psyker-class

[near wyvern]

Pinning Fire more important

But even with Pinning Fire 3 it hits like a truck

You pair that with Ascendant Blaze and press F to delete everything on screen except crushers

[feral verge]

i'm trying to hit 50k plasteel today

[near wyvern]

And obviously some not on screen as well cause it goes through walls

[near wyvern]

Why

[feral verge]

weekend is the only time i can play really, atm

my og goal was 30k

but that was before i knew there wouldnt be anyt new weapons for this update

[near wyvern]

Lemme guess those builds, Void, Trauma, Purge (in pick), Surge and then a Deflector +9 stamina build?

[feral verge]

lmao

you are exactly o nthe money

[near wyvern]

There will be new weapons coming?

[feral verge]

nah, there isnt supposed to be any new weapons

that's from last week or weekend

[near wyvern]

Right so you still doing it just for the lulz?

[feral verge]

for the cope

[near wyvern]

Cause I just pick a random 370+ from inventory and see what I get

Every time I have the plasteel

[feral verge]

im hoping that in this supposedly big update, crafting will be changed

and we';ll be able to unlck blessings/perks with plasteel/diamantine

[near wyvern]

Well, it's just the com link so there will be time after that as well, it's not like the patch will be out fast after the com link

Would be the first time if it is like that

[feral verge]

at this point, my main weapons are all really good and i'd rather save my plasteel for updates/content drops than spending it on trying to get 100% perfect weapons

[near wyvern]

They release it just before their summer holidays, then call someone in on their first holiday to revert some change because it completely fucked up the game and let the players suck on some copium through their holidays

[feral verge]

haha poor

[feral verge]

the only builds i play are the purga, and surge

[near wyvern]

Wishing for combined currencies for my characters

[feral verge]

i say surge lightly, because it's really just my super melee focused zealot wannabe build

i only use surge literally 10% of the time

[ornate hamlet]

Should I keep or give to Hadron?

[near wyvern]

Same for me, I roll it with Kinetic Shielding, 2 toughness 1 stamina curio and Illisi, only really use the surge to pump the peril up and stun the elites so I can go in and whack them in melee

Can't trust strangers to deal with shit

[near wyvern]

It's a 307, this is not even a question. Insta Hadron that T4.

[feral verge]

2hp, 1 stam curio

[lilac tapir]

btw not sure if it's a bug or not but I cannot see Blaze Away 4, it's just 3, at lvl 4 it shows me Inspiring Barrage, which apparently only has lvl 4, it doesn't exist at lower lvls

[feral verge]

i've been meaning to try toughness

ik it will make kinetic shield even better

[feral verge]

cool

dump precog

the only thing stopping it from being the ultimate deimos (for my taste at least) is the high warp resist

i love low warp resist + unstable power

and toss out crit chance for maniac damage

[ornate hamlet]

Replace it with what?

[feral verge]

i told you lol

crit damage for maniac damage

[lilac tapir]

he meant for precog

[feral verge]

precog for unstable, or perhnaps deflector

opoh

[ornate hamlet]

Also, I have this for some reason.

[edgy kite]

Good enough to try upgrade? I figure warp charges cover the weaker stopping power

[ornate hamlet]

What about Unarmoured?

[vestal raven]

dont worry about unarmored on the deimos

[feral verge]

maniac always

[ornate hamlet]

Unyielding?

[left hare]

Trauma staff is aoe dps?

[feral verge]

flak and maniac

[left hare]

I'm tired of using surge

[feral verge]

go to perks

[left hare]

What's the trauma rotations

Is it a short charge or big charge

[ornate hamlet]

Literally rerolled 20 times, still no Maniac

[feral verge]

Ther s a mod for that

Can't link rn cuz I'm playing

[ornate hamlet]

Also this

[ionic frost]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/30

I wasted hours rerolling before I got that mod...

one time it took 40 minutes to get the perk i wanted...the mod takes 1-2 minutes

[heady garnet]

Most nomanus staff guides say to run crit and flurry, but if I wanted to go PURE cc would focused channeling be better than warp nexus?

[ionic frost]

focused channeling is only for if you're bad and get hit a lot =)

[heady garnet]

It's perfect for me then 🥲

[ionic frost]

warp nexus will let you stack burn faster and kill faster because of it

but when i first took focused channeling off, i missed it

[heady garnet]

I'm referring to the lightning shock staff, not the purgtorus flame staff

[ionic frost]

o

same basic concept

it can help you charge up a full charge without it being interrupted

tho you can always dodge while you charge when you get good =)

[heady garnet]

I only started playing 2 months ago, never touched difficulty 5

[ionic frost]

usually you'll want to use melee weapon if the enemy's close enough to melee you

though sometimes you'll want to stun them instead

a quick secondary charge can give you some space to do a full charge for more damage

[heady garnet]

My boyfriend plays vet and complains about me blocking shots and not being able to see through purgatorus so I want to see if I can min nomanus

Main*

[ionic frost]

there's a mod for that

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/157

[heady garnet]

So he would have to download?

[ionic frost]

yeah

but then he won't be bothered by teammate's flames ever again =)

just enemy flames

[ornate hamlet]

...

You know, I am not going to trust myself in activating mods.

The last time I did, uh...

[lilac tapir]

once the mod rolled the maximum it's allowed to roll and still didn't find what I was looking for (I think 3k or 4k rolls it was) - just shows how bad this design is...

[ornate hamlet]

Let's just say that I am inept in setting it up.

[ionic frost]

people have written guides on how to do it

[heady garnet]

I suggested it to him already but apparently last time he installed a mod his game wouldn't work

@ionic frost I'll def take a look 🙂

[ionic frost]

I use 75 mods right now...

[ornate hamlet]

I am aware of the guides, and I did follow them. The problem I find is that I always miss out the details.

[heady garnet]

Hopefully my laptop doesn't take a shit from it

Using weak aura packs on WoW drops my frames from 200 to 60

[ionic frost]

I didn't notice any framerate reduction using mods

there are mods to make it run smoother too, and take away annoying things

like the screen greying when on last wound

that always bothered me

now it's gone =)

[heady garnet]

One thing I do like about lightning staff is I def feel like I'm less in the way

Compared to flme staff

[ornate hamlet]

So, I've downloaded the Mod Loader

Anything else to do?

[ionic frost]

you need Darktide Mod Framework too

[obtuse moth]

if your item level is too low you wont be able to get higher tiers

some perks are still definitely rarer than others and its still a terrible design as currently implemented to expect people to interact with

[ionic frost]

They need to just make it a list to pick from.

[ornate hamlet]

How to activate them?

[thick beacon]

You need to run toggle_darktide_mods.bat from your darktide install dir

and if you haven't, fill out the mod load order file in the mods directory

[obtuse moth]

or use the vortex extension to do all of it

[ornate hamlet]

What's the darktide install dir?

[thick beacon]

Are you on Steam or Game Pass?

[ornate hamlet]

Steam-

[fresh steeple]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Warhammer 40,000 DARKTIDE

[thick beacon]

Right click Darktide, properties, local files, browse

[fresh steeple]

(also I recommend you make a shortcut for it in another location)

[obtuse moth]

https://github.com/Darktide-Mod-Framework/Darktide-Vortex-Extension can check for updates and download them directly to vortex too once youve done the first installation

[ornate hamlet]

Okay. Then?

Should I be looking for something?

[thick beacon]

Copy the contents of the mod loader zip in there. Run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat file. Any mods you download, copy the contents of those to mods/ and add them to the mods/mod_load_order.txt file

[ornate hamlet]

Uh...

[thick beacon]

the mods/ directory is included in the mod loader zip file

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know what I'm doing, even with a guide :/

[thick beacon]

If you open the modloader.zip file, you can drag/drop the files into the darktide directory, and it'll unzip them there for you

[ornate hamlet]

A

It's working, I think

[thick beacon]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/ is what I used when I was getting started

[thick beacon]

Now you just need to drop your mods into the mods/ folder, and add the name of each mod (the folder name) to mods/mod_load_order.txt and you're good to go

[ornate hamlet]

Folder name?

[thick beacon]

Ye - if you look at the screenshot I uploaded earlier, each mod comes in its own folder - add that folder's name to the text file, to load the mod or step 7.3 of the reddit post linked

[hardy tulip]

There is specific way of getting Warp Battery penance?

[thick beacon]

I think Comms Plex once you complete the first data interrogator event is good for it; gunners or shotgunners spawn in groups at the end, and come through the main door

If you use the Illisi, you can spam charge (without attacking) to build peril fast

[ornate hamlet]

Welp, I think I got lost.

[obtuse moth]

i find generally just holding right click with brain burst works pretty well then switching to a force weapon for the pop worked for me pre-illisi

[hardy tulip]

Try use this sword, it feel odd to use.

[obtuse moth]

its an amazing sword

[hardy tulip]

Well atlest for now.

Not telling is bad or something, just found it akward to use.

[thick beacon]

In that case, take noth's advice to build your peril and... kaboom. If you're playing quickplay, just mention it/ask for help in chat, so they don't accidentally interfere with your attempt

[hardy tulip]

Ok, thx for advices.

[thick beacon]

What stage are you at now? You've installed the mod loader, run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, that I don't know where.

[thick beacon]

Okay. I think you can just install mods now and you're good to go. If you open the reroll_until_rarity zip file you downloaded, then drag/drop the contents of the zip (it should be 1 folder) to your mods/ directory

[lilac tapir]

it was a curio with 20% HP blessing and I was rolling for Sniper Resistance 4, eventually got it (I think it took 4000ish rolls with the mod), so perhaps you can still get it, but with lower chance, or I was just unlucky - good thing we have the mod haha 🙂

[obtuse moth]

curious what the base item level and tier of the other two perks are

[feral verge]

a decent empra's gift, for once

[kind jay]

emperor offering a crumb of that unlimited power

[olive ember]

Does he have unlimited power tho?

[kind jay]

does the emperor use a surge staff

if yes, then unlimited power

if no, skill issue

[naive ember]

How to do this?

[spice veldt]

play on lower difficulties and/or have teammates with thunderhammers

[late yew]

Why those 2?

Laspistol does not make any sense for psyker

[wet belfry]

I was level 5

[late yew]

After using trauma a lot more, especially with warp resistance, i gotta agree that surge is subpar

[wet belfry]

Was there really to many options?

[spice veldt]

should've used the superior 2.5 second charge speed trauma staff, though I forget at what level you unlock it

[wet belfry]

I belive its pretty early

but it was between laspistol and trauma staff

[spice veldt]

yeah I'm also picking the laspistol lmao

[wet belfry]

Other weapons i wouldnt even consider in the equation

[cyan notch]

7

pretty sure its trauma 7 surge 9

[wet belfry]

I think trauma is at level 4

Deimos though at level 6 is insane

l1, h2 are chefs kiss.

[near gale]

Guys, I found my new trauma staff

[lilac tapir]

question to Vortex users: if I already have all my mods installed manually (without Vortex), is there a way for Vortex to "detect" all the mods in the Darktide mod folder rather then me having to manually redownload all 44 mods and install them again via Vortex?

[long wharf]

no

it doesn't work like that

[lilac tapir]

thanks, thought so, but wanted to double check

[knotty sage]

Which one and why? I could earn blessing from one and then have Barrage IV and naxus IV in the end.

[feral verge]

terrifying barrage is bad

the one on the right has good stats

you want burn to be 76% or higher

cloud radius to be as high as possible too

52% cloud radius is bad

youi want warp nexus and warp flurry

this is pretty close to what the ultimate purga looks like

terrifying barrage is bad because our staves already suppress enemies

so it's like the blessing isn't even there

if you have that on a legendary staff, it may as well be a purple staff

pretty much an empty blessing slot

[knotty sage]

@feral verge All right, thank you so much for the explanation ❤️

[formal ridge]

keep block efficiency or 6% weakspot

[feral verge]

Weakspot bad

Really bad

[formal ridge]

ya but if im not blocking with it...

i mean should I be ? no deflector

[feral verge]

You block when you revive

Replace weakspot with maniac

[feral verge]

Yw homie

[formal ridge]

ill probably get rid of block efficiency

your argument isnt convincing

but thank you

[feral verge]

You will literally do 1 more points of damage

With weakspot damage

[formal ridge]

ultimatley it comes down to a lot of breakpoints

how many warp charges, whats my peril

id rather have a tiny bit of extra damage than block efficency that I will never block

[feral verge]

You block when you revive lol

[spice veldt]

6% weakspot damage adds 3.36% more damage on weakspot hits

[formal ridge]

I can put block efficiency on my curios lol

[formal ridge]

you said that already

[formal ridge]

miniscule but more than 0

[spice veldt]

true

[formal ridge]

and its an 80 80 80 weapon

so may as well tip the scale

[spice veldt]

I personally like my block eff since I don't like to get guardbroken, but they also fixed the block cost on force swords

so it's whatev

[formal ridge]

you're right i wont change it yet

[spice veldt]

hmm, the numbers in the calculator and in-game differ

an 80/80/80 sword for me has 309 weakspot damage in the damage tables and presumably gets rounded up to 310 when smacking enemies with healthbars enabled, but the calc says it's 311.02

and 130.68 * 2.3 is 300.564, not around 310

oh nvm i equipped the wrong sword

damage tables line up but the weakspot multiplier eludes me

it seems that the actual weakspot multiplier is higher than what is actually given on the finesse stat

[viral solstice]

weakspot the stat

or the finesse stat report

[spice veldt]

finesse stat report

a force sword with 1.82x weakspot power actually has a 2.1x weakspot multiplier if I just do the math

I guess "power" is a different thing?

[viral solstice]

its probs a 1.82 multiplier of a base weakspot value

[spice veldt]

huh

well that's fun

[viral solstice]

this is just a guess too tired to check code but broadly

i suspect thats the easiest way to do it

so they can tweak just like

"how muhc weakspot does this weapon do finesse and character stats independent"

and

"how much does finesse scale that"

separately

but ill check it tomorrow once insomnia abides

[spice veldt]

seems like they get some modularity over changing the flat/relative bonus to weakspot damage

[lunar hollow]

melk wtf is this

[dire hare]

is this worth upgrading?

[lilac tapir]

he's gonna make you choose!

[raven marsh]

best map for push kills?

[dire hare]

I got it on the data skull one at the end where you run on a giant pipe

[raven marsh]

thanks!

[formal ridge]

i would if I had no others worth upgrading

[spice veldt]

you lose out on some damage on the LMB but crit bonus doesn't impact the RMB that much

[dire hare]

Thank you I’ll go through with it

[thick beacon]

Vigil Station finale, once you enter the central room IMO. Smelter complex finale has a lot of edges to push over, but there's more room for enemies to spread out

[marsh kayak]

Crits too low

[raven marsh]

got it!

[near gale]

What's the dump stat on the trauma staff?

quell speed?

[spice veldt]

I personally treat damage as my dump stat since you can hit the breakpoints on non-elite/special enemies with 60% damage

since damage scales from 300 to 400, and that's not a particularly large range

[near gale]

I knew charge rate and blast radius were important

And I was guessing warp resist was, as well, if you wanted to use it more than 3 or 4 casts >.>

[spice veldt]

here are some numbers for quell speed

you can usually expect battle med to proc with a warp flurry trauma, but against ranged engagements, it's nice to have quell speed for quietude

[near gale]

I wish the charge rate on the voidstrike did more. Like... 2.00 to 1.40 would be more than it does now... for amount of time reduced per extra %

[spice veldt]

yeah quite underwhelming

[near gale]

1.90 to 1.60 is... 0.3 that covers the entire 0-100% stat...

Then you have the surge staff, which charge rate(last I knew) was the dump stat on... which governs a 0.9 amount

[spice veldt]

I know that Bad Karma has an inner tranq warp flurry trauma build where they treat quell speed as the dump stat

yeah I also didn't realize how absolutely wide the charge rate scaling on the surge was until later

I kinda ignored that stat for a while

[near gale]

I mean: my current best surge staff has the dump stat as quell speed. Sure it's slower, but, with how much they buffed the quell rate it doesn't matter as much now

Ever since I started using the deimos force sword I have been a lot more comfortable going without a +3 stamina curio. The dodge distance on the deimos is so nice, for extra mobility when needed.

Personally I choose warp resist as the dump stat on my illisi and deimos. The illisi more for building peril quickly for quelling, when I have the autopistol. The deimos more because you can't charge it again without losing the warp attack first.

[raven marsh]

best weapon to shove with?

[spice veldt]

at least on the deimos, you can swap off and repeat that

used to spam my god blessed obscurus for that free peril

[raven marsh]

I had about 20 pox walkers next to an edge

and my psyker could not push them off

[spice veldt]

probably a weapon with impact or power blessings

since impact/power also influences the stagger strength of your pushes

and with regards to your Ultimate, warp charges will scale the strength of its stagger

[sudden pollen]

Do you need a full strike team to do private games?

None of my bros play darktide so im wondering how many randoms I need for the private game penance

[heady garnet]

currently running an ilisi v, just got a decent deimos 4, how does the demios do?

[ionic frost]

just need 1 other person

[frozen osprey]

Does anyome know anything about these? I don't remember ever seeing them in the shop but I might be dumb

[spice veldt]

deimos' 1st light is a stab that deals 2x damage compared to the usual lights; the 2nd heavy is a stab that deals 2.5x damage compared to the usual heavies

[feral verge]

i did it

50k plasteel

ig i go play my zealot now

[feral verge]

with only a mere 10k plasteel

[spice veldt]

enhance

not t4 unstable power

come back later, kiddo

[feral verge]

can we ban this guy

[heady garnet]

considering switching to the blue staff as i think warp resistance is the dump staff? Or should i stick with the stats of my current one

[feral verge]

coping hard

just need fatshark to remove locks

[spice veldt]

I'm personally pretty comfortable with giving up warp resistance on staffs; the only particular downside is that you won't be able to charge as much to get and maintain Warp Flurry stacks if you ever use that blessing

I also like my quietude, so I always favor quell speed over warp res

[heady garnet]

I just yoinked a warp flurry 4 that I was planning on putting on my current staff

are blessings reusable?

[spice veldt]

yep

[heady garnet]

oo nice

[spice veldt]

they are also shared across all accounts

however, it does come with a strong caveat

blessings earned from one weapon family can not be used on another weapon family

e.g., tactical axe blessings can't be used on combat axes

[heady garnet]

oh i didn't know they were BoA

thats super neat

[spice veldt]

and on Psyker, each of our current staffs belong to different weapon families (Trauma, Voidstrike, Purgatus, Surge)

[near gale]

Is warp flurry important on the trauma staff?

I feel like if I had t3 or 4 warp flurry it would make the staff feel a lot better. Currently I only have t1

[spice veldt]

the charging process generates the largest proportion of peril for the overall cast

at 80% warp res, the number is something around 20% for a full charge and 5% on cast

[near gale]

Oh, so warp flurry would make me reach max peril faster?

[spice veldt]

oh warp flurry reduces the peril generated while charging

since you generate peril per second while charging, and flurry cuts down on the time without modifying the peril per second generated in that process

[near gale]

Ah

So it is important for the staff, is what you are saying...

[spice veldt]

ye

[near gale]

No wonder why it's a bit difficult to use, atm, with only t1 warp flurry

[spice veldt]

I personally don't use warp flurry on my trauma since I use it as an anti-melee elite and anti-ranged weapon, so it's fairly situational that I ever need to use it

[near gale]

The other thing is that I am still learning how to aim it, currently

[spice veldt]

trauma also has the fastest charge time compared to the other staffs at 80% charge rate, so it's pretty good by default, though you are also more incentivized to charge it to full compared to the other staffs

simply have 1k hours with trauma to aim it properly

[near gale]

Does Rending Shockwave do much for it?

I have the t4 version of it, in my pool

[spice veldt]

for the trauma itself, not really

since it already deals 100% damage to all armour types except infested

but it does debuff enemies like crushers for your teammates and your BB/melee

[near gale]

It would be cool if Surge made it so you got 2 explosion aoes from crits...

[lunar hollow]

it does one thing and its beautiful

the shitty mgxii vets who shoot crushers can be effective

[near gale]

It would also help an autopistol zealot who used their career, but, it wore off before they killed the crusher

[ember hornet]

illisi mains out here like

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[near gale]

I've been a deimos enjoyer for a while, now. I only bring the illisi if I have my autopistol, tbh. The deimos is way more useful with staves, imo.

[spice veldt]

the trauma's stagger is very useful for making a team survive melee elites and improve your win rate, but it can sometimes be a bit much in normal situations

so I defer to the Illisi in the majority of situations

[near gale]

I feel like the trauma staggering enemies to make it easier on allies is similar to the surge staff zapping them.

Only it does more concentrated damage to the center of the aoe

[spice veldt]

it does knock them to the ground which also gives you time to whack them

[near gale]

and doesn't suck vs enemies that aren't flak/carapace

[ember hornet]

it doesn't make bulwarks randomly flail around

[near gale]

which makes them randomly block your attacks because it changed where the shield was x.x

[lunar hollow]

it helps when you turn a corner and get rushed by a melee patrol

or when your team is an awkward spot and a horde spawns and pulls a bunch of ads

there's also a big difference in the kind of CC it does, because trauma knocks it over and you get to do other stuff while they get up

whereas with surge u have to stand there like a dumbass and keep zappin stuff

[near gale]

Tru

[spice veldt]

I used to get games where the team just gets squished by melee elites into a corner because we didn't have enough anti-armor DPS

[near gale]

I'm trying to learn the trauma staff, but, it's difficult since I never was a fan of the confligration staff in vt2

[spice veldt]

and I would like to avoid that again

[lunar hollow]

i hated trauma until i messed around with the other staffs on psyker

and came back to it

and realized that it is a completely different weapon when u hit 30 and can get good stuff

[lunar hollow]

i had this problem a lot too when i started playing up until i got to damnation and realized my loadouts have to be capable of dealing with everything

[near gale]

I mean... when I first tried the trauma it was on a lights out mission, when I didn't know the maps or what I was doing

[spice veldt]

anti-trauma propagandists on fatshark giving trauma a lower boundary of 2.5 seconds on its charge rate

[near gale]

This was also WAY before it was buffed

[spice veldt]

indoctrinating new players into not liking it

I liked the trauma when it generated 47% peril

[near gale]

Unless your first one was something like 50% charge rate, with all the other stats sucking

[spice veldt]

can you also tell that I used quietude back then

[near gale]

Then it at least charged, a bit

I don't even know what stats my first one had

[spice veldt]

I think I used the trauma staff once at lower levels and then straight up didn't use it again until 100 hours later when I got bored of the purg staff

[lunar hollow]

same

the darkest days was running purg/dueling sword and struggling through low5s

[near gale]

I didn't try running the purgatus without a force sword... which made me not like using the purgatus since the 1st force sword was so bad against hordes

A leveling force sword without slaughterer was horrible vs hordes, if you had to use your melee

[lunar hollow]

most levelling weapons are kinda painful

except for maybe stuff like flamer and power sword (i cant comment on anything released after january cuz thats when i got all my classes to 30)

[spice veldt]

if comparing without blessings, then a profane obscurus was ok for hordeclear

[near gale]

not compared to the dueling sword 2 or 4... the 5 had that strikedown which could mess you up

[spice veldt]

just had to rely on the 2nd heavy with its chad 6 cleave

and sometimes the overhead if the horde was dense

[near gale]

I found it more problematic that helpful

I ended up liking the mk 4 the best

which is ironic because I could never aim Saltpyre'z rapier stabs very well in vt2...

but I was doing okay with the dueling sword 4's stabs

[lunar hollow]

the only thing i could ever get the dueling sword to be good for was that feat that BBs on hit

cuz u could lightspam a crusher super fast and then he would suddenly drop dead

which was somewhat safer than just BBing it normally

[near gale]

Didn't it always have a cooldown, though?

[lunar hollow]

thats what the uncanny strike is for

it would let me normally do enough to kill it with BB

though that would require more heavies to be thrown in

all around the weapon never felt that good to me except as basically a tool for not instantly dying

[near gale]

That makes more sense, now.

The dueling sword 4 felt good for me on malice, but, only okay for me on heresy

[lunar hollow]

i only ever ran it on t5

[near gale]

By the time I was learning damnation on my Psyker I already had changed to the Antax

[lunar hollow]

i have 0 idea what melee i used to level psyker

[spice veldt]

this is pre-patch footage; mah boy obscurus was good https://streamable.com/m6bl8b

[near gale]

For me it was the dueling sword, mostly, while I was leveling

[lunar hollow]

it took me a long time to figure out the force sword push for some ungodly reason

[near gale]

It looks like you have slaughterer, though.

[spice veldt]

ye

[orchid shadow]

Holy.. how low a graphic setting is that??

[near gale]

I never used an obscurus with slaughterer

[spice veldt]

all low with DLSS max performance

makes sense

[near gale]

Even with slaughterer on it... I would have still prefered the Antax/Dueling Sword 4 personally

[spice veldt]

though obscurus even with slaughterer struggled against dreg bruisers since you couldn't rack stacks quickly, which was what I used the pre-patch bloodthirsty for

I preferred the obscurus for its above-average hordeclear and infinite dodges

and the 200% flak damage on the special

[near gale]

Interesting heresy missions, available.

[spice veldt]

at least they're the two maps that are probably the least impacted by lights out

one is hab dreyko and the other is 90% corridors

[lilac tapir]

are these HI Shock Troop with lights out?

[spice veldt]

nah just normal hi

[lilac tapir]

ah ok, it says Gauntlet so wasn't sure

[spice veldt]

I think it's usually gauntlet when two modifiers are combined?

I know that vent purge sniper is also appended with gauntlet

[lilac tapir]

you're probably right, I usually don't pay attention to the naming

[spice veldt]

the terminology catches me off guard since I'm used to the meaning of gauntlet from l4d2 (basically just events that are part of the map where hordes spawn)

[vale trench]

what are the best blessings for voidstrike staff?

[late yew]

Quell peril and flurry

[ocean cipher]

hey if two psykers named Phobos and Deimos are in this discord i wanna give props to y'all

ran into them by random chance last night and they made for a super fun round

[karmic reef]

Why do people use dueling sword, isn’t Deimos better at what it does in nearly every way?

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

It's pretty much for novelty, but that thing needs a hard buff

[karmic reef]

Is it available for other classes?

(I only play ogryn other than psyker rn)

[spice veldt]

the drip is accessible to only psykers

[karmic reef]

But if it is, I’d like to use it on vet

Darn

[plucky harness]

thanks beloved!

[robust jungle]

made this beauty. what should i do for perkz?

[rigid needle]

I'd remove the invested

You already eat through hordes most likely

[long wharf]

you want crit chance

[opal badger]

Flak armored isnt the best ether since fire doesnt really do to well against them without crit

[spice veldt]

soulblaze is quite fine on flak given its 150% damage modifier on them

[rigid needle]

Guys, the suppression on close range kill perk is considered weak (for a reason). But has someone tried how noticeable the suppression is on surge staff. Since we already use it for CC not any serious dmg

[opal badger]

suppression on close range is clutch on damnation

i use it

also i didnt know about thr 150

[spice veldt]

yeah the game doesn't tell you it at all

[opal badger]

classic lol

[spice veldt]

I only know about it from other people; here's the armour table for soulblaze

sourced from section 5 of this guide https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[opal badger]

1.5 to unyielding too? wow purgatus is better than i thought

[rigid needle]

Yess, annoyingly so, as it is the least fun imho

[ornate hamlet]

Granted, the health pool for unyielding is much bigger than flak's

[spice veldt]

soulblaze itself is quite average, but purgatus having infinite cleave in a conal area makes it extremely strong

the only things stopping it are its limited range, walls, and (shielded) bulwarks

[opal badger]

I love voidstrike and trauma. Trauma is the worst but still fun af to use. Love the aoe

[ornate hamlet]

Though I do wonder which is better for bosses, since I once saw someone spamming purgatus on a boss and it made me wonder if they knew something about it that I didn't

I always just spammed BB

[spice veldt]

on plogryn, an 80/80 dmg/burn purg did about 380 DPS without warp unleashed

illisi light-spamming did about 380 dps as well

[rigid needle]

Which boss? The traitor guardsman is carapace, so you spam purgatus there only for the trash mobs

[spice veldt]

the assassination boss' HP is Flak

[ornate hamlet]

Unyielding bosses

[rigid needle]

Really?

huh

[spice veldt]

ye

[rigid needle]

mb

[opal badger]

I thought it was flak

yeah

[spice veldt]

it's why the obscurus/deimos special deals ridiculous amounts of damage to his HP

cuz of the obscurus/deimos' 200% flak multiplier on their special

[opal badger]

why is this not listed in the frickin game lol

[rigid needle]

Cause Fatshark don't bother

[opal badger]

thats vital info for endgame builds

[spice veldt]

simply spend 24 hours every day living and sleeping in the meatgrinder

[opal badger]

your sacrifice is appreciated

[spice veldt]

though in my case, I'm mostly just pulling information from other people who have done htat

[ornate hamlet]

eating in the grinder, drinking in the grinder, pissing and shitting in the grinder as a result of eating and drinking

[spice veldt]

i shidd

[ornate hamlet]

psykers are more susceptible to demonic control while taking a bigshid

[spice veldt]

trauma is pretty good because it also has infinite cleave in an AoE

it suffers from hard stat scaling, as its charge rate scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

[opal badger]

im over here grinding my meat, i got lotion on my meat rn

[spice veldt]

The epicentre of its blast radius similarly scales from 1.5 metres to 2.5 metres (and the outer area from 2 meters to 10 meters)

[ornate hamlet]

in another news

[rigid needle]

I find it unwieldy

[spice veldt]

true, the aiming system is funky

[rigid needle]

purely mechanically

[ornate hamlet]

all the pizza places I order from are closed right now, so I'm needing to try one that doesn't have chicken on the menu

[opal badger]

Aiming at the sky to long range kill enemies with trauma staff moment

[ornate hamlet]

nor a cheddar filling in the edges, borders or whatever people call the outermost part of the pizza that's a bit puffy

am sad

[opal badger]

the crust?

[spice veldt]

it's a beautiful sky

[ornate hamlet]

I suppose so

cheddar crust is pog

[rigid needle]

Who fills the crust?!

[opal badger]

bro have you ever eaten pizza before?

[rigid needle]

Americans are inventing yet another whole new dish and calling it pizza

[ornate hamlet]

surprisingly a handful of restaurants here

[opal badger]

how tf do you not know its called crust lol

[ornate hamlet]

I mean

I practiced conversational English, not vocabulary

[opal badger]

Lolol fair enough

[grizzled jasper]

Just wait till we release new food that will be a game changer

It’s called sushi

[opal badger]

That came out last patch

[tidal scaffold]

question time, whats yalls favorite staff

[ornate hamlet]

Sushi but people take out the raw fish and cook it

[opal badger]

Voidstrike. 100%

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol

[grizzled jasper]

Deep fried sushi

[opal badger]

sushi but instead of fish its made out of beef and has bread on the top and bottom of it

[ornate hamlet]

It's a weirdly tiny staff and the warp is red for some reason, but a staff nonetheless

[opal badger]

laspistol is chad psyker behavior

[tidal scaffold]

I like your answer

[spice veldt]

Trauma staff

[opal badger]

also chad

[spice veldt]

getting squished into a corner by melee elites will never happen ever again

[ornate hamlet]

I want psyker to get a melee staff like some sort of monk

[opal badger]

I just like the crack noise of heashotting stuff with voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

So when people go "hurr durr ur a gun psyker" in-game I can pull out the melee staff and go "no?"

[opal badger]

"oh look a random dreg 200 meters away" CRACK

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike has to be my favorite because of that

It's like you're going bowling every 10 steps

[rigid needle]

Yes, very rewarding

[spice veldt]

any staff that doesn't has a charge secondary would be welcoming

[opal badger]

So visceral. But id like to see some more staffs soon.

Psykers canonically have ass loads of powers. They have plenty to work with

[rigid needle]

yeah but canonically they don't depend on staves

[opal badger]

that is also true. But if they went canon on that regard theyd have to have like 50 subclasses

[rigid needle]

Their force weapons are more diverse - rods, axes, hammers,

[opal badger]

kind of wish illisi was an axe. mind as well be one

[ornate hamlet]

Void could be a Megaman staff

Primary is normal funny ball and charged funny ball when holding

[rigid needle]

Honestly, in 40k Imperium psykers are often not the biggest killers, they are often defensive and/or support in their skills

[ornate hamlet]

Right-click to idfk do something else

Maybe a black-

OH YEAH

[rigid needle]

bursting heads and breathing fire is weirdboy domain

[ornate hamlet]

Make it a black hole that pulls enemies together

Boom

[opal badger]

Id love to see a healing or biomancy psyker in this but it wouldnt probably swing well with fart shark

[ornate hamlet]

Healshare makes a return

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035168451628642364/1108778032702963812/1684422272926236.gif

[rigid needle]

Just have a staff that channels a shield on somoene

[ornate hamlet]

TF2 medic

[rigid needle]

mhm

but just shield

[opal badger]

That would be clutch. And maybe after so much damage the shield explodes. Like quen from witcher

[ornate hamlet]

ngl tho, the less healing we have, the better

[rigid needle]

^or you explode if it raises your peril

[ornate hamlet]

I'd hate for people to start making their own metas with "we need a healer in the group"

[opal badger]

healing would trivialize the the game too much for sure

[rigid needle]

That's why I suggest absorption instead. We already have damage mitigation mechanics

[opal badger]

unless! temp health

like V2

[ornate hamlet]

Toughness

[opal badger]

Thats fair. Idk how theyd work it in

[cyan notch]

apply 15 stacks then melee if not bb

[opal badger]

nonetheless i want more staves

[ornate hamlet]

I think the game benefits from staying close to the core combat of dodge/block/push/attack as a means of defense

Delegating the damage avoidance to the player ensures they are the ones responsible for their own safety most of the time

Sure, when someone else just lets a guy get hit from behind it's a dick move, but those fall into team issues

The game theoretically has the tools for the player to do a map without taking a single hit

[opal badger]

It can be done. but have i done it? absolutely not.

Thanks random infested spawning from a door behind me

[ornate hamlet]

Even for that the game plays sound cues tbh

If the player is real fucking cracked, they don't get touched

[opal badger]

Not for me. I blare music while i play so im deaf lol

[cyan notch]

this is the way

[spice veldt]

having some damage mitigation allows you to be more aggressive and opens up more opportunities to deal damage, which would be nice

since one could argue that because the game offers so many damage mitigation tools, having another one wouldn't be that broken, especially when that mechanic is specifically only tied to the abilities of a particular subclass or whatever other limitations that you impose to make it not as generally applying

[agile garden]

I had blazing spirit in place of slaughterer but with wildfire it didn't seem to be procing and spreading on kill like i expected it too. the dps on this seems lower than anticipated, what am i doing wrong?

[spice veldt]

there's some buggy/unlisted behavior with wildfire listed here #psyker-class message

[burnt maple]

feels good upgrading 5 voidstrike staves to orange just to keep getting Run N Gun, Surge, Terrifying Barrage and other garbage blessings

"And what do we have here?"

"trash."

"Spleeeendid"

[ripe sky]

Any way of making the dueling swords work? they seem a bit underwhelming...

[spice veldt]

their base stats in everything except mobility, block cost, and fashion are very meh

[spice veldt]

it also turns out that one-shotting an enemy that does not currently have any soulblaze stacks with a crit + blazing spirit does not apply/transfer soulblaze

and wildfire will attempt to distribute these soulblaze stacks as evenly as possible; if there are >4 enemies nearby, it will give 1 soulblaze stack to 4 enemies rather than dumping 4 stacks onto a single enemy, which somewhat works against the exponential nature of soulblaze damage

[ember hornet]

wow that's dumb

[light quail]

they're bad VS horde but pretty decent for dealing with the melee specials

the stab from alt fire has very good stagger and one of them has an overhead heavy that messes stuff up

[burnt maple]

i can't really see using them vs one of the force swords we have, though?

[light quail]

style points

[ripe sky]

MkV yes, i was thinking more about blessings etc

[light quail]

dsword has way more swagger than force

[ripe sky]

nono you dont understand, Fswords are much better, but lack style

[light quail]

styling on a mauler with some well struck duelling hits is always fun

[burnt maple]

lol i mean, sure that counts, why not

[light quail]

that's the best part of playing for fun
weaker gear makes you a better player in the long run imo, more versatile and better with the meta shit when you decide to pick it up

[burnt maple]

yeah, i get that

i just use whatever works best for me. and for me, right now, that's an Illisi w/ Deflector and Slaughter, and a Purg staff with flurry and nexus

[spice veldt]

though other players having pimped out gear reduces the opportunity for practice

i want my solo privates

[formal ridge]

man i hope they fix the whole... having to not kill stuff just so your teammates can also kill stuff problem...

one of the devs said dthey didnt want ot change the misison board but dude... no hard modes is just mind boggling

oh good shock troop is on

[native stirrup]

Oh. They patched out the shirtless option...... now I cant run around with eye tattoos and a blindfold yelling about how I dont need eyes because I am a wizard

Guess I need a new gimmick to be crazy about.

[north cradle]

We lost shirtless and got Skeletogryn. Not worth it at all

[native stirrup]

I suspect the heretics have infiltrated Fatshark* to steal our fun

Unacceptable. Someone call the inquisition D:<

[north cradle]

Fatshit be like

[native stirrup]

They were worshipers of nurgle all along!

[ionic frost]

New veteran shiny:

=)

[shy prairie]

where is my
WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOM

[tight saddle]

what are the purgatus enjoyer feats?

is it really 1 1 1 1 1 2?

[cyan notch]

sure

or 3 first column

[timber bolt]

Anyone use bloodthirsty?

I’ve only ever used purge with Psyker and warp battery is great

Also the blessing that makes the next charge up faster is crazy good

[spice veldt]

not too great on the deimos/obscurus since the crit only lasts for a single swing with some viability on illisi

the consequences of my own actions https://streamable.com/epihy5

[lunar hollow]

ow

[spice veldt]

if only I didn't use my ult moments before and it would've made for a cool save

[lunar hollow]

i had a grenadier gently toss a nade at their feet as i meleed them to death

then a mutie came and pinned me in the flames

that was a very bad moment and i almost alt f4'd

i couldnt dodge cuz of the stagger from the detonation

[spice veldt]

oof

also happens when teammates kill/stagger a bomber early as you're about to whack his ass so his grenade drops and you're just caught in the blast radius

i don't think I've ever been wombo-comboed into fire

[lunar hollow]

i have multiple times

i have a clip where the only reason it happens is because i didnt turn my camera fast enough while dodging

and then i get grabbed by a mutie and tossed into flames and go down

[vestal raven]

grab?

[spice veldt]

it has ghost, but everything else is kinda meh

i would ration your milk bottles

[vestal raven]

milk

[latent loom]

this good?

[spice veldt]

toughness regen speed is very nice; corruption resistance is a bit more niche unless you know you're going into something like a grim mission, as Infested enemies (Poxwalkers, Poxbursters, Poxhounds), monstrosities, and daemoneye sections are the only other sources of corruption off the top of my head

[tawny cobalt]

this is very good, i'd probably have gone for orange tier b4 rerolls but corruption resist and toughness are both just generally nice to have

[obtuse moth]

oof, seems like bad rng if you hit 4k with that

[ionic frost]

and tox flamers =)

good thing they don't have tox bombers...

[spice veldt]

having the bombers be doubled up would be so god damn annoying

[ionic frost]

knowing fatshark they'd let the aoe stack for double damage too...

[vestal raven]

oh god tox bombers

thanks for the nightmares

keep the crits? or gun for peril transfer

[forest coral]

transfer

I dont think vs has a good base crit rate, whilst transfer is unlimited firing at headshot until it hits armor

[obtuse moth]

if you want to keep one of them, flurry is a better one to keep

[spice veldt]

yeah voidstrike only has +30% crit damage by default, so you expect an additional +6% damage with +20% crit chance

[obtuse moth]

i generally try to keep both until i get a second copy of one of the two

then i know which other one i can earn or preserve

[ionic frost]

I'd only use crit on voidestrike if it's warp nexus + blazing memes =)

and I'd want flak + crit chance for perks

that one looks good with transfer peril + warp flurry

[plucky harness]

Anyone have any experience building into Deflector, as in block efficiency perk on the weapon and curios combined with Kenetic Deflection?

[forest coral]

kinetic deflection is enough

you definitely don't need curios or sacrificing perks for it

[plucky harness]

gunners tear through your peril though, so I wondered if having the extra efficiency would help

[spice veldt]

with some dodge-sliding, you'll dodge most of the ranged attacks with deflector covering the gaps

[midnight warren]

Yeah the practical effects of Deflector on a weapon you can infinitely dodge with is a bit niche

[spice veldt]

since you can completely ignore the downside of dodge-slides counting twice towards your dodge limit

[midnight warren]

I would say the only time I've ever seen Deflector as useful is when it was mistakenly bugged into the two newer swords and you didn't need to use a blessing slot for it

[cyan notch]

that doesnt make sense

[midnight warren]

I'd actually be interested in seeing them make a sword variant that actually does have it baked in

[forest coral]

Yeah, don't hold up block and expect to be a tank

[spice veldt]

if we're talking about the usefulness of deflector, then I'd say it's pretty top-tier

especially when diving ranged enemies

[forest coral]

it's more of a cover tool for u to close distance or find actual cover/ revive

[cyan notch]

not useful but when its free its useful?

[spice veldt]

I personally just prefer more DPS so I don't run it

[astral lark]

Does deflector work while you revive people

[spice veldt]

but if I wanted to win games, I'd run deflector

[midnight warren]

Valuable. The value of the free slot to have another blessing outweighs the blessing itself

[forest coral]

for the melee aspect of it, yep

not ranged tho

[spice veldt]

especially when diving 5+ shotgunners

[forest coral]

u can tank alot of pox hits when reviving with kd

[spice veldt]

where a single blast can kill your momentum and prevent you from sliding from a dodge

[midnight warren]

Absolutely depends on your playstyle and I'm speaking for my experience, not everyones

[cyan notch]

but since u say "the practical effects of Deflector on a weapon you can infinitely dodge with is a bit niche" then it doesnt matter you if u have it or not

so i dont see how its suddenly useful when u have it for free

[midnight warren]

I have two hands. I get to carry two items to the checkout. I pick the two most useful items to buy because I only can carry two things. I suddenly grow a third hand and can take the third thing for free.

Am I going to take the third thing? Sure! Would I take it over basically any other ability? No

[cyan notch]

i mean sure

u can say that about any blessing too

yeah its gonna be useful when u get something for free

[spice veldt]

the offensive blessings besides slaughterer are fairly milquetoast

+20% power at >80% peril, a single crit after a special kill, +100% rending on a sword that has 100% damage modifiers for pretty much every armour type except carapace on heavies/specials

[orchid venture]

Alright, that's every single psyker penance done, 2/4

[astral lark]

on melee anyway. PF is just as balance breaking and more

[orchid venture]

Shame that i lost the last run though, but what can you do when both of your ogryns have shields and can't block a sniper shot

Overrun by 6000 dudes, 1 mutie that hated me, and one sniper

[spice veldt]

ye, I just meant the alternatives besides Deflector on the force swords

[plucky harness]

for my playstyle Deflector is a must lol, I take so much more damage if I don't have it. Im going to make a block efficiency build and see how much it can tank 😄

[orchid shadow]

On the subject of shield ogryns, can someone explain the whole I'm-gonna-stand-right-here-in-the-middle-of-everything-and-still-die? I've never tried the shield before so I don't know what the mechanic is. But I just got out of a damnation game where I swear, the ogryn must've had the shield planted 50% of the whole game. I felt it had to be a joke or some sort of troll.

Like, was he bored? We would be standing at the airlock and he'd still be off down a corridor just holding the shield down with no enemies around.

[vestal raven]

yeah transfer peril is gross

thanks

Also how do u even proc rampage on the dueling swords

[spice veldt]

their push-attacks have 6 cleave (it also has the same cleave distribution as their lights)

[vestal raven]

run that with uncanny?

[spice veldt]

i've never really used duelling swords but it sounds like a decent combo

[vestal raven]

ill give it a shot we'll see

go the light attacks have some cleave?

seems like a small amount

[spice veldt]

2 cleave

[vestal raven]

lmfao

[spice veldt]

iirc, the lights on all marks have 2 cleave, though some of the marks have different heavies that have varying cleave values

regardless, the highest cleave on any light/heavy is 2

[vestal raven]

if only it was one more

[spice veldt]

fatshark knew it would be too powerful and limited it to 2 cleave

[elfin nexus]

rampage shred on the mark 5 dueling sword actually works pretty well

its a fun change from force swords

[orchid venture]

Dueling swords walked so the ilisi could sprint at an honestly ludicrous pace compared to dueling swords

[spice veldt]

"psyker melees suck big doodoo pls fix"
"say no more fam"
or something like that

[orchid venture]

p much

I'm kinda wondering how big the update this week is gonna be, can't remember what they've said will be in it

I know new level, that's about it

They'll come out with a massive content drop with new map, 4 brand new weapons, buffs to every underperforming weapon, a reworked ogryn shield, massive engine optimizations, and a free 800 dollar check in the mail for everyone

[cyan notch]

dude stop

youre singlehandedly draining the worlds copium levels to unsustainable levels

[ornate hamlet]

Copium and its derivation hopium are both renewable resources

[tight saddle]

Is damage still the dump stat? I've been gone months.

[vestal raven]

quell speed and warp resist are

[orchid venture]

It's still not a bad purg staff, perfectly serviceable

[safe crystal]

Patch this week? Thats just pure copium

Iirc it was at the end of month, and for Megalodon, thats next week

[orchid venture]

I'm not sure there's any blessings on a purg staff that make or break the weapon, all it really needs is the stats

[tight saddle]

yeah I hated Purg a long time ago, but now that Deimos exists I'm willing to finally craft a Purg, I just forgot most of this game's details when I uninstalled a long time ago.

[safe crystal]

Nexus and flurry at least do something on it, so aim for those

[orchid venture]

There's a new feat made for purg staves now too, it's not like, top tier, but it makes it pretty fun

[tight saddle]

I don't care for Deflector so this made me sad.

[orchid venture]

It's not really like deimos needs anything

It could be grey with stats like that and be a top tier weapon

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike is nice for killing crushers since you'll be relying on your normals quite a lot on the Deimos

[orchid venture]

Yeah, BB is still best for crushers I'm pretty sure, but if they're in your face it's good backup

[tight saddle]

What perk should I replace? I don't know how strong this weapon is, this is the first one I crafted and I'm about to use.

carap for flak?

[spice veldt]

yeah maniac + flak is pretty reliable on melee

the 1st light is the same as the obscurus' 3rd light (deals 2x damage compared to the usual sweeping lights), and the 2nd heavy is a thrust that deals 2.5x damage compared to the usual heavies

[orchid venture]

Nah, honestly I'd just make maniac 25%

[late yew]

Shield special allows you plant shield and block eternally anything. In practice it is almost never useful. His idea was to block most enemies, especially shooters, allowing others to deal with them. But in practice it does ont really work

[orchid venture]

It doesn't really struggle with any flak enemies. Hell, it doesn't struggle with any enemies

[late yew]

wut

Deflector is great

it allows you to be so much more agressive

and guarantee saves

[orchid venture]

I guess maulers can be a problem sometimes

[late yew]

you one shot them with special lol

[spice veldt]

prob easier to one-shot scab ragers with +25% flak with the h2

[orchid venture]

You 1 shot them with special, yeah, but they always seem to come in groups of 3+

[late yew]

so you use 3 specials

[spice veldt]

wonder if you can do the dodge-slide tech with the deimos lights/heavies

[late yew]

[tight saddle]

never needed it to clutch, I get why people like it, but it's not something I'd ever aim for on purpose

[spice veldt]

since doing a special into an enemy won't stop your movement if you're in the middle of a slide

[orchid venture]

Wait, does deflector work while rezzing?

[spice veldt]

nah

[late yew]

So what you doing when pinned down by a bunch of ranged enemeis? Hide and kill them slowly with BB?

[orchid venture]

How does it guarantee saves then

[late yew]

Instead you could face tank them and get into melee

[spice veldt]

dodge-slide into them

[tight saddle]

slide up their buttholes

[vestal raven]

^^^

[late yew]

You can stand in front of downed person and block shots allowing someone else to res him

[spice veldt]

normal ranged enemies don't have nearly enough push-force to prevent you from sliding unlike gunners or reapers

[tight saddle]

and the deimos fucking zooms holy shit just tried it in the meat grinder

no wonder people talk up this weapon lmfao

[orchid venture]

Ah, i thought you were doing the saving in this scenario

All of the force swords have infinite dodges too, they're kinda nuts

[spice veldt]

yeah the deimos has a higher dodge distance than the other two force swords

[orchid venture]

Ilisi is pretty much power sword for psykers too

literally feels like using a bull butcher on Ogryn

[late yew]

While i personally love deimos, illi is way better

Deimos also the best against captains

[orchid venture]

Yeah, deimos is cracked in specific situations, since it can one shot charging muties with a Slaughterer blessings

It's also fantastic for dodge dancing plague ogryns

[normal sequoia]

it also doesn't physically block enemies, if they aggro at someone behind the shield. They will just walk straight through the planted shield ogryn.

bosses too

[forest coral]

They block something alright

Their team mates trying to shoot out the door they are blocking

[feral topaz]

"Get down mr heretic!"

[orchid venture]

But like, even if Ilisi was an average weapon, you can pair it with the quell=toughness feat and get back 50% shields at will

That alone makes it stupid good

[normal sequoia]

bless their hearts, since I know they're just trying to be helpful

but shield still needs a major rework

[forest coral]

The saddest thing I’ve witnessed was a shieldgryn who didn’t know how to plant shield and got juggled around by a daemonhost

But ye

The whole shield thing is non functional atm

[orchid venture]

Oh i should also say, if it's been that long since you last played, trauma staff was also buffed by alot

[forest coral]

Or it doesn’t really belong in a tide game

[normal sequoia]

Vermintide 2 shields also took some time to be made into less shit, iirc. They're still meh now, but a lot more useful

I foresee the slab shield being the same down the road

[forest coral]

Hopefully

[spice veldt]

the no-stamina cost block doesn't exactly promote aggressive play

[forest coral]

Even if it’s buffed to point of kruber sns it’ll be miles better than what it is atm

And that’s like a ‘support’ weapon

[orchid venture]

I want a shield on Zealot still, that'd be fun

Fulfill my paladin fantasy with the sword and board

[forest coral]

I do that by playing paladin in ff14

[orchid venture]

Enjoy your new buffs in 6.4

[gilded magnet]

which perk should i roll?

[tight saddle]

I just want a Bretonnian Longsword Force Sword

That's my dream.

[orchid venture]

My brain says unyielding to flak, my gut says maniac to even stronger maniac

[crude trout]

does a mutie throwing you to the bomber fire count as wombo combo?

[spice veldt]

perhaps

[gilded magnet]

hmmm, ill see how this thing plays maybe first

and how about a mutie throwing you into a dh 😛

[spice veldt]

perrrhaaaps

[crude trout]

wait just want to confirm, wombo combo is the term used when a move is used that combos to another , distinct unit's move right?

[orchid venture]

One time a mutie threw me, and a sniper shot me out of the fucking air

I felt what a clay pigeon feels

[crude trout]

alley-oop

wonder if anyone here was thrown by a mutant into the air, then shot by a sniper, then fell down from the railings of the map

[orchid venture]

I've definitely been just straight up thrown off the map by a mutie before too

there just wasn't somewhere safe to throw me, so he got fucking rid of me "I don't want to play with you no more" style

[gilded ember]

by far the best force sword i got

[tight saddle]

you should have seen the Beta when Mutants were a whole basketball team and could throw you at another Mutant and he'd catch and they'd just toss you back and forth all while everything else is shooting/burning/everythinging you.

They'd dribble you a bit before passing you to the next Mutant.

[vestal raven]

put slaughter on that and u have a hell of a sword

then swap out carapace for maniac dmg

[lucid horizon]

is this worth?

[gilded ember]

might do that but i like deflector

[lethal cave]

First orange on my Psyker after getting to 30
Tips/changeup advice?

[graceful eagle]

sprint for flak or maniac and Uncanny strike for Slaughterer

[ornate abyss]

thoughts

[gilded ember]

never used those, always went with Force sword or Axe

[ornate hamlet]

Finesse and penetration a bit low, but uncanny 4 is a really good blessing to have there

[fading galleon]

skill issue, unfortunately. 50% using the special too much, 50% using the shield in the first place. but catfish told us ogryn mains that the combat team wants to rework it down the line.

[ornate abyss]

uncanny 4 is one of the best blessings to have on this? What are the others

[ornate hamlet]

Rampage

[ornate abyss]

there a list on these things?

[uneven drift]

If thing have power blessings, take them. If not, take dmg and whatever blessing suits you best in your mind.

Never take +weakspot/crit dmg at perk/blessings tho. It's utter trash.

[vestal raven]

by how much would u buff these

to make them viable

[ornate hamlet]

It's more that the way the game calculates the bonus is annoying

But they'd need to be buffed pretty hard to be good

[safe crystal]

Depending on weapon, they become comparable to the armor damage modifiers around 200-300%

[uneven drift]

It needs a rework, not a buff. Because you need to make weakspot/crit dmg absurdly high on weapons for bonus be viable.

In current system with current values any weapon with high weaskpot/crit dmg will still benefit less from bonus than from +armortype dmg.

So like you need to buff base values as said on around 200-300% for bonus step in competition. And then if you want some weapon lean more toward crit/weakspot dmg you need to nerf just a base dmg values and power blessings most likely if they are avaliable for weapon.

So current calculations doesn't really allow you to make any good changes to weakspot/crit dmg imho.

[ornate hamlet]

Crit damage should at least be the equivalent of armor damage multipliers, just on crit

Specially since stuff like +25% carapace also makes your crit 25% better against carapace by buffing the whole value

While 10% crit damage makes the crit addition better by 10% instead of the whole number resulting from a crit

And I'd love for it to work like armor damage, so the player would have an inconsistent general bonus to enemies or a consistent bonus to a specific type

[gilded ember]

oh i got one question

what are the best blessings for Purgatus

[safe crystal]

Warp flurry and warp nexus

[gilded ember]

this mine atm waiting for a better nexus blessing

[strong thicket]

The whole dmg when hitting weakspot or a crit

25% on flak counts on any flak hit. 10% weakspot does not seem that big of a deal on all enemies considering you also need to hit weakspots

Same for cri dmg considering it's a chance

[late yew]

16% warp resist lol

exploding after 1 valley

[ornate abyss]

"I'm buzzing"

[gilded ember]

No lol

[white cedar]

take warp furry sticker out and get a new one XD

[gilded ember]

Only if you're bad :P

[white cedar]

I think it can do 2-3 full charge. if you are not spamming it then that's fine

[gilded ember]

4 to 5

With warp res per stack

[sharp kraken]

You know. One thing I cannot appreciate darktide enough is how much better the peril system is compared to vermintide

Nothing used to infuriate me more that having to take damage when quelling, and instantly blowing up on 100%. Even worse If you tried to play unchained

[graceful eagle]

looool just dont take damage 4head

[ornate hamlet]

I got this for free

Which blessings should I change?

[rotund flint]

hammerblow I guess, devastating strike is more usseful for horde

[white cedar]

"Impact" make mob sway, right?

[uneven drift]

Yes, it's stagger.

[thick beacon]

I wish FS made the difference between the 2 clearer (or just not have both Impact and Stagger)

[graceful eagle]

on psyker? i woudnt

[ornate hamlet]

Stats are nice, perk and blessing nah

Maybe you can gamba

[fresh steeple]

only two 380s?

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-peasants-gif-12617726

that Voidstrike's distribution is really nice

not perfect, but close to it

[vestal raven]

upgrade this or else

[fresh steeple]

well?

https://tenor.com/view/yzma-peasant-the-emperors-new-groove-were-through-ha-gif-15125465

[frozen osprey]

I just got the force greatsword in the randomizer bros. it has all horizontal attacks 👀

[fresh steeple]

there's a randomizer that shows unreleased stuff?

[frozen osprey]

yesh

well. sort of

[fresh steeple]

I mean weapons specifically. I know there's something that can show cosmetics

[frozen osprey]

this is the only unreleased weapon it's seemed to work with so far

[fresh steeple]

link pls

[frozen osprey]

it's the same mod. it can randomize weapons too

but the force great sword is the only one that seems to work

[frozen osprey]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/90

[grizzled jasper]

Finally psyker subclass

[fresh steeple]

hmm I see. How do you know it has nothing but horizontals? It actually gives you a copy of the weapon to use?

[frozen osprey]

yes it actually worked in the psykanium

[fresh steeple]

huh. kk.

[frozen osprey]

heavy attack is two sweeps perfectly horizontal and light combo is two at an angle coming down

special activation seems to work the same as the illisi

[ornate hamlet]

No screenshot?

[frozen osprey]

making them rn

[ornate hamlet]

Yooooooo

That goes hard

[frozen osprey]

fr

i dont have any way to record so sorry i didnt take a video if it in use 😔

[fresh steeple]

classified as a power weapon instead of a force weapon?

[frozen osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it built peril and charged just like the other force swords

[fresh steeple]

probably a visual glitch like all the others, then

[frozen osprey]

it is also clearly unfinished it uses 1 handed animations

[ornate hamlet]

Lol ogryn cleaver symbol in the bottom right

[grizzled jasper]

Didn’t they say we aren’t getting any new weapons this coming update

[fresh steeple]

correct

this is definitely nowhere close to being a released weapon

it's just a ghost in the machine

[frozen osprey]

yeah for some reason the cleaver seems to be the default icon for when a weapon isnt intended to be used

[frozen osprey]

sadly yes

[frozen osprey]

i cant wait to use it tho i love big swords

[ornate hamlet]

Give force-butcher

[grizzled jasper]

I mean… they could break something and accidentally release it

[frozen osprey]

best i can do is a force axe

[frozen osprey]

knowing my luck i'd be the one person to not nab it up in time

[ornate hamlet]

Can you do force-shovel

[frozen osprey]

no ):

[vestal raven]

what a fucking start

whats the other blessing on this thing

[fresh steeple]

?

who would use a heavy laspistol on a Psyker?

[vestal raven]

uhh cuz why not

goober

[fresh steeple]

your second blessing should therefore be Speedload

[ionic frost]

Reassuringly Accurate =)

[fresh steeple]

Run 'N' Gun, gosh

[ionic frost]

stupid 79 ammo

[fresh steeple]

actually has one more point than the mod stat says it does

[ionic frost]

Is that last shot that uses 1 ammo half power?

[fresh steeple]

I like those

I have a few 381s+ for the novelty

[ionic frost]

oo nice

Note: I've had this laspistol for two months but haven't used it yet. =)

Laspistol is funny on preacher with attack speed boost from low health.

Hard to do a single shot with full-auto mod... =D

Have to let go of mouse button really quickly.

[cobalt narwhal]

I don’t play psyker as much as the other classes so I’ve got no clue on perks and stuff for the weapons. Any general rules of thumb I should consider? Currently grinding out levels

This is in regards to staffs and force swords

[frozen osprey]

rule number 1: have fun (:

[tidal scaffold]

this is the same energy as git gud, but positive

[gloomy yarrow]

Run 1 or 3 as your lv 5 perks

[cobalt narwhal]

Well yeah, I never really cared much for the whole perk thing much till my zealot, my vet and Ogryn are totally just random and unmodded in that regard

I figure zealot and Psyker probably care a little more for perks and modifiers than the other two

[tidal scaffold]

what about 10-30?

zealots perks can completely change up their playstyle, and yea i'm getting the feeling psyker is similar

[gloomy yarrow]

30 I’d say 2 or 3 but if you’re a fucking dipshit like me take 1

All of them can work but quicken needs the most effort

[cobalt narwhal]

See uh, these numbers don’t make a bunch of sense to me? I don’t have em memorized or anything

Maybe I should look at an online tutorial or something

[gloomy yarrow]

The number is what talent you take

[tidal scaffold]

does the 2 warp charges gained from quicken stack with Essence harvest and you get 60% toughness regem?

[gloomy yarrow]

I don’t have the names memorized

[tidal scaffold]

i'm looking at the screen right now

[gloomy yarrow]

No

Essence harvest is a single time buff unlike vets only lv5 perk

[tidal scaffold]

oh man i just saw kinetic barrage i cant wait to get that, i really wanna do a full brain burst psyker

with a bit of staff

[cobalt narwhal]

Oh I wasn’t talking about feats, I was talking about weapon perks and stuff

[gloomy yarrow]

I wouldn’t recommend it, having 6 warp charges is much better

[cobalt narwhal]

Good to know though

[gloomy yarrow]

Name a weapon

[tidal scaffold]

its a different tree than the 6 warp charges

[cobalt narwhal]

The deimos force sword

[dim lava]

Sibling, what should I change on this trauma staff ?

[cobalt narwhal]

Been my go-to as I level

[tidal scaffold]

i can do both

6 warp charges is 25 and lower peril and faster brain burst is 30

[lunar hollow]

i would probably swap warp nexus to rending shockwave and crit chance to unarmored (easier time killing dreg bruisers)

[dim lava]

Thank you very much, Omnisiah bless ❤️

[lunar hollow]

np

[fresh steeple]

Nexus to Rending Shockwave, Crit Chance to Flak Armored

[gloomy yarrow]

My b

Forgot which one that was

[fresh steeple]

Unarmored is also fine, I guess, but a max damage max charge staff will handle most unarmored targets in one hit