psyker-class

[fluid knot]

can get nigh on 2fiddy

[cosmic sigil]

i'm amazed it works, at least with my exorcist quietude kinetic shield setup

yeah i have another full hp build

[fluid knot]

Nice nice

[cosmic sigil]

i'm trying different things and well 90 dmg taken in damnation i'm quite proud of myself

[spice veldt]

nice to see that it's working out for you

you'll probably be very sad when your toughness gets peeled by three flamers descending upon you though

has happened to me many a time

[cosmic sigil]

well, it's the same for every character tbh

[fluid knot]

I honestly think the base toughness buff you can get on curios should be bigger than HP because at the moment the only class that really gets a choice 100% of the time between tough/HP is Oggy

You can do it on other classes sure, but it'll never go as far as HP will

[spice veldt]

toughness feels fine as long as you can avoid taking hits in melee while your toughness is peeled, which is doable by spamming dodges with force swords

you get better regeneration from feats and melee, which lends itself to, for example, killing enemies faster than they kill you

and I dislike having my toughness fully broken because of everything under the sun staggering you whenever you take hp damage from ranged

[fluid knot]

Im not sayin its not workable by any stretch of the imagination, but when one pool is finite and the other one isnt and both the percentile boosts are pretty similar you'll generally get more milage outta HP

An ye, toughness break stagger anims can be pain indeed

[spice veldt]

I'm saying that if you can get more mileage out of toughness if you can avoid its weaknesses and play along with it

[cosmic sigil]

thy wrath is excellent for that reason

[spice veldt]

I like this clip as a humourous example of something that I didn't expect to go well and yet it did https://streamable.com/kwcqps

if I took HP damage there, I would've taken more damage all-in-all because of the stagger potentially interrupting the interim between my dodges, though one could argue that I had my ult to quickly regen toughness to take advantage of the ranged damage reduction

more toughness means that I theoretically get to do more of those situations without ever having to trade out of hp

and I can play more recklessly and clear ranged patrols faster

[fluid knot]

For sure, but when you do take HP damage its that much more punishing, but i guess its down to preference

[floral relic]

Would you say running more than 1 Toughness curio is worth considering?

[spice veldt]

yeah the probalistic element of taking hp damage and the higher penalty needs to be factored in

I'm a toughness stan

[floral relic]

Also, I assume there are no offensive curios in this game yet? All curios are defensive?

[spice veldt]

but I also have 1k+ hours of experience with the game's melee system and spamming dodges

[floral relic]

Yeah, I do feel that whenever I take Hp damage, I take like 50% anyway

[fluid knot]

Personally that would result in me playing a lot more carefully due to taking said whack when it does happen, a little chip suits me better than fuckin up once an having half your HP dissapear to a poxwalker

[spice veldt]

in my head, it would be definitively better for newcomers to take HP instead of toughness, since you won't get to take advantage of toughness regen from melee kills as much since you're presumably going to play a bit safer against ranged patrols and not monkey into them

you're also probably going to get caught by enemies who do more toughness damage, like mutants peeling your toughness with their 2x toughness damage

it's a recommendation that's hard to make without any actual statistics

for me, I found myself getting more comfortable with lower hp and more toughness as I played

I used to play 1hp/1tough with psyker, then 2tough, and eventually 3tough + kinetic shield especially with Trauma + Illisi; where I use Trauma to cover the weakness of 3 stam, and I've practiced 1v1ing the chaos spawn in the psykanium to avoid getting hard punished for it

[fluid knot]

Im at about 800 hours at this point, cant say ive made any effort even to dick about with curios after getting them set. It'd be more worth doing if they werent such a bitch to roll, but i dont see a reason to swap them out if its workin fine, let alone with the time investment involved to do so

[spice veldt]

I'm generally fueled by an intense dislike of combat with ranged enemies

more toughness = I can be on the playing field for longer before having to scurry back to cover; and if I can manage to generate more toughness than I can lose it, then I can potentially clear a ranged patrol without ever needing to retreat or play slowly

it probably won't matter if you're running something like warp absorption with illisi with regards to diving ranged groups, but I wanted the benefit of higher toughness regen from melee kills while running quietitude

which, in exchange, gets me punished harder for any continuous hits I take or flamers/bombers/snipers/bursters

oh yeah, I guess I'm better at not getting blown up by bursters or getting sniped with my higher playtime (on average)

[cosmic sigil]

i put 5 toughness on all my curios so technically i run 3 tg curios and 1hp

[spice veldt]

yeah, pretty much all the curio perks are defensive (damage res, toughness, hp) or support (sprint eff, stam regen, etc.)

something like combat ability regen is at best indirectly offensive, and even that bonus is very marginal (12% max or 3.6 seconds for Psyker)

there's nothing like +crit chance or anything of the sort

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/scientist-myself-youknow-science-gif-18288578

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-heart-beat-wolf-of-wall-street-matthew-mcconaughey-good-one-gif-16087071

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah i feel that one... spend 80% of missions with burst as a result

Staff for quickly deleting horde, Illisi for melee specials/backdoor gankers, brainburst for shooter control

[floral relic]

Honestly I don’t think there is a much difference, the psyker life just means that once your HP gets touched, it’s gonna be 50%
So like, you really only gets a single “backup life” and you can make one minor mistake once, the 2nd mistake gets made and you are down anyway

[late yew]

which is why i also think having such op weapon as illi is justified

psyker is glass cannon

[floral relic]

Yeah, like Psyker’s nature is being sus

Move in sus ways and slide though danger

Yeah I think I’m gonna try run without HP curio

[fluid knot]

Straight up the best melee weapon in the game

[floral relic]

Since I feel that as a new player, the extra toughness means I can make more misplays when getting trapped in poking gunfire

[ember hornet]

this dude writing essays in psyker chat but not irl lmao

[spice veldt]

don't you have a cat to take pictures of

[fluid knot]

Who wants to write essays about IRL shit?

[floral relic]

btw I’m assuming you are mostly talking about a Quietis playstyle?

And in general, I think Quietis work pretty well with Deflector?

You go out, use Deflector and do sus shit like LMB spam, then get back into cover when you are full Peril,
And Quietus turns Peril into Toughness, then you go out and repeat

[spice veldt]

yeah, that seems to be what some people do

here's an exaggerated demonstration by Syllogism https://streamable.com/beu3o7

I primarily bring Quietitude for when I can't recklessly engage into ranged patrol (too numerous and/or spread out), so it's nice to have it as a form of consistent toughness regeneration

[ember hornet]

this is all a ruse and you just want more cat pictures don't you

[spice veldt]

I also run Trauma and Illisi which both generate a lot of peril

[spice veldt]

I could never

[ember hornet]

let me get my camera out

[spice veldt]

:o

ew

[ember hornet]

just a regular family photo taking, nothing to see here

[raven gate]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-robot-photographer-wedding-gif-13963324

[ember hornet]

lol

[spice veldt]

you are truly disgusting and vile

[ember hornet]

here have a cat pic for your troubles

[floral relic]

Holy fuck Psykers are so sus

Also random question

But are the other 3 class channels also like psyker

Just felt out channel is super active

Like even more than #gameplay-help

I haven’t been inside them, but I imagine them to be like

Vet: META GAMING

[raven gate]

i mean. all class channels have "spikes" of activity eveyr so often i guess

i do feel like ogryns have the most fun

[floral relic]

Zealot: Big D*ck ONESHOT

Ogryn: I speak Unga therefore I bunga

[raven gate]

like most of the time i go there, there are pictures and memes bneing thrown around

[floral relic]

Neat

Meanwhile psyker channel is like “game is easy just learn to be sus and out sus the heretics”
“Embrace the sus and become the tank”

[late yew]

ok, that's pretty cool

also damn, these graphics

[spice veldt]

yeah, you can tell by the graphics that this isn't my footage

[spice veldt]

simply have one thousand hours

[fluid knot]

Ogg chat is alright, but this is the official discord, if you want the best advice, its in the smaller, more dedicated communities

Too many cooks spoil the broth and what not

[raven gate]

so should we just let nurgle cook the broth then?

[cyan notch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/njddZXMc70Tim5XHqp

[olive ember]

What did you expect from a kinetic shield and quicken user

[spice veldt]

and yet, you are somehow worst

[olive ember]

Sure

[olive ember]

quite false but then again that’s typical of a Josho take

[spice veldt]

don't worry; I'm only dangerous to Josho

to the general public, I am perfectly safe

[spice veldt]

also you god damn bastard

[shadow onyx]

forgive my sins for i'm playing graia m8 iag with my psyker

[ember hornet]

[shadow onyx]

so sad ammos suck, i love this weapon 😢

[ember hornet]

it does kinda feel nice

[shadow onyx]

my mates enrage

"why you dont play purgats"

when they have ogryn butcher and zealot heavy sword

[ember hornet]

obviously you need more horde clear

you only have 2 OP horde clear weapons already

[shadow onyx]

sure ogryn cannot solo entire horde by spamming left clic only

i guess i'm cursed and must carry all of my games

[fluid knot]

Bring void an delete horde before they even get close to it

Surge + Nexus go brrrrrrrr

Also @spice veldt You're pretty seemingly knowledgeable, Feels like when Surge procs on void it dont just give two projectiles, feels like it also doubles the splash radius, can you confirm please?

I assume its not just because its two projectiles because its not like they split apart from one another

[ember hornet]

I've seen video of hitting 2 completely different things with it

[primal plume]

Heres a theory, Surge staff still has a use in hordes because unlike Vermintide 2, they cant clip through each other. ive notice when using it it can kinda create a sort of safe zone

[safe crystal]

Splash stays the same. Even if the splash would get increased radius, its still a 15-20 damage per splash.

[fluid knot]

Yeah, but thats likely because the orbs have a big ol' radius to their hitbox

[spice veldt]

the knowledge about surge that I have is from other people unfortunately, because I accidentally bartered the only voidstrike with surge before I could earn and test with it (no, i'm not an idiot; perish such thoughts from your mind)

[ember hornet]

no

like

different sides of psyk

[fluid knot]

Wait wut

[ember hornet]

like 60 degree difference or something

[fluid knot]

Ahh ok, just a bit weird how its playin at the moment

[fluid knot]

Yeah ok thats very bizzare, not had nothin like that happen yet, been using it a couple weeks

Maybe it is related to that actually

[primal plume]

My combo with void is Warp flurry and Warp nexus

[fluid knot]

Though i havent seen it be that extreme

[ember hornet]

@viral solstice probably has clips

[primal plume]

i like consistancy in my weapons

[ember hornet]

well the timing is pretty specific I think

[fluid knot]

If you're going for consistancy i would put Peril Transfer on it

[primal plume]

Transfer

not Nexus

I forgor

[fluid knot]

You should be hitting domes with Void anyway, so by using Transfer you're getting a massive sustained DPS boost

Aight ye that makes more sense

[primal plume]

Void can be unlimited casts if you headshot with it

its awesome

[fluid knot]

Honestly in higher settings vs a dense horde you get almost the same effect without transfer due to a skill tree mechanic, not as reliable as Transfer, but still

[primal plume]

They should rename the Surge Blessing to something else

gets confusing when it shares the name of another staff

[ember hornet]

I love void but my biggest issue with it is that it becomes fairly ineffective with good and fast players

[primal plume]

Maybe "Pulse" or something

idk

[fluid knot]

I found that initially, but changed my playstyle to revolve around brain burst for 80% of the mission, quick dispatch of problem units an helps Vets out with shooter management, use the Void just for when there is a big horde

[rare lagoon]

Man why did they have too make monstrum a private lobby penance

[fluid knot]

Trust me thats better

[primal plume]

Rifthaven Mk VI Shield Force Staff (Psyker)

Im sorry what?

[safe crystal]

Voidstrike crits in general are bad. You dont hit any meaningful breakpoints with crits, and surge sometimes being able to oneshot gunners and shotgunners, and this usually means you cant oneshot either scab or dreg gunners because you have to sacrifice flak or unarmoured for the 5% crit, and you sacrifice infinite spamming that gets faster with flurry and transfer peril. The crit damage increase is about ~70-100

[primal plume]

shield?

[ember hornet]

when I play with zealot buddies or a vet, everything is dead before I even have time to void like 2 things and the team is already running ahead

[fluid knot]

Yeah dont aim it at single targets, only big, dense groups

[primal plume]

https://youtu.be/fbOBcHGwWDg?t=59

It better be something like this

[fluid knot]

If your positioning is good you can clear a horde with it faster than an Oggy with a Slaughterer stacked BB

[ember hornet]

no way

never

[fluid knot]

Ye legit

[spice veldt]

i am extremely skeptical of that

voidstrike only has 6 max cleave when fully charged

[fluid knot]

Get them in a choke an line them up you can rinse through them

Nahhh that dont seem right for what im gettin out of it, its a lot more than 6

[ember hornet]

there are no chokes there is only holding W in games I play

[safe crystal]

It cleaves a maximum of 6 hitmass

[fluid knot]

Ah right, gotcha, hitmass, not targets

[spice veldt]

it's 6 unless the server is lagging; during which it will technically have infinite cleave for a moment before the projectile disappears

[fluid knot]

Was gonna say

Well when i aim at domes on a horde, it will pass through anything thats not an elite or special and hit the back wall

[cyan notch]

probably not

[fluid knot]

Line em up and i dont think anything else has the potential to wipe so many dudes so quick

[cyan notch]

line em up and itll kill 6 dudes

[fluid knot]

Nah, its wayyy more than 6 dudes if you hit em in the head

Wayyy more

[cyan notch]

go test it

[spice veldt]

hitting the head changes nothing about the cleave

[ember hornet]

or 12 groaners

[fluid knot]

Well then Surge is doin summat funny, because it appears to just keep on goin

[safe crystal]

Isnt groaner hitmass 0.75?

[spice veldt]

the only example of location affecting cleave is when you hit the carapace head of maulers, because carapace stops any and all finite cleave

[safe crystal]

It cleaves 8 groaners

[ember hornet]

I thought it was 0.5

[spice veldt]

i put 1 cent towards 0.75

[rare lagoon]

Normally yes, but its really annoying when you have an actually competent squad of randoms who are down for it

Instead of changing the penance from being stupid they just shut it into an closet to hide

[fluid knot]

Just ask em to squad up after the mission if you find people who can do it. if you're on later this evening, hell, i'll even help you get it

[cyan notch]

its .75

[fluid knot]

Already done it for like 4 others so no skin offa my back, should only take a couple missions

[rare lagoon]

That would be amazing, I did all the other ones before it got changed

[fluid knot]

It might actually be a little bit harder than before because maybe get a spawn which changes target real easy, but any of the others should be quite simple, though slug takes a while

But ye no worries, drop me a DM now an i'll get back to ya later

[late yew]

yes, it has a use because surge did not exist in VT at all

[safe crystal]

Doesnt bonbon take more damage from BB now, after they gave the weakspot at the back a higher damage modifier?

I might be wrong on this

[spice veldt]

ye, it does

i forget the exact value tho

[primal plume]

Im saying the stunned enemies can limit where enemies can attack from.

[safe crystal]

Thats probably the best monster to do malleum nowadays

[fluid knot]

I dont know honestly, but even if not, its not hard to do, just tedious, not like it moves particularly quick

[safe crystal]

Ikr, i did it in january and kited one around on damnation for a few minutes

[spice veldt]

it takes 1320 damage from BB now

i think it used to be ~700 before

[fluid knot]

Thats before factoring in warp charges?

[spice veldt]

no warp unleashed or warp charges

[fluid knot]

Oh well yeah fuck, it'll be a breeze then

x6 stack charges, ez clap

I really feel like they need to change how the stack cap on Wildfire works now i think about it because its a hard sell vs Warp Battery

[rare lagoon]

I love sticking on a Wildfire build, just watching the fire go a stupid distance

[fluid knot]

Aye its a cool concept, but its held back by the "Stacks cannot exceed those on the dying enemy" bit

[late yew]

actually demon is way faster

just gotta have ogryn with shield

[fluid knot]

If it just had an X chance to spread all stacks to a nearby target that would be a way more valuable choice

[rare lagoon]

Oh imagine the carnage, just shredding ragers with 4 soulblaze stacks just dropping on them

[fluid knot]

Kinda how it is now with a good purga

But either way you have to wait for the DoTs to build up, so it wouldnt ever be that ridiculous

[safe crystal]

How is DH faster? It takes half the damage (770 v 1320), and has around the same health (32 k vs 35k)

[rare lagoon]

Warp Flurry and Barrage max level on my Purge is my go to atm, nothing can hit you half the time and you just spew fire faster each time

[fluid knot]

Apparently Barrage isnt workin on some weapons, though im not sure the extent of that

[rare lagoon]

For purge I find it a little too effective tbh, sometimes it procs on enemys on fire instead of you

so some horde 40 metres away get stunned instead of the ones around you

[late yew]

which won't do much to them

[rare lagoon]

let a man dream hahaha

[fluid knot]

Do yous know about the funni with Purga?

[late yew]

because you will never have to run away from demon

[rare lagoon]

Extra funny? I'm all for it

[fluid knot]

Well basically you can turn crushers into puddles with it

[rare lagoon]

Oh, is this when they are in a horde and ALL the stacks go to them

[fluid knot]

If you apply a number of stacks to them, then slap them in the chops with an Uncanny Strike Force Sword, the DoTs will get buffed because of the armour debuff, this applies to any Carapace or Flak target on fire at the time you proc Uncanny

[rare lagoon]

WHAT

[safe crystal]

Fair, if whoever tries this isnt in a perpetual state of sliding. You're also locking one extra person down while doing DH though, so theres a higher chance of getting overrun

[fluid knot]

So you can wipe out whole groups of Crushers simply by burning them and bonking one of them on the head

[rare lagoon]

Guess what I'm trying tonight hahaha

[ember hornet]

also dots are buffed by slaughterer

[fluid knot]

For extra funni, bring a pal with a Trauma + Rending shockwave 4 (we did this the other day and neither of us had to swap out out staves for melee at any point in the mission, 100% stave uptime)

[fluid knot]

Oh thats interesting.. that makes it even more cracked lel

[safe crystal]

The zealot tech with an extra hoop

[ember hornet]

that combo also one shots teammates with barrels

[rare lagoon]

Gotta love slaughterer

[fluid knot]

Oh thats cool too, can be rid of those knobhead vets who only target enemies about to be bursted

Will make good use of that

[ember hornet]

uncanny takes barrel player damage

from 0.15 to 1

[fluid knot]

LOL

Well thats gonna be hilarious

[ember hornet]

void should really have a cleave blessing as well as enough base cleave for like, 2 ragers

I really wouldn't mind it having infinite cleave I guess if the damage stays as is

[bold tusk]

what should I be looking for on a deimos force sword?

[fluid knot]

Flak/Unarmoured or Flak/Unyeliding, as for blessings probably Slaughterer + Unstable unless you're a stickler for Deflector

[cosmic sigil]

should i put slaughterer instead of executor or instead of shred?

[fluid knot]

Personally i would keep Shred as it has synergy with other blessings, but opinions might vary on that

[ember hornet]

slaughterer over executor

but shred is just gonna be mostly for normal spam

[mental rock]

I would take maniac/flak on deimos

With +maniac you can hit some nice breakpoints with the deimos

[cosmic sigil]

ok thanks

[rare lagoon]

Definitely get slaughterer on the Illisi, thing shreds through hordes with it

Slaughterer with Shred might actually be mad good, just slaughter a horde, turn around and BONK someone into the next realm

[cosmic sigil]

Well i do have a shit ton of very good Illisi right now.. so I'm trying different things

I try unstable slaughterer rn

[pine relic]

Nice

[rare lagoon]

Very nice

[olive ember]

Not bad rip blessings tho

[near wyvern]

Nnnnoooo you gotta go maniac with Deimos. One shot mutant heads with some warp charges and peril. The more you have the other the less you need the other.

[near wyvern]

Deimos likes +Maniac and Unstable Power

But you don't have to take my word for it. See for yourself.

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[bold tusk]

is there a set feat list I should run?

[olive ember]

No one uses unarmoured except on maybe trauma

[near wyvern]

Warp Unleashed is all you need.

[olive ember]

3-1-2-1-3-3 is always a decent starting feat

Tho purge staff notably I’d recommend using 3–1-1-1-1-2

Btw @near wyvern did you ever test out if blazing crit trauma can compete with the more standard flurry rend trauma

[bold tusk]

I'm newly capped, is there something I should be doing first before starting the grind for trying to get optimal gear?

like any "good enough" stuff I want to nab asap so I have stuff to work with?

[near wyvern]

Only for like 200 hours so I'd say I have done my testing on that.

Flurry rend wins on pure DPS race Vs horde but flame trauma wins if you gotta protect your team or deal with ranged as well.

Flame trauma packs more burst damage tho since you can quite easily hit a group of elites with 3 + 6 stack AB = 9 stack flames, so there is a built in oh shit button.

Flame trauma is much more versatile so that's why I roll with it even when you lose out on some DPS under ideal conditions.

[olive ember]

@spice veldt the future is now old man

What build you use? Same as typical purge build?

[near wyvern]

...

So basically if your team is good, flurry trauma does more DPS, if they are not amazing, blaze trauma does more.

[cyan notch]

i dont think theres a big difference

[olive ember]

🤔

[cyan notch]

post it again

[nova dirge]

what does this mean?

[twilit flicker]

It means you are #1 sibling! Well done!

[nova dirge]

woohooo!!!!

[floral relic]

Usually it’s always like that

I assume they have a really shitty login server

[nova dirge]

man, i thought there was a influx of players or something

[floral relic]

So you need to wait in line to use it

But the population playing this game is so small so you are the only person in line

Like you go to a lonely restaurant and you wait to get seated, even if you are the only person in line

The food is pretty good I guess

[olive ember]

Since you thirst for dunkin

[steel flame]

I can second these statements. its pretty much would ive found in my time using it. honestly though i prefer blazing spirit over flurry brittle. its very good at multitasking, i can still lock down big enemies with stagger while also keeping a 6 stack of SB going on the surrounding horde, and AB for 10 stacks can clean up the rest. i think flurry brittle out performs it on lower intensity maps, but on hi intensity and hi shock troop it beats flurry out

[steel flame]

i know pygex prefers warp battery in t5 but i find wild fire to be much better at cleanup with fire trauma

[feral verge]

Warp battery everyday all day

[steel flame]

i just dont get it

[graceful eagle]

still cant belive people use fire trauma on t5 is not just as meme

[olive ember]

Apparently it’s actually good enough to contend with flurry shockwave

Oh yeah @near wyvern do you use warp unleashed or tranquility since you have 6 stacks from WB and trauma has rly high peril gen

[fluid knot]

Yeah, i know you can OHK a mutie with it, but its not all that consistent and building around somethin that might only happen 50% of the time dont do it for me personally

[steel flame]

i believe we both use warp unleashed and do the fast quell animation cancel to stay borderlined at 80%

[olive ember]

Meh but I wanna be lazy

[steel flame]

cant argue with that

[near wyvern]

With flurry you have to go inner tranq battery or you cannot use the flurry properly

With Nexus spirit you go warp unleashed and quell cancel

[near wyvern]

Exuse me wtf, not consistent???

To me it happens multiple times every match

You gotta aim to the lower right jaw when it comes

And then you can also do it through the back as well if it got a friend before you got there

[fluid knot]

Nah i get it, i know other people who can pull it off regularly, but for me it aint, its like half the time on a good day 😅

So thusly i take something that is gonna be more usable if an when its needed

Besides, its pretty funny to poke a Reaper's eyes out with it

[feral verge]

This is correct

Aim to the lower right

Crab tested it for me

.

Here's his post that helped me figure it out

[agile garden]

Maccabian Mk V Duelling Sword

• What Perks?
• What Blessings?
• What stat priority? Mobility first
  I picked this weapon because I like the dodge profile, is Precognition and Riposte good choices? Thanks for the help

[near wyvern]

First of all. You might want to try Deimos. A bit similar dodge pattern but infinite dodges, cleaves better and does more single target DPS.

If you still want to go with the Mk V Duelling Sword, I would take +maniac +flak and Rampage & Uncanny Strike for blessings.

Precognition and Riposte are 💩 because they require an enemy to go through their attacking animation while targetting you. That means if you (or any of your allies) push them or attack them and interrupt their attack you get no buff.

In general you always want to stop the enemy from attacking and use dodges when that fails.

[mental rock]

When I used the mk5 I liked uncanny/ shred, but when the deimos came out I realized it's just a better duelling sword

[near wyvern]

Shred is also an option yeah

[harsh urchin]

shred is just a pretty bad blessing

[near wyvern]

Not really

You cleave more with crits

[harsh urchin]

that isn't true fyi

[near wyvern]

And if you hit multiple opponents with one swing you get multiple stacks

With Duelling Swords you seem to cleave more the last time I tested it

Dunno if that has changed since I haven't touched one since Deimos was released

[harsh urchin]

#theorycrafting message

[ornate hamlet]

this is the popular War Hammer 40 000 video game DARKITDE™

[agile garden]

yeah i have god roll deimos and illisi, just wanted to try something new

[ember hornet]

me playing psyker in diablo

[raven gate]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[cyan notch]

how lol

[ember hornet]

I literally have 0 clue

[raven gate]

best guess it was a suicide move. maybe he hit a barrel? or his peril reached 100% and he still brainburst lilith

[ember hornet]

lol

maybe I blew something up idk

I run shadowblight corpse explosion

so I can't fucking see half the time

[minor verge]

10% dmg on specialist or 20% on infested on deimos?

[cyan notch]

it says slain by environment for those usually

[ember hornet]

that's also true

hmm

[ember hornet]

pretty sure infested does nothing

[steel flame]

Pox hounds

....

And pox bursters

Not that you really wanna be Killing poxbursters with diemos

[knotty river]

So i now have blown myself up multiple times by freeaiming BB starting at less than 96% and targetting before the channel was done... Is the peril threshold different for freeaim?

[ember hornet]

by nothing I mean nothing meaningful, obviously

[ember hornet]

I think you just need a target at 97, could be wrong but fairly sure

[knotty river]

thank you

[tired tinsel]

I thought it was changed to be anything less than 100? Pretty sure I’ve done BB at 99 plenty of times and haven’t blown up but maybe I got lucky with quell proc chance

[steel flame]

If your charging and not locked on you need to have a target before 95 otherwise you go boom when you cast bb

[kind jay]

bb has a weird mechanic where you can hit 100 twice before it triggers perils

[steel flame]

On brand for psyker

[hallow thorn]

on the power sword, does this mean that when you kill with your special attack you gain a 100% crit chance for your next attack, or does this mean that you special attack has a 100% critchance period.

[raven gate]

sounds more like the former. but since its fatshark that wrote this. I would double check in the psykanium

[hallow thorn]

or does it mean that if you were to get a crit on the special attackand it would be fatal to the enemy then it would make the hit crit 100% (???)

I dont have this blessing rn

[cyan notch]

its the first one

get a special kill and your next swing will be guaranteed crit

even if u miss

[raven gate]

all my kills are special 🙂

[hallow thorn]

ahh I was wishing it was the latter, would be too good tho

okay question 2

on this when you have this feat

does the block cost reduction affect the peril gain

[raven gate]

yes

probably

lol

[hallow thorn]

yeah

[raven gate]

u know its something i always assumed it did but now that i think about it. i never tested it

[hallow thorn]

kinda a hassle to test it too

[raven gate]

though it makes sense that it does

[thorn cedar]

The Peril gained is based on the cost % cost of Stamina lost.

[hallow thorn]

so its a yes?

[thorn cedar]

I wrote cost twice there, anyway --

[raven gate]

can we get a third cost?

[thorn cedar]

Yes, and that also means more actual Stamina also reduces the Peril cost.

[hallow thorn]

nice

thanks guys

love you

[thorn cedar]

So if you wanna mega-meme about it, 3 +3 Stamina Curios with Block Efficiency on them + your weapon basically makes you unkillable with right-click

Guns will still absolutely demolish you though, I don't know what their math is exactly but bullets are very expensive to block.

[hallow thorn]

lmao kinda wanna test that

[candid crest]

Hello, Siblings. I have rolled this Trauma. Now, the conventional wisdom says to reroll maniac to flak, but I am wondering if I should keep maniac on it and reroll unarmored sepecially with 6 warp charges?

[spice veldt]

with 80% damage, you'll need +18.42% damage to one-shot dreg bruiseres (450hp); so if you can consistently maintain 5 warp charges, then go for it

[candid crest]

thanks, roll unarmored then to flak for scab ragers or +cara for crushers?

[spice veldt]

I personally like +flak to two-shot dreg gunners

you could go for carapace if you want though depending on how much you use trauma on dreg gunners

[viral inlet]

a british greeting

[steel flame]

Seems right on point

[olive ember]

@spice veldt did you see how the new meta for trauma is blazing crit?

[spice veldt]

is it a new meta

[olive ember]

Yes

[olive ember]

The future is now old man @spice veldt

[spice veldt]

doesn't have focused channeling so i disagree with it

[olive ember]

You fucking

…

Brainlet

[spice veldt]

you're a let

a let down

https://streamable.com/1bfwl7

mfer prioritizing killing the trapper over rescuing me with the approaching burster

[olive ember]

ofc I prioritize the trapper

there was nothing nearby anyways besides the burster you were fine anyways

[spice veldt]

yeah and if anything else besides the burster did come by?

the willpower it took to hold myself back from typing in capslock in chat

[feral verge]

this is one of my pet peeves

i had 2 incidents yesterday

one, i got trapped. there's a reaper in front of me

a vet proceeds to walk over to me, st and right on top of me

and just starts shooting at the reaper lol

[spice veldt]

actual stereotypical vet

[lunar hollow]

if u get trapped with an enemy next to u its best to klill the enemy

u take fuck all for damage from the net

[spice veldt]

the anger that it evokes is enough for me to want to strangle them

[feral verge]

the other one, i got trapped ofc. ogryn runs over to me, proceeds to kill the trapper. ogryn was like.. level 45 i think

[spice veldt]

yeah and we're both psykers who have basically a guranteed catch on the trapper

esp when it's reloading right on me

[lunar hollow]

i always kill the trapper first cuz like

[feral verge]

i tell him in chat: i reccomend saving the netted person first, takes 1 second

[lunar hollow]

there's always that one time

where it doesnt die

and runs around

[feral verge]

and he said 'nah im always gonna kill trapper first

[lunar hollow]

and i end up getting netted

[feral verge]

skill issue

[lunar hollow]

if u dont have a shit weap u kill it literally instantly

its squishy af

but then again some people just let shit wail on u

while ur netted

and i dont do that

[feral verge]

always save the netted person first

half a second, if that

[lunar hollow]

never

[feral verge]

trapper probably wont get away

but if it does? so what

yall know about it

you will be ready to kill it next time

when they reset their net, it's really loud

and if the netted person is smart, they will have marked'spotted the trapper

so it can be hunted and killed

its far faster to remove the net

[spice veldt]

yes to freeing the trapped person cuz you'll have two people that's up

[feral verge]

than it is to revive the trapped person who got downed

[spice veldt]

especially when derpy is that close to me

[feral verge]

cuz they took too much damage

cuz someone wasted time going after the trapper

[late yew]

you should always free trapped person first

if you don't do that, you are fuckn ape brain

[feral verge]

if it took the standard revive time to save a netted perosn, then yteah i think i'd say to kill the trapper

but it literally takes half a second

so, no excuse imo

[late yew]

^

[ornate hamlet]

Y'know, if someone didn't tell me he was shanking Dooku...

I'd think things worthy of the zealot chat

[late yew]

Also it is not about fuickn net

it is about enemies around

[feral verge]

and idk, when im trapped, i'm thinking "free me, free me!"

[late yew]

and also a chance that another person gets trapped by different trapper, or grabbed by mutant, or by dog

[feral verge]

not "oh please make sure that trapper is dead"

[late yew]

yeah

[spice veldt]

FREE ME YOU MOTHERUFCKERNIAJFNJIKASFNKJJKFASF

[feral verge]

plus if you really want tto kill the trapper

you're more likely to kill it when there are 4 team members gunning for it

[late yew]

yes

[feral verge]

lastly, i find it's really rare for a trapper to actually net someone and get away to net someone else again

that scenario almost never happens

trapper either dies as it makes it'

s escape

or enroute to trap the 2nd person

it rarely ever succeeds the 2nd time

[olive ember]

It literally didn’t matter

To me

There was no threat to you so killing trapper or freeing you was same priority to me

[spice veldt]

you're a psychopath so that's why

[feral verge]

the only time i will not free the person first is if there are 2 trappers, or if i heard the trapper reload

[olive ember]

Well actually kill the burster away from you was my first priority XD

[spice veldt]

3m away from me and you couldn't walk yourself over to me

[olive ember]

I was also in fucking shock that you got trapped ngl

[spice veldt]

WHAT

[olive ember]

I saw that shit

Nothing there just a trapper

And you fucking failed

[spice veldt]

the trapper walked right into my face

I didn't expect it to invade my personal space

[olive ember]

You walked towards it ffs

I thought you were trying to melee it didn’t even realize you were BB’ing it until you posted the clip

[spice veldt]

regardless of whether I approach or not, trappers usually fire at you once you enter a certain range

it was presumably that pillar that messed with their pathing

[olive ember]

Well either way I take care of trapper first, especially if there’s no threat

[harsh urchin]

yes, trapper that has shot his load is lowest priority

[olive ember]

The amount of times I’ve seen team let trapper get away when it’s a free kill

[spice veldt]

no perceptible threat

[harsh urchin]

sometimes I even rezz teammate and then just leave

[olive ember]

And then it shows up later once a horde spawns

[harsh urchin]

and let them take care of it

[olive ember]

I was watching your behind

[spice veldt]

also it would've taken you less than a second to run up to me

[harsh urchin]

if they get trapped again then i'm just letting them die lul

[spice veldt]

this isn't a scenario where you're far away

[olive ember]

Also if shot really got bad I had ult ready if there was a horde to pull you up

[spice veldt]

you smell

like peepee poopoo

[harsh urchin]

ye but if u untrap someone

and they get trapped again by the same trapper

then you should just let them die

[olive ember]

Idgaf about that the only thing I care about is “there’s no threat, kill the fucker which takes 3 seconds to ensure they don’t show up and fuck us over later”

[spice veldt]

trapper actually standing on top of me

not even moving

also, it would've taken less than 3 seconds to run up to me and pick me up

[olive ember]

I could’ve picked you up, but then I’d have to deal with burster and idk where trapper would’ve fucked off too

[spice veldt]

wow, it's almost like there would've been a second person

to deal with the trapper

HMMM

[olive ember]

So I did the order of events that ensured the cleanest outcome

Yeah well I’m used to brain dead teammates so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak sapphire]

What blessings and perks for purgatorus staff?

[olive ember]

Nexus + flurry, flak + maniac/unyielding/crit chance

Also there was no threats anyways, you were full hp pretty much, I was watching the other direction when you got trapped and there was nothing

[weak sapphire]

Thanks man

[olive ember]

I mean yes theoretically I could pick you up and then there’s 2 people but in that particular instance there was zero threat and killing the trapper first, pushing burster and then picking you up pretty much guaranteed cleanest thing without this variable known as “teammates”

[spice veldt]

I also had zero trust in your ability to push the burster

[weak sapphire]

Almost perfect. Damn perk

[olive ember]

Lmao well you’re the one who got trapped so you aren’t in a position to complain

And things ended up perfectly fine anyways so yeah

[spice veldt]

you're a peepee poopoo

[lunar hollow]

people who get netted don't get to decide when theyre rescued

smh

[olive ember]

Josho knows this all too well

[spice veldt]

well you enjoy it first of all so your opinion doesn't matter

[lunar hollow]

i have never enjoyed it once thats all lies and deception

[harsh urchin]

perk is bad, also doesnt hit the burn breakpoint

[lunar hollow]

it is funny

[olive ember]

The stats are actually a bit mid so you would’ve replaced it sooner or later

(You want 76+ burn and 80 cloud radius)

[weak sapphire]

Yeah hence the "damn perk"

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/milo-morbius-mcr-my-chemical-romance-foundations-of-decay-gif-25795671

[olive ember]

Also @spice veldt just be glad I didn’t surge staff the trapper and poxburster

Could’ve just sat there and t-bagged while I slowly surged them to death kekw

Maybe throw in some staff lmbs too

[spice veldt]

you're a proper menace

[olive ember]

No no I’m just a mosquito according to Josho

You are the real threat

[spice veldt]

i'm only a threat to josho

i'm safe to the general public

[olive ember]

[lunar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-confused-gif-23717381

[ornate hamlet]

seggsual predation

[lunar hollow]

what did i do

[spice veldt]

you have too much rizz for your own good

[olive ember]

You rubbed off your net hugger habits onto arco

[spice veldt]

yeah i sniffed too much of josho

[lunar hollow]

i cant help it 😭

[olive ember]

Truly the Fortnite generation has doomed us

First it was “we like Fortnite” now it’s “rizz”

[lunar hollow]

i have done absolutely nothing to deserve arco's harassment

[spice veldt]

existence itself can be justification

[lunar hollow]

no

[olive ember]

https://youtu.be/OTTz-lYLxwk

Straight drippin bro 😎

[spice veldt]

very true

[harsh urchin]

what the fuck is drip

is this some genz shit

like riz

[median horizon]

So Siblings, what is your favorite staff atm? For me it's Voidstrike, it's so versital and effective. The ability to pierce through hordes flooding towards is so powerful, the other staves seem medicore by comparison.

[olive ember]

Anything besides voidstrike

Voidstrike is the worst of the 4 staves

Perhaps soon to be 5 unless the datamined staff is dogshit

[olive ember]

Drip is just um… the precursor of rizz

Kekw

[fathom adder]

Autopistol

(For serious answer, it's actually Trauma)

[pallid smelt]

is headhunter even good?

[fathom adder]

But Trauma really only shines against densely packed, mixed enemies, like all staves it's horribly inefficient if the enemy is even somewhat dispersed

[white sky]

Yes but not ideal on a 12

I recommend trying to get the thing that gives HS bonus damage flat out

[spice veldt]

trauma is still pretty good against dispersed groups of ranged enemies because of the 8.4 meter radius outer area

so at the very worst, you'll just interrupt their volleys (for a very brief moment) and take their aggro

[candid lava]

Deadly Accurate + Headhunter is BiS on Mg12 for a Vet.
Not sure what the Mg12 does for a psyker.

[agile garden]

i disagree, illisi or deimos with slaughter and shred is really good

[spice veldt]

shred stacks disappear when you activate the special of the illisi unless you've got soulblaze ticks proccing it

and special spam being generally the best way to use the illisi if you've got peril to spare

[olive ember]

since when was that BiS

pretty sure ghost has always been BiS for lasguns

[lethal folio]

Maniac, flak and opening salvo for all the good XII bps

[fluid knot]

Heavy spam on Illisi still slaps when you're got Slaghterer stacks lets be fair

At least for anything up to a Maniac rager anyway

[olive ember]

well yes but the argument is that shred is kinda mid

since it falls off too quickly

[spice veldt]

and QQing the first heavy for heavy spam will drops shred stacks anyways

[fluid knot]

Its still a DPS increase which gives it more value than a number of other blessings

Amazing it is not, but i wouldnt say its bad

[cosmic sigil]

Opening salvo take a fucking ass long time to reset tho. It's not as worse on the x12 than the others but still...

[candid lava]

Ehm, don't know. It always kinda made sense to me since Vet has higher base crit, inbuilt Crit multiplier and dat ult.
I'm sure Ryken made a video on the Kantraels and ran the maffs, go check it out.
@lethal folio - Opening Salvo takes a smidge too long for my taste on the 12.

[ember hornet]

how

are you not like

shooting various elites and specials in the head

[cosmic sigil]

Tbh. I'm not sure opening salvo is necessary on the x12. What bp does it help you achieve?

[ember hornet]

it's the only reliable damage blessing

[candid lava]

There's this question too. I ran it for a while, then dumped it and never looked for it again... But I'm no bone 'ead, so yeah...

[cosmic sigil]

At the expense of faster firing rate

[fluid knot]

Afaik it also resets with the recoil so its somewhat exploitable on more accurate, slower firing weapons

[lethal folio]

It was one of the dreg elite hs, and stalker bodyshots.

[cosmic sigil]

But it's better on zealot or psyker than vet

[lethal folio]

It is not tied to recoil.

[fluid knot]

Its not?

[lethal folio]

It is just a set number.

[fluid knot]

Seems like it is on HH

[cosmic sigil]

Wait. What?

[candid lava]

HH treats the word "salvo" in a weird way. 😄

[cosmic sigil]

It feels like the HH but worse.

[fluid knot]

Ahh that might be the case

[cosmic sigil]

HH OS has a very very fast reset in ads

[fluid knot]

Coz on the semi-auto one, opening salvo is up a huge amount of the time

[ember hornet]

for vet opening is what, like 25% damage boost?

[fluid knot]

Still kind a wack gun tho

[fluid knot]

15% on T4, but idk how that works out on Vet

[lethal folio]

On vraks 7 ads it.s 0.25s

[ember hornet]

it's power so 15%

is multiplied by vet damage boost

from sniper and F and whatever else

[candid lava]

power, not dmg. But yeah. 15% i think

[harsh urchin]

power is dmg

it's also stagger+cleave

[ember hornet]

probably works out around 25% damage

[candid lava]

power is dmg, stagger, cleave and morning coffee, afaik

[fluid knot]

Yeah that would check out Lazorr

[fluid knot]

To reset?

Yeah no wonder it gets a lot of uptime then

[cosmic sigil]

Better than a morning bj.

[candid lava]

Anyway, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj06iYvPuA4&t=1s

And for the HH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcdrDgWBk7U

[ember hornet]

ugh

[fluid knot]

Oh look its Ryken' stuffs

[ember hornet]

the clickbait thumbnails hurt so much

[fluid knot]

He's a cool dude

[olive ember]

I forgot

[candid lava]

Ryken is solid.

[olive ember]

Ryken is alright yeh

not

claysthetic

[cosmic sigil]

Ryken doesn't recommend os on the lasguns huhu

But his HH video is sound

[ember hornet]

what is the reset time on mg12 opening

[candid lava]

too long

[cosmic sigil]

Clickbaitclay

[harsh urchin]

i mean even if you disagree, the mechanics on it is that the stacks fall off if you block or special

[cosmic sigil]

Sooooooo long

[harsh urchin]

which is objectively terrible lol

[fluid knot]

I dont wanna be that guy but there are very few DT content creators who have thier shit together, Ryken is certainly one of them tho

[ember hornet]

shred is for light spam

[lethal folio]

1.2 seconds

[ember hornet]

that's about it

hmm 1.2 seconds is a while

[lethal folio]

No, 1

[candid lava]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[calm sapphire]

youtubers?

[cosmic sigil]

But if you dodge light spam it's good. There's situations where i just can't activate the special. Or wont bother.

[candid lava]

damn it, make up your mind @lethal folio 😄

[lethal folio]

Hellbore is 1.2

[olive ember]

Ngl the fact that they don't mention ghost is kinda sus

[fluid knot]

Youtubers/Streamers, Telopots is another good un

[harsh urchin]

yeah but you still have to block

[olive ember]

ghost literally lets you ignore shots and just stand there and kill things

its fucking stupid

[harsh urchin]

like if you're gonna tell me you don't block, then i don't believe you

[candid lava]

Ghost is great on the Laspistol, with +Crit and Unyielding and any other blessing

[lethal folio]

They put the clear time in the spread template section for no discernable reason.

[cosmic sigil]

I block I block

[fluid knot]

Its the same deal as "decimator" on axes, its easy to drop stacks, but its also easy to get em back again

[thorn cedar]

Worrying about losing your 5 Shred stacks on a weapon that gets them all back on the 2nd or 3rd swing is a bit silly.

[ember hornet]

I mean let's be honest, nobody blocks but everyone pushes, same issue though

[lunar hollow]

decimator is a considerably better blessing than shred for all purposes

[lethal folio]

The one reason you don't want ghost on laspistol is you go unwavering focus/deadshot on vet, because whe you take a hit you get stamina back

[calm sapphire]

I don't block on ogryn but I do tend to block alot if im not oggy boi

[cosmic sigil]

Buy yesterday I discovered the joy of high toughness, high peril, kinetic shield. I dodged a lot more and pushed when necessary.

[fluid knot]

Yes' nt, though its not the best thing in the world by any stretch, having a sword that can semi-reliably set people on fire is cool as fuck and i wont ever change that opinion 😂

[ember hornet]

regardless unstable is on average better than any other secondary blessing

[harsh urchin]

yes

if you like it cuz it's cool

that's legit

[fluid knot]

Its actually good on Zealot tho i will say that

Because synergy

[cosmic sigil]

I make a case of exorcists + quietude

[lunar hollow]

shred on zealot weapons is only used on weapons that have bad damage

like claw

[fluid knot]

Like T'axes already crit a shitton, so its very easy to use it to proc more bleeds and thusly have more crit

Also claw yeah

[ember hornet]

except crit zealot is literally just worse than any other option unless you are doing it for fun

[fluid knot]

Most of the time yeah

[candid lava]

The vet chat pointed me to a funny build - Ghost + Duck and Dive >> Deadshot. Ghost registers incomming shots as "dodged" after headshots, hence feeding your Duck and Dive >> Deadshot.

[lunar hollow]

taxe is basically just a shittier caxe with the illusion of 'mobility'

[spice veldt]

opportunity cost also should be factored in, as there is the comparison of other blessings like Unstable Power, which does work on your special swing without any conditions like soulblaze

[lethal folio]

I swear by duck and dive

[fluid knot]

Ehhh, nah i dont agree with that, some of the T'axes have lovely movesets

[ember hornet]

it is

[lethal folio]

But I can't deny unwavering is broken.

[ember hornet]

taxe is just worse caxe

[ember hornet]

yeah... it's way too good

[harsh urchin]

crits just suck xdd

they need to make it so crits remove the cleave limit

[candid lava]

Duck and Dive + Ghost is the only build I know of that makes it work well.
In any other case - unwavering and forget. 😄

[harsh urchin]

then it'd be sick af

or double cleave limit idk

[ember hornet]

taxe already has infinite cleave

[fluid knot]

That would be actually really dope i wont lie

[thorn cedar]

Crits are pretty fkn fat my guy, depending on the weapon anyway.

[ember hornet]

crits are fat

[spice veldt]

not with regards to hordeclear

[ember hornet]

for vet

[lethal folio]

And laspistol gets enough headshot kills you can stack it with exhilarating takedown

[ember hornet]

and only vet

[thorn cedar]

Plasma Gun for exaple, not so much

[candid lava]

Exactly.

[spice veldt]

crits are extremely shit for hordeclear because of the reduced crit multiplier on successive targets hit

[harsh urchin]

crits are super fat iirc on automatic guns cuz they make the next 4 shots crit

[fluid knot]

More valuable when dealing with a properly mixed horde i find, less so when its just trash

[lunar hollow]

plasma gun has this depressing problem where u have 0 incentive to ever try to use crits or weakspots on anything that isnt an ogryn cuz ur not ever gonna hit a BP with it

[fluid knot]

Like when a bunch of ragers or maulers wander into the middle crits are certainly a big plus

[thorn cedar]

They don't do this except for the burst Headhunters.

[ember hornet]

not true

[spice veldt]

they do

[ember hornet]

many many weapons crit chain

[thorn cedar]

Whaaaat

[candid lava]

Name them! 😮

[lunar hollow]

automatic weapons normally have crit chains of variable length

[ember hornet]

autopistol is one

IAGs also IIRC

[fluid knot]

Void + Crits i rate (might be an unpopular opinion tho) simply because of their kinda pre-determined nature if you crit on one dude with Void, you also crit on everything else that orb touches

[candid lava]

I've not noticed crit chains on shredder. And I have a +crit/ Cavalcade one on the vet for the lols

[ember hornet]

if they are going to use relative damage which I think is less than ideal, then they should also include multipliers from feats

[spice veldt]

crits are only +30% damage on the voidstrike

[cosmic sigil]

The search for the elusive unstable 4 slaughterer 4 low warp resist still continue

[narrow fossil]

hi i'm new to the game and i just have a question! i've leveled my psyker to 30 and am looking at weapons in Sire Melk's thing. I'm playing psyker and am curious as to what stats to be looking out for on staffs so i know what's worth picking up. Any help would be great as i'm sure many of you in here are pretty experienced at the game. IDK if this is the right place for this or not so i apologize.

[ember hornet]

10% crit on autopistol is something like 30% effective crit cause the chaining

[cosmic sigil]

Best i have is 61 low warp with that setup...

[spice veldt]

and you are improving the chance of getting the crits, not making it a certainty

[fluid knot]

Yeah its not a massive increase, but its well distributed across multiple targets which gives it a lot more value

[candid lava]

Alright, as usual, I believe in the Lazorr.

[spice veldt]

with +25% crit (20% from nexus and +5% as a perk), you're only getting a benefit of a 0.25 * 0.3 = 7.5% damage increase on average

[cosmic sigil]

Look at the pinned comment about the steam guide first i think. No?

[narrow fossil]

thanks i'll check that out

[spice veldt]

unless you're hitting notable breakpoints with that and consistently so, I don't see it as a something noteworthy

[fluid knot]

That is before factoring in the double shot from the Surge blessing though, so it can be higher a decent amount of the time

[ember hornet]

this is part of why autopistol is best way to get the crit stun kill penance for zealot

[cosmic sigil]

You can check Ryken XIV yt videos too @narrow fossil

[spice veldt]

i don't know how surge exactly works, but assuming that it's basically just a copy of your projectile, then the benefit that you get is going to be 0.25 * 1 = 25%

[ember hornet]

pretty sure it's just a copy

[fluid knot]

as far as i understand it thats how it works, i dont think it runs the damage calculation twice though i guess if i was patient enough i could probably work it out

[ember hornet]

technically the only way to increase average damage per shot on void

and tbh probably better cause I always have 0 time to sit there and spam void on good teams

[fluid knot]

Yeah whilst i adore it, its incredibly situational, very good if you've got the space to position yourself properly, but even then i end up running 80% of the mission with burst/Illisi

[ember hornet]

exactly, I just find myself turning into illisi bot most of the time

[fluid knot]

Thats not a bad thing though when its got such great killing power and a wicked moveset

[ember hornet]

it's a bad thing for relative game balance imo

[fluid knot]

Plus your oggys thank you for contributing more to shooter control with burst/Kinetic Barrage

[spice veldt]

it's fairly boring when the optimal way to use it is pretty much always special spam

also brain burst is such a slow way of dealing with shooters

[ember hornet]

yeah

[spice veldt]

just dive them with melee

[ember hornet]

I just charge at shooters and press F on psyker lol

[fluid knot]

It is slower, but its also safe, which is kinda good because your team has to worry about you less

[lunar hollow]

if only staffs had LMBs that weren't god awful outside of purg

[spice veldt]

presumably, your team is also in the fight

if you're forward, you can take aggro or melee lock them

which provides opportunities for your team to do damage without gaf

[lunar hollow]

nothing is safer than enemies not being on the screen

[cosmic sigil]

So useful against snipers in vent purge.. on the other hand

[ember hornet]

if you have a good zealot, shooters should not be a huge threat

[spice veldt]

unless the map section has a lot of verticality, you can almost always rush them

[fluid knot]

Well, if they actually decide to swap to thier melee weapon anyway 😂 They gotta fix that problem

[spice veldt]

they do pretty consistently swap if your melee is out

[ember hornet]

yeah that problem is mostly fixed

[spice veldt]

and I prefer to take ranged damage over melee damage

[fluid knot]

Yeah it works, but sometimes it feels like you're five foot from a dude who is still shootin at you

Particualrly with scabbos

[spice veldt]

stalkers (non-elite ranged enemies without glowing eyes) have low base damage in exchange for their high toughness damage, so I don't mind getting shot by them

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt are u playing or are u sitting in the psykhanium or some gay shit

[fluid knot]

Yeah, maybe up to a point, its even safer having a Zealot with Indignatus, sure stuff int dying fast, but its not molesting anyone either

[spice veldt]

i'm testing shit mf

[lunar hollow]

wow

😦

[spice veldt]

eat my ass

[lunar hollow]

rude

guess im gonna have to go conscript some other aura user so that i can be the most annoying ogryn ever and spam bullrush on everything

[fluid knot]

You tryin to do penance aye?

[lunar hollow]

nope

i just wanna run around

ive got all the class penances done

[fluid knot]

Reminds me actually i need to help someone get thier malleus

[ember hornet]

I think my brain has decided that warp nexus surge void is actually better in a good team

[spice veldt]

no josho is just being the stereotypical pub ogryn using bullrush unnecessarily

[lunar hollow]

when u dont blow urself up anything is better

[lunar hollow]

it is not unnecessary when pub players bash bulwark shields in

[ember hornet]

look I can't just not play psyker for a month and not blow myself up when I'm stroking my sword that hard

[lunar hollow]

and besides

[fluid knot]

You will actually have the space to use it more often its certainly true

[lunar hollow]

are u seriously gonna tell me not to charge every group of shooters/gunners

[ember hornet]

exactly

[spice veldt]

you can do that

[lunar hollow]

i have to knock em around so trauma users can't inflate their scoreboard

[spice veldt]

eat ass

[lunar hollow]

im not fuckin stupid

[lunar hollow]

smh

[spice veldt]

1984

[lunar hollow]

u'd have to get to them first

which requires me to play passively

[fluid knot]

If you wanna chase yellow numbers, just block like ten attacks and you'll be on the top of the board, at least in current scoreboard iteration

[lunar hollow]

my ogryn stops for NOTHING

[cosmic sigil]

One can cream

[spice veldt]

does ogryn's bullrush grant ranged dodge

[ember hornet]

no

[fluid knot]

Nope

[lunar hollow]

u go so fast ur not really taking damage

[spice veldt]

f

[lunar hollow]

and like

i have 444 health

[spice veldt]

true

[lunar hollow]

a couple bullets is nothing

hp is a resource shit only goes bad once u hit below 1

[ember hornet]

it literally took me like 3 games of playing ogryn again to realize how absolutely shit ogryns are at using F

[cosmic sigil]

420 would have been better

[lunar hollow]

i had 421 and then i upgraded to a better curio

[ember hornet]

imagine running health curios on ogryn

[fluid knot]

You do have "Non-Stop Violence" as an option though too, so if you're charging a wall of shooters even if they manage to peel your toughness you have it all back when connecting with said wall

[ember hornet]

[lunar hollow]

sorry let me give up 144 extra health for like 12 toughness

on a class that instantly regens toughness the second u swing ur melee twice

[ember hornet]

exactly why would you run health

[fluid knot]

Can leave medicae's for Psykers is my main reasoning

You can be on 40% HP an still have more than most Psyker's full bar

[ember hornet]

I'm just a toughness stan for every class

so it goes

[lunar hollow]

my weapons have the same rating

wtf

[ember hornet]

I don't like when HP ogryns take damage and steal med kits

is my biggest issue

[lunar hollow]

shouldve healed faster smh

[fluid knot]

Personally dont have an issue with any class mechanics other than Vets

[ember hornet]

nerf vet into the ground when

[fluid knot]

Godmode vs shooters is not ok its true

[spice veldt]

illuminati?

[lunar hollow]

u dont get to react to my messages until u come be my cdr slutt

smh

[fluid knot]

It also stunts thier mechanical knowledge hard because the class also has fuckin camo expert which is an awful perk that needs to go

[ember hornet]

I tried to argue in vet chat that ignoring 90% of game mechanics was not healthy for the game, but they didn't like that

[spice veldt]

nno

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah i bet they didnt.. talk about kicking the hornets nest

[harsh urchin]

i dont go to vet chat anymore lol

[lunar hollow]

[harsh urchin]

it's insanely toxic

[lunar hollow]

vet chat is hell

[harsh urchin]

like legitimately i've already blocked 2-3 ppl

from that chat

[lunar hollow]

it was better when people would tell u to shut up for talking about the game

[harsh urchin]

and i've blocked 0 from rest of this server

[spice veldt]

tfw duck n' dive exists but also competes with unwavering focus, and there's a mechanic in a game that gives you stamina back when taking damage (including toughness dmg)

[ember hornet]

zealot chat and psyker chat are basically the same chat at this point

and based

[spice veldt]

they are exactly the same chat

[harsh urchin]

it's cuz zealot and psyker are good

[ember hornet]

I literally just go to whichever chat has the current most active people I know that are in both

[lunar hollow]

zealot is the worst class in the game and also responsible for all balance issues if u ask some people in vet chat

[fluid knot]

They're the two most interesting classes to play lets be honest

[spice veldt]

psyker chat is psyker chat and zealot chat is psyker chat

[lunar hollow]

i've seen motherfuckers in vet chat say the only way to be effective on zealot is to use thammer

[fluid knot]

kek

[lunar hollow]

and that the psword nerf hurt other classes

[fluid knot]

KEK

What the fuck

[spice veldt]

interesting

[lunar hollow]

like bro if u dont play other classes

do not fucking talk about them

there's one person in vet chat who talks out their ass about the game constantly and whenever theyre in there i just click off

[lunar hollow]

something something because vet got weaker in melee... other classes suffer because vet is now more passive... something something zealots complaining

its mind-numbing

[calm sapphire]

zealot outclassed by ogryn in melee

[lunar hollow]

as if psword isn't like one of the strongest melees in the game still

[lunar hollow]

who review bombed over a nerf and who didn't review bomb over a bugfix?

lol

[cosmic sigil]

I was like...

[spice veldt]

psyker melee be like

[lunar hollow]

ive seen a handful of people say thammer is useless cuz no more bugged thrust

and those people probably all sucked at using thammer

and didn't understand anything about the weapon

[harsh urchin]

it's the same ppl who fotm super hard

[cosmic sigil]

Darcy was still moaning

[harsh urchin]

like the ppl who were knife zealot

when it was 75%

[cosmic sigil]

I wanted to slap him so hard

[harsh urchin]

damage reduction

[lunar hollow]

ignore everything darcy says about game balance its probably all trolling

none of it is real its all intended to start stupid arguments

[harsh urchin]

you should listen to me about game balance tbh

cuz i'm really bad

[spice veldt]

speak your wisdom

[harsh urchin]

so i have to actually rely on op weapons and shit

[lunar hollow]

this is all wholly dependent on player skill

[harsh urchin]

you should use eviscerator on zealot

[spice veldt]

alright you can stay quiet now

[lunar hollow]

u put a hsword zealot and a bb ogryn in a box with optimal feat/blessing/perk lineup and the variation in damage will come down to who is better at the game

[ember hornet]

[spice veldt]

you've had your podium

[lunar hollow]

this is

perhaps the worst fucking thing ive ever seen someone say in a single sentence

[ember hornet]

lol

[lunar hollow]

hitting u with that dumb shit about misunderstanding thammer

and then

dropping the self report

"id rather use my dagger"

[feral verge]

Lmao

That makes no sense

I don't need to say that, but

Lmfao

[cosmic sigil]

I play with a zealot taxe shredder running 212123... who just outdamage and outrank everyone. Except bolter+ps vet.

So yay. Skill.

[lunar hollow]

if ur not outdamaging people with an autopistol u have a problem

[feral verge]

Oh no thammer can't one shot without x anymore, better use a weapon that can 137 shot a mutie instead 😔

[ember hornet]

except he was also reporting

[lunar hollow]

tbh half the people who use autopistol do the most gremlin shit ever

[ember hornet]

that he used ironhelm

[lunar hollow]

and just spam it on everything

[cosmic sigil]

When there's 3 shredder it's hard! Targets go down so fast!

[ember hornet]

because crucis can one shot muties with just thrust fairly easily

[lunar hollow]

like brother u did not need to kill a single scab bruiser in the corner

[calm sapphire]

ogryn is arguably skill issue friendly so u can just do pretty good in melee even if u suck at melee

[ember hornet]

if you use BB

sure

[lunar hollow]

meh

bad players on ogryn oftentimes suck at positioning to keep enemies from hitting them

it requires a modicum of braincells to swing your camera to keep everything staggered and also not surround yourself

[harsh urchin]

one interesting thing that has happened recently

[ember hornet]

just hand a new player BB with slaughterer and confident strike and tell them to press lmb

[harsh urchin]

i've noticed

is that randos are now better on average than my friends

i have a higher success rate solo than playing with my friends now

[ember hornet]

what kind of friends do you have?????

[calm sapphire]

solution: stand behind cover

[cosmic sigil]

I thought we were friends....

[harsh urchin]

he runs unyielding/poxwalkers and terrifying barrage on his brauto

[spice veldt]

lock your friends in a basement and keep them in until they can win hishock5 solo

[lunar hollow]

holy fuck

its so bad

[harsh urchin]

i got him to cahnge it to flak LOL

[candid lava]

But what if you hand it to an experienced zealot?
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/ogryn-is-kinda-broken/81022

[ember hornet]

what in the actual fuck

[lunar hollow]

gorgonum needs a nerf

wtf

[harsh urchin]

i have this other friend

[spice veldt]

brauto is a substitute for the flamer of course

[harsh urchin]

and she refuses to buy items from brunt

she only wants to use items that she drops

from mission completions

[ember hornet]

brunt is the only way to get items

[spice veldt]

interestingly philosophy

[ember hornet]

unless you are extremely lucky

[harsh urchin]

EMPEROR'S BLESSING

guaranteed orange item XDD

[lunar hollow]

emperor's gifts are 99% of the time dogshit

[ember hornet]

445 recon lasgun

[calm sapphire]

emprah blessing drops a 380 perfect god roll weapon

[ember hornet]

my buddy got a natty 380 stubber, total 520 from empy in December

I have never gotten anything close to that

[lunar hollow]

buddy just discovered that meta weapons are good lol

if you run a meta loadout on any class you can top a scoreboard by playing aggressively

[spice veldt]

flexing on pubs with my illisi

[elfin nexus]

yea instead of nerfing every viable weapon how about they buff the other half of the weapon roster that just suck to use

[spice veldt]

do both nerfs and buffs

[feral verge]

Anytime I play psyker is flexing mode

[harsh urchin]

they dont need to nerf weapons lol