psyker-class

[cyan notch]

cuz that requires sprint

[ember hornet]

right

[cyan notch]

and they said fuck u no sprint

[wet belfry]

Its annoying also because lets say you were sprinting and try to shoot. There is now a massive delay between the character stopping to sprint and shoot.

On the ripper gun i believe it was like 0.5s?

[olive ember]

what do you think I was crying about psykers getting fucked for two days

bruh

also you technically can still BB slide

you just can't start the cast until you let go of the sprint key

so you can do it in the slide part of the BB

so for a full half a second headstart basically

[ember hornet]

pointless fix

I guess a system they intended to be working was broken

but if the system sucks...

[compact cargo]

Confirmed by catfish to have a fix coming down the line.

It also fucked pistols

[light quail]

welp
there goes my reason to play tonight

[compact cargo]

It's good practice to tech speed tho

Since you are forced to slide dash/slide

[jagged badger]

For what it's worth I am sorry. I am mad at FS but it is what it is.

[cyan notch]

got a link?

[compact cargo]

#general-chat message

[olive ember]

Poggers

fucking general chat tho

[frank hazel]

Dude he looks sick

[raven gate]

what u got against general chat? i mean we as psyker mains are obviously superior in every way but besides that

[supple sable]

Cheers!

[cyan notch]

ur a redditor its basically the same thing

[olive ember]

ngl

I'm looking at general chat

and I actually agree yea

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-gif-20009253

[raven gate]

dude that gif is nauseating pls delete it

[nova dirge]

blessed by fate is such a silly penance

[steel flame]

god im SO ANNOYIED

ascendent blaze works just fine in the psykhanium. but refuses to give warp charges in actual missions -_-

[raven gate]

are u using surge staff?

[steel flame]

blazing spirit trauma staff

[raven gate]

hmm. never tested it fully, but maybe they have to die to the soul blaze dmg. or maybe fatshark broke something again

[steel flame]

in other news

i hate that new map refuses to spawn with any mutators

[raven gate]

i hate when the new map refuses to stop spawning

[steel flame]

ha

[raven gate]

theres a bug where hordes just dont stop coming

[steel flame]

bored with it already?

oh that sounds like fun

i could start a fire that never stops

[raven gate]

it kind of is. but also kinda not. and really annoying when ur down a teammate

thats an interesting idea

[steel flame]

what part of the map is it happening on?

i mean its only really gonna be fun for psyker who doesnt have ammo

for most builds anyways

[raven gate]

its only happened to me 3 times
but i think it triggers in those "box sections" u know with all the doors that randomly close to make a path for u

i think thats when it happens, the game never gets the signal to stop spawning enemies

[calm island]

What do you guys generally go for with curios?

[raven gate]

i like 2 toughness and 1 hp curio, mostly due to grim corruption

but if i never played grims id run all toughness

[serene breach]

is recon lasgun good for psyker range other then shredder?

[nova dirge]

idk i didnt realise i could have 3 curios until like, an hour ago

[steel flame]

i run 2 hp and a wound. get more value of having more of a resource i cant regen since i play every aggressive

[nova dirge]

ikr

[calm island]

I mean, I think even maxed toughness would evaporate in 2 seconds on damnation when being shot

[nova dirge]

i was just running around with 1 curio

[calm island]

atm im running also 2hp and 1wnd

[raven gate]

recon lasgun is not good at all. especially on the psyker who doesnt regen ammo, and double especially compared ot the shredder

[calm island]

I was considering using more stam since the hp gain isnt that significant on psyker and perma evading things

[raven gate]

well the general idea is -> toughness strong vs range attacks
hp -> better vs melee. But i can regen so much toughness with the illisi sword that I prefer it all around

besides, u only take chip dmg if ur toughness is low enough. so theoretically. the more toughness u have. the less likely you will be to take hp dmg

[harsh urchin]

a lot of attacks have extra multiplier against toughness

snipers have 10x multi against toughness and certain shooters have 4x

so they'll break your toughness in one volley regardless of your curios

[raven gate]

thats only if ur close. ive noticed that with some distance. the same single shooter wont take all ur toughness in one volley

[harsh urchin]

uh no thats not how it works lol

it's different types of shooters

[raven gate]

well its just what ive observed. it could just be they are missing part of their shots

[harsh urchin]

2 of them have higher base damage and no multiplier

and 1 of them have slightly lower base damage and multiplier

[cyan notch]

range is a factor yes

close up u get take bullets like butter

[mental rock]

Yeah there is damage falloff with ranged

Different enemies may have different falloff stats though

Regular falloff starts at 15 meters, but other enemies like the scab stalker start earlier at 7 meters

[raven gate]

i like to think of an all toughness build as the equivalent of natural bond in vermintide.
If you are only taking small amounts of damage at a time. You will potentially never need healing

[tropic vigil]

Do psykers actually run toughness over Hp? I can't imagine it's as useful as HP.

[steel flame]

stamina also affects your kinetic deflection efficiency. the more stamina you have the less peril you generate from blocking attacks

[tropic vigil]

I run hp, Stam, wounds.

[mental rock]

I run hp hp stam

[harsh urchin]

i do hp hp stam

[tropic vigil]

I put 5% hp on my other curios so I don't have to double down on hp. I can max at 205

[nova dirge]

whats the best force sword?

[raven gate]

sure, but the only thing that can really do enough dmg to break my deflector is a gunner. and since we have infinite dodge, thats not rlly an issue anyway. I also take one block reduction

[steel flame]

instead of running toughness on any of my curios i put 30% toughness regen on all curis

[tropic vigil]

Depends on preference but not obscurus

[calm island]

toughness regen is pretty much a must have for everyone though, isnt it

[steel flame]

pretty much

[tropic vigil]

Illisis good for hordes deimos good at poking single targets

[steel flame]

diemos isnt bad at hordes either

[nova dirge]

damn

[steel flame]

its lights with slaughter can clean up hordes admirably

[nova dirge]

think i'll stick with the illisi because i can spam the charge and gain peril really fast

[tropic vigil]

Yea. It's not bad for hordes by any means. Though illisi just happens to do it a little better cuz you can spam charge and don't get animation locked.

Animation lock so lame on deimos

[steel flame]

dont even need special on deimos

what you actually do to one shot everything is use l1h2

[nova dirge]

so true

its got a cooler animation tho

[steel flame]

or just whiff l1 so you can oneshot with h2

[harsh urchin]

ya deimos oneshots everything without special anyways

[steel flame]

it oneshots every special in the game with some slaughterer stacks

or unstable

[tropic vigil]

Haven't gotten lucky enough for slaughterer iv on deimos unfortunately

Hopefully obscurus gets some buffs soon or reworked for a usable niche.

Some kind of shockwave sword would be cool

[raven gate]

i want a sword that shoots swords that shoot more swords

[frozen osprey]

i was literally about the say it would be cool if the special acted like a blast

[harsh urchin]

I may be wrong but the force swords share blessings

Iirc

So if you have it on anything else

[tropic vigil]

Oh do they? Noted.

I'll have a look qhen I get home

[cyan notch]

yea its shared

[tropic vigil]

Shockwave blast is one of the few specials I can think of swords. It's difficult to think of something that's reasonable/balanced while being more unique than just increased damage and what already exists already

[broken carbon]

VAGINALLY

LMFAO

[broken carbon]

im hoping they make it like the ironhelm thunderhammer, where it can pierce through some light enemies to hit a special/elite

[tropic vigil]

Oops

Damn autocorrect

[harsh urchin]

Auto correct uses past history

So you must have typed that before in the past

[smoky wigeon]

Are there new cosmetics to the store?

[harsh urchin]

[obtuse moth]

Depends on the software and settings you're using

Mine doesn't use past history at all, and a lot use crowd sourced dictionaries

[compact cargo]

[harsh urchin]

I personally don't care about my privacy and shit

so I let companies have all my data

[split oxide]

Waiting till "data you care about" means the mechanisms of control have been eroded. It's not just the data they steal, it's the normalization that's also dangerous.

You can't wait till your divorce, for you to suddenly care about spending quality time.

[compact cargo]

That suspicious ogryn pants game you bought? Now the algorythm knows about it and whenever you invite people over, adds about dlc for said game will appear

so cinema night becomes lol that add night with the bois

[split oxide]

Nope, but your posts, the face you browsed bit-tiddy waifus and genshinimpact on the browse habits, your IP and email/CreditCard name that associates to your linkedin profile.

[north cradle]

I rub my balls on the phone microphone and yell at my FBI agent asking if he likes it

[echo turtle]

Hey fam, someone on reddit is adamant an illisi doesnt one shot a mutie

i cant remember but one of you posted a video of doing it yesterd

are you online? You beast

@spice veldt It was you right?

[raven gate]

illisi definitely doesnt one shot mutie at least by default
maybe if u get slaughterer stacks or something

[echo turtle]

it can, which is what I am telling people

with buffs

[harsh urchin]

iirc you need both slaughterer stacked as well as unstable stacked right?

you can't use deflection in that case

[safe crystal]

Nah, it doesnt even need that much. You can one shot headshot with 4 warp charges, T4 maniacs, 5 stacks of T4 slaughterer, or you can change some parts of this with unstable + WU

[tender terrace]

oh ok that's all?

does the earth, jupiter, and saturn need to be aligned too?

[safe crystal]

I'd say T4 maniacs and max slaughterer is very easy,yes

[rigid sky]

Holy crap, the voidstrike is crazy good

[harsh urchin]

first time i've seen someone say that in a while

heh

[rigid sky]

Idk if it's actually really good or not but I've just finally got a decent-ish one and if you shore up its weaknesses with the rapid fire BB and a deimos it covers the horde and shooter clear so well

[tender terrace]

i wish this was true, it would stop correcting me with "duck" or "ducking," if it was

[olive ember]

pretty sure it doesn't, its the deimos that one shots

one the illisi is infamous for is that it can one shot a reaper

[echo turtle]

it does, arcos did it himself

[olive ember]

I am almost certain he was referring to a reaper

[safe crystal]

My 80/79 Illisi leaves a mutant alive with 54 hp on a headshot if i dont have WU or unstable, if i have max slaughterer

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then again illisi is a broke piece of shit so

guess we can just wait for arcotash to wake up

[maiden wolf]

🤔

(One of the new cosmetics is the same one from the first batch.)

[echo turtle]

maybe it doesn’t whatever

I thought it did

[safe crystal]

I'd get you a video of it one shotting

But

Im playing Core Keeper and cba to close it and start Darktide

[olive ember]

kek

It probably oneshots thinking on it

prob same situation as reaper one shots tho

the funny

max peril max slaughterer etc. etc.

[safe crystal]

Use the breakpoint calc, its easy to check there

[lunar hollow]

u get 5 stacks of slaughterer on anything and weird shit starts happening

[safe crystal]

If the Illisi breaks below 18%, it oneshots

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[ember hornet]

illisi needs elite and unyielding to one shot reapers

[olive ember]

Ik the obscures can one shot crushers with its special

and by extension the deimos

[ember hornet]

I do 3518 with max stacks of t4 slaughterer, t4 unstable, warp unleashed, and warp battery

and unyielding

[olive ember]

This is why they need to buff psword

[white cedar]

Emperor hate Autopistol 😂

[olive ember]

its needs to be stronk

7 swings per charge

[lunar hollow]

u gotta have a lot of setup for it though

iirc

[olive ember]

pretty much the same BS

[lunar hollow]

i figured out how to do it with some testing on my obscurus

[olive ember]

max slaughterer stacks + carapace

I forgot if I could one shot without warp unleashed

[lunar hollow]

i dont think u need carapace

[lucid terrace]

When is two-handed force sword coming? Tomorrow?
Please say tomorrow

[safe crystal]

Next week

[granite mauve]

never

[olive ember]

next year

[lucid terrace]

God dammit

None of those answers relate to tomorrow

[lunar hollow]

i think i did it with battery + unstable + slaught + warp unleashed

[granite mauve]

fatshark told me they will add it but just for me

[ember hornet]

Not tomorrow

[lucid terrace]

This is my Hell

No force greatsword...

No nothing...

[olive ember]

I don't think you need battery

but at this point my memory is fuzzy

[lunar hollow]

u dont need carapce

tbf i run battery on everything

cuz ynot

[olive ember]

eh Kinetic barrage

means I don't need to think about stacks

and free damage sometimes

[lunar hollow]

i normally dont BB too much unless its a bunch of gunners

[olive ember]

sorry not kinetic barage

kinetic flayer*

[lunar hollow]

o

yea no i dont really run that

[olive ember]

its pretty much what I run unless I'm using purge

i'm prob gonna swap off to warp battery for trauma tho

[lunar hollow]

i dont really like psykinetic aura

[olive ember]

idk still playin around with trauma

[lunar hollow]

so i dont have an issue with warp charges

[olive ember]

ah yeah

I use aura as a default

tbf I use barrage on most of my builds

but I run the communion + warp battery AB build for purge

[lunar hollow]

k u dont need battery

or carapace

looks like you need 4 warp charges if u have unstable 3

but i think with unstable 4 you can get away with 3 charges for a crusher 1 shot

[safe crystal]

I wonder how many still have their old Obscurus swords before Illisi and Deimos showed up

[lunar hollow]

i do

cuz i can't take slaught 4 off it

[safe crystal]

I do as well

[lunar hollow]

since i rerolled a blessing

[safe crystal]

I rolled a perfect Illisi on my first try, so im keeping it as a memento of dark times

It was back when i thought unstable was a shitty 5% power, and ran it with uncanny slaughterer

[olive ember]

I mean

Uncanny slaughterer is BiS tho

[harsh urchin]

dunno i think it's prob personal pref

deflector is pretty nice

as is unstable if you like it

[spice veldt]

it wasn't me if it was on reddit, but I do have my own clips of one-shotting mutants; here's one of them https://streamable.com/3zipfa

[compact cargo]

I can't wait to be fired for my blatant hate for doves

[spice veldt]

the mutant technically gets dinked by the ogryn, but I had 5 slaughterer stacks and was at near 100% peril which is enough for me to one-shot a mutant with a special-heavy headshot anyways

which I'm too lazy to show in the meatgrinder

if you don't hit the head and you have some slaughterer stacks, it's a two-shot anyways, which is about 2.6 seconds with two heavy-specials

here's an example of an almost two-shot without any warp charges with a t3 unstable power illisi https://streamable.com/2v2ddb

with the mutant having 64 hp left over

[echo turtle]

got any of just a clean one shot in the meat grinder?

[spice veldt]

so a special-heavy headshot basically guarantees a twoshot if you have any semblance of buffs

ye i'll do that

[olive ember]

I mean yeah

A mutant dies in like two or three heavy swings from the obscures as well

[echo turtle]

you’re a legend

[spice veldt]

here's a one-shot at 22 peril, 1 warp charge, and 5 slaughterer stacks https://streamable.com/387261

and here's an example of what happens if I am at 22 peril and 5 slaughterer stacks but don't have a warp charge https://streamable.com/jjysbn

so if I have either higher peril or at least one warp charge, I have a guaranteed one-shot on mutants

and that's with t3 unstable power and some missing damage on my illisi

[ruby berry]

Asking randos to help with Malleus Monstratum and Just a Flesh Wound keeps resulting in Ls. Why did they have to be made private

[pallid smelt]

i hope they just nerf power attacks and leave the light chain in the illisi alone

[olive ember]

Eh

Illisi is kind of weird

its an hsword

but with a psword special

[olive ember]

something something you most likely had to private anyways something something

idk tbh

[spice veldt]

well the hsword has better cleave on its lights

way better cleave

7.5 compared to illisi's 2 cleave

[olive ember]

yes

Basically illisi needs worse special clear

Deimos needs worse horde clear

[spice veldt]

what the force swords do have are an insanely high weakspot multiplier

[olive ember]

And obscures needs buffs all around

[spice veldt]

and a fast attack speed that translates into a lot of kills

[pallid smelt]

Shhh dont tell them

[olive ember]

They probably know one way or another

But who knows

But I think deimos special needs buff but horde clear needs to be worse

And then obscures should be like

Better

Like similar but worse horde clear imo than the illisi

But with a single target animation lock special

Idk

[spice veldt]

depends on what role they want each weapon to have

[split oxide]

I missed the conv on deimos.. it's terrible on hordecleaer isn't it?
attackpattern blows

[spice veldt]

since it's never going to happen if they want to let the cleave special be this good

[olive ember]

I mean obscures is supposed to be the all rounder but it sucks comparatively to the two broke ones

[spice veldt]

light-spam on force swords is pretty good

[olive ember]

It’s about as good as the obscures, the lmb spam is basically dueling sword horde clear

[spice veldt]

probably nerfing the base damage of the cleave special and bumping up its weakspot multiplier would help

they already have a mechanism for lowering the cleave effectiveness of a weapon in the form of the weakspot/crit system

[split oxide]

Wait .. I thought duelling was good hordecleaer

[spice veldt]

deimos is better than the obscurus because its lightspam will hit heads

obscurus has the shitty 2nd light

[split oxide]

erm .. oookay, but a needle is still a needly... stabby.
just as hordeclear as a knfe without the mobility

[spice veldt]

these are the numbers that I got with the illisi

but you can see the general idea of light-spam being pretty good

[olive ember]

Deimos has better horde clear than knife

Way better

[spice veldt]

the knife would only have better hordeclear if it had slaughterer and it could one-shot poxwalkers/groaners with each light

[split oxide]

It doesn't matter if LMBspam is a nuclear bomb.
The attack-pattern is poor against engaging 3 scabs bearing down on you.. and you need to spin around and catch the other one.

[spice veldt]

remember that force swords have access to slaughterer

scab what, bruisers?

[olive ember]

??? I guess we are playing different games I guess

[split oxide]

I'm tlking about attack-pattern.
relentless-relentless

obscurus and deimos throw in strikedown and vanguard

[spice veldt]

i mean it's a stab followed by 3 overhead diagonals

[olive ember]

The attack pattern is fine

The stab is so stupid you literally can stab into a horde and get multiple kills

[spice veldt]

overhead diagonals being one of the best movesets that you can get for a weapon with high weakspot and low cleave

[harsh urchin]

you can also ummm. not use lmb spam lol

[ember hornet]

is this a real argument

[spice veldt]

apparently yes

[harsh urchin]

light into heavy is two powerful stabs

baseline heavy is a fast slash

[split oxide]

The weakspot is for the Special attack.. which does guarentteed weakspot.. So when you charge it, the finesse too, increases chance of weakspot-register.

[spice veldt]

the deimos special doesn't have any weird mechanics like a guaranteed weakspot hit

[ember hornet]

tfw it's almost June and people still use knife

[spice veldt]

it just does higher base damage and has a lower weakspot multiplier

which you can observe by bodyshotting an enemy and weakspotting it

and I would know because I have 400 hours on the obscurus which has the exact same special as the deimos

[harsh urchin]

people can use whatever weapon they want man

[split oxide]

When you charge-attack, remember it sometimes locks onto the wrong target..
That's locking onto the weakspot.

[spice veldt]

I'm aware, but they shouldn't argue with straight up misinformation

[harsh urchin]

correct

i'm more talking to the lazor guy who's gatekeeping weapon choice lmao

[ember hornet]

ok "people like this" still argue about knife

how bout that

I hope you at least run uncanny

[spice veldt]

i strongly doubt that

[harsh urchin]

the "relentless, strikdown, etc" shit means nothing lol

[spice veldt]

i'm pretty sure the force swords just have movesets that are easy to hit heads with

[split oxide]

Totally disrgarding the numbers: attack pattern.. .
the relentless allows you to keep a horde at a bay.

[harsh urchin]

you just gotta go into meatgrinder and test or look at the numbers

[spice veldt]

I'm hitting heads with the normal attacks of force swords anyways

the obscurus didn't have any difference between the normals and special attacks with regards to headshots

[harsh urchin]

yes and you can also keep a horde at bay with a weapon that does assassin or strikedowns

[spice veldt]

besides insane hitreg issues if the server decided that you already smacked an enemy and ended your swing early

[split oxide]

Relentless: horizontal swing.
Vanguard: diagonal.
StrikeDown: Strike Down. or stabby

[spice veldt]

those descriptions are just vague descriptions by fatshark that doesn't necessarily indicate its properties

[harsh urchin]

yes, but the actual effectiveness of the attack, in terms of against enemy types and cleave and shit

is not communicated by that

[spice veldt]

deimos' h1 is categorized as a "strikedown" despite being a 6 cleave sweep

[harsh urchin]

+1

[steel flame]

I will not have you slander the knife you heretic. It has the best movement in the entire game

[spice veldt]

duelling swords

[steel flame]

Not even close to the knife

[split oxide]

again . not talking about numbers..
a nuclear lance that misses means nothing on a 150HP glass cannon getting hit by a scab with a club

[spice veldt]

oh i guess i forgot about sprint speed

[steel flame]

Heavy dash is so stupid good on knife it puts d sword to shame

[wet belfry]

I honestly do not belive it is possible to nerf the deimos without gutting it in multiple areas.

[harsh urchin]

well the numbers matter a ton lmao

[spice veldt]

we have infinite dodges

[harsh urchin]

that's why a weapon like deimos despite supposedly being a single target weapon

utterly destroys hordes

[spice veldt]

also, the deimos in particular has a higher dodge distance than the other force swords

[harsh urchin]

because the numbers are statted like that

[spice veldt]

so it is the worse force sword to argue with if you're going to talk about being hit

[olive ember]

How are you missing with melee that’s like

That’s something

[spice veldt]

also, the combo chain is straight up stabs or overhead diagonals

which are extremely hard to miss

it's not like they're weird uppercuts like the obscurus' 2nd light

or have some disjointed animation away from your crosshair or have uppercuts like illisi's two last lights

[olive ember]

I mean it wasn’t even hard to miss the obscures just that uppercut meant it hit the leg and did no damage

[split oxide]

faster movement, further dodges.. okay..
if I swing, will it hit 3 scabs simultaneously.
or do they have to be lined up like a pool table.

[harsh urchin]

yes

[spice veldt]

with the h1

[harsh urchin]

if you use the weapon properly

[spice veldt]

like I said, the h1 has 6 cleave

[harsh urchin]

if you lmb spam

you will die

[spice veldt]

you can also just spam dodges

[harsh urchin]

yes arco is right

dodging and blocking are vital

to playing darktide

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/dfg8rx

look at that highly skilled gameplay of spamming sideways dodges

notice how I don't get hit at all

and that's with the illisi

I really don't understand how you're getting hit

[olive ember]

Yooo was that a fucking accel halfway through the clip

What high skill gameplay

[ember hornet]

dude a nuclear lance doesn't matter if you are gonna get hit by all the clubs

[split oxide]

I have no problems with Illisi.. we're talking about your assertion that deimos can hit the same number

[spice veldt]

the fuck

I never asserted that the deimos has an equivalent hordeclear to the illisi

[split oxide]

exactly

[safe crystal]

I thought this was between the knife and Deimos

[olive ember]

It is

[split oxide]

oh

[olive ember]

Idk wtf either person is in about

[harsh urchin]

yeah illisi has much better hordeclear

[spice veldt]

my only assertion is that deimos' lightspam is good

not that it was comparable to heavy-special spam from the illisi

[harsh urchin]

but deimos hordeclear is much better than you make it sound

[olive ember]

So why did you pull up illisi gameplay

[ember hornet]

they were showing that inferior illisi dodge doesn't get hit in melee

[olive ember]

Oh

[spice veldt]

cuz I only use the illisi

deimos has better dodges and I'm not getting hit with the shitty illisi dodges

that's the point of the demo

[split oxide]

my bad then - lemme scroll back

[spice veldt]

and here's the numbers that I got for illisi's lightspam

those are numbers for illisi's lights, but you'll see that it's fairly comparable to going through illisi's heavy chain

it's not like the deimos' light combo has significantly different stats

[split oxide]

This comment #1

[olive ember]

Deimos horde clear is too good it’s special isn’t good enough??

[split oxide]

and this comment #2

[tender terrace]

yo only get one swing powered with illis?

[olive ember]

Yes

[tender terrace]

oh fuck that then

not even gonna buy one

[spice veldt]

5 dollars per powered swing

[olive ember]

Literally the most broke melee in the game but yeah

2nd most broke melee is like the deimos

[tender terrace]

yeah sure if you want to constantly watch your char masturbate your sword i guess

not gonna relive my post nerf power sword days

no recycler bs

[split oxide]

See here's where you lose me.
How in any scearnio is Deimos and hordeclear in the same sentence.

[tender terrace]

depends on the mobs really

[olive ember]

Because the deimos has good horde clear?

[tender terrace]

infested? meh

but flak mobs? demios does real well lopping heads

[spice veldt]

they removed the infested penalty from force sword stabs

[split oxide]

So this is where I got this assertion from.

[tender terrace]

i'll usually blast with staff to light all the lil shits on fire then swap to sword and pop some flak heads

[olive ember]

It’s not stupid hordeclear like the BM antax and the illisi but it’s literally like

Psykers 3rd best hordeclear option

The deimos

[safe crystal]

Here you go, chief. This is the part where you lost everyone. Deimos H1 has 6 base cleave, light spam when slaughterer is up is way faster than anything you can do with knife. Its decent clear, but not the best

[wet belfry]

not sure actually if i would define bm antax as horde clear.

[olive ember]

It is

[wet belfry]

Its good at controlling but its damage rate isnt superb

[tender terrace]

wat

[wet belfry]

There are better weapons on each class for horde clear.

[viral solstice]

[tender terrace]

i mean the real problem with the entire discussion is literally who gives a fuck about horde clear and why would you ever prioritize it

hordes are annoying and potentially dangerous but only if there is a mixture of other shit in it

[split oxide]

If you have 4 stacked like a human-centipede.
but when they all rush up on you, you need .. I'll tell you .. lets see a video on you taking on a horde with a deimos.

[olive ember]

???

literally every meta melee weapon focuses on hordeclear

besides like maybe the fucking thammer

bull butcher, illisi, hsword, antax, rashad, psword

well the thammer isn't meta actually, just rly popular

[safe crystal]

Man, i dont really feel like launching Darktide, can you do it for me Derpy?

[viral solstice]

[split oxide]

but not deimos.

[olive ember]

deimos has good hordeclear?????

its like

bruh

[split oxide]

wtf is that bruh supposed to mean

[viral solstice]

this godroll kills 20 poxwalkers in 8 seconds

thats uh

pretty good

[ember hornet]

unfair test, you have groaners

not realistic

smh

misleading

[viral solstice]

do u know what % of weapons

[split oxide]

Yeah antax is good

[viral solstice]

kill 20 poxwalkers in 8 seconds

[ember hornet]

very few

[viral solstice]

and have acceptable hitboxes to do it with

[brisk kelp]

Actual godroll though, that's unachievable for most players

[wet belfry]

I can unironically belive that a limbsplitter antax axe would kill faster then an headtaker depending on the type of test and how it was executed.

[viral solstice]

thats very very good

im not using limbsplitter

i left click spammed

[olive ember]

The deimos horde clear literally competes with the duelling sword, the obscures, teh chainsword, etc. etc. etc. its only beaten by the dedicated horde clear weapons like BM Caxes and the fucking illisi

[tender terrace]

must be a me thing, i don't think about horde clear lmao, but i guess you're right about melee weapons and their purpose

[ember hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[spice veldt]

deimos lightspam kills 20 poxwalkers in 8.2 seconds

[viral solstice]

[wet belfry]

quick swaps baby

[viral solstice]

yeah i wasnt even quickswapping

that was just me drooling on the keyboard

[ember hornet]

what qq L1 spam?

[viral solstice]

bm antax is not quite as top tier as pc power sword or heavy sword but its ahead of every single "normal" horde clear weapon

like compare it to a devil claw

people do not understand how bad cleave falloff is in this game

[wet belfry]

yes

[viral solstice]

and tac axe hitboxes make their own bm performance vastly worse

[wet belfry]

Hands may hurt

But it is worth it for the emperor

[viral solstice]

das fax

qq cancelling a 60% damage deimos with slaught 3 no peril or warp charges up killed 20 poxies in 9s earlier and they were spread out

[ember hornet]

I mean, headtaker is still 25% with no downside that you stack immediately

[viral solstice]

qq spam and camera whipping

is the real future

but yeah knife is nowhere near as good as deimos at horde clear

for so many reasons

including that thje only time u can hit more than 2 poxies is if they line up vertically

for a push attack

[ember hornet]

nah dude the bleed

[viral solstice]

no power blessings

[ember hornet]

20 dps to poxwalkers with max bleed stacks

[viral solstice]

etc etc

[ember hornet]

so good

[wet belfry]

Best bleed build is the ripper.

[split oxide]

Agreed, Illisi is better.

[wet belfry]

knife is a trap for bleed players.

[viral solstice]

best bleed build is the vet frag grenade

das fax

true fragstorm appreciators

[ember hornet]

true

[olive ember]

what?

[ember hornet]

bleed nates + bolter

[olive ember]

yeah no shit the illisi is the most broke weapon in the game

the deimos is like

the 2nd most broke weapon in teh game

[small whale]

thunderhammer is

[viral solstice]

oh god this dude on reddit

was trying to say that combat axe with bm was ok because "other weapons have better cleave falloff"

[small whale]

what kinda weapon one shots monstrosities

[viral solstice]

and he named tac axes, eviscerator, and the unpowered power swords

and its like

oh buddy

[ember hornet]

tbf thrust is bugged

I pinged catfish today

and she said fix incoming next hotfix

[lethal folio]

I hate this discourse on falloff/target caps

[viral solstice]

yeah

[split oxide]

eh, you can still get overwhelmed.. even from a frontal assault.

[lethal folio]

target caps are irrelevant.

the weapons are bad because they do bad damage

[viral solstice]

people just read the numbers

[lethal folio]

no amount of target cleave can fix that

[olive ember]

Eh i mean its not completely irrelevant

no one uses antax push attacks cuz of the target cap

[viral solstice]

target caps matter for loads of weapons tbf

[lethal folio]

'and it does less damage than the lights'

[ember hornet]

I mean see hammer for target cap and cleave damage curve issue

[viral solstice]

like evis

[tender terrace]

ok so all this talk about illis, with a purg staff, it still seems silly to run it over demios since you dont need to spam special for most targets except the ones that illis prob aint gonna handle well anyway

smacking a crusher with an illis vs headpop on demios??

[spice veldt]

well the discussion was with regards to hordeclear and not counting your choice of ranged weapon

[viral solstice]

but yea for axes and stuff

its like

[ember hornet]

tbh illisi handles everything

[viral solstice]

they should have shitty cleave

[lethal folio]

Hammer isn't bad because of the target cap, the damage is just low

[viral solstice]

but amazing target 1 2 3 damage

[spice veldt]

like if you bulldoze the conversation with purgatus, then of course hordeclear doesn't matter because purgatus

[lethal folio]

you need slaughterer just to start killing troops

[ember hornet]

regardless it will always do 0 cleave damage to armored targets

and 0 cleave damage to any target past 3

[viral solstice]

removing target cap on hammer would dramatically increase its damage output vs big hordes

beacuse its got a shitload of cleave

[split oxide]

yeah, crushers can be tough, especially when you see the wind up for the overhead.

• keep stamina in reserve for force-push to prone them

[lethal folio]

And target cap isn't causing that problem

[viral solstice]

like 80% more damage isn't nothing

i mean if u hit 10 more targets for damage

and that damage is 30

its decent

[tender terrace]

like am i supposed to gather that i should sell my demios and make an illis cause its just better or something or are they just "lol playstyle diffy"

[viral solstice]

tho i think hammer might be shittier

i dont think of it its the ogryn shovel

[olive ember]

Illisi is so broke you can run anything with it and just use the illisi and still be fine

[spice veldt]

no

[viral solstice]

that particularly is annoying

because the vet shovel

[spice veldt]

if you wish to have that extreme interpretation, you're welcome to do that though

[viral solstice]

doesnt have target caps but the og one does and its like

[lethal folio]

Power maul has 15 endless damage and no target cap

[olive ember]

thats what @ember hornet and @spice veldt do with the illsi, only illsii 80% of the damn game and yeah

[lethal folio]

that isn't good.

[olive ember]

i mean

[spice veldt]

I never said that illisi was better than the deimos or argued for that

[viral solstice]

[jolly bear]

We need force choke as an ability

[olive ember]

pmaul is like the 2nd best weapon on ogryn isn't it

kekw

[viral solstice]

i mean there might be other reasons

[spice veldt]

and I hope you realize that I was defending the deimos

[viral solstice]

wait u mean og one?

idk never used it

but its not as simple as

no target cap = good

its that lots of weapons

[lunar hollow]

it is one of the good melees

[vestal finch]

Illisi SUCKS!!!

[lunar hollow]

because the paul actually does damage to stuff

[vestal finch]

You can't 1 shot muties

[viral solstice]

with already not great damage have cleave caps on top

[olive ember]

both are fine just choose whichever one you like playing, just that objectively speaking the illisi is broke AF

[lunar hollow]

and u can spam special l1 to keep literally everything in place

its like a good surge staff

but melee

[tender terrace]

yeah all my homies hate illisi!!! team demios!!

[jolly bear]

Force choke
Poor damage but you can keep a specialist unit still in the air for 5 seconds

Allows time to close the distance or easily pick them off

[vestal finch]

illisi is the noob pick

the crutch pick

[split oxide]

what happend to dodging muties?
instead of maintaing 6 warpcharges for that special moment to oneshot

[spice veldt]

#psyker-class message

[jolly bear]

We need this as a psyker abilities

[viral solstice]

the other dumb thing about cleave target caps

is that they're invisible

[tender terrace]

i mean i kinda gave like a or b and you went with c somehow i guess

[viral solstice]

so ur hitting zombies so hard they go flying

but nvm he didn't get hurt

just feels fuckin dumb

especially with the shovel

its on an ogryn its a power weapon at that point

[vestal finch]

Cope. You need 5 slaughterer stacks. I do it with 0

[spice veldt]

you didn't condition the mutant one-shot on anything

who is to fault for your own imprecise wording

[vestal finch]

COPE!!!

oh my goodness!

[viral solstice]

i would be happier with the target caps if the game 1) communicated them better 2) had a cleave archetype for low targets damaged but very high 1 2 3 damage

[olive ember]

I mean you can try using the illisi, its basically a psword + hsword. So one charge swing into heavy spam until you get an opening and then charge another swing

[viral solstice]

like for axes

[spice veldt]

also, I'm not saying that the illisi is better than the deimos

[viral solstice]

but it dont

[olive ember]

(it is)

[spice veldt]

and I've been defending it (deimos) for a while here

[lunar hollow]

caxe would be cool if that was how its cleave worked

[vestal finch]

And nobody talks about the obscurus...

[viral solstice]

that is how i would do brutal momentum

[tender terrace]

i literally just want to use the most broken things in the game, whatever is best in the slot, so i guess its illisi is my ?

[lunar hollow]

and brutal momentum was like a stacking cleave headshot buff or smth

[vestal finch]

Truly driven to obscurity

[spice veldt]

I liked the obscurus pre-patch but it is straight up overshadowed

[viral solstice]

when u get a weakspot kill u cleave and hit the next enemy for full primary damage again

[safe crystal]

Speaking of Obscurus, do you still have your old Obscurus Arco?

Or did you rip the blessings out of it

[olive ember]

BiS on psyker is illisi + trauma, illisi/deimos + purge, illisi + autopistol currently

[wet belfry]

Go veteran

[spice veldt]

I think i still have it

since it was just a t3 slaughterer obscurus

[split oxide]

1. I purg the mob with one blast to soften them up.
2. I run into the burning mob and cut a line with a speed rivalling bullrush.

[spice veldt]

with slaughterer locked

[tender terrace]

yeah i mean i have a vet with 380 p sword with slaught recycle and a shredder with pinning and whatever the other silly blessing so, branch out

[tender terrace]

sheesh illis trauma next on my list so i guess i know where im headed

[jolly bear]

Force choke ability when

[void mural]

I kinda feel like taking illisi with trauma is a waste. Both handle horde clear, so you could take a deimos instead

[tender terrace]

lol trauma horde clear

disgusting

[olive ember]

Basically the illisi only swings once but the swing is more powerful thanks to various funny buffs (warp unleashed, unstable power, warp charges, etc.) and then the illisi unpowered heavies are better than the psword

by a decent margin

[spice veldt]

for my build, illisi is a non-chaotic alternative to the trauma

since I'm not a fan of how the trauma throws groaners/poxwalkers around

[split oxide]

trauma horde clear?
more like tossing salads - Thammer level

[olive ember]

Ah I think I run it similar to arcotash where I use illisi mostly and then pull out trauma for CC when I need it

[tender terrace]

trauma just miserable to use fucking hate that staff

but rending shit and hitting it with illisi sounds fun

[lunar hollow]

every 5 minutes some of the enemies would be set on fire

[void mural]

Eh, there's nuance with it, just make it throw the crowds back away from your front liners, rather than behind them

[olive ember]

nah thats the alternative trauma build I threw together today to test out

my main trauma build is flurry + shock

[spice veldt]

the trauma's outer area is deceptively large, so I'd rather not use it except for mixed hordes or if I'm the only person handling the horde (rest of the team ran ahead or is dead)

[lunar hollow]

true

[hollow jolt]

Trauma bad, recon lasgun good 😎

[lunar hollow]

honestly i hardly ever get value out of rending shockwave

but when theres an mgxii vet

the damage numbers are funny

[spice veldt]

for groaners, I'm one-shotting 28 of them with each swing of my illisi anyways

[tender terrace]

recon lasgun got rend?

[void mural]

Just aim it so that the enemies at the center are gibbed, and you don't have any on the outer side facing you allies, only on the edge facing away from your front line

[split oxide]

I prefer to have a horde. tightly bunched up, and infront of me: purg-wildfire, grenade, illisi.

One bullrush/thammer/trauma later.. they're all around us.

[hollow jolt]

Soon

[tender terrace]

big +

[jolly bear]

Rend?

[void mural]

It's really easy to not throw enemies in all directions if you know what you're doing with a trauma staff

[split oxide]

Trauma is good against Crushers and Bullwarks.. terrible against horde.
Liability to yourself.
Force Nerf for the Team Efficiency

[wet belfry]

Mk 2 recon lasgun and mk 7 devils claw is the loadout of all time.

[olive ember]

lmao recon lasgun I wish was good

[echo turtle]

Thanks!

[olive ember]

I might actually play vet then

Trauma is fine against hordes

[echo turtle]

Recon? Tell me more of this recon

[void mural]

What are you smoking? Trauma nukes hordes

[wet belfry]

It shoots

[echo turtle]

nice

Is there like some trick to getting crazy output?

[steel flame]

Nah nah, knife is way better with auto pistol than illi sword. Let's you position alot better and allows you get in close to stop shooters before opening up with the autopistol

[hollow jolt]

Yeah, replacing it increases dps like 500%

[wet belfry]

Aiming on the enemy and shotting

[spice veldt]

I disagree https://streamable.com/wns034
it's an 8.4m radius

[olive ember]

....

[echo turtle]

I never found the recons particularly impressive compared to other weapons

[tender terrace]

is the cosmetic preview mod borked? cause i keep trying to try on the new cosmetics and its crashing my game

[wet belfry]

Hog the ammo

[split oxide]

1. throws them all over the place...
2. now all your teammates have to 'target-acquire 5x diff clumps of ragers running up on them..
3. They can't mag-dump into one group.

[echo turtle]

LOL

[olive ember]

its because they are joking the recons are meme tier weapons lmao

[steel flame]

That would be a yes

[echo turtle]

bahaha

whoooosh

[olive ember]

eh I can't tell anymore

the takes are wild today

I can't tell whats a joke and what isn't lmao

[wet belfry]

Mk 2 is the worst variant of the recon lasguns

[tender terrace]

nah bro all the shit weapons "require skill" and are for good players only, its the other weapons that are op and broken silly

[echo turtle]

I’m a knife stan. That weapon slaps when set up right

I like the knife and Illisi both.

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[void mural]

Then aim it differently? You don't have to put it in the direct center of a horde. Put it along the edge of your teammates and the horde, and it will kill the close ones, and knock back the ones outside the epicenter

[echo turtle]

I have a lot of scoreboards where I run knife and gun and am #1 on offensive score

unless knife was nerfed

[steel flame]

I played with auto pistol and illi sword for the longest time before coming back to knife. It's movement and defense are just superior to illi which is far more important on a build where youre shooting 99% of the time

[split oxide]

I can plug a chokepoint and solo a horde.
Some clown comes in and traumas the horde past my purg.
Everytime.

I am helping

[spice veldt]

this would firstly have to be on a map where I have sightline of an area 8.4 meters aware from the frontline of my team

[echo turtle]

Knife is underrated. people literally don’t think it can headshot muties for 3k

[spice veldt]

the map sections where I can do that are quite rare

and i don't know about you, but I have extremely bad 2d depth perception

I can not gauge distance that well

[steel flame]

I've got one with laceration and mercy kill and that thing slaps. Not to mention bleed also gets ramped by the shredder blessings too

[spice veldt]

and I'm not risking the possibility of trapping my teammates

[void mural]

What do you mean? Just put the center of the marker between your teammates and the horde, and then there won't be any enemies on the team's side to be knocked behind your front line

[echo turtle]

Fucking rights

That combo is slept on

[spice veldt]

are you telling me to trauma the frontline?

because I'm not doing that and lowering the DPS of my melee teammates

[olive ember]

I mean thats how you horde clear with trauma

[spice veldt]

sounds annoying

I'd block all trauma players who do that

[echo turtle]

It’s a nice lil combo to bleed up a boss then shredder it. But the heavy strikes are just outrageous with T4 mercy kill

[olive ember]

its like using a purge staff and going "I'm not gonna purge that lowers the dps of the melee players in front of me"

[spice veldt]

I already have two players blocked for being annoying with the trauma

[olive ember]

thats

[spice veldt]

same with rumbler ogryns

[olive ember]

bruh

Thats literally how you use trauma lmao

[spice veldt]

oh you can use it

I just disagree with that usage

[echo turtle]

Theres a time and a place tho

[void mural]

Oh no, someone else is doing the killing instead of meeeee

[olive ember]

how tf do you use the truama then

[echo turtle]

like, You use a gun by shooting enemies. But prioritize to not hinder the team

[spice veldt]

true

[split oxide]

2x ogryn rumblers..

both the team and the enemy are bouncing around like on trampolines.

[tender terrace]

well, he's not wrong, being redundant is pretty useless

[vestal finch]

Sibling, you are cringe

[spice veldt]

anyhow, they're blocked so I have no qualms with them anymore

as long as they're out of my game, I don't mind it

[void mural]

Everybody's got tools. Use your tools for what they're good for, and everyone gets through the mission

[tender terrace]

you realize blocking them just makes the game change their name so they enter your game with a diffy name and you dont know right?

[vestal finch]

fr?

[tender terrace]

thats why you see a ton of default names

[echo turtle]

lol no

I’m a default name

[tender terrace]

like Dickot

[spice veldt]

default names are just because people randomized it

[echo turtle]

it’s cuz people are lazy

[spice veldt]

I randomized my own name

[echo turtle]

Same

and we can’t change it

for no reason

[tender terrace]

those two things are not mutually exclusive

[echo turtle]

You have proof?

[spice veldt]

is your only evidence because there's a lot of default names?

[vestal finch]

Readying killshot

[spice veldt]

or is there a developer comment on that

since that's on the backend side of things

[tender terrace]

my evidence is that i completely made it up

[spice veldt]

interesting

[echo turtle]

Arco is that an old clip of you killingg that mutie?

[spice veldt]

the clips that I showed are from this patch

[split oxide]

I'm gonna ask the question. It's annoying .. but I'll try to shutup after this:
Deimos:

• Is it just a question of skill?
• Would you survive T4/T5 horde in Dreyko-finale with only Deimos?
  I kept dying with deimos, but that was first month of it.. and I'm wondering if it was my skill issue.

[spice veldt]

is this with teammates or solo?

[tender terrace]

"x weapon is it good in this entirely contrived and arbitrary situation where the weapon i like is best?"

[echo turtle]

mutie

[spice veldt]

there's also your choice of ranged weapon

[tender terrace]

no ranged weapon ofc

only answer with his specifics

[void mural]

I don't know offhand which level that is, but I can tell you that I SUCKED with deimos when I first got it. Now I love it. It takes more practice than illisi, since you have to hit headshots with it to be fully effective with deimos

[wet belfry]

Dreyko finale should be doable with deimos as solo

Annoying yes but possible.

[split oxide]

Teammates: (positioniing) I sucked with that too. That was then.
So I didn't rely on teammates..
Illisi, I could carry/clutch that room.

[spice veldt]

though hab dreyko is one of the worse maps to bring up when talking about hordeclear

[echo turtle]

Appreciate ya

[tender terrace]

the answer is, hold rmb and repeat lmb until horde dies with purg staff

simple as

[spice veldt]

if your build is more comfortable with the illisi, then feel free to use it

that's what I do

but the deimos is a perfectly good weapon if not one of the best

[split oxide]

I have no problem doing headshots..
Headshots are my speciality - even with illisi.
I just can't click fast enough for animaton to hit as many per second as I can with Illisi

[void mural]

I'm curious, how do you guys handle the 90 degree stairs in open space going down in the new level. Every time I get to them, I end up trading health to move forward (an an ogryn). They're just always so congested with shooters, gunners, reapers, and shotgunners that I just have to eat bullets to get through those areas, because the angle is so awkward to shoot them, and there's no cover

[spice veldt]

it's like 3 clicks per second

easily doable as long as you're not spamming the shit out of it

[spice veldt]

vigil station oblivium?

[void mural]

There's a mod for that if you're having difficulty clicking fast enough

[spice veldt]

the green map

[void mural]

Dude, darktide's names confuse me. I never know what any map is called. The new one that you go into the library

[steel flame]

Trauma go bang bang over the edge and everything dies

[spice veldt]

oh the new level oops

I just run ahead with melee

it's a fairly closed space and you have elevation

so it's also to aim with the trauma

[split oxide]

I WANT the numbers on deimos light.
There are limitations to how many I can target/engage persec with deimos.

[spice veldt]

8.2 seconds to kill 20 poxwalkers; 17.4 seconds to kill 40 poxwalkers

[void mural]

Ah, so I've just not had the right tools for the job. Every time I've gotten it so far, I've been playing ogryn

[spice veldt]

that's what I got from basic testing

at least as a trauma psyker, it wasn't too bad

[steel flame]

I've been using fire trauma and I can clear the stair area for the team pretty easy, if theres alot of gunners/reapers at the bottom I'll stun lock them with short trauma blasts so everyone can close the distance

[lethal folio]

There's very little the deimos can't handle and survive on its dodge.

[void mural]

Yeah, unless you back yourself into a corner, deimos dodge is ridiculous

[wet belfry]

With the right build, skills and mentality ogryn can also be good at melee

[void mural]

It's quite literally comical when a demonhost is chasing you

[wet belfry]

Use gunner resistance, max toughness, get chained strike on weapons.

[spice veldt]

though I haven't been playing that map on hi intensity or anything

[void mural]

Oh, I got into melee and did work with it fine, just I traded so much hp to do so

[spice veldt]

i've only been doing it on normal damn so far

[split oxide]

You have the BigName across the Top
You have a SmallerName next line down.

BigName is the Sub-Region/specific location
SmallerName is the Region that the 'bigname resides in'

[steel flame]

I'm kinda pissed it can't roll mutations right now

[spice veldt]

i think it can if it appears as another map

it seems that the one that is guaranteed to appear doesn't roll mutations

[void mural]

Yeah, there's just too fuckin many things for me to remember it all

[spice veldt]

though I haven't played yesterday or today so I wouldn't know

[split oxide]

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[spice veldt]

I also personally stack a shit ton of toughness so ranged enemies aren't as bad for me

[void mural]

Hey, I already can't remember street names, and this game is expecting me to differentiate level names with same and different names. Too much brain space required for me

[spice veldt]

I'm currently running 3 tough and kinetic shield

[viral solstice]

no rumbling the horde is based

ur reported

[spice veldt]

why don't you rumble ur ass

[viral solstice]

my rumbler one shots poxwalkers

[steel flame]

The guaranteed one can't roll mutators and I've only seen it pop as a regular mission once on haz 2 as low intensity in the 12 hours i played yesterday

[viral solstice]

stay mad ill just CARRY u all with my AMAZING RUMBLING

[spice veldt]

rrrrrr

[spice veldt]

well that sucks

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZHf3l6LOhZj0T/d1337t5MwJi6?invite=cr-MSxRZ1gsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

watch dis

thats 50 poxwalkers in one shot

nothing odd about that

standard gameplay

get carried

[steel flame]

It's so easy on damnation. I want a Challenge damit

[spice veldt]

makes sense

how bad is the falloff on the rumbler

i don't play ogryn so i have no idea

when i played with healthbars, it seemed to do 100 damage at minimum

[viral solstice]

basically u need to do da juice

[spice veldt]

oh blaze away

[viral solstice]

and u need infested on the rumbler

the trick is 80 dam 25% infested second shot +

[split oxide]

2x Ogryns Rumblers, and we're bouncing around..

wishing you ran out of ammo soon
at least you get the job done

[spice veldt]

is it like grenades where the arming time is based on when it hits something (with a maximum duration) so you can just do a pro shoot two grenades and have them explode at the same time

[viral solstice]

lemme test

[viral solstice]

thats how it works on vet nades

rumbler i think probably works like that?

[tender terrace]

amazing haiku

[viral solstice]

ive seen it airburst

but usually it settles

thats roughly the radius

[spice veldt]

seems similar to trauma

albeit with better falloff

[split oxide]

3x Tough Ogryn will allow 3x overhead Crushes.
3x Tough for Psyker might still get oneshotted.

[viral solstice]

its a big radius

actually

[spice veldt]

well i'm fucked if I take a crusher overhead either way

[viral solstice]

bigger than that

[spice veldt]

and crushers are easier to dodge than ranged enemies

and I run the trauma which sits them on their ass

[obtuse moth]

Re rumbler shots are you using or proccing payback time for 20% more damage?

[spice veldt]

so crushers are pretty much a nonthreat unless I do something stupid like mistiming a dodge which could never ever happen https://youtu.be/UYy6yYY3Jxo?t=39

[split oxide]

what I'm saying is .. like Wounds, Toughness is best used if you have big numbers to multiply to begin with.

Toughness Regen is probably better milage.

[tender terrace]

fucking hate crushers

[spice veldt]

only 90 toughness damage lemayo because the crusher hit me during a slide

[vestal finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1113567872795562104/image.png

can this baby be salvaged????

I think not!

It won't 1shot muties...

[tender terrace]

i mean id prob run deflector over peril

[split oxide]

Thanks I hate it.

[spice veldt]

toughness% not only increases your buffer but also the amount by which toughness regen feats regenerate your peril by

[vestal finch]

why?

[spice veldt]

top 10 moments before disaster

is that the radius of the rumbler?

das pretty big

[split oxide]

Deimos does stupid damage.
Blazing spirits stacks for tick damage..

1. how many ticks do you need before it 'contributes'.
2. will you have already 1-shotted / 2-shotted it by the second tick?

'shit has to die fast'.
Unless you have Ascendant Blaze that appplies soulblaze to 80x dregs, by the 3rd tick, you've outputted 1000hp damage...

With a sword, you've done .. dunno .. 30?
While youve BLASTED it's head with 2x 175 points already.

[blissful mural]

thats how i feel about the blessing on al the swords

[vestal finch]

So you're saying I should scrap it for the blessing?

[spice veldt]

it has a low finesse stat; maybe you can make do with replacing eff with maniac

[vestal finch]

:)

[viral solstice]

so yeah fall off towards the outside

[vestal finch]

But I like block efficiency...

[tender terrace]

homie getting trolled so bad

[spice veldt]

they fixed the block cost on force swords so it's not as terrible as before

[tender terrace]

rude

blocking with force sword lol!!

[vestal finch]

I block bullet

I am the deflector

[spice veldt]

it used to have a multiplier 1.5x on frontal blocks instead of the 1x it was supposed to have

[tender terrace]

yeah block bullet is good

especially cause it can help maintain peril with feat

[rustic wasp]

Hey, they're all talking psyker shit in zealot channel. Am I supposed to ask zeally questions here?

[tender terrace]

yes

[spice veldt]

of course this is zealot chat

[tender terrace]

hello

[spice veldt]

(i don't play zealot)

[rustic wasp]

Lol

[tender terrace]

are you running lacerate knife and bolden?

that is bis combo

[rustic wasp]

Not atm, I'm terrible with knife.

[vestal finch]

I don't use that one

I use kinetic shield

[tender terrace]

i dont know names

[spice veldt]

derpy shut up

[tender terrace]

so i have no idea what that is

[olive ember]

When I come back to chat and I see lacerate, knife, and BiS together

;-; why is @spice veldt mean to me

[tender terrace]

u sleepin on knife build buddy stay mad

[spice veldt]

oh i thought you were gonna talk smack about kinetic shield

carry on

[olive ember]

oh

wait

you were going to talk about kinetic shield

fuck that shit

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[olive ember]

imagine using kinetic shield

I didn't even realize

until you brought it up

[spice veldt]

damn i overestimated your reading comprehension

[olive ember]

lmao

I mean the lacerate knife took priority

since

you know

lacerate knife

[tender terrace]

oh yeah

[olive ember]

and then kinetic shield

[tender terrace]

mind in motion is bis on that right @olive ember

[olive ember]

@spice veldt what you think?

[obtuse moth]

I'm told coherency based toughness regeneration isn't % based btw

[spice veldt]

i'm not josho

rubbercable prob just means in the sense of having a higher base value regardless of regen n all that

[tender terrace]

kinetic shield sucks!!!

[spice veldt]

which is fair

[olive ember]

true true

@lunar hollow what do you think?

[split oxide]

Deflector has 3 considerations.

1. If you're surprised, they will get one free shot: "har har chip damage". before you bring your shield up.
2. You bring your shield up. Unless you're slow, or they have overwhelming firepower, they will stop targetting you and wait for you to drop it.. or target your teammates.
3. While you're on defence, you're missing out on DamageOutput. Which is how many heretics can you bury per sec.

[spice veldt]

but I still think that for psyker who has a generalist toughness regen feat in the form of quietude, stacking toughness isn't terrible

[spice veldt]

and you're going to be forced into cover if you don't have toughness anyways

[split oxide]

It's amazing..

• 3x promimity: Full Tough in 6 secs-ish
• 1x proximity: full Tough in 10 secs.
  Meanwhile I'm watching some other teammate with no regen... like the counter is broken.

[obtuse moth]

What I'm saying is it will taker you longer to to reach 100% if you have more toughness

[void mural]

Huh? What do you mean they stop targeting you when you block their shots? They always keep shooting me as long as I don't take cover

[split oxide]

30% 22.5% 20% => 72.5% regen

[void mural]

And IMO, slaughterer is already enough offense for me

[spice veldt]

think about that 20% power you're missing, sitting lonely in the basement

[obtuse moth]

Which means if your primary concern is bleed through damage rather than ranged damage, it's worse

[void mural]

Oh no... 20% power when I already have 75% power

[spice veldt]

ikr

it's like abandoning a child on the sidewalk

[split oxide]

Cos you're too far away to close in maybe?
The stop targetting/firing for 2-3 secs....

• you close the gap
• they draw their swords.

[spice veldt]

so you should totally run unstable power over deflector

they do break their aggro if somebody else damages/staggers them, but that's not necessarily the case all the time

[void mural]

You mean they'll try to melee rush you if you deflector block? I've not seen that behavior until I close distance to really close to them

I tend to see enemies ignore engagement rules often

[split oxide]

no.. it's like ..

• "oh sht, he'd got deflector ..what do I do, wait for him? maybe I should shoot someone else... oh no, he's sliding toward me charging up his sword...
  ... * WARRBLE-GARBBLE *"

[echo turtle]

Agreed on unstable > deflector

[spice veldt]

depends

[spice veldt]

it's only 20% power and you're giving up ranged block

[tender terrace]

ranged block is pretty strong utility

[spice veldt]

I myself prefer unstable power, but deflector is nice to have in your back pocket

[tender terrace]

if you play like a fanatic and end up ahead of the group a lot, deflector is good for approaching packs

if you don't, then cowboy up wussy

[void mural]

I like deflector because it let's me ignore mechanics, for example when we don't have any vets, and no one else is taking care of shooter groups

I can just deflect dodge over to them to get them to stop shooting us

[split oxide]

Slaughter+Deflector
Slaughter+Unstable
Slaughter+.. shred/executor/uncanny?

depends on whether you like headshot-slapfight.. with a crusher.

[tender terrace]

mine is slaughter execute, kinda cringe

[split oxide]

nah - hit dreg heads, get more power.

[void mural]

My illisi is slaughterer + shred I think. I really want a better one, but crafting is still stupid

[tender terrace]

and the second you miss a weakspot or wiff a swing its gone

buff sucks

[split oxide]

power stacks, it doesn't say how the decay works tho..

• Is it broken like old warpcharges (x seconds and it's gone)
• Or does it decay normally, 5stacks .. 4stacks.. 3 stacks. etc

[obtuse moth]

If you're talking illisi, that doesn't mean much in a horde situation. You only have to hit one head along your entire swing, and you can get multiple stacks at once

[spice veldt]

it's a repeated/chained condition

so you break the chain if you, for example, activate your special

[tender terrace]

executor is when you miss a weak spot or wiff a hit it's instantly gone

you have to repeatedly hit weak spots with it

[split oxide]

realy .. let me check

[tender terrace]

and yeah, its not bad, you can maintain the buff a bit, but you can fuck it up real easy

[tender terrace]

nah bro i just made it up it's a permanent stacking buff for the duration of the game infinitely stacks

[obtuse moth]

Not anymore than decimator

[tender terrace]

i mean im bad with names i could be mixing them up

whatever the weakspot one is

[spice veldt]

you do make up stuff and there's no worry with checking stuff out yourself

[obtuse moth]

That's the correct name, I'm just saying the drop off isn't any bigger concern with that buff on illisi without special swings than it is on weapons with decimator which is quite meta on axes