#psyker-class

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meager plinth
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yea, this one is the best I got so far

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really bad rng

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Its not an Illisi, but its FUN

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and pretty decent

lyric burrow
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yeah chainsword is fun

meager plinth
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It can do pretty well against crowds too

lyric burrow
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ive never used AB so thats something ill have to get used to

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i pretty much just pop it on hordes when i get 4 charges right

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if i even need to with illisi

meager plinth
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if you have an Illisi, you could just use Kinetic Barrage

lyric burrow
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thats what i was thinking

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even without 6 charges its nice for carapace

meager plinth
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that and wrack and ruin you can melt patrols

restive slate
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Wrack and ruin recommended for cowboy Psyker?

lyric burrow
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makes sense it is since you arent playing with peril as much

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although with illisi you could just take it out to increase peril and get the benefits of WU

meager plinth
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you have less chance to maintain high peril and it lets you save up a LOT of bullets on mixed hordes

restive slate
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Aaah never considered that

lyric burrow
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then go back to revolver

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that might be overkill though

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you probably dont need high peril to hit revolver breakpoints now

meager plinth
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get a few wrack n ruins procs on groups while you keep your revolver handy for disablers, snipers and gunners

lyric burrow
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wrack and ruin builds SB stacks on kill with BB right?

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how many stacks does it actually build

meager plinth
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4 stacks every brainbursts on elites/specials

restive slate
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What about lvl 25 feat?

lyric burrow
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or wait its when it doesnt kill right

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not on kill

meager plinth
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just usage ye

lyric burrow
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so it would be for ogryns then since it one shots gunners

meager plinth
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if you get 3 brain bursts that is 12 stacks

lyric burrow
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and then revolver is for everything else

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12 stacks probably gets things going

meager plinth
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very useful on groups of crushers, maulers, bulwarks, ragers

restive slate
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Does wildfire help then?

meager plinth
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not really

lyric burrow
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wildfire not worth iirc

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wanna say its pretty miniscule

meager plinth
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if you want wildfire, use shredder with pinning fire

lyric burrow
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im guessing your running flayer cause theres not much point in the other 2

meager plinth
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the stacks will fall off too much otherwise

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and also because flayer lets me 1shot muties in damnation ER with my chainsword

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if im lucky enough to get it to proc

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the sawing damage is really good at getting it to active on chainsword specials

lyric burrow
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ah that makes sense

meager plinth
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so this is personal preference

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also it helps keep 4 stacks for ascendant blaze

lyric burrow
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might run WB then if its chainsword specific

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if im also running barrage

restive slate
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Chainsword... shred and savage sweep I assume?

lyric burrow
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might not get the normal BB damage without WU but i dont really need it given the revolver/illisi takes care of anything not ogryns which the W&R takes care of

meager plinth
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idealy I would of 1shotted all the elites if I had clearer aim, but flayer let me 1shot that rager that I bodyshotted

lyric burrow
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actually if i run WB/Barrage would it just be worth to run WU anyway since i could maintain stacks

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esp with communion

meager plinth
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communion is just there to help supply myself with toughness

lyric burrow
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might need to do some testing

meager plinth
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100% im still tweaking all my stuff rn

lyric burrow
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i do want to try W&R

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otherwise its just my normal build but with a revolver

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if im running WB/barrage

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ok yeah ill try your build otherwise i might as well just BB instead of use the revolver

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now that i think about it

meager plinth
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I highly encourage experimenting cuz this is pretty far from meta, use whatever you enjoy the most

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im even considering using terrifying barrage for my second blessing, it might have a use

lyric burrow
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Yeah i just like revolver and have used my fair share of staves

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Wanted to try something new

restive slate
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Off meta builds most fun builds

meager plinth
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just be mindful of your ammo count

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if you dont have a vet, your shots are limited

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tiny ammo boxes only give 8 ammo so I recommend leaving those for your teammates

lyric burrow
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Yeah itll def just be for elites and disablers and whatnot

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Normal gunners can get BB'd

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Or slide into with illisi

meager plinth
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tho if you find fun and interesting comboes, let me know!

lyric burrow
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Yeah i can def try and play around with feats

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Might even be some interesting melee options

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Dueling sword for maximum mobility lol

meager plinth
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revolver and MkV dueling sword

lyric burrow
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It could work

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0 peril generation psyker lol

meager plinth
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getting mentally ready for slaughterer and pinning fire nerf

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and protectorate

cyan portal
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slaughterer already nerfed, its dead to me

meager plinth
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?

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the soulblaze kills thing?

cyan portal
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killed proc from soulblaze, was the best thing about it

lyric burrow
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hadron please dont brick

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harsh cobalt
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I'm assuming transfer peril does nothing on trauma staff since you can't hit weakspots

lyric burrow
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correct

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well it can

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but its not worth

harsh cobalt
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and if I give it up to hadron it won't unlock to other staffs, right?

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since they all count as it's own weapon type

lyric burrow
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also correct

meager plinth
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WILL IT BRICK

harsh cobalt
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oh ffs, I could use tier 4 transfer peril just not on damn trauma. Thanks, hadron

restive slate
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Protectorate?

lyric burrow
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surgical and run n gun

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bois

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it was a good try

meager plinth
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Protectorate is the datamined name for a psyker class

lyric burrow
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tbh

harsh cobalt
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didn't they datamine the staff that has warp shield in the name or something of the sort

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so, more support psyker?

lyric burrow
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revolver blessings are so mid ill hold onto surgical and put crucian on it

meager plinth
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yea thats a good combo

lyric burrow
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idk what to go for a perk

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i think it sucks against unarmored

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prob that or maniac

meager plinth
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Rifthaven Mk IIa Pyrocast Force Staff
Rifthaven Mk VI Shield Force Staff
Nomanus Mk XII Force Staff

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idk what that Nomanus is

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Unarmored is viable since it improves your range against snipers

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otherwise, flak/maniac for ragers

lyric burrow
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it gave me t3 flak

meager plinth
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I think thats good enough

lyric burrow
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probably go with maniac

meager plinth
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what was the other perk?

lyric burrow
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id say its more important than unarmored esp since BB takes care of gunners

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specialists

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so thats going lol

restive slate
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So just to clarify, we reserve Revolvers for Disablers, Shotgunners and Maniacs then BB gunners and Ogryns?

meager plinth
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add shooters to the list, but only to pick up stray or grouped ones

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and it can be used to finish off priority threats

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like to finish off an ogryn

restive slate
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What of boss damage?

meager plinth
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never tried myself, would run out of ammo

restive slate
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I assume you chainsaw or bb most of the time?

meager plinth
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I use all of them pretty equally

fluid knot
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If you also have a Zealot i reccomend trying Crusher/Revvy combo

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Smash 'em down, shoot 'em dead

civic flicker
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Am I a bad person if I named my Psyker "Jimmy"?

harsh cobalt
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jimmy neutron?

civic flicker
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Yes.

harsh cobalt
meager plinth
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maybe with bleed

restive slate
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But with bleed you have to sacrifice Shred or Savage Sweep haha

feral verge
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i think its funny

restive slate
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BRAINBLA-

harsh cobalt
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how do you even revive with a psyker. YOu have enough stamina to take maybe 1 tickle from a poxwalker

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this has been an annoying aspect for me

meager plinth
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psyker is actually the best at reviving rn

fallen swallow
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kinetic deflection

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is op

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I love it

meager plinth
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just use your ability and everything will get staggered

harsh cobalt
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in what way. You run out of stam in about one microsecond

lyric burrow
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yeah if you just like F and then have kinectic deflection youll always res

meager plinth
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Kinetic deflection is fuckin busted

wheat quartz
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kinetic deflection makes it so that blocks give you peril instead of draining stam

fallen swallow
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kinetic deflection doesn't use stam

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it uses peril

harsh cobalt
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well, F only staggers in front. And even then sometimes iffy about who it choses to stagger

meager plinth
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You can tank a demonhost while reving people

harsh cobalt
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ah you're talking about a feat

meager plinth
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if you have trauma, you can knock everything on the floor

lyric burrow
harsh cobalt
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I kinda like having toughness DR though. Psyker is so squishy

lyric burrow
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its a wide radius

wheat quartz
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I usually do trauma explosion -> rez, and if I have kinetic deflection it'll usually go off

lyric burrow
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with peril

meager plinth
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use all your tools

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and its super easy

cosmic sigil
lyric burrow
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purge can do the same thing with M1

harsh cobalt
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I run two toughness and one health right now on curios, but it's a work in progress. I'm bouncing between vet which is my main, and getting other classes in shape and geared up

lyric burrow
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i think i run 2 toughness one stam or one tough one health one stam

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i forget

harsh cobalt
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my issue with boosting toughness with curios is low base

lyric burrow
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although i dont run deflection

harsh cobalt
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you get twice the return on vet for example, because of high base. You kinda get very little on psyker

lyric burrow
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so stam can be nice sometimes even if i dont block super often

harsh cobalt
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20 toughness from curio if you're lucky

feral verge
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Kinetic shield + 3x toughness curios effectively gives you over 200 toughness

spice veldt
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though toughness regenerates, which puts it very high in my eyes

lyric burrow
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yeah toughness curios plus the regen

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is very good

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esp with how good we are in melee

spice veldt
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esp with how insane the illisi is, you become rather durable with how much toughness you can Regen from melee

wheat quartz
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I use 3 toughness with Illisi with warp absorption, it feels pretty solid

lyric burrow
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nothing you do will be the same level as vet with his feats where he has essentially infinite toughness but its still very good overall

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but it does take some building around

harsh cobalt
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I use warp absorbtion too, it's nice to be able to regain toughness quickly without switching to melee

cosmic sigil
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I use deflection and deflector with my revolver build to play aggressively. But also warp unleashed and quicken. I just don't know how to use barrage and ruin properly.

harsh cobalt
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overall I definitely feel like psyker is the squishiest of the bunch, which is okay considering the role and what you can do. Definitely takes time to get around that playstyle

lyric burrow
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i love barrage for when patrols show up or theres a bunch of disablers running around

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yeah they are squishy

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thats the weakness

cosmic sigil
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I feel safer with my psyker than my vet or my zealot...

lyric burrow
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once they get through your toughness your in danger

ornate hamlet
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Psyker can have arguably the best active defense in the game tbh

lyric burrow
ornate hamlet
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Though I never played ogryn, so that's why I don't declare psyker the best at it

lyric burrow
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psyker is def second for me though

cosmic sigil
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That's a problem

harsh cobalt
spice veldt
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really only squishy against things that can catch you off guard and whatnot, like snipers and bursters

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I'm pretty comfy with infinite dodges

cosmic sigil
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Because I'm competing with other vets or zealots or ogryns to kill a fucking elite

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And honestly. That's a pain.

ornate hamlet
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They should give dueling swords infinite dodges, just to be sure whatthefuck_heresy

lyric burrow
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ogyrn is also very tanky but his defensive options feel a bit worse just cause he cant use cover and gets lit up by gunfire sometimes

feral verge
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I feel safest on my zealot. 163 toughness, 227 HP. Holy rev. 2x ult, which regenerates 50% toughness instantly. Just so many get out of jail free cards

lyric burrow
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hes a beast in melee tho

cosmic sigil
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I'd rather have ewew or warp absorption

feral verge
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I can play extremely aggressively with hsword and do gremlin shit

lyric burrow
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true

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you can even proc the passive res on purpose to get back to full life in a horde

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esp with hsword

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thammer gets all your health back in one hit lol

feral verge
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I run right into the middle of hordes. I don't kite them. I will get surrounded on purpose

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With hsword

lyric burrow
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idk if hsword is actually better than illisi but it feels more broken

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like

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i am shredding hordes with just lights

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both are insane

feral verge
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I think hsword is better because you can just m1 spam

lyric burrow
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but hsword feels like cheating

feral verge
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For illisi you atleast have to charge it up for max effectiveness

harsh cobalt
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hsword lights do so little damage though

lyric burrow
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i had a 1.3 kill game with hsword

feral verge
lyric burrow
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and i was running agripinna shotgun with it

harsh cobalt
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yes the moveset is easy, but m1 spam on hsword feels meh

lyric burrow
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so it was all hsword

feral verge
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Rampage and headtaker

lyric burrow
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its broken with ramage/headtaker

feral verge
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Mine hits like a truck

lyric burrow
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one shots every infested you hiit

harsh cobalt
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I mean it's like 65 damage as a base, it won't really hit that hard

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there's only so much you can boost it

cosmic sigil
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No

feral verge
spice veldt
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not when it has 75% power and 50% damage blessing lmao

cosmic sigil
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Hsword get around 260% dm increase

lyric burrow
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yeah

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as a base they are mid

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however blessings are broken

cosmic sigil
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It's basically a lightsaber saber

restive slate
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No not broken, perfectly balanced sshshhhh

lyric burrow
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you will never have issues with hordes if you run that, i think you would never lose in an infinite horde gamemode

cosmic sigil
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Though Illisi has infinite dodges...

restive slate
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Not a lightsaber... A heavysaber

cosmic sigil
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Lmao

lyric burrow
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infinite dodges are cool and balanced

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me when i go into -7/4 dodges on every other weapon and keep dodging anyway

cosmic sigil
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Same

meager plinth
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crab-walking psykers with deimos are weird

spice veldt
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being able to just offload dodge management from your brain is very nice

feral verge
lyric burrow
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i am capable of using other weapons i just have to remember to push more rather than dodging constantly

spice veldt
feral verge
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I just like getting out of spawn quickly

meager plinth
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weirdo

feral verge
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And getting straight to the killing

meager plinth
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straight to business

spice veldt
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true

feral verge
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I am a well balanced individual who can be trusted with weapons

restive slate
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Straight to bussiness

lyric burrow
feral verge
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I have been zealot moding for awhile

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But maybe once I hit 250 missions penance (I'm at 245) I will be back on my psyker shit

spice veldt
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good

feral verge
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My main build got nerfed this patch

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Purga

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They nerfed dots triggering slaughterer and shiet

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My strat was putting a gust or two on hordes or using AB

meager plinth
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lmao

feral verge
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Then pulling out Deimos with slaughterer and unstable power

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And watching them evaporate

meager plinth
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I mean, just get Illisi and jump in the horde

lyric burrow
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damn you killed that horde like 3 times over

restive slate
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Does unstable power affect Soulblaze?

feral verge
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I never tested, just kinda assumed/hoped that it did/does

north solstice
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not to my knowledge

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but fucking pinning fire does so i wouldnt know

spice veldt
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blessings should

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unless it's a weird exception

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no reason for it to not work

meager plinth
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it should, they just prevented getting stacks from soulblaze/other dots afaik

restive slate
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What about something like No Respite of a Headhunter?

meager plinth
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if they are staggered maybe but I never tested

cyan portal
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soulblaze is boosted by all active power/dmg boosts and perks etc

restive slate
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Even the Salvo blessings?

meager plinth
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the activation window is salvo is so small idk

cyan portal
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unsure, would need to test that

meager plinth
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possibly?

cyan portal
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at some point i'll get around to testing fire frenzy / death spitter on autogun, might be a fun off meta gun build

lyric burrow
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thats what i usually run

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actually

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i usually use it on mk8/comumnus mk 5

cosmic sigil
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I run that or FF stripped down on the brauto

lyric burrow
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its not bad

cosmic sigil
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With the latest robozealot gear. And I walk slowly.

lyric burrow
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the other auto gun i use is like vraks mk 7 which i dont use that on obv

cosmic sigil
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Purposely slowy.

lyric burrow
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i think i have it on braced columnus as well

restive slate
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Robozealot cosmetic looks so damn cool haha

lyric burrow
cyan portal
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What feats do you use with it?

cosmic sigil
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I never used vraks 7 on another class than vet. But god I love the vraks3 on the zealot

lyric burrow
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robocop style

lyric burrow
cosmic sigil
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Yeah I did that just yesterday 😄

lyric burrow
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but the usual

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vraks 7 is goated

cosmic sigil
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Revolver hsword

lyric burrow
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i wanna try it on psyker soon

cosmic sigil
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Yeah.

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I do have a quasi perfect vraks7 on my vet

lyric burrow
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i was about to till they buffed revolver

cosmic sigil
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80 80 25 flak 25 unarmored opening salvo4

lyric burrow
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i need to make a revolver knife build one day

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even tho its ass

lyric burrow
restive slate
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Speedrunner build

lyric burrow
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if i had any horde clear it would be fine

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id have to run AB and rely on that

restive slate
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Still 4 warp charges for AB to kill a horde right? Haha

meager plinth
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yep

cyan portal
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depends which horde

restive slate
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Heard some say the range felt less, not sure

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Mixed hordes definitely not haha

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Bruisers and Stalkers gonna survive

cyan portal
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newly infected are unarmored with lower hp, 4 stack kills. pox walkers are infested with more hp, 4 stack doesn't kill.

restive slate
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Hence the pinning fire autopistol build

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That's why I'm wondering if there's another power blessing build that can help boost AB damage

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For ranged I mean

civic flicker
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I'm late to this conversation, but.

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"hsword"?

cyan portal
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heavy sword, dirty zealots invading out chat

civic flicker
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Ah.

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Oh no. Two Zealots and two Psykers in the same lobby.

warm latch
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Now I just got to get a staff with warp Flurry IV. Don't know how good the 10% ranged damage (Elites) is..

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cyan portal
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probably rip nexus off that one. low resist isn't ideal. elite is fine though, esp good if running aura

warm latch
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already got nexus blessing. spent 750k gold and this was one of the only ones that met requirements

cyan portal
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what were your requirements?

warm latch
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figured I would just run with it till I hit the lotto of rng bs

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76% burn plus with good damage and high cloud radius. Qell is whatever

cosmic sigil
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I don't think low warp res is really a problem

cyan portal
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dmg doesn't really matter

warm latch
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I don't notice a bigg difference from 80% to 54% on warp R

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I know damage is not the stat you really want I just happened to get it with high %

civic flicker
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Yep, we just lost because the zealots didn't grenade the hordes.

cyan portal
cosmic sigil
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That was a crusher horde?

civic flicker
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It 100% was, actually. We had someone go down, and both of them rushed over, didn't grenade the horde, just tried to pick the guy up.

cosmic sigil
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Oh

civic flicker
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And by 'someone', it was the other psyker with a zap-staff.

cyan portal
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what did you do?

civic flicker
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I had a recon las, I was trying to mow down as many as I could and got backed into a corner.

cosmic sigil
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Why didn't you illisi the fuck out of them?

civic flicker
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Wat

cyan portal
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did you ult to stagger horde to help the zealots get off the rez?

cosmic sigil
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I mean why mowing down a horde with a recon?

civic flicker
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Oh, that. Yea, it was on cooldown because I had to brain blast the heavies.

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Other psyker wasn't helping with them.

cyan portal
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was this on heresy?

civic flicker
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It should have been on Malice, that's what I quickplayed for. But I think it was Malice with the elites modifier, because there were a lot of ogryn and gunners.

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Like. 4 to a group.

cosmic sigil
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Good lord

harsh cobalt
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what exactly is the point of wildfire. Yea, it spreads the soulblaze but stacks it transfer deal virtually no damage. On the opposite I'm trying warp battery with purgatus and you deal so much more damage with burn on 6 charges vs 4

cosmic sigil
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That explains

cosmic sigil
cyan portal
civic flicker
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Either way, I got just enough XP to grab the VIIa recon las, so I can mow down hordes effectively now.

harsh cobalt
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it feels like there should be some synergy with wildfire

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but it's not there, or not there yet?

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because just spreading soulblaze that ticks like 2 damage a second seems pointless

cosmic sigil
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You should mow down hordes with melee... Or AB

civic flicker
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Or, I could just go brr and shoot them.

harsh cobalt
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gun psykers are funny. Where are all the useful ones in damnation

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yet to see one

cyan portal
cosmic sigil
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That's not really efficient

cosmic sigil
civic flicker
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I paid for my las-packs, I'm gonna use my damn las-packs.

fluid knot
civic flicker
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I enjoy running a gun-psyker and saving brain blasts for heavies, and melee for when I'm getting mobbed and need to move.

cyan portal
fluid knot
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Gunpsyker is fine till you get to higher tier settings, then its much less fine unless you use Autopistol, an even then, when Pinning Fire gets nerfed, it will gut the build entirely

harsh cobalt
cosmic sigil
cosmic sigil
harsh cobalt
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you can do anything with anything, it doesn't mean it's good. I get the fun aspect of it, but gun psyker is a gimp for a team honestly

fluid knot
cyan portal
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shredder psyker is one of the strongest loadouts in the game

fluid knot
harsh cobalt
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at least those who spend a lot of time in melee are tolerable. Most just vacuum all the ammo on the way, basically destroying ammo economy

civic flicker
cosmic sigil
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Meanwhile I usually get the most disablers and elites killed and the least damage taken... Unless I'm playing with good vets or purge psykers..

cyan portal
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if they nerf power buffs everything meta is going to get hit

fluid knot
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Dont fixate on the scoreboard either, that isnt giving you an effective measure, funny yellow number does not always mean you were useful to the team

spice veldt
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i mean what other metric are you going to use

harsh cobalt
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instead of nerfing they should just think of ways to make completely shitty blessings more appealing to use. For example why would a signature blessing for a chainsword be shit on chainsword? Revv it up should be good. But alas, it's pointless

cosmic sigil
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I only look at damage taken and elites disablers killed

civic flicker
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So is Inner Tranquility worth it for mass-blasting?

fluid knot
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The most relevant thing on the whole scoreboard is damage delt, an thats only for a gauge to see if a loadout is crap or not

spice veldt
fluid knot
cosmic sigil
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It's easy to inflate numbers with horde killing and Spawn camping

cosmic sigil
civic flicker
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Because I was going for soulfire spreading, but I agree that it doesn't seem very effective.

harsh cobalt
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tbh killed elites, and specials is a better metric than trash kills. Killing hordes is really a non issue, and many people just pad their numbers for a...mod? Since game doesn't have a scoreboard. It's funny

fluid knot
# cosmic sigil What?

Thats something every class can do effectively. But psyker has crazy fast clear speed in melee and with ranged options, which is a LOT more helpful in the grand scheme of things than chasing special kills because if they aint kept back, the specials dont die neither

civic flicker
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I also find that killed elites also isn't a very good metric, since it's easy to just swoop in and get the last hit on something someone else had nearly solo'd.

cosmic sigil
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Elites and specials are what is ruining your run if you let them do. Not hordes...

spice veldt
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i mean, if I can kill a special, I'm going to kill their asses

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flamers, mutants, trappers, dogs, etc. are so fucking dangerous

fluid knot
spice veldt
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I am always going to chase those kills if I can

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you can kill specials fine without having to spec into single-target

cyan portal
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reading scoreboard requires understanding roles, if vet isn't topping elite/disabler dmg they are not doing their job, if zealot isn't topping melee dmg they are not doing their job, if purga isn't topping horde clear etc etc.

harsh cobalt
fluid knot
cosmic sigil
spice veldt
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elites/specials pressure you and may come at an inopportune time

spice veldt
harsh cobalt
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packs of normal shooters also spawn randomly

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you can't just always pick your range

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sometimes 15 of them just...show up. Can be behind you

spice veldt
#

they spawn at predetermined points, but they can be hiding in closets

harsh cobalt
#

and they fuck you up so fast due to their stagger

fluid knot
spice veldt
#

you can kill shooter packs with melee

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especially when running the illisi

fluid knot
#

Yep, you can, but its very rare i see people playing psyker ever push shooters to melee tbh

harsh cobalt
#

I mean, sometimes you can. Sometimes you won't be able to

spice veldt
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that's what I do, even if I run the trauma, because I prefer having the toughness regen of melee

fluid knot
#

Agreed, but its not the norm

spice veldt
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but you can do it

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and that's not a build issue

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that's a player issue

harsh cobalt
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but there's no problem shooting trash shooters with revolver though. If I run revolver on vet I still clear shooters, you just have to be a good shot

spice veldt
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whether it's the norm or not is of no concern

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whether you can do it or not is the concern

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and you can

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i can shittalk pub players all day, but that conversation is going to go nowhere at the end of the day

fluid knot
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Absolutely it is, but if the player is running a ranged weapon, they are 90% of the time going to choose to use that over potential death by pushing up

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The point being, you can run a gun on Psyker, but unless you're well above the average skill level, you should avoid it, at least in higher settings

spice veldt
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if you're comfortable enough with melee and the movement system, then you can run it

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you don't need to be skilled to press dodge or crouch

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you just need time

harsh cobalt
#

I'd just avoid it in pubs altogether, because you never know what other people run. You might end up with a horrid team comp and run out of ammo almost instantly

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and then what, you're...melee psyker mostly? Kinda defeats the point of a class tbh

fluid knot
#

You need spatial awareness and the ability to reasses threats on the fly, thats not something that can be expected of most Arco, thats not just pugging, that applies to people learning the class too

spice veldt
steel flame
#

well....i have this now. thanks emperor

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spice veldt
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force swords have the point of infinite dodges; the illisi has powerful hordeclear, good armour mods, and stagger

harsh cobalt
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point being having infinite resource for ranged pressure and crowd control

fluid knot
spice veldt
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yeah and I run the trauma even with a melee focus

cosmic sigil
spice veldt
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because I prefer melee for pushing into ranged enemies for the sole purpose of melee-locking them

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and the toughness regen that I get

fluid knot
#

Most of that, being pugs

harsh cobalt
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I've seen none yet. There's lots of good staff psykers

spice veldt
cosmic sigil
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I'm in Oceania so the pool is small. But every gun psyker I run with are goods. Staff is the mixed bag.

fluid knot
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We're not including people who crutch on autopistol

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In my experience, at best, they're not a nuisance, and at worst they are amongst the most detrimental players you can have, im not sayin you are, im saying most of them are

cosmic sigil
fluid knot
harsh cobalt
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vets with autopistol is a meme. I'm sorry, but there's no point having a vet if he can't hit things quickly and reliably from 20m. For all the things autopistol can do, there's a few it can't

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on zealot I understand

spice veldt
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not much need to engage with things beyond 20m

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ranged enemies don't do that much damage at that range

fluid knot
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It makes more sense on Zealot for sure, but it still lets a lot of players punch way beyond thier weight class

spice veldt
#

I can comfortably engage with ranged enemies at that range in the open with the trauma

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(20m being the limit of the trauma's range)

cosmic sigil
#

Vet shredder should be played aggressively. The real problem is carapace

harsh cobalt
#

there is quite often. If you have a bunch of reapers and gunners just pounding one doorway you could wait for psyker to BB them slowly, or as a vet with a good weapon you could just kill them twice as fast

spice veldt
#

veteran also has unwavering focus

fluid knot
spice veldt
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it's not as though vets couldn't make up the shortcoming of the shredder, and you don't need to hit heads with the shredder to kill

cosmic sigil
#

True. That's why I do not really have fun with shredder vet.

harsh cobalt
#

I do use kant shotty on my vet quite often, it's not amazing in terms of numbers. But it is very fun

spice veldt
#

reapers are a large target, and the autpistol doesn't have good weakspot modifiers anyways

fluid knot
ornate hamlet
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the great mutant clowning of the year 42023

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fluid knot
harsh cobalt
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I just don't see the point. Things shredder can do many other weapons do better on vet. Mk3 helbore will kill armor faster, and it can absolutely destroy carapace. What shredder does extra? Clear a horde? That's a useless trait in a gun for a vet

cosmic sigil
#

i have seen a lot of people shitting on gunpsyker here and vet chat

ornate hamlet
#

It clears hordes real fast

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When I'm in a pinch, I dump the shredder on a horde and watch everything melt

cosmic sigil
#

guys it's not pvp

spice veldt
#

good ease of use (doesn't require headshots), pinning fire, fast reload

ornate hamlet
#

funny stagger values

spice veldt
#

bork ass stagger yeah

harsh cobalt
#

so it's easy to use, I guess that's the main argument

fluid knot
spice veldt
#

in combination with pinning fire and its stagger

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but yes, ease of use is a strong determining factor

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otherwise, the agri IAG would be pretty up there given its high weakspot mods

harsh cobalt
#

I don't run manstopper on kantrael, but it'll kill through hordes regardless

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it will also leave a massive hole in a horde, with just one shot

fluid knot
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Vs any armour type apart from Bulwark shield

harsh cobalt
#

I run fullbore and no respite, it works best for me

fluid knot
#

Also v good

harsh cobalt
#

but honestly even bone stock kantrael with no blessings is pretty decent

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you just have to make your shots count

fluid knot
harsh cobalt
#

it's stagger value is hilarious. Doming a crusher and watching it fly on it's ass never gets old

spice veldt
#

people shit on it but have trouble separating it from a player issue vs a build issue

cosmic sigil
fluid knot
cosmic sigil
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long range, i have bb, so i do not waste ammo trying to snipe

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mutie, i have flayer

spice veldt
#

and not being a chain smoker

cosmic sigil
#

horde i have ab

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and melee

harsh cobalt
fluid knot
fluid knot
cosmic sigil
#

that must be a question of skill because i usually let other feed ammo first

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especially bolter vets and ogryns

harsh cobalt
spice veldt
fluid knot
spice veldt
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i don't think it's weird to say that

cosmic sigil
#

a bad shredder user will be bad on every class

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it's just hidden on vet because you have sustained and more ammo

harsh cobalt
#

I'm working on getting other two shotties with something half decent, I want to have a trio to choose from

fluid knot
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Provided somethin is shooting at me, stam is an absolute non-issue on Vet

spice veldt
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i'm aware that vet doesn't have any trouble against ranged enemies

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esp with the stamina regen mechanic on hit

harsh cobalt
#

honestly if shotties just shot their special round when you press a key for special they'd be used so much more often, and be more viable. This whole thing with loading one round into a chamber each time is so meh. Even lawbringer's meme special would be useful if I could just blast 4-5 of them into a horde quickly

spice veldt
#

but vet has a slightly harder time when caught fighting in melee without space

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stamina is whatever, but it does have that minute effect on safety in melee

fluid knot
fluid knot
harsh cobalt
fluid knot
spice veldt
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i feel more comfortable roaming solo as a psyker than as vet

fluid knot
#

Though i do agree it would help the lawbringer out, not to mention make it stand out as a choice a bit more beyond the other two

spice veldt
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of course, that's just a personal anecdote and what i feel

harsh cobalt
#

honestly vet is too good in melee with psword. I feel like weapons like shovel or chain sword is where he should be. Psword ruins the balance, and makes him also a menace to anything that comes close. It just needs to work like illisi where one charge is one swing

fluid knot
#

Shovel is unironically as good as PSword, though in a different way

harsh cobalt
#

it's...uh, not really?

fluid knot
#

Very high stagger, hits a lot of dudes in a heavy an you can stunlock near on anything, its also hyper mobile

harsh cobalt
#

it's utterly useless vs carapace and unyealding, for once

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yes, you can stunlock a horde. But psword just kills a horde, and all the flak/maniac/carapace inside it

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it's honestly still way too good

fluid knot
#

It has Uncanny btw

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In the pool

harsh cobalt
#

what does that do again

fluid knot
#

Rending on Weakspot hit

harsh cobalt
#

ah, well. If game explained what rending means it'd be swell. Or impact, or any other fancy terms they use in blessings with zero explanation

fluid knot
#

Crushers got a lot of health, but that dont mean a whole lot if you can stunlock them an deal with them with relative impunity

fluid knot
harsh cobalt
#

last I tried shovel doesn't put crushers on their ass easily

spice veldt
#

rending% also alters your stagger, if nothing has changed since

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less than 50% rending, you get less stagger. More than 50% rending, you get more stagger

fluid knot
#

It dont put them on thier ass, but it staggers them enough to not be attacking you (including out of the beginning of spooling attacks), with the special poke, you can juggle two or three and never be touched

harsh cobalt
#

and deal what, like 20 damage with a poke?

#

you'll die of old age by the time you kill them lol

#

psword can just cleave through all of them, and a horde. And be done in seconds

fluid knot
#

The poke is what keeps you safe, the other parts of the moveset are for damage

#

Yes, but PSword also has the mobility of an anemic snail

harsh cobalt
#

shovel deals fuck all to carapace, what other parts. If by that you mean pulling out your ranged weapon then yes

#

both heavies and lights from shovel do very little to carapace

cosmic sigil
#

i'd rather us a caxe with headtaker or decimator

fluid knot
fluid knot
harsh cobalt
#

I mean, caxe is the only weapon coming close to psword. Shovel is situationally good

fluid knot
#

Shovel is one of the best all-round melee weapons in the game imo, great balance between viable offence and effective defence

harsh cobalt
#

either way, I'd rather them bring psword down a notch so there's more variety to see. I'm so tired of psword swinging vets in every single run

fluid knot
#

Can run circles round Spawn an DH with shovel, you aint doin that with C'axe or even remotely with PSword

fluid knot
harsh cobalt
#

you can dodge spawn with spot dodging, apart from grab. Which means it doesn't matter you have more mobility on shovel. Unless you're pressed into a corner you can dodge as effectively with anything

fluid knot
#

Then posted this lil gem..

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fluid knot
#

Its comparable mobility to knife

harsh cobalt
#

just don't dodge spawn purely backwards

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then it doesn't matter tbh

fluid knot
#

Dodgeslide back/diagonally is by far the most effective way to dodge spawn

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Just gotta be cognisent of the map layout

cosmic sigil
fluid knot
cosmic sigil
#

Wow

fluid knot
#

Ik :/

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Saturday night pugs KEKW_ogryn

cosmic sigil
#

Mobility on the psword is... Well it's sad when you're used to axe, Illisi or even hsword (Deimos doesn't count, it's in another plane of existence)

cosmic sigil
fluid knot
#

I can see that too tbh, people been out on the lash an come back totalled an hop on for a few KEKW_ogryn

cosmic sigil
#

That and drunk players

fluid knot
#

Thats exactly what i mean bud 😄

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Sorry, British kek

north solstice
#

do you guys prefer running deimos or illisi with your trauma staves?

spice veldt
#

i run the illisi, though melee is my main weapon and trauma is mostly my enabler/anti-ranged; and I don't run warp absorption so the toughness regen from melee is nice

shadow wigeon
north solstice
#

noted!

spice veldt
#

there's also the stagger of trauma being both a blessing and curse, so I usually use the illisi for my hordeclear unless it's a mixed horde or a spot where they're climbing up/down

shadow wigeon
#

Yeah trauma is great at horde clear until it suddenly isn't, and then Illisi comes in handy.

harsh cobalt
#

my issue with trauma is the same as with similar staff in VT2 - it just throws enemies too far, often they end up behind your allies and you. It just needs to drop enemies to the ground on the spot

shadow wigeon
#

Well, you should practice NOT tossing them forward / or at least begind your lines.

spice veldt
#

i prefer it this way since it's one of those things that boost your win rate but are annoying to use in general

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the stagger allows you to clear yourself for a revive if not running stamina/block eff/kinetic deflection

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and you have the option to just use your melee

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as I do

harsh cobalt
#

you can practice, but sometimes it just does it regardless. Not to mention not blasting it mid horde but on the edge you really don't damage much

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but I do like it

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it's funny to see blobs of enemies just fall apart

lyric burrow
#

@meager plinth i like your revolver build, i ended up going with the WB/Barrage with W&R. First game on it went very well

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score got a little boosted cause one guy left after 3 people died but the game still went very well

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i got lucky and actually got ogryn patrols so i could see W&R with barrage actually work

meager plinth
#

with Illisi?

lyric burrow
#

yeah ran illisi

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so i also ran quietude

meager plinth
#

niiice

lyric burrow
#

yeah it was a lot better than i expected

meager plinth
#

current volver is really good

lyric burrow
#

i wasnt using revolver a lot but when it made sense to use it it worked really well

meager plinth
#

in what scenario were you using it?

lyric burrow
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to pick off one annoying gunner or reaper or w/e

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if i was in melee and something was in the back

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if peril was too high to get a BB off cleanly

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but mostly to pick off elites or gunners that were in a tight spot where BB would have been more awkward

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same with just regular shooters

meager plinth
#

its extremely fun to trivalize shotgunners too

lyric burrow
#

i could have used it instead of BB in some spots but wanna watch the ammo

meager plinth
#

they spawn in groups, so getting multiple per shots is great

lyric burrow
#

yeah the pen is really nice

dark cipher
#

If I have deflector t4 on a Illisis force sword could I earn the blessing and put it on a deimos force sword ?

meager plinth
#

yep, same pattern for both marks

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Blaze force swords

novel osprey
#

Yeah, all force swords share the same blessings.
Quite unexpected when I discovered that but quite welcome.
A shame it's not the case for force staves.

meager plinth
#

because every force staves are a unique pattern

spice veldt
#

as far as i can tell, the latter part of a weapon's name indicates their weapon family

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trauma staffs being distinct from voidstrike staffs

dark cipher
#

OK thank you! I dint wanna Earn it and then not be able to use it

meager plinth
#

the naming convention goes like this

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Name of planet it was manifactured from - Mark number - Pattern name

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which is extremely convoluted for no fuckin reason

dark cipher
#

Uncanny strike is the other blessing I should have right ?

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On deimos

meager plinth
#

not specifically

dark cipher
#

What blessings for deimos then ?

novel osprey
#

Any Force Sword blessings you earned by sacrificing the weapon to Hadron will be shared across all Force Swords that you wish to re-bless.

meager plinth
#

slaughterer, unstable power, shred, deflector and uncanny strike are those that work

meager plinth
#

the 2h one will prob also be a force sword but with a different word at the start

dark cipher
#

So uncanny strike/deflector would not be a good combo ?

meager plinth
#

mostly depends on how you want to use it

dark cipher
#

For single target

meager plinth
#

on crushers?

dark cipher
#

Maniacs & elites

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Or flak and manic

meager plinth
#

id recommend more unstable power with deflector + flak/maniac

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lets you get to the mutie 1shot breakpoint easier

dark cipher
#

And for crushers ?

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What is it unyielding?

meager plinth
#

unyielding is for ogryns and bosses

mental rock
#

carapace

dark cipher
#

Carapace for crushes?

mental rock
#

yes

meager plinth
#

carapace is specifically for mauler's head, crushers and some specific bodypart of reapers and bulkwarks

dark cipher
#

Okay

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So unstable power instead of uncanny strike ?

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I only have t3 though SMH

meager plinth
#

experiment with both, tho unstable power has more common use than uncanny

dark cipher
#

Okay 👍

#

Ey thanks a bunch guys

meager plinth
#

also, fun lil tidbit

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since rending is a self buff, it can work with active soulblaze stacks

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letting you damage crushers with the damage over time

dark cipher
#

With the flame staff ?

meager plinth
#

yep purgatus

dark cipher
#

Srry forgot the actual name

#

There you go

meager plinth
#

dw, the naming convention isnt easy

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its gonna get even worst the more marks we get

dark cipher
#

Lol

#

Fr

#

I'm running a surge I don't really like the flame one

meager plinth
#

its easy to say purgatus rn but when we will have 2 other marks for that pattern it will suck

dark cipher
#

Haha true

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When ever that is anyway lol at this rate maybe Nov for another weapone update 😅

meager plinth
#

its anyone's guess at this point

ornate hamlet
meager plinth
#

finess is a bit too low on that dueling sword and you are gonna need every bit of it

#

get that shred 4 tho, that one is really good

steel flame
#

So I have this now. Thanks emprah...I guess

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meager plinth
# ornate hamlet

for that force staff you can replace blazing spirit by transfer peril to counterbalence the low warp resist

meager plinth
steel flame
#

Yea

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Guess I'll put shred on it when I get shred 4

meager plinth
#

which one you replace?

restive slate
#

Is it safe to say, Darktide is going to be updateless for the next month plus?

meager plinth
#

The next month, pretty likely

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We will maybe be told when the next comms link is this week

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Or the next

harsh urchin
#

sweden gets their month of for summer

restive slate
#

Let's see if Darktide survives this lol

deft gorge
#

ive been waiting months to use this revolver, time to brick it

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plucky flax
brisk lintel
#

does block efficiency affect kinetic deflector?

spice veldt
#

ye

brisk lintel
#

that's nice

near wyvern
harsh cobalt
#

I just think there's some interaction that should be in place that would synergize with the amount of targets affected by soulblaze

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like maybe giving you +1% of...damage? Peril resist? Burn tick damage for each target affected by soulblaze?

#

then wildfire would make sense, maybe even in it's current state

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so if you set 20 enemies on fire the burn damage ticks for 20% more. It would only make sense, well it does to me

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would add a little bit of something to a whole soulblaze thing. As of now it's just kinda...there. Unless it comes from a staff it seems pointless

near wyvern
#

Revolver is somewhat viable now. This is damnation hi stg, we failed at the last event cause the veterans splitted up from the team.

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shadow quartz
near wyvern
robust sierra
#

is the voidstrike staff any good?

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also what's the best melee for psyker in your guys' opinion? If force sword, which variant?

spice veldt
#

voidstrike has hordeclear, range, and suppression, but it doesn't deal with elites/specials all that well which is a strong mark against it, at least in my book

robust sierra
#

I see

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I asked yesterday I think, the best staff is trauma right?

spice veldt
#

i would personally say so because of its rather generalist nature

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its range is not much a problem given that the only Psyker subclass has Brain Burst in its back pocket

near wyvern
spice veldt
#

and ranged enemies don't do all that much damage at 20m (the end of trauma's range)

robust sierra
#

what would you guys say is the best staff for psyker?

robust sierra
spice veldt
#

purgatus and trauma
deimos and illisi

near wyvern
robust sierra
#

what's the difference between the two swords?

near wyvern
#

the easiest to use effectively is purgatus

robust sierra
#

I'm still a beginner psyker so I've yet to get many perks and blessings, yet

spice veldt
#

deimos has some stabs in its light/heavy combo that deal bonus damage
illisi has a special with a different damage profile and cleave that is extremely good

robust sierra
#

also is the obscurus force sword the worst?

near wyvern
robust sierra
spice veldt
#

comparatively yes

robust sierra
#

I'll take a look at that

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ok that mostly solves everything

#

thanks again

robust sierra
#

couldn't even try out my new gear cause the game disconnected me :/

harsh gust
#

good upgrade?

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safe crystal
#

No. Perks are worse, stats are slightly better, no desirable T4 blessing on it. Not worth the milkies

inland sand
# harsh gust good upgrade?

Worth considering. The only perk that you really need on this weapon is 25 Vs maniacs and it has native deflector which means you can add on unstable power which is imo the best blessing combo for this weapon.

#

The stats actually do matter as well on this weapon for hitting breakpoints as well

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Idk if 8% Vs elites does anything. I'd test it Vs the crusher

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If it doesn't 15 Vs sprint speed isn't awful.

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You'll lose some damage Vs bosses but that's not the worst trade for optimal blessing combo

cyan portal
harsh gust
#

Ty yall

restive slate
#

I keep getting error 2014, I cant play Darktide as everyone is Tposing and walking through walls

#

Anyone else or is it just me?

digital loom
# harsh gust good upgrade?

change riposte to unstable and sprint to maniac and then you have a deflector sword until you find something better

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or you can just keep rolling swords on your own, you'll get one like that eventually

harsh gust
#

Ive got a quite good illisi

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Deflectort3 and slaughter t4 iirc

inland sand
#

That's what you want

plucky flax
#

I run deflector slaughterer on both deimos and illisi staregryn

olive ember
#

Same

near wyvern
#

Unstable is the one you want on Deimos, the other blessing is then Slaughter/Deflector

olive ember
#

Eh I feel like slaughterer > unstable

#

I guess depends on how you use the deimos but literally 1 slaughterer = 3 unstable, and you only need 2 kills to outperform

restive slate
#

Okay something weird, I keep crashing as Vet when I change to my ranged weapon. So far happened with Helbore Mk 1 and 2

olive ember
#

Never heard of that happening before ngl

restive slate
#

Ok it might be with Crosshair remap mod, I'll see if its on/off

#

Confirmed its Crosshair Remap mod

wheat quartz
#

siblings, what have your experiences been with warp absorption on a "I camp illisi" style

cosmic sigil
#

excellent

#

i use either that or quietude

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if i run exorcist or deflector it's the one i take

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for everything else, warp asbsorb

inland sand
#

I use Warp Absorption on Trauma and Purgatus, love it on both of those. Feels great on both of those as it allows you to be aggressive and shits toughness in the process

olive ember
#

I prefer the consistency of Quietitude regen

inland sand
#

Quietude is fine on Surge and I guess? Voidstrike but on the other two it just takes away your tempo against shooters

spice veldt
#

trauma is pretty good against shooters I feel already

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but I also run 3 toughness and kinetic shield, so I'm not hurting that much during combat

inland sand
#

It's more than if they shoot you while you are casting and you lose toughness, you blow them all up and get that toughness back to 100.

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I also run 3 toughness, and being below 100% on my psyker never feels comfortable

spice veldt
#

yeah having that burst tough ess is amazing

inland sand
#

Feels very nice

#

Very safe

spice veldt
#

I do have a bad habit of not using my trauma sometimes, so I haven't taken full advantage of warp absorption when I ran it

wheat quartz
#

I'm asking because I'm testing it out with Illisi/Trauma and 3 toughness curios and it feels really good

inland sand
#

Those games where you become the charging blue circle

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Almost meditative

wheat quartz
#

Soulblaze kills proc it, right?

spice veldt
#

always fun to be in situations where you have to trauma yourself

#

ye

inland sand
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They do ye

crude cape
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whats your guys favorite feats for trauma?
ive been using 312233 with a focus on my illi

but kind of want to try a more trauma-focused build. wondering if I want Inner tranquility or nah

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arco the 312233 build i adapted was yours i think right lol

olive ember
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There’s a warp flurry build and a blazing crit build

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Prob ask @spice veldt and @near wyvern respectively

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Just don’t listen to arcotash when he preaches about focused channeling

crude cape
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feel like the crit build is gimmicky, maybe tho i should farm it to try it need a weapon with the blessing

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ya the current build im using is arcos, ive just been using it for so many weeks now i kinda forgot what the 'normal' staff build is. its like 311113 or 321113 i guess right

feral verge
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I have played with arco and I've seen him take damage and go down

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So his opinion is invalid and cannot be trusted

olive ember
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TRUE

lethal folio
spice veldt
feral verge
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That was a heroic moment

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Showcasing my chivalry, bravery and courage

crude cape
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been thinking of trying a +3 stamina curio

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but been running 3x toughness recently

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what sub stats are critical, do you guys run toughness regeneration speed for psyker? and is more than 1 good, or if i have more than 1 should i swap it for maybe a sniper resist or base 5% more tough?

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i spent so long rocking 3x HP

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and thinking it was good

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lol

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questioning all my curios now

fluid knot
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3HP is good

crude cape
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i used to like it, but arco convinced me to swap to toughness

fluid knot
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Its no less viable than running x3 toughness

crude cape
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and i think i like it better

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but my toughness curios, substat-wise, aren't as good

fluid knot
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As for stam it has its uses, but it wont buy you much survivability unless you're already capable of doing missions with basically zero damage taken

crude cape
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im thinking of swapping a gunner resistance to sniper resistance.
Then I have a 30% toughness regeneration speed. Is it worth it? Wondering if im better off rocking 5% toughness, or a 2nd sniper resist...
also have a locked 4% combat ability regeneration, feel like stacking a 2nd would make it more useful

fluid knot
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Toughness regen is BiS secondary perk regardless of your layout

crude cape
crude cape
fluid knot
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Ideally, on all three

crude cape
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3x O.o

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really?

fluid knot
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Its a passive DPS increase because you aint gotta pull yourself out of combat to regen so often

crude cape
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doesnt it ONLY benefit the in coherency regen?

fluid knot
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It does, but you shouldnt be outside of coherancy all the time anyway

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Particularly not when you've only got a small HP pool

crude cape
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lol found sniper resis 298/299 rerolls

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ok ill have to try running multiple

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i have 1x 30% toughness rn

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don't make fun of me I don't have any 17% toughness curios lol, they NEVER drop. I've even spent melk bucks when i approach 20k. I rolled curios down to 15k and got 0 17% toughness

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ofc not perfect, but any obvious rerolls?

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gonna work on replacing the one with combat regeneration first. Ideally that would be 30% toughness, a 5% toughness, and a second sniper resist or maybe gunner. I would love to have 17% toughness, and a +5% toughness on every one

fluid knot
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They're alright yea

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Bit of a shame about the one on the left coz poxhound resist is utterly worthless, as is comb' regen

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But yeah, they're good enough

crude cape
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oh i didn't know pox hound resis was useless

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figured it helped a bity

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and ya 3% is like, <a second lol

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hunting for a replacement

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i recently switched off much better 3x HP

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i blame Arco

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we played and i saw him using max toughness and tried it, now gotta start the curio grind again

fluid knot
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Curio grind is horrendous, they'd lessen some of the awful impact of RNG if they were to unlock just the curios alone

plucky flax
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I also run 3x hp

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260 hp psyker whatthefuck_heresy

meager plinth
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Btw for feats do you go top to bottom or bottom to top when saying the numbers?

plucky flax
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Top to bottom

fluid knot
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Yup

lunar hollow
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side to side bb

steel flame
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I like down to up just to sow Chaos

meager plinth
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Gotta keep chaotic

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Never let those witch seekers know your next move

lyric burrow
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Why are people so opposed to nerfing the blantantly broken stuff in the game (pinning fire/slaughterer/headtaker + rampage hsword)

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Like am i just the crazy one who thinks this stuff invalidates the game too much

fluid knot
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Because they're idiots

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Sorry, but its true

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The concept of effective game balance is utterly alien to many people, they just want power fantasies an nothing more

harsh urchin
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and they dont know how game balance works

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it's the same people

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who review bombed the game when the PS nerfs came

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i think there are a few here

fluid knot
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yeah that^

harsh urchin
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not gonna call out any names

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but you can simply tell

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by the way they talk

white sky
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Let em burn

shadow onyx
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slaughterer is not a priority like pinning fire in a sense PF is ranged and need less commitment, melee will always be risk and reward in despite of thoses who say "lol i clear full melee t5 HI with grey catachan"

harsh urchin
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Slaughterer is a priority lol

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I think that 75% is giga overtuned

fluid knot
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There is just no reason to have any blessing go beyond 25% capped power or damage

harsh urchin
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It should be 20-25 max

fluid knot
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^

harsh urchin
shadow onyx
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slaughterer is not a priority, the ilisi design is stupid itself

lyric burrow
harsh urchin
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I dont think illisi design is stupid lol

shadow onyx
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its basicaly power sword

harsh urchin
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Illisi is overtuned because of slaught

shadow onyx
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ilisi core is OP

harsh urchin
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Baseline illisi is supposed to be good against hordes

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But slaught lets it kill everything

lyric burrow
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illisi just does its job with no slaught

harsh urchin
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Actually clueless redditors smh

shadow onyx
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put slaughterer on thammer, even x5 it still suck ass vs horde it just maes its barely ok in horde

lyric burrow
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slaught it what makes it braindead and one shot everything

full bane
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I’ve played a heresy match with a white illisi and I had no problems

fluid knot
harsh urchin
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Heresy

lyric burrow
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it shouldnt have good horde clear

full bane
lyric burrow
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same way illisi shouldnt kill non trash the way it does

shadow onyx
harsh urchin
fluid knot
shadow onyx
harsh urchin
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Superiority condition is fair at 75%, slaughterer i think needs to be 20-25% to be fair

fluid knot
lyric burrow
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yeah blessings are balanced weirdly with conditions

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its either specific or you get it naturally

fluid knot
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Like an almost always on 25% is still going to be a net positive on a very temporary, and very hard to reach 75% simply because ease of use which still leaves the blessing in the effectively "will not bother with" puddle

harsh urchin
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If you kill 1-2 elites, which is standard case; you're already competitive with a 25% boost thats easy to fulfill

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But if theres a case where theres like 10 ragers, you can stack it hard

fluid knot
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Aye but comparing that to Slaughterer being at 25% thats gonna be basically always on which is where the issue lies, you'd always be better off with that than with Superiority

harsh urchin
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Then put slaught at 20% instead

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Idk i think it can be adjusted

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Just fatshark doesnt have it as a priority

shadow onyx
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you delusional, 20% is irrelevant

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even with headtaker x20 i cannot os a fucking shooter with thammer

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x5

fluid knot
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Eh, maybe, im not sure, but yeah given its conditional nature Superiority is largely irrelevant vs many other things because uptime on blessings across a level is gonna be significantly better an thusly your overall output over said mission will be vastly higher

shadow onyx
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instead of nerfing better to start buff wonki weps like evis

lyric burrow
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i think nerfing stuff as well as buffing the really bad stuff would be best

fluid knot
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A good balance team would do both together

shadow onyx
lyric burrow
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i dont want bad weapons but i also dont want hi int shock troop invalidated

fluid knot
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Nerf the problem setups and bring the bad ones a bit more up to speed with the desired power level

harsh urchin
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Its absolutely not irrelevant

lyric burrow
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esp with how easy it is to get

shadow onyx
harsh urchin
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People use unstable on deimos for example to hit mutang bp

fluid knot
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At the end of the day though, until they shit out the console release, we're not going to see much in the way of balancing, that will probably be their first port of call after tho

harsh urchin
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20% power is not irrelevant lol

shadow onyx
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it is for some wepaons

fluid knot
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Yeah far from irrelevant, im with Dis on this one

harsh urchin
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Its your redditor brain talking

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Lololol

lyric burrow
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20% power on weapons like illisi/BB/Psword/deimos would still be good

shadow onyx
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and for other it still will suck

fluid knot
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It would on anything that could roll a 20% blessing

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Its still free damage

white sky
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If you need a 100 percent damage boost on your weapon to use it, either you, the weapon, or both is the issue

fluid knot
shadow onyx
harsh urchin
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Huh

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Uwotm8

lyric burrow
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I dont think +20% power is bad we are just used to +fucking 260% damage increase on Hsword

harsh urchin
fluid knot
harsh urchin
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People are just too used to 75-100%

plush fossil
white sky
lyric burrow
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i think doubling power in general is too much like

white sky
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Absolutely nobody needs slaughterer or PF to do well if they're actually good

lyric burrow
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that doesnt even sound like an intended design

full bane
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Paul on Ogryn uwugryn

shadow onyx
full bane
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Love the Paul

harsh urchin
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But ya theyre probably scared to do nerfs

lyric burrow
harsh urchin
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Cuz theyll get review bombed again

lyric burrow
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oh nvm

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pinning

full bane
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I use bb a lot on Ogryn but I take frequent breaks from it to use other weapons

white sky
shadow onyx
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better to dev xbox version t han fix pc hu

full bane
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Vets are going to MALD when pinning gets nerfed in like 2 years

white sky
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As a Vet main, gut pinning

shadow onyx
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they already malding for psword

white sky
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PS is still broken

shadow onyx
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yeah

lyric burrow
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100%

shadow onyx
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its core design broken

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not bless

lyric burrow
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i use rashaad axe or catachan on vet instead

harsh urchin
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I actually think PS is fine lmao

lyric burrow
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not that rashaad isnt also insane

harsh urchin
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It dumpsters ypur mobility

full bane
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Power Maul and Kickback on Ogryn is my second most used loadout

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It’s so much fun

harsh urchin
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So you're absolutely terrible against certain situations

ornate hamlet
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okay hear me out on this one

white sky
harsh urchin
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Like bosses

ornate hamlet
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the staff special changes it into a full melee moveset

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you're now a space monk

shadow onyx
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you are terrible in 0.01 % situation what a major downside

lyric burrow
white sky
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I use a Tac Axe