psyker-class

[safe crystal]

Trauma is doodoo until you reach higher levels

[spice veldt]

in particular, the trauma staff is kinda meh at lower ratings because it has some wide stat scaling

[vestal rose]

turn exorcist into blazing spirit and have a meme sword
run it with wildfire
(its not good but its silly)

[formal ridge]

is bloodthirsty only the first hit in a swing?

[spice veldt]

you gain a guaranteed crit after killing an enemy with your special on the next swing

[tardy trellis]

should i switch out warp nexus for terrifying barrage

[spice veldt]

it disappears after swinging once

[safe crystal]

No. Nexus is BiS

[formal ridge]

so the heavy>light combo would work?

[plush glacier]

I wouldn't waste plasteel at level 16

[tardy trellis]

ive been grinding

i have too much

but noted

[plush glacier]

no such thing

[spice veldt]

i guess

[plush glacier]

you will want it later

[spice veldt]

you can also just spam special-heavies to chain crits on a horde

I'd personally swap out crit chance for +maniac or +flak

[plush glacier]

to answer your original question, terrifying barrage is generally bad

[tardy trellis]

yeah i figured that out because i used to use that staff

was getting less damage

anyways, swap out shred for trauma on my ripper?

[plush glacier]

I refer to my earlier comment on spending plasteel before 30

[tardy trellis]

mkay

[spice veldt]

my rationale being that +unyielding has its use against reapers and the plague ogryn

and I generally don't like RNG-dependent damage like crits

oh wait by ripper you were referring to the chainsword

[safe crystal]

Nexus flurry is BiS for surge iirc, so thats.. okay?

[spice veldt]

I personally don't like stagger blessings; shred at least has the potential of synergizing with devastating strike although that's been nerfed and a bit meh

[vestal raven]

+stamina curios are the way

who needs +wound

[plush glacier]

3 health curio club

[spice veldt]

with regards to performance, the Illisi MKV and Deimos MKIV force swords are considered the best melee weapons on Psyker

• The illisi having a power sword special
• The deimos' first light and second heavy being stabs that deal extra damage (1st light deals 2x damage, the 2nd heavy deals 2.5x damage)

[ornate hamlet]

(just level up more before worrying about optimal gear lol)

[late yew]

I hate how peril hungry trauma iss

literally can do only 4 fully charged attacks

before reaching 100%

Ignore stats before you hit 30

[shadow wigeon]

You're pretty close to peak gear there as it is

[late yew]

Playing with 3 zealots pretending to be vets was something

[spice veldt]

love the peril for quietude

[tall heron]

Question, would you up the blue one to replace this

How critical is the 76 vs 74 in burn

[spice veldt]

you are able to apply 1 extra stack of soulblaze at 76% (from 14 stacks max to 15 stacks max iirc)

[tall heron]

wondering if there would be increase in dmg... or just so minor upgrade that not worth

[tardy trellis]

talking to a psyker and then he hits you with this stare

crackus headus

[shadow wigeon]

This is a bit annoying and spreadsheety, but Trauma benefits more from Flurry than other staffs.

Trauma is (roughly) 21 to charge, 5 to shoot = 26. Flurry speeds up and discounts the charge portion, so you can get it down to 11+5=16 for a full charge.

so firing off some partially charged shots is at least kind of worth it, especially if you can have 5 stacks up by the time you start smashing a horde and getting battle med procs. Only 2 procs to fully refund a full charge and then some.

It's not crazy but it's enough that you can sometimes spam full charges if you short-cast the first few to build stacks.

Not much use against single targets, however

[shadow wigeon]

I believe the 15th stacks adds another 15% or so damage, so it's not a small jump, but you'll also only be able to notice it (if you can at all) on the very biggest targets - ogryns, bosses, maybe muties if you flamed them for some reason.

[shadow wigeon]

The difference is pretty small. Half a meter of range, 1 more burn stack, more warp res. Everything is good about that blue one, but it's also a very minor upgrade. I would upgrade it eventually because why not, when you are satisfied with your other gear, or have mats to burn.

[shadow wigeon]

If you are running Nexus on your purg staff, then you're getting to max stacks more quickly / more often. So in theory it does matter more for Nexus builds

[tall heron]

most likely the roll will be worse than 4T nexus, so highly likely 😄

[near gale]

So, uh, how bad is this Trauma I got from Brunt?

[wide tiger]

how bad do you think it is

[kind jay]

sacrifice it to hadron

you know you want to

what's the worst that could happen

[spice veldt]

it's fine

I'd ideally want 80/80 charge/radius but it's pretty close

I personally treat damage as my dump stat so it's whatevs

[dusky smelt]

which sword is best rn?

[kind jay]

deimos or illy

[meager cedar]

Deimos for single target, illisi for multi target, so it depends on what you want more

[near gale]

I wasn't sure, tbh

Unlike this staff, which I know has a mid burn stat, and horrible cloud radius

[near gale]

At least Deimos, with slaughterer, works very well for hordes in a pinch... unlike the obscurus force sword...

It's so sad how they just released 2 drastically better force swords, instead of making the Obscurus better in some way...

[tropic vigil]

had first toxic match since playing. some douche wanted to cry i was running las pistol.

sorry i dont want to run purg every game

[spice veldt]

obscurus works fine for hordes

it's the single-target that's missing from it compared to the deimos

[near crow]

Does Transfer Peril on the Voidstrike staff not trigger Quietitude's toughness regen?

[near gale]

I've been running my surge staff to get me back into the staff gameplay(since I was gunpsykering for quite a bit when they made warp unleashed give 10-25% damage)... I want to learn the Trauma staff, though

[near gale]

Like hell it does. That thing is horrible, for hordes.

I feel like an Antax without bromentum is better for hordes, than that thing was...

[north cradle]

I played when Obscurus was the only Force Sword. It wasn't good for hordes

[near gale]

Give it t4 decimator and headtaker for +75% total power and that makes the up to 1.3 cleave become 2.275 on the Antax

[north cradle]

It had Slaughterer too. It just had terrible moveset

[near gale]

I ran the Antax or Dueling Sword, back when the Obscurus was the only force sword

[plucky harness]

Im new to playing a Psyker, how does the Deflector blessing hold up in higher difficulty (force swords)?

[spice veldt]

light->heavy works fine, and it has the same stats as every other force swords

and I ran the obscurus pre-patch for 400 hours

[north cradle]

Deflector is fine for higher difficulties, just use it between cover

I like using Deflector so I can recover Toughness through Quietitude

[spice veldt]

if you're light spamming, then sure the hordeclear is worse

but you should separate the feel of a weapon from its actual performance

[near gale]

It was more the attack angles were not good, compared to so many other options... and the only reason I would bring it would be if I ran the purgatus... which is why I never got into the purgatus staff

[plucky harness]

thanks! Im only up to playing Malice at my level and I find it really fun to use. makes closing on shooters safe and gives you heaps of peril to quell for Toughness like you say

[north cradle]

It has the same stats, but the moveset is inferior to either of the new Force Swords.

[spice veldt]

I'm aware

but if we're specifically comparing hordeclear between the deimos and obscurus, they are approximately the same

which is the statement that I'm tackling

[near gale]

And I still feel the same way about the Voidstrike: Meh...

[north cradle]

For horde clear? Yeh that sounds right

[spice veldt]

this is the statement I'm responding to, for context

[north cradle]

Enemies can interrupt your heavy windup which is the problem

[spice veldt]

true, but I always just spammed dodges

[near gale]

I'm pretty sure the horde clear on the deimos(because the attack angles on the slashes are better) allows for stagging more horde enemies faster which allows for better and safer hordeclear...

[spice veldt]

the windup of the force sword heavies is quite fast

since most of the lag comes at the end

I'm also talking about light->heavy

not the shitty ass light combo

[near gale]

I will give you this: I never forced myself to learn how to horde clear with the obscurus

[north cradle]

Doesn't the Deimos have the same first heavy as the Obscurus's second heavy?

[spice veldt]

nah

deimos doesn't share anything except the light stab as far as I can tell?

i think

obscurus' heavies are the overhead and the left-to-right diagonal

[north cradle]

Yeh

[spice veldt]

obscurus shares the 2nd heavy with the illisi

[near gale]

I also like the Deimos having a higher dodge distance, since that gives more incentive to use it.

compared to the illisi

[spice veldt]

though they changed the fucking timing on that heavy

yeah the dodge distance is nice

[shadow wigeon]

Deflector gets even better at higher difficulties, where the ranged threat gets even stronger. You only really need to use it a few times per mission, but as you've found out: it lets you close distance with a shooter, or save yourself if shotgunners spawn abruptly

[spice veldt]

I've got a dodge macro set up for spamming dodges just for running around

[near gale]

It allows for some funky movement, with the infinite dodges

You gotta be aware of your surroundings, tho, or else: Oops, off the cliff you go...

[spice veldt]

i could never

[north cradle]

I like how quickly the Illisi deletes Mutants, but I lament how it doesn't work that well on Dreg Ragers due to the Rager's attack pattern potentially screwing up your swings

[spice veldt]

if I simply forget the times that I've backed off a cliff, I've never fallen off

the illisi is able to chain-stagger all ragers with light-specials

just spam light-specials and you won't get hit

[north cradle]

Oh, real shit?

[spice veldt]

ye

[north cradle]

Neat

[spice veldt]

is absolutely awesome

[near gale]

That's one of the reasons I keep t4 deflector on my Illisi, the other being I don't have a better blessing to put on it on top of t3 slaughterer

[spice veldt]

that's the one thing that made me notice that it was faster than the power sword

since the power sword can't do that by spamming light-specials (w/o PC)

[near gale]

The illisi also can murdicate a lot of enemies with the special, until they nerf it. >.>

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

abuse it till it lasts

[near gale]

I feel like they should nerf it, a little.

[shadow wigeon]

I tried Unstable for awhile - and it's really cool on Demios - but Deflector is so good for clutching, and playing more aggressively

[spice veldt]

yup, infinite dodges + the amount of horde clear is a bit much

[near gale]

I've been really enjoying the deimos when playing with my surge staff

Also the dodging on the deimos makes me want to take a 3rd toughness curio, instead of taking 2 toughness and 1 3 stamina curio for sprinting

[spice veldt]

I'm always paranoid about not having any insta-delete hordeclear, so I've just been running illisi with whatever staff I bring

[near gale]

I got to learn, because of getting tagged a couple times on damnation, how much the full 60% sniper resist does for a psyker with no bonus hp.

[spice veldt]

yeah you could certainly go for 3 toughness esp if you run kinetic deflection

[north cradle]

I think Deflector got fixed with snipers

And it's the same cost as would be an Ogryn blocking it with the Slab Shield

[spice veldt]

damage resistances stack multiplicatively, so 60% sniper res (3x 20%) results in (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.2) = 51.2% damage taken

AKA a 48.8% damage reduction

[near gale]

I haven't ran that in a long while. I've been running kinetic shield. The +3 stamina curio helps kinetic deflection a lot, as well

[warped kernel]

semi related, but do the special force sword attacks count as warp attacks for the penance?

[north cradle]

Yeh

[warped kernel]

oh really? nice

[spice veldt]

i get guardbroken too much to not bring +stam with kinetic shield

I don't think I've ever been downed from being guardbroken, but it is very startling

[near gale]

Since stamina count and block efficiency affect peril generation from kinetic deflection, while peril resistance doesn't...

[north cradle]

That's how I did it. Was in a Hi5 Repair mission at the power station, and I asked my teammates to let me farm the end section

[spice veldt]

I think they did update it so that inner tranq affects kinetic deflection

[north cradle]

I got it done in two missions

[spice veldt]

lemme see if I can find the patch notes

[near gale]

I mean the fact it didn't was stupid af, lol

[spice veldt]

o

yeah, especially for how long that went

[near gale]

So, uh, how's this purgatus staff? >.>'

[spice veldt]

though at the same time, your peril can absorb quite a lot at its base

[north cradle]

I don't think that Purgatus counts for warp attacks though

[spice veldt]

soulblaze kills should, since they at the very least count for warp absorption

[north cradle]

I wish I could swap Warp Resist and Damage, but it's gud

[near gale]

Same

Question: For the Purgatus do I want to start with half charged, for hordes?

[north cradle]

If using Warp Flurry, I'd say spam the first two, then you can fully charge the next two

So Mouse1/Mouse0 as quickly as possible

[near gale]

I can't remember if I have warp flurry for the purgatus, tbh.

This is, sadly, my best staff.

[north cradle]

Yeh this is what I got lol

Muh newest Surge Staff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1108254206072213555/image.png

Need more Quell Speed there sir

Especially on a Surge Staff, that'll chew through your Peril

[near gale]

I've been using the peril resist feat with it

so that doesn't tend to be too bad of an issue

[fallow falcon]

Should I reroll flak or maniac here?

[north cradle]

Maniac, swap to Carapace

Your best asset against Maniac enemies is the fact you can stunlock them anyway

Video game developers figured out long ago that lightning damage should deal bonus damage to metallic or metal-armoured enemies

[shadow wigeon]

I would keep maniac. It gets you into 1+1crit kills for dreg ragers.
I find flak overkill on Surge. You already 1 shot scab shotgunner, and 2 shot scab ragers w/o it, I beleive.

[near gale]

Does Transfer Peril even do anything on the Trauma staff's aoe blast?

[shadow wigeon]

No, it's just for LMB

[near gale]

rip

the 3 blessings I have for the trauma staff, in my pool are in the t4 tab: rending shockwave and surge, and in the t2 tab: sustained fire

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma has a lot of blessings, it can be very expensive to roll a perfect one 😐

[vestal raven]

u sure it doesnt work for charged shot? sure felt like it did when i had it on

[spice veldt]

probably just battle meditation proccing

[near gale]

^

[spice veldt]

or kinetic flayer

[normal sequoia]

Psykerbros, what blessings and perks are the most desirable for Ilisi and Deimos force swords?

Like, I am guessing it's the usual flak/unarmoured/maniac and Slaughterer like with any other weapon, but what about the second blessing? Or are there any other builds you recommend?

[primal plume]

God i hate purgatus so much its unreal

[near gale]

People like unstable power, but, I like deflector as the 2nd blessing myself

[normal sequoia]

I see. Any thoughts on Blazing Spirit btw? I get some really conflicting opinions on that one. Some people say the Soulblaze stacks are too weak, while others say the opposite and that it's really good and effective.

[safe crystal]

For the melee weapons, they kill whatever they hit too fast for blazing spirit to do anything. Theres a trauma build using blazing spirit, but you'd need to ask people who play trauma more

[near gale]

Probably depends on what enemy gets the soulblaze, but, other options will generally pay off more reliably than that one will imo.

[normal sequoia]

alright

thanks guys

[kind jay]

illisi has a third option in bloodthirsty

very strong in mixed

[ornate hamlet]

Use a laspistol like two other psykers I have seen

One of them is in the mirror

[dusky smelt]

i hate the fact that surge exists

[long wharf]

okay guys, what perk should I put on this?

[forest coral]

Maniac is a must

[long wharf]

why not unyielding, since it's already high?

[forest coral]

Basically yeah

Perfect scenario would be unyielding+ maniac

[edgy kite]

Is there a reason to NOT pick Ascendant Blaze over Kinetic barrage when running purgatus?

[forest coral]

You need maniac to hit one tap bp iirc

[edgy kite]

Like, is the damage that ascendant blaze puts out when used with max warp charges, noticable? i've never really used it.

[forest coral]

So purg + kinetic is probably one of the most flexible all round builds

Since purg covers close horde clear whilst kinetic leaves u flexibility to deal with elites quickly

But ascendant blaze u focus much more into horde clearing

[edgy kite]

Yeah i prefer Kinetic, lets me nuke big boys quickly and doesn't also dump my charges

Fuck it then, I'll just stick with Kinetic, cheers

Purgs good enough on horde clear on its own anyway

[forest coral]

One thing that ascendant does very well as well is just nuke entire roaming bands of shooters but it’s a bit more situational

like through walls or any cover

[edgy kite]

Yeah that's fine, i use deflector to close the gap anyway, or let the vet deal with any stray shooters

[cyan notch]

i only use barrage for shock gauntlet

otherwise ab

[obtuse moth]

blazing spirit builds are useable but worse than direct damage builds on staves, they don't do much of anything on swords

[lunar hollow]

i am a big fan of kinetic barrage if im not running purg (i almost never am)

dont like all my charges being eaten

[edgy kite]

Thats what puts me off about AB, dumps your charges

[obtuse moth]

its better if your build only need 3 stacks to delete a horde

[cyan notch]

yea but its fine enough with communion and the 10% from ab

and maunal bbing

[obtuse moth]

ascendant blaze yes you can use it for horde clearing but thats not really why you would take it on purge, itd be for its range and spike, on ranged enemies and large groups elites/specials

[edgy kite]

I guess AB just doesn't fit my playstyle

[obtuse moth]

and yes the damage is noticeable if you have 6 stacks, its literally double the damage of 4 stacks

which means it kills a lot of things that 4 stacks either won't kill or will take much much longer to

being able to delete rooms of shooters is very handy with ab, but it definitely is a different playstyle

[analog agate]

Which one?

[edgy kite]

Why didn't you screenshot

[analog agate]

Im on my phone. But now that your bring it up… I don’t know. I am using discord on my pc too haha

[ornate hamlet]

[edgy kite]

Anyway

first one imo

Although it's negligible the difference between the two, they'd both work fine honestly

One charges faster with less warp resist, the other charges a bit slower with more warp resist

so they'd probably play about the same

[lusty pilot]

Hey is anybody down to help me with the Malleus Monstroum Penance?

[obtuse moth]

i can prolly help

[restive slate]

Crit damage to Crit chance then you got a fire voidstrike

[formal ridge]

its a melk I havent bought yet

[restive slate]

Oh and the Warp Nexus blessing too, whatevs its called now

[edgy kite]

I wouldn't buy it tbh

[restive slate]

Ah if no T4 maybe hold off

[obtuse moth]

dont buy

[formal ridge]

ty

[edgy kite]

Blazing spirit is ass, and the damage is llow

You want queel speed to be the dump stat

[obtuse moth]

not good perks or synergy

you wouldnt want quell speed to be dump stat if you're running blazing spirit and warp nexus fwiw

[restive slate]

If you're using for fun and not seriously then MAYBE

But prioritise a good Voidstrike build first

[shadow wigeon]

For da force sword

At best, you're applying 4 stacks every 10 hits or so, so it will be quite random when it applies. (that's if you go for +crit and give up +damage). most enemies will be dead before you apply the soul blaze.

4 stacks of soul blaze, on a single target is pretty weak. You boost soul blaze with Slaughter +power, but then you're killing more thing in 1 or 2 hits, which means fewer soul blaze.

It just doesn't do very much.

If you run it with Shred, you will apply alot! of soul blaze, but without boosting the power (which you give up by choosing Shred), it really won't do that much damage.

It is a novelty, for now.

[obtuse moth]

thats on swords ^ on staves it can be different esp with wildfire and ab

[shadow wigeon]

I run wildfire with Purg and I love it
But can't make Blazing work on sword

[restive slate]

Wildfire kinda fun though not optimal. Having constant burning enemies on screen hehe

I feel Purgatus is the only one that can make full use of Wildfire

[obtuse moth]

wildfire is pretty ideal for blazing spirit stave builds

[restive slate]

It helps but I feel no blaze staves kill a lil better

[shadow wigeon]

I'm back and forth about it. Ultimately I keep it over battery because I like that in a clutch where I am flaming a horde, but have to switch to melee, the wildfire will keep spreading, and keep proccin my Slaughter stacks.

[restive slate]

Saying this, I do have a blazing Voidstrike alternative

[obtuse moth]

its also fine for lazy AB builds that you want to fire more often or cover more than half a wave

[shadow wigeon]

Also, I frankly like that it just keeps killing things off map, in spawns, around corners etc.

Just fun

[obtuse moth]

4 stacks is still more than effective enough for horde clear, i generally get too agressive with stacking modifiers and kill things too fast for the fire to hop targets

[restive slate]

That with Purgatus or other blaze build too?

[shadow wigeon]

Purg

[restive slate]

Yea Purg Wildfire is good

I kinda want a cryo staff now...

[obtuse moth]

sure, but different feats are optimal in different situations and builds, and there are loadouts where wildfire is optimal

[restive slate]

Wildfire helps my Soulblaze Voidstrike set the whole horde on fire

If not I never notice the effects haha

[obtuse moth]

are you doing it? lame to ask for help then not respond when people offer

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[forest coral]

Infested, unarmoured I think.

flurry and the one that does brittleness

[karmic delta]

My main staff

[restive slate]

Mine has carapace4 and unyielding4, don't know which to change

[karmic delta]

I do feel that it has no dump stats. I have T4 Rending Shockwave so I dont go for Flak for my armor perk but Carapace.

[forest coral]

Carapace on trauma

[restive slate]

When you're tired of BB-ing haha

[karmic delta]

I can pretty much put Crushers on stunlock with it

[karmic delta]

I think switch Unyielding. It does poor damage against that armor type. And you're better of BB'ing Monstrosities than Trauma it underneath.

[latent loom]

is this good?

havent played in ages

[kind jay]

it's not but it'll work until you get something better

[cyan notch]

decent

u can put slaughterer on and bam ur shredding hordes

[kind jay]

switch the crit damage to maniac probably

[restive slate]

Roger that, thanks

[spice veldt]

with the caveat of the beast of nurgle which takes twice more explosion damage

[latent loom]

i got 25% maniac dmg

[orchid shadow]

Any tips for the assassination train map on damnation as a Surge psyker? Or is it just pretty much full time add control?

[forest coral]

Melee most of the time with most trash hordes, shock shooters and elites

when in doubt go back to melee

kinetic barrage or ab both work depending on your playstyle

[shadow wigeon]

If there is no dedicated horde clear, then you need to prioritize that. If there is, melee the boss when there are no elites around.

[obtuse moth]

kite boss back to respawn point, its much easier to deal with the specials there than the middle wall in the back and easier to recover if someone goes down

[ember hornet]

smh not a quicken user

[obtuse moth]

just make sure people hide behind the pillar instead of sitting there for 5 minutes letting the boss shoot at them

[forest coral]

quicken deez

[orchid shadow]

Okay, sounds simple enough. Was trying to figure what to do on my last try on the map. We were kinda separate in 2 x 2 because of the hoard and I had chosen to stay with the shield Ogryn since he was alone in the corner with the boss and a crap load of pox walkers. Went down to a sniper. 😦

[obtuse moth]

prolly a mistake to support the shield ogryn, doubt you'll get much support in return if theyre turtling

[orchid shadow]

Ohhhh, I was wondering what the zealot was doing back there, he stayed there for the first 20 seconds of the fight before jumping in.

[obtuse moth]

just save your F for if the ogryn gets disabled while huddling

[obtuse moth]

ye, iave never had any issue getting people to go there if i call it out before we go down and put a marker there ( i always refer to it as the respawn point)

i also hit the explosive barrel right away so it doesnt go off later

a corner is also a much better place to put a medkit

than where you are getting hit from every side

[forest coral]

biggest mistake you can make using a surge staff is thinking you're 24/7 support

you have access to some of the best melee in the game + bb

dont go shocking hordes or you'll have a bad time

[ember hornet]

biggest mistake using the surge staff is using the staff too much

[obtuse moth]

are you running ascendant blaze or barrage @orchid shadow ?

[orchid shadow]

Barrage for trying to get specials as quick as possible

[karmic delta]

Someone told me that if you're using Surge. You'll be using Melee 90% of the time. Which I agree.

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, for the fight I was mainly meleeing and BB, with some Surge to do some extra tagging so I can see damaged health bars.

[spice veldt]

yeah positioning might just be the other missing part then

I have zero trust in my teammates to control the spawns, so after the few seconds when the boss spawns, I run towards where the enemies are spawning and whack their asses

best to do it as soon as possible so that they don't spread around

[karmic delta]

well, this is interesting

[ornate hamlet]

clown pants

[karmic delta]

listen here. I aint buying a full set of it to not wear it

[iron garnet]

Clown pants

[karmic delta]

And its "Privateer Trousers"

NOT CLOWN PANTS

[orchid shadow]

I'd actually buy the clown pants if they bring back the shirtless option officially, so it'd look like I was just running around in pajamas.

[forest coral]

only thing it missing is big oversized red shoes

[iron garnet]

need to go squeak squeak too

[karmic delta]

look I'm playing a space wizard and I will be proud of it

this shit fire 🔥

[iron garnet]

Clown space wizard

... aren't those just the Eldar harlequins

[karmic delta]

Privateer space wizard

literally lore accurate that Psykers wear the flashiest clothing imaginable

[ornate hamlet]

ayo, terrifying barrage and stamina tho

[forest coral]

still a chance to be best in slot staff

good luck on the upgrades

it do be like that

also if in doubt

Blessings you really want are Flurry and nexus

but purg kinda works with anything tbh

yup

[obtuse moth]

I'd say if you're doing it the conventional way, focus on handling the specialistsfrom one door rather than trying to cover both completely from perfectly in the middle. Snipers will be rough you to get if you don't have someone handling horde clear

[forest coral]

perks wise, i personally went crit chance and unyielding

but im sure there are other variations out there

yep, now just comes down to the gamble

good luck

its decent, but next time damage is actually the dump stat and burning is the one you want as high as possible

[ionic frost]

could be better, but still good

[forest coral]

eating very good piper

grats on the upgrade!

[ionic frost]

If only we could tweak 1 weapon 1 percentage point for finishing games...maybe sedition gives you .2 points to spend and damnation gives 1 point. I want that 80/80/0/80/80 Illisi. =)

[forest coral]

nope

basically roll till it happens

its slow but eventual

[ionic frost]

Supreme luck. =P

But it does seem like T4 blessings from Hadron have increased since last patch.

[forest coral]

The only true pain is getting double meta t4's with good stats

but getting access to one is already a huge +

absolutely

u only need one staff to use and ur new one will definitely outclass

[ionic frost]

What's your old purg staff Piper?

o i see it

Yes. Rip the blessing from that one

[forest coral]

you have a near perfect staff

[ionic frost]

you need 76%+ burn to be a good purg staff

[forest coral]

Kinetic barrage purg is my go to for quickjoins

The key traits i tend to follow by are quietetude, deflection and battery

but thats just my own preference

Battery is mainly to upkeep higher damage and BB breakpoints in damnation

i like deflection since it removes any real need for stamina curious when it comes to melee kiting or ressing someone

but i know a few who like the movespeed quell

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[spice veldt]

ignoring your choice of ranged weapons, I'd say the illisi MKV is better

deimos has some big single-target damage though

1st light deals 2x more damage than the usual sweeping lights, and the 2nd heavy deals 2.5x more damage than the usual sweeping heavies

I melee everything except crushers

illisi's special has enough base cleave to hit two ragers/maulers

[forest coral]

I mostly use communion cause im lazy lol

[cyan notch]

damn

carapace and stamina

[forest coral]

but Imo aura and lacerations def better options if u actively bb

[spice veldt]

I like aura + flayer

[cyan notch]

i like revolver too

[forest coral]

[obtuse moth]

Afaik lacerations doesn't really change many brain burst breakpoints especially since your first brain burst doesn't benefit from it.

[forest coral]

ah not for breakpoints, just making things easier for ur team to mop up

[ornate hamlet]

Laceration is peepee poopoo

Embrace warp unleashed

Or was it in the communion line?

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[obtuse moth]

Not really

Only benefits left click

[shadow wigeon]

Looks like you nailed it!

They only thing o have done differently is put Barrage 4 on it before I roll to yellow. But I have no concrete evidence that it improves your chances, just anecdotal.

Yeah you always want barrage as the first blessing (unless you get something you wanted already - Nexus 4 or Flurry 4, or perhaps Focused).

To block it out

It works for Surge as well, but Trauma and avoid have larger blessing pools, so it’s not “guaranteed” in the same way.

[obtuse moth]

Makes it More important with larger pools imo

if you charge 100% it kills things in its center radius, (in general i find with most staves you want to at least get to half charge) but you want to actually use it at max range, or at the very least far enough that the adds dont actually get pushed through your front line. that will thin them out and cc and weaken the harder targets before they get to your melee. if they start leaking through you can do the inverse and put it at your feet to push them out and away. never use the inbetween range where theyre getting pushed through your allies to hit them from behind or the side

it also requires a good all around distribution of high stats in order to work

you cant really get a good one before level 30 and it still is fairly difficult after

void staff works much better once you get a high tier transfer peril (and warp flurry) you just throw it infinitely through a horde of heads and never need to quell

it is

its more long ranged focused

if you get overwhelmed, you can rapid fire bolts for cc by immediately tapping (important to only tap for a split second) your quell button after the bolt leaves your staff and then firing again

that actually works for all staves, (left click and right click) including purge but its by far the most important on voidstrike

[spice veldt]

the stagger of trauma is both a blessing and a curse

I personally don't use the trauma staff for pure hordes and more as an anti-ranged or anti-mixed horde weapon

it gets put off to the side until I need a safe way to engage with ranged enemies or to deal with a group of 10 crushers/maulers/ragers

I personally do not like voidstrike; not because it's terrible, but because the other staff options somewhat overshadow it. Purgatus and Trauma both have infinite cleave, so enemies like Crushers do not stop them. Surge doesn't do damage, but it has a target limit instead of a cleave limit, so a single melee elite won't eat the cleave.

Voidstrike's advantage are its range and peril economy, though the advantages of both over the other staffs are dubious
funnily enough, voidstrike does scale in a weird way as there are more enemies. When the server can't handle the amount of enemies, its projectile will have infinite cleave whenever it lags

[obtuse moth]

its by far the weakest against elites and specials imo

[spice veldt]

here's an example of this extremely scuffed behavior with the LMB bolt https://streamable.com/v62hpv

[dusk sierra]

for the love of the goddamned emperor, give me a stave melk, I swear every day I have maybe one stave at the absolute most

[spice veldt]

nice laser staffs

[dusk sierra]

at this point I'm just being told to use the damn thing

[spice veldt]

my best ranged weapons so far are the autopistol and laspistol

[obtuse moth]

i filled my fifth slot with a second psyker for more melk

[spice veldt]

my laspistol has a locked-in t4 ghost, and my autopistol has basically perfect stats (80-ish in everything except collateral) with t4 pinning fire

at least for the autopistol, I did semi-farm for it; the laspistol I grabbed from melk's

where's my fucking 60 damage 80 everything else trauma with focused channeling

[obtuse moth]

prolly after they come out with a weapon you like better

[spice veldt]

:(

prob after they release a burst dps staff

I might use the trauma after they release it just for better winrates even if I like the burst DPS staff more

[cyan notch]

it aint coming

[spice veldt]

I can wait 5 years

[marsh kayak]

yo warp flurry and nexus on lightning staff rightg

[obtuse moth]

ye

[marsh kayak]

thx

[dusk sierra]

Real talk though even with amazing blessings the recon lasgun is still pretty meme right

[obtuse moth]

afaik ye since the two nerfs

had someone try to bring an infernus recon into a hishock5...

[dusk sierra]

At least they had fun running it down

I want that thing to be good so badly but man

[olive ember]

yep

and they nerfed infernus so its even worse than before now

[restive slate]

I kill faster before Infernus ticks hurt the enemy haha

[shadow wigeon]

This one still stumps me. I got gifted infernus 4 recently and thought I’d make a meme gun… and I noticed they lowered the stacks. What problem was this trying to solve

[restive slate]

Kantrael mg 4 still more reliable with Infernus than the recons I feel

Laspistol too

[olive ember]

oh no I wasn't talking about that

I was talking about the flak dmg nerf they had a while back

the burn cap already killed the viability of the weapon

but then they spit on the grave of infernus by nerfing burn damage to flak by 50%

[azure peak]

is slaughterer good for deimos?

[cyan notch]

its aight

[azure peak]

what is best?

[cyan notch]

no im kidding yes slaughterer is best

[azure peak]

ok, thanks

[fallow falcon]

Ideally what perks should I be using on Trauma?

Also no flurry yet

[cyan notch]

flurry and whatever

[spice veldt]

I like my +unarmoured for dreg bruisers, which you do have

as for the second perk, it's whatever, but I personally like flak for two-shotting gunners

terrifying barrage is meh on trauma because the outer area already has massive stagger, and it apparently doesn't work that well or at all

[olive ember]

Trauma staff users smh

[spice veldt]

at least, I couldn't tell if it was working at all

[olive ember]

Everyone knows surge staff is the best

[spice veldt]

go back to zealot chat and harassing josho

[olive ember]

Im not harassing him

He just won’t accept reality

One of those realities being that surge staff is the best staff

[spice veldt]

damn two mental patients in one night

[cyan notch]

best staff for telling everyone ur a noob yea

[olive ember]

SMH

That’s voidstrike

Actually 🤔

Meh

Atleast surge can stunlock mutants voidstrike just

Sits there

[spice veldt]

virgin fully charged Voidstrike RMB vs a single scab rager

[olive ember]

Would a voidstrike or a surge kill a scab rager faster lmao

[sturdy quest]

purge will never not be the most satisfying

funny horde melt

[fathom adder]

Surge can be great, just remember you're a melee build with a CC tool (that also does damage if there's armor around)

[orchid shadow]

Gah, I can't believe they still haven't fixed the "previous mission" teammates.

[untold meteor]

[olive ember]

Rly nice

[white cedar]

should I change my perk into Flak?

[vestal raven]

keep it as is

great staff

[leaden kestrel]

Also, using left click.

With every staff.

[karmic delta]

finished a Low Int Damnation mission so quick I still have 19 minutes to play the same mission

[spice veldt]

one-shotting flamers with a staff LMB because of a flayer proc is my favorite thing

[vestal raven]

same with dogs lmfao

[kind jay]

i find flayer procs exactly when you need, on the thing you need, like 9/10 times

it's satisfying

and hitting a group with an elite it tends to target the elite

[spice veldt]

enjoy this video of a shotgunner shooting a yellow barrel near me and somehow downing my HP from 150 to 4 https://streamable.com/mx7jb0

[left crater]

ok so i know the axe isnt metta for psyker, but... do i cop?

[uneven drift]

Swap crit chance for flak and shred for brutal momentum and call it a day. I prefer headtaker over decimator, but it's just preference. Antax and rashad are fine for any class.

[vestal raven]

fuck dueling swords but gotta try this out

any tips

[cold geode]

the pointy end goes into the other man

https://tenor.com/view/zorro-the-pointy-end-sword-gif-20311578

[vestal raven]

no way

[magic burrow]

isnt mobility like the entire point of the dueling sword? That low mobility kinda sucks.

[dull haven]

Right below it

[spice veldt]

t3 slaughterer is nice but you're likely to get it by consecrating a force sword; not worth the melk coins especially since you seem to be short on them and the obscurus itself is quite weak compared to the other force swords

the illisi has ok perks and a good stat distribution, though the superiority blessing does not look very promising for it

[dull haven]

Yea haven't played my Psyker ina minute

Took a break off Darktide for awhile and been mainly playing VET

I was thinking keeping soulburn and putting my t3 deflect instead of slaughter?

[spice veldt]

blazing spirit is not too great

force swords don't have any extra crit chance, so you're stuck with psyker's 5% base crit chance without any extra perks or a crit blessing

and soulblaze itself is very mediocre

it's just that the things that apply soulblaze (ascendant blaze, purgatus) happen to be ridiculously good

and blazing spirit on force swords is not one of these good application methods

if you do wish to buy the obscurus (which I would vote against), I'd keep slaughterer

since +power% is a direct increase to damage, cleave, and stagger

+60% power means +60% damage, +60% cleave, and +60% stagger

[dull haven]

Ok, I see yeah I thought soulblaze would be a little better I suppose.

This is what I currently have on my Psyker

Coming from my Vet is almost embarassing ahaha!

[spice veldt]

it is what it isss

on force swords, the preferable dump stat is generally warp resistance

instead of the usual mobility

[dull haven]

Just before I took a break from Darktide I got this on my psyker

[spice veldt]

especially on the Obscurus and Deimos MKIV where the special is a bit situational, and you may actually want a low warp res to proc blessings like Unstable Power or feats like Quietude, Warp Unleashed, and Kinetic Shield

[dull haven]

So I been running that combination of weapons

With a surge

on higher difficulies

[spice veldt]

works well enough

obscurus is a fine weapon

just terribly overshadowed by the other force swords

that purg staff has decent stats. The warp resistance is a bit low, though quelling speeds are pretty fast nowadays; for blessings, the usual recommendation is Warp Nexus (since crits apply two soulblaze stacks) and Warp Flurry
people have remarked that terrifying barrage is almost useless

[hexed furnace]

i still don't know what the numbers mean

[spice veldt]

press V when a weapon is selected in your inventory and hover over the stat bars to get an idea of what they scale

[kind jay]

what does laspistol want

ghost + ?

[kind jay]

or the game could crash instead

emperor mad

[inland sand]

this was low key one of the best films of the 00s

[ornate hamlet]

numerical issue

[kind jay]

are you telling me when i blow up a barrel near the team i can just blame it on shotgunners?

this is a game changer

[raw otter]

meanwhile the veteran
seems they did not get damage much
so yea maybe it is a bug
or there are some modifiers for each char being more resistant to explosions 🤔

[kind jay]

no its because hes a filthy witch

[kind jay]

havent heard this one before. i didnt catch the starting text

male + female loner interaction

[unreal dust]

Sitting here... debating if I want to swap Uncanny Strike to a different blessing. Used with Purg+Wildfire build. I do like that it lets me chip damage crusher packs with the flames, but... myah. That's not something that's consistent, even when abusing the Special to quickly get 4 stacks of Uncanny

Maybe keep farming for Unstable Power IV?

[cyan notch]

id go slaughterer

[unreal dust]

I do like Slaughterer. I do like that it lets the Wildfire flames self-sustain against horde. Maybe I should just go back to it.

[vestal raven]

since u have deflector id stick with slaughterer

[ornate hamlet]

Slaughterer, definitely

[lunar spruce]

it's a boring pick but it's gotta be slaughterer, it's so good

[unreal dust]

That's really my only big complaint with it. It's just such a beefy buff that everything else pales. Allwell. I shall secretly hope for a blessings pass in the future.

[twilit flicker]

Blessings with downsides would be cool, Riposte +30 or 40 crit rate for 2 seconds after dodge but for 5 seconds if you get hit you take 30% more dmg. Something crazy, if a little long winded

[unreal dust]

Stuff like this feels like something I would expect on looted chaos gear--and not suited for use by the Inquisition (the death-chance of plasma weapons aside)

[lunar spruce]

Would be funky to get some corrupted gear that got stronger the more corruption you have, or gave you a set amount you can't clear

[ember hornet]

there are overclocks left over in the code

things like increase damage but lower defence

[kind jay]

i think coherency blessings would be cool. like "5% power for each stack of coherency"

maybe something more interesting than that

i'd like it if there were some more team-oriented stuff you can get too

[dusky smelt]

if i liked using surge this would prob be pretty good

[paper tendon]

No one likes the shocky boy

[hard pulsar]

void boy best boy

[strong thicket]

I love the zealot slander

[jagged badger]

I gotta say I dig this outfit

[fossil apex]

Mods or Photoshop?

[ionic frost]

default garb if you were shirtless

slendergryn looks funniest with a slab shield:

I lost weight.

[twilit flicker]

No, now it's pure steel underneath, dense af

[jagged badger]

Neither

[fossil apex]

I see, everyone got that armour put on their dudes regardless of class. I only had my Zealot half-naked, so there wasn't much excitement when I saw the naked cosmetics removed. It ruined his style lol

[flat moth]

Siblings i have a question: What are the best feat setup that would help me complete warp battery penance?

[north cradle]

Psychic Communion, Kinetic Flayer

Your choice of Ascendant Blaze or Kinetic Barrage

Eh actually no Ascendant Blaze

[red wind]

just sit in the back of the map and pop things with bb

honestly one of the easier penances as it doesn't have to be 400 seconds (?) in a row it's just total in the match it seems

[fossil apex]

I have done the opposite to complete this. I always went ahead of team to keep popping them heads

[red wind]

plus "now" you only lose one charge at a time

[red wind]

fair enough

a lot of psyker playstyles involve essentially always maintaining max charges

[ornate hamlet]

...

Which one should I replace?

[graceful eagle]

roll a new one

[ionic frost]

Warp Resist is the force sword dump stat

the lower the better imho

0% is perfection

[ornate hamlet]

Imma surrender it later on.

Which one should I grab for Blessings?

[ionic frost]

Superiority only comes in rank 3

Shred can be rank 4

[ornate hamlet]

Aaaand?

[ionic frost]

Shred is really only used for a blazing meme sword with blazing spirit

most of the time

slaughterer + unstable power or deflection is best

I have one deimos with slaughterer + superiority

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not sure where Superiority can go.

But I guess I'm taking Shred

[ionic frost]

remember, a push attack resets shred

[ornate hamlet]

Already found that out

[ionic frost]

I'm still trying to get a Blazing Spirit 4 + Shred 4 Illisi... To go with a blazing spirit trauma staff =)

Too bad they felt like they had to nerf Bloodthirsty before I got it =*(

5 seconds of 100% crit on special action kill isn't really OP...

[ornate hamlet]

Axe?

[regal basin]

bloodthirsty is 100% crit on the next attack now right?

[ornate hamlet]

You know, that doesn't really sound bad.

Especially on the Illisi.

[spice veldt]

ye

it's ok, though I prefer unstable power for the more general activation condition

[ornate hamlet]

Which blessing is better?

[wide tiger]

Bloodthirsty slaughterer is okay but yeah, the game is all about power stacking

[ornate hamlet]

To anchor, I mean.

[wide tiger]

blessing balance be whack

[spice veldt]

brutal momentum by a long shot

[regal basin]

not an expert with axes but i liked brutal momentum last time i used that

[ornate hamlet]

I got Headtaker.

[wide tiger]

combat axes decimator/bromo is the gold standard, imo

[spice veldt]

your axe won't be stopped by anything, including crushers

[ornate hamlet]

I only have Headtaker instead of Decimator.

So I'm gonna use that.

For a different thing, I remembered this combo.

[wide tiger]

headtaker is half (HALF) the power for easier activation

[ornate hamlet]

Thrust + Limbsplitter.

May be dumb, but also kind of funny.

[spice veldt]

limbsplitter basically requires you to constantly cancel with either blocks or weapon swaps

[ornate hamlet]

Obviously that's the case, which is why Thrust comes in.

[graceful eagle]

i would go with headtaker and brutal

[ornate hamlet]

(And I am assuming that this axe wouldn't be your main form of attack)

[graceful eagle]

easy to use

[spice veldt]

single target nuke

[ornate hamlet]

Best used against Monstrosities (if they're not after your ass) or Ogryns

Imagine having that axe as a Zealot.

[ornate hamlet]

just came back after a few months

did deflector get nerfed?

feels like its useless now

[spice veldt]

doesn't work on revives anymore, but everything else has been basically the same

[ornate hamlet]

oh so yea its useless

[spice veldt]

still a pretty good blessing

[graceful eagle]

did you forget Kinetic Deflection ?\

[spice veldt]

I'd run it if I weren't addicted to one-shotting groaners

[ornate hamlet]

...

[sharp kraken]

Is the catachan devil claw sword at all useful in damnation? I tried a patient build with the 6 stack BB and claw sword that had both rampage and sawage sweep. And it was still worse bad at going through hordes

[spice veldt]

it's not terrible, but it's also not great for a few reasons:

• It has damage blessings but not power blessings. This means that it's going to stack additively on top of Psyker's existing damage buffs, unlike power buffs which for whatever reason factor multiplicatively with damage.
• Not having power blessings in general just sucks.
• Their heavies have a low minimum cleave damage of 36.27 against groaners and 27.42 against poxwalkers. For reference, the sweeping heavies of force swords have a minimum cleave damage of 54.50 against groaners and 40.88 against poxwalkers. Funnily enough, the heavy sword MKIX has a minimum cleave damage of 36.27... on their lights.

When smacking poxwalkers, a single slaughterer blessing was similar to having rampage + savage sweep in terms of the increase to net damage the last time I did the calculations

[dusk sierra]

what are yall having fun with these days? my default rn is autopistol/illisi w.ascendant blaze but I want to try something new

[sharp kraken]

Illisi / Surge, Deimos / Flame, Rashad / Voidstrike, Deimos / Trauma

[fresh steeple]

Funnest Psyker build in the game is Warp Flurry Trauma, and I don't care to play anything else as of the past two months

don't @ me

[spice veldt]

I vote a melee-focused playstyle with Illisi + trauma, with the trauma being used as a support against melee elite patrols or as a safe way to engage with ranged enemies

[west galleon]

I dont like anything but my voidstrike illsi combo

[dusk sierra]

ty I've either been doing auto/illisi or purg illisi, I'll need to roll a good trauma

[spice veldt]

trauma is my very favorite https://streamable.com/s3ltw4

[fresh steeple]

That's the big difficulty with it. It has the highest amount of "necessary stats", so a 330 staff could be viable on Surge but completely unplayable on Trauma

you basically need 360+, and only then if your dump stat is specifically quell speed, and the ideal is 375+ (not that that's not the ideal for everything, but Trauma really doesn't have dump stats)

the "best" dump stats for Trauma are quell and then probably damage, then charge (if with Warp Flurry), then radius, then warp resist, then charge (if no warp Flurry)

[fresh steeple]

I'd definitely take Deimos over Illisi for Purg. Purg really needs shoring up on single-target that Illisi can't provide.

[spice veldt]

you could give up a good portion of damage for trauma to hit the one-shot breakpoints on non-elite/special enemies with perks

I like my quell speed for quietude

[rare mesa]

anyone else get this bug

oh scrolling up i see ppl have

the drip potential is bananas

[dusk sierra]

but you see illisi go brrr

but yeah makes sense

[copper torrent]

any siblings wana help with head honcho penance?

[dusk sierra]

I like how deflector went from everyone needs to optional lol

[fresh steeple]

yeah, as I said a few days ago, max 80 quell speed gets full 100 to 0 quell about a second faster than a 60 roll, so there is a benefit to it

I just think it's still less useful than BR, WR, or CR

[fresh steeple]

Check the LFG channels

[dusk sierra]

so this would be good?

[fresh steeple]

People learned how to stand behind walls XD. I still like Deflector, but I must admit that making the Mutant breakpoint with Power blessings even when I don't have Warp Unleashed is super nice

[fresh steeple]

No, WR is too low

[copper torrent]

I did. I was hoping to pull on heart strings of siblings who had to do the penance already

[dusk sierra]

or sorry misread wr as the dump

[fresh steeple]

I mean, it'll be okay still. But you're going to lose several full-charged shots in a Warp Flurry build

[dusk sierra]

for sure

[fresh steeple]

QS is dump along with Damage. Whether either of them is more of a dump for you is up to personal preference

all five stats are good. They're just the least good

[dusk sierra]

then I need to harvest decent blessings too

whee

[spice veldt]

it's roughly a 2.9% peril difference from 60% quell speed to 80% quell speed per tick when quelling from 100% peril, which I consider more substantial than damage

[dusk sierra]

oh ty

[spice veldt]

if I already reach my breakpoints with damage, I certainly don't need any more

[fresh steeple]

It is substantial. I'm not arguing this. I've timed it out, and it's a full second faster at 80 versus 60 (approximately ~2 seconds versus ~3 seconds)

[dusk sierra]

just need to figure out when to start dumping resources into it

[spice veldt]

i'll say that it's more substantial than damage then

[fresh steeple]

but Trauma is also the sort of staff you shoot off multiple times in a row especially if doing WF, so breakpoints are less important for targets that you still have to hit multiple times, and as such, damage is also a good stat

[spice veldt]

sure, but quelling is primarily for against ranged enemies to take advantage of quietude

[fresh steeple]

my argument for damage being a dump stat is not about breakpoints at all, but rather about the fact that Trauma has a high base damage, so losing damage stats has a comparatively smaller effect on it than on many other weapons.

[strange wyvern]

Yo this good?

[fresh steeple]

The difference between a 60 roll and an 80 roll in damage is about 5% total damage

[fresh steeple]

it's fine. Ideally you want an Illisi that actually isn't max stat and has a very low Warp Resist so that you can hit the special a few times and maintain constant high peril

[spice veldt]

pretty nice if you're using illisi as your main weapon

[fresh steeple]

but insofar as it's max stat with great spread on the stats, it's still very nice

[violet yoke]

Yes hope she rolls well 🙏

[dusk sierra]

killed myself in the meatgrinder with warp overload

[hidden crystal]

I can confirm that I've now completed Unleash the Warp and Keep Your Distance without even trying, but Blessed by Fate is only at 7/50 Perils survived...

[dusk sierra]

while using creature spawner, had invuln on

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/freaks-one-of-us-accepting-little-people-party-gif-5441857

[dusk sierra]

so im down, undo it so I can respawn

game just crashes

[spice veldt]

skill issue

my game also crashes for random reasons

usually seems to crash more the longer it runs

especially after spawning a bunch of stuff

[fresh steeple]

yeah, I accidentally completed KYD on, like, the fourth Damnation match I played after the patch (the first was a failed run)

didn't look at it hard and thought first that it was any melee damage

once I realized it was any elite damage I just chuckled a bit, because no elite ever comes within 30 yards of me with my main build

if I ever take damage at all (in successful missions), it's because of thin-air-spawning chaff mobs that whack me mid-cast

The Blessed by Fate one wasn't too bad. Just had to sit on my hands and deliberately push myself to 100 when the situation was safe to do so

[spice veldt]

i hopped into a sedition mission with quicken specifically to do it

though I ended up not liking the masks anyways

[fresh steeple]

Nothing beats bionic eye

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'll admit that I'm not spectacularly competent; as is, I'm not great against elites in melee, as my Illisi's got an underwhelming First Target stat, and often end up having to play a game of "shove ragers and maulers on the floor" to try to create space when there's several of them.

[fresh steeple]

it's also a much harder penance to get if you're running a melee build, so there's nothing to be ashamed of there (and even more impressive to get it)

in any given map I might have about 10k melee damage versus 3-400k ranged damage, and the melee damage is almost exclusively "stabbing Mutants/Pox Hounds" with a bit of "Poxwalkers are close and I don't have time to ramp up"

[spice veldt]

if it's just two or three, the illisi is good at staggering them

if there are two maulers, don't aim at their heads

since their carapace head will immediately end your cleave

[hidden crystal]

That said, a "hey, I've got some spare cash, let's take a stab at Brunts" has just thrown me this.

Time to let Hadron ruin it.

[fresh steeple]

per usual, would be better with less WR, but good roll generally, so grats on the base!

gl with rolls

[hidden crystal]

Ugh. Some people might like it, but I don't.

[fresh steeple]

good meme sword

[spice veldt]

damn that +weakspot +stam

what a banger

[fresh steeple]

bank it and hope for a Bloodthirsty buff in the next patch, which they should release by around September

[hidden crystal]

I don't hate +stamina (particularly as I've got a bugged stamina curio which FS haven't fixed yet), but I needed it to throw me either Slaughter or Deflector in the Blessings.

[fresh steeple]

what's this bugged curio?

[hidden crystal]

It's supposed to be +3 Stamina, but it only does that in the psykanium.

On missions, it's +2.

[fresh steeple]

that's odd. Sorry to hear that it's bugged 😦

[spice veldt]

seems to specifically affect 75 rating stam curios

[hidden crystal]

Indeed.

I've ended up having to run with it anyway, as +3 Stamina curios are quite difficult to get hold of since they changed the store.

Two curios per hour, of which most will be too low a rating (or a different blessing), or come with a bad perk from the start.

[elder rain]

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[hidden crystal]

Honestly, they've got to be joking with still allowing +% XP to RNG for max level characters.

[fresh steeple]

Deimos

Trauma's main weakness is high single-target burst, which Deimos fixes

[hidden crystal]

Oh yeah, and when you do find a +3 Stamina Curio, Hadron's near guaranteed to ruin it.

[latent loom]

pain

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-clint-eastwood-gran-torino-yuck-eww-gif-4412827

[spice veldt]

damn you won't be able to quell all over the heretics

[spice veldt]

simply say no to hadron

[latent loom]

if it had at least 70 quell it wouldve been perfect

[hidden crystal]

This is the bugged one - and if it was working properly, I'd be pretty happy.

[spice veldt]

damn

I wonder how they're going to fix it

are they actually going to make it +3 or screw you over by changing it to +2

if it's the latter, it'd be pretty funny

[elder rain]

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[fresh steeple]

Slaughterer+Unstable Power per usual

Maniac damage for Mutants, and hopefully also Flak after that

if you don't mind not one-shotting Maniacs, then you can run Kinetic Deflection

Deimos has a lot harder time maintaining high power because you can't spam the special nearly as easily, so UP is more of a bonus on it than its use on Illisi

Unyielding is also good in place of Flak since Trauma doesn't help much against Unyielding targets and it'll help you fight bosses a bit easier

and Trauma rips through Flak targets generally

[hidden crystal]

I know people are a bit mixed on whether they like Gunner Resist (I'd probably prefer Sniper, as I can't block snipers), but as I've managed to stack it on every curio, it does have some meme potential.

[fresh steeple]

if Gunner resist affected gunners instead of GunnersTM

[spice veldt]

if running warp unleashed (or 4 warp charges), +flak does allow you to two-shot dreg gunners

[fresh steeple]

then I'd like it

[hidden crystal]

In fact, very last mission, we had two people down, and a few gunners and a reaper pinning the rest of us down.

[graceful eagle]

still think gunners is most useless resist

[hidden crystal]

Yes, I can waltz out there with my deflector sword, I've got that much stamina, block and damage resist.

[spice veldt]

was it vigil station oblivium

the one area that I can think of is when you go up the elevator or if an elite patrol of gunners somehow got aggroed down

[hidden crystal]

Consignment Yard HL17-36, actually.

[fresh steeple]

this is the one I use. I'd like it a bit better if I had Flak, but I really can't have any complaint

[spice veldt]

darn

[hidden crystal]

Oh yes, and Kinetic Deflection.

But between all that, it was possible to block and dodge my way close enough to draw fire and then knock them all on their butts with my ult.

[kind jay]

does deflector stop working if your toughness broken or am i actually going insane

[fresh steeple]

you're going insane

[spice veldt]

no you're probably just noticing it more

[elder rain]

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[spice veldt]

prob just taking potshots from the side or back

[fresh steeple]

^

[graceful eagle]

does unstable power give any power at 0 peril ? like Warp Unleashed?

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[fresh steeple]

how do you want the Trauma to run?

[spice veldt]

you gain a stack at 20/40/60/80% peril thresholds; each stack gives 5% power

at least with the gunners, their main deal is knocking you the fuck back

[graceful eagle]

so 5% at 20?

[spice veldt]

ye

and 20% power at 80% peril

[elder rain]

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[spice veldt]

I always snipe gunners so that I can reliably sprint-slide instead their god damn bullets eating my momentum

[fresh steeple]

for the popcorn setup

[fresh steeple]

for the soulblaze setup

one focuses on rapid-fire Trauma shots in uninterrupted windows of constant shots, and one focuses on maximizing targets-per-cast, ideally floating at high peril, to spread Soulblaze

you can also use the former version as a supplement to a melee Psyker to lock down big armored targets similarly to Surge (though I'd say in that case to just run Surge, but Arcotash up there likes this playstyle)

[elder rain]

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[hidden crystal]

Well, I'd often do that as well; I play a lot of gunpsyker with this piece: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1107785124252225586/image.png

[fresh steeple]

imo, the ideal playstyle with popcorn is as it sounds: find a nice little nook somewhere in a current engagement and ramp up to 5 stacks of WF, use your burst at about 80% peril or so so that you can keep shooting them off, and go until you either get hit by something or hit the 100% threshold

with sufficiently good CR+WR stats, you can get upwards of 15 or 16 full-charge shots in a row before ever factoring in any auto-quelling from kills (which will get you many more but is variable)

[hidden crystal]

If I can actually get a headshot to start, then I can usually clear out a hell of a lot of shooters pretty safely, but here I couldn't get that first hit in.

[fresh steeple]

most staves should be able to at least hit 13-14

cast constantly and enemies fly around in the air like popcorn

the only enemy types you can't stagger are charging Mutants and front-facing Bulwarks

[hidden crystal]

Between the Eyes is much more use for its suppression resist than it is for clearing the suppression in the first place.

[fresh steeple]

Deimos comes in for the former. Aim for their head with a light-heavy to one-shot them, or you can also one-shot them with a charge attack at any direction if you have at least 60% peril with 25% Maniac and Unstable Power

for the latter, just use Brain Burst obviously

[elder rain]

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[fresh steeple]

that's what I use

221113 and 222113 are also viable options

I prefer on-demand toughness as most do, but Trauma can get a lot of chaff kills in rapid succession for Warp Absorption, and if you don't mind BBing a little more, Psykinetic's Aura is nice

I like having the topup from teammates for Warp Charges so that I don't have to interrupt what I'm doing every 40 seconds to stay at 6 stacks

but 6 stacks+Tranquility is basically required for popcorn. Otherwise you'll hit peril cap too fast.

and Kinetic Barrage is much better than Quicken for what I hope are obvious reasons

[graceful eagle]

does Quietitude work with Exorcist ?

[hidden crystal]

Psychic Communion does save you from playing the warp charge mini-game all the time.

[hidden crystal]

As far as I've been told, if you have to ask whether a specific source of quelling works, the answer is "yes".

Passive, Active, Battle Mediation, Psykinetic Wrath... I've been told it all counts.

[graceful eagle]

i dont even remember this talent lol, was it reworked?

[fresh steeple]

yes

[uneven plume]

I’m still trying to determine if there is a blessing that synergizes better with Slaughterer on force swords. Have one paired with Unstable Power and one with Deflector - my basic fallback utility blessing.

Seemed like the damage boost even at 80% from Unstable Power III did not make a great deal of difference against the usual hard targets (Ogryns, maulers, mutants) on Malice for a comparison - in terms of damage per charged hit.

[tropic vigil]

i have t4 warp flurry in the bank, should i proceed with this staff or look for a better warp resistance?

[fresh steeple]

66 and 80 should be enough to maintain at least a 14-charge sequence

which is good

and one of the perks is good too

i'd take it to gold and see what the second blessing is

[tropic vigil]

yeah kind of lucked out on the flak

[fresh steeple]

good thing is that Barrage is blocking one already

so your chances of getting one you want are pretty high

[tropic vigil]

other than warp flurry what should i look for? havent really given trauma a chance yet, mostly purg/voidstrike so looking forward to trying something new

[fresh steeple]

Challenning and R&G don't typically show up on a purple>gold promotion

[fresh steeple]

Rending Shockwave

Sustained Fire and Surge are brickable blessings

Warp Flurry can work with a Blazing Spirit setup

[wide tiger]

Yeah idk why surge exists for trauma

feels like a mistake

[tropic vigil]

hopefully i dont get those

[fresh steeple]

see above

[tropic vigil]

thank you for the guidance

[fresh steeple]

Transfer does nothing too

but essentially you have a ~60% chance of getting either Flurry, Nexus, Spirit, or Rending, and likely a T4 roll

if you get Rending or Flurry, do Popcorn. If you get Nexus or Spirit, do Soulblaze

If you get another one, weep

[tropic vigil]

ill let you know. hopefully good news. i just need to run a few damnations now.

[fresh steeple]

you don't have 10k plasteel sitting in the bank?

https://tenor.com/view/dont-make-deals-with-peasants-deals-with-peasants-emperors-new-groove-gif-9192168

[tropic vigil]

i spent it all on laspistols

[west galleon]

I spend my stuff too quickly, living paycheck to paycheck so to speak

[fresh steeple]

I patiently await my last missing 380 in a Surge staff so I can complete the Infinity Gauntlet

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

Surge_irl

[tropic vigil]

nice

ive only been lucky enough yet to have 380 purg

[spice veldt]

quietude has been the same for a while; not sure if it was different during the beta

[wide tiger]

Since using the shredder autopistol with pinning fire 4 it makes all the staves feel like garbage comparatively

I'd like to see a buff to the primary fire of the staves

vets who refuse to shoot the ranged enemies like snipers are probably being swarmed by melee combatants

[spice veldt]

vets can go get their melee kills

I want my ranged kills

[wide tiger]

on my vet i try to avoid melee if at all possible

but backstabbing trash be backstabbing trash

[tropic vigil]

usually most vets are good about killing shooters / snipes

which is why its so noticeable the ones who just walk past groups or leave stuff.

its tragic

[ember hornet]

I saw a clip of 3 vets die to 1 sniper followed by another sniper

bolter and helbore were involved too

[wet belfry]

Purgatus users are anyways terrible supports to vets in terms of enableing them.

[tropic vigil]

having 3 zealots can make stuff really difficult when running purg.

[wet belfry]

This is likely not only going to be a case of the vets being bad.

[tardy trellis]

three psykers vs a boss's shield

WHO WINS???

then we get a veteran for damage

success

[late yew]

What build you run with it?

[tropic vigil]

between the two of them i should prob just keep barrage right

[wide tiger]

melee does big damage to shields, with unlimited dodge psykers are far better for a boss shield than a vet

[tardy trellis]

boss shield for psykers

brainpop spam

then just get some crackhead bolter user

[fresh steeple]

it's bricked

sorry

[tropic vigil]

unlucky

[fresh steeple]

Both of the blessings are entirely useless on Trauma

it never hits weak spots, so Transfer doesn't do anything, and its AoE radius is large enough that it functionally suppresses everything anyway

[tropic vigil]

doesnt it suppress anything caught in the blast anyways?

yea

damn

oh well ill just hope for another one

[fresh steeple]

if you were to keep one over hte other you would keep Barrage because technically Barrage could affect a target at the outer blast radius that Trauma's standard effect would not affect

but really you just need to get another one

sorry

(again)

lost the coin flip

if you could see the wasteland of Trauma staves I built before reaching the pinnacle that I screenshotted above... well, it's vast and devastating

[tropic vigil]

next one shall be a perfect 380

[fresh steeple]

good attitude

[tropic vigil]

thanks for the insight though, i probably wouldnt have known where to begin for trauma at least.

[fresh steeple]

even my 380 could be improved because that's just how Traumas are 😛 Though I'm not really going to roll anything else in a feasible future time frame

having CR as my dump stat is less bad than I thought after testing, but it's still a bit irksome on single-shot casts

[tropic vigil]

Though, are we getting 2h force sword next patch? I might save up all currency before making a new trauma

Does warp flurry iv do a good job mitigating a bad charge rate? I've always avoided low crs

[kind jay]

wow. rude

[kind jay]

[fathom adder]

No new weapons, no new classes. One map (Throneside again, sideways this time). This is 7 months in and just before Swedish summer break btw

[vagrant cedar]

are red items out yet?

[vagrant cedar]

dead game

[tropic vigil]

Kind of sad

[fresh steeple]

"kind of"

[tropic vigil]

I'm still irritated with the ow2 pve situation so in comparison it's not that bad

Still bad. Just not as bad

Feels like entire gaming market is trash lately

[long wharf]

Someone needs to tell FatShark that the phrase "closed until further notice" is usually taken to mean "closed forever"

[tardy trellis]

CALM DOWNNN ITS AN INDIE DEV!!!!

[tropic vigil]

too bad they dont have a bigger budget

[red wind]

they clearly mean that ogryns specifically will no longer be able to buy recolours

[near wyvern]

Fuck re colours I want transparent on my ogryn

No shirt was the way

[red wind]

true...

my ogryn is still somehow shirtless

so i'll take it

[long wharf]

Ogryns don't deserve recolored cosmetics, apparently

[spice veldt]

a normal damnation commsplex timed out to become... a normal damnation commsplex once again

what in the world

[vagrant cedar]

it's more about getting more profits for money you invested rather than making a quality product that will last awhile

times have changed 😔

[ionic frost]

in other words, shit has become standard?

[red wind]

it's a day off for the mission rotators too

[kind jay]

what's wrong you guys don't like 50% of damn being dogs

2 hunting grounds is literally 200% content

[tropic vigil]

yea. i think thats basically it.

the bar has been set incredibly low and tbh anyone can release shit and if theres no alternatives youre just kind of stuck with it

[ionic frost]

With an extra year of dev time, Darktide would've sold 500,000-1 million copies 6 months after release.

Most people that heard of it IRL heard a lot of bad things about it, and went with another game instead.

But ya know...CumHammer and all...

(If you didn't know, Southpark)

[agile garden]

Should I replace Maniac with unarmored or carapace? Should i keep Warp Nexus?

[olive ember]

Replace Nexus with flurry

[ionic frost]

Warp Nexus to Warp Flurry

[olive ember]

as for perks im not as sure

[ionic frost]

grats on 25% flak... =)

idk if removing maniac will change breakpoints for maniac enemies or not

I'm sure someone knows...

[violet yoke]

are quad 80 weps rare or do i just not see them in my shops/armory?

[olive ember]

Probably Arcotash

hes the resident trauma staff lover

maybe Pygex and Pfhoenix as well

[fathom adder]

They are very rare

[cyan notch]

maniac doesnt do much on trauma

[spice veldt]

I like +unarmoured since my damage stat is low

but if you run something like warp battery then it's whatevs since the only breakpoint you meet is reliably one-shotting dreg bruisers (450 hp) with +unarmoured

not that i usually blast maniacs anyways

[ionic frost]

+unarmored will also slightly increase the kill radius for dreg shooters, since the damage starts to fall off outside of the epicenter

But that's why I like my Blazing Memes trauma staff =)

Tho brittleness helps your team demolish crushers...

[spice veldt]

the outer area does like 30 damage

the damage from the outer area is barely worth mentioning

[violet yoke]

ur outer ring itsnt even 30 just junk staff!!!

[ornate hamlet]

Should I try upgrading, or look for something better?

[cyan notch]

upgrade

[agile garden]

@spice veldt Someone said you know about Trauma staff breakpoints. Would you change the maniac perk to something else like Carapace? Hell, what feats would you run on that too?

[spice veldt]

I actually don't know that many breakpoints on trauma
Carapace does help against crusher groups, though I personally don't run a warp flurry trauma so I don't get that much DPS out of it

here's a trauma build #psyker-class message that uses warp flurry and just spams the trauma

I personally just use my trauma as a support and for killing ranged enemies and bruisers

[lethal folio]

flak/unarmouredto explode bruisers, and kill shooters at range.

[spice oar]

Next week

[normal sequoia]

Ilisi Force sword enjoyers, Unstable power or Exorcist? (To pair with Slaughterer)

[uneven plume]

I asked about that earlier as well. I have two combos I’ve been swapping between but still looking for better options. Slaughterer with Unstable Power and Slaughterer with Deflector. The power boost even at >80% peril worked out to about 70-90 damage on a crit hit on a Crusher

[spice veldt]

unstable power + t4 slaughterer + warp charges + warp unleashed allows you to reach a one-shot bodyshot breakpoint on the minimum cleave damage against groaners at a certain peril

aka you can just one-shot 26-28 full health groaners

exorcist works if you want to special -> normal to spam specials at 100% without active quelling