktide xD

Needing more "Shit stats" so things don't get "Too strong"

[hidden crystal]

Well, the Armoury Exchange browser add-on told me there was a blue Illisi in the store that already had a passable perk (I'd've preferred it to start with +Flak or +Maniac, but I'm happier with +Elites than the +Stamina I've currently got), a Deflector Blessing and not disastrous stats, so Hadron basically couldn't completely ruin it at this stage.

I'd definitely prefer a higher Warp Resistance than 52% (I know some people like to run high peril for more damage, but I kind of like the fact that with my current one I can just chain eight specials in a row), but I suppose we see how it actually plays:

Admittedly, I wouldn't actively choose to run T1 Deflector if I had a choice, but it's one of those Blessings where the tiers really don't seem to matter much.

[willow hazel]

Warp Resist on the Illisi doesn't really matter. The best way to deal with most enemies is just heavy attacking. The special is for getting Slaughterer stacks and elites/specialists.

But you should change +Flak to +Maniac

[hidden crystal]

I looked at the numbers, and - at least at the difficulties I usually play (I'm not a big fan of Damnation) - +Maniac doesn't look like it would help with breakpoints.

Well, maybe it would if my warp charges were low, but I don't think it's generally going to make Ragers or Mutants take fewer charged hits to deal with.

But losing +Flak would make things like Maulers harder.

If I could have both Flak and Maniac, I would, but in a choice between the two, Flak seems to win out.

[fluid knot]

Maulers are much less punishing than Maniac Ragers though

You want the latter in your face much less time than Maulers

[willow hazel]

I normally hit Maulers with specials in the head, which is carapace.

[hidden crystal]

The cases where it looks like it would make a difference at Heresy (which is generally my difficulty at the moment) would either suppose the rager is already pretty heavily wounded, or that my warp charges were low, as two special heavies will kill them, and +25% isn't going to make that only one.

[feral inlet]

im looking for warp nexus on this right? (replacing terrifying barrage)

[bleak tulip]

I mean yeah surge has literally nothing else worth while

maybe focused if youre really into doing true solo I guess?

[hidden crystal]

I don't really like +Carapace, as with Maulers you have the option of hitting them in the body, and with Crushers brain burst generally makes more sense.

[bleak tulip]

I think hitting them in the chest is actually still faster

+carapace is pretty bad

[willow hazel]

I don't run +carapace

[hidden crystal]

Yes, and from what I've seen, hitting Maulers in the chest, at least with +Flak (which is useful against lots of things, including many enemies you'll deal with in large packs) does indeed seem to work better than hitting them in the head.

[bleak tulip]

+flak is the default recommend on every weapon for a reason

fuckin everything

flak btw

you guessed it

and of course

[hidden crystal]

I'm not saying that +Maniac is bad in general, but for my current difficulty and this particular stat roll, it doesn't seem to be necessary to shift the breakpoints.

The +Elites already does a little bit of that against Ragers, at least. (Although not Mutants).

[willow hazel]

The illisi special does more damage to Mauler heads than bodies.

[bleak tulip]

oh does it? I guess I didnt look close enough then fair enough

[willow hazel]

With +Flak they are basically even

[bleak tulip]

even with +flak?

oh

[willow hazel]

w/o

[bleak tulip]

well

I didnt specify that I expect +flak so fair enough

its like slaughterer, if you dont have it aint worth

[hidden crystal]

Admittedly though, my standard solution to both Maulers and Ragers is to push them over and them smack them while they're on the floor.

[willow hazel]

That is probably slower than just two hitting them with specials

[near wyvern]

Yeah, special, dodge back and special again

[willow hazel]

If you heavy special you don't even need to dodge because they will be staggered

[cosmic sigil]

elite resistance with 2 surge and 2 bolter is the way to go

[hidden crystal]

The push has way less time to charge up than a heavy special, so it can stagger them now.

[bleak tulip]

but why stagger them now and delay the damage when I can damage them basically 0.3s from now

[near wyvern]

The trick with ragers is to let them come to your face and dodge only as they start swinging. Once they start attacking they will go through the whole combo before chasing you again.

[hidden crystal]

Partly because it's funny.

[plucky flax]

Maniac on melee weapons is op

Cos muties are dangerous and they take extra melee damage

[primal blade]

ngl the ilissi is great at removing maulers

don't see why it would need any help

though it is true almost every frickin enemy in the game has flak

[lyric burrow]

I always think maulers are carapace at first then remember its only the helmet

[frail ravine]

rate my drip

[spice veldt]

specials are almost always the best solution; against hordes, spam heavy-specials for DPS; against ragers, spam special-lights to chainstagger them; against maulers, spam special-lights/heavies

i prefer to bodyshot maulers most of the time since they're (usually) in groups and you have to avoid hitting their carapace head for your special swing to cleave through

[harsh urchin]

Ye that's just straight wrong lol

You can do whatever you want yourself when you play

But giving out wrong advice to other people is just 💀

[willow hazel]

I don't know how useful that data is without Slaughter.

[spice veldt]

roughly the same proportions, probably because of the peril gen for warp unleashed/unstable power

i don't like posting these results because i didn't control for peril and can't really do that since there's no mod to fix your peril at a certain value

i guess i should've taken warp unleashed/unstable power off

those results are also a few milliseconds shorter than they should be since I didn't have a way of seeing my keypresses at the time

[harsh urchin]

I was able to also figure out similar data not through testing

but through playing the game

[spice veldt]

it is hard to see if you're doing good in the moment

that's how you get people thinking that weapons with higher stagger are doing well

better to not trust yourself at all to judge weapons during games

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i will say for testing a more controlled ideal environment like the one arco set up would be best although both situations have there relevance

[spice veldt]

would having a low amount of ragdoll corpses help with that since the corpses will disappear immediately

hmm

[lyric burrow]

Thats some meta game shit

[plucky flax]

Dayum I got some sick solo poxwalker horde clearing but forgot to make a short clip

Weekend it is

[spice veldt]

my 200iq plan to make everyone use low graphics to get a more accurate evaluation of their weapons

[harsh urchin]

this is true

[willow hazel]

Still skeptical. Not of the numbers vs. stacked poxwalkers, but of it translating to enemies in game.

For example, light combo is much more than 2% slower than at killing a horde than heavy combo. Heavy combo easily holds a horde spawner, but they break through with with light attacks.

[harsh urchin]

but it's not super hard to use special on like a chain weapon and it doesn't kill anything

and then using special on illisi and everything dies

and making your own judgment keke

[spice veldt]

hmm yeah, but the difference is roughly twice faster than the normal combo if you make full use of the cleave so there's some leeway to miss some enemies

and you can also move your camera around to hit some more

[plucky flax]

I use a mixture of light spam and heavy special for horde.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah I was gonna ask if this accounted for camera movement

[spice veldt]

I like to dodge into a horde to be as close to them and to get the maximum surface area

i also tend to get surrounded and either lose all of my hp or die

[lyric burrow]

That checks out

Once you cant move anymore it gets a little awkward

[willow hazel]

push spam hits 360° if that every happens

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i just push dodge my way out

When that happens

So long as i havent already gotten shredded but im also not trying to get surrounded anyway

[harsh urchin]

ye you can do drags and accels from mordhau

in darktide

works especially well on illisi

[lyric burrow]

Esp with how blatant lunging is in this game i hate having enemies anywhere near my back

[harsh urchin]

since the cleave is so high with slaught + special

[lyric burrow]

Yeah any large horizontal sweep is really good with camera movement

Ill do it with devils claw mk 4 too

Cleave limit isnt as insane as illisi obv

But its still good cc

Brutal momentum anything makes good use of it as well

Minus shovel

[spice veldt]

breakpoints can also be a bit nasty; it's possible to one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage if you have enough buffs (slaughterer + unstable power/+horde%/+unarmoured/etc.) which would drastically improve your performance against them, not that it matters against them very much anyways besides killing them a few seconds faster

[lyric burrow]

Im assuming thats just like a normal illisi light

[spice veldt]

oh like the minimum cleave damage

aka one-shotting 26 full hp groaners with the special-heavy

like the damage that you deal to the 8th target and beyond hit in your swing

[lyric burrow]

Ah ok

So the final target

[spice veldt]

basically just styling on them at that point though

[lyric burrow]

I had +infested on my illisi for a while so i was probably doing that actually

Esp since i would have had unstable+slaughterer stacks up

[spice veldt]

yeah with just +infested and unstable, you should be able to one-shot them with the min cleave damage if you're weakspotting

not sure if you can do that with bodyshots

I think you need that extra little bit of damage from +horde to get the one-shot bodyshot breakpoint

[lyric burrow]

You might with WU+WB

[spice veldt]

ooh warp battery

[lyric burrow]

Esp at 6 stacks

[prisma condor]

It exists

[feral inlet]

is there any difference between these two

other than 0.9 blast radius

[spice veldt]

you might feel the charge rate; 1.54 seconds compared to 1.3 seconds at 80% charge rate

[lyric burrow]

Depends on what staff your trying to build

For blazing you want more radius so id go with the left one

Otherwise the right one

[feral inlet]

well im mostly getting support-esque staffs because thats how i play psyker

stay in the back, brainburst important targets and take care of the trash left behind

[plucky flax]

Just spam surge

[lyric burrow]

Not into hordes

[plucky flax]

But it's the best

[lyric burrow]

Dont let mankar see that message

[idle aurora]

is there any difference between 76% and 80% burn on purgatus?

Or its same 15 stacks either way and 0.34 apply rate without invisible changes

[ocean cipher]

76% is the soft cap

[lyric burrow]

I think 76 is at least what you want

[ocean cipher]

how's my psyker lookin

[lyric burrow]

Like the % you aim for

[ocean cipher]

what's the difference between Obscurus and Deimos?

[spice veldt]

Deimos has far better normals

[idle aurora]

From what i saw there is no diff between 76 and 80, atleast game shows same stats for them

[spice veldt]

the light stab is more easily accessible, being your first light and dealing 2x danage

[ocean cipher]

also how important is deflector

[lyric burrow]

Player dependent

[ocean cipher]

also with a charged deimos, what attack do i wanna do

[spice veldt]

only the Deimos has the heavy stab which does 2.5x damage

[lyric burrow]

Tbh just h2 over charge

H2 is strong enough to one shot muties

Its just better special

[ocean cipher]

h2?

[lyric burrow]

Heavy 2

[maiden wolf]

Stabby choppy vs swoosh chop swoosh.

[lyric burrow]

So anything into heavy attack

[spice veldt]

damage-wise, the special is only worth it against flak enemies because of the 200% multiplier; the DPS against anything else isn't worth it and you're usually using it for the stagger

[ocean cipher]

is unstable power III any goood

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[ocean cipher]

or should i just rip it off and slap deflector on

[lyric burrow]

Unstable/slaughterer is the best combo

[ocean cipher]

just blessed up my deimos to be able to put deflector on it and got this instead

yes i know save my mats and all

[lyric burrow]

Slaughterer lets deimos horde clear with lights

[ocean cipher]

ok so if i want deflector then deflector slaughterer?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah id say so

[ocean cipher]

where is ascension riser

i havent seen it in weeks

[lyric burrow]

Also what level are you

[ocean cipher]

like 21

[lyric burrow]

I saw it yesterday i think

Ok just making sure

[ocean cipher]

im not too focused on blesings rn i just went to slap deflector on and got that

[lyric burrow]

Yeah until your level 30 don't worry too much about it

[ocean cipher]

am i correct that this is an explosive collar

[lyric burrow]

Like in lore?

I dont know lore well

[plucky flax]

Yes

[amber abyss]

I think it’s a psi-focusing collar

[ocean cipher]

why am i randomly exploding when guarding

[white sky]

Do you have the feat that blocks with peril?

[ornate hamlet]

Are you doing push attacks?

KD is supposed to stop at 97%

[ocean cipher]

wait do push attacks take peril

[safe crystal]

FS push attacks cost a bit of peril

[upper galleon]

yes

i blew myself up with one cause I swapped to my sword at 100% after BB'ing something and I instinctively block attacked

[ocean cipher]

ooof

also wouldnt quell speed be my dump for trauma staff

[lyric burrow]

I thought it went to stam after hitting the threshold

[upper galleon]

not the block

block attack

[lyric burrow]

Ah so if you push it still uses peril

[upper galleon]

yee

[spice veldt]

I personally treat damage as the dumpstat on trauma because it doesn't scale that much and 60% damage is enough to one-shot all none-elites/specials with warp charges and/or other buffs

[strong gulch]

Block and push do not build peril on force sword.

Push attack does build peril on force sword.

It is easy to accidentally do a push attack while pushing tho.

[bleak tulip]

keep it to extract it

[bleak tulip]

its a different kind of failsafe, its basically to dampen excess warp energy so you dont turn into a daemon when you think too hard

Complete micro-circuitry and neuro-active wiring are connected to the psychically attuned crystals embedded in the psyker's hood or collar, designed to bleed away excess Warp energy.

[fluid knot]

When DH spawn from psyker head explosion FS?

when.

[bleak tulip]

they'll make a penance for it

[fluid knot]

"Kill two teammates with a perils of the warp spawned monstrosity"

[bleak tulip]

lock two pieces of cosmetics behind that one too while youre at it

[fluid knot]

Yeah, the two best bits, ofc

[hidden crystal]

I don't personally really care about the four cosmetics I've currently got locked behind that one for Perils cancelling, but it is silly.

I'm still only at about 10 out of 50 for that, because you should only be doing that very occasionally if you're playing sensibly.

[lyric burrow]

Honestly i just intentionally pushed myself over with illisi and got it in like 3 games

[bleak tulip]

yes and no, you can leverage the extra cast but it certainly doesnt give you good habits to tie a penance to it like this

[hidden crystal]

Once you've got kinetic barrage, using the ult early to get the charge speed and peril resist is just more effective.

[ornate hamlet]

I think the only real usage in doing it frequently is with... ugh, quicken

And even then the player basically runs around with communion and kinetic flayer

But also if the player is using the ult that often, there's either a bigger problem that would be better solved by kinetic barrage, or they just really hate using BB like some people avoid using grenades like the plague

Except the psyker has an infinite grenade

[hidden crystal]

It might have been a more effective tactic at lower levels, or with some other feats, but with my build I have to have messed up to do things that way.

[idle aurora]

Just had a high int damnation with 4 purgatus staffs, my screen now has permanent blue tint

[crystal jolt]

my eyes hurt just thinking about it

[idle aurora]

was really fun, hordes where insta melted

Kinda want to see what 4 traumas would be like

Probably even better, since specials would be knocked down also

[willow hazel]

or worse because the enemys are scattered

[spice veldt]

just bumrush the level and don't bother killing stuff with 4 traumas

I wonder if careful placement can stagger a good portion of ranged patrols at a time

[crystal jolt]

4 surges would be funnier

i ran through a hi int stg with 2 yesterday

me and the other guy had to kill everything

this is no shade on surge, they were particularly bad

surging 6 poxwalkers

[idle aurora]

4 voids, popcorn simulator

[bleak tulip]

classic

talk shit, play shit

[idle aurora]

Also the 25% damage buff stacking on 4 brainbursts is insane, i think only 2 guys used it, and nurgle wormy just got obliterated

[idle aurora]

I think it can kinda work if everyone cycles between stun and melee

Would probably need 2 illisi and 2 deimos, for horde/specials & elites killing

[hidden crystal]

Ah, one of those people who's spending their time typing rather than fighting.

[idle aurora]

Its middle of the battle and somebody got downed? Its typing time, what, 2 crushers are closing in on me? Who cares

[spice veldt]

a vet randomly threw shade at the ogryn at the end of a failed mission

[hidden crystal]

Funnily enough, I've never found slagging off your team mates solves anything.

[idle aurora]

I was like that when i was around 16-18, but the more time i spent in online games, there more i understood that if you get tilted, its better to stfu or curse to yourself and not in chat/mic. Otherwise it's like a chain reaction, you tilt, they tilt, and now everything is ruined

[strong gulch]

I end up with 3 zealots kinda often. Knife with fire trauma wasn't too bad with them running around doing zealot things.

[teal needle]

Yeah playing mobas in my early twenties basically taught me that. If you want to climb to Plat or Diamond or whatever it was best to stay neutral or positive. Games can turn around even if the enemy is snowballing but that's way more rare when someone is being a baby

For that reason i observed games with loudmouths in them just have a lower winrate

It adds up when you're grinding out like 20 hours of game a week to hit rank before the season was over lmao. By the end I would just throw games if someone was being toxic, it happened rarely enough I could afford to without really killing my win rate

... I was still a worse person back when I played mobas though hahaha

[regal jasper]

How would yall go about making a staff irl

I cant get any good reference pictures

Nvm these will work

[idle aurora]

At some point I turned off all chats in overwatch and climbed out of platinum hell i think cs go was the only game where i always used chat, because its extremely important there

[idle aurora]

tbh you can get into stat page, turn off UI and just 360° rotate

[teal needle]

Oh yeah overwatch was big on that too, an even better example because it wasn't nearly as snowbally as a moba. You had until the clock ran out to get your teamwork sorted out

[teal needle]

A broom with a screw-on head and a 3d printer and some very good glue oughta do it honestly

[regal jasper]

Oh damn thats way smart

[vale viper]

There a tier list for Psyker anywhere yet?

[fluid knot]

problem with tier lists is they tend to be pretty subjective

There are things the vast majority agree on ofc, like Trauma being the best all round staff, but playstyles differ wildly and thusly many things become quite arbitrary

[lyric burrow]

yeah aside from the obvious top tier stuff everything else would be subjective

some people might say chainsword is fine some might say its not worth using

same would go for anything not meta mostly

[regal jasper]

Im in s tier everyone else is like b tier

👍

[lofty escarp]

I really love the chainsword but it does suck compared to other melee weapons available

[vale viper]

Tier list is the wrong word then. Optimal list

What blessings excel for whats staves and psy swords. etc.

[harsh urchin]

they're randomly interspersed in this channel if you search

otherwise if you're looking for a specific setup I can just tell you what's BiS

[lyric burrow]

warp flurry/warp nexus is the best for staves 99% of the time

theres some particular builds where you want blazing spirit or something

as for force swords its slaughterer/unstable power or slaughterer/deflector if you struggle with ranged units and want it to help you

[gloomy gulch]

hmm which one

[lyric burrow]

left

blsat radius doesnt really matter much

[gloomy gulch]

or do I use the 3rd fun option

[torpid herald]

siblings i got a question, is warp resistance a good dump stat on a deimos force sword?

[regal jasper]

Warp resistance just means less charge cost yeah?

[safe crystal]

Its the dump stat, you dont want to be using the weapon special on Deimos because L1-H2 exists

[gloomy gulch]

L1-H2?

[lofty escarp]

I think it means light attack first then the second attack is a heavy

[safe crystal]

Yep, light 1 heavy 2

[gloomy gulch]

Ahh I thought it was some controller talk lol

[still pelican]

Find the 3d files in the game somehow, extract them, re-scale and turn into printable portions, then slice and print. Enjoy. Top tip. Print the MINIMUM amount of parts and get creative. From my experience, printing is only a tool, a means to an ends. I'd go about using a broomhandle or stair rail or something for the bulk of the staff and whatever else you can find for as many of the other parts you can. Only print what you HAVE TO.

It would be an interesting project though.

I've seen waaaay too many chainswords and bolters

[obsidian girder]

just hit lvl 30 on my psyker, what cool shit should i grab

[spice veldt]

trauma is one, since it has huge stat scaling and is generally shittier to use at lower ratings

t4 slaughterer is one important blessing for force swords

[regal jasper]

I really like how my payker looks so i want to cosplay him

But im really worried with the jacket

So im going to make the staff first to see if i have any skill at all

If it turns out good then ill make the rest

Im just buying this for a backpack instead of making one

[obsidian girder]

how good is the voidstrike staff vs the trauma? loved the way that thing felt

[leaden pier]

well they perform pretty differently

[spice veldt]

if you're comfortable with the movement, then trauma is going to be better since you can mostly ignore the range disadvantage

trauma has a maximum range of 20m which is appropriate for most situations

Trauma has infinite cleave and really good stagger
Voidstrike has range, suppression, and hordeclear

I don't like voidstrike because it's not great at dealing with elites/specials or even to enable your melee

[restive slate]

If Voidstrike gets Rending though...

[ionic shadow]

for void strike whats the good blessings?

i have quell peril level 4 and warp flurry 3 but i was wondering if increadsed power on the second and thrid salvo 3 was good

[obtuse moth]

No that's not good

The ones you have are good

[ionic shadow]

is there any other way to build it

[obtuse moth]

Or blazing spirit 3 warp Nexus 4

[ionic shadow]

i like quell peril on crit hit and warp flurry

[obtuse moth]

With Crit chance perk

Nexus and surge Cann work too

[obtuse moth]

On weakspot* hit

[autumn smelt]

i need opinions

replacing exorcist with deflector

and melee elite damage with maniac or something

and using kinetic deflection (i normally use kinetic shield)

[ionic shadow]

i have deflector and i feel like i cant even use it to block shots becasue im getting shot befroe i can even tell

[restive slate]

Most use I had with deflector was back when it could block shots while reviving

[spice veldt]

prob don't need block eff since you can mitigate some of the ranged attacks by dodging/sliding

consecrating this trauma made me very sad

[plucky flax]

If surge worked on charged attack it'd be good.

Could have a funky warp nexus surge build.

[void arch]

Low damage anyways

[spice veldt]

i want damage as the dumpstat since it doesn't scale that much and I can hit one-shot breakpoints on all non-elite/special enemies with +unarmoured

[void arch]

That’s the wildest thing I’ve ever read

[spice veldt]

how so?

it's 360 vs 380 damage between 60% and 80% damage

[void arch]

I want damage as the dumpstat is nutty lol

[spice veldt]

it hits the breakpoints for what I use the staff for

and packs of elites don't appear frequently enough for me to care about that extra bit of damage

and trauma has enough delaying power to safely clear them anyways

high quell speed + warp res is preferable so that I only need to quell two ticks when quelling from 100% as a reactionary action

and I do not want to give them up at all

[void arch]

There is simply no way to justify a 58 staff in my eyes

[spice veldt]

maybe I could consider 71% damage for the 2 warp charge breakpoint for two-shotting poxwalkers, but I also always run warp unleashed so I don't need that damage for them

[void arch]

You will need more damage it’s not a dump stat ever

[spice veldt]

on trauma specifically, it is a dump stat for me

you'll miss some breakpoints, but Trauma also has the outer area to finish some enemies off if needed if I'm spamming it even if I don't land the epicentre on them

[void arch]

And that outer area would.. do more damage

[spice veldt]

like what breakpoints are you missing with choosing a 360 dmg staff over a 380 dmg staff

[void arch]

Your missing damage

[spice veldt]

you'd probably require one more charge against certain enemies, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for warp res and quell speed

and how does this missing damage matter if I'm going to hit the relevant breakpoints anyways?

and trauma being the delaying weapon that it is?

[void arch]

I suppose it doesn’t matter to you but I do maximum damage all the time and it matters to the vast majority of players

[spice veldt]

I like to stay in combat against ranged enemies as long as possible so having good quell speed/warp res is more important to me

I don't often use the trauma against elites unless there are >4 beyond my illisi's ability to reliably stagger/cleave them

[void arch]

I like to kill shit, just different play styles lmao

[spice veldt]

I also like to kill shit

but I doubt you're missing that much with 20 less damage from 380 to 360

you're arguing with a lot of conviction but I hope you have the specific breakpoints on specific enemies to ground it

[void arch]

Overkill damage is fine, won’t always be 1 shotting anyways like I said maximum damage. Utility is dump over damage always it’s that simple for me

[spice veldt]

warp res/quell speed also translates into damage in a different way

the difference between 60% quell speed and 80% quell speed when quelling from 100% peril is a difference of 0.5 seconds (two ticks); it takes 2.75 seconds to quell from 100% to 0% with 60% quell speed; 2.25 seconds with 80% quell speed

warp res is important for warp flurry if you're running that, which I do

[void arch]

Cool. It’s less damage

[spice veldt]

assuming that you have high warp res, you can get 4 casts w/o warp flurry; each cast at 80% charge rate takes 1.9 seconds (1.3 seconds for the channel, 0.6 seconds for the downtime without quell cancelling), which is 7.6 seconds for the entire process of casting;
so with 80% quell speed, that's 9.85 seconds for the entire process of capping your peril from 0% to 100% and then quelling fully
with 60% quell speed, that's 10.35 seconds for the entire process.
10.35/9.85 = 1.05x

the ratio 380/360 = 1.0555...

so damage does has a mild improvement over damage, but quelling has the benefit of being more reactionary if you ever need to quell in tight situation

if you're looking at damage per cast, then sure less of a damage stat is less, but you have to also consider the fire rate and all that stuff

[void arch]

I’m going to be honest I won’t read all that but it’s still less damage

[spice veldt]

so it boils down to whether I hit breakpoints or not which can prove to be a drastic DPS loss if you don't hit them

that's fine

but I'm sure other people will if they are to read this conversation and care about whether damage or warp res/quell speed is better

[void arch]

I don’t think many people will agree that damage is a dump stat

[spice veldt]

sure they might not agree, but I think I've laid my argument well and there's really only a 0.5% difference between 80% damage/60% quell speed and 60% damage/80% quell speed

[modern cradle]

I understood like half at best and your point doesn't seem that far off I think

[spice veldt]

if you need that extra damage such as the 71% breakpoint to one-shot poxwalkers with 2 warp charges, then that's fine

but you haven't laid out any breakpoints of concern

and I myself don't care too much about killing ragers/maulers/crushers with one less trauma blast

[void arch]

I and many others do

[whole oxide]

if you're using Flurry on Trauma, being able to keep blasting for longer is better than having 5% more damage, it's why Inner Tranq is used on it

like, the damage-boost that full Flurry stacks provides is effectively +100% damage, you want to keep that going as long as possible, it makes other more obvious damage boosts insignificant

[plucky flax]

The damage difference might be just 20 but there's a lot of feats and buffs to increase damage. So that 20 difference can grow to a lot more.

I also like as high damage as I can get even though I use blaze trauma.

[whole oxide]

unless you're finding a +100% damage boost somewhere, warp-resist is still superior for flurry

I'm not sure i'd call damage a dump-stat exactly, but, there's more to damage output than having a big damage number

[plucky flax]

Oh I use blaze trauma so no flurry. It's nexus and blazing spirit for me.

[whole oxide]

even then, you'd want 80 blast-radius and 80 warp-resist more than you need 80 damage

and you'd want 80 charge-rate more than damage

[plucky flax]

I do full charge blast so I like charge rate

[cosmic sigil]

damage is overrated

[near wyvern]

You don't do anything with warp resist on a blue fire trauma. You quell cancel anyways, having a bit higher quell speed is much better for it than warp resist.

You want to get to high peril and fast.

Blast radius and charge rate are the most important stats for it. Warp resist is the dump stat and everything else is a nice bonus. Nexus 4 is a must as well as +5% crit chance perk.

[plucky flax]

Another decent base. Hopefully hadron won't fuck it with bad blessings

[feral inlet]

does trauma have inf cleave or just very high

[spice veldt]

infinite

is very nice

[digital loom]

it has a huge blast too

i run a blaze trauma

the feats setup for it makes me lose bb damage but it's powerful in horde packed situations

[plucky flax]

Wildfire ascendant blaze

[granite halo]

What feats do you run with blaze trauma?

[plucky flax]

I run 311122

Illisi blaze trauma

[granite halo]

How have you liked it? I feel like it underperforms vs warp flurry brittleness

[plucky flax]

Hrm.. I never really tried warp flurry rending. But it does well for me if I solo queue. Its a very good overall build that can conver all bases, and extremely strong against big horde. The bigger the stronger.

You can press f then switch to sword and melee to get 5 stacks slaughterer to make the burn stronger.

Full charge trauma is decent against crushers too. Purg is better horde clear but it doesn't do too much against crushers.

[restive slate]

On the Illisi, Unstable Power or Executor?

[plucky flax]

For me deflector slaughterer always on all force swords.

I actually want to find a shred 4 blazing spirit 4 illisi for the meme though.

But no slaughterer means less cleave which would suck for horde clear.

[restive slate]

I have Shred Blaze Illisi... really underwhelming

[maiden knoll]

Have one, it's really just meme

[plucky flax]

If I was to not run deflector on illisi though I think I'd go with either uncanny or shred rather than unstable power.

[grizzled iris]

Uncanny stinks on illisi, shred is pointless because all enemies you'd want to use it on would take too long to stack up, unstable power is just the better option most of the time.

If you don't like unstable, you could go bloodthirsty. Not the best, but at least it is more useful than the other 2 options.

[plucky flax]

Shred works on horde and crit increases cleave so better horde clear.

Bloodthirsty is good though.

[grizzled iris]

Yea, you're right. My Illisi with 16 hm cleave needs more cleave, I'll make sure to write that down

Is it the same for my Heavy Sword with 23 hm cleave? Do I need Savage Sweep or BM instead of Rampage?

[plucky flax]

Your illisi has 16 hitmass cleave on light attack?

[grizzled iris]

Oh, you spam lights? xD

[plucky flax]

Yeah dependant on situation.

I use a lot of light spam.

[grizzled iris]

Ah ah, forgive me. Ignore everything I just said 😆

[plucky flax]

Alas it's the life of deflector slaughterer for me.

[grizzled iris]

Aye, I get you x'D

[supple sable]

Siblings, what are your opinions on the duelling swords?

I find them to be quite elegant, and you look bloody swagger while wielding them

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-obiwankenobi-obi-gif-19677892

[grizzled iris]

Duelling sword are dull, low damage weapons. They do excell at movement however. I find it okay to use in low int games due to the lower amount of enemies xD

[supple sable]

for sure, I mainly use the zappy staff and switch to duelling sword for getting around bit quicker or quick dodge

[grizzled iris]

@spice veldt

[plucky flax]

Ah yes surge everything. That's good man.

[supple sable]

🙂

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[supple sable]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VD3TwFgPgZE?feature=share

[mossy surge]

[gloomy gulch]

None of the dueling swords are good for horde clear right?

[broken carbon]

none of the dueling swords are good

[gloomy gulch]

lol

I just want to try one and havent so

I guess Ill keep my hello fellow vets build on my psyker with a rashad and a revolver

[plucky flax]

Me when I play surge and blow up

[near wyvern]

Deimos is. It's the best one of the Duelling swords.

[white sky]

Deimos is a Force Sword tho

[near wyvern]

Yes, but also the best of the Duelling swords.

[gloomy gulch]

lel

[near wyvern]

It has similar mobility and similar cone of attacks, but just does everything better.

And infinite dodges.

[gloomy gulch]

but the dueling swords have the swag 😄

[white sky]

It's Saltz Rapier to me, which is why I like it

[near wyvern]

Deimos is like a rapier on steroids

Look at that mutie go

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?start=35

[gloomy gulch]

I do like stabbing the mutants

I was just seeing if I could run dueling sword revolver and not be a waste of a teamate but I need the horde clear and the rashad is pretty op for that

bm4 and decimator 4 on my rashad so its pretty great

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword and a revolver, can only work if it's STG, you go wrack and ruin, there are no veterans in the team and you have a couple Ogryns for CC

Revolver is still very underwhelming on a psyker

And same goes for duelling swords

[gloomy gulch]

I dunno man I have been having some decent results on Hi damnation with the revolver and the rashad

[near wyvern]

Even push spamming the kinfe is more effective and safe than a duelling sword

Yes because you have rashad

[gloomy gulch]

ol

lol

[near wyvern]

Can't go wrong with that axe

[gloomy gulch]

dude it is so good

on every class

[near wyvern]

I know

[gloomy gulch]

at this point just give it to the ogryn

[near wyvern]

Although on zealot I run the antax because the zealot faster melee speed throws me off otherwise

[plucky flax]

Me on my zealot enjoy antax without bm

Rashad finesse doesn't increase light attack speed.

[gloomy gulch]

what are you using headtaker and decimator?

[plucky flax]

Yeah for big damage.

[gloomy gulch]

great combo as well

[plucky flax]

It's meme but super strong against assassination bosses.

[near wyvern]

Rashad still has faster swing speed than antax

[plucky flax]

75% power

[gloomy gulch]

😄

[near gale]

Yes it does, I learned that the hard way when I redid my Vet

[plucky flax]

Heavies for sure. Light I am not.

[gloomy gulch]

UNLIMITED POWER

[near gale]

Do a rashad with less than 36% finesse on a Vet

I thought my fps was tanking it was so slow

[granite halo]

How is revolver on psyker?

[near wyvern]

Still meh

The reload is painful

[plucky flax]

Hrm maybe that's cos its so low. But between a 70~ finesse rashad and antax I don't see a noticeable attack speed increase.

[gloomy gulch]

tbh I think it is a lot of fun

it also can cleave through hordes like crazy now

[white sky]

Rashad is a frame or two faster iirc

[gloomy gulch]

if you get a spot where a bunch of horde trash jump into the same spot you can kill like 100 with one bullet

[near gale]

The default animation speed is slower for the rashad lights, the heavies are faster

[near wyvern]

You can do the same easier with a trauma

[gloomy gulch]

yeah but you do a cool gun spin

when you pull it out

[granite halo]

Yeah why would you run revolver on psyker in particular

[gloomy gulch]

for fun

[near wyvern]

The same reason you would run a recon lasgun

Just because you can, not because it's optimal

[white sky]

For fun and almost no other reason

[granite halo]

At least recon las works great with flayer

[white sky]

I just want that thing to be good man

[near wyvern]

Recon is still just the weaker shredder, the blessings are trash

[near gale]

Recon was good until they nerfed the stacks on um... the fire blessing

[near wyvern]

Yes

[near gale]

A long time ago

[white sky]

Tbf infernus was busted to hell

[near wyvern]

I remember when Psykers had shotguns

Still waiting

[white sky]

You'd delete a boss faster then a PF4 bolter will now

[granite halo]

Wish they buffed infernus a bit more that sounds so much fun

[plucky flax]

Yeah infernus 4 is okay but not that strong. Should be more burn stacks.

[steel flame]

Well they should have just nerfed the flamer burn and left infernus burn alone

[lyric burrow]

Yeah idk why they insisted on nerfing burn overall when it was just how hard the stacks on flamer built

[crude cape]

So....

ive been swapping between stacking HP vs toughness

some of the better players here swear by toughness

but i swear i die less with HP stacking

is it a git gud issue?

(talking damnation+ minimum, usually only log in to play High Int Sock Troop)(

[lyric burrow]

It depends on where you struggle most

If your not getting hit in melee, ill take toughness for shooters/to preserve my hp

If your getting clipped in melee id go health

[thorn cedar]

toughness only does two things:
fully soaks ranged damage until broken
mitigates melee health damage by % value of bar, also until broken

[lyric burrow]

Im also just a toughness stan

[thorn cedar]

if you are already more than capable of reacting to incoming ranged/melee damage and regenerating your toughness to full before the next hit of damage, then more toughness is not doing anything for you

and since toughness regenerates in flat %'s, you are always recovering it at the same rate (albeit not at the same strict amount)

but honestly, do whatever feels comfortable

if you want/need the extra toughness to soak some bullets, then do that. if you are mostly taking occasional chip damage from melee then health is what will keep you going longer

if you're an untouchable god monster then run stamina only and dunk on people

[crude cape]

ya i think melee is wherer i take most of my chip dmg

but being lit up by gunners is always a thing too

i tend to use my ult to stagger and get out of the way

and a lot of my force swords have deflector too

although ive been uysing a slaught/unstable illy recently

[plucky flax]

I am not as good as them but full hp stacking works for me.

[harsh urchin]

How are you getting hit

Are you getting hit while trading

Or just poor melee

Cuz having weak melee game can be fixed