psyker-class

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a somewhat niche defensive tool

but it is nice to have it

[floral relic]

I see

Anyway, if I want to start out by trying to get a good Illisi first

What blessings do I want to look for?

And when farming, how do I farm blessings?
Do I buy random white Illisis, and upgrade them to blue to get the blessing?

For example, this is the Illisi I'm currently using

[spice veldt]

that's kinda what I do, though I also upgrade them to orange; I don't know whether there's any difference between the chances of getting higher tier blessings between green->blue or purple->orange

Slaughterer is the main blessing to look for on the Illisi (and the other force swords in general)

for the second blessings, the choices are usually Deflector/Unstable Power/Uncanny Strike/Bloodthirsty

[floral relic]

I see, power means "+atk +def" right?

[spice veldt]

power is +Damage%, +Cleave%, and +Impact%(stagger)

it doesn't give any damage reduction

[floral relic]

Also what does Bloodthirsty mean?

[spice veldt]

when you kill an enemy with your special attack, your next swing will be a critical hit

[floral relic]

What's cleave%?

I see

[spice veldt]

it scales how many enemies you can hit in a swing

[cosmic sigil]

https://youtu.be/tZBDmeMLjfQ https://youtu.be/Aw_bv7iEa_w https://youtu.be/N4Sn5J_b-IQ

[floral relic]

Weird... I swear a random loading screen popup says Power decrease the amount of damage you take... lmao

[spice veldt]

ah the creator was going off some info they were hearing

[floral relic]

Thanks a lot!
Yup, this is exactly what I need, being hard stuf Malice lmao

[spice veldt]

I believe that they should be removing some stuff

[cosmic sigil]

those videos are good

[floral relic]

Oh it's from the random mod I see

[spice veldt]

so let's consider the illisi heavies, which have 6 cleave. Then, there are the Groaners, which have 0.75 hitmass. With 6 cleave, you can hit (6/0.75) = 8 groaners.

[floral relic]

Also I think in theory, once you are lv 30, you can use pure skill with shit gear to survive Damnation?

[floral relic]

Ah, I see, Groaners is the trash we fight right?

[spice veldt]

yeah just become a god gamer and solo hishock5

there are two enemies that I assume that you're referring to by "trash"

[floral relic]

[spice veldt]

there are the Groaners, with 200 hp, dealing 64 damage on Damnation, and with the armour type of Unarmoured

[floral relic]

Hun TIL Groaner and Poxwalker are differnet

Also Unarmored and Infested are... different armor types...?

[spice veldt]

then there are the Poxwalkers, with 300 hp, dealing 48 damage on Damnation (and some corruption), and with the armour type of Infested

ye

[floral relic]

What do you usually call the purple health again?

[spice veldt]

it's Corruption

[floral relic]

I see

btw in lore, I think toughness isn't actually like, a shield?

toughness is more like something your human body natually have?

Instead of like, one of those fancy personal protection shields in Warhammer?

Like the scab captain is wearing a Personal Energy Shield

You, as a filfty foot soilder, isn't?

[harsh urchin]

how does uncanny strike function

rend specifically

[cosmic sigil]

i started heresy at lvl20 with my psyker and damn around 25

so yeah

[spice veldt]

So, an attack has a base damage. Then, to each armour type (Unarmoured, Infested, Flak, Unyielding, Carapace, Maniac), an attack deals some percentage% of its base damage to that armour type.
For example, force sword heavies deal 65% damage to carapace; rending% will push that damage to 100%. So, if you had 40% rending, you would deal 65% + 14% = 79% damage to carapace instead, where the 14% comes from (100% - 65%) * 40% = 14%.
blessings usually offer rending as a self-buff (all attacks that come from you will have rending), though Brittleness is a debuff that gives rending to all attacks going towards that enemy

[floral relic]

pain
Angry Hard stuck Malic Noises

[cosmic sigil]

well tbh, i did it with something vastly overpowered

[floral relic]

Also how do I farm the ?

[cosmic sigil]

i used a shredder with pinning fire 4

but i did the same on my zealot with 2 and 3 and it was fine

[viral inlet]

I... actually don't know
does the game explain this in the tutorial or in the meat grinder?

[cosmic sigil]

by doing damnation pretty much

[floral relic]

btw there is only one Shredder in the game? called Ius Mk III Shredder Autopistol?

[cosmic sigil]

yes one variant

[spice veldt]

Damnation gives significantly more plasteel and Diamantine than the other difficulties

[floral relic]

I assume it's your own body since you get it as soon as you escape a prison cell lol

[harsh urchin]

is it useful in the current state of the meta

[spice veldt]

it depends on the weapon and some other stuff

the knife has some pretty shit armour mods, so Uncanny Strike is pretty good for it

[floral relic]

I should give it a try

[spice veldt]

force swords have surprisingly good armour mods (god bless), so there's not as much as a need for it

since FS heavies deal 100% to all armour types except to carapace (against which it deals 65%), so if you want to murder Carapace enemies, then there you go

there's also a synergy with DoTs

[floral relic]

btw is this decent? I've never seen +3 Stamina before

[spice veldt]

Soulblaze dealing low damage to Crushers is because of armour mods, so you can use rending% to mitigate the low damage that it deals

[formal ridge]

IMO figuring out howw to deal with each different disabler/special enemy is most useful

like hounds, mutants, trappers, bulwarks (shield guys). in each scenario have a plan

[spice veldt]

so Soulblaze will start doing some decent damage to Carapace if you've got rending% buffs up (assuming that the soulblaze was started by you)

[harsh urchin]

ah i see interesting

[floral relic]

I see, also what is the, super scary gangs of lazer dudes called?
Scab Shooter or Scab Stalker?

[spice veldt]

rending% is also the same mechanism by which the Zealot ult causes their weapons to start absolutely murdering Crushers

so you can play as a bit of a bootleg zealot with a purg + uncanny strike melee

[formal ridge]

not by me heh

[harsh urchin]

i see i see

[formal ridge]

both

[harsh urchin]

uhhh doesn't mobility effect dodge distance

[floral relic]

I see

[harsh urchin]

i wouldn't dump that on force swords

[formal ridge]

I mean on deimos yeah kind it doesnt matter

but I wouldnt want anyuthing less than 60

[spice veldt]

Scab Shooters have green eyes. Scab Stalker don't.

[harsh urchin]

i'm trying to think what ways do people normally deal with crushers?

just BB?

[spice veldt]

there are also some notable differences between those two:
Scab shooters have high base damage, and you can not break their tracking with a dodge.
Scab Stalkers have low base damage but deal 3x damage to toughness. Their tracking can be broken with a dodge.

[spice veldt]

p much. BB does deal decent DPS to crushers and it's a safe way of taking them down

maybe if you run something like the deimos you would use it; I don't run the Deimos so I've never bothered testing it too much

[harsh urchin]

running deimos purg atm

but want to swap to autopis illisi as soon as I can afford it

need a bunch more plasteel to keep crafting

[spice veldt]

yeah illisi is pretty meh against crushers unless you've got some slaughterer stacks up

if in doubt, BB I guess

[harsh urchin]

will try to make a slaught+unstable or slaught+deflect illisi

[cosmic sigil]

is there a way to chain l1 h2 on the deimos

because it kinda reminds me of a rythm game and i'm shit a that kind of thing

[olive ember]

woke up at 4 AM and what do I see?

@spice veldt getting on darktide instead of writing his essay

smh

[spice veldt]

consider eating your own ass

[spice veldt]

you pretty much have to cancel after the h2 with either a block or QQ

so weird for it to loop into l3->h2

l3 seems to be faster than l1 which makes the loop faster if you want to spam the h2 I guess

btw, if you want to spam l1 without block-cancelling or QQ, you can press LMB and then RMB in rapid succession

[olive ember]

this is why deimos is a shit weapon

and obscures is pog

[cosmic sigil]

block canceling was my first idea but i must have the timing because it goes directy in the push attack

[spice veldt]

prob a matter of releasing your middle finger off of RMB quickly enough

I played rhythm games mouse-only for a while, so I've got some mad muscle memory for that

[cosmic sigil]

so it's l1 h2 l3 h2?

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bpm-osu-osu-players-heartrate-song-gif-25165963

[cosmic sigil]

yeah i think i'm not good enough with rythm stuff

[spice veldt]

yeah, trying to repeat a light->heavy->light->heavy just loops into l1->h2->l3->h2->l3->h2->etc. for whatever god-forsaken reason

[cosmic sigil]

the l3 is fast but not really powerful, but hey it builds shred stacks

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/btmcacc-osu-btmc-gif-21506863

[spice veldt]

why don't u go like

eat macaroni or something

[olive ember]

I hate macoroni

too cheesy

kekw

[spice veldt]

i like my cheese

too bad i'm asian

[olive ember]

lmao

I mean im not lactose intolerant even tho i'm asian

My family just hates cheese

[spice veldt]

you fucker

[olive ember]

well I'm fine with it

but my parents don't like it

lmao

just don't be lactose intolerant

I mean its not like it makes a difference my parents still buy lactaid milk or wte the fuck

but seeing how I eat pizza like every other day cuz its cheap

yeah I'm not lactose intolerant

[spice veldt]

eh, I can eat pizza fine

[feral topaz]

I cant sadge

[spice veldt]

i only shit water if I drink half a gallon of unheated milk

[cosmic sigil]

so hmm guyz you can be lactose intolerant and eat chese or yogurt

[olive ember]

lmao

[spice veldt]

yeah there is some level of tolerance, no matter how small it is

[olive ember]

I drink milk for no reason tho its hard to tell nowadays since they buy lactaid milk for wte reason

but I can drink milk from like the store and be fine

so yeah

[cosmic sigil]

if i drink too much milk i will shit water

[feral topaz]

If I eat yellow cheese, Ill be uncomfortable for like 10 hours, if I eat white cheese I actually experience pains

[cosmic sigil]

but i do raclette and eat cheese and lots of yogurt and i'm fine

[spice veldt]

yeah actual stomach pain that hurts a lot

[cosmic sigil]

have you tried goat cheese?

[olive ember]

I mean my stomach is just weak in general tbh

[cosmic sigil]

another cheese than cow cheese

[feral topaz]

since I started experiencing the allergies, no

[olive ember]

but its not intolerance ig, its just that my stomach is weak af

thats actually the reason why my parents buy lactaid lmao

they thought I was lactose intolerant

and turns out no

my stomach is just weak as shit

[spice veldt]

lemayo

so I guess stuff like spicy stuff also unsettles your stomach?

[olive ember]

spicy stuff but also if I just don't like wash my hands before eating

if I'm like outside

but it wont immediately upset my stomach or anything just the next day I won't be expecting anything solid

I can't handle spice that well either so yeah

I'm better now than I was like a year ago tho, because one of my friends just loves spicy food so its just like "yeah its fine I can handle it" (I can't handle it)

but hey my spice tolerance has increased because of it

[spice veldt]

silver lining

[gloomy edge]

I think the biggest missing feature of the psykers is that they don't throw up gang signs to cast spells

[olive ember]

should play ffxiv ninja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4HKR7lh3C4

some of the abilities in the later half got removed cuz funny vid from 8 years ago

[formal ridge]

surge voidstrike my new fav staff

[olive ember]

It’s something

Good roll tho

[compact cargo]

nothing beats infantry gun

best friend if melee Psyker

[olive ember]

uhuh...

[cosmic sigil]

what kind of blessings do you look for in a voidstrike?

surge, warp flurry, nexus ?

[compact cargo]

Probably the one where you quell on weakspot for sure

then personal preference

[feral topaz]

warp flurry, quell on hit one

become ze artillery

[hearty python]

@cosmic sigil Warp Flurry, Transfer Peril

[cosmic sigil]

ok warp flurry seems to be bis in most staves

it's the onslaught of staves right?

[karmic delta]

I dont use warp flurry xd

[hearty python]

@cosmic sigil this is my Voidstrike, it's a killing machine

[cosmic sigil]

nice

[hearty python]

I just wish I could trade unyeilding for maniac

[kind jay]

tbh this is a good thing. too much spice will fuck your stomach up permanently

can develop nasty ulcers from it

[floral relic]

Does anyone know how Opening Salvo works?

As in, first shot in Salvo does more damage

I think on single shot weapons, you need to like, shoot a bit slower for it to work?

[cosmic sigil]

It tends to reset faster on some weapons with ads.

Like vraks3 or 7 hh

So you get it every burst or shot

You need to try it in the psykhanium in hipfire and ads. Just look at when the icon is grey or not

[floral relic]

I see

[olive ember]

Opening salvo resets when your recoil resets

But yeah just look at the animation if you have it

[floral relic]

Does anyone know if this bug is caused by a mod?

When obtaining new items, it looks like this

And it's very hard to see the stats

[olive ember]

I don’t use mods Herm

@spice veldt essayboy help thx

[spice veldt]

I have 50-ish mods and I don't have the same problem when buying from brunts so idk

[ornate hamlet]

?

Which is a better purchase?

[spice veldt]

trauma is meh, and I wouldn't buy it unless you really wanted to go for a blazing spirit warp nexus trauma

deimos has nice stat distrib and t4 unstable power, but the perks are meh

[elfin flower]

Which group of weapons are you more lacking in

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmmmmm...

I have a good Deimos- and I am gonna go finish some tasks first

[spice veldt]

here's some minor illisi tech; for the Illisi (and Deimos) force sword, you always chain into the second attack from your push and push-attack, which is a stupid peepee poopoo pissbaby diagonal. If you hold down LMB, tap RMB immediately afterwards (and let go of RMB while holding LMB), you will instead throw out the first heavy. (If you tap LMB and then tap RMB, you'll throw out a 1st light instead).
This tech works for all force swords (but not other melee weapons), where tapping RMB immediately after pressing LMB will throw out the 1st attack in a chain regardless of where you're currently in your chain. https://streamable.com/vpkxh8

if you do LMB->RMB too soon after the push/push-attack, you'll just do a stupid 2nd attack instead, so you need to wait a little bit afterwards

this works on the Obscurus or Deimos to spam the 1st light by just spamming LMB->RMB

aka you can light-spam on the Obscurus without needing to ever touch the 2nd light, and without needing to block-cancel or QQ

slower than QQ but doesn't take APM or a macro to perform

[vale viper]

Probably too late but neither really unless youre taking deflector.

[floral relic]

I see, do seems like a weird issue

[digital loom]

🅱️ syker

[raven gate]

Beta psyker

[digital loom]

what's up with this shair lmao

[ornate hamlet]

I just have this by chance, and now I am thinking of finding a critical perk

[tropic mirage]

Would this be worth uping ?

[raven gate]

i guess mobility is a dumpstat but why not wait for a better base rating?

[graceful eagle]

its good but chances for IV blessings are slim

[tropic mirage]

Maybe worth but I struggle to have enought money

Ohh blessing depends of the rating ?

[raven gate]

what difficulty are u running right now?

[tropic mirage]

4+ but want to do 5

[raven gate]

the chances of a tier 4 go up with base rating. but not guaranteed

hmm, well i guess u could upgrade this if ur struggling with cash
but on that note, gun psyker should be a later build to do.
first u should do a staff build since at the very least u bring the "utility" of not spending ammo for ur team

but if u insist on using gun psyker first. then i guess thats a decent starter pistol

[tropic mirage]

Got a good stagg and a good wep for now

staff*

so i m not too much in a hurry

[graceful eagle]

just get good shredder with pinning fire iv and forget about staff's until they nerf autopistol

[raven gate]

heretic!

[tropic mirage]

Any advice on staff i a min love wsith the Equinox Mk IV Voidstrike Force Staff
But not sure it s the best for late game

[raven gate]

i dont use voidstrike. cant get it to be as effective as any other staff.
but for the time being im looking for quell peril blessings and warp flurry

[tropic mirage]

Okk thxx 🙂

[cosmic sigil]

i'm dripping too

[raven gate]

then go get a towel

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-towel-towelie-south-park-upset-no-you-are-gif-22089206

[steel sluice]

Should I try to go for a illisi force sword or a deimos

[raven gate]

both are good options. depends on the staff ur using tho

[spice veldt]

if you feel like meleeing more often, go for the Illisi

if your hordeclear is covered by your staff and you want some single-target, go for the deimos

[ornate hamlet]

What's with this?

[raven gate]

why u buying obscurus >,< RIP ordo dockets

[ornate hamlet]

Set reasons.

[steel sluice]

Which of the two pairs better with guns

[ornate hamlet]

I already have a 500+ Deimos Sword, and I am still trying to get a 500 Illisi Sword.

[raven gate]

as arcotash said, depends if u want ur melee to be better at horde clearing or single target
but i would argue illisi is more well rounded

demios struggles with hordes. but illisi can just be charged up multiple times and u can wack a crusher all the same

[karmic delta]

Heresy Hi intensity is rough Gun psyker saves the day

[dense vault]

since when does deimos struggle with hordes?

[karmic delta]

spam dodges and light attacks and youre good with deimos

[dense vault]

i respectfully disagree

[raven gate]

it does okay. but when u compare it to illisi. u will not be doing nearly as well

[dense vault]

illisi definitely clears hordes easier and safer than deimos but deimos is not by any means horrible or struggling with horde clear with it´s good damage and infinite dodging

[karmic delta]

Slaughterer exist

[raven gate]

everything is relative

[karmic delta]

Deimos with slaughterer is godly

[dense vault]

my deimos has slaughterer IV and deflector and it shits on anything in melee pretty much

[karmic delta]

AXE was a late joiner during the last part of Relay because some guy just gave up after he died and left xd

[tropic mirage]

how do you get these stats ?

[karmic delta]

Shredder Psyker

And it was on Heresy also

[spice veldt]

god gave the deimos light chain diagonal overheads and illisi two uppercutting diagonals for whatever reason

[karmic delta]

My heresy teammates are....still need to learn a lot of things

was fun actually

[ornate hamlet]

I usually find those below level 25 on Heresy.

[karmic delta]

also friends rate the drip

[strong thicket]

Karen cut psyker

It just makes me laugh every time

[karmic delta]

the only decent hairstyle besides bobcut

[strong thicket]

But yeah it's ok, the set is on a single page for a reason

[near wyvern]

eh...

[karmic delta]

the golden skull mask looks awfully flashy and thats why I love it.

[karmic delta]

Donate to charity some of those

[raven gate]

melt them for ordo dockets. u can never have enough ordo dockets

when u get enough ordo dockets u can summon an ordo docket tsunami and clear the map instantly

[ornate hamlet]

Also, I keep getting 2 or more Psykers in my teams.

Always at least 1 or 2 Psykers, as a Psyker.

Why is it always like this?

[raven gate]

if u do the konami code with another psyker u can do a fusion dance

[ornate hamlet]

I tried that...

...that only wiped the team out ||(Chaos Spawn)||

[raven gate]

nono u messed it up. if u do it right u become a demon host

[ornate hamlet]

https://youtu.be/mQF_qB0eADg

[raven gate]

stupid sexy kruber

[echo turtle]

with slaughterer the deimos lights carve through hordes like a knife through butter

I was using a wildfire build and hordes evaporated with that sword in my hand

[dense vault]

I am aware on what deimos can do against hordes 🙂

[echo turtle]

Its good, I think the Illisi shines at being able to poind groups of ragers and ogryn mixed in the horde with the charhe attack, and being able to heal you with warp absorption readily

but saying the Illisi is the horde clear and the diemos is the single target isn’t really true

which I am not saying you’re saying. It’s just a common narrative

[weary idol]

well I mean it is they're just not exclusively that

the deimos has the highest non-activation single attack in the game with H2

and p sure its activation outdamage all of the others except for TH against unyielding

[tropic mirage]

oh no I was thinking how do you see detailed stat at the end of a mission

[raven gate]

u mean the scoreboard? thats a mod

[tropic mirage]

ohh

do you have the name ?

[raven gate]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/

[tropic mirage]

thxx

[raven gate]

first u need the modding framework and the modloader

after that just search scorebnoard

[spice veldt]

here's a text and gif guide to setting up and installing mods https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/installing-mods

[tropic mirage]

yeah did a little bit of modding on skyrim but had no idead it was available on Dartie. Thx a lot for the info

[smoky wigeon]

is the columnus autogun pretty good?

Im not a big fan of the staves. I enjoy the warp swords more...

[strong thicket]

It's very simple honestly, merely a copy paste

[graceful eagle]

mk I is better and somehow usable on vet, but I wouldn't bother with autoguns on psyker

[graceful eagle]

just get shredder

[strong thicket]

It's very mediocre on anything but vet cause of his volley fire

If you want some good guns use shredder as said before, or even vraks mk3. That gun's good regardless of class with some nice rolls

[spice veldt]

agri infantry is nice, but I hope that you have good aim and can hit heads

[strong thicket]

Or just go with an agri brauto

[spice veldt]

psyker arms are too weak to use braced autoguns 🥺

the recoil would shatter our arms and we are thus disallowed from using them

[strong thicket]

Skinny aahh psykers, use the warp or something

[olive ember]

But we could use shotguns in The CBT

[smoky wigeon]

@strong thicket @graceful eagle cool thanks I'm a fan of the shredder so that works. Just didn't wanna use staves.

[spice veldt]

yeah and our player characters had to take a month off for their arms to rest

same goes for the heavy sword

think of the muscle tearing that occurred when our characters used them

[strong thicket]

But we can use combat axes to hack at crushers

[spice veldt]

combat axes have an aerodynamic shape that allow us to generate lift in order to properly bring them up into the air without causing excessive stress to our arms

[karmic delta]

jokes on you. My Psyker has been visiting the gym

[edgy garnet]

If there is a psyker here named Helene, GG

[raven gate]

Helene of Cadia? wars have been fought on her name

[edgy garnet]

[near wyvern]

Only if it's bent and you swing it blunt end first

[echo turtle]

You think the axes are impressive, Our psyler holds and uses tue force swords, which are clearly two handed swords in length with a delicate one handed fencing grip

[echo turtle]

The weapons are filled with upside down cats, as they defy the laws of gravity. Additionally, our wrists must be made of ceramite

[spice veldt]

indeed, our wrists are stronger than any other class

[near wyvern]

I am so happy I spent 1.55M on the white gear, I can finally cosplay Gandalf with Trauma + Deimos. None shall pass.

[echo turtle]

when you die you have to say “Fly! you fools!”

[raven gate]

Pygex, Pygex the gray? is that rlly u?

[raven gate]

images u can hear

[near wyvern]

This doesn't even require captions

[raven gate]

oh i know this one
"You shall not proceed"

[raven gate]

https://youtu.be/2kr7KDCsIws?t=476

[warm ledge]

which of these should i use?

[raven gate]

dual wield them. one in each hand
but if u suffer from skill issue defficiency then i'd pick left

[spice veldt]

if inner tranq, then the right one

if not, then the left one for the higher charge rate, and you can afford to give up some warp res

you'll probably need to quell three ticks to get a full charge off from 100% peril though, depending on how you're playing the trauma staff

[warm ledge]

i usually run inner tranq with trauma

i guess i'll stick to the right one, thanks

[spice veldt]

yeah, mostly for the lower warp res
it's a shame that you miss out on rending shockwave, but the trauma can stagger crushers anyways

[warm ledge]

yeah, that's why i was tempted to switch

really wanted rending shockwave

oh well, cant have everything

thanks for the locks fatshark

[terse swift]

is that thing worth buying from melk?

[raven gate]

its not perfect but its pretty good. are u doing a deflector build?

[graceful eagle]

poopoo perks

[raven gate]

deflector 3 isnt bad

[terse swift]

idk im just playing flamer staff and im using some random axe that does its melee job pretty well

but i saw alot of people use this sword so i thought it might be worth it

[raven gate]

not rlly much point to mix it with flamer tho

[graceful eagle]

get Deimos if you running with purgatus

[terse swift]

oh psyker got 3 swords now

[raven gate]

yup
illisi - crowd control
obscurus - middle ground (dont buy xecpt to extract blessings)
demios - single target

[terse swift]

obscurus was the release one right? lol

[raven gate]

yes

[terse swift]

ok ty for the advice guys

[ember hornet]

illisi - horde clear, single target, everything under the sun

[terse swift]

crafted this one got 2 IV blessings hope they arent trash

[ember hornet]

not quite the blessings you are looking for

[terse swift]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[raven gate]

i mean. he could still do a good deflector build

of course that would mean casting a t4 blessing into the fire

which...pain

[ember hornet]

and being left with a bad blessing

[raven gate]

bloodthirsty could be cool tho

[ember hornet]

it used to be

[terse swift]

i dont have anything for psyker i just started playing it again yesterday , last time i played it was in beta lol

[ember hornet]

bloodthirsty only really works on illisi

and even then it's just a worse unstable

[terse swift]

this blessing better?

[ember hornet]

unstable is nice

[raven gate]

yes thats pretty good

swap riposte for deflector and infested for hmm something

[ember hornet]

unstable is up to 20% btw

I'd use slaughterer over deflector

slaughterer stronk

[raven gate]

deflector stronk-est

[ember hornet]

eh

deimos already has giga infinite dodges

[raven gate]

true, but its so handy when ur caught in the open against 5 shotgunners

[ember hornet]

I'd only run deflector if you have slaughterer as a base

[raven gate]

also that new ascension riser map that has no cover whatsoever

he has unstable power to compensate

[terse swift]

i just flame spam them for stagger

[spice veldt]

simply have teammates be bait for ranged enemies

[kind jay]

34 mobility Deimos ouch

[raven gate]

infinite dodges dont need mobility

[terse swift]

i'm using mobility as dump stat

[warm ledge]

definitely, most important stats are all maxed out and i actually like having ~50% warp resistance on illisi. plus, it has deflector 3

go for it

[terse swift]

i'd also like to try the electro staff out but idk what to roll on that one

[warm ledge]

just swap executor for slaughterer

[ember hornet]

are there any funny BPs you can hit with max stacks slaughterer, unstable, warp unleashed, warp battery deimos

[terse swift]

the flamer staff is kind off a no brainer

[kind jay]

surge is nexus/flurry. flak + preference

it also has 5 blessings so it's easy to max

dump stats being quell or warp resist somewhat

[raven gate]

so any1 figured out the max 80 on the stats?

I figured they are going to release one more tier after this that can reach 100. maybe up the base rating to 400-450

prob when the new difficulty comes out

[graceful eagle]

we probably gonna get red items like in vt2 maybe even 6th difficulty
but at this rate it would take them a good few years

[raven gate]

red items will almost certainly not be perfect rolls tho. just the next tier

[twilit finch]

Red items in the last game had perfect stats and predetermined blessings. I expect that here too

[tropic mirage]

would like a system where you can only drop them like in Vermtinide only on last tier difficulty by taking toms or thing like that

But I don't believe they would do that tho

[raven gate]

oh you sweet summer child. darktide has deliberately been made much more grindy than vt2. fatshark (or their tencent overlords) don't wana do perfect rolls again

[steel flame]

FATSHARK for the love of the emprah.....SET UP A GODDAM AUTO ROTATION FOR MUTATORS ITS BEEN SET TO DOGS FOR OVER A WEEK

[raven gate]

no it hasnt lol. uve just been incredibly unlucky
although dogs do pop up a lot

[steel flame]

unlucky my ass

its been set to this for over a week

[graceful eagle]

where is my Hi-Intensity Lights Out Hunting Grounds Shock Troop Gauntlet

[steel flame]

they arent rolling because dogs are here to stay forever

still somebody decides to manuelly change the global

[raven gate]

ive played all those this past week
i saw high schocl troops this morning

[steel flame]

right now its weighted for dogs, so we see less of everything else. im tired of it

[raven gate]

thats possible. i hate dog missions mytself so I could be biased remembering them. But it feels like dogs are more common

[ember hornet]

hi5 dogs is actual pain

[steel flame]

dogs dogs dogs, low intensity dogs, dogs hi intensity dogs once in a blue moon, more low intensity dogs

fuck it makes me not wanna play

[steel flame]

DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?!?!?!?!?!

[echo turtle]

I wish there was always a Hi5 available

[raven gate]

thats doesnt prve anything, doesnt matter how many times u post it

[ember hornet]

hi5 should just be the default difficulty

[steel flame]

if dogs are rolling more often other stuff is not. its not hard to understand

[echo turtle]

regular Damnation is 2ez

[ember hornet]

oddly I thought sycorax had decent difficulty tuning for regular damnation

[raven gate]

u literally have a sample size of 1. lol

[steel flame]

ITS BEEN LIKE THIS THE WHOLE WEEK

-_-

anyways game just rolled the first hi shock ive seen in 3 days so off i go

i miss having hi intensity all the time

[steel flame]

your willful ignorance confuses and angers me

[raven gate]

the emperor forgives u my child

[hard breach]

How is gun psyker my siblings? Been using staff but thinking on trying to run some guns

[steel flame]

shredder shredds

laspistol is also fun

[hard breach]

And the other guns?

[raven gate]

shredder pistol is op right now. so thats the safe choice

[twilit finch]

I like the vraks headhunter on psyker but I am a weirdo

[raven gate]

the only rllly rlly bad gun right no are the recon lasguns

[steel flame]

alot of people like the kantreal but i find it very boring

[near wyvern]

I actually enjoy hi shock 5

[echo turtle]

mk3 vraks also very underrated imo

[echo turtle]

I wish I could try it

FS doesn’t like it when we play missions we like tho

[near wyvern]

And revolver

[steel flame]

is it too much to ask to want to play hi intensity on the new maps ;~;

[near wyvern]

Trauma gameplay doesn't change much between lo and hi tho

[steel flame]

fire trauma gets better on hi

[near wyvern]

Trauma gameplay POV

You just get a shit ton bigger damage number on the scoreboard

[graceful eagle]

dont you just tickles enemies with soul blaze

[near wyvern]

So you think

Until you realize

[graceful eagle]

you tickles them to death?

[steel flame]

yeah well maybe i do wanna kill a hundred enemies at a time thank you very much

😛

[near wyvern]

It has 8.6m radius, so 17.2m diameter. Sorta half of AB in range.

You get warp nexus 4 and +5% crit so you have 30% chance to apply 3 stacks of Soulblaze per cast to everything you touch. That's a 9% chance of two casts in a row critting.

So you get sorta 6 stack AB casts for free

All this while aiming at your team's feet keeping all melee and elites on their ass

[steel flame]

i like pinning shooters too

[near wyvern]

The only enemy you can't bully is mutant and that you can one shot easy with Deimos since you have high peril anyways

Yeah it works wonders on shooters, not the fastest but there is no covering from it

Fire trauma requires very specific rolls (max charge rate and blast radius with warp nexus 4 and blazing spirit) but god damn it's so versatile

[steel flame]

i wish hi shock would have rolled on a different map than hourglass. i think there is some dark magic that stops 90% of teams from just crossing the dam room

oh well

off to work i go

[vestal raven]

something like this? if it had warp nexus anyways

[raven gate]

windows + shift + s
to take a cropped screenshot very quickly

also, sustained fire is trash on trauma. it only affects ur left click

[steel flame]

well yeah. he just needs to change it to nexus 4 and 5% ranged crit chance

[near wyvern]

Yeah that should do, you just gotta learn what's your safe peril % limit with it, ideally you want to cast such that you finish at 80-100% range without exploding and then pump it up there

@vestal raven change maniac into +5% crit chance

[frozen osprey]

Can confirm and relate

[near wyvern]

And warp nexus 4 is a must, there is a huge difference in procs with 3 and 4

[late yew]

What name of that mod again

[steel flame]

What? Sorted mission grid?

[late yew]

Yes

thanks

[steel flame]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/31

[vestal raven]

thanks

[graceful eagle]

[ornate hamlet]

I

I think that's a bit different than the Relay Station I know

[lilac tapir]

The reality has been warped by the Chaos Gods

[minor verge]

Would you reccomend exchanging Maniac for Flak-Armored or keep it the way, and should i keep flurry or exchange it for nexus or focused? (Sorry for the game being set to german : +25% Maniacs, +25% Infested Enemies , warp flurry and Terriffying Barrage)

ive already spent enough palasteel so refining would be free

[dawn bluff]

personally would swap maniac to flak/unarmoured, blessing keep it at flurry.

[minor verge]

thanks

[acoustic osprey]

bug?

[minor verge]

you were clearly thinking of something else sibling

[acoustic osprey]

idk what that means

[spice veldt]

skill-issued

it turns out that barrels inherit whatever buff the teammate who smacked them has

and barrels deal iirc 15% damage to the armour type of "Player", so presumably the person who smacked it had some rending% and you get absolutely blasted

[vestal raven]

lol

[spice veldt]

at least you can't kill your teammates with haymaker anymore

[vestal raven]

no way it works like that

u can rend the barrel?

and that makes it do bonus dmg

insane

[spice veldt]

mhm

god bless america

[kind jay]

so if you shoot it with a shredder with full stacks it inherits that?

[spice veldt]

it should

in fact ima go test that

[kind jay]

that would explain the varying damage. i figured it was a distance thing

[spice veldt]

o distance does affect the damage taken as well

damn my low ass textures can't tell yellow barrels from greys

[formal ridge]

on silo cluster i try to blow up barrels that are empty

[spice veldt]

witness great POWER and become RENDENDIOSNAIDNAISFNAFNSI https://streamable.com/duyn1w

[acoustic osprey]

til

you remind me of a guy from Division 2

[spice veldt]

is that a good thing or a bad thing

[acoustic osprey]

no, your graphics

[pallid burrow]

dangggg that's crazy. i didn't even know the game could look like that lol. so creamy.

[spice veldt]

yeah, there are some settings that you can tweak in user_settings.config

[steel flame]

Well that figures. The second I go to work

[spice veldt]

lower values correlating to lower quality

[acoustic osprey]

his name is LowPoly lol

[spice veldt]

beautiful

[ornate hamlet]

runescape

I will save a file with that and play matches listening to the Runescape OST

[acoustic osprey]

illisi special counts as soul blaze death? does it have to die to tick or die under debuff?

[spice veldt]

for wildfire and ascendant blaze, it doesn't matter what did the killing blow sa long as they were afflicted by soulblaze

illisi's special doesn't count as soulblaze despite what the visual looks like

[acoustic osprey]

i misunderstand this?

[spice veldt]

I'm also not too sure about what heretic meant by that

[formal ridge]

what.. where are your textures

[spice veldt]

maybe they meant building it for Blazing Spirit, but Blazing Spirit is not that great on force swords

[spice veldt]

i ate them

just like I'll eat you if you ask too many questions

you can get the same amazing textures if you mess with these settings #psyker-class message in your user_settings.config file

[sick isle]

replace toughness with toughness regen? idk curio perk meta for psyker

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/runescape-omw-trolling-osrs-gif-25440095

[acoustic osprey]

i prefer none of the dmg resists, but that's just me

[ornate hamlet]

fuck yeah, that's the stuff

[lilac tapir]

I would replace gunner resist with T Regen

[sick isle]

im just so use to ogryn that id never consider that an option

i prob have enough anyways lol

[harsh urchin]

i would try stamina regen, since you already have 2 rolls of toughness regen

either stamina regen or 3rd toughness regen

I think both would work, i would try both and see which i preferred

[lilac tapir]

Gunners are just the machine gunners (and Shotgunners?) I believe, so as Psyker you don't need much resistance from them. I'm running 60% Sniper Resist which allows me to survive the random surprise 360 no scope sniper.

[vernal frost]

Hey everyone, does anyone have clips of people dodging attacks just by tilting their camera angle?

[sick isle]

gunners are dreg/scab gunners and reapers

on ogryn those are def you biggest threats

[harsh urchin]

ye I think you can cut the gunner dmg resist down

replace 2/3 of those rolls with other stuff

[lilac tapir]

yea Shredder rips through Gunners and Reapers so no need for that I think.

and if you don't run Shredder you can just BB

[spice veldt]

like this? https://streamable.com/pxqay1

[vernal frost]

not really, I distinctly remember seeing a vid with melee attacks

and the guy just moves his camera

[spice veldt]

ohhh melee attacks

[harsh urchin]

i'm also using a stamina curio; i'd recommend trying that

[vernal frost]

yeah I should've clarified 😬

[spice veldt]

were they dodging around and past their effective dodge count?

maybe they did a really short dodge

[harsh urchin]

I found that orgyn and zealot have very good base stats in melee

but stamina regen and +stamina helps a lot for psyker and vet

[vernal frost]

Nah they were just standing there shaking their head

[spice veldt]

huh

[ripe sky]

so i heard you guys like edging

[vernal frost]

Might have to ask zealot chat

[sick isle]

i got a 75 +3 stamina curio that you told me to check, i just havnt got around to it. would you replace health/ toughness/ or wound curio

[harsh urchin]

um; if it were me

I would run either stam/health/wound, stamina/health/health or stam/health/toughness

I think I would just play a bunch with each setup and see which one I like

[kind jay]

that's comedy gold thanks for testing

[harsh urchin]

I don't think stam curio is optional unfortunately, but maybe it's just my playstyle

[snow coral]

hrm....

[spice veldt]

if you run the trauma staff, you can afford to forgo stamina curios and kinetic deflection

but I hope you know how to 1v1 the chaos spawn with only 3 bars lemayo

[harsh urchin]

basically what happens is I run out of stamina during melee and die in multiple runs

and then I add +stamina LOL

and then I no longer die

[sick isle]

hmm, il give it a shot i guess

you said you gotta check this in game right, that psycaruim doesnt work

[harsh urchin]

if you're not really having trouble with running out of stamina

wound/hp/hp or wound/hp/toughness is fine

[acoustic osprey]

i like wound/hp/hp

[sick isle]

i mean, i use force sword and have my slide/crouch bound to a mouse button, but really i only notice stamina issues when i get in a bad location and try to sprint away and fail

[harsh urchin]

i think i need to learn how to actually fight the spawn lmao

right now it's always a clusterfuck

[snow coral]

If you have a force sword you can just dodge away and kite if you draw agro while the rest of the team deals with it

[spice veldt]

basically just hold block before he starts a combo just in case he does a multi-hit combo, since the first hit of those are pretty much always undodgeable

and dodge-slide backwards or rightwards whenever he does his tentacle grab

[harsh urchin]

ye but in vt you could tank him in place

doesn't look like you can anymore

[acoustic osprey]

they said they changed behavior so it's more chaotic

[snow coral]

yeah you stay still you get grabbed and chewed on

[spice veldt]

all of his attacks except his grab are blockable so it's not too bad if you're running stamina or kinetic deflection

[acoustic osprey]

if you have 3 stam, it's better to dodge at least one or two of that combo hit so you can slide before he tries to grab

[spice veldt]

here's a video of crab 1v1ing the chaos spawn as a rashad veteran #zealot-class message

[acoustic osprey]

i think i'm lazy 'cause i just turn 180 to dodge then turn back

[sick isle]

should have 6 stam right? that means my curio is a bugged one?

[proper raven]

Siblings, I come to you in need: Quick startup guide for Psyker?

[sick isle]

illisi btw

[spice veldt]

don't use the trauma staff at lower ratings and levels because its stats scale extremely hard

[spice veldt]

yeah, it's bugged

[proper raven]

Anything specific I should know aobut Brain Burst?

[acoustic osprey]

target back line to reduce chance of someone shooting it

[spice veldt]

LMB takes 2 seconds to channel, RMB takes 3 seconds to channel

[proper raven]

What's the difference?

[spice veldt]

you generate 10% peril/s while channeling and generate 25% upon finishing your cast, so 45% peril on the LMB and 55% on the RMB

the RMB is pretty much just pre-charging it and allows you to do it without needing a target to lock on (at the price of being slower)

LMB requires you to lock onto a target before you can charge (in exchange for being faster)

[acoustic osprey]

unless someone needs breathing room or cornered by crushers, i think knockdowns are a hindrance in general

[spice veldt]

pretty much

I don't like to use the push-attack on force swords for that reason

[proper raven]

I just finished an Assasination with Psyker. This is fun lol

[spice veldt]

yeah psyker is nice

extremely nice stamina regen delay as well

and god blessed infinite dodges on force swords

[proper raven]

Maybe I'll consider hanging my guardsman helmet for a bit..

[spice veldt]

psyker is a very comfortable class for me since it's hard to get instantly caught out and die from shit stamina and lacking dodges

i can turn my brain off

[harsh urchin]

aka vet

ye with stamina curios + deflection you can basically just walk out of bad situations

[acoustic osprey]

every class has a free jail out of card tho

[proper raven]

Vet: Grenades

[spice veldt]

psyker's stuff is pretty much always active

[proper raven]

I knew the "Don't kill enemies being brain bursted" but never knew why until now.

[spice veldt]

nah psykers are just really generous in highlighting enemies

[acoustic osprey]

i run shredder on psyker so i can shoot whoever other psykers highlight

[harsh urchin]

killing enemies is fine lol

[spice veldt]

tbf, psykers get warp charges if brain burst is about half-charged

so it's not that punishing to get your target killed

you might tilt the psyker though

[proper raven]

More than enough enemies around.

Thank you for the help witches.

[spice veldt]

another one joins us

[harsh urchin]

qq arco

does blocking ranged attacks with deflection turn off toughness regen

[spice veldt]

i think it did last time I used deflector

lemme test rn

nah it doesn't stop coherency regen

[harsh urchin]

nice

[spice veldt]

though being near enemies will stop your coherency regen

I'm not sure on what the specific condition for it is though since sometimes it regens when you're nearby and other times it doesn't

carrying heavy objects during events and stuff also stops your coherency regen

[harsh urchin]

i see

[formal ridge]

cause I just fucking love rng

[proper raven]

Halp?

[minor verge]

for beginning upper one, if you just started out you have no staves and will use alot of headburst so regaining armor from kills seems the best

imo

[echo turtle]

Not always, sometimes you do sometimes you don’t

[proper raven]

I figured top one was the most useful right now too.

[tired estuary]

Sorry I can't hear you, I'm too busy spending all of my rumbler ammo on every poxwalker I see

[cosmic sigil]

That seems critical.

[steel flame]

I like your commitment to surprise mechanics

[steel flame]

I also can't hear you over my Trauma staff going boom boom boom

Long as your team knows your going to knock everything on it's ass is very easy for them to take advantage of that

[broken carbon]

me with a trauma staff saving teammates time and time again in just about every match

[near wyvern]

@proper raven while levelling if you always pick the top one from each column you can't go wrong, works with all weapons

[azure warren]

Is there a way on via this DC to group up in privates to do pennance runs?

[kind jay]

check the vox lfg channels

[crude cape]

do you guys subscribe to streamable, medaltv etc to be able to upload clips that embed so easily?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PZ0V0uh3w4&ab_channel=MattShiner

wanted to share this but not as smooth on youtube

illy is just so op lmao

[proper raven]

So which staff is actually useful? I'm using Surge Force but honestly, a laspistol is more useful than this for me.

[crude cape]

surge is good against armored units and specials

the dmg is decent against armor

and it does great CC, its a utility tool mostly

good support staff, stun all the mutants dogs crushers maulers groups of shooters

but its bad against horde

and boss

so you need a good illy sword to anti horde

[proper raven]

The Ogryn in me wants to unload into hordes. I need to stop myself from doing that.

[crude cape]

the trauma staff is potentially the overall strongest, but also the hardest to use and can be situational, lacks range, high peril cost etc

[viral solstice]

i use medal free

[crude cape]

purg staff is easy to use, fun to play (the build with blazing ascendance and maanging stacks/burning crowds is fun) and high dps

[viral solstice]

just because its like

i dont have to edit the clips and upload i just click button

[crude cape]

but purg lacks range, and suffers against groups of shooters.

[viral solstice]

i dont care im just lazy

[crude cape]

are you able to do it with clips i saved myself with shadowplay, or do i need to download medaltv's own recording app

[smoky wigeon]

im confused - when levelin gup a weapon or consecrating or w.e why doesnt the damage increase?

[crude cape]

purg staff, voidtrike staff and even trauma are good against hordes

but surg is not

[safe crystal]

You're adding perks and blessings to a weapon. If the base stats are fucked, they will remain fucked.

[smoky wigeon]

Okay so...my character is lvl 15. if im level 30 will the base damage be stronger?

[minor verge]

ye

you get better weapon rolls

[safe crystal]

Hence its only worth to upgrade weapons above 360+ rating with most stats in the ones you want to have as high as possible

[crude cape]

surge is anti armor, anti special, CC support staff
Purg is best anti horde, high dps, lacks range, managing stacks build required
void is general anti horde staff with range, can be very fun and isnt bad but may be the least overall 'min maxy' staff. Purg and trauma can mostly do what it does, and more, but its big thing is its range (and its fun)
Trauma possibly the best overall, but hardest to use and has limited range as well. Good against all units armored, horde, etc. Not amazing against bosses however

[minor verge]

the weapon will stay as is

[viral solstice]

uhhh medal tv basically works like shadowplay

in the sense it hooks into the game

but its separate

so u run the app while playing

doesnt seem to hurt performance significantly

i run both and doesnt matter

[crude cape]

the weapons that drop for you at lvl 30 will be better usually. But also bad and good ones will drop. Searching for a worthy "base" thats worth investing all the way in is part of the chase. Until level 30, i like to upgrade something decent i have to blue for a blessing, and just chill on that. Save your resources mostly for lvl 30+

[minor verge]

yep, save up your resources, when you are at level 30 and fin something good in the shop you can get a golden melee and staff with those resources that are gonna carry you from there on until you find something even better

[lilac tapir]

at 0:54, I thought that was my discord and spent like a good minute looking for the message haha

[crude cape]

haha woops

sry 😛

[lilac tapir]

no worries, it's always fun when it happens 🙂

[crude cape]

the dopamine when the left lights up with your name from melee elites just swinging the illisi a few times

seeing bodys fly in half

so good lol

[lilac tapir]

yup, basically a lightsaber cutting through everything, my fav is when you cut a mutant or bulwark in half and the halves go different directions

such a fun sword!

[crude cape]

ya the best

i had my ogryn friend who hasnt played for a while (he especially noted on launch how its cool ogryns actually have the power to cut the man sized enemies in half) see me cut a mutant in half with illy the other day

and he did a double take like "did you just cut that in half on a psyker?"

i was like ya bitch

lmao

[formal ridge]

surge is more anti shooter than anti special imo

[crude cape]

i consider it both, but ya i mean fair

its nice how it spreads just enough to get most shooter groups locked down

also really good against melee elites, bc anti armor

and i mean dogs/mutants stopping in their tracks is nice

its truly a support staff, when i rock it i rock an Illisi and consider myself mostly a melee build, pulling out the surge against the mentioned above targets

[formal ridge]

yeah dogs mutants definitely

[lilac tapir]

and I really like the Illisi synergy when you cut a horde down, your Slaughterer stacks are at 5 and you can 1 shot mutant before it has a chance to grab someone at critical moment and do any damage, while at the same time cleaving the horde in front of you and making sure everyone else on the team can do what they're best at

[crude cape]

ya great sword

deimos is fantastic as well if you get the poke combo down

and just swining it into a horde with slaughterer, still does fine

both are S tier melee weapons not just for psykers, but compared to all the melee weapons across all classes IMO

[flat shadow]

poor Obscurus

[lilac tapir]

yea great swords both, Psyker is in a really good spot now I feel

[flat shadow]

it's stuck in the middle somewhere

[lilac tapir]

I still have my old one, waiting for its time to shine again... one day 😄

[flat shadow]

I love it though

[crude cape]

tbh its viable, its not a bad weapon - just overshadowed. Feels like there is 0 reason to use it over one of the other two unless you're just the contrarian type that has to use the off meta one 😛 and tbh, those players are out there in droves lol so totally fine to use, just don't pretend its not a slight downgrade of either illy/deimos if you choose to use it

[steel flame]

Sometimes being in the middle ground for two extremes is a good thing. Except when both extremes are also better than the middle ground

[flat shadow]

coolest looking force sword imo

however I often base my decisions to use things in games based on how cool it is

And Obscurus just sounds cool

[crude cape]

i mean skins let you reskin them to look like any of the others

[flat shadow]

I like the weird slicing pattern actually

[crude cape]

and the deimos pointy tip is my fave 😛

looks cool

penis sword ftw

[steel flame]

That's a good way to have fun and "fun" sounds an awful lot like "heresy"

[crude cape]

also, it just feels like it makes it better at poking.
I don't have proof, but when i turn my deimos into the 'normal' blade it feels like it hits less.
Gotta have the pointy tip on deimos man

this is conspiracy 101 baby, the right skin = more dmg everyone knows it

those mutant pokes don't one shot if you don't have the pointy tip

anyone who denies this is obviously compromised and in on it

[flat shadow]

You can reskin the swords?

[crude cape]

lol ya all items have cosmetics

[flat shadow]

I had no idea force swords had cosmetics

Thought it was just the normal looking stuff

How do you put fire wastes on a turtovsky

[minor verge]

sadly there isnt a deimos skin, you can only put obscurus skin on deimos or illisi

would love deimos look on illisi

[flat shadow]

I like the broadsword look of the Obscurus though

I used to use illisi but

It was too easy

[minor verge]

big fin sword cleavin through hoards

still don have slaughterer 4 tho, i hope sire melk blesses me with the shop reset

[crude cape]

i want buffs for duelist swords

i want them to be worth using over force

but idk if its possible

might just have to accept balance will not be achieved, and i just have to use weapons i like even if they're worse

[flat shadow]

I hardly pay attention to blessings

Maybe I should

[crude cape]

lmao

100%

huge difference

[flat shadow]

I only look at the tier

[crude cape]

the right blessings can make an item 2-3x more powerful

the right blessing > tier, usually

[minor verge]

slaughterer is your go to for anything, the second one can vary on your playstyle

some like deflector cause blocking bullets is nice

[crude cape]

correct

[harsh urchin]

yeah the reasons weapons are meta right now is literally : Does it have slaught/headtaker/pinningfire?

[crude cape]

slaughterer + deflecter, unstable power, or on the deimos uncanny strike

[flat shadow]

I think I have like tier 4 precognition and unstable power 3

On my Obscurus

[minor verge]

i have uncanny strike on my deimos cause after 1 charged hit my armor pen is at 80 % then one light hit and the strong 2nd heavy now has 100% armor pen, this combo can almost kill a crusher on damnation

he has like 120 hp left or so

[crude cape]

yep the special ticks up uncanny multiple times

so you can special->light poke->heavy poke

[minor verge]

although uncanny doesnt boost the ticks

sadly

[crude cape]

and it kills a crusher

[minor verge]

but the hits afterwards

its a damn strong sword, and for me it feels better than illisi

[crude cape]

depends what you're using each for

but ya its fun

mastering the poke combo is fun to use and pull off

and 1 shotting a mutant with it is

[acoustic osprey]

Shredder pistol for mutants

[minor verge]

i use purg staff for cc and my deimos for strong enemies, buddy of mine goes surge for strong enemies but illisi as cc, whatever you prefer somehow it works

[normal sequoia]

Psykerbros, been running Antax with BM as my main melee for quite a while, but been thinking about switching it up.

Which force sword would you pair with a Purgatus staff? Illisi? or Deimos?

[crude cape]

deimos for purg

[minor verge]

for me personally deimos, purgatus has good enough cc already so deimos can compliment you on killing elites, but its also fun to slice through the burning hoards with illisi

[crude cape]

learn the poke combo we were just discussing

[normal sequoia]

Oh yeah just noticed you guys were literally talking about the same combo, my bad haha

[crude cape]

purg good horde clear, deimos good elite/single target (still does fine against hordes, but illy is the 'horde clear' force sword)

anyone have the video link

of the guy poking stuff with the deimos

[normal sequoia]

Yeah I been leaning towards Deimos as well, from all the stuff I been reading about it.

So far I been always relying on Antax which had a decent cleave and could even stagger Crushers with headshot heavies.... so it sounds like Deimos could be even more deadlier than that

I am guessing blessings would be the usual unstable power/slaughterer?

[echo turtle]

uncanny doesn’t increase the charge attack damage

[minor verge]

with deimos i'd go slaughterer/uncanny strike

[echo turtle]

Uncanny does very little so, I don’t see what the fuss it about

[minor verge]

while true that it doesnt increase charge attack damages the charge attack builds up stacks

[echo turtle]

so?

[minor verge]

2nd heavy goes from 631 to ~970 at full stacks

[crude cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Ggn55j30A&ab_channel=RykenXIV

[echo turtle]

How much extra would your charge attack had done if you had unstable instead?

[crude cape]

its mostly from this guys video

[vestal raven]

how goes uncanny do very little, T4 max stacks you are ignoring all armor

[echo turtle]

You already ignore armor

[crude cape]

but its not "needed"

[echo turtle]

so

[crude cape]

you could run deflector or unstable pwoer and be fine

[echo turtle]

unstable powrr will give you more damage

[vestal raven]

with what

[minor verge]

charged prob

[echo turtle]

Charge attacks, and 65% from heavies

unstable gives mroe damage as you get it in the charge attack, and you don’t just lose all the bonus if you miss a weakspot

Go try it out, You’ll see

when the damages are similair, the bonus you always have is better than the bonus you sometimes have

uncanny gives very situational bonus’s and don’t let you “one hit” anything as there is 0 bonus to your first hit

including the charhe attack, which has 100% armor pen already

[formal ridge]

its so interesting seeing people's build/loadout videos recommendations and then comparing that to my own experiences which are sometimes different; makes me rethink things but at the same time question recommendations

[echo turtle]

Test it out yourself

[minor verge]

well the description might be wrong but in the german version unstable power says something of giving +5% power depending on peril which sounds awfully low in comparison to slaughterer making it go from 75% to 80%, not sure if its a translational error

[formal ridge]

unstable power gives 25% power bonus at 100% peril

[echo turtle]

What you’re saying is you don’t know how the blessingg works

[formal ridge]

its 5 percent per "level" of peril which is 20/40/60/80

@minor verge this game sucks with tooltips it makes people argue about htings pointlessly because the game devs were lazy

[echo turtle]

It’s not clear. At aaaaaall. Thankfully you can at@least see the buffs without a mod now.

Unstable is tied for second best Blessing. IMO it is on par with deflector. Due to how OP slaughterer is either imo are great choices

I have an unstable/slaughterer illisi, it is disgusting

[formal ridge]

as truly fun as Sword 1 is... I could NOT clutch an assassination end boss wipe with it... so Im going back to sword 2

[echo turtle]

sword 2 is 10x better

you wanna see some fuckery, take that with a wildfire build

[formal ridge]

I hear you but better is just a word

I play for fun but it sucks to lose

if my gear cant minimum clutch then either its my skill or gear

so I swap one or get better

[echo turtle]

Crit builds suck on force swords

[formal ridge]

suck is just a word again

crit on force swords is VIABLE by FAR

[echo turtle]

Words are just words

[formal ridge]

crit on force sword is ten times better than a dueling sword or devils claw

[echo turtle]

I could do the math for you

but I wont

[formal ridge]

if you didnt do the math then I just tak emy own opinion still

the damage charts show very high crit damage

[echo turtle]

You can figure it out for yourself, I already gave you the answer

[formal ridge]

its like +100-150 damage off crit

and the hyou can crit weakspot

not really

Im saying based on my testing/experience in game

you are saying based on "not doing the math"

[echo turtle]

Like I said, you can do the math.

[formal ridge]

it is what it is

you wont do the math, I wont do the math, im going with sword 2 regardless

unless my team is COMPETENT

[echo turtle]

I told you sword 2 is better

[formal ridge]

lol

better for what

[echo turtle]

that was the first thing I said

doing damage

[formal ridge]

I say sword 2 is better for hoard clear

and clutch

sword 1 is BETTER for fun

[acoustic osprey]

Nerd fight!

[crude cape]

anyone got the meme video of the guy poking mutants with the deimos?

[formal ridge]

so sword 1 is better AND sword 2 is better

[crude cape]

i cant find it

[formal ridge]

honestly I look at slaughter as basically THE blessing you have to have

so any time not using it, there has to be a reason other than winning

[echo turtle]

I’ve had my fill of correcting people on the mechanics

[formal ridge]

so all melee is basically, "you get 1 blessing"

you can play aroudn with 1 blessing/perk

otherwise its slaugtherer+ what you want to try

[echo turtle]

Buddy probably doesn’t even know what the crit multiplier is on the charges attcks. (it’s not the same as the light and heavies)

[formal ridge]

You dont have to try to insult me

just do it to my face lol

I dont care

if you are right, you are right

Im not going to even argue that sword 1 does more damage

I don't believe it does

but it absolutely crits more

crits make a cool sound

crits feel cool

[formal ridge]

flak body crit on illisi does roughly +220 damage (charged or uncharged)

[lilac tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUkBoKxY10 this one?

[formal ridge]

roughly +50% damage

150% damage on crit basically

if you want the "multiplier"

[harsh urchin]

funny thing is that they're going to nerf slaught

and then all y'all nerds gonna cry about it

on reddit

[minor verge]

well as i just learned i can just switch it out for the other fkin thing whatever it was called

the uh

thing with peril

my name joe biden

[formal ridge]

I dont think so though, I think its intentionally really strong

[harsh urchin]

well yeah I think it's intentionally very strong as well

[formal ridge]

it rewards melee combat, but they might nerf it when combined with Soulblaze

but if they nerf that interaction, they would have to nerf veteran weapons

[harsh urchin]

but numerically it's overshadowing other options

most other options are 20-30% extra power

[formal ridge]

I just dont see psyker stuff getting nerfed when other classes can outdamage them

[harsh urchin]

um

slaught can roll on other weapons as well

[formal ridge]

the pining firecombo yes maybe

[harsh urchin]

did you know that vet powersword and zealot thammer are all slaughterer abusers as well

[formal ridge]

well what do they decide to nerf and not nerf? whats the criteria

[harsh urchin]

oh and ogryn bull butcher is also slaught

[formal ridge]

yes my veteran is level 800+

[harsh urchin]

the criteria is that it is out of line compared to other options in the game

75% is just much more than most other things

[formal ridge]

yeah but it's just a number

how it affects damage output compared to other weapons would be my idea of a framework for nerfing

[harsh urchin]

the length of your 🍆 is also just a number, but that number is massively important

[formal ridge]

damage output is basically kills/level clear

[cyan notch]

idk its been like 6 months they havent touched slaughterer

[formal ridge]

yeah

[formal ridge]

unblocked

[cyan portal]

slaughterer is 1.75x damage, pinning fire is 2x damage, etc. a blessing that makes a weapon twice as effective is just bonkers. I'm expecting they'll nerf all the power blessings pretty hard eventually.

[crude cape]

TY!

[formal ridge]

if they nerf bolter at the same time itd be good (pinning fire/blaze away bolter)

people are already mad that the current hard difficulties are too easy

itd be easier to nerf weapons than to keep increasing difficulties

[cyan portal]

Pretty much every 'meta' weapon is just a good move set with access to a top tier power blessing.

[harsh urchin]

yep

carried by blessings

whether its slaught, pf, bm

[formal ridge]

back to my point about crit is that you can't indefinitely use charged attacks unless you have exorcism

[cyan portal]

I think even if they just cut them all in half they'll still be the desired blessings, but just not such a step above everything else.

[formal ridge]

so 2 attacks have to be non-charged at max peril

so what do you do about the non-charged attacks... make them crit? just not attack (defense)?

its heavy charged>2 non charged; before you can charge again because of peril decay; slaughterer obviously

it doesnt even really matter because half the time killing the hoard isnt the problem its everything behind the hoard (the shooters/flamers/trappers/dogs/etc)

[cyan portal]

who are you arguing with?

[formal ridge]

I failed to clutch a run and Im trying to figure out what I could have done differently

assassination, team wiped, hoard coming at me, boss shooting, specials coming

[cyan portal]

not died? used purgatus to solve everything? used deflector to block boss shots?

[formal ridge]

oh wow deflector works?

well Im trying to get deflector 4... I guess thats still my goal

and on assassination ill swap to a deflector/deimos or something

with unyielding perk

[cyan portal]

assassin boss is flak

[formal ridge]

oh wtf?

i need to fight him in psykanium right now then

[vale viper]

Whats the Ideal Talent build for Surge staff?

[restive slate]

A general one that works for me is 323113

[burnt maple]

any rank of deflector is fine, all the higher ranks do is reduce the cost of block and it's not a noticeable amount

[vale viper]

Obvious top to bottom is 123 right?

[restive slate]

Though, considering how reliable surge staff is, not much is gonna affect it except the reduced peril buildup with warp charges

[restive slate]

Aye

[vale viper]

I am seeing alot of 113 on Gameslantern

on the ladder half.

[restive slate]

Tbh I stopped visiting Gameslantern a long time ago haha

[vale viper]

I dabble when im clueless where to start.

[restive slate]

Ultimately play what you find fun first then experiment with builds

I'm actually running a slightly different build because I wanted to fool around a lil

[burnt maple]

also if you're gonna use a Surge Staff, your team will appreciate you not lightninging a Pox Burster

[north solstice]

worth grabbing?

or dmg stat too low?

[acoustic osprey]

i'd get it just to add the t4

you could slap the quell peril on and use it too until you find a better stat distribution staff too

[steel flame]

Well that is if you don't actually go for the kill on it. Pushing it around with surge is a good way for it to get lost in a scuffle to blow up on someone else's face. Long as you wait for a leap before zapping it, everything is just fine