psyker-class

[hoary badge]

I just force dodge behind my teammates kekw

[spice veldt]

i endorse this strategy

[burnt maple]

servers have been great today, had a game earlier with a 5th bot the entire time lol

[pine relic]

I'm not saying it's shit; I always use surge at hi int but not on hi int shock troops. In the last game I played, I joined a game with three teammates who had died. I had to immediately deal with three crushers, two bulwarks, and one rager. After that, I went upstairs and soloed another shock troop, dogs, mutants, and flamers. Then after i could revive my teammates, another shock troop appeared. What would you have done with purgatus in this situation?

[harsh urchin]

i think purg is good lol

if i see a teammate with purg i dont get annoyed

[burnt maple]

i like the Purg

[harsh urchin]

i do get annoyed when i see teammates with the zealot flamer tho

[hoary badge]

Hold X to discard

[pine relic]

The zealot probably feels the same

[cyan portal]

solo'd the things then rezed them?

[pine relic]

no shit sherlock

[hoary badge]

Tbf outside of maybe Trauma, not like the other staves could have salvaged the situation

[cyan portal]

us deimos + dot ticks for crushers, deimos 1 shot for muties, purga for everything else

[pine relic]

It rewards only 40000 gold, and you need to spend more than half an hour with an exhausting play style. That's why I say I hope they bring a better weapon.

[burnt maple]

what's the perk/blessings for blaze trauma? aside from Blazing Spirit? I assume +5 crit/Nexus?

[hoary badge]

Nexus 4 is a must

5% crit and flak is safe perk rolls for me

[burnt maple]

do you just spam fully charged? i assume you're doing 2/1/1/1/1?

[hoary badge]

Quick charges are enough to spread blaze, blaze procs outside the epicenter

[burnt maple]

Wildfire or no?

[hoary badge]

Its a toss up between Battery and Warpfire

[burnt maple]

hmm i'll try it out, i think i have a blaze staff laying around

[hoary badge]

Battery has a niche of inflicting huge dot bursts following up Blazing procs with Ascendant Blaze

Wildfire is as it implies, the fire and forget option

No fuss no muss

Probably the best build to take the feat on, due to stack redundancy with Purgs

[limpid breach]

Is blaze staff any good on damnation?

[spice veldt]

it's good at killing everything that's not a crusher or shielded bulwark, provided that you can get them into the range of your fire

[cyan portal]

what does perfect blazing trauma look like? ie, which stat to dump

[spice veldt]

oh i don't run a blazing spirit trauma myself; i know that people like zazymomba and mmmiles do though

pygex would also have some input

my initial thought would be that damage is fine to dump

[cyan portal]

6 stack soulblaze can't be all the dmg though surely?

[whole oxide]

dump quell

[near wyvern]

Quell speed is the dump stat, damage and warp resist are not important but you don't want them to be like 30%, charge rate and blast radius need to be around 78-80%

And warp nexus 4 is a must, +5% crit chance perk as well

[cyan portal]

does blast radius effects range of soulblaze application?

[near wyvern]

Everything that gets tickled by the outer radius when you crit is set ablaze so totally

[near wyvern]

I run the feats 311112, the damage comes from trauma + the blaze effect when you have 6 stacks up. A single proc (3 stacks) wouldn't be enough to kill things but since they get hit by the trauma outer explosion as well they should weaken enough that they will die.

With warp nexus 4 and +5% crit chance and 80+ peril you have a 9% chance to get two crits in a row which results in 6 stacks and is death to all but elites/specials. Note that this deals like half of mauler HP worth of damage.

The combination of AB and battery gives you an oh shit button to have 6 stacks on the go but if you have time to fish for a proc before using that, it's a couple seconds and all but crushers will be gone.

The beauty of blue fire trauma is that you can place your epicenter to cover a spot (med kit, downed player, choke) and still deal ok damage.

[cyan portal]

Guessing infested into crit?

[shadow wigeon]

I just took it through HISTG, and it's worth saying that on top of all the soulblaze notes Pygex shared, it's also just a really strong staff on it's own.

It does have a bit of a skill floor though. It's not always obvious to players what Trauma is doing when you first start using it. You really need to get a sense for what charge level is required for killing what targets.

[limpid breach]

Thanks for all that info

[plucky flax]

Damn gonna try and make a blaze trauma today.

Still need to grind for slaughterer 4 on force sword.

[cyan portal]

ngl it feels a bit underwhelming in the psychanium

[shadow wigeon]

Agreed. I play it for fun, but it's good enough to use on histg, so?...

[near wyvern]

It's not your top DPS staff but it's extremely versatile, the only enemy it cannot deal with is a mutant (and for that I carry the one shot Deimos). It's extremely defensive staff while still being able to kill targets efficiently enough to solo carry if needed.

[shadow wigeon]

@cyan portal the argument for it is also compared to the other blessings. Flurry/Rending are good, but they are not (woops) swinging the needle enormously (on Trauma).
Blazing makes short charges do something (sometimes...) which are otherwise pretty mediocre on trauma.

[faint sigil]

what's the requirements for mutie oneshot deimos

headshot heavy? or are you charging

[cold geode]

second heavy, with +25 maniac

and whatever arcotash says

[spice veldt]

with 4 warp charges, +25% maniac, warp unleashed, and an 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/first target deimos, you'll need at least 75% peril to one-shot a mutant with the 2nd heavy

here's a demo at 72% peril with the aforementioned conditions, and you'll see that a little more peril would've let me one-shot the mutant https://streamable.com/zftlb9

you'll have to work out the math for your specific build, but that should give you the gist of things

[faint sigil]

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/merlin-william-papadin-youtube-dance-disco-gif-22205351

[plucky flax]

That's too hard. I'm noob so I just special heavy 1 mutie then finish it off with l1 h2.

Also my sword doesn't have maniac veri sad.

[faint sigil]

@spice veldt ideal second blessing on that?

[spice veldt]

unstable power is the usual recommendation if you're looking for something offensive

i don't use the deimos myself, so other people will have better input than me

[plucky flax]

1 million kills autopistol gigachad in the lobby.

[near wyvern]

Depends a lot on stat rolls, +20 maniac as minimum and then the rest depends on your build. Warp Unleashed is kind of mandatory.

You should go to meat grinder and rest what peril you need for what amount of warp charges as it is specific to that exact sword.

I run Unstable Power 4 as well, helps a lot

With my sword I need like 30-40% peril with 5 warp charges and it has +20 maniac.

[harsh urchin]

get 25%

then you only need 4 charges

[near wyvern]

I have it on my other sword

+25 maniac, +8 special, unstable 4 slaughterer 4 is on my Deimos for void

[inland sand]

It's the best staff so that isn't surprising

Blazing build sounds like a fun meme

[digital loom]

warp resistamce, usually

void blaze is kind of interesting if you cancel

objectively better at fire application because of the rate of fire

but i prefer surge on void

its very satisfying to hear

[lethal folio]

Voidstrike often applies max stacks with projectile impact and explosikn

[inland sand]

this is my deimos. At 5 stacks of WC, NOT running Warp Unleashed at 10, it 1 shot head shots (heavy hit) muties. It can't 1 shot body shot them unless I run Warp Unleashed. If I do hit the body shot on them, however, the light stab follow up immediately kills them.

So, depending on your build and how lucky you get, you should still be able to kill them incredibly quickly/reliably without too much danger to yourself

pretty sure that Uncanny Strike is what gives it the head shot 1 shot though

ha, it can also 2 shot a Mutie with headshots by just using light 1 into heavy 2 combo (both thrust attacks)

lol and it can apparently do that at 3+ Warp Charges

Man I love the Deimos

[plucky flax]

[near wyvern]

In terms of applying soulblaze to random targets, sure, however the problem with void is that void (and trauma) deal more DPS the more you charge your shots. The moment you start properly charging the void shots your balls per minute drops dramatically and at that point the huge AOE of trauma makes it better at applying fire while dealing damage as well.

[near wyvern]

Blazing spirit is still the preferred choice for crit void. You have two problems for surge:

• you can quell cancel the surge proc by accident
• your extra damage continues in the same line with the original shot, often resulting in hitting mostly walls

The blazing spirit proc tends to do more damage than a secondary cast since it applies damage to the sides and you don't have the risk of nullifying the effect on quell cancel.

[near wyvern]

It's not. Uncanny strike only increases your heavy damage against carapace and nothing else.

For force swords

[near wyvern]

Yes. Deimos is love.

[inland sand]

Uncanny not effecting special charge shots but is 100% affecting my damage on lights and heavies across all armour targets with uncharged shots

the cool thing is uncanny applies 4 stacks with a special attack so if you don't kill it with the special you definitely do with the follow up

hmm, scrap that, weirdly just Maniac and Carapace

definitely working on Maniac though

why is Maniac considered armour but Flak isn't... wth Fatshark

[cyan notch]

all armour is armour

[spice veldt]

deimos l1 just happens to deal 100% damage to Flak

[inland sand]

ahhhh that makes sense

but then why doesn't rending work on UY?

[spice veldt]

UY?

[inland sand]

Unyielding

[spice veldt]

all force sword attacks also deal at least 100% damage to unyielding

[inland sand]

well there you go

we learning out here today

[spice veldt]

armour mods on force swords are surprisingly good

[near wyvern]

Lights yes, heavies no. Check the damage tables, only carapace has different damage for the heavy. You can also go to meat grinder and test.

It's definitely not affecting heavies on maniacs

[inland sand]

so if it's literally affecting 2 things, one being attacks vs carapace, and lights on Maniacs, is it even worth it?

[whole oxide]

on FS, not really, too many other good options for the opportunity cost

[inland sand]

might as well just get Slaughterer or Unstable Power and call it a day

[whole oxide]

i mean, its not pointless, it helps vs crushers, but there are better options

[near wyvern]

I agree. Also, you should never melee a crusher unless you have to. Remember that you have the push attack to make them sit on their ass. Use it and gain some distance if you can.

Crusher and mauler overheads will bleed through so in case you mess a dodge you are most likely dead in one hit.

[whole oxide]

definitely been gimped before by going in to FS-special what I thought was a mauler, which turned out to be 4 maulers all stacked inside each other

[cyan notch]

if ur team is fightning them in close range i just special them

faster stunlock than bb

[fierce lantern]

what perks and blessing do i want on a trauma staff?

warp flurry and rending shockwave?

flak and unarmored or flak and carapace

or maniac somewhere

[lethal folio]

flak unarmoured the best general perks, Blessings are flexible on trauma

[plucky flax]

Blaze meme build.

[fierce lantern]

good enough

[plucky flax]

Don't you want warp nexus for the big crit?

[whole oxide]

only need crit for blazing build, otherwise trauma crits are kinda pointless

[plucky flax]

[inland sand]

someone who understands

Flurry and Inner Tranquility are the way on Trauma

[inland sand]

Imo Warp Flurry and Focused Channelling

Rending Shockwave is also fine, as it helps your team. But Focused Channelling will stop you getting stunned out of casts vs shooters, which can and will kill you

[fierce lantern]

whats focused channeling do?

ah

[inland sand]

stops you being interrupted while charging

[vagrant hollow]

what is inner trainquility?

[near wyvern]

Second column second feat

Reduces peril costs based on warp charges

You need it on flurry trauma to get it going

Also run warp battery with it

[vagrant hollow]

oh i thought he meant some blessing 😄 i was like wtf is he talking about

i tried trauma with trainquility but you just lack that 1 shot on flamers I think

[olive ember]

@spice veldt

[tropic vigil]

Does anyone know if they added a officiL title to the "rejects unite" sound track and if it were added to spotify?

[inland sand]

it really doesn't matter

it's trade you make to have 10+ full charge explodes in a row

there was once a time where u couldn't even 1BB flamers because they hadn't buffed Warp Unleashed

that wasn't even that long ago

[vagrant hollow]

dont know about spotify but its on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tE3fL_vq04&ab_channel=Kestrel

[tropic vigil]

Yea that's the only one I can find though I refuse to pay for YouTube premium
More waiting I suppose

[vagrant hollow]

you know you can download youtube revanced right?

[hard breach]

Illisi isn't too bad, what do you guys prefer? Illisi or Deimos?

[shadow onyx]

deimos is smoother imo

[whole oxide]

depends what ranged you're putting it with, illisi with surge/gun, deimos with void/trauma/purg

[inland sand]

Deimos all day

[hard breach]

Been using surge really. With Deimos last i used it it was with Trauma

[inland sand]

i don't really get all the Illisi swooning

[hard breach]

Just now it with was Illisi with surge

[inland sand]

takes too long to put down a Mutie

[hard breach]

Was useful dealing with horde because of the wide sweeps

[hard breach]

Eh, i settled with just making sure it had 0% chance to actually do something to my teammates

even if they didn't kill it

immediately, that is

[inland sand]

it's very good at killing hordes but that isn't something I really value on the Psyker's melee weapon

I'll use it sometimes if I run Surge

but even then, you can kill hordes just fine with a Slaughterer Deimos, just a bit more nuanced

[hard breach]

It came with blazing spirit and slaughterer so i thought i'd just try it out to see how often it crits for blazing spirit.

So i'll stick with slaughterer Deimos i think, since i also have Deflector on that

[inland sand]

Deimos does seem to really do it all. The light thrust heavy thrust combo just nails specials and elites, slaughterer kills hordes, and the special charged heavy to 1 shot the muties

gotta love that shit

Deflector is so good as well

[hard breach]

I can do this, i just don't often get the chance to, lol

Usually dead before it gets into range

[inland sand]

the mutie?

[fluid knot]

I actually kinda wonder what both the Illisi and Deimos are gonna be like after Slaughterer is hit with the nerf bat

Which is pretty likely

[inland sand]

i have had some crazy spawns on HISG where u get a conga line of 4-5 muties in a row

[inland sand]

Deimos will be okay, my current one has uncanny strike/deflector and is fine

Illisi will suffer a bit I think

but tbh nerf slaughterer it's a stupid blessing

in fact just scrap all current blessings and redesign, make deflector a psyker feat

call it a day

[fluid knot]

I agree, down to 20% and make it just damage, not power

Tbh i would like to see all the "power" blessings changed to just damage

Else they will always be BiS

[inland sand]

my prediction is they will carry on 'band-aid' fixing crafting while they develop a better system in the background

[fluid knot]

Hm.. could be interesting if it was added to the peril block skill, would make it more competative too

[inland sand]

that hopefully looks something like DRGs

[fluid knot]

Lets be frank here, that would be the long term best decision they could make

[inland sand]

do u mean the peril block feat column?

[fluid knot]

No, i mean the actual feat itself

[inland sand]

lol, that's all I run

what do other people run?

[plucky flax]

I like both illisi and deimos. Illisi clears horde faster so I pair it with surge. Deimos with purg and trauma(when I can craft myself a good one).

Illisi light spam when you are solo against horde. Special heavy 1 spam there's another mate with you.

I have deflector and slaughter on both swords.

[inland sand]

Illisi light spam with Slaughterer reminds me a lot of Zealot H Sword with Headtaker

[fluid knot]

Kinetic shield personally, but i live on brainbursts so its kinda helpful when it comes to shooter clear/BB on large elite or specialist squads

[inland sand]

is that the toughness DR one?

[plucky flax]

Yeah but less cleave yet infinite dodges.

It's an alright trade off. I wouldn't hate it if I got illisi on zealot.

[inland sand]

infinite dodges are so, so good

i live on those as psyker because of the slide mechanic

[plucky flax]

Zealot with many damage buff + 20% attack speed at super low hp + 10% passive attack speed buff.

[inland sand]

oooooooo boy here i go sliding again

[plucky flax]

OP man.

[inland sand]

i love that combo

[plucky flax]

That would easily take out muties.

[inland sand]

but I don't run HSword with it, prefer THammer or Caxe

not really a HSWord fan but I see the appeal

[plucky flax]

When I am bored I run antax without bm.

[inland sand]

chad

[plucky flax]

75% power increase.

[fluid knot]

Yessir, saves getting quite so peppered by ranged

[plucky flax]

OP 2 targets cleave.

[inland sand]

i guess different approaches to the same problem, i've always just run Deflector/ BE / KD

and either ran from/charged into shooters

will have to try Kinetic Shield out on the Surge build

if I were to change a talent on that column it would Mind in Motion, can't really see a reason for that existing

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats it, the skill kinda hinges on running Deflector at least for the most part, i dont run it myself so the skill holds less value than KS, yeah i agree with Mind in Motion, its a very weird skill given you shouldnt ever be in a position you need the movement speed when quelling an if one is, well thats a mistake

[inland sand]

i feel like I've never once had the thought 'man I wish I could run faster while I quell'

usually when I'm quelling it's because there are enemies frantically pouring into my vision

[fluid knot]

Pretty much an even then.. particularly when running Voidstike you have "Peril Transfer" on headshots which more or less totally removes the need to actively quell

[inland sand]

i finally got a good Voidstrike! man it's so fun!

not perfect but not too shabby

[fluid knot]

Awh fuck ye, thats pretty juiced right there

[ornate hamlet]

?

[idle aurora]

Terrifying barrage on purgatus is a meme, or can be useful?

[lethal folio]

dead blessing

[idle aurora]

You mean it actually doesn't work? Or just trash

[lethal folio]

It can only trigger on direct damage, and purgatus already applies massive suppression.

[burnt maple]

Terrifying Barage only works on the scab and dreg little shooters (that matter) and only stops them for about a second. Take it into the psykanium for express disappointment. Terrifying Barage is garbage

[strong thicket]

I assume this will work decently enough? Any other perk & blessings combos should I look for?

[safe crystal]

I'd change the maniacs to flak, so you hit the breakpoints for pothead oneshots, and scab gunner 2 shots. Maniac damage in general isnt great on voidstrike.

The other things you can do with VS is go for the blazing spirit/nexus low charge spam (harder to use for about the same effectiveness), or nexus/surge, which lets you sometimes one shot things in exchange for infinite spam, and toughness regen if you run quietitude

[harsh urchin]

i would scrap it and start over

charge rate is too low

[burnt maple]

It's workable, but I would keep looking for a staff with charge rate

[safe crystal]

Why are you people gaslighting him? Thats literally a 0.05 seconds slower charge rate than a staff with 77% charge rate

[burnt maple]

Then I redact my comment, staff is fine! I didn't know the difference was that low

[harsh urchin]

how is it gaslighting? I dont think charge rate is an acceptable stat to dump

[burnt maple]

If the difference is that low, it's fine

[safe crystal]

The only stat that matters on a voidstrike quite literally is damage. Everything else is within 0. seconds, or completely pointless (blast radius doing almost nothing) or doesnt matter (warp res and quell because transfer peril)

[burnt maple]

Now that I'm thinking about it, Warp Flurry would make it matter even less. Like how Slaughterer can make up damage on weapons

[harsh urchin]

I don't think the difference between 61% vs 80% charge rate being within a tiny amount of time means it doesn't matter

As a stat

let's just agree to disagree

[safe crystal]

I mean, good for you if you see the difference between those two, considering its 0.06 seconds

[harsh urchin]

ya that matters to me

[fluid knot]

Thats not even close to half a second

Thats less than one tenth of a second

[safe crystal]

Some people are just built different i guess

[fluid knot]

Yeah no..

Thats a LITERALLY imperceptible amount of time

Noones brain runs that fast however much they might like to think it does

[burnt maple]

Let's all agree that the real problem here is how stupid the % bar is

[fluid knot]

In fact, thats less time than it takes your brain to process incoming visual information

[steel flame]

I'd say warp res is needed for m1 where transfer isn't as useful but other than that not much else needed on void

[mental rock]

finally found a deimos im satisfied with

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats pretty nice right there

[plucky flax]

#psyker-class message

[strong thicket]

You scrap stuff when you have alternatives and want to minmax 0.X seconds of charge or whatever. I do not have enough resources on psyker for that

[strong thicket]

Cheers will start the blessings collection

[mental rock]

wait

did crushers get a health nerf or smth

I just one shot a crusher in psykhanium but did only 2350 dmg

oh wait

thats the last hit

of the special

nvm

[burnt maple]

Outside of the auto pistol, there isn't any gun better than our staves, right? Even the autopistol is a lot of effort over the staves

[near wyvern]

@inland sand why special a mutant when you can just one tap them with H2?

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?t=36

[inland sand]

do u need to HS them for that?

also how many WC?

[mental rock]

with the right setup you can do it with 4 WC

but I normally take warp battery anyway

[inland sand]

lol the thrusts on the Deimos are so good

kind of hard to find builds that aren't just better with Warp Battery tbh 😦

i think i use Flayer on Surge

that might be the only time i change it

[kind jay]

depends what you mean by better

[primal meteor]

what this do

[kind jay]

crit chance

[burnt maple]

Cholesterol

[spice veldt]

ranged single-target burst DPS is pretty valuable

I wouldn't put guns or staffs over one another

[burnt maple]

Honestly, just functional. Is there a gun that works as good as our staves? The shredder is more of a gimmick gun

[spice veldt]

agri IAG performs nice but suffers from a severe lack of ammo

[inland sand]

the issue with mid-long range guns outside of Veteran is u don't have a good way to deal with suppression

so if u go into a full on Guntide room ur gonna be there a while

[spice veldt]

I'd say that guns are mostly for melee elites and specials

since it's not like Psyker has any way to consistently burst them down outside of melee and the slow brain burst

[kind jay]

if you can aim worth a damn the usual good guns are great especially since flayer exists

[harsh urchin]

ye I use autopistol on my illisi build

cuz the only things that I need it to deal with is maulers/flamers/shotgunners and sometimes gunners/mutants depending on the situation

illisi instantly deletes everything within 10ft of me

[kind jay]

i like vraks 7 myself

not gonna nuke a room but I'll kill specials before they get pinged

[burnt maple]

I'm hoping we get Siennas laser stuff from VT2

[spice veldt]

me too

i want my peril glock

[kind jay]

me thrice

[spice veldt]

blam blam blam (but with warp noises and all that)

[kind jay]

I'm telling you man. force revolver

fatshark pls

[burnt maple]

A force gun would be cool. None of our feats really support guns, though

[kind jay]

bardin had drakefire. gimme forcegun

sure they do. you could use warp absorb, or WU/inner tranq (damage? shoot longer?), flayer/battery. even wildfire if we had a soulblaze gun

if anything a force gun synergizes better than anything else

in my head

in my dreams

[burnt maple]

Lol

Does any gun have Soulblaze? I don't think so

[kind jay]

nope

[burnt maple]

F

[spice veldt]

only BORING orange fire

[kind jay]

the most you can do is use shredder to buff AB but that's not shooting so meeeh

[fluid knot]

Psi-bolter

Its the most obvious choice for a ranged psyker subclass as far as unique weapon go

[kind jay]

I'd love a force/soulblaze version of kant shotty

[near wyvern]

In that specific case I had a sword with +20 maniac, unstable power 4, had warp unleashed and was sitting at 70% peril and 4 warp charges.

And yes you gotta head shot.

So as you can see there is some leeway. You could have +25 maniac and +10 special for perks and with battery you can get more warp charges and you can also roll better stats for the weapon, all of this lower the peril requirement to one shot.

[inland sand]

I wonder if it would work with this:

rolled it earlier, can switch UY to maniac 25 and Ripsote to slaughterer

[near wyvern]

You can switch even +10% weak spot to maniac since you have quite good stat rolls, weak spot damage is scuffed anyways. But if you only want it for mutants then sure switch unyielding to maniacs

Riposte into Unstable Power 4 not Slaughterer

[inland sand]

for the BP?

breakpoint

huh so is Carapace/Maniac the perk god roll for Deimos?

[near wyvern]

The breakpoint is hard to calculate as there are so many variables. Unstable power 4 is something that will make it so much more reliable and +maniac 20 or 25 is a must.

[inland sand]

cool nice one, i'm gonna keep UY and get Maniac 25, seems strong

also have UP at lvl 4 as well so brucey bonus

this is actually better than my current, yolo

[near wyvern]

In case you are wondering, unstable power despite the description gives a stack at 20/40/60/80 power so you get 4 times the value mentioned in the tooltip at 80+ peril

[inland sand]

yah that much I figured

[near wyvern]

Yeah unyielding is nice in case you need to tank a plogryn

[inland sand]

classic FS tooltip

[harsh urchin]

if I was you, I would use slaught4 over unstable4

you potentially miss the breakpoint since you're missing 0-20% power

but i think it'll be useful in more situations

[near wyvern]

But other than that you don't really use it, maybe occasionally head bonk a bulwark. It's just that +weakspot damage with current values is worthless.

If your weapon deals 100 damage on body shots and 150 damage on headshots, with +10% weakspot damage the total damage will be 100 + 50 * 1.1 = 155 instead of 150 * 1.1 = 165 which one would assume

If you use Deimos with purge or trauma there is no need for Slaughterer on melee

If you absolutely want it you take it instead of deflector

[inland sand]

I lean very heavily into Trauma when i play it

[harsh urchin]

i dont think so lol

i think deflector is good

[inland sand]

and yeah I don't leave home without Deflector

best blessing ❤️

[harsh urchin]

and I think slaught is just overtuned numbers wise

so right now there's no reason to take anything else over it

[near wyvern]

Mutant is the only enemy trauma cannot deal with, why would you not spec your melee weapon into one shotting it

[harsh urchin]

because 1-2 stacks of slaught is already better than unstable most of the time?

[near wyvern]

For Slaughterer you rely on getting a quick melee kill before hitting that mutant, with unstable 4 all you need is to have high peril which is piss easy to get with Trauma

Why would you swing your melee when you can have infinite cleave on trauma

[harsh urchin]

why would you swing your melee when you can stab

boom boom

[near wyvern]

The only reason to stab with trauma is that you have a mutant coming in

Or you threw a lone elite at your feet

[harsh urchin]

i haven't played much with trauma

[near wyvern]

And that point you are at 0 Slaughterer stacks. Then you kill it to get one and switch back to trauma. No profit.

[harsh urchin]

but i very much find value from slaught on purg deimos

[inland sand]

Trauma is absolute bae when it's built right

[near wyvern]

With Unstable you have some peril so you already get a bonus. You kill the lone mutant or elite and switch back to trauma.

@harsh urchin @inland sand

If you wanna see some blue fire trauma in action with a defensive focused Deimos (+20 maniac, +1 stamina, deflector 4, unstable 4) here is a full game of damnation hi int with commentary. Don't have it listed as public because I had to edit out kids interrupting me.

https://youtu.be/SrrIuBE-cRw

It's around 25 mins since we had a good vet in the team for great DPS

[harsh urchin]

I get why you think unstable is good lol, I think unstable is good too

[near wyvern]

If you watch the footage you can understand why Slaughterer is not really needed

[harsh urchin]

I just think the numbers on it are too much worse rn that you straight up are getting stat checked

the fact that it's 20% compared to 75% power, and they both have easy conditions

[near wyvern]

Yea but the key thing is the trigger mechanism. With slaughterer you have to be able to stack it up. With unstable it's already there in the beginning and it actually ramps down because of Battle Meditation.

However, you only need it for that quick poke so unstable wins out.

[harsh urchin]

if I say:
you can eat an apple and get $20, or you can eat a banana and get $100.
There's nothing wrong with liking the apple. But you will make more money with the banana lol

maybe after the nerfs it'll be a bit more comparable

[cyan portal]

Don't even need to swing if things are burning to death. If things aren't burning the death situation isn't stressful. Assuming soulblaze build.

[near wyvern]

That's a very black and white way of thinking.

The correct way would be you can eat a biscuit for $2 or you can eat a chocolate bar for $3. The chocolate bar would have better energy per value but you can't eat it all so half of it is not eaten where as the biscuit will perfectly satisfy you for the meal.

It then becomes optimal to eat the biscuit even though it has a worde energy per $ ratio.

[near wyvern]

Yes but you still are under the assumption that you will get a kill right when you need it. Why bother when you can just have unstable, which is completely reliable and does the one shot.

[harsh urchin]

yeah but in this case you're not comparing $2 to $3 lol.
if slaught was 6% per stack instead of 15% then maybe

[near wyvern]

Just watch the footage

[harsh urchin]

you'd be comparing $2 to $7.50; in which case i'm not even going to bother looking at the health benefits and pick the option that's $5 cheaper

[cyan portal]

which part?

[near wyvern]

Wait, scuffed time stamp

[cyan portal]

I have purga, so when fs is out during intense fight slaughterer is up most of the time. Might be different with lesser soulblaze builds. My point is really that the slaughterer question depends on factors.

[near wyvern]

@cyan portal

All of it but of you only have 20 seconds to spare you can't replicate this with slaughterer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrIuBE-cRw&feature=youtu.be&start=105

My point is, with unstable power you can have +20 power now, with slaughterer you will get +75 power later, but when we are thinking of mutant one shots, you want to have it now and it's too late to have it later. That +20 power will do even with non optimal perks, so it's more reliable thus better.

For dealing with the horde, it's always better to use your purge/void/trauma as they have superior cleave so you get more damage and control at the same time.

Quell cancelling is something you should learn as that is the key of never running out of juice in a pinch.

[cyan portal]

Hmm, with purga it is optimal to set everything on fire and switch to fs to finish them off. 75% extra power on sb ticks does a lot of work. So when muties are coming in I get out my fs and things die to dot and put me at 5 stacks slaughterer for mutie one shot. Or they don't because there isn't much pressure and it doesn't make any different to 2 shot the muties.

[lyric burrow]

Tbh i just flame trash till it dies since it doesnt take long and keeps them stunned

I only fs when they get close or if i need to take out elites

If were talking about hordes in particular

[harsh urchin]

in the 20s video there was no pressure at all

just 3 muties in a row

[lyric burrow]

If its just regular groups of enemies and whatnot I'll melee them unless its a gunner group and i wanna catch them before they spot me

[harsh urchin]

could've just sidestepped

and then killed right?

[lyric burrow]

Oh i see

My b

Yeah both work

[cyan portal]

flames kill everything effectively except crushers and muties

[lyric burrow]

Yeah flames i kinda just use on most things tbh

They stagger and kill

But tbh melee is also a good option psyker melee is cracked

[cyan portal]

Yeah, so with purga want you do both as much as possible. Flame them up as you close, get out fs to finish off targets while at +75% power.

[near wyvern]

To prove that you are not reliant on something to die at the right moment. I can blast with trauma to create space and then one shot the mutant if pressured, regardless if I get kills or not in the window between pulling my melee out and hitting the mutant.

[cyan portal]

I think you are probably correct when paired with non-purga staves, better to have a relible fs.

[lilac tapir]

just played with lvl 826 Zealot, that's quite a lot of time played hah

[plucky flax]

[harsh urchin]

do you remember what weapons he was using

[kind jay]

obviously a kendo sword

[steep bridge]

gawd dayum

When you get matched up with three vets and you leave the game 10 minutes in because its so, so fucking boring

Before i get to charge the fart they call brain burst everything on the maps dead

[lilac tapir]

I think a shotgun (don't know which type) and for melee I don't remember cause it was a game with 3 zealots so they confused me all the time 🙂 This is the scoreboard from the game, it was HI5 with Scriptures and we got all 3. I was using Shredder build with Illisi.

That's a good idea for mod improvement actually, these scoreboard logs could include loadout information somewhere (including feats).

[plucky flax]

Hey man free plasteels.

[burnt maple]

I would just take the W and hang out

[fluid knot]

There is already a mod that adds that iirc

[vestal rose]

word of wisdom to anyone with a deimos for poking mutants
dont swap out deflector for unstable
get rid of slaughterer instead
dont be like me

i have regrets

[kind jay]

or just crab walk and keep the S tier blessing

[harsh urchin]

right click charge

also means you can raise the difficulty

[spice veldt]

you can also just run ahead and whack the lesser enemies, even if you won't get the elite/special kills

should also be safer for psykers to roam alone if you want to greed for kills

[static lintel]

did warp nexus have tiers?

[oblique gulch]

what you mean by that?

[fluid knot]

It goes up to T4 yeah

[static lintel]

ok, so time to find a t4

[feral verge]

gl

on what staff?

[near wyvern]

Shh, don't scare them away with the truth

Let them find it out

[feral verge]

i try to save every psyker i can

[near wyvern]

[feral verge]

i just played with a level 40 psyker on damnation

they were using surge on the horde lol

i told them to save it for specials/elites, and sometimes shooter groups

they said

[near wyvern]

[feral verge]

"but you guys are already meleeing the horde"

i told them staff only stuns 7 enemies.. that's it

...

they still used it on the horde, during the game lmao

[near wyvern]

See lightning -> neuron activation

[feral verge]

true

[static lintel]

purgatus

[feral verge]

it wont be a night and day difference, but warp nexus perfroms best on the purga staff

[static lintel]

its better then what i have

[feral verge]

if you like/love purga, then it's worth the pursuit

i main purga

[static lintel]

wow..thats so much better then what i have >_>

[swift kite]

hi all. any good content creators reviewing psyker or what weapons i should try to get as psyker? i just started and am straight up loving the psyker

[feral verge]

idk of any good content creators

[feral verge]

but around here, @near wyvern and @spice veldt are very knowledgeable and helpful with psyker tips

[static lintel]

well met >:D nah, i havent seen any

[feral verge]

i can help too

[ornate hamlet]

I creat contnet i man good contentn crater

[swift kite]

what weapons should i try to get for psyker? if that isnt a meaningful question let me know (i can even tell its v generic)

[feral verge]

here are my tips: force swords are really good. especially illisi (horde clear) and deimos (single target sword). they have infinite dodge counters, meaning you can dodge forever with them. because of this, you should be dodging all the time with the force sword. it will really, really, really help you stay alive and reduce damage taken

[harsh urchin]

figure out what weapons you like and then build around them

[feral verge]

dont use surge staff on trash/horde mobs

[harsh urchin]

if you try out the weapons and have ones you like, you can come back and ask

[feral verge]

save surge staff for elite/special groups and shooter groups.

[harsh urchin]

for recommendations on how to build around them

[ornate hamlet]

All of them

[harsh urchin]

there's actually quite a decent number of options for psyker

[swift kite]

nice so im getting a vibe there isnt an obvious meta right?

[feral verge]

when you carry surge staff, you should be using your melee 80-90% of the time

[harsh urchin]

given how often people in this discord have different opinions

there is, but the stuff that's meta

is pretty flexible

you have a decent selection of stuff that's good lol

[feral verge]

if you are dying/getting downed alot, use a wound curio. but only one. as you get better at surviving, i highly reccomend removing the wound curio, and stacking hp or toughness instead

[harsh urchin]

what I recommend is just trying out different weapons

if you want suggestions, I'd recommend the force staves and force swords

[feral verge]

illisi is seen as the best overall force sword, but the deimos is really good too.

the obscurus sword is good, but it is overshadowed by both the illisi and deimos

here's a guide made by @near wyvern https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

on force swords (and most weapons, with a few exceptions) you will want maniac and flak damage perks

also, do not spend any crafting materials for weapon upgrades until you hit level 30 (max level)

it's a major waste to spend those mats before then

[sturdy quest]

illis + surge is my fav buil

special disabler and easy horde clear work really nice together

[feral verge]

i really only use two builds, and that's my second build

it's alot of fun and v powerful

[sturdy quest]

purgtatus is also really fun if you want to constantly hear your allies praise you

[feral verge]

@swift kite if you want to see a powerful, well thought out/planned build, here's my main setup

[prisma peak]

Was about to ask what your feat settup was gonna be lol

[feral verge]

glad to help

i play at high peril

[prisma peak]

praise be to you

[feral verge]

im almost always at 80-100%

i try to never go below 60%

with this build you will outdamage everyone else on the team in most damnation pub games

[prisma peak]

Yeah I've been doing the same since they changed warp unleashed, it was so crazy. I only got the Monster penance for Psyker because of that change

[feral verge]

the only things that can outdamage it are: tryhard shredder users, tryhard bolter vets, tryhard ripper/bullbutcher ogryns

[prisma peak]

I'm always flip flopping on the toughness generation, but quell into toughness seems just so much nicer on damnation

[feral verge]

yeeee

i find im only taking 200 damage a game, now

on avg

[prisma peak]

Juicy

[feral verge]

my toughness rarely breaks. when it gets low, i just quell and slide dodge at the same time

[prisma peak]

Biggest challenge for me when switching from Vermintide to this was figuring out the slide dodge rhythm. It's so ubiquitous

[feral verge]

here's a scoreboard from my last game

the build is really good for boss damage, too

i just set it on fire with 2 gusts from the staff, then i just bb it

if it's a longer fight, i might put another gust on the boss to refresh the stacks

[prisma peak]

Cerebral Lascerations hits like that now

[feral verge]

oh another big time i can give for huge damage

[oblique gulch]

yeah cerebral cracko

but then again that feat lvl is just cracko

let's be real

[feral verge]

damage over time (dot), like fire from purga staff, or flamethrower, benefits from the blessings on your melee weapon

so

you can set a horde on fire with the purga

[oblique gulch]

yeah then swap

[feral verge]

then swap to your force sword with slaughterer on it

[prisma peak]

I did not know that, crazy

I will keep that in mind for my next deimos

[feral verge]

slaughterer will proc, and the horde will be vaporized

[oblique gulch]

it works both ways

[harsh urchin]

how does your warp charge sustain feel

with cere

[feral verge]

and ofc, your sword will have the boosted damage from slaughterer too

but you have to have your sword out. it doesnt do anything if you have it in your pocket

[oblique gulch]

umm, if you are running a brain burst set up

[feral verge]

it's pretty easy. ascendant blaze usually generates just enough charges with the purga staff

[oblique gulch]

ie voidstrike staff

[feral verge]

where you dont really have to farm too hard for charges

[harsh urchin]

what if you're not using purg

[oblique gulch]

feels fine because you are bursting a lot

but like a purgatus or surge staff

I would recommend running the warp charge feat

that's my opinion

[feral verge]

but when you use ascendant blaze on a horde, sometimes you dont get all your stacks back (because the horde was small, or teamates killed it before your fire could)

then it can be a little tedious to farm all 6 warp charges back

[harsh urchin]

ye that's why I was originally taking communion

because there's just no real good way

[feral verge]

but, if you swap to psychic communion, then you have to do very little farming

you will almost always have 5-6 stacks

and youll get them all back when you use ascendant blaze on horde

[harsh urchin]

tsk tsk

having talents that are good enough

that it's hard to pick between lmao

[feral verge]

i found thaty when i use cerebral lac, i press F less

when i have communion, i use F more

[oblique gulch]

cerebral could be good on the surge staff tbh

because you still run the burst speed lvl 30

[feral verge]

i use it on my melee surge build too

i really like cerebral

[oblique gulch]

purgatus I would always go psychic communion

[feral verge]

it feels nice to 2 shot reapers

[oblique gulch]

that's my opinion

[feral verge]

everything is a 2 shot for me, except muties and bosses

(ofc everything smaller than ogryn is a 1 shot, besides maulers)

[oblique gulch]

yeah with high peril and charges

[feral verge]

and cerebral really helps with chaos spawn

they need to be killed quickly, or yall just get overwhelmed

[feral verge]

i used to run that, for a very long time

but i prefer cerebral now, i think

like i said, i do have to farm for charges idk 1-3 times a game

[harsh urchin]

ya I think i'm gonna try out cerebral lmao

[feral verge]

but the benefits really outweigh the downside

[harsh urchin]

i think

being able to hit the 2 shot breakpoint

for ogryns

and also killing bosses faster

can potentially make or break some runs

[feral verge]

with my build, i could always 2 shot ogryns

except reaper

before i got cerebral lac

now i can get reapers

[harsh urchin]

i dont think carapace is 2 shot

without

[feral verge]

nah, i can do it

too lazy to record

but this is WITHOUT cerebral lac

psychic commuion on

you need to be high peril

in order to do it

[harsh urchin]

and 6 charges

[feral verge]

yee

[harsh urchin]

i think cerebral lets you 2 shot crushers

without any conditions

[feral verge]

oh neat

[harsh urchin]

i'll need to confirm it though

[feral verge]

this is my 2nd build, for when i want a break from my main build

my wannabee zealot build

this one is funny, because if you only slightly know what you are doing, you will deal more damage, and take less damage, than the zealot on your team lmao

you'll do over 300k damage in most games

[fluid knot]

Not Voidstrike, 5/10

[feral verge]

voidstrike was the first staff i got into

[fluid knot]

Funny blue ball go bang

[feral verge]

it's neat, it's fun

i have a godroll void that i have never used yet

[harsh urchin]

0 warp charges = nope

warp charges = yep

[idle aurora]

Leveled up 2nd psyker, bruh, i forgot how bad it feels on lower levels

[feral verge]

i had an alt that i gave up levelling, because i couldnt stand the malice players lmfao

he's stuck at level 9

[idle aurora]

I got lucky with missions modifiers, a bunch of lvl2 high int missions, give more xp then a regular malice, and you can run them with potato team

[feral verge]

at this point, i have everything i want on my main psyker

alls i need are perk/blessing unlocks, so i can swap some level 3s, into 4s

so i dont need the alt now, really

[idle aurora]

Same, the only reason i made an alt, is because i want to run with different voice for a bit

[feral verge]

i feel that

on my zealot atleast

i like the female judge voice, its my fav, but i'd like to swap to female agitator sometimes

but i dont feel like making a wohle new character for that

especially since i have lucky godroll weapons on my zealot

godrolls of all my fav weapons

[fluid knot]

Could probably solo Malice if you're a regular Damn' player pal

[idle aurora]

My new one is the loner voice, i hated it when i 1st heard it, but after playing so much with the savant one, wanted something more crazy. And honesty really love it now, best ult lines imo

Also i loled so hard when i heard his screaming when you push above 100% peril

[harsh urchin]

are they mods that provide alt uis?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, think Arco uses one

At least ive seen a differnt HUD in his clips

Its pretty sexy too tbf

[low onyx]

This look goes so hard

[fiery plume]

What feats and range weapon would y'all suggest for a psyker who wants to be primarily melee?

[fluid knot]

Anything 'cept Purga

[spice veldt]

i personally run trauma and 312233 for my melee build

[feral verge]

i only play damn

i just didnt feel like sweating and tryharding in malice, on an alt char

i like sweating and tryharding in damn

[twilit flicker]

you look like a villain 🤌

[spice veldt]

there are mods like HUDTweaker and CustomHUD which give you the ability to mess with your HUD, but there's nothing like preset HUDs such as from TF2

so you'll have to spend some time getting things to how you like them; maybe a few hours

[harsh urchin]

ugh

i am really feeling

the inconsistency of warp charges

after swapping out communion

was wondering if there was a UI option to make it more prominent in the hud

like as prominent as peril i guess

[spice veldt]

you could move the buff bar around or use the thingamajig that crosshairHUD provides

the thingamajig looks like this

though it's currently bugged such that the position resets every time you die, so you'll have to either move it every time or edit its position in the lua file directly

[harsh urchin]

ye fuck it LOL

i'll just deal with it

[cyan portal]

what are those row of >>>>>> arrows on your ui? haven't seen that before

[spice veldt]

it's the dodge counter https://streamable.com/pktcr6

the numerical dodge counter would've sufficed, but I thought it would look a bit ugly and I wanted something that would mesh with how i had that diamond ability indicator and stamina bar set up

it's something that I hacked up by editing NumericUI's dodge counter (and with the help of HUDTweaker since I didn't know how to modify certain things in lua)

[cyan portal]

that'd explain why I hadn't seen it before, neat

[lunar hollow]

arco's ui is just a bunch of hieroglyphs

[spice veldt]

be quiet femboy

[lunar hollow]

i am really not appreciative of that comment

[spice veldt]

angle brackets aren't hieroglyphs (maybe)

[cyan portal]

What have you changed in your settings the nuke the graphics back to the 90s?

[spice veldt]

it's at least the 2000s

[lunar hollow]

bitch you've nuked your graphics so hard everything looks like those goddamn stone tablets they wrote the hieroglyphs on

your whole game is ancient egyptian darktide

smh

[spice veldt]

change these lines in user_settings.config (located at %AppData%\Fatshark\Darktide\user_settings.config)

the higher the value, the lower the quality

though setting the value to -1 sets it to the lowest quality it seems

i got bullied into changing it from -1 so I now have them set to a quality that you can't really distinguish at ultra performance DLSS

[cyan portal]

Does it impact performance much?

[spice veldt]

I haven't benched it since I didn't really care about the looks too much

my frames don't visibly drop as hard during massive hordes though

[lunar hollow]

it is kinda sad you come up with all this bullshit just to not admit you can't carry a laptop heavier than 4 pounds

[spice veldt]

yes i can

I also have this variable set to a low value (don't set it to exactly 0 or some objects straight up become invisible)

[prisma condor]

Another interesting combo and it's again for psyker

[feral verge]

just want to inform everyone that @cold geode blew up

[spice veldt]

(haha)

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/lime-rp-explosion-explode-gif-16108207

[feral verge]

rip in peace

[kind jay]

ok but did he take anyone important out at least

[cold geode]

@feral verge was playing his ZEALOT!!!

[kind jay]

what that's an even bigger scandal

[cold geode]

oooo hishock is back

[feral verge]

yeah that is cringe ngl

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[feral verge]

it's because my psyker is rich

[cold geode]

XD

[feral verge]

and i want my zealot to be rich too

53k plasteel on psyker, 1.8mil ordos

too many low levels

[plucky flax]

Illisi and surge. I run 313133.

[cyan notch]

600 years from now future archeologists will spend their lifetime trying to decipher arco's ui

[spice veldt]

blooddrunk more like

smellydrunk

[cyan notch]

damn

i got got

[near wyvern]

@harsh urchin @feral verge the BB break points for WU, CL and WU+CL are listed in Atheneum under WU and CL entries

[limpid breach]

Zealot chat is just people talking about cats.

[spice veldt]

horrifying

[pallid burrow]

how good is this?

[plucky flax]

Is op mane

[nimble bolt]

Rebless to Shred or keep Unstable power?

[lost trellis]

I'm going to roll a Psyker today. Any levelling tips for it?

[chrome arch]

Beginning staves are weak

May as well stick to guns until level 15

My humble recommendation

[steep bridge]

stick to stredder autopistol pretty much until Lv30 unti Staves get decent, and even then its always a solid choice

[serene breach]

does surge blessing work on trauma staff?

[steep bridge]

only on left click i believe

Which mark of the dueling sword would you recommend for gun psyker?

[serene breach]

MK2 for slash and stab and Mk5 slash and heavy overhead

[steep bridge]

useable?

[serene breach]

Change stamina’s to damage or crit damage etc

Blessing are awesome though

[steep bridge]

damage against unarmoured could work to chug through hordes?

[meager plinth]

if you want damage against hordes, take infested

pox walkers have 300hp infested compared to groaners who have 200hp unarmored

[steep bridge]

also what blessings and perks should i have on shedder autopistol?

[safe crystal]

Do not get critical damage, its a 10 damage increase on average on a mk2 dueling sword. Flak/maniacs/infested/UA are all better than crit damage

[serene breach]

Ah, thanks for the tip iceslow. Mine is default roll with crit damage. Will need to change it

[serene breach]

Blessing should be blaze away and pinning fire

[meager plinth]

Crit damage works weirdly, it increases the bonus damage you get from a crit by 10%

Example of an attack that deals 100 damage on a weapon with an 1.10% crit modifier

100 Normal damage
110 Damage on crit
111 Damage on crit with 10% crit damage

tho id how much it scales with weakpoint damage%

[spice veldt]

same deal for weakspot dmg

[meager plinth]

if you have both crit d% and weakspot d% perks + precognition (crit n weakspot d%)

Does it just calculate 20% for crit, 20% for weakspot and addition both?

[spice veldt]

iirc, crab remarked about it only applying once on a crit weakspot

I might be wrong though since it was a long time since he talked about it

[meager plinth]

Ill try to look into it

i.e. farming for a duelling sword cuz idk how to datamine

[safe crystal]

Cant even check precog on the breakpoint calc because its given up on precog ever being good as well

[spice veldt]

found the comment where crab remarked on it applying only once #psyker-class message

ruff life

[meager plinth]

like, the buff is consumed after use?

[spice veldt]

like you only get +10% on a crit weakspot instead of something like +20% or +21%

you get scammed out of the other 10%

[meager plinth]

oh woa

well ty Arco xD

n crab

[spice veldt]

I try my best to steer travelers away from precognition

[lunar hollow]

but like

its such a cool name

[meager plinth]

hopefully next patch will fix those useless blessings

[safe crystal]

They would need to change how weakspot and critical damage is calculated, i doubt they will do that

[meager plinth]

if they were to increase the values then it would work

[safe crystal]

They become useful around 200% value iirc

[meager plinth]

maybe they forgot another 0

[safe crystal]

Or comparative, rather

[feral verge]

this

[meager plinth]

would be kinda crazy on smth like a mkIII lucius

and I know a specialized build with a perfected lucious can reach 10k damage

so idk what they will do with crit/weakpoint damage perks

they should give the lucius mark patterns to psyker when the protectorate comes out

[steep bridge]

What is the optimal setup for Curios on Psyker? I currently have 1 Wound and 2x HP

i feel like i should swap the HP for Toughness because holy shit even with 60% DR for Gunners its getting melted away giga fast

[inland sand]

3 toughness, imo

Psyker has really good defensive capabilities and you really shouldn't be taking HP damage in melee. Maybe there's an argument for HP at HISG with Burster congo lines, but otherwise the thing that is going to melt you is gunfire

you could also do 2 Toughness 1 Stamina, that's also pretty reasonable for running/pushing. Force Sword has very good pushes

i've never felt like I needed it but I can see the argument for it

in terms of perks, until we can actually choose what to put on curios discussing them seems rather pointless as the rng for curio perks if fucking unreal

I got lucky and managed to get 2 out of the 3 I wanted across all 3 Curios, but it took hundreds of hours

[plucky flax]

Hishock double grims is a reason to argue for 3x hp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R2HMr9VEAY

[inland sand]

I personally rate Block Efficiency as top, then Combat ability Regen. After that you're at the mercy of the gods. If u wanna run grims or have a bit of padding vs corruption damage, that's one way. More toughness always good as well.

pretty fringe reason imo. Never really understood why people want to pick up grims

[plucky flax]

Extra spicy.

[inland sand]

if you want a challenge u can just play duos which is way more satisfying

[plucky flax]

I always pick up grims/scripts if it's available in the mission.

[inland sand]

cool i never bother because the best incentive to do so can be rolled away

also in PUGs you are making a big assumption that the 3 randomers you're teamed with have the capabilities to run Grims

you might be good enough, but it's very unlikely you high rolled into 3 players with equal skill as you

[crude cape]

#deimosthings

[plucky flax]

At worst I can clutch and bring 1 grim back home with me.

Or not and we fail. Xd

[inland sand]

not saying that you can't clutch on HISG, but i definitely wouldn't say 'at worst'

at worst is you fail the clutch and wipe

and then no one gets any dockets

[plucky flax]

Eh maybe not as much on psyker since I'm bad at the class but I'm very confident on zealot.

[inland sand]

obviously all these metrics change if you are lucky to have 3 friends and voice chat

[plucky flax]

And if I'm on veteran there's no need to clutch at all. OP class.

[inland sand]

if u get Veteran on HISG the run loses 50% difficulty

it is known

[plucky flax]

At least that guy in the vid was playing infantry autogun so it's not facerolling like bolter/autopistol.

[inland sand]

Bolter really is the Faceroll gun of HISG imo

the IAGs are a lot better than people give them credit for though

if you can hit heads the murder things. Really just limited by clip size and reload time

[inland sand]

ha i've played with UnsanctionedPsyker

twas a good game

[plucky flax]

That's me. D:

[inland sand]

oh snap!

[plucky flax]

I suck pls no flame.

[inland sand]

iirc we won?

hard to recall which character I was on

[plucky flax]

I dunno but my winrate on psyker is no where near as high as on zealot (my main) or vet (op class).

[inland sand]

i am pretty damn sure u were running surge and whatever we were doing we won. Might have been Relay Station

[plucky flax]

I'm still learning the class + grinding gears.

[inland sand]

well seems like ur doing well! and a good player is a good player

u can play any class

if u know how to play

[plucky flax]

Yeah but veteran = press f left click veri ez mode Xd

[inland sand]

sure sure

floor on Vet very low

Psyker much higher

[plucky flax]

Psyker I have to use 99% of brain capacity.

[inland sand]

but ceiling on psyker is uber high imo

comparatively

[plucky flax]

Yeah and I'm finding it very fun.

Being the most squishy but deflector is babe.

[meager plinth]

deflector is dope

shieldgryn but better cuz you can see shit

[dim flicker]

which perk should i replace for this weaponn?

[fluid knot]

Yaga.. what is this heresy?

[meager plinth]

Im doing my part

deflector and slab shield are the same but you dont see deflector psyker standing in the middle doin fuck-all

[feral verge]

weakspot damage. put flak over it

it does nothing

that's very mid voidstrike

you want warp flurry and transfer peril

[fluid knot]

Nah, thats savable, swap weakspot for crit chance, swap sustained to Nexus

Should work decently well

Peril Transfer is good, but its also risky, if you miss the head of whatever you're trying to hit, or someone else kills it before the orb connects.. well, say hello to head explosion

[feral verge]

risky?
its the safest thing

it's easy to avoid headpop. trivial. that's the whole point of it. it's the only staff/blessing combo that lets you spam forever

just dont cast it at 97% peril

you can cast it infinitely if oyu have transfer peril 3, maybe even 2 in a horde

without ever manually quelling

surge blessing is very meh on voidstrike because it sends out a second, uncharged ball

which does very little damage

you will get ALOT more dps form warp flurry/transfer peril

[fluid knot]

Having used both extensively i blow up much more using transfer due to others killing stuff before the ball lands, i dont think its a bad setup, but i much prefer Surge/Nexus because will cleave through more enemies. An ye Transfer is not safe, its inconsistent if yous squad arent totally useless, quite happy to quell every now an then without worry rather than trying to run it at the abolutle limit with a blessing that might not proc for the aforementioned reasons

[feral verge]

not trying to be an ass, but i think that's just bad play

[fluid knot]

Use Voidstrike an awful lot at this point (basically dont use nothin else)

Im sure

[feral verge]

dont have your peril so high where you'll blow up from the cast

on any staff/force sword, just dont cast it at 97% peril

[meager plinth]

just dont make mistakes lol

[feral verge]

if someone had a blowing up problem my number one suggestion would be transfer peril voidstrike

to prevent that

be well under 97%

[fluid knot]

Yeah nah like i say, if your squadmates are actually killing things, there is fair odds that you wont get a proc on Transfer which is what im pointing out

[feral verge]

what im saying is, dont bank on the proc to save you

[fluid knot]

If they're melons, go nuts spamming it, but if they're not, simply the act of an Oggy clearing a horde with a Ripper will be enough to fuck you over if you aint careful

[feral verge]

bank on the proc to maintain low peril

[fluid knot]

Thats the same thing dude

[meager plinth]

yea but you want to maintain high peril, especially with WU

[fluid knot]

Dont rely on it but rely on it? Nah how bout just dont risk it an live with Quelling every now an then, its not like it takes long to drop it off by a few percent

[feral verge]

if you're casting the voidstrike at high peril, banking on the proc to save youi, you're toast. dont do that. cast it at lower peril, banking on the fact it will let keep your peril low

because

that's your cushion of safety

do that and you will never blow up

[fluid knot]

An then you're not benifiting from Warp Unleashed really which is kinda a must-do to suck all the damage out of the Void

[feral verge]

oh i know, i only play high peril.

when i say low peril, i mean lower peril, sorry

like 60%

[meager plinth]

aa

[feral verge]

use staff at 60-90% peril. 90% or more, manually quell

if enemies are dispersed where you cant hit shots, melee

combined with warp flurry, which actually reduces cast cost, in most damnation situatiosn you can cast forever

the only thing that can stop you are ogryns, which should be bb'd anyway

in fact, with transfer peril iv, i find my peril reduces faster than i can gain it

so i have to deliberately miss/generate peril for damage from WU

ofc, every psyker blows up. im not saying 'just dont make mistake lol' i make mistakes all the time (750 hours in, mostly on psyker, which is level 435)

[frozen osprey]

i saw warp flurry and read furry. i think i need therapy

[feral verge]

but i'm saying voidstrike with warp flurry/transfer peril is the safest staff to use for psykers who are... accident prone

[safe crystal]

WU, funnily enough, only lets you kill some things with less charge when you're at higher peril on voidstrike, instead of giving you new breakpoints. You're still short around 50 damage for dreg gunner oneshot headshot even at max WU and 6 stacks of charges

Thats the closest you get to an actual breakpoint

[feral verge]

yee. i'd still use WU for bb breakpoints. and cuz the one that reduces peril gain (forget the name) is useless/worthless on voidstrike

[safe crystal]

I dont see any value in the other perks on that row for VS, so i also use it for BB and melee breakpoints

[feral verge]

(because the staff, when built with warp flurry/transfer peril, is essentially playing the game with infinite ammo)

[fluid knot]

Its infinite anyway

You're not picking up ammo boxes = functionally infinite ammo

[feral verge]

no what i mean is

no downtime

no downtime to quell

just infinitely spraying (when there's a horde/group)

[fluid knot]

Except you do, you've already said you quell manually at 90%, so you are

[feral verge]

.

[fluid knot]

...

[feral verge]

put what im saying together

it is hard to reach the 90% peril threshold using transfer peril

when attacking hordes or groups

but if you somehow do reach 90% peril

then manually quell

[fluid knot]

More targets cleaved > "supposedly" infinite shots, simple as imo

[mental rock]

im on mankar's side

transfer peril makes management of peril trivial

if youre not bad

[feral verge]

with this staff, i LOSE peril in most group/horde situations

[meager plinth]

what even was the point we were talking about?

[feral verge]

dorfus is saying that voidstrike with transfer peril is risky because it will make you go boom

[fluid knot]

Needing a blessing to deal with your quelling is the very definition of being bad tho, same as Confident Strike on BullButcher with survivability

[feral verge]

but im saying it's safe because it reduces peril/levels perilm preventing you from reaching critical peril in the first place

[fluid knot]

Matey sayin the stave posted earlier is mid, when it needs two things changed an is totally fine, long an short of it

[feral verge]

i quell just fine without it homie. i manage peril very, very well. i dont need the blessing to do it

i just want more DPS

[mental rock]

if you had a blessing to give a gun infinite mag size, wouldnt you take it?

[feral verge]

yes. this. thank you

[fluid knot]

No, i'd take damage

[safe crystal]

Needing a blessing or perks to deal your damage for you is the definition of bad, we should all just play with grey weapons

[feral verge]

transfer peril will give you greater sustained DPS

not to mention stagger

[fluid knot]

Unironically i was having this discussion last night with someone that most of the damage blessings in their current forms are borked as fuck an should really be either toned down or removed entirely

[feral verge]

what level is your psyker

[meager plinth]

30

[fluid knot]

Idk, i dont use true level mod, but pretty fuckin high

[meager plinth]

[feral verge]

based

how many hours

[fluid knot]

Me or Yaga?

[meager plinth]

iunno I dont fuckin count em to compare with other people

[feral verge]

you (dorfus)

[meager plinth]

Im having fun with my funni stick

less warp res lets me stay at 80 peril pretty easily

[feral verge]

it'd be devastating if the 2nd shot was fully charged

based

[meager plinth]

I dont have any peril problem either cuz of the passive

[feral verge]

yeah, this too

i forgout about it

[meager plinth]

if anything, id rather use a lower level of transfer peril because the drain would be too much

[feral verge]

but yeah. i have 750 hours, most of them spent on psyker (level 435). in my experience, voidstrike (With transfer peril and warp flurry) is THE safest staff to use (from a blowing up standpoint)

i think trauma staff is the most dangerous staff to use (Again, from blowing up standpoint)

[meager plinth]

tho having a staff with low peril res and IV transfer peril can be pretty good if you have quietitude

[feral verge]

yee. i use an illisi for peril generating

[fluid knot]

I would say Surge from that respect personally because it barely kills owt an thusly needs spamming more, yeah yeah, i know CC, but seriously.. Zealots Crusher is all CC only that isnt confined to only killing one armour type effectively

Fuck i hate Surge

[meager plinth]

ive seen more surge psykers blow up than any other

[feral verge]

dont use surge to kill

use it to stun

[fluid knot]

..I literally just said that

[feral verge]

let your team kill, or just kill them with melee

[fluid knot]

I reiterate, Zealots Crusher is all CC, but thats not confined to only damaging Flak enemies effectively

[feral verge]

im saying, dont spam surge (from the perspective of trying not to blow up)

we were talking about dangerous staves that are prone to make the user blow up

dont spam surge to kill

[fluid knot]

This

[feral verge]

whip it out, stun, hope team kills enemy, or you go ahead and kill enemy

[fluid knot]

"Hope team kills enemy" So wipe. Gotcha.

[meager plinth]

hey out of context but I wanna see some psyker driptide, do you have some outfits Mankar?

[feral verge]

me too, but i think it's because it's a noobtrap staff

[feral verge]

yes i do

[meager plinth]

YOOO

I adore seeing good driptide

[feral verge]

the noobiest psykers run several wounds, and use surge staff

that's the stereotypical noob setup

they dont know how ot manage peril, then blow up

and they like to spam staff at all times, on trash and hordes

[meager plinth]

tbh the surge's peril generation is weird

I die more often to the surge than any other staff and im by no mean a bad psyker

[fluid knot]

Can confirm, Yaga's arguably one of the most reliable players I've encountered. Top tier

[feral verge]

some drip

[meager plinth]

AYYY

love to see it

good driptide sibling

[feral verge]

thanks homie

[meager plinth]

same to you pal, ur fuckin great

[lyric burrow]

I do wonder if ive played with some people in here

Randomly

Probably at some point

[meager plinth]

pretty likely

[frozen osprey]

i am going to slander yaga is a horrible player

[meager plinth]

yoo ty fredddyyy

[feral verge]

basic, but i like this too. haven't used it in a long time, but i've got a soft spot for it, because it's what i used when i was levelling/farming early on

[frozen osprey]

ofc ofc anytime hugs

[feral verge]

i kinda consider it my char's default outfit. like if she was just a npc on the ship

idk

[meager plinth]

its a good and simple outfit

[frozen osprey]

i like being basic bitch npc its very fun sometimes

probably why i dont like mixing outfits

i always prefer to use premade sets

[fluid knot]

Awh bless ya 😄

[meager plinth]

I like making mine as unhinged as possible

[lyric burrow]

I just use a mix of the penance stuff

I might check the shop again

[meager plinth]

my latest discovery being this haircut adding lil horns

[feral verge]

that's one creepy looking motherfuck

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats a psyker and a half

[frozen osprey]

goddamn bro dont look at me like that

[meager plinth]

theres multiple versions of that helmet that arent available yet, including one without a mask

so im hoping it will be good

found it

[fluid knot]

Oh thats pretty sweet yeah

[meager plinth]

or the red metalics

[fluid knot]

Oh that fits with the new drip what you got on there an the peg leg pants so well tf

[feral verge]

it really is good drip

if i saw you in game, i would remember you

[meager plinth]

thank you sibling, ill try to keep a lookout for psykers named Mai

[feral verge]

i've seen a few Maia's

but never Mai. i think im the only one

[meager plinth]

Maia is one of the default names

[inland sand]

I have seen so much drip in game as of late

[feral verge]

yee

[true bridge]

OMG 😱 the Trauma Force Staff is so powerfull, I love it!!!!

[inland sand]

y'all got £50 lying about for multiple cosmetics across 3 characters?

[inland sand]

the best

[meager plinth]

I have every single cosmetics for psyker, except a few of the high priced commissary ones, still working on those

[inland sand]

that's quite the disposable income u have there