psyker-class

[meager plinth]

I want to have fun with those

[spice veldt]

duelling swords and force swords having uppercuts in their light combo is a pet peeve of mines

[meager plinth]

it makes no sense for finess weapons

its a flat decrease in damage since it benefits less from crit and weakpoint

[spice veldt]

duelling swords having a better crit chance would be a step towards carving out a niche unless they decide to give them a damage makeover

though i guess that would overlap with the knife

[meager plinth]

they could buff crit chance, boost their finess a bit further and make the blessings like riposte and precognition better

[ornate hamlet]

I think that, at a bare minimum, if you push its damage with uncanny strike, rampage and infested damage, it should one-hit poxwalkers on the head

It can't even do that

It also has lower base damage than the illisi, lower finesse multipliers than the illisi and a lower heavy finesse multiplier than its own light, which illisi doesn't have and has both at the same absurd value

So its modifiers are inherently worse, what about the rest?

It has a fixed cleave value that cannot cleave 3 poxwalkers reliably to activate rampage, needing a push attack and being extremely unintuitive because of it

The multipliers for unyielding are also better on the illisi, maniac is offset by the special attack and the dueling sword special attack has little to no purpose

Oh yeah, and it doesn't have slaughterer or any other power blessings to increase its cleave

By all accounts it's a dog shit weapon even among other competitors like the devil's claw, which is just a really mid weapon due to what else we got

It also comes to the whole shtick about underperforming and overperforming

I think it's a case of both in the comparison, where the illisi is too good and the dueling sword is too bad

[ornate hamlet]

Darktide Psyker Origin Story.

[strong gulch]

If you really want something different. You could try illisi blessings Shred and Blazing Spirit and feats Warp Absorption and Wildfire.

Is it really strong and meta? No. Is it different and satifying in its own way? Maybe.

[lyric burrow]

Hey ill always take new stuff

[snow coral]

wow surge is a lot harder to play than void

[cosmic sigil]

somone has tried the iag mk1 on a psyker?

or the vraks3?

[burnt maple]

Vraks 3 is good, if you can aim well. If you're mostly getting body shots, it's only Okay

[wet jacinth]

iag mk1 iirc is the hardest hitting variant.

[strong gulch]

Surge requires more head swivels and has more blow up potential for sure.

[cosmic sigil]

i use the vraks 3 on the vet and zealot, so that's ok i think, i'm used to the burst

i wanted to try something different

[burnt maple]

Psyker would benefit from feats that specifically work for guns

the popular psyker guns are the autopistol and the revolver now, i'm sure others work

[cosmic sigil]

I use both of them (well, I take the shredder to hiSG, never tried it with the revolver)

But I was wondering what kind of bp I could reach with unleashed, battery and kinetic presence

[robust sierra]

what level 20 talent is the best?

[ornate hamlet]

Which line is that again?

[robust sierra]

kinetic deflection, kinetic shield, mind in motion

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic deflection is absolutely fucking goated

[robust sierra]

yeah?

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic shield is the alternative for people who don't really do funny block shenanigans, and contrary to what the description says, it's a blanket reduction to the toughness damage because Fatshark for some reason coded melee and ranged attacks to not have any difference in those feats

It's also what makes unwavering focus on the vet so fucking busted

It says 75% ranged, but in fact it's 75% melee and ranged

So the vet presses the button and can eat 4 times more toughness damage from melee

[robust sierra]

vet?

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic shield puts your toughness better than a base zealot's, but slightly worse than benediction zealots

Yep

They have a feat like kinetic shield too

[robust sierra]

ah I see

[ornate hamlet]

It activates when they pop volley fire

[robust sierra]

unwavering

got it

i didnt catch that part

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker's is peril-based, so it's really sweet for melee spam with illisi's special

[robust sierra]

anyways I was inclined to pick mind in motion because I like to go fast but I see how a flat stamina block increase could be good

but idk I feel like my peril would get too high

[ornate hamlet]

The lack of mind in motion is something you just get used to

[safe crystal]

You can quell while sliding, so MiM is worse than it looks

[cosmic sigil]

Deflection + deflector is so busted my god

[robust sierra]

initially, I'll run kinetic deflection

[robust sierra]

I have yet to use it

I just leveled up to 20

I just think it sounds good in theory

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic deflection also makes psyker the funny boss tank and team reviver

[robust sierra]

I see

[robust sierra]

so wait, if my peril is high, why would I keep spamming the illisi?

I should quell, no?

[ornate hamlet]

Ogryn is built for it, psyker is just that one mage guy that can nearly outlast a wall of pure muscle

Well, you can wait until you're below 97% and do a special again to hit 100

[robust sierra]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

They turbobuffed passive quelling in a patch and it's been really good since

[strong gulch]

Depends on play style for higher peril game play. There are feats that dovetail with higher peril like innter tranquility, psykinetic's wrath, and your own peril management. Can't remember blessings off hand.

[cosmic sigil]

I did a hi intensity where I blocked like 68 attacks with deflection... Spamming push and rezing people...

[robust sierra]

ok so kinetic deflection is good because it basically allows me to take a lot more blocks at the expense of minor peril increase. I know this is a stupid question, but what purpose is there to keep my peril higher? I've seen people talk about it a lot

[cosmic sigil]

I almost blew myself while pushing

[safe crystal]

Warp unleashed on second row, DR on high peril on 4th row, unstable power on force swords, warp nexus on staves

[robust sierra]

DR?

[safe crystal]

Damage reduction*

[robust sierra]

also I'm not quite fully leveled on my psyker so I have yet to get blessings

[robust sierra]

right

[strong gulch]

There's also higher peril with psykinetic's wrath, cerebral lacerations, and kinetic barrage for faster head pops that deal more damage and debuff unyielding.

[robust sierra]

here is my current build

I don't have anything else

so is warp unleashed better than wrack and ruin?

[ornate hamlet]

Warp unleashed has a minimum of 10% damage at 0% peril

It's basically free damage

[safe crystal]

Its at least a 10% damage increase on ALL damage, including brain burst

[cosmic sigil]

To all weapons

[strong gulch]

Do what feels good, but also what works in lower teir doesn't nessicarily scale up well with increased difficulty.

[robust sierra]

I see

[robust sierra]

oh yeah I fully get that

[ornate hamlet]

You'll notice that psyker is filled with little things like that

[safe crystal]

You cant normally one brainburst ragers on damnation for example. Warp unleashed lets you do that if you start your cast at 40% peril or higher

[ornate hamlet]

There's that thing that is actually decent, but then there's something even better on the same choice

[robust sierra]

so i could get flat damage increse with warp unleashed, but is soulblaze not worth it?

[ornate hamlet]

Wrack and ruin is nice, but warp unleashed is vastly more useful

[safe crystal]

Soulblaze with low stacks does very low damage

[cosmic sigil]

It will be better later

[robust sierra]

so my goal should be to keep at least some peril there with warp unleashed?

[safe crystal]

Low stacks being anything below 6

[robust sierra]

alright so I'll replace it

thanks

[ornate hamlet]

Eh, don't really stress with peril micromanaging

[robust sierra]

my level 5 and 15 talents look good?

[robust sierra]

yeah I'll just play normally lol

[safe crystal]

1st talent is considered "worst", but they're all decent

[ornate hamlet]

You can play at 0% just fine, and if you want to hit 100% you just grab the illisi and spam the special, or grab a staff that doesn't use flurry and just quell each time you use the secondary and hit 100%

[safe crystal]

Quietitude is what most people use since you can get it whenever you need it

[robust sierra]

I see

[strong gulch]

Build can vary wildly tbh.

I don't personally Wrack and ruin because you have to get the kill for the fire, and that specific fire source is not worth it on it's own. Elite kills can and will be "taken" from you often.

[ornate hamlet]

Quietitude with the illisi is fucking goated

[robust sierra]

yeah, I got rid of wrack and ruin

[safe crystal]

The reason its considered "worst" is because its a win-more type of a perk

[robust sierra]

side question, I'm quite liking the illisi but I'm using the trauma staff, is that fine or should I use the deimos because it's better for single targets?

I like it's cleave

[safe crystal]

You're already winning, it just makes you win even more

[robust sierra]

what do you run? quietitude?

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi is fine on single-target and you also got the brain burst to cover it

[robust sierra]

right

[ornate hamlet]

Also you can stagger multiple ragers with the illisi special, which is, I stress, goated

[safe crystal]

Quietitude, i ran essence harvest for a long time, but changed after they buffed quell

[robust sierra]

so i can sacrifice the deimos' high second stab damage for the illisi's cleave and versatility

[cosmic sigil]

Welll I use it quite a lot with illisi spamming...

[robust sierra]

right

thanks

ok, I think my build is mostly set then

might as well ask now before I level up, but what 25 and 30 talents do you guys think are the best?

I don't have them yet but I'll remember

[safe crystal]

Flayer or battery are the go-to

Flayer if you want to manage your warp charges a bit less

Battery if you're fine with managing them

[robust sierra]

yeah I've kind of been sleeping on managing them

[strong gulch]

Quietude is the most adaptable for sure.

Been liking Warp Absorption with illisi for more melee sturdiness.

[robust sierra]

is the strat to just brainburst any random jobber you see if nothing else is around to keep warp charges high?

[safe crystal]

Every 50 seconds, just before you lose a 2nd stack

But more or less yes

[robust sierra]

right

and as for level 30?

[strong gulch]

Some builds are more stack dependent than others, but there are passive ways to get them too.

[safe crystal]

For 30, kinetic barrage is the most straightforward and doesnt nuke your warp charge stacks on use

But they're all good

[robust sierra]

alright cheers

thanks for the help

back to brainbursting

[cosmic sigil]

I run quietude with exorcist Illisi or a staff

But yeah. WA all the way now.

[strong gulch]

Kinetic Barrage is generally my go to.

Agree that they all work well depending. Real helpful I know.

[robust sierra]

by the time I reach trust level 30 on my psyker I'll probably be back asking what blessings to use on my sword and staffs

lol

[strong gulch]

Probably lol.

[safe crystal]

If you want more info on a lot of the more obscure mechanics of psyker, Pygex has made an excellent guide you can find in the pins, the Atheneum

[strong gulch]

There's a lot of ways to play and build.

Ryken xiv on youtube also has some helpful content.

Going to look into Pygex.

[ornate hamlet]

My rule for level 30 is

I depend on warp charges to hit BB breakpoints

I cannot adjust BB damage in any way outside of feats

Two level 30 feats remove my warp charges and nuke my BB's damage

[west nacelle]

magic missile for psykers grenade when

[burnt maple]

i'd be nice if Illisi could get the Thrust blessing

[strong gulch]

Wish the block on force swords didn't impact visibility so badly. I'd get it if deflector didn't require a blessing.

Force swords are already strong, so idk about making deflector built in; but let me see while blocking.

[meager plinth]

There’s a mod which can remove the vfx from force block

[burnt maple]

the vfx is pretty annoying and blinding

[strong gulch]

Love mods that address things, but dang it that feature should just be there.

[burnt maple]

yup

[meager plinth]

100%

I’m slowly waiting for updates that make me remove stuff from my modlist

[burnt maple]

there's even a stock setting that lets you tone down the peril warp effects

so...????

[strong gulch]

Right. It took awhile to get, but I don't see why it (force sword block visual adjustment) is not in the game.

I don't know anything about code or what not. So idk.

[frozen lance]

hey, non-psyker player here, what the hell are the little breezy things you guys sometimes have on you for?

[meager plinth]

warp charges

its a active damage buff

[frozen lance]

for you or in coheason?

[meager plinth]

basically when we head-pop some baddies we do more damage

us only

[frozen lance]

wow, fatshark must hate psykers to make that your thing

good luck!

[strong gulch]

Head-pop kills. That's why so many of us cry about it.

[meager plinth]

oh if you think that they hate psyker you should of seen psyker at launch

nerfs after nerfs

[strong gulch]

Peril on block was a lot.

[strong gulch]

Oh wait, it was on push. Peril on push was a lot.

[broken carbon]

oh my hoodness

[meager plinth]

That is beautiful

[broken carbon]

i wish it was one power higher

then itd be my first 550

but

im happy with that

[chrome arch]

Well done Sibling, such beautiful colours!

[broken carbon]

now to roll a purgatus staff to match it

any recommendations for flame staff blessings

i dont use it too much

[cold hornet]

curious about why you'd run Uncanny of the Deimos, is the h2 and special hits not enough to run through armoured enemies?

[broken carbon]

it is, but uncanny has a neat interaction with the special because each tick of damage counts as a hit

so it builds 4 stacks of uncanny strike on one special

[cold hornet]

oh right, completely forgot about that

[broken carbon]

so you can really melt crushers

yeah

though it isnt really necessary and im probably gonna be swapping it to and from deflector

[strong gulch]

Not the most damage focused, but I've been liking Terrifying Barrage and Warp Flurry for more CC and faster fire.

[plucky flax]

How much damage does a special heavy 1 headshot with uncanny do?

No peril no warp charge for consistency

[broken carbon]

i literally just closed my game lmfao

one minute and ill telly ou

[plucky flax]

My deimos without uncanny but with + carapace can 2 special heavy headshots a crusher. It does just about 50% damage each.

With uncanny however no carapace I'm curious to see.

[spice veldt]

rending doesn't affect the damage of the obscurus/deimos specials

since they deal >100% damage to all armour types (200% to flak and 100% to everything else)

[plucky flax]

Oh rip

I suppose the play with uncanny is special heavy then light heavy follow up.

[broken carbon]

yup

1044 with uncanny

but you can finish them off with just a light and a heavy

[plucky flax]

My deimos without + flak can 1 shot heavy special all flak elites.

I know people prefer light heavy but I'm noob so I just special heavy.

[broken carbon]

lmfao

light heavy combo is very nice to learn

[plucky flax]

I am illisi force sword user.

[broken carbon]

the illisi is very fun

i was using it before i rolled this deimos

[clear ginkgo]

im still just tryna understand everything lmao

[plucky flax]

I use deimos only when I run purgatus

[young ridge]

Oh please, it all makes perfect sense! You use the not sharp stick to get the space magic that's kinda nice sometimes, but not other times. You use the sharp stick for using the same space magic but it's different. You do this everytime, except for when you don't. And sometimes you do the magic but don't do the stick. Simple as. Also you will suddenly explode sometimes but that's just the economy these days.

[restive slate]

Capitalism makes Psykers explode, got it!

[light quail]

the immense power of the immaterium hath attuned your soul to the beating heart of the financial system

[fading galleon]

my ogryn brain finally understands psyker play now.

[silver oar]

did they remove that annoying visual effect on the surge staff yet

[shadow onyx]

poll : which force sword you use mainly and which blessings ?

for science

[meager plinth]

^ @shadow onyx

[shadow onyx]

ty

which blessing tho ?

[meager plinth]

beside unstable and slaughterer thats a good question

[shadow onyx]

i 'm pretty sure its the meta

i think most of main psy play that but i guess some play slaughterer /deflector too

i guess its 40/60

40 with deflector

60% unstable

some niche like me use slaughterer + crit

[young ridge]

You are welcome, my friend

[young ridge]

Deimos + deflector + whatever looks good, prob slaughterer

I feel like deflector is underrated by many players. The argument "just learn how to deal with shooters" and all that. I find it incredibly useful to be able to create a short term barricade for yourself and your team when you need to revive or push through a corridor.

[meager plinth]

barricade?

[shadow onyx]

i dont like deflector just because it was nerfed and not as powerful it used to be

but otherwise its very nice alternative

[lyric burrow]

Yeah deflector is what id use if i didnt run slaughterer unstable

[plucky flax]

Illisi deflector slaughterer

[shadow onyx]

[plucky flax]

Deflector increases its value massively when you gotta clutch to save a run.

[cyan portal]

I've been running uncanny on my deimos, very handy with purga to kill crusher packs

[blissful ore]

I think deflector is kind of ass I stopped running it for shred/executor depending on the weapon

[hidden crystal]

The utility of deflector depends somewhat on the rest of your build.

[lyric burrow]

Does uncanny really do anything on illisi

Id imagine nothing great

Ik it can do work for deimos

[blissful ore]

Nothing worth rolling for imo

[meager plinth]

Uncanny lets you damage crushers through carapace

but thats it

[lyric burrow]

Are you running this on illisi

[blissful ore]

Yes

Slaughter/shred usually

Executor is good too but works better on demios

[lyric burrow]

Yeah ik executor is a bit finicky

[hidden crystal]

As someone who mostly runs an MG12 (or sometimes Vraks VII)/Illisi gunpsyker, I'm generally specced for either mid-long range, or up-close, and having deflector as portable cover for the mid ground helps a bit.

(Not that either of those guns are terrible at short range, but it's not their strength).

[lyric burrow]

Hey im thinking about running vraks 7 too

[blissful ore]

It would be cool if psyker had some sort of inherent stability buff or something

[meager plinth]

why stability?

[blissful ore]

Just a neat way to have using guns be more viable without taking away the ability for them to add a gun psyker class in the future

[lyric burrow]

Makes using stuff like columnus mk 5 better on not vet

I do think psyker is already pretty insane

[blissful ore]

All my best mission drops on psyker are guns I'll probably never use

[hidden crystal]

Vraks VII is decent at lower difficulties (great flak armour damage, but it helps to have +unarmoured to hit breakpoints on certain dregs - however, reasonable rate of fire that keeps it viable versus hordes, where the MG12 struggles), but it's got poor maniac damage that holds it back a lot at higher difficulties.

[lyric burrow]

I love it on vet

But pysker is not vet

[hidden crystal]

So, which is better depends partially on difficulty, and which melee choice you have.

With an Illisi for hordes, the MG12's main weakness (other than carapace, but that's what brain burst is for) is largely abated.

[lyric burrow]

I do run damnation exclusively

For difficulty

I would probably use illisi admittedly

Seems like the best pairing id imagine

[inland sand]

Having brain burst and kinetic barrage in the back pocket opens up a lot of patker builds

Psyker*

[mild lotus]

To think at some point the antax axe was the meta melee for psyker and people used to be okay with being a stun and push attack bot while playing a space wizard character...

[hidden crystal]

At damnation, I'd stick with the MG12 over the VII, unless at some point they buff the VII's maniac damage.

[inland sand]

Eh, I used it with surge and it was fine back then

Hell I used og force sword with the fire staff at damnation and that was fine as well

The QoL changes the psyker got in that one patch is really what brought it into the light

For a lot of people anyway

[mild lotus]

If the space wizard is good only as a spam bot and with a regular axe of which they use only one of the move 80% of the time then there's no point in having a space wizard at all

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, having the brain burst there helps quite a lot.

[mild lotus]

I'm happy it's no longer the case now

[hidden crystal]

It does theoretically mean you've always got a formidable long range option. Although part of the reason I usually run some kind of DMR is because of how often I seem to end up in teams where the ogryn's got a shotgun, the zealot a flamer, and veteran an autopistol.

And none of the staves are great for range, and there's only so fast you can pop heads with magic.

[mild lotus]

Laspistol or revolver

For the drip

Did they allow shotguns back for psykers?

[hidden crystal]

Oh yeah, kickback ogryn/flamer zealot/shotgun zealot was a combo I encountered yesterday.

And, while they were a fun team, they did have a habit of shooting at things outside their effective range.

So ammo quickly became a problem.

[ornate hamlet]

no shotgun psykers yet

[hidden crystal]

I'd got an MG12 - my damage goes up at range (and with warp charges and warp unleashed, enjoys a consistent buff), but I often didn't have much ammo to capitalise on that.

[ornate hamlet]

fatshark doesn't want you using a shotgun as a shotgun

[mild lotus]

It's joever...

[hidden crystal]

Being able to have a semi-permanent 34% damage buff from 6 warp charges and warp unleashed - regardless of range, hit location or your ult - actually makes gunpsykers a decently viable long range build.

Admittedly, without the same toughness bonuses vets get, but then we get to block bullets.

[near gale]

Do you guys have any tips I could give to a player who just started ~3 days ago and chose psyker as their first class?

They are struggling, I think, with knowing when to quell, when to use their staff, and when to melee

[meager plinth]

do they have preferences for their loadouts?

[near gale]

I don't think so, yet. I kind of strongly suggested that they use the deimos since they can't use the illisi yet

I think that they were using the trauma staff, last night

[meager plinth]

the Illisi trivalizes every melee situation

[near gale]

They aren't a high enough level

[meager plinth]

trauma struggles a lot until you get a good roll, I dont recommend that one since the early scaling is horrible

what level are they rn?

theres 2 main builds Id recommend rn

[near gale]

11 or 12, I can't remember

[meager plinth]

if they want staves, the purgatus is the best one for early game, since damage isnt tied to the weapon itself

[near gale]

I made the mistake of leveling my Ogryn a 2nd time

[meager plinth]

otherwise the MkXII Kantrael lasgun is perfect since it lets you deal high damage without being an ammo drain for your team

[near gale]

Not having the gorgon sucks

I just got that last night after they turned in for the night

[near gale]

So purgatus and kantrael 12 for easier stronger options?

[meager plinth]

for early game yea

what are they struggling with the most?

[near gale]

I would suggest autopistol, but, they don't have pinning fire t3 or t4.

[meager plinth]

nah, autopistol isnt good for learning

it trivalizes enemies and it will make them dependant on it

they will struggle in other situations without it if they dont learn how to deal with em

like rager groups

[near gale]

It also is harder to use, I think, at first

[meager plinth]

shredder??

no its basically ez mode

[near gale]

I never really learned this, I am just winging it a lot of the time

[meager plinth]

that means that you did learn

[near gale]

Just poorly

[mild lotus]

Shredder is hidden op since launch

[near gale]

Most of the time: switch to ranged and murder the rager

Or use the special on melee weapons to stagger them

[near gale]

It took me a bit to get a feel for it, at first

[meager plinth]

it has high mobility, high damage and tons of ammo

[near gale]

I am not a very aggressive player

It does help me to be more aggressive

Vermintide 2 kind of taught me to be somewhat defensive since everything was so lethal

[bronze ice]

so whats the psykers role

[ornate hamlet]

Clutch

[bronze ice]

lmao thats what ive gathered so far

[ornate hamlet]

He waits until the team is dead so he can show what 3 weapons and infinite block can do

[bronze ice]

so do the different force swords have different attacks

or like

why r there different versions of the force sword

wait

infinite block?

wut

what is this awesomeness of which u speak

[ornate hamlet]

Different marks have different movesets and force swords also get different specials

[bronze ice]

ohhh

thanq

[cloud star]

There's a feat that makes blocks add peril instead of draining stamina - until you reach critical peril, then you use stam. Since kills have a chance to reduce peril, you can block a disgusting amount without really ever having to wait for your stam to regen.

And force swords have infinite dodges, which pairs nicely with the above.

[near gale]

Personally I have been preferring the ranged damage reduction from peril feat, myself, but... being able to block a bunch more does feel amazing

[steel flame]

Psyker has the unique ability to whatever the hell he wants really. Stupid good melee damage, stupid good ranged damage, stupid good defensive options all wrapped up in a paper thin deranged person

I've got melee centric dive headlong I to everything builds, gun builds for melting elites and specials in seconds, long range wave clear with void staff and trauma, close range crowd clear with purge staff, CC king built around stunning and controlling every enemy in the trauma. BB centric builds supported by laspistol. Just about everything

[harsh urchin]

Probably purg or kant yeah

[lyric burrow]

I would also agree

I actually learned with void/dueling sword

As psyker

[harsh urchin]

Once you get better at the game, you'll move your mindset away from "roles" and make better, more well rounded builds

[lyric burrow]

And that wasnt too bad although i had moved off it by the time i started running damnation

[harsh urchin]

Sure theres situations certain setups will handle easier

[lyric burrow]

Most classes can handle most situations

[harsh urchin]

But ideally you should be able to handle any situation the game throws at you even if your teammates are afk or dead

[lyric burrow]

If they arent brining a build thats has one job

[steel flame]

I like knife myself. With peril block and even on builds without it I can put on an unbreakable defense and also weasel myself out of a situation if it gets too hot

[lyric burrow]

Like a hsword flamer zealot or something

[harsh urchin]

I hate flamer lmfao

[lyric burrow]

Me too

Ik illisi invalidates hordes but jesus christ

[harsh urchin]

The exact situation where i had to clutch but a sniper or two snipers ruins my life

Has happened 3 times

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[harsh urchin]

With a flamer

[lyric burrow]

I run agripinna shotgun for a reason

[harsh urchin]

And zealot has no BB

[steel flame]

I love how good Illi is at killing but I don't love how meh it's defense and mobility is when shit hits the fan

[lyric burrow]

I find its mobility fine due to the dodges

I can just dodge out of most situations

Esp if i can ult first

[steel flame]

It's not bad it's just not great

Diemos is better defensively but they both lose out to knife once you figure out all the movement techs you have at your disposal

[lyric burrow]

Yeah knife is good for that

Wont clear a horde in 2 swings but you fly around

Illisi is actually so good ill gaslight myself into thinking im bad in melee and just carried by illisi

Although i have used other weapons

[steel flame]

Sometimes I like to lean into melee and I'll use illi but many cases where I'll be putting my killing power into ranged, having illi can be detrimental vs something that can enable my ranged DPS to be where it wants to be able to deal max Carnage

[lyric burrow]

I actually feel like most of the staffs pair better with deimos cause 3 of 4 are capable of good horde clear with void being the only one that might have some awkward spots

[harsh urchin]

does yours not have 80 mobility

[lyric burrow]

So i only run illisi when i feel like playing heavy melee for hordes

Even if trauma can take care of it anyway

[harsh urchin]

I recommend a 70+ mobility roll and a +3 stamina curio to fix mobility+defenses

since the psyker base stat of having 1 stamina is rough

[steel flame]

Oh it has 74 but I'd rather have a quick one shot option or stupid mobility in a ranged build rather than a weapon that wants to be stuck in

[harsh urchin]

having 3 only bars of stamina baseline means you can't fuck up your stamina management at all

[steel flame]

I use 0 stamina 2 toughness and a wound and manage mobility just fine

[spice veldt]

if you run trauma, you can avoid worrying about your stamina since you can always save yourself with the trauma, provided that your peril also isn't capped

[harsh urchin]

well you were literally just complaining about it lol

[lyric burrow]

I dont find stam neccasary since the stam regen is good but +3 stam doesnt hurt

[spice veldt]

it sucks that I can get caught off guard by ragers, but I don't die from it

[lyric burrow]

I run it with a health and toughness curio

[steel flame]

I'm saying I'd rather not sacrifice a hand full of things to make illi mobile when I can pick something else and have all the mobility in the world

[lyric burrow]

Thats fair

Obv illisi gives you a lot

[harsh urchin]

fair enough lol

i decided to sac the wound curio

for stam

so I can run more

block chaos spawn better

[steel flame]

God spawns are annoying

Better hope to God your never the last one alive with one

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i also gave up wound curios

Chaos spawns can be annoying

I got like 8 in 3 missions the other night

[harsh urchin]

at least they're relatively squishy

[lyric burrow]

There not too bad on there own they can suck with other stuff tho

Yeah 6 warp changes + barrage gets good damage on them

Does good damage on most things although trauma on beasts of nurgle might be slightly better but im not sure

Assuming you have flurry

[upper galleon]

psyker may not be the best

but it's fun

up there with ogryn for sheer fun potential

love illisi build, love purge build

[meager plinth]

Amelia how would you rank all 4 archtypes rn?

[upper galleon]

like, staffs?

[meager plinth]

classes

[upper galleon]

oh that's easy

Zealot is my main, 2nd is a tie between ogryn and psyker, and i really didn't like playing vet at all!

but usefullness wise?

Vet->Ogryn->psyker/zealot tied

[lyric burrow]

I would go vet-pysker-zealot-ogryn

Ogryn and zealot are close tho

So thats kinda interchangeable

[upper galleon]

huh

thanks big E

ogryn and psyker are probably the biggest obvious skill differences between good at bad players

gamesense wise

of course veteran is mostly aiming

[fluid knot]

Veterans are often carried in higher settings due to the utterly busted nature of their kit

[meager plinth]

MkII is pretty bad atm sadly

[upper galleon]

oh and current purging staff

vets are often also the carries

[bronze ice]

as in carrying or being carried

[upper galleon]

like, an autopistol and bolter vet duo could probably 2 man the entire game if they take cycler

[fluid knot]

Sometimes, more often than not, no because they get into melee, and die instantly

[upper galleon]

yee that is true but that is also player skill which makes calculations all fucky wucky

[bronze ice]

whats cycler

[meager plinth]

until one of them dies and they cannot clutch anymore cuz their kit works best when things are in their favor

Power cycler for power swords

[upper galleon]

i think veteran has the biggest discrepency between the best and worst players

[bronze ice]

ohh

[fluid knot]

Thats because of volume more than anything else, there are WAY more Vet mains than any other class

[upper galleon]

then psyker and ogryn, zealot seems to be the closest to a consistent class

i hate bad shieldgryns and surge psykers

[fluid knot]

But its worth pointing out, when you have a stacking instant 25% toughness dump, and then another 25% over time AND 75% DR to ranged toughness damage, yeah.. thats a crutch

[upper galleon]

but occassionally there will be that chad lightning cock

[lyric burrow]

Im pretty sure a bolter vet could solo a game

Unironically

[bronze ice]

wut

[fluid knot]

#psyker-class message

[bronze ice]

how

[upper galleon]

yep, I think vet is dodging nerfs just by the sheer amount of bad players

[lyric burrow]

Esp if its like hounds

[meager plinth]

nah, fatshark wont shy away from nerfing things

[upper galleon]

like i saw an autopistol camo vet in my damnation game a few days ago

legit

autopistol + camo

[lyric burrow]

They might after all the back lash on psword

[bronze ice]

what backlash

[upper galleon]

psword needed a nerf tho

[fluid knot]

I would like to see Vet slapped so hard with the nerf bat it actually raises the skill level of the class, because as it is, its the fuckin floor

[upper galleon]

complaining about psword nerf is like mercy mains complaining

[lyric burrow]

Yeah there feats need real tweaking

Like psyker has broken shit too

[meager plinth]

vet mostly need reworks, not nerfs

[bronze ice]

at what level is it safe to go into malice

[meager plinth]

depends on your skill

[spice veldt]

not mutually exclusive

[upper galleon]

level 1 (which you can't)

[lyric burrow]

Which ever level your comfortable

[meager plinth]

you cant go in malice at lvl 1 (oops)

[upper galleon]

so as soon as possible

[fluid knot]

You can with people

[bronze ice]

ive done malice on my vet but not my psyker

[upper galleon]

heresy when you have the key feats of your build

[lyric burrow]

Like power wise probably 7ish but tbh you could be capable as soon as you unlock it

[upper galleon]

and damnation when you have your baseline gear level 30 gear before you start minmaxing

[bronze ice]

baseline?

[meager plinth]

I wanna hear your takes on what you would like changed on vet, I already talked a bit with Dorfus of what we would like to see

[upper galleon]

basic stuff, level 30 axe with BM, no respite rifle, etc etc

[bronze ice]

ah got ha

[upper galleon]

finding even a rank 1 bm is really easy now

[bronze ice]

ok whats bm

lol

[fluid knot]

Lol i was doing Damnation as soon as i was able on Vet, and it was horrible

[lyric burrow]

I really just want confirmed kill tweaked down

[fluid knot]

Levelled up fast tho

[spice veldt]

i have the same sentiments; confirmed kill and unwavering focus needing to be toned down

[fluid knot]

Yup

[lyric burrow]

Unwavering too

Thats the name

[fluid knot]

Unwavering should be no suppression, take that offa the Ult and make it a feat

[upper galleon]

brutal momentum, pretty important blessing for axes

turns them from single target only to potential horde shredders

[fluid knot]

Issue with C'axe isnt BM, its the fact it deals high damage to all targets

Damage profile needs tweaking, not BM

[spice veldt]

i'd just stick with the original design intent and nerf BM

i don't see the problem with weapons having good armour mods and damage

[fluid knot]

When a C'axe is dealing comparable damage to carapace as some power weapons, thats a problem

[spice veldt]

i do see a problem with infinite cleave

[meager plinth]

it makes the weapon perform too much in situations where it shouldnt

[spice veldt]

what's the DPS of a decked out rashad on a crusher

[fluid knot]

Problem is, if you gut BM, C'axe will go into the "Do not use" pile, see; Alchys version (though i think its good you'll hear people squall about it if you say its good)

[upper galleon]

Caxe would suck if BM gets nerfed too hard

[lyric burrow]

Like 3 or 4 heavies i use it lol

[upper galleon]

but i think taxe would manage? certainly would be hit hard

[spice veldt]

well, alchys isn't used since it has a shittier light combo and worse heavies in comparison to the other CAxes

[unreal harness]

Tfw you get all the cool outfits

[fluid knot]

Except a way better damage profile than the others yeah..

[fluid knot]

Alchys sings like an opera girl in ER lobbies

[upper galleon]

which perk do i reroll here hmm

[fluid knot]

Weakspot

[upper galleon]

oh yea

i forgot the calculation for it is FUCKED

[lyric burrow]

Weakspot doesnt calculate yeah

[upper galleon]

thanks witch

[spice veldt]

as far as I can tell, achlys lights and heavies have the same stats as the rashad barring the h1

[fluid knot]

Run Shred on it an you seriously feel the difference

[lyric burrow]

Rashaad is still pretty nutty

[harsh urchin]

bm is just too strong for the effect it gives

it gives 100% of the effect for 1.5-4.5 seconds depending on the tier

it'd be much more balanced if they had to stack the effect up to 100%

[spice veldt]

and achlys' h1 has worse armour modifiers against carapace and unyielding in exchange for mildly better maniac damage

as far as i can tell, its damage profile is worse than the others on average

[harsh urchin]

like if they stacked 25% ignore hit mass per hit

I think rashad is the winner after the hitbox adjustments due to the extra 10% attackspeed from finesse

[spice veldt]

well, they're both from the same weapon family so it's not like there's any difference in blessings

[upper galleon]

PRAISE

154 CLICKS SAVED

first hishock on ym psyker and it's torrent assassination

[lyric burrow]

Hi shock on the chasm boss makes me

Really sad

[hidden crystal]

I do wonder what the statistics are on how difficult each mission is.

There's presumably got to be some that are failed more often/have more deaths/more people are downed.

The assassination missions certainly feel like I've failed them more often.

[harsh urchin]

I think boss situations + horde/specials really tests the skill level of the players

Lower skilled players can get through a lot of missions that're just like "defend this area" or "kill stuff"

[fluid knot]

Threat prioritization go brrrt

[harsh urchin]

by getting carried

but let's say their teammates are busy dealing with other shit

you literally need to be able to deal with a dog/mutant by yourself

or you need to not die to 4 poxwalkers

i've literally seen that happen in damnation

i cleared a horde for someone and left cuz there was like 5 poxwalkers left

and they died to that

[fluid knot]

Dogs i can forgive people for fucking up with because latency to server can vary which can really fuck pushing them, but muties less so unless they're the silent ones, which is annoyingly frequent

Though its endlessly funny when someone is stood on a spawn door an gets ragdolled immediately

[hidden crystal]

"Yes, you may have a contract on monsters, but could you maybe leave picking a fight with the daemonhost until after we've dealt with the horde we've just heard a sound cue for?"

[near gale]

Sometimes you get caught on a trash mob or the terrain because you're prepping for the dodge, but, you didn't have time to survey your surroundings

[harsh urchin]

the other thing is just dealing with a lone boss without panicking lol

like if there's a horde + chaos spawn

[fluid knot]

One person baits the spawn, give the others time to clear, ez

[harsh urchin]

if the person who has the aggro can just hold the aggro for like 10 seconds, I can clear all the threats and come back

[near gale]

Chaos Spawns are hard to deal with, I don't fault anyone for having 1 spawn really stress them out

[harsh urchin]

but a lot of the time, they pull the spawn into the horde

because they panic or whatnot

[fluid knot]

I still for the life of me dont get why people stuggle to dodge the spawn, like slidedodge is super effective

[upper galleon]

god savant native

[harsh urchin]

and everyone gets fucked

[upper galleon]

is so nerdy

"thriving drama scene"

[fluid knot]

Its no harder than plogryn to get away from

[near gale]

I haven't gotten the chance to learn how the attacks work, so I am still figuring it out on the fly.

I know what the patterns are

but I have trouble dealing with them efficiently

[fluid knot]

Literally wait for the flurry spool up an slidedodge back/diagonally

Rinse an repeat

Just be aware of your surroundings ofc

Else you get cornered an then it can fuck you up

[near gale]

I don't know how to dodge-slide very well, against a large melee attack like that

[fluid knot]

Practice in psykhanium, its pretty simple, just do it in a direction away from the spawn

[near gale]

I would, but, I wanna play lol

I don't want to sit and test and test and test and test and... you get it lol

[harsh urchin]

tldr; he does aggressive slashes that rush forward if you're medium range; he does a big leap at you if you're far range, and he does block-break slams if you're close range

you want to try to get close to bait out the slams

[upper galleon]

damn the soul blaze build feels so good

but damn

[near gale]

Which one is the slam and which one is the slashes?

[upper galleon]

shooters shred me if i don't have eyes in the back of my head

[near gale]

Is the slam when he smacks both "arms" down?

[harsh urchin]

since they're the easiest to dodge and the least distance moving

slam is 1x

slashes = 3x

he either does slam or grab if you're close

[near gale]

Doesn't it have 2 3 attack comboes?

[upper galleon]

also 0 death hishock

[harsh urchin]

correct

[upper galleon]

let's goooo

[harsh urchin]

he does a crawling 3x or a standing 3x

but functionally they're similar

[near gale]

so those are both slam attacks?

[upper galleon]

oh and if your teammate is grabbed

[harsh urchin]

no

[upper galleon]

get in melee range or nade the spawn

[near gale]

Yeah

I bait the swing attack from it

[harsh urchin]

the 3x can be blocked pretty easily

[upper galleon]

getting munched gives a TON of corruption

[near gale]

It lets me get a free hit or two on it as well

[harsh urchin]

3x just moves him a lot

[upper galleon]

you have to bait the melee or whoever is grabbed might as well be dead

[near gale]

as it goes to throw the player after the 3rd swing

[harsh urchin]

which makes it harder for your team

to deal damage

[upper galleon]

^

[harsh urchin]

the slam breaks your block; but doesn't move him much

[upper galleon]

not even the person's with aggro problem but Chaxe is unplayable vs spawn

thing will constantly break your latch, basically impossible to get a rev'd hit off

[harsh urchin]

and if someone gets grabbed

[fluid knot]

You can dodge the swings when a player is grabbed and stay in close range, there is a downtime after the swings before he chucks the player which is the time to get some solid hits in

[near gale]

What you do, Ell, is have 3 Ogryns. Get your t4 thrust heavy charged, hit the spawn as the 1st ogryn stuns it

do it again, then the 2nd ogryn stuns it

[harsh urchin]

you have 2-3 seconds to either knock him down via grenade or just walk up to him and he'll throw the grabbed player

[near gale]

[harsh urchin]

you dont want to let him eat

[near gale]

I try to never let the spawn eat at all

Even if it means I risk getting hit by one of his swings

[fluid knot]

Or, you bring Ogg shovel an do this.. https://youtu.be/5Y98IqFxcMw

[near gale]

It is worth that risk

[harsh urchin]

the swings dont do much dmg iirc

[near gale]

Yeah, but, I don't need to take the hits

[upper galleon]

i've seen a munch bring an ogryn to full corruption

[near gale]

They just lower your toughness by enough for the real attacks to hurt even more

[upper galleon]

it does not mess around

also it heals the thing

but questoin for psyker mains

unstable power doesn't cap out at 5% right

[fluid knot]

No, it stacks

[upper galleon]

ok thank god

[fluid knot]

Tooltip is badly worded

[harsh urchin]

20%

5% per 20 heat, max at 80 heat

[near gale]

inb4 we can get a sub-class with 200 max peril and which allows it to stack up to 9 times

[upper galleon]

yea i figured as much

staring at that tooltip made me

[harsh urchin]

basically it all comes down to slaught being overpowered

lol

[upper galleon]

double checking burn breakpoint for purge staffs is 76% right?

[harsh urchin]

lazorr gives me shit every time i say slaught is gonna be nerfed

but there's no way it can exist at 75% while shit like unstable is at 20%

[harsh urchin]

76+ burn 80 cloud yep

[fluid knot]

It fuckin well should be nerfed

[near gale]

Personally I think it should be lowered on all weapons besides the thammer, since the thammer is the only weapon slaughterer is not OP on. Now, personally, I think fatshark won't give af about that and will nerf it for all weapons

[fluid knot]

Slaughterer has no buisiness being that good with that little setup

[harsh urchin]

i'm ok if they buff superiority to slaught levels

so superiority is 75%

is fine

but slaught condition is too easy to be 75%

[shadow onyx]

its not slaughterer which is OP, its pinning fire and ilisi

[upper galleon]

err i'd say both are OP

[meager plinth]

blessings that massively boost power by doing what you already do with the weapon shouldnt exist

[fluid knot]

^

[meager plinth]

blessings like tenderizer make much more sense

you want the bonus power? work for it

[upper galleon]

err

i don't like this either

[fluid knot]

And all "Power" should be damage, else it is automatically BiS due to the multiple stats effected

[meager plinth]

that too

[upper galleon]

i still have precog 4 ptsd when i'm trying to roll knife blessings

[shadow onyx]

thammer without slaughterer is worst than catachan vs horde and cannot do many tricks, thammer is not op

obscurus or deimos with slaughterer is far from OP too

[meager plinth]

thats an issue with thammer

[shadow onyx]

butcher cleaver or ilisi have already huge base stats + OP cleave

[meager plinth]

weapons should not require power% to work effectively

[fluid knot]

TH would behave exactly the same during horde clear kek

[shadow onyx]

thammer need to have slaughterer to be decent in horde

[fluid knot]

Slow as fuck

No.. because its target capped

You're killing one per swing, same as you would without Slaughterer

[shadow onyx]

thats another issue, thammer and evis stupid cap

[harsh urchin]

i dont think target cap is bad necessarily

[shadow onyx]

i think it is, especialy on evis

[fluid knot]

The point being Slaughterer does nothing for TH clear speed against basic bitch enemies

[harsh urchin]

I think that overabundance of power, and it affecting cleave is bad

and evis just needs buffs

the target cap exists because it's supposed to be a single target weapon

but the saw sucks so much it can't even kill anything

in one rev

[shadow onyx]

put thrust on evis + remove cap and add bonus dmg on unarmoured/infested

[fluid knot]

Idk, i do think the target cap on Evisc' should be raised a fair bit

[shadow onyx]

[meager plinth]

evis yea

[fluid knot]

Its a giant fucking chainsaw, like c'mon now

[shadow onyx]

where do you get that idea lmao, almost any move is cleave

[harsh urchin]

saws a crusher; it still has more than half his health left

[harsh urchin]

basic game design principles

not all weapons are meant to be good against everything

[fluid knot]

Aye, thats a different issue though, thats carapace, i dont think it should be that good vs carapace

[harsh urchin]

they're designed to have weaknesses

[shadow onyx]

evis is meant to be jack of all trade weapon

except horde is barelylike thammer

one of the worst melee for zealot to deal vs horde

you kill 30 poxs in 25sec ish

with ideal conditions

[upper galleon]

taxe is how you do a jack of all trades

[harsh urchin]

iirc all the chain weapons are supposed to be more single target focused with the rev, and evis is supposed to deal with hordes better than the other chain weapons

due to swapping out finesse for cleave

[shadow onyx]

i disagree

chsword yes

not evis

its a damn signature wepon for a melee focused career and its a gigantic 2 handed sword

with barely any vertical move

even the special is designed to deal in horde

thats why they copy pasted it on ironhelm

youre supposed to slice into trashs like butter

in one big swing

[bronze ice]

so is there a specific staff thats better than any others? or are they all good at different things

[meager plinth]

all good at different things

[bronze ice]

gotcha

is the voidstrike staff the flame one

[spice veldt]

i'd put surge, purg, and trauma over the voidstrike since those at least have the ability to deal with elites in some way

whereas voidstrike only has range, suppression, and hordeclear

[bronze ice]

ohhh

ok

[spice veldt]

voidstrike is the ball one

purgatus is the flamethrower one

[bronze ice]

i see

[meager plinth]

voidstrike has the ability to deal with shooters at range which can make it really good

and above cover

[spice veldt]

but even that advantage is reduced when you become more accustomed with the movement system

[meager plinth]

100%

[spice veldt]

and a staff like trauma has a maximum range of 20m, but shooters also don't do that much damage at 20m

and as long as you're playing on the psyker psykinetic subclass, range isn't an issue for dealing with snipers

[meager plinth]

trauma has half decent suppression so it sorta helps on enemies you miss

[spice veldt]

yeah the outer area is quite large

[lunar hollow]

do u have access to other subclassess???? (please share)

[spice veldt]

yeah i dropped it on the ground

just bend down to pick it up

[lunar hollow]

try harder than that

[meager plinth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zog3ud/datamined_classes/

[ornate hamlet]

One is gayer than the other

[meager plinth]

I dont remember if this one is outdated or not

[lunar hollow]

well

its all shit from december

they havent added more class stuff since then

[meager plinth]

yea nope

the only thing they added was gun information which they removed

[lunar hollow]

yea

[meager plinth]

they added some stuff regarding flash missions recently

but its been pretty barebone

[lunar hollow]

i just want a melee vet subclass

catachan crackhead

cmonnn

[granite mauve]

squad leader with powerfist

that's all you get

powerfist being his ability with cooldown

or his grenade

[upper galleon]

i cannot get a good deimos base to save my life

bold of you to assume it won't be another SHOUT ability

like the handful we had in vt2

curious as to what tho

[lunar hollow]

i kinda hope for a shout

literally just let me res people with ult like merc could iirc

[upper galleon]

level 30 feat is commisar shout and you just execute the psyker

[lunar hollow]

execute psyker, everyone else does 2x damage due to boosted morale

3x if your psyker is a savant

[meager plinth]

let psyker fight topless, everyone does 2x damage cuz they are motivated by warp entities

[lunar hollow]

warp entities

[meager plinth]

fkc, should of thought of that one

[lunar hollow]

its ok, we can't all be as funny as me

[meager plinth]

yea, some of us have to be cursed with good looks instead

[lunar hollow]

lj;WGR NADS K;/GSHFRAJ;'ASDNG BJ

O[vsdfjhA

[meager plinth]

Gotta represent

[lunar hollow]

we'll call this a draw

[meager plinth]

Deal

[mild lotus]

Just saw that warp charges now vanish one at a time rather than all at once!

We're barack!

[meager plinth]

[mild lotus]

By the emperor, psyker's feats are now decent, dare I say good.

[upper galleon]

savant slander 😢

nah

just decent

[meager plinth]

The freak deserved it

[mild lotus]

compared to before I left, they're borderline OP

[mild lotus]

quicken is finally a viable choice and kinetic flayer has a good enough cd that you can keep your stacks up

[upper galleon]

I love that voice line

imo

[ornate hamlet]

I prefer camelid racing

[upper galleon]

MIM should be baseline

game is too fast paced

[ornate hamlet]

this tvg

tbh

[mild lotus]

I'd be like "Killing me is against protocol!"

[upper galleon]

change it to faster MS at higher peril

god some days

i just switch back to pyschic communion

or else i'll join the most efficient veterans on the planet

yea, i totally didn't need that random poxwalker in the middle of the road to build up my stacks

[lunar hollow]

instead u run kinetic flayer

and have it trigger on a DH

[meager plinth]

exactly

it adds spice to the mission

if its going too well

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/ul92dy

like @safe crystal did when trying to brainburst the DH once for funny

[upper galleon]

is blazing spirit even worth it at 5% crit chance on swords

[meager plinth]

the immediat lmao is on brand

[lunar hollow]

i was laughing

[meager plinth]

if you use blazing spirit you need shred

[lunar hollow]

i wish i had audio on

[upper galleon]

yea

that's what im thinking

slaughter is just better

[lunar hollow]

blazing spirit + shred co exists with like unstable + slaugh

which just kills more

[upper galleon]

would be funny for a "themed" psyker

where you just all in on soulblaze, damn being good

[meager plinth]

some peeps enjoy blaze trauma with blazing spirit Illisi

[safe crystal]

[lunar hollow]

u deserved it

[safe crystal]

I guess i did

Its still 3-0

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma but slaughterer illisi.

For the more burn damage. RIP pre-nerf wildfire ascendant blaze slaughterer stacking.

[lunar hollow]

2-1

[safe crystal]

Taking credit for someone elses shit, smh

[lunar hollow]

u know thats not how it happened

i manipulated u

[harsh urchin]

I have an idea for a subclasa

Whatif you had 2 melee weapons and they shared 4 blessings

Thatd be so overpowered but thats the only way to make blizing spirit work

Cuz its so ass

[lunar hollow]

even then ur still gonna get way more out of unstable + slaught

its doin the heavy lifting

soulblaze being mostly cosmetic

[safe crystal]

Sure, sure, whatever you say. I need to focus on killing vics now, my SL is yelling because i didnt kill a tank

So i'll leave it at this

[lunar hollow]

smh

[upper galleon]

how i sleep at night when i'm a hypocrite and steal BBs on other classes

[meager plinth]

[upper galleon]

3 bombers

wiped our squad

at that stair section

woops

[meager plinth]

what happened?

[upper galleon]

2 bombers spawned behind us, one in front of us, and like 3 reapers and all the shooters

we were on the stairs down to the next part so literally nowhere to go

archivum

horde spawned also but my 3 comrades were already down on the floor and I wasn't going to be able to salvage that

[near gale]

Oof

[mild lotus]

worth investing in, right?

[lyric burrow]

Finesse is a little lower than id like but i havent used obscurus since launch so idk how important it is actually

[ornate hamlet]

Very

Finesse on power swords has bullshit high values

[lunar hollow]

sir these are force swords

[ornate hamlet]

true

[lyric burrow]

True

[ornate hamlet]

I played too much vet recently

[lunar hollow]

dummy

[ornate hamlet]

my brain melted and I am putting it in the freezer again to reshape it

[mild lotus]

So, is finesse that important? seems not to me

[lyric burrow]

Id want at least 70

If finnese and warp absorption were swapped itd be perfect

[ornate hamlet]

Warp resistance

Everyone's becoming like me

[patent steeple]

btw, which lvl 15 feat is better on a Ascendant Blaze build?

i myself have used Communion for a long time regardless of what psyker build i use so i don't have to worry about vets stealing my BB/burn kills.

[hidden crystal]

Well, Communion will help refill your soul stack; Psykinetic's Aura letting you fire off Wrath more often isn't hugely helpful if you've not got any souls to apply burn with.

[lyric burrow]

What have you done to me

[mild lotus]

you caught the stupid

also know as the big dumb

[hidden crystal]

Communion will still trigger on Soulblaze kills (although I think it's independent, so a kill with Soulblaze can potentially net you two charges).

Certainly, Communion can proc on BB and net you two charges.

[ornate hamlet]

I think lacerations is good for AB because it counteracts the lower DPS of lacking kinetic barrage

Practically I didn't benefit much from psykinetic aura, despite it being really good with kinetic barrage

Communion is nice for passive charges, but at the same time it'll mean no lacerations and your brain burst DPS will suffer

[wicked inlet]

Can someone please explain the terrifying barrage blessing to my dumb jock brain

[ornate hamlet]

It forces a very short suppression effect on nearby enemies when something kicks the bucket

[broken carbon]

when you kill an enemy with a ranged attack, any enemy within x meters is suppressed, basically stunning them

for a very short period

[wicked inlet]

Thanks 💪

[strong gulch]

Yeah definitely. Having Psykinetic's Wrath and Lacerations with 3+ warp charges hit some break points in higher difficulties too. 2 BB on crusher vs 3, BUT the whole team "should" be contributing to damage.

[lyric burrow]

I usually use communion cause im not bbing enough to keep them up generally and when i am bbing its mostly because i proc'd barrage and i want to have my charges up for when i need to take out a bunch of stuff with bb

But aura is probs better

I just have no charges when i dont run communion

[strong gulch]

Valid. Playstyle and team comp play a big part.

[full bane]

I was bored so I decided to make this, what do you think Spark’Eads?

[ornate hamlet]

paul(plural)

Contributed to a wipe because this time the 97% blew me up

Thanks Fatshark

This definitely doesn't make me incredibly paranoid about using kinetic barrage to its fullest

[lyric burrow]

I always did 94 as the highest

To be safe

But ik i can go a little higher

[strong gulch]

I don't trust 97 because of that.

[pine relic]

Finally finished this one

[plucky flax]

Did you not do it with vet?

No hp damage taken.

[pine relic]

Nah, i did it with psyker

[burnt maple]

I almost did it by accident on Psyker. But the stupid corruptor eye increases your corruption by a tiny amount when you attack it and that ruined it

[upper galleon]

sniper gauntlet is fun

[idle aurora]

Unless you dont have a single person with proper ranged weapon. The amount of shotgun pellets those snipers ate gave them food for years ahead

[burnt maple]

The slug round shotty does okay

[upper galleon]

i mean

we had 2 psykers 2 vet

and we nearly got stumped at that overhang on the torrent map

cause they could shoot us without us being able to get a BB lock

on the upload fake data mission, after you climb the towers and stuff, that hallway to the one way drop

yea that was f*cking bs

8+ snipers literally underneath us

[hidden crystal]

Congrats!

I finally managed to complete Untouchable earlier myself. (Although apparently I've not yet got around to completing Preternatural Dodge).

[bronze ice]

do u guys prefer force swords or duelist swords

[fluid knot]

I think the unanimous answer is Force Swords mate kek

[bronze ice]

lmao seems like it

[lyric burrow]

If you mean meta wise its force swords and its not close thanks to illisi and deimos

I enjoy both tho

[upper galleon]

they should give dueling sword an alt fire like saltz sword

except instead of gun, it's a magic bolt

parry is overrated anyways

[lyric burrow]

Id also like if they really leaned into mobility on then

[upper galleon]

yee

[lyric burrow]

Like they have good mobility but i can infinitely dodge with force sword so it still feels worse

[upper galleon]

give like, the bolt enough power to one shot headshot basic shooters/stalkers at 4 charges i think would be a good power level

i rolled past 25% maniac

on my deimos

ok

only took me 6 more to get it back thank god

[lyric burrow]

I will never not understand why you cant just pick from a list

Thats basically what it is its just what you land on is random so you do it till you get what you want

[lunar hollow]

because the perk reroll system was designed with the idea that each subsequent reroll would get more expensive

they scrapped that

and then kept the shitty rerolling thing that becomes pointless once it becomes free

[lyric burrow]

Ngl thats better than it getting more expensive 😭

got a decent mk4 in light of it being talked about recently

[upper galleon]

damn surge psyker shocked a burster into me

[strong gulch]

While leveling at lower difficulty, and when you could easily perma tank and DH, I enjoyed dueling swords.

Now if I want that type of thing, I opt for a knife.

Knife is just more fun for me. It feels faster and less clunky.

[upper galleon]

ugh i hit a new level of scuff

with that last damnation sniper run

3 peril explosion

[bronze ice]

what can psykers do to kill elites

or is that not our job rly

[upper galleon]

BB spam

deimos

Should be oneshotting gunners and shotgunners in damnation if you are charged up

at range you also have void staff

and mid-short range trauma

also gun psyker

with autopistol shreds everything besides carapace armor

[strong gulch]

BB spam for sure. Below 97% peril for BB chain without exploding. I do below 95% or lower because just in case.

Some staffs have more CC like Surge and Trauma.

[upper galleon]

Honestly Surge is all CC and dealing with short/mid range shooter swarms

isn't really good at killing elites

rather just do a quick surge stun, then swap to BB for the safe finisher

[strong gulch]

There's also a rending blessing that your teammates can take advantage of for carapace armor.

[upper galleon]

true

[lyric burrow]

deimos/illisi/trauma/BB all kill elites quite well

[upper galleon]

technically players in damnation should be good enough to not hit carapce armor with soemthing that does no damage baseline to it

[strong gulch]

Surge is good at pausing Crushers and contributing to significant damage vs crushers.

[upper galleon]

but i've seen things

[strong gulch]

true

[lyric burrow]

the ogryn dumping his entire stubber clip into a crusher

[upper galleon]

surge damage isn't significant tho, that's the main problem with the staff

yes, the cc is godsend if used right

[lyric burrow]

its actually got good armor damage

its damage vs everything else is mid

[upper galleon]

yee, but that is mostly better vs flak enemies who have much lower HP pools

[bronze ice]

how do you spam bb more than twice without overloading on peril

[upper galleon]

you can cast BB at 98% peril and be fine

just don't try to use anymore and quickly quell

[upper galleon]

then like Beans said

[lyric burrow]

Can also use barrage

[bronze ice]

ohhh ok

barrage?

[lyric burrow]

Level 30 feat

[bronze ice]

ohh gotcha

[lyric burrow]

Makes it come out twice as fast and use 50% less peril

For a short period

[strong gulch]

Yup yup that.

Kinetic Barrage is pretty good. Inner Tranquility is a lvl 10 feat that gives you more peril resistance per warp charge, but I don't recommend it for BB spam because you can tap your quell to get quell enough to be able to BB again quickly.

Warp Unleashed is also a lvl 10 talent that gives you more damage based on increasing peril with a minimum of 10%. So that's hard to pass up.

[bronze ice]

i didnt even think to use that feat