psyker-class

[graceful eagle]

what the point of hp on psyker anyway

[spice veldt]

there are attacks that completely strip your toughness, and you might take consecutive hits, and there's a mechanic that reduces the ranged damage you take for a period after your toughness being broken

[graceful eagle]

not very convincing

[tropic vigil]

id imagine it would pair well with warp absorbition and illisi

ill give it a go

[spice veldt]

i love my toughness https://streamable.com/kwcqps

[polar grail]

Damn is that force swrod just like a powersword or smth?

[coarse dagger]

what do ya say fellow psykers

[spice veldt]

yeah it has a similar special to the power sword

similar damage, cleave distribution, and armour modifiers as far as I can tell

[polar grail]

Damn thats neat

[spice veldt]

but it activates faster and has faster heavies than the power sword

and having the infinite dodges that all force swords have

[lunar hollow]

illisi has better vs carapace

[tropic vigil]

my dumbass had to watch it like four times to find where the shields/hp was at

[lunar hollow]

iirc

[spice veldt]

yeah, power sword's special is ~68% against carapace and illisi's is 75%

[spice veldt]

haha

[tropic vigil]

so should i slap carapace on this then? i was going to put unarmored but that seems lil excessive

[lunar hollow]

and in terms of pure TTK illisi gets stuff like warp charges

warp unleashed

and unstable power

[spice veldt]

with unstable power, you won't need +unarmoured as long as you're also running warp unleashed

you'll one-shot groaners with the minimum cleave damage if you have enough warp charges and peril

I'd personally reroll unyielding into +maniac for dreg ragers and mutants

[ornate hamlet]

just passing by to flex

[tropic vigil]

on this build im currently running wrack and ruin since its a brain burst spam build. i do run unstable on my purg build though.

[spice veldt]

smh 539 not even 550

[kind jay]

crit hit dmg

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-punching-beat-i-will-beat-you-to-death-gif-25117238

Also pulled another funky from Melk

[coarse dagger]

whats the highest rating a weapon can get anyway?

[ornate hamlet]

550

120 from tier 4 blessings, 50 from tier 4 perks and 380 from base

[harsh urchin]

rating doesn't matter

it's like grades in high school

if they're shit it's bad, but you have to read the lines to see if an item is good

[small whale]

IT DOES MATTER

[near gale]

for warp flurry do I have to let the entire animation play out after each purge cast, where I do nothing before charging?

or can I release m2 and click it again to charge faster?

[steel flame]

As long as you are casting consecutive m2 with staff warp flurry doesn't give a crap about how you do it

[near gale]

So I can release m2 to use the staff faster?

[steel flame]

Doesn't care about how long the m2 is, it still adds stacks

[near gale]

I mean to cancel the delay between casts

where you're just standing with your hand out

doing nothing

[steel flame]

It does actually need to start the cast to stack

[near gale]

So, uh, I upgraded a trauma staff I had...

<.<

[steel flame]

Oofers

I'd wait for one with max blast radius

[near gale]

Imagine if that blessing worked with the m2, tho

That would be like finger rolling was like in vt2, with the conflag staff

[steel flame]

That cool

Alas

[near gale]

Is warp absorption at all worth taking over quietitude, for the purgatus staff build?

As much as I like ascendent blaze... I feel like I avoid using my career skill a lot because of it burning up to all 6 of my warp charges

the up to 14% chance of a warp charge, or w/e it is, on burning kill feels good tho

[tropic vigil]

i swapped to warp absorption a while ago, havent gone back.

id recommend it over quietitude at least.

[harsh urchin]

you can try, but I haven't found it all that useful on purg

it doesn't really work with deimos

[near gale]

Can you get multiple procs on the illisi's special attack?

[harsh urchin]

and a lot of the time WA is triggering when you're killing everything with flames

rather than when you're trying to make a play, in which case the toughness from quiet is much more useful

yes, i would use it with illisi

[spice veldt]

ye if you kill multiple enemies

[harsh urchin]

but illisi+purg is a little bit non-traditional

[lunar hollow]

quietude lets u bank toughness in the form of peril whenever u need it

[near gale]

I do the deimos with staves

[harsh urchin]

exactly, quietude basically let's you bank 30-50% toughness for when you need it

[near gale]

I like quietude a lot more with the surge staff or the illisi, since both of those are good at building up peril quickly

[lunar hollow]

warp absorption procs when ur already killin stuff

[harsh urchin]

exactly

and when you're forced into a situation where you're not using staff

trying to recover a situation

[near gale]

I take quietitude with the purge staff, but, I was just wondering about warp absorption

[harsh urchin]

the WA is much less useful than the banked toughness i've found

[near gale]

I mean quietitude lets you build toughness from safety if needed

[digital loom]

makes me laugh when people think there is safety in this game

too much time spent playing halo on console and hopping behind solid objects i guess

"i'll just spend 30 minutes in the same spot slowly killing things one at a time"

[swift vault]

"let's defend here and let them come to us" the veteran man says.
"Lol," quoth the psyker. "Lmao."

[calm sapphire]

Bomber:

[willow hazel]

I used to be in the Quietude camp, but WA with the Illisi very strong. You can tank a lot of damage as long as there is something to hit.

[calm sapphire]

it depends

It'd be one thing If pubs are honkering in a corner while there is an obj that needs to be completed asap like scanning / shooting plagues.

Positioning into a good spot when things are about to go south is a smart thing to do. Just don't spend 10 minutes staring at the wall and let the carry handle everything.

[digital loom]

in my experience

when i have to do everything, the run will end the first time i have to do more than two things at onceee

if lucky, maybe not

its not a point of ego

its just that if i am dealing with a monstrosity and several specials at the same time,

I won't be available to deal with the sniper or ranged

[minor verge]

uh guys 20% dmg on infested or 8% dmg on specialist? deimos sword

[harsh urchin]

just gotta git gud

[minor verge]

probably infested?

[digital loom]

infested might be able to one shot dogs l1 depending on build

[harsh urchin]

deimos already one shots dogs

[minor verge]

aight then im rerolling specialist dmg to maniac

[digital loom]

with the heavy yeah, but light is faster

[minor verge]

thx

[calm sapphire]

It's all about what to prioritize first though planning goes out the window when in battle

IMO doing 2 things at once isn't too hard as long as u aren't tunnel visioned like most pubs are. The most common scenario for this would be a pub focusing on a sniper / dog but forgets to check his right side in which a horde is coming from where his teammates let a few slip through.

awareness is key whether by using sight or audio cues

Also, if things get out of control, you can always retreat to a safer spot if needed. Sometimes staying in the dead zone just isn't worth it. Very useful tip, especially when all of your teammates are downed.

[white sky]

How do yall feel about the voidstrike?

It's the first staff I've used and enjoyed a lot

[sacred cypress]

Feels like I'm bowling

[spice veldt]

I'm not much a fan of it

[tropic vigil]

it is fun. i find it slightly more engaging than purg.

[spice veldt]

it's actually balanced and has finite cleave, which is meh; I already dislike all staffs for the fact that their secondaries all require you to charge, and I don't get enough mileage out of voidstrike to counteract that dislike

[vestal rose]

its goofy fun but falls behind on higher difficulties
you'll have a harder time succeeding with it is all

which isnt necessarily a problem!

[harsh urchin]

imagine using balanced weapons

instead of overtuned ones

[spice veldt]

impossible

[white sky]

So, it's gonna require more input

Idk, I enjoy it so far, Lighting Staff is cool looking but not interactive imo

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/4929yi

its interactive alright

interacting with the enemies to kill teammates

(this clip is from a long time ago do not ask wtf me or that vet is doing i have no idea)

[spice veldt]

pub surge psykers are menacing

i've almost gotten blown up by two separate surge psykers

[lunar hollow]

a gratifying eruption.

surge psykers in pubs are like

evil

up there with shield ogryns in terms of playing as if theyre deliberately conspiring with the enemy to fuck me over

[tropic vigil]

last one i played with was actually pretty solid

[lunar hollow]

last one i played with had 1000 levels

so uh

yea

[tropic vigil]

but ive accidentally killed my fair share of ogryns

[white sky]

I'm kinda interested in the flamethrower for a BB feats build but I don't have it yet, get it next level

[spice veldt]

i've had a 1k level surge psyker just spam the surge the entire level and basically not swap to melee

[lunar hollow]

crusher 2-BBs my beloved

[spice veldt]

12k melee damage by the end of the match

[lunar hollow]

luv me cerebral lacerations + battery/warp unleashed

ran it like once ever though

[white sky]

Yeah, I wanna try that out, it seems fun

[tropic vigil]

its super fun.

[white sky]

Psyker seems to change a lot with feats which is cool

I basically only use 1 set for Og and Vet

[tropic vigil]

really useful too. i look forward to when they add more staffs to use it with

[lunar hollow]

i tried to like autopistol on psyker but i realized i was basically using illisi 99% of the time

so i figured

why not find something that works better with illisi

and ive never swapped off trauma since

[white sky]

Don't have the illisi either but I like the deimos, reminds me of saltz rapier a lot

[lunar hollow]

the illisi is just insane

[white sky]

I've seen it, PS on crack cocaine

[lunar hollow]

the heavy 1 is the most satisfying thing in the game for clotheslining a moving hound

https://streamable.com/8armtw

this is psyker when u use 100% of the brain

[white sky]

I just am not a fan of trauma staff

[spice veldt]

smh trauma-ing the dog further away from you

[lunar hollow]

the intent was

that i would keep both of them controlled

cuz there's a person right there

and then i realized

hounds don't give a fuck

[spice veldt]

that's time that your teammates could use to kill the dog

[lunar hollow]

and had to improvize

yea that was the intent

[spice veldt]

smh smh

[lunar hollow]

and then i had to remember i cant trust nobody

i just like this clip cuz i pressed literally every button on the keyboard

[white sky]

I assume you use Wrack and Ruin on a BB build?

[lunar hollow]

also if i killed the hounds i wouldnt get the cool thing of me hitting it away at the last second

[spice veldt]

true

[flint pawn]

Quick question: This is my current best Surge Staff. Which of these perks should I refine, and what should I refine it to?

[lunar hollow]

this is what i run when i very rarely do it

[spice veldt]

i had a game where I turned my back to a dog and did a cool dodge without looking at it

[lunar hollow]

kinetic deflection and quietude can be swapped for whatever

i think warp unleashed help hits breakpoints on 1 shots

[white sky]

I'll give that a shot, ty

[lunar hollow]

np

[white sky]

Imo quietude is just free toughness

[lunar hollow]

some people run the other 2 for some reason

idk why cuz its basically a free half+ toughness bar

but i am close-minded

[tropic vigil]

cuz kill more = more toughness

[spice veldt]

quietude is a safe option, but I see the appeal of warp absorption

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/t6lzop

[white sky]

Warp absorption might not be bad tbh

[lunar hollow]

never looked at it ONCE

get on my level

[white sky]

I like aggressive builds so I'll give that a shot

[spice veldt]

the cool hound dodge was from a game way back then

lemme upload

[lunar hollow]

this is one of the dodges im most proud of

cuz i had to fight my shitty internet to get it

[flint pawn]

If someone could aid me I'd appreciate it, I love this staff but have no clue how to build them.

[lunar hollow]

thats pretty good as far as they go

[flint pawn]

I'm just wondering since both perks aren't tier 4, which should I change? And to what?

[lunar hollow]

uhhhhh

well surge isnt really a damage staff

if i had to choose anything i'd just reroll crit to 5% since ur helping it proc more often and i think the crit modifier on surge is ok

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/nz4zlb

[flint pawn]

Sounds fair. Thanks

[spice veldt]

back in the days of slow ass quelling

(2 seconds to quell 50% lmao)

[lethal folio]

Unarmoured so you can kill dregs with headshot bolts

or crits.

[formal ridge]

just put surge skin on my voidstrike because yeah its a surge staff

[silver root]

What type of force sword is best? havent really played since they added the new ones

[digital loom]

no such thing as safe spot, and assuming you have the free time to.. you know what, no. forget it

[spice veldt]

Deimos and Illisi are considered strictly superior to the Obscurus (the first Force Sword)

Deimos if you're looking for single-target; Illisi for hordeclear

[silver root]

ty

[cosmic sigil]

Arco, i ran voidstike illisi yesterday with 3 1 1 1 1 1 1... I didn't know which feat I should chose 😬

So what should I have done?

[spice veldt]

smh quicken smh smh

lazorr is corrupting you

that looks like a fine set of feats to run tbh

I personally prefer aura + flayer + barrage

I don't really run other feat setups so I can't make a comparison or say what's better than this or that

but I do find that my ult cooldown needs are usually fulfilled by Aura, enough that I'd take it with flayer over Communion + Battery + Quicken; and Barrage is nice to have for guilt-free ult usage and for speedier BBs

maybe wrack & ruin so you have an infinite™ cleave option with voidstrike

[olive ember]

whats this about a fucking quicken user

This is why we disregard takes from psyker chat 2 when regarding psyker smh

[lunar hollow]

why run quicken when u can spam BBs on bosses with kb

[olive ember]

[lunar hollow]

laziest boss damage ever

its great

why run hammer when u can pop brain

[steel flame]

Y you hatin on quicken. Quicken is baller

[olive ember]

its

something

[steel flame]

On a build where you arent going to be using bb as much quicken rules, especially on a trauma spam build

I don't use warp battery either, 12 seconds is more than short enough.

Makes trauma build super tanky since you can do loads of burst toughness regen

[cosmic sigil]

@ember hornet after Josho it's me apparently

[ember hornet]

don't worry

arco isn't real

his brain is far too small to either write an essay or understand the undeniable power of quicken

[cosmic sigil]

Like his essay.

[spice veldt]

you're both not real

[cosmic sigil]

Maybe I do not spam bb that much. But i like being able to have warp charges on the ready and gain twice as much

I'll give kb a try

[feral verge]

I only use quicken on my melee build

Because I'm lazy

I don't have any other feats that allow fast warp charge gain

I don't actually use it for the faster cooldown lmao

[steel flame]

I use it for toughness Regen so I can go unga bunga mode with peril and just charge headlong into everything discount zealot style

I have it on one build with an illi sword and revolver and go full melee with revolver for special kills

[ember hornet]

I would actually rather walk up to a special

than use the revolver

[near gale]

Gotta love it when the credits shop trolls you with useless t3 blessings. >.>

[ember hornet]

remove terrifying barrage from the game when

[white sky]

I've decided I'm a fan of illisi and voidstrike

Feel like they go good together

[elfin nexus]

wait till you discover illisi and trauma

[wheat quartz]

how is trauma now, I remember back when it was in "never use this" category

[neat summit]

It’s good

[spice veldt]

peril on cast has been dropped, so it's roughly 24% peril per fully-charged cast at 80% warp res (compared to the 47% before)

and the buffed quelling speeds make its higher peril generation not that detrimental (especially when using Quietude)

it still has its infinite cleave and pretty good stagger

[wheat quartz]

nice, that sounds like a considerable increase in usability

[crimson dust]

worth it?

[steel flame]

Yes

[wheat quartz]

lol this t4 slaughterer/t4 unstable illisi is hilarious

[lunar hollow]

this mod is incredible

[white sky]

I just don't enjoy how trauma targets

[elfin nexus]

its perfect for packs of shooters

which is where i take the most damage personally

it just takes getting used to at first

[floral relic]

Question,
So my cousin who got me into this game is like a hyper Vet main, and wants to run Powersword + Boltgun

I feel like I am struggling a lot with laser dudes, those that shoots you

If I'm running Illisi, what should my ranged weapon be?

I currently have a pretty good Voidstrike, but using it to counter snipe lazer dudes feels a bit painful

I wonder if I should pick up like a Kantrael 12 or something... on psyker...?

[elfin nexus]

any staff works well but i guess surge and trauma are the best for killing stalkers

[floral relic]

Yeah, stalker and shooters

[elfin nexus]

autopistol psyker is good atm otherwise you can try mg12 or laspistol

[floral relic]

For me currently, often times I can see a gang of stalkers who haven't even spread out yet

But they are just out of Illisi reach so I couldn't push them

So I just had to hold up my Deflector sword and watch them spread out to encircle me

Felt painful

[elfin nexus]

abuse the sliding if you arent already

[floral relic]

So yeah, I'm thinking about trying Autopistol or Kantreael 12

[elfin nexus]

helps close distance with ranged enemies

[floral relic]

I see

[elfin nexus]

and youre immune to ranged damage for the duration of it

[floral relic]

Sliding makes me take a lot less damage?

Oh cool

Never knew that

But yeah, I don't think Purge works for my build

[elfin nexus]

yeah if youre using illisi its best to chain slides until youre close enough to charge up a heavy or light attack

[floral relic]

So the options are Surge Truma Autopis and MG12

I think MG12 is a lot less ammo hungry than Autopis?

[elfin nexus]

purgatus can still work because your mouse 1 attack staggers enemies

yeah

[floral relic]

Neat

But yeah, I don't think Purge works for my built right now

I'm gonna try build a MG12 psyker a bit

[elfin nexus]

make sure you get the ghost blessing if youre crafting an mg12

[floral relic]

It's a bit "we have powersword + kantrael 12 vet at home", but it should work a bit

[elfin nexus]

makes you immune to supression on weakspot hit

supression is worse on psyker than vet because your aim goes all over the place

[floral relic]

I see, just click heads and I become invincible?

Neat

[elfin nexus]

for a short time

so you should chain headshots together if you can

[floral relic]

I see

Yeah I feel pretty comfortable clicking heads on hitscan

Played too much FPS

Clicking heads with Voidstrike was suprisingly hard tho

Especially since I'm inside China right now and minimum ping is 100ms

[elfin nexus]

yeah i think with voidstrike you have to aim slightly above where their head actually is

[floral relic]

Yesterday got carried hard by a gang of American, Italian, and British

I was like "hun darktide is suprisingly playable at 300ms ping!"

Yeah, also I turned my FOV too high

And my monitor isn't my 2160p one in Canada, it's a 1080p one

So there is like, literally 3 pixels for each head

But yeah, you know, like in Darktide, I think hitscan records if you hit the enemy locally

So if you aim at a head and fire, the game records that hit the enemy then sends this into to the servers

But with projectile weapons... the game only sends the fact that you fired a shot to the server

So the projectile literally appears 100-200ms later after you fired your weapon

Very, life of a psyker main

just use precognition to aim at where the enemies will be it's easy!

[cosmic sigil]

He should snipe them with the bolter. Easy peasy.

[floral relic]

Honestly that’s kinda what we were doing lmao

It kind of works… I guess? I never used Bolter so I don’t know

How is Bolter’s ADS accuracy? If you use it as a Kantreal 12?

[cosmic sigil]

Hu...

Kantreal has more ammo and struggle against carapace

Bolter has less ammo and does not struggle (more so if you have pinning and shattering impact)

But one shot ads is very precise with the bolter. It's the following shots where you have to manage sway/recoil

But that should be ok for a vet

[fresh reef]

god I fucking hate surge so much

[cosmic sigil]

You one shot sniper with a bolter basically

[cyan moth]

Surge is great support tho

:D

[fresh reef]

Trauma is better in every way except dealing with small groups of shooters

[cyan moth]

Idk man being able to hit around corners and stun mutants, or really every enemy in their tracks is a good support element

Trauma doesn't do that

Cause only surge does it consistently

Is it good at killing? Na

But that's why I got brain burst

Or my melee weapon

And my teammates

I am a TEAM PLAYER

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925965665037344888/1087168971775680552/0a2150c766aed738fb015ce59ef43a68cc5ec2fc.gif

[fresh reef]

it, literally does?

Stunning Muties I've found to be extremely inconsistent, when it actually matters

and everything can be staggerlocked just as easily with trauma while being able to nuke a horde simultaneously

[cyan moth]

You've gotta hit mutants for the full duration

So like a second or two

Surge I mean

I never have an issue stunning enemies

[fresh reef]

I forgot to record the clip, but I've attempted to shock a mutie only for surge to target literally exactly 5 trash mobs in front of it

[cyan moth]

Hm

Weird

[fresh reef]

even then, genuine question

when is stunning mutants ever useful?

they're going to run into a wall anyway

seriously why would I want to waste 2 seconds on stunning it when I can just

[cyan moth]

Shock gauntlet

And it isn't just mutants

It's pox hounds

Crushers

[fresh reef]

nah, mutant stagger is the one advantage it has

trauma doesn't have a target limit like surge does, so it can stagger the mixed bag shock gauntlet brings with it

oneshotting bursters is also especially nice in that scenario

[willow hazel]

The Illisi is the best reason to run Surge. The Illisi is already fantastic against everything that isn't a Crusher horde or mid range, where surge is great.

[fresh reef]

Illisi is beside the point, Deimos does this even better

Why not just swap to melee, is the point I'm trying to make

[old field]

i was wondering if someone have an idea to make surge more consistant ?

[old field]

ok i found a way to boost surge with riposte on a dueling sword

but if there is more effectif way i am here to hear it ^^

[shy prairie]

[burnt maple]

voidstrike staff is pretty dang fun

Surge is kinda wack, i tried making a build with it, to machine the LMB, if you find something post it here

[signal jay]

New voiceline for psyker: “So many socks to sniff!”

[old field]

with voidstaff xD

[old field]

with rippost you can kinda boost crit chance if you dodge and quick swap to your staff to do an ADS attack

[spice veldt]

Ranged attacks quite literally can not hit you during a slide, as the game does have some sort of i-frame system.
Dodging and sprinting perpendicularly to ranged attacks also puts you in this dodge state against ranged attacks.
Here's a demonstration of sprinting making you unable to be hit by ranged attacks https://streamable.com/pxqay1

[ornate hamlet]

riposte bad, don't use riposte ever

[near wyvern]

Surge is just bad by design. To get it more consistent you gotta stack it with Warp Nexus and stay at high perils. You can get it to statistically happen every 3 or 4 shots.

This means you can utilise quell cancelling to accelerate your shots a bit. However, if you quell cancel too fast, you will also cancel the bonus cast on a crit.

Against trash mobs it usually provides no value since you will usually just hit a wall. Against Elites and Specials it still doesn't pump up the void DPS to any meaningful level. You would be much better off using Blazing Spirit as that will actually provide much more extra damage off from a crit due to the target that stopped the ball getting 6 stacks and mobs around it and before it getting 3 stacks instead of mostly shooting an extra ball to the wall. This helps to soften the enemies around where you just hit and spreads your damage more to the sides.

On top of that you cannot accidentally cancel the Blazing Spirit effect by quell cancelling, so you can go for as fast cancels as you can without any penalties.

[burnt maple]

that sounds annoying af

lol

[near wyvern]

It wouldn't be bad if it activated always on dodge but since it requires the enemies to actually finish their attack animation that was aimed at you you rarely get it. Usually you want to attack and interrupt them to kill them and when you do that, no procs.

@old field you sure it works that way? If I recall they changed all buffs to be tied to the weapon being active. You may have the buff counter going while wielding a ranged weapon but the stat boost should not be active if you have a ranged weapon out.

[spice veldt]

the blessing icon is active when swapping to your staff, but I'm doing some basic testing rn and I don't notice an improved crit rate when attacking with the riposte buff up

[burnt maple]

oh yeah, that's true. if you swap weapons everything goes away

otherwise, Slaughter would be funny for one shot lol

[near wyvern]

There are some other blessings that have the icon active showing the counter how much they have left but the actual effect is not active unless melee weapon is out

[spice veldt]

presumably, the game does have a system for melee vs ranged crits, so it can just bother showing you the blessing icon unlike power blessings

and being able to melee with your ranged weapons (no matter how wholly ineffective they tend to be)

hmm, does bloodthirsty still make your staff melee a guaranteed crit

[near wyvern]

That would be easy to test but unfortunately I cannot get to my computer for 10 hours

[spice veldt]

yes it does

god bless

the staff melee meta is alive

[near wyvern]

Lmao

How much did you bonk with a crit. 30?

I imagine Slaughterer works with bonk too?

[spice veldt]

HMMMM

nope

[near wyvern]

Sadge

[spice veldt]

yeah seems that power blessings do get fully deactivated when swapping off their weapon

yeah 30-ish

[near wyvern]

Called it

[spice veldt]

well actually that was with some peril

15 non-crit dmg

17 crit damage

that's against unarmoured

[near wyvern]

Huge

[spice veldt]

DEVASTATING

but of course, the most important thing is that it gives rending against carapace armour

[floral relic]

Man Psykers are so sus

But I see now

[near wyvern]

Akira if you haven't checked you might want to check The Psyker Atheneum in the pinned messages here. Lotta information Fatshark doesn't tell you.

[spice veldt]

sussy wussy

here's a demonstration with dodges and dodge-slides https://streamable.com/o4uty5

slides give you very good protection against ranged attacks, but they also make you vulnerable to melee enemies

in addition, starting slides from sprints is risky because ranged attacks (and melee) will always interrupt your sprints (unless you're a Zealot running a certain feat)

so you might end up in a scenario where you try to sprint-slide but get shot out of it, and then you just eat 1 million shots as you get staggered

dodging doesn't have this particular vulnerability (besides Gunners and Reapers pushing you so much that they kill your speed and prevent you from initiating a slide because you no longer have the speed for them)

here's an example of me putting this all to practice https://streamable.com/kwcqps

I dodge-slide a bunch in the beginning, but then I get scared about being hit with a melee attack with all of my toughness gone, so I begin spamming dodges instead even if it means I end up taking more ranged damage, since melee damage is more damaging

[floral relic]

I see, thanks!

[floral relic]

Hun, so dodge slide is actually surprisingly good

I do often feel like dodge slide feel inconsistent sometime

Like, sometime it ends super fast

Even when counting dodges

[old field]

interresting suggestion with blazing spirit i take note ... and i just try to see if it could be a good fun offmeta build

[spice veldt]

depends on the weapon as well

since dodge-slides count twice towards your dodge count

and some weapons (like staffs and Brain Burst) prevent you from dodge-sliding past a certain dodge count

on staffs and BB, you can only dodge-slide two times from 0 dodges

[old field]

a bit but it s more interresting that just spamming the gameplay is different

[digital loom]

my surge void is pretty good

but trauma blaze iss better

blaze void is interesting if you do the cancel spam, but still not as good as trauma blaze

imo

[floral relic]

Yeah, I’m using Illisi, I think it’s that, if I hold dodge and dodge slide, the slide ends early?

If I tap dodge then slide, the slide is longer

[old field]

it looks to work seem the icon stay when you swap the weapon

[spice veldt]

oh it's probably tapping crouch that's making you not enter a slide at all

sprint-slides allow you to enter a slide from a sprint by just tapping crouch for an instant

but for dodge-slides, you need to hold crouch from a dodge for a few milliseconds

so that weird technical difference is probably messing with you

[floral relic]

Man I always wonder if all Psykers are just naturally sussy

[spice veldt]

Psykers have such good legs

they don't get tired from dodging

[floral relic]

Like, when life gives you 100 toughness and 150 hp, you kinda just adjust

[old field]

btw pretty awsome on psyker

[spice veldt]

superior legs to every other class (when holding a force sword)

[floral relic]

Yeah like you know those Chinese Wuxia black magic fuckery

Where you stand on the sword and ride it

[old field]

reassuringly accurate give a way for gun psyker build to have bit more of toughness

[spice veldt]

ye, and bullets just phasing through you

[floral relic]

Yeah same type of technology

[old field]

and with 20% crit rate chance this pretty good

[old field]

lul

[floral relic]

But yeah, I think I should practice horizontally dodge sliding forward into enemies

I don’t know why, I feel like the dodge slide going backwards is further than horizontal

Not sure if it’s just because a super wide FOV causing weirdness

[spice veldt]

I think it's prob just the FOV messing with your perception for the most part; I think people have remarked on either the sideways or backwards dodges being longer than the other?

though a movement mod I'm using seems to say that the difference between the dodge distance between sideways and backwards dodges is apparently the same

no wait, backwards dodges are a little shorter it seems

by like 0.05 meters

so not a noticeable difference

[orchid venture]

Whenever there's a couple shooters just out of range, I usually do like, a dodge shimmy to get closer

dodging left and right alternately, but aiming my camera so I'm moving towards them diagonally

[vague grove]

is this worth buying base stats a bit lower but blessing and perks seem better and can be improved more

[burnt maple]

if you don't have Slaugtherer 3 or 4 already, maybe. Infested is worthless, it's pretty much the just the pox hounds that you'll get value out of

[vague grove]

i dont have any slaughterer

[spice veldt]

i'd say you've got a decent chance to get t3 slaughterer through consecration; but if you just play the game on/off enough to stack a bunch of milk coins relative to your playtime, then feel free to go for it

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-run-moving-fast-and-furious-العماري-gif-22126116

[raven gate]

windows + shift + s
to take a cropped screenshot

[ornate hamlet]

A

[late yew]

sigh

[near wyvern]

It works but you gotta have Warp Nexus 4, +5% crit perk and then really high blast radius and you gotta quell cancel or it's not gonna work

It's a lot more work to get it functioning properly than flurry peril but the pay off is increased versatility

Flurry peril is much easier to play effectively

[floral relic]

I see, movement mod as in, a tool to measure movement?

[spice veldt]

ye, you can see it in the top right of this video #psyker-class message

it reports on how far my dodge went and all that stuff

[feral verge]

knife zealot high intens

let's see how this ends

[raven gate]

well if u cant carry a zealot thru hi intensity then ur not a real psyker

[feral verge]

lol a shieldgryn joined during loading screen

i left lmao

[spice veldt]

smh

all those kills would've been yours

[floral relic]

I see neat,
Also just wondering, can you try to do a dodge slide by holding dodge then holding slide?

I feel like when I hold dodge to dodge slide, the game tries to dodge again while I am already sliding

Which cause all my momentum to suddenly stop

[spice veldt]

I usually just tap dodge (press down and immediately let go of it), then crouch

[floral relic]

Yeah I’m not sure what I did wrong, but I often do those very short slides, even when my dodge counter mod shows I still have good dodges

[spice veldt]

maybe you're pressing crouch too late into your dodge?

you can begin the slide from a dodge pretty much as soon as the dodge starts

[near wyvern]

Why? Not all shieldgryns are bad. I have seen some good ones. One came to be a temporar wall between me and shooty boys when I was low on HP and about to be executed. That was the only time during the match he deployed the wall.

[spice veldt]

hmm well it should be fine in that case as well I would think

[floral relic]

Hun, could be, the timing of the slide matters a lot?

[spice veldt]

possibly

[floral relic]

I do think my timing is pretty close, my dodge is on mouse thumb button and crouch on alt

I wonder if pressing them too close can be an issue

Like I know the dodge happened, but if the dodge happened at the same time I try to crouch… would that be an issue?

[near wyvern]

You can extend the slide a bit of you hold down crouch and don't let go of it during the slide

[floral relic]

I see

Anyway, it’s impossible to dodge slide forward or diagonally forward I assume?

[near wyvern]

There is a minimium and maximum slide distance and if you let go of crouch you will always get minimum. The moment you let go crouch between minimum and maximum the slide ends immediately and if you keep holding down you will slide up to the maximum (end of momentum)

[near wyvern]

Dodge slide no, sprint slide yes

[floral relic]

I see

[near wyvern]

Or I mean it's not possible to dodge slide forward or diagonally forward

[floral relic]

I see, sprint sliding into gun fire do feel risky at times

[near wyvern]

But you can sprint slide

[floral relic]

Punny Psyker being staggered by lazer noises

[near wyvern]

Yes it's risky. You usually only wanna do it against a single shooter, the moment you see muzzle flash you gotta initiate the slide put you have to be already sprinting

[floral relic]

I see

Yeah, I’m more trying to learn to be more sussy

[floral relic]

You know, like methods of “approach lazer bois at static speed”

How do you say that meme again?

[near wyvern]

Also if you get hit during sprint you take more toughness damage than usual

[floral relic]

Yeah casually approach lazer bois

Wait what? More toughness damage when you get hit?

But yeah I feel like to be a sussy psyker I need to learn how to casually approach stuff

The smooth sliding and moving center of mass up and down

[floral relic]

Also btw, if I want to do this kind of shit, what Feat 1 should I bring?
The toughness regen feat, currently I’m running 3, the gain toughness of half peril quell one

[near wyvern]

Yes Psykers take +25% toughness damage when sprinting and -50% toughness damage during a dodge and a slide.

So even if you mess up a dodge or a slide you still take half than what you have normally would to your toughness

[spice veldt]

I personally take quietude cuz it's a pretty safe and generalist regen feat

and I run Trauma and Illisi, both of which generate a lot of peril relative to other options

[near wyvern]

Quietitude with staves, Essence Harvest without a staff, with the exception that Essence Harvest can also work if you use Purgatus staff with Ascendant Blaze.

Warp Absoption is bad because it gives you toughness when you don't need it and none when you need it the most.

Psykers are really good for dealing with horde and melee units due to Illisi and the amount of horde control we have on Void, Purge and Trauma, so only ranged units pose a threat to your toughness bar.

There are no good warp attacks to quickly kill a bunch of ranged units outside of 6 stack AB. So if you get pinched by a group of ranged units you can't make a come back without getting chipped or getting help from the team.

[floral relic]

I see, sprinting is dangerous then,
It’s a psyker’s natural habit to move in sussy ways

[near wyvern]

Embrace the Crab walk

[floral relic]

Yeah, always felt Quietitude is the default option,
I was wondering if I’m running both Illisi and Staff, Warp Absorb would be worth it

[near wyvern]

You can try it or just believe me that it's not

Same outcome

[floral relic]

I see, thanks for the tip!
I’m not sure if I’m ready to run EH on Gun Psyker tho, but QT do looks much better than WA if you put it like that

[near wyvern]

Essence Harvest is really good if you do the one build for a gun psyker (not for shredder tho)

I mean you can and should still use EH for shredder but not the one build

[floral relic]

What’s that one build of Gun?

[near wyvern]

111111

[floral relic]

Wait wtf?

[near wyvern]

The one build

[floral relic]

Lmao

[late yew]

Does unstable power hits some bps along with slat 4 on illi?

wondering it is worth at all

[floral relic]

Honestly I’m already running something similar, 3-1-1-2-1-1

I call it my professional leeching build

All I do is find a group to carry me and I stand in the middle, throw some random Voidstrike balls, push some stuff with Illisi

[near wyvern]

I believe you can get it to one shot mutants but it's a bit rare to happen in the wild. Mostly you just pick it up because when you get used to infinite dodging, deflector is not that essential and then you can use unstable power to get you going for the first few strikes when switching to melee and then Slaughterer takes over as your Battle Meditation and Auto quell kicks in

[floral relic]

And my teammates are like “wow you are much better than a bot!”

Teammate: “Wow it’s super comfy carrying Akira!”

[spice veldt]

you one-shot bodyshot groaners with the minimum-cleave damage with max t4 slaught, 4 warp charges, and enough peril (40-60% peril depending on the damage% roll of your sword and tier of unstable power)

[floral relic]

I do however wonder if I’m just calling “support” playstyle as “leech” playstyle lmao

But yeah, I guess it’s not really a problematic playstyle as a beginner, I notice I found a lot more success on higher difficulties by playing less proactively

[near wyvern]

Everything works on malice and below

[floral relic]

Because teammates aren’t bots and everyone else wants to take the lead and play proactively, so I just kinda adjust and fill the void

[near wyvern]

Herecy jumps a bit in difficulty but IMO herecy is harder than Damnation because of the player quality in there

[floral relic]

Yup, I joined a gang of an American, an Italian, and a British carrying me yesterday for Damnation

I was like, hardcore leeching

Just stand in the middle and spam Illisi push, clear some trash, BB the carapace stuff, and BB spam the bosses

[near wyvern]

The hardest part of Damnation is to convince the team to stick together. It doesn't really matter if someone is not mechanically good or has very poor game sense. As long as the team sticks together and makes sure they are not trapped if there is a flamer, bomber or burster, it's smooth sailing.

[floral relic]

Yeah, for some reason our Zelot often go off by himself to loot, but surprisingly he just never dies while doing so,
I guess it’s experience

[near wyvern]

Also, the moment someone wonders off the director spawns in a special. This happens less on low intensity and in hi intensity it happens immediately and there are often multiple spawns.

I mean you can solo stuff, it's just if you make a single mistake you are dead and you could have prevented that by tagging along with at least a single team mate.

[feral verge]

if the team sticks together there's a 90% chance of victory

[floral relic]

Neat

[feral verge]

but that remaining 10% is jsut when ya'll get an unlucky wombo combo of specials/unfortunate events

[feral verge]

i've only seen one really

his secret? he barely used shield. just used heavy stubber most of the time

[near wyvern]

8 Bulwakrs closing in with 3 mutants charging through from behind them and then a bomber + flamer litting the place up. Yup it happens, always have a back door. Always.

[feral verge]

and had overall great game sense

[near wyvern]

Yes, it's the same with Deflector, you are only carrying it so you can use it that one or two times if need be. It's the ultimate support choice. Can save a wipe but most of the time you don't use it.

That's why many choose not to carry a deflector because it's only in case someone fucks up

[spice veldt]

I think the slides from dodge-slides might just be short. Here's how my inputs look, and my slides are kinda short. You have to pretty much spam dodge and slide. I have a pretty comfortable setup with dodge on 'Shift' and crouch on 'C'. https://streamable.com/mlr7j9

[feral verge]

i am a slaughterer + unstable power stan until the day of my death

[near wyvern]

Nothing wrong with that. I use it with my Deimos for Void

Makes easy chop chop of mutants

[feral verge]

what's your deimos look like?

ik what you reccomend for deimos

im just curious abotu yours in particular

[near wyvern]

With Nexus Spirit trauma I use Unstable Power Deflector Deimos since I play it in the front line

[floral relic]

Hmm, your dodges looks much smoother lol,
I’m just gonna go back into the meat grinder for some more practice

[feral verge]

my deimos on my main build (purga). i am front line 75% of the time

[near wyvern]

@feral verge

For Void I have it purely tuned in for mutant one shot. 8% vs special damage, 25% maniac, Slaughterer 4 and Unstable Power 4.

For Trauma it's a mutant + tank stick so +20% maniac (wish it was 25) and +1 stamina with Unstable Power 4 and Deflector 4.

[spice veldt]

probably just the consistency

[floral relic]

Yeah probably

[spice veldt]

I do have a couple of months in this game to build up my muscle memory

[feral verge]

i'm debating on trying for a perfect (for me) deimos

[spice veldt]

and I do spend a lot of hours in the meatgrinder messing around

[feral verge]

but i'm afraid that if i spend all my mats trying for it, in the next patch fatshark will let us unlock blessings/perks. making it pointless

[near wyvern]

Don't bother. The final few percentages don't make a difference and you will just waste resources you could have saved for new weapon releases or "reds"

[feral verge]

yeeee

i almost forgot about reds

AND if they let us have a shared resource pool between characters

[floral relic]

I mostly wish the two tiers of crafting mats both have uses

[feral verge]

(though i only really play zealot, other than psyker, and my zealot already has 30k plasteel)

[floral relic]

Instead of the squares being infinitely overflowing

[feral verge]

squares lol

[late yew]

Deflector feels so amazing though

And you can be more agressive with it

just face tank huge groups of shooters

[floral relic]

Yeah I don’t even know what’s it called, it’s always just plasteel and more plasteel

[late yew]

and slaughter them in melee

dodging is not reliable against big groups

[feral verge]

i'm extremely aggressive without deflector

[floral relic]

Removing those cubes form the game won’t change a single thing

[spice veldt]

big groups are pretty safe to dive because they block each other's bullets

[feral verge]

in most damnation games on average i take about 200 damage

[near wyvern]

Which is an indication of bad design

[feral verge]

without deflector

[spice veldt]

and you can regenerate toughness by killing them

[feral verge]

and playing very aggressive

[spice veldt]

it's the spread-out groups that are dangerous, even if it's just 5-10 shooters

[late yew]

acutally it would reduce average time by like 5-10 min

which is a good thing

[floral relic]

Yeah, I wish if you can use those cubes and coins to craft more Platsteel or something

[feral verge]

dead game

its 8am est saturday morning

[spice veldt]

5 am on west coast 😔

[feral verge]

LMFAO THIS DOOD REALLY DO BE LIVING IN THE PAST

[spice veldt]

imagine being old

[near wyvern]

Reminds me of the time when I did my untouchable by accident in damnation lo. Was playing Illisi + MG IV on front line.

[feral verge]

i've been hoping to accidentally get that

i want to get it accidentally

i dont want to actually try for it

[near gale]

I do illisi autopistol, for gunpsyker. I just take quietitude, since I can spam the illisi special and quell

[cosmic sigil]

i use essence harvest with the shredder

[cosmic sigil]

what is the toughness stealer setup illisi btw?

low warp resist unstable and exorcist?

[lucid plinth]

I'm now convinced Voikstrike is the best staff

can't explain why

[feral verge]

yeah, sometihng like these

[spice veldt]

steal toughness by taking the souls of your enemies (by sliding a blade into their body)

[feral verge]

i'd only bother with exorcist if you have exorcist iv

because then its 1-for-1 toughness regen

know that the special doesnt proc exorcist

you will have to light spam

to get lots of toughness

[cosmic sigil]

i do spam lights yeah

[feral verge]

heavies are better for hordes

cuz cleave

[cosmic sigil]

i need to find slaughterer 4

[feral verge]

that's a pretty good sword

[cosmic sigil]

i do use heavies, buuuut, sometimes

you know

[feral verge]

i'd dump sprint eff. for maniac dmg

[cosmic sigil]

not flak?

[feral verge]

maniac is priority number 1

flak is priority 2

[cosmic sigil]

same as my axes then

[spice veldt]

if you're not running a gun, then melee is going to be your main method of killing muties

and i hate mutants

i wish upon their quick death

[cosmic sigil]

i run a gun 90% of the time

[feral verge]

here's my melee illisi build

surge staff

i use melee 90% of the time, ofc

surge only for specials sometimes, and elite groups

sometimes shooter groups

i use quicken not for quick ult cooldown, but because im lazy

so i can easily maintain 6 warp stacks

(becasue this build doesnt have any passive ways to gain warp charges)

[cosmic sigil]

that's my mutant/specialist killer

i have a similar setup with a bolter for shock on my vet 😄

i want them to die FAAASST

[feral verge]

that sword is really sexual

it'd be even more sexual if you put unstable power on it

[cosmic sigil]

i put it

on this one as well

and i came back to deflector

the reason is that i pug i do not trust the teamates to take care of the shooters as fast as possible

i do slide dodge and take cover and all of this

[feral verge]

i dont trust them either

you really can dodge atleast 80% of shots

if oyu literally dodge like a crack addict

and dodge diagonally to shooters

[cosmic sigil]

maybe i could without

[feral verge]

if you sprint sideways to shooters, they will miss every shot

crab has a video showcasing it

[cosmic sigil]

yeah i saw it

[feral verge]

deflector isn't bad at all, but it isn't necessarry

giving up deflector made me better at the game

i'm seeing psykers with deflector taking more damage than i do

i take 200 dmg on avg per game, in damnation

no deflector

[cosmic sigil]

you run tg or hp?

[feral verge]

2x hp, 1x stamina

[cosmic sigil]

same as me

[feral verge]

my hp is 210

[cosmic sigil]

and kinetic defletion

?

[feral verge]

i am about to try 2x toughness 1x stam

yes

[feral verge]

for the first time

[cosmic sigil]

hmmm

[feral verge]

ive never tried toughness stacking on psyker

[cosmic sigil]

only loadout with toughness i have is the thammer zealot

[feral verge]

but it in theory should be really good on a high peril kinetic deflection build

because Kinetic shield pretty much boosts your toughness by 33%

[cosmic sigil]

how so?

[feral verge]

so if you have 150 toughness + kinetic shield

you have almost 200 toughness

[cosmic sigil]

is't that kinetic shield?

[feral verge]

oh thats what i meant

i run kinetic shield

sorry for the confusion

[cosmic sigil]

i think that's lazorr setup

2tg 1hp kinetic

[spice veldt]

33% toughness DR roughly translating into 1.49x of your current toughness

[feral verge]

im still gonna run stam i think

[cosmic sigil]

i should try that maybe

[feral verge]

N O

[cosmic sigil]

but i like my deflection

[feral verge]

it's my buidl, it's my idea, you cant take it, its mine

[cosmic sigil]

i'll try without stam

[feral verge]

kinetic deflection is really good. however it isn't necessary. in fact, it can be counter productive

if you revive someone in a horde, chances are they are gonna take alot of damage when revived, OR they will just end up getting downed again

so it's always good principle to clear the horde off of them

but at that point...

kinetic deflection isn't required to revive them successfully

unless they patched it, kinetic shield protects you from all damage btw

not just ranged

like it says in the tool tip

[cosmic sigil]

that's what i do, or press if i need

[feral verge]

if so, i reccomend trying kinetic shield instead

especially if you are always at high peril anyway

[cosmic sigil]

i do a lot of blocking and pushing

[feral verge]

thats pretty much 33% damage negation at all times

(if you have toughness ofc)

i started taking alot less damage when i put kinetic shield on

[cosmic sigil]

i run shield with the purgatus

because i'm always at high peril

with the shredder not that much

and sometime spaming the special is not at option

like activating the power sword

but that may be a lack of practice because i could do a powered push and activate

[feral verge]

chaos critter threw me thru a wall/ceiling

[feral verge]

freg wizred

[proper raven]

So where does the white Psyker chest with no sleeves comes from? I've seen it a couple of times but I can't locate it.

[near wyvern]

Paid cosmetic, first set. Open premium store, click psyker, click the arrow on the right side of the screen until you arrive at the space man set

[proper raven]

Is not there.

Oh but the store rotates doesn't it?

[near wyvern]

Ahh yes they started rotating it

[proper raven]

Well, another one for the bucket of stupid ideas.

[grizzled jasper]

they do the rotation for your benefits

do you have any idea how confusing it gets when you have to scroll down

[near wyvern]

Mean while in my inventory...

[grizzled jasper]

i have to vid my inventory

its just and endless void of garbage guns

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-matrix-guns-choose-gif-9315508

[feral verge]

our inventories should have a rotation

where items are chosen at random to disappear for a week

[cosmic sigil]

so i tried the illisi with exorcist + quietude

that wasn't bad but i need to readjust lmao

[feral verge]

i've done that too

[cosmic sigil]

i'm not really a queller

[feral verge]

i think i find warp absorption more impactful

that's what im using now

[cosmic sigil]

i'll try that

what did you say you needed exorcist 4?

[feral verge]

yes, atleast for use with quietitude

because it become as one for one exchange

exorcist 4 is 5% peril

[cosmic sigil]

damn i only have 3

[feral verge]

quietitude is 10% peril = 5% toughness

[cosmic sigil]

break the lock ffs

[harsh gust]

shredder op

[cosmic sigil]

just did a 3 psyker 1 zealot, 3 shredder 1 purgatus... that was fast

[ember hornet]

nerf autopistol when

[feral verge]

@near wyvern

do oyu know if there are diminishing returns for damage resistance perks?

i believe i've read that somewhere on here before

i have 50% sniper resist

[spice veldt]

yeah it's diminishing because they stack multiplicatively

so if you've got 3x 20% sniper res, you'll take 51.2% damage instead of the 40% that you would expect if it had been additive stacking

in other words, you get 48.8% damage res instead of 60%

[feral verge]

also @ember hornet we disagree on hr vs twbs so i hate you and cannot trust you . sorry kid, you should've adopted my opinion without question or thought. mods, can we ban this guy

[spice veldt]

i support this

[feral verge]

thanks for mathing it for me

i am no good at math

and actively refuse to become good at math

[spice veldt]

here's the maffs for 3x 20% sniper res

[feral verge]

roight

[feral verge]

ew

[spice veldt]

that's the damage you'll take

[feral verge]

hurts my lizard brain

[spice veldt]

and just 1 minus that is the damage resistance that you get

[near wyvern]

Sniper resist is still bis change my mind

[spice veldt]

"simply don't get hit"

i'm really greedy, so I haven't been running sniper res for other perks

[near wyvern]

Yeah say that to the no scope 360 hacker who shoots you through walls

[spice veldt]

i've never ever been shot by a sniper ever in the 1 million hours that i've played this game

could never happen to me

[lunar hollow]

tbh if i get shot by a sniper either im playing super bad and will thus go down either way

[crystal jolt]

whats the damage spread like for a sniper with toughness vs health? i.e. is it just a flat number that comes out of toughness then into health or does it do more damage to toughness then damage to health?

[lunar hollow]

or the game is fucking with me/my ping is really bad

and thus i will die

[feral verge]

thoughts @near wyvern

[spice veldt]

sniper damage completely ignores your toughness if it manages to break it

[feral verge]

this be what i running

[spice veldt]

you either fully absorb the damage with your toughness, or you take full damage into your health

[crystal jolt]

[spice veldt]

snipers also deal 10x damage to toughness and deal 122.5 base damage on damnation

so you'll need 1225 effective toughness to absorb the hit, which only vet with toughness curios or sniper res and with unwavering focus can do

[near wyvern]

Those will do. I like to run Toughness on my curios instead of health because health damage sticks but it does have the downside of having to run some grim resist.

Also using one stamina curio

Cuz stamina so good

[feral verge]

yeah i tried toughness stacking for the first time lol

earleir today

after 700 hours

[near wyvern]

It's really nice with kinetic shielding

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[near wyvern]

Okish with kinetic deflection

[feral verge]

yeah i liked it on my melee build

[near wyvern]

With my blue fire void I run kinetic shielding and just live at 80-100 peril. Rarely drop below 50% toughness.

[feral verge]

it's just i like my perks on my hp curios

i'm too lazy to crop these

[near wyvern]

Yeah, Psykers have really good stam regen tho so it's not really necessary to have them on curios

[feral verge]

but this is the best i got for toughness curios, really

[feral verge]

yee, i thought so

but i kinda like it. just more of a good thing

[bitter escarp]

it's a bit of an overinvestment

[lunar hollow]

but if u think about it... psyker has highest stamina regen. which means u get the most out of the stamina regen buffs

compared to any other class

[bitter escarp]

as in, you pretty much regenerate it all in a blink anyway

[spice veldt]

highest stamina regen delay

zealot is the one with the highest stamina regen

[lunar hollow]

wouldnt know i sprint everywhere

i am incapable of anything but forward motion as zealot

[spice veldt]

i've accepted the life of having weak cardio

[bitter escarp]

regen stats affect both, no?

[spice veldt]

the trauma staff protects all

[bitter escarp]

delay and regen speed

[spice veldt]

that's been confirmed for toughness regen speed so far, though I haven't checked for stamina regen

time to check brb

[bitter escarp]

cheers!

[feral verge]

in theory, what could i change stam regen out for

[near wyvern]

+toughness or +health

Having one on all three is almost like an extra curio

Especially for +toughness

[feral verge]

yee i used to do that

stacked hp curios

260 hp

[near wyvern]

If you wanna meme do 9 stam with block cost reduction

[feral verge]

i have that lol

well, minus block cost reduction perks on curios

[spice veldt]

recorded without and with +10% stam regen (3x +10 stam regen) and both the stamina regen delay time was ~0.5 seconds

[feral verge]

thanks for testing

[spice veldt]

so I guess toughness regen speed is an interesting case

not that there are other "speed" things to test

[feral verge]

so

should i replace the sniper resist curio for gunner resist

note: i have 50% sniper resist in total with the sniper resist curio on

and 15% gunner resist

[bitter escarp]

does this actually work

[feral verge]

if i went with the gunner one, i'd have 30% sniper and gunner resist% + 5% hp

[bitter escarp]

tried a budget version and it got absolutely bodied by one gunner

[feral verge]

you did something wrong

[bitter escarp]

deflector 4 too

[feral verge]

because you can facetank bosses

and hordes of gunners

with the shield build

[spice veldt]

fun fact: block cost reduction also has multiplicative stacking

[bitter escarp]

huh

[spice veldt]

god gave us reductive effects but multiplicative stacking

[bitter escarp]

I still want to see push/force sword push attacks scale with max stamina

[feral verge]

you need kinetic deflection

and stam curios

something like this would help

[bitter escarp]

riight, I thought it dispensed with KD is why

the 9 stamina is an added buffer

not rawdogging it on stamina

I'm assuming that the damage keeps getting distributed across perils and stamina like a hot potato

[near wyvern]

No. Gunners are non issue with psyker (they only affect dreg and scag gunners as well as reapers, not regular ranged mobs and not shotgunners)

If it did affect shotgunners it would be a solid option

[feral verge]

yee ik

there have been a few times though where i drop down somewhere, or some shit

then there's a gunner behind

and get annihilated

[spice veldt]

smh

[feral verge]

smh my head

[spice veldt]

smh smh

[feral verge]

im shaking my smh so much rn

[spice veldt]

it eats into your peril first; peril is essentially 4 times your max stamina

[bitter escarp]

people keep asking for plague marine bosses

I fear the heretic scout marine squad more

astartes shotguns galore

[feral verge]

tomboymomygothgf

[bitter escarp]

yeah been running KD with 3 health curios the entire time, was wondering about the 9 stam meme build

[spice veldt]

quite a recognizable name

[crimson dust]

Idk if I fucked up but I spent all my mats upgrading weapons lol

[ember hornet]

also

it's not a disagreement if you are just wrong

[spice veldt]

depends on the weapon

there's not much else to spend your mats on besides getting good nuff curios and weapons

[crimson dust]

I was upgrading staffs. I’ve been using blues this whole time

[feral verge]

Only staff not worth dedicating time to upgrading thoroughly is surge staff

Cuz it's a tool, not a true weapon

A perfect orange surge staff will only be 10% better than a regular grey surge staff

[crimson dust]

Oh I thought it was good

[olive ember]

How dare you

Surge staff is great

just that its blessings dont majorly affect it since you use it for the CC

so having faster charge time (flurry) and extra crit chance (nexus) on a staff that you spam uncharged rmb to stun shit isn't that useful

[cosmic sigil]

is uncanny strike good on the illisi?

[kind jay]

not really

the only thing illisi cant straight up 2 shot are crushers really

[cosmic sigil]

yeah that is clear

[tropic vigil]

vendor feeling generous

[raven gate]

gettin curious is too damn hard. and the +curio chance is either broken or helps too little

[tropic vigil]

is curio reward % efficent?

if you wanted to farm curios

seems like only way is just get lucky at vendor

[raven gate]

doesnt feel like it. ive been running 3 + curio chance on my main and i still barely see them

they might outright be bugged and not helping

[tropic vigil]

i ran % curios a few times and it felt as if i was seeing them the right amount, but that was a few patches ago.

not a big fan of the perk

[crystal jolt]

i was thinking of switching to it after farming dockets for the new cosmetics, so it's good to know ahead of time that it's probably not worth it.

[tropic vigil]

id rather just get a weapon i can at least harvest a maybe good blessing from than a curio thats ass

[crystal jolt]

true but i have like pretty solid weapons across the board and the curio grind is way worse than the weapon grind.

if it doesn't work, i'll just have to stick with whatever dogshit melk / vendor serves me up and dump resources into bricking more of them.

[tropic vigil]

it couldnt hurt to try

i think level 4 for curio chance is 20%? or 15?

[raven gate]

i dont have the game open but i think its 20

[crystal jolt]

Yeah.

Maxes out at 60%

On 3 curios

[burnt maple]

why are people doing 3x +3 stam curios?

[spice veldt]

memes

you are an insane person if you actually use three stamina curios

(I used to use three stamina curios back when they all gave +1)

[burnt maple]

lol

[raven gate]

ladies and gentlemen, I present u
ARCOTASH: the living meme!

[spice veldt]

i only used three stamina curios for like 50 hours

i'm a reformed person

[raven gate]

debatable

[karmic delta]

The Seer has repented!!!

[feral verge]

congrats

[karmic delta]

The grind for it paid off. A sense of completion.

[raven gate]

repented? oh thats nice, guess atoma is safe now and there are no heretics? OH WAIT, THERES HORDES OF THEM
get back to slaying

[karmic delta]

true

omw back to Tertium I guess..

[raven gate]

damn right. wake up psyker, we got a planet to purge

[karmic delta]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-silverhand-gif-26201510

[kind jay]

need a 40k version where instead of keanu it's morrow

[white sky]

So, how do we feel about Deimos vs Illisi? Cause the more I use Illisi I think I prefer Deimos

Deimos reminds me of Saltz rapier moveset

[karmic delta]

"Wake the kark up Reject. We've got a hive to save"

[raven gate]

well the demios is like the 2nd coming of salts rapier moveset

[kind jay]

it's the reverse for me.

[karmic delta]

I prefer the Deimos waaaay more

[raven gate]

let me make it clear as to why
clears throat chapter one:

[karmic delta]

Usually I spam the first light attacks just because how damaging it is

[white sky]

Illisi is a great horde clearer but I feel like with minimal effort the Deimos does it just as well

[karmic delta]

Deimos with Slaughterer do just as well yeah

[white sky]

Deimos moveset also feels better into elites and whatnot

[spice veldt]

against a horde of sufficient density, the Illisi will be measurably better in terms of hordeclear

I personally like the illisi because of its generalist nature and killing a bunch of enemies, which is nice when diving ranged enemies and regenning toughness

[white sky]

I believe that, the moveset is very lawnmower

[spice veldt]

the stagger of the special is nice; light-specials come out fast enough for you to repeatedly spam light-specials into ragers before they can hit you https://streamable.com/tb0hug

[white sky]

Yeah, I believe that, but my preference for the Deimos comes from the moveset. I was a rapier Saltz main for a long, long time so it's very comfy to me

[spice veldt]

deimos takes a bit more brain from me

partly because I have to aim with it

[white sky]

That's why I like it, very satisfying

[spice veldt]

yeah it's certainly more interactive

[nova dirge]

Aint that a deimos?

[karmic delta]

Illisi with Deimos skin

[spice veldt]

it's the paid skin of the newest psyker cosmetic set

it was 100 aquilas so i grabbed it

I don't particularly think that illisi's model fits the moveset

the thin blade being the one with the sweeping moveset

[white sky]

I love the illisi model tbh

[spice veldt]

the handguard bulk is too much for my preference

[karmic delta]

I think the Deimos more like Longswords

[kind jay]

it's too similar to obscurus

[spice veldt]

I like the obscurus model among them all

[karmic delta]

Longswords are primarily stab weapons

[nova dirge]

So you think the one with the serrated blade slices better?

[spice veldt]

nah, I don't think the deimos model fits the illisi moveset either

[nova dirge]

Well, barbed

[white sky]

Frankly the Deimos is just very Freudian imo

[spice veldt]

if I had my way, I'd give the illisi the model of obscurus, deimos the model of illisi, and obscurus the model of deimos

[nova dirge]

Doesnt the deimos and the obscurus have a pretty similar moveset anyways?