psyker-class

[tropic vigil]

TY for walking me through it definitely way easier than doing it myself

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it’s not even a choice really.

[hidden crystal]

It's part of what makes seeing blue curios in the armoury with T3 perks quite so irritating - it's not really even worth starting with a curio unless it's already got a T4 perk you like.

Because you only ever get to reroll one perk.

[tropic vigil]

yea

[shadow wigeon]

Perk selection is more important than T4 values at first.

[tropic vigil]

ill have to keep eyes out then for the god tier curios

im wondering what to put here for purgatus now

[near wyvern]

+3 stamina for the win

[shadow wigeon]

Get a blue with a perk you want, then roll it to purple. if you hit another perk you like, you are good to go.

[shadow wigeon]

I would change +crit to +unyielding for boss damage, or +flak.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, to be honest, if it's not already good at purple, gambling on liking the orange perk is a risk.

[tropic vigil]

ill prob swap to flak then i typically find myself just putting on a stack of wildfire then spamming bb on bosses

[shadow wigeon]

If it’s not good at purple it’s in the trash. It’s not worth the cost to take a chance on yellow hitting.

Rolling curios is very expensive.

Just keep building an inventory of good blues.

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I had one case where I thought "eh, +10% Dockets? I can reroll that", only to be hit with an entirely useless XP bonus when I upgraded to orange.

[shadow wigeon]

+10% dockets is the secret GOAT perk

[hidden crystal]

I want stuff that's useful during the mission, not afterwards; at this point, my gear is at the point where trying to get better stuff is mostly just frustrating.

[shadow wigeon]

The real end game is to fill your closet with a god roll of every meme weapon

[hidden crystal]

If they consolidated those perks into a single +X% "mission rewards" perk that affected XP, Dockets and crafting materials, then it would be more worth considering, but even then its usefulness wanes as your gear creeps towards the limits.

[foggy tangle]

whats the go to illisi combo?

[tropic vigil]

i like striving for the perfect god tier weapon

knowing it will never happen

so close yet so far

[naive junco]

left or right? flak/maniac perk roll and UP blessing on left.

[tropic vigil]

id say left, i am biased towards deflector

[naive junco]

i only use deflector on deimos. blocking ranged into 30 shooters with a 80 mobility deimos is hilarious. illisi not so much.

[kind jay]

left has better stats and perks

[spice veldt]

left has +maniac already but the right has unstable power

[naive junco]

im leaning towards the left one too. I can just take the UP blessing on right and replace deflector

[spice veldt]

oh right; reblessing is a thing

[naive junco]

the +20 maniac seems better than 11% finesse.

[kind jay]

you could eat unstable and put it on left though that would prevent slaughter 4 (not really a huge loss imo)

oh you said that i wasnt reading whoops

[naive junco]

hoping the 20% maniac dmg will bypass the need to max UP for 1 shots.

[spice veldt]

the other point of consideration might be the 80% mob

[naive junco]

-3.4% dodge distance. meh. its no deimos regardless.

[spice veldt]

more on the sprint speed than anything

which is generally nice for closing gaps against shooters

depends on what you usually use the illisi for though

mobility is particularly important to me since it's my main weapon for anything that's not a wide open space or if there are less than 3-ish melee elites

and for stealing kills from your teammates before they can reach enemies

the last point being the most important advantage of mobility

[naive junco]

I'll test it out to see if it feels sluggish as f with the loss of mobility before breaking my current one.

[kind jay]

im not even surprised anymore at this point

[spice veldt]

the low # of force weapons relative to non-force weapons is for the pride™ and accomplishment™ that you'll feel when you do get a force weapon

[prisma perch]

Should be guaranteed some class specific weapons in the melk shop

Getting accatrans and infantry autos is so tiring

[topaz yoke]

Would it be weird to keep the stamina? lmao

[spice veldt]

force swords are one of the few weapon classes that I would consider stamina for

especially when the other option is +unarmoured

[shadow wigeon]

No, stamina's ok. Just as long as you use it.

[teal storm]

Should I replace Riposte?

[shadow wigeon]

Yes

[digital loom]

may not have power cycler yet

or even t4 harnessing the warp

but at least melk has sosmething i dont have for a change

[digital loom]

one day i'll get that extra crit raate...

[restive slate]

It sucks that every staff blessing are specific and can't be shared

[kind jay]

i personally enjoy surge blessing not being on surge staff. devil claw also has a trauma blessing, but trauma staff doesn't

the irony is enough to rebuild atoma

[fallow falcon]

If running Kinetic Flayer, should I use something in place of Psychic Communion?

[shadow wigeon]

Flayer only builds one stack every 15-20 seconds. If you want to build stacks for Ascendant Blaze or Tranquility or just the bonus damage, just be aware that Flayer is sort "warp charge maintenance" rather than for building them up.

[fallow falcon]

Been trying laspistol psyker, felt awkward compared with shredder

Was constantly losing stacks whereas with a shredder I was constantly keeping them up effortlessly

[shadow wigeon]

Communion is affected by kills from anyone in coherency, so in theory your weapon choice doesn't matter if you stay in coherency.

But if you're on your own, well.. Shredder is just much stronger than Laspistol, so you're probably just getting more kills.

[spice veldt]

I personally like Psykinetic's Aura + Flayer

CDR is too good to pass up

[drowsy fjord]

What's the easy way to get cliffhanger? I keep trying Chasm Logistratum but never get a hoard at the bridge

[cold geode]

use trauma staff

do the one where you hack the water computer at the end

defend one of the bridges to the last computer before the exit

you can knock them off there easy, and trauma blows things ardoun

around*

[drowsy fjord]

Oh okay cool. So use your F then staff them off?

[cold geode]

just use the staff

[drowsy fjord]

Now as someone who hasn't really used the trauma staff, I should charge it for the knockback?

[cold geode]

it does knock back as a part of its normal operation

just use the secondary bomb

play with it in the test area to get a feel for it

[drowsy fjord]

Sounds good! Thank you so much

[cold geode]

np, should be easy on that map 😄

[void mural]

What are good perks on voidstrike?

[cold geode]

transfer peril and flurry

though for me i was using this pre-patch that changed a lot of feats*

havent done void in a while

[drowsy fjord]

Out of curiosity, what's your take on soul flame? I like fire wizards so I want to make it work, but I rarely see people using a purgatus staff

[cold geode]

purge is probably top dog for staffs at the moment

[drowsy fjord]

Oh really? Is it worth doing your talents based around SF?

[spice veldt]

purg itself is busted, not soulblaze

[limber heath]

does everyone run 3 for the final perk? I'm not levelled there yet but I will be soon and kinda thought 1 looked okay or does it make the warp charge economy bad

[spice veldt]

since purg cleaves through all enemies except bulwarks and walls

[void mural]

i know the blessings, what perks?

[spice veldt]

I like the bottom feat (Kinetic Barrage)

[cold geode]

ahh sorry, flak as usual, and whatever else is on the staff

[void mural]

ah, so flak

[spice veldt]

I think a lot of people still don't like Quicken because it dumps your warp charges and doesn't really give alternate ways of getting warp charges like ascendant blaze does

[limber heath]

i see, makes sense and as i haven't been able to try it i figured that might be the case

[spice veldt]

whereas kinetic barrage is basically a direct upgrade

[limber heath]

bb speed do be nice

[spice veldt]

i'm biased towards not losing warp charges, so kinetic barrage is what I like

[limber heath]

and then uhh what about the one perk where you have a chance to BB on hit... also bad?

not there yet either

[spice veldt]

kinetic flayer is mostly just for maintaining your warp charges without needing to BB

[drowsy fjord]

Is there a spot for builds? I know there is the one on the launcher but I feel like that has a bunch of random builds and not really what's metaish

[void mural]

yeah, the only time i use quicken is on my shredder pistol build so I can build warp charges fast. I basically never F on that build

[spice veldt]

so if you didn't pick Psychic Communion as your lvl15 feat, then you'd usually pick kinetic flayer if you don't BB a lot or don't ult with barrage off CD

mostly a quality of life feat

one that I personally like

[obtuse moth]

why is that?

[void mural]

illisi doesn't have as good dodge range

it's still doable

[cyan notch]

or dodge speed

[tight saddle]

So how do you use the newer Force swords?

[ember sentinel]

illsi is very good at horde clear, if you get slaughterer then light attacks arent bad but Heavy 1 -> Light is very good because they are both strictly horizontal slices. The charge up also allows for a ton of cleave but the illsi is so good at horde clear and killing trash that i really just use it for killing elites. You generally want to get flak/unarmored on it for perks, and slaughterer/unstable power for the blessings, but if you get slaughterer it doesnt really matter what you use in the second slot

Deimos is incredible at killing elites, the Heavy stab (heavy 2) can one shot a mutant in the head if you have one warp charge. It is much faster than illisi mobility wise and allows for you to make better use of dodges but illisis are still fine. Deimos is also capable of horde clear if you can get slaughterer, at which point you just light spam your way through a horde since your putting out enough damage to one shot any trash your hitting. The Special is very good for killing carapace up close as well as something like a mutant, however it locks you in place so be careful using it of your surrounded. You want maniac/flak on Deimos and slaughterer/unstable power

blessings are interchangeable so long as you have slaughterer really

[marsh kayak]

thoughts?? running fire staff

[ornate hamlet]

pog

[ember sentinel]

illisi is considered a bit better if that means anything to you

thats my exact build

it is good for purge

[marsh kayak]

sweet

[ember sentinel]

i run that on pretty much everything except gun psyker

[marsh kayak]

gun psyker is a meme

[deft gorge]

no its great

[ember sentinel]

its very good with auto pistol

especially

[tight saddle]

thanks for the breakdown

[marsh kayak]

is it actually?? lmao

[ember sentinel]

its probably stronger than the staffs

tbh

[marsh kayak]

dead serious

[ember sentinel]

dead serious

its mostly because auto pistol is insane though

[ember sentinel]

np

[marsh kayak]

hows it work??

i imagine u use AB for clear

[ember sentinel]

you basically just get pinning fire on the auto pistol which on its own will kill everything

run kinetic flayer and each shot can proc BB

[marsh kayak]

also if u have a build send pls

[ember sentinel]

so you can kill crushers with it

[marsh kayak]

sounds fun

[ember sentinel]

and then you just swap the more warp related feats for stuff like warp charge on kill in coherency

[marsh kayak]

what makes it better than the staves tho?? i imagine purg is like invaluable

[deft gorge]

the john wick factor

[kind jay]

it kills without delays

it's instant damage buffed by 2 power blessings

[ember sentinel]

i dont have a full build for it build for it yet unfort

[rose dagger]

Yea kills faster plus you get your warp charge +dmg stacks

[ember sentinel]

but really just make it so you can get warp charges without needing a bunch of warp attacks and run flayer

and youll be fine

get pinning fire first though

auto pistol without it will be mid

i think 3+ is recommended

then blaze away if you can get it but pinning fire is the important one

[rose dagger]

Wouldn't invest too heavily into it now tho, not unlikely the big patch coming soon™️ will bonk it with nerf hammer

[foggy tangle]

worth grabbing? have slaughterer III saved

[ember sentinel]

Its good other than finesse and youll have one not great perk

But itll probably be fine if you have slaughterer 3

Finesse might put you under some one shot break points with heavy stab since i think that finesse is weakspot damage

[foggy tangle]

ah. do people still use deflector on it?

[ember sentinel]

I run unstable power

But deflector is also common

This is mine

[foggy tangle]

hmm, yea finesse is a bit low maybe I should just wait

[ember sentinel]

If you have nothing better its fine

Just not perfect

But perfect in this game is a bit of a toss up

Given how it works

[foggy tangle]

I got a good illisi just no deimos

kinda wanted to try it

[ember sentinel]

Its a pretty fun weapon esp with slaughterer since you can now horde clear

And then murdering elites is cool too

[shadow wigeon]

Autopistol does not kill crushers. Flayer can only proc once every 15 seconds.

[cyan notch]

you can with blaze away pinning fire

[naive junco]

brooo .. fuck all these vets with plasma my god

absolute trash vs 40 shooters in sight

instead theyll focus melee elites over the shooters ripping everyone apart..

seeing BB on elites running past the mass of shooters, theyll just focus the guy whos being bb. why? nerf plasma so they go back to running lasguns who can actually kill shooters /rant

[kind jay]

devil's advocate but, what was the rest of the team doing?

it isn't really vets sole job to handle that imo. should be a team effort

[cold geode]

plasma is really suited to taking out elites, especially charged up, though you can get a decent number of left clicks before hitting 100% so taking out shooters isn't out of the question

[primal plume]

I think people who dont take multiple wounds on psyker is dumb

had a psyker go down

now hes on 1 down

he died

his first down was from overloading

[bold flint]

itd be dumb if you go down from periling yourself yeah

if you dont and play pretty good then youre free to not take them

[kind jay]

ow my soul

[bold flint]

i wanna rip the bloodthirsty off this so bad

[limber heath]

what does bloodthirsty even mean

[bold flint]

and put it on my meme sword

[limber heath]

like is it a duration buff

[kind jay]

do it

it's 100% crit on next hit or 5secs

[limber heath]

ahh which ever comes first i assume

[kind jay]

if you whiff you lose it too

[bold flint]

eh who even uses specials on the deimos anyway

heavy 2 supremacy

[stable silo]

i do it when i wanna get locked in on a poxwalker when a sniper is lining up a shot

[bold flint]

what perk do i replace and what with

[stable silo]

replace the trash perk with flak or maniac

[kind jay]

maniac to get that sweet one shot poke

so satisfying

[naive junco]

3 vets.. all 3 plasma. literally shooting at the same things im charging bb on

[kind jay]

ok that's just stupid

[ornate hamlet]

Classic player problem tbh

Plasma is pretty decent for shooters, they just gotta aim it and compensate for the charge

[naive junco]

its great for punching through cover too..

[ornate hamlet]

I guess the poor lads are just really hyped to kill elites

[kind jay]

in that situation the best bet is to relay some orders in voice

but with pugs that's gonna be hit or miss

[naive junco]

the sad thing was.. not a single one of them was on the ult that highlights shooters. ogryns.

or didnt have the share feat

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, that's not even necessary

It's good, but it's more a bonus than a must

[bold flint]

all i need now is a trauma staff with blaze on crit and increased crit with peril

[kind jay]

i kinda want more shotty zealots in my teams. those guys are wild

so much fun to surge stuff for them

mandatory surge sux pls buff

[naive junco]

charging should really just allow more targets 😦

[kind jay]

yeah

I'd like a variation of surge where lmb does a constant chain like purge but with limited targets and rmb charge uses a tiny trauma circle to drop a bolt from zeus himself on one target

let me be zeus

[stable silo]

i was gonna say ULIMITED POWAH

[kind jay]

may i please get a crumb of unlimited powah?

[drowsy slate]

I would like to let the voidstrike staff function like plasma gun 🤷

[kind jay]

plasma staff when

[near wyvern]

We have unlimited powah at home, 10% chance every 15 seconds

[kind jay]

[drowsy slate]

Or let voidstrike staff have a crit stat instead of blast radius and just let the blast radius be a fixed amount

Would make surge blessing viable

[kind jay]

fuck it just combine all staves into one

[drowsy slate]

😂

Yes just rip Special attack staff poke out of it and give it a third attack 😂

[kind jay]

i still think staff special should give you a melee buff based on the staff

like for trauma the next 3 melee hits do a small explosion

idk i can't sleep

[meager cedar]

I still want surge to shoot lightning bolts for lmb, even if it's purely cosmetic

[kind jay]

yeah they didn't even give the bolts different looks

lazy

i don't think mods can add effects but maybe effects can be swapped around. hm. maybe I'll ask mod disc at some point

[bold flint]

i really wish soulblaze was applied to targets before they died from an illisi heavy

[naive junco]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[near wyvern]

Some goes for staves to be honest.

[meager cedar]

Can you link the mod discord? Either here or in a DM? I've got an idea for one

[kind jay]

hm im not actually sure how to get a link. im just a regular in there dont think i can invite

dont see it on the list

[meager cedar]

Ah well, if anyone who sees me asking can send invites I'd appreciate it

Can't seem to find it via Google either

[idle bay]

Someone got banned on Google? Found an invite link in a few seconds...

DarkTide Modding Discord https://discord.gg/GFyCGNpJb8

[primal plume]

How do you get banned on google

how much of a psycho do you have to be for google to ban you

[meager cedar]

I won't claim to understand the algorithm but I appreciate the link

[digital loom]

every now and then when i'm tired i find out if i'm carrying or not when i inevitably explode from droopy eyes missing the peril number and the entire team wipes in less than a minute later

[late yew]

You can't carry if you can't even track your peril

[steel egret]

Just blow up at start in order to assert the tone of the run.

[late yew]

I hate low intensity missions

[late yew]

if it only did friendly damage...

[steel egret]

I wish

[idle bay]

There is a way... at least there was a way few years ago to literally got banned on Google 🙂

[prisma condor]

Oh well, better than I got

[vagrant hollow]

reroll harnessing for warp flurry?

[late yew]

6 stacks vs flayer for trauma ?

[digital loom]

flayer so i dont have to get my hands out mid horde

but i use neither lately

[late yew]

so unreliable though

[late yew]

Wildfire with crit build?

[digital loom]

trauma hits a lot of stuff at once

yeah

[late yew]

I am trying it right now

51% charge speed on stuff though

[digital loom]

wildfire trauma is great but the problem is psyker is difficult to carry with because you are punished for bad teamwork whereas on ogryn you aren't punished really

so even if you're a horde clearing god, you can get overwhlemed if everyone else is too slow at killing

you will wind up in some combination of getting shot at, getting meleed, targeted by disabler, targeted b y flamer, targeted by poxwalker sometimes all at once and you will just get completely overwhelmed

because none of your "teammates" are doing teamwork

its not uncommon for runs to end within a minute after i die

because i am doing the majority of 4 people's worth of work

[late yew]

lolwhat

no\

literal skill issue

in fact you are the one capable of carrying a lot

as psyker the most reliable one to kill many specials

especially snipers

[late yew]

... like literally any other class

[late yew]

Sounds like you are actually the one dragging team down lmao

[digital loom]

only because in your head you know nothing

[late yew]

Yeah, no shit you get most damage having horde-clearing build

[digital loom]

who cares about damage, look at horde kill disparity

went down in the last room because i was getting shotgunnered pox walkered dogged flamered and horded all at the same time and nobody thought to fire once in my direction and i wound up getting overwhelmed

then 20 seconds later they were all down

to pox walkers

if there is a skill issue, it isn't mine

i do not have this issue on ogryn

[late yew]

dude

you jave 1200 damage taken

as psyker, you should not have same damage taken as ogryn

[digital loom]

you dont understand how to play the class if you cant tank damage

[late yew]

Of course, because ogryn literally have 3 times more health

You are playing too unsafe with psyker it seems

[digital loom]

kinetic shield reduces all damage because there is no difference between ranged and melee damage for toughness

and i get all of my toughness back instantly

[late yew]

the damage shown only health damage, it does not show toughness damage

[digital loom]

which is why i can take that much damage and not go down

[late yew]

or at least toughness damage taken when you are 100%

[digital loom]

most of it was taken while down anyway

[late yew]

i keep hearing excuses

[digital loom]

i am telling you what happened, you cant gas light me on this

you have zero idea on what you are talking about

[late yew]

The only thing that psyker may struggle and really needs help of vet against is big groups of ranged enemies

Everything else you should be a ble to handle by yourself

[digital loom]

i dont have issues with big groups of ranged enemies

unless i am getting everything at the same time and then its still not an issue with big groups of ranged enemies

but i dont have this issue on ogryn

ogryn strong enough to bulldoze to the end especially with dog and mutant changes

although having another player who is great at specials really helps

[late yew]

Ogryn is weaker class than psyker

just more survavible

[digital loom]

ok

the only reason it took 47 minutes and not 90 minutes is because abc is a really good vet

[late yew]

anyway, show me your trauma staff

[digital loom]

didnt run out of ammo once that's how i know there's a cracked vet on the team

[late yew]

and build

[digital loom]

no

[late yew]

ok little baby

[late yew]

no shit, using cleaver 3

[digital loom]

and why wouldn't i be using one in hi shock

most of those are ripper kills anyway

refinery has some nice chokepoints

[near wyvern]

relay station damnation hi gauntlet, holy shit it was a ride but we did it

[digital loom]

goddamn nice job

i hate relay station

either way i would have been mad because it has no plasteel

[vestal raven]

average scoreboard convo

[idle bay]

0 revives and rescues. So it was a crazy ride, and no one gone down ? 🙂 That's impressive 🙂

[digital loom]

on one hand i want them to fix the resources on relay station because it is tough and that makes it fun

on the other hand if they fix relay station, what else will break

[late yew]

I am not saying you should not. I am saying it is easy to get top damage and top kills when using anti-horde builds

[near wyvern]

that one definitely bugged out, we had like 4 deaths total I think

[digital loom]

its only easy if nobody else brought one which is the issue

but in our case it was total lack of teamwork

[near wyvern]

for the circle arena thingy where you need to gather the batteries we did it so that I was alone fetching the batteries and the 3 others stayed stacked, I went down once and said not to get me up but wait for the res at house, definitely a good strategy

cause the open area is hell

[digital loom]

yeah that area sucks

i just focus on killing everything in the travel path for whatever battery we're on, makes it smoother

unless nobody is getting batteries

then i have a choice, go get the battery while everyone else goes down, or continue chopping logs until one of the special swarms finally gets me

[near wyvern]

yeah but hi gauntlet makes it a bit more difficoult since you have a constant stream of dogs, trappers and flamers coming from all sides

[bold flint]

all the battery carrier has to do is walk to obj and push everything

[digital loom]

yeah itss tough

[near wyvern]

I just crab walked with FS there, made a path with trauma, pick up battery, sprint silde a couple times, make a new path, repeat

[digital loom]

with enough experience you can to some extent precog some things but its always easier said than done

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dancing-crab-party-rave-cool-moves-gif-15701153

[digital loom]

i know what doors the director likes to spawn what at on every map so i just run over to the door and kill whatever sniper or trapper is waiting idle behind the wall

[near wyvern]

gamer moment

[digital loom]

the most dangerous things in that room is the door near the dropdown that the specials usually come out, and the random ranged enemy spawn you can get piling out either the door next to the button, or the door on the left of the fan path

they come out silent and shooting so when you're near either you have to keep eyeball on them

bombers usually like coming out the door on the left of the fan path

but it depends

[late yew]

What you think of that? @near wyvern

[digital loom]

they come out of the button door if you are waiting by the fan

usually

[late yew]

i say psyker is the most/second most capable class of carrying

Ogryn can clutch, but can't really cary

Zealot can't really do either

only vet and psyker can carry

[digital loom]

person who character attacked and tried to gas light as the majority of their argument is now doing one of those haha funny "lets talk about this person to another person like this person isn't here"

[late yew]

are you high

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-smile-smirk-happy-content-gif-10332058

[late yew]

i never attacked you

eh

[digital loom]

if you say so

[late yew]

actually did, but only after you started being ass

and saying "baby" is not really an attack

for people like you any disagreement = personal attack apparently

And not everything revolves around you

i asked question to Psygex because i want to know his opinion on carry potential of psyker

[ornate hamlet]

Is this a good combo, for later?

[late yew]

no

about the 2 worst blessings in the game

[restive slate]

Limbsplitter can work if you spam Heavy1 ... whether that's preferable or not is another matter

[bold flint]

might as well use a different harder hitting axe at that point lmao

[late yew]

Engagement zone only adds lesser enemies, while shocktroop gauntlet only adds specials?

[obtuse moth]

@digital loom i think losing one person can commonly lead to a wipe, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that person doing the majority of the work. getting pulled out of position, losing health and other resources to attempt a save, losing a specific squad role, 25% of your dps, capacity to handle specials/hard targets/more fronts etc
in addition, some squads have stabilisers and losing that role can greatly increase the squads capacity to wipe even though they may not be doing the majority of anything

[obtuse moth]

scoreboard never shows revives/rescues/downs unfortunately :<

[digital loom]

ye that's usually the role i fill on team

i am usually the one making space for others by murdering everything i can see

vet is far more useful when they can shoot the special clowncar instead of being stuck in melee

just need someone to look in my direction every once and aa while

even wood chippers can run out of gas

[obtuse moth]

any class can carry, its more about the player than the class

[digital loom]

i have my biggest carries on ogryn, they're always massive

i had one huge one on vet once with the kant shotgun

but otherwise all ogryn

dont really have carries on psyker tbh

its usually just ride or die

either its smooth or everybody is dead, no inbetween

especially now that dogs and mutants are easier

mutant swarms aren't absolutely insane anymore

[obtuse moth]

That hasn't been my experience on psyker. I find you can do some pretty good saves but I do find it harder to personally solo on. But preventing that and killing hasn't been an issue for me.

[digital loom]

depends on how much debt you're in tbh

as long as you can keep up with the spawns its smooth barring any unforeseen moments

like being in the middle of transit to the next objective in an event room only to wind up getting pinned down by 4 snipers in an area where you cant get the 8 pox bursters running to your location , that well

all it takes is 20-30 seconds of this clownery and you're left laughing at the outcome and going back to the mourningstar

the only consolation at least is that when the run falls apart, it only ever does so on the extremes

[late yew]

Ogryn really can't

[cyan notch]

it doesnt count damage taken while down

that was all actual health damage

[digital loom]

but i only used med station twice and only got 50 health from that medpack

i dont get it

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401710

where did it get this damage from then

i wrote it off with assumption because it seemed like a pretty normal game so i wonder where it got 1.2k from

very strange

[cyan notch]

well it says u used 3 medstations and there were 3 medipacks deployed

seems like enough for 1.2k

[digital loom]

something here isn't adding up so its either a source i don't know about or i'm being lied to for shits and giggles

i didnt use those

i'll just consider it as either unknown source or someone trolling me

o yea it does say 3

in the beginning i used a charge to get rid of some corruption from slug

but still, pretty sure its some combination of unknown source and trolling by people on the internet who have nothing better to do than gaslight people into thinking that they're the problem

it is what it is, i was there and you weren't so what do you know

[cyan notch]

its neither unknown source or people gaslighting you

you just took that much health damage

[digital loom]

but from where

and how

in no way was it a game where i was taking lots of damage, and yet it's there so the game must have figured it somehow

i wish there was a way to test this

something that happened in the game caused this number to appear but i don't know what

guess i'll never know

i have an idea or two but there's no reason to test

[late yew]

lmao

that denial

[digital loom]

says the guy who immediately told me i have a skill issue at the beginning of the argument

[late yew]

yeah, so?

[digital loom]

your entire argument was an insult right from the start so I am supposed to take anything you say seriously?

[late yew]

Skill issue is an insult?

lmao

[digital loom]

after that it became a way to pass time/entertainment

[late yew]

get out of your own ass

[digital loom]

oh wow another insult how original

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-giggle-trying-not-to-laugh-ryan-gosling-thats-funny-gif-17307391

[cyan notch]

you can just pull out the scoreboard if you think youre taking damage from this "unknown source" next time and see if your damage taken stat changes

as u can see downed damage doesnt count

246 is my max health and it only shows 246 damage taken

[late yew]

holy shit your game is so smooth

[digital loom]

i already agreed to this yet you're going this far anyway

lol thanks for the effort i guess

[cyan notch]

just telling you how to test it

[digital loom]

i will probably forget because i don't care about trying to prove things to strangers on the internet

but thank you anyways

[obtuse crypt]

wildfire do be pretty funny

I want this in mk V version

[digital loom]

it works good on obscurus?

[cyan notch]

you dont need to prove anything to strangers just yourself ur the only one who thinks theres an unknown source

[digital loom]

why would i care about that when its just a video game

its interesting now for the sake of amusement but i will forget later

[late yew]

be careful, you might start gaslighting him

[digital loom]

lol

[digital loom]

i have shred 4 i think, I'm going to try this out

only done with bloodlust so far

[past bear]

Cant find a decent transfer peril blessing, but happy with this staff

[ornate hamlet]

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on which of the staves is the most beneficial to the team? I am a Zealot main so... like use small words?

[past bear]

Surge is the CC staff and is the most support-y. Thats the lightning one

[meager cedar]

It depends on what slot in the team you're filling, but other classes can't really stun like surge can

Like if everyone's short range for whatever reason, Voidstrike wouldn't be a bad choice

[static agate]

Surge = Electricity lightning that flies out and stuns enemies, does xtra damage aginst armored guys, less against unarmoired
Purgatus = Flamethrower, see the enemy melt. Kills everything given time, except the Bullwark.
Trauma = Circle on ground that blows enemies up. Somewhat low damage, but blows hordes and enemies all over the placed even if tey dont die
Void = You throw a ball of power at enemy. Had explosion upon contact.

[ornate hamlet]

Thanks!

[obtuse moth]

trauma is a cc staff that can horde clear really well and can make a really safe space around your tam

but it requires a high level to get good rolls and requires good stats

void is a lowish damage horde clear that can clear entire lines of enemies really well, best long range staff

[past bear]

probably also the hardest one to use

trauma(

[obtuse moth]

ye

[obtuse moth]

@ purge do you mean crushers? it kills bulwarks really well just as collateral as soon as they open up

[magic burrow]

which melee would you pair with trauma?

[obtuse moth]

depends on how good you are with trauma and your blessing setup, but i'd say illisi unless you're super comfortable

[magic burrow]

this worth buying from Melk?

does transfer peril even work on trauma?

[late yew]

no

[drowsy slate]

If someday there will be a change to transfer peril or there will be other equinox MK‘s maybe transfer peril can get worth 🤷

Never bad to have every t4 blessings as they are hard to get atm

But that are only my 2 cents

[cyan portal]

In the clip your final damage is 402? maybe there is a delay between taking damage and it showing up on scoreboard

[obtuse moth]

it does on the left clicks

so if you wanted to spam left clicks for some reason it would work, its decent if you wanted to quell cancel rapid fire. although ive never used transfer peril on trauma i have considered it on occasion for the long range utility

[cyan notch]

thats enemies staggered

also the full clip is much longer and i looked at it later on its still showed 246

[cyan portal]

right you are, its late

[white cedar]

I saw Psyker in my team use Deimos special+charge attack stabbing boss faster than zealot using knife normal attack. 😂

[cyan notch]

that doesnt make sense

[white cedar]

I think he using "tech priest" too much

[cyan portal]

I think I saw a clip of that the other day on reddit

[idle bay]

There are animation cancel for Deimos thrust heavy

[white cedar]

blame machine spirit in his PC

[idle bay]

That allows really fast poking

[white cedar]

interesting 🤔

[idle bay]

I've seen a video of it on reddit this week.

[cyan portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12vjsq5/making_the_most_out_of_the_deimos_light_stab/

[idle bay]

Looks like it,

[cyan portal]

probably ideal use case is vs assassin boss shield

[white cedar]

so...

special cancel+ realese heavy early?

[spice oar]

trying to get the blow your self up penance but can never get a situation where A blowing up wont cause a wipe B the elites wont be killed by the time i die

i just want my hood man

[white cedar]

that 3 elite things?

[spice oar]

yeah

[white cedar]

it have a map to do

[spice oar]

which one?

[white cedar]

I think this one

[spice oar]

thx

[white cedar]

when elevator is button is on, it will spawn 3 shortgunner at that pillar

100% spawn

[cyan notch]

even with those cancels its not faster than knife lights

[granite dust]

#psyker-class message

[white cedar]

yah, I think I saw faster than that video but may be I don't have enough time to watch him carefully

[granite dust]

@spice oar - video with place : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPuomcGXrns

[white cedar]

may be normal light+block cancel with macro hold loop

[granite dust]

made it on heresy after 1st run with prep instead of trying to be luck (3 weeks in row)

Kinetic Deflection + Deflector is combo - you just gather mob with full health - once you reach 100% you use purg staff into air and boom

[spice oar]

i be missing normal map selection now since comms plex aint even on

[iron star]

is that goood and what perk should i change the ssprint or ranged

?

[kind jay]

change barrage to flurry and sprint to flak or maniac

[iron star]

if i have it ok but what about perks 😄

[tall temple]

the surge secondary cant hit weak spots right>?

[kind jay]

sprint to flak or maniac

I'm not sure tbh but lmb can

[iron star]

kk

[kind jay]

sprint is just useless

[spice oar]

idk man i be usain bolt

[kind jay]

[leaden thunder]

sprint eff is kinda nice tbh

if you actually use it

since sprinting with stam makes you take no ranged damage if you are at an angle

better then weakspot at least

[kind jay]

that doesnt seem worth the loss of a damage bonus

you can just slide to cover that

[leaden thunder]

I mean it's a non existant damage bonus vs something that can be useful

in this case

[kind jay]

it could be, but realistically how many people will actually make use of it

especially on a surge

[leaden thunder]

considering how fucked weakspot damage is

obv it's not ideal

but it's gonna do more then weakspot on the surge

[ember sentinel]

is weakspot really that bad?

[leaden thunder]

yes

[ember sentinel]

i dont run it on anything

but i wasnt sure if it was actually that ass

[leaden thunder]

the math on it is terrible

say your weapon does 100 damage and 140 weakspot damage

10% weakspot perk

makes you deal 144 damage

[ember sentinel]

oh

yeah thats pretty ass

i cant imagine that even gets you breakpoints

with a perfect roll

[leaden thunder]

it probably only could on an imperfect roll of some specific weapon

[ember sentinel]

other than maybe hammer with unyielding

but even then

[cyan portal]

"FatsharkCatfish
Community Manager
1h
Hi!
We will be reducing the intensity of the Soulblaze visual effects in the next patch!"

[kind jay]

oh thank fuck

[halcyon creek]

I just wish Bloom was a slider instead of a toggle On/Off

[midnight phoenix]

uhhh

ok

[late yew]

Bloom alwayts bad

and so is depth of field

and grainy effect

and motion blur

[halcyon creek]

Eh, a little bloom can be pretty. Agreed with you on the rest, definitely. And I understand the appeal of no bloom for better target acquisition.

Maybe a little depth of field / focal plane can be nice. Although, so can crisp clear views of the whole scene

[cyan notch]

where was this

[late yew]

Gotta love people who instantly leave upon being downed

[white cedar]

Pergatus+Intense Fog=Blind

[iron star]

good shit now i need change blassing and its rdy

[agile garden]

Purgatus: Has anyone tested out a build that uses Ascendant Blaze, Kinetic Flayer, Cerebral Lacerations, and Wrack and Ruin/Warp Unleashed? Vs 111212

I feel like Purgatus can't really compete because everything is dying so fast my soulblaze can't really do its thing.

[agile garden]

10% of 140 is 14, so 154

[leaden thunder]

yes,

execpt

that isn't what the math is

it takes 10% of the bonus damage

and adds that

[kind jay]

nice! itll work just fine as is, but flurry will definitely help

[agile garden]

Eiw

[iron star]

well i need find it XD either 3 or 4 XD

[kind jay]

good luck. try crafting blues from brunt. surge has like 5 blessings so it shouldnt take long to get one

[iron star]

that im doing XD

[cyan portal]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/tone-down-psykers-visual-effects/78893/4

[ornate hamlet]

Give me a bloody particle slider

[magic burrow]

I want to make the flames more intense

[grizzled jasper]

I want a blessing that does nothing but make the effects more bright for everyone

[idle bay]

With strobe light effect for guarantied epilepsy upon seeing it 🙂

[undone oriole]

guys think is it worth to agonize over getting a high tier deflector blessing or is like tier 2 getting 90% of the value

[west galleon]

Oi vey

[leaden thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[cyan notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[kind jay]

all deflector tiers are fine

a few more % block isnt gonna make or break anything

[near wyvern]

1. Cerebral lacerations requires you to BB or get the KF proc. This will increase your damage by 25% on a SINGLE target for 5 seconds. BB takes 3 seconds to cast in the first place...
2. You could just run Psycinetic's Aura with KF to pump out 4 stack ABs at a pretty high rate greatly increasing the damage on all of your targets.
3. Why would you not run Warp Unleashed?
4. Point 3 and in order for WR to work you have to land a 3 second cast on enemies that need to die ASAP so vets usually get there before you do.

Sorry for not formatting properly but they have an auto moderator bot here that is on a war against good clarity format posts.

[slate creek]

on topic of deflectors, what's the highest tier? 3? 4?

[near wyvern]

4, but as a side note it doesn't currently matter

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/deflector-blessing-block-cost-reduction-is-not-working/77907

[rich rose]

On my Psyker no less LOL

[slate creek]

thank you sibling :)

[near wyvern]

Interesting, stacks 5 times. So the current max rending (stacks additively with Brittleness) is 165%. So you can deal 1.65 times the damage on a crusher that you deal to a unarmoured enemy. LOL

Too bad you loose it if it doesn't kill

FS with uncanny strike can get to 100% and 140% with someone doing rending shockwave and those are easy to keep up tho

[obtuse crypt]

funny

fiore

[near wyvern]

I have a Bromentum 4 Shred 4 Antax with 378 base on my zealot, gets ult back in 2 crits when bashing horde with the crit refund 30 feat.

[near wyvern]

It just doesn't work that well because stuff dies. If the crits were active for the old 5 seconds it would be amazing.

That warp resist roll is erotic tho

[late yew]

6 stacks vs kinetic flayer for trauma?

[peak sleet]

what should i be looking for in perks?

[near wyvern]

Battery for both, Flurry and Spirit Nexus

[near wyvern]

+crit chance, +maniac, +flak

Avoid at all cost:
+carapace
+crit damage
+Weakspot damage
+stamina

The rest are ok but definitely not ideal.

[late yew]

for both?

also crit vs rending shockwave?

[near wyvern]

Rending Shockwave, check the crit damage vs regular damage, it's not that impressive. Rending Shockwave increases the damage output if your horde clearers against hard to kill targets.

[near wyvern]

Flurry trauma is one option and the other is Spirit Nexus or nowadays Spirit HarnessingTheWarp

[cyan portal]

I'd assumed rending capped a y effect at 100%. How sure are you that it starts giving you bonus damage?

[agile garden]

It is true that you need a 3 sec BB to proc most of that stuff, but with KF it is insta cast while you are doing what you normally do anyway. So after the horde is cleared I get at least 2 BB vs bigger guys, especially bosses.

The reason why I am thinking W&R is possibly no good is because it needs to hit an elite, which is pretty hit and miss when you are purging a horde and there are a few elites mixed in .

Average on damnation, I can get around 100 on my offensive score.with this, but it goes down with high front loaded DPS groups.

[near wyvern]

Never assume things in Fatshark games

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/brittleness-and-rending-can-stack-over-100/78700

[cyan portal]

Does it work with a uncanny strike + ruthless backstab combat dagger?

[obtuse moth]

honestly im fine with it not boosting damage against unarmored only or itd flat out be a dps increase blessing, specialising against armor while not having benefits against regular targets works thematically too

[near wyvern]

If you have Cerebral Lacerations on a bigger guy I dunno what you are doing with your purgatus out, so the question was if CL is worth for buffing the blaze damage -> no.

Is it a good feat otherwise -> absolutely. Is KF a good feat to run with Purge -> yes if you pair it with AB and PA. Is KF a good feat to pair with CL? Yes if you play guns with decent fire rate, Illisi mandatory in the melee slot in that case.

WR is is a lot of damage... But only if you are able to land it. Most often you channel for 2 to 2.5 seconds and then the vet kills your target (rightfully so, specials and elites should die ASAP). At this time you could have applied around 7 stacks of blaze + stagger to everything in front of you.

Don't use the scoreboard to track the DPS, it's way too many variables there going on. Get the creature Spawner, make a scenario for you with a collection of mobs. Time it when you kill them a couple times for an average and repeat the same mobs with an other build if you want to compare pure DPS performance.

[near wyvern]

Haven't tested so can't answer that.

[cyan portal]

I'll let you know then

[near wyvern]

@cyan portal you need to have a dagger with both of the blessings and then another with only backstab or use Hadron to test with and without Uncanny Strike since it's undocumented if backstab even works when hitting the head from behind.

And you may need to use a crusher as a target, it might get tricky to hit the head from behind tho 😅

Check the damage tables, if a damage value does the same as unarmoured then it will not work against that.

[cyan portal]

uncanny strike holds charge for 3 sec or so, so can use body hits to test. Plan is, t3 backstab t4 uncanny. get 5 stacks uncanny then see if same dmg front vs back.

so at no stacks uncanny, 46 front and 88 back. at 5 stacks uncanny 151 front and 192 back.

answer seems to be that yes it does indeed seem to boost dmg

[leaden thunder]

if your uncanny is t4 and stacks to 100% adding more regular rending does nothing iirc

[obtuse moth]

oh uh btw iirc combat blades treat backstabs as headshots

test it without the backstab blessing

[cyan portal]

Hmm, i am seeing bigger numbers backstabbing head than mid back

backstab is locked on this blade unfortunately

[obtuse moth]

did you test side vs center back?

you could try just plopping uncanny on a blue

[lethal folio]

Decaptitator on its own goes to 125%

[cyan portal]

gonna see different numbers unless dmg 1st target and fin are the same though

[cyan portal]

From my testing it appears to do work past 100%

[obtuse moth]

its relative differences based on attacks that we're testing not absolute numerical superiority. regardless unless you have a really poor roll the extra ~30%? damage should be apparent

[lethal folio]

who says it doesn't go past 100%?

[leaden thunder]

I did, but haven't looked at the code nor tested it deeply, I assumed from being told that you can stack brittleness and rending to 140% that normal rending couldn't do that

[cyan portal]

I'll load up a clip to yt with proof

[leaden thunder]

if tyr mentions it can I believe you

[old field]

Oi, does kinetic barrage still work ?? because i have the feeling it s a lot more slower to brain burst than before (during the effect)

[summer prairie]

it's just the specific blessings that cap the stacks

not the actual rending_damage calculation

[late yew]

i feel like trauma really needs warp resistance

[cyan portal]

https://youtu.be/XnaZ4LDPLMo will take a while to process to hd to make numbers clear

[leaden thunder]

tbh I also didn't even realize they some weapons could even get to over 100% rending becuase I forget the knife exists sometimes and I haven't looked at the decap blessing

[cyan portal]

The next question I wonder is what interaction the pen stat has on the final numbers. Maybe low pen will give higher final numbers?

[stuck sinew]

What the heck is this blessing, never seen it before and I've played hundreds of hours

[leaden thunder]

it is warp nexus

they changed it's name for some reason

[stuck sinew]

oh

When?!

[leaden thunder]

like last hotfix

[stuck sinew]

Also great description there

[obtuse moth]

when they broke the tooltip and then had to fix it

[leaden thunder]

they broke it's descriptions

[cyan portal]

'based' is the new psyker stat, pretty op

[halcyon creek]

Psykers are definitely 4% to 16% based

On Peril-pilled

[stuck sinew]

Peril-pilled warpcels

[gloomy gulch]

not sure what his happening I got another 380 today

havent seen one is so long and 4 over the last 2 days

[summer prairie]

You couldn't get any for a while until the recent bigger patch, though many 379s were basically 380.

[gloomy gulch]

weird

[old field]

btw i find out something weird with kinetic barrage IDK if this is already know ...

[near wyvern]

So it stacks additively just like brittleness

[old field]

it seem like it don t work consistently when we are using a saber

[ornate hamlet]

[old field]

but with a force sword it work as normal

[obtuse moth]

fwiw barrage doesn't work if you're already channeling, have to activate it and then start a brain burst

[near wyvern]

Yeah you gotta pop ult first and then cast. If you pop ult while casting it will only reduce the cast finish cost for the current cast and then starts to work normally.

[spice owl]

Ok so the surge staff. Do you prefer ascendant blaze or kinetic barrage?

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic barrage so I'm capable of killing things

[static agate]

Does anyone know, or have a link to somewhere where the information is, about how much each soulblaze stack does in damage/stack?
I'm after a full list between 1-16 dmg/stack.

[spice owl]

I just know the breakpoints

But doesnt it just go 1-2-4-8-16-32 etc

Oh i see what you mean

[static agate]

I have read on forum that its not quite like that. Theres a small modifier inbetween each reducing the soulblaze damage

[spice owl]

Mb

[summer prairie]

no guarantees

[static agate]

I just want some confirmations, with data on each dmg/stack

[static agate]

Thank you!

[summer prairie]

silence

not sure how that is possible since I didn't manually type them

[cyan notch]

[late yew]

Vet is ridicilous

[atomic forum]

how bad is it gonna get bricked...

[vestal raven]

the potential is too high

insta bricked

[near wyvern]

The Psyker Atheneum (pinned messages) all data tested in game and fitted with non linear solver (Ipoot on Julia 1.8) since the game UI rounds up damage numbers

Section 5 is soulblaze

[drowsy slate]

Tomorrow comlink better wait before you gamble

[hexed ether]

what are the blessing you would want on an traume staff?

[atomic forum]

eh, uncanny and horde damage works well enough i suppose. just gotta slap slaughterer on

[vestal raven]

flurry and the brittleness

[ionic needle]

Ouch

[runic nest]

Weak perks, but the sword hardly needs them. As you said, swap out executor for slaughterer and you're off to the races.

[long wharf]

it's not that those blessings "work well enough"

those blessings are shit - the sword itself "works well enough"

but if you want to cut through the horde like a hot knife through butter, you want Slaughterer

[atomic forum]

uncanny strike slaughterer is fine. what else are you gonna put on there. unstable power is fine and what i run currently but having rending in horde situations is fine for dealing with maulers and crushers and stuff

by horde damage i meant the groaner damage lol not executor

executor is like. wow a slaughterer stack at max. pog

[tropic vigil]

should i buy this, lose the %1 health and reroll curio chance?

[rich rose]

So I feel bad about what I am "about" to do. I don't have Decapitator in my combat axe Library so was planning to "Earn the Blessing." (cringe)

Been using it all day, love it, but need it in my library

[tropic vigil]

youll get another good stat one eventually

[long wharf]

I'd even go so far to say that you really don't need uncanny strike on Illisi because it's really meant for the horde

which means your ranged should be for everything else

and for whatever your Illisi and ranged isn't for, BB is

I could maybe see uncanny strike on Deimos

[spice veldt]

though being able to kill elites with melee means maintaining slaughterer stacks

[long wharf]

you aren't attacking as fast with Deimos, though

[spice veldt]

that's the one use case I can think of

[long wharf]

that's true

[rich rose]

Yea I don't use those, I use axes lol

[long wharf]

not much lives when you have full slaughterer and power-on-peril stacks going

you're just charging and cutting everything in half with the Illisi at that point

I recently got a decently rolled power sword with power cycler and slaughterer 4

it's slightly better than Illisi

[devout sentinel]

tried this thing for a couple missions. it rips hard

only really used staves so far on psyker

[rich rose]

Trying the Ilisi again, I hated it prior but I have Slaughter III now

[long wharf]

I can't bring myself to use guns on my psyker

it feels very wrong

[rich rose]

I have used Shredder

[spice veldt]

toughness gen is the main thing that concerns me, but having access to ranged burst DPS feels good to me

[coarse dagger]

i guess getting unstable is better than shred

[long wharf]

yeah, I've seen the Shredder in action

[mortal crest]

It's an absolute monster with Slaughterer III and deflector.

[long wharf]

it's a beast... but it's still a gun

I'll stick with the warp

[spice veldt]

peril glock when

[long wharf]

I do want to see a gun psyker subclass that focuses on pistols

[devout sentinel]

most psyker randoms that I run into in missions use purg or surge so its nice to bring something else to the team with a rifle

[long wharf]

but until then, I'll stick with being a human flamethrower or lightning thrower

[mortal crest]

Not a fan of Trauma?

[long wharf]

I've started running purge more frequently, as it feels a lot better than it used to

I hate the Trauma staff

[mortal crest]

I used to, but it's kind of a beast right now.

[long wharf]

I hate the aiming and the way it throws things around

[mortal crest]

If you charge it up fully, it'll deal with groups of enemies before they can do anything.

[long wharf]

it'll deal with a small group of enemies

[mortal crest]

The aiming is a bit janky, but you get used to it. I like it for keeping teammates at full toughness/HP, too.

[river sand]

thats the funny thing purg and surge are without any doubt the weakest staves we have

[mortal crest]

Easily

Surge is garbage, I think.

[long wharf]

everything not entirely within the inner radius is tickled as its thrown

oh you sweet summer child

[mortal crest]

That's why you put what needs to die in the inner circle.

[coarse dagger]

ayyy finally

[spice veldt]

if you're the first to engage, trauma can chunk a group of enemies, though that's not always guaranteed and melee usually accomplishes the same

[long wharf]

surge's greatness isn't its damage

[mortal crest]

6 targets stunned ain't shit when there's a mixed horde. Trauma will kill anything weak and stagger anything larger with a full charge.

[long wharf]

shame about the damage, but still decent

[long wharf]

correct, and a mixed horde is not what the surge is for

[coarse dagger]

yeh it was best i got at the time

[river sand]

purg is only good if the rest of your team does nothing. but usually everything you could do dmg on is dead by the time you stack soublaze high enough. but that could be my fault cause i usually run trauma or void and the purg psyker in my team ends up with maybe 1/3 of my dmg done

[mortal crest]

What is it for besides armor?

[long wharf]

the only time you surge a horde is for when it's about to catch a teammate off-guard

[coarse dagger]

gonna try for a better one but that takes time with our slot machines

[long wharf]

sadly

[mortal crest]

You could do the same with trauma, no?

Just boop them with a weak special if it's something small.

[long wharf]

until the trauma aims through walls

[coarse dagger]

still i underestimated the illisi. with these blessings its fun

[river sand]

nothing, it can stun small groups and has mediocre kill potential on flak

[long wharf]

and has greater range

[mortal crest]

The circle goes through walls.

You can kill bursters through doors with it.

[long wharf]

that's nice

[river sand]

trauma has really really good dmg and limitless stun potential. knocking things over even keeps em outa fight for longer than surge stun

[long wharf]

a good surge staff user makes a run easier for everyone

nobody plays perfectly all the time

[mortal crest]

You could say the same about most staffs.

[long wharf]

it's a tactical weapon, not a dps weapon

[river sand]

and a good trauma user completly trivialises runs

[mortal crest]

Real

[spice veldt]

well yeah; none of the current staffs are DPS weapons

[mortal crest]

Group of shooters about to dunk on you? Just run in and blow them up before they do shit.

[spice veldt]

the main advantage of trauma has always been its stagger

[mortal crest]

The damage nowadays isn't even bad, either.

[devout sentinel]

seeing chunks fly is a lot of fun

[mortal crest]

For real.

[long wharf]

the problem is that on heresy+ you aren't one-shotting entire groups of enemies with trauma

[mortal crest]

You are on Damnation.

[long wharf]

trauma's crit damage is straight garbage

[mortal crest]

Depends on the enemies, but full charge on shooters is a kill.

[long wharf]

you do more spreading enemies around

and that's a danger to the team

[spice veldt]

non-elites get one shot if you've got warp charges/unarmoured

[mortal crest]

100%

[spice veldt]

that's if you use trauma for pure hordes

[river sand]

compare just the cc. trauma has a tiny bit more range, way faster charge rate, the better stun except for muties and no target limit

[mortal crest]

Not if you dunk it on their feet.

[spice veldt]

which is the one use case that I strictly disagree with the trauma's usage for

[mortal crest]

Illisi for hordes, yeah.

Infinite dodge against hordes with slaughterer turns you into a lawn mower.

[spice veldt]

it's just a matter of using it when it's appropriate

[long wharf]

when FartShart fixes the aiming, I'll give Trauma another try

[river sand]

you learn to aim -> you are no danger to the team, if you throw stuff behind lines -> just clean up

the only flaw on trauma is aiming on stairs

[mortal crest]

Yeah, and again you can just hit a low charge special next to someone if you see them about to get hit anyway.

Or throw a Pokeball at it.

Lol

[mortal crest]

Vertically aiming sucks, too.

Enemies on a ledge is kinda iffy sometimes.

[long wharf]

trauma doesn't have as much range as surge does

[spice veldt]

though you can sort of game the aim if you stand a distance away

[mortal crest]

If you want range use a Void staff.

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure about the range since I don't use the surge

but range has never been much of a problem for me

[mortal crest]

Me, neither.

[river sand]

surge has 20m

[spice veldt]

really just the finickyness of aiming at the far edge

[mortal crest]

Force Sword dodge into range lol

Or slide.

[spice veldt]

not even FS dodge

[mortal crest]

BB if it's really that far.

[spice veldt]

just sprint-slide with trauma

[mortal crest]

Yeah.

[spice veldt]

focused channeling babyyyyyyyy

[long wharf]

the range is important, because it allows you to close distances safely without screwing up your teammates attacks

[mortal crest]

Actual must-have blessing on any staff.

[long wharf]

focused channeling isn't must-have on anything but trauma

[mortal crest]

It's a must have on surge.

[long wharf]

entirely wrong

[mortal crest]

And purge.

[long wharf]

wrong again

[mortal crest]

Lmao

[spice veldt]

range is important indeed, and the trauma has an 8.4 meter radius circle of stagger

[long wharf]

you shouldn't be getting meleed when you have purge or range

[spice veldt]

it's a bit hard to compare the "range" of surge and trauma

[river sand]

focus channeling is not completly useless, but not needed

[mortal crest]

Shooters are what I'm actually talking about.

[long wharf]

you should always be focusing on nearest targets to you

[mortal crest]

Being interrupted by a single stray round kills you.

[long wharf]

funny thing about surge though - you can dodge out of cover, attack, and dodge back while your enemies shock

[spice veldt]

if my team is already fighting off the horde, then I might as well kill shooters

[mortal crest]

Yeah.

[mortal crest]

You can aim trauma around objects.

Or blow stuff up through them.

With a large enough circle.

[spice veldt]

though I usually just hold W into shooters with melee instead of trauma nowadays

[mortal crest]

Lol

[mortal crest]

Sliding, infinite dodge, and deflector is kinda disgusting.

Not even considering ulting if you really wanna be safe.

[long wharf]

I kind of think the infinite dodge of the fswords is going to be changed in the future

[mortal crest]

It's a bit broken if I'm honest.

[spice veldt]

probably

[mortal crest]

Spamming it makes you almost invulnerable.

[spice veldt]

it really diminishes the ranged aspect of the combat

[mortal crest]

Yeah, it's nuts.

[long wharf]

I don't want psyker nerfs, but it very much breaks psyker "glass cannon" concept

[mortal crest]

I don't care too much about the concepts.

Just think it's fun.

[long wharf]

you may not, but FartShart does (and so do a lot of the players)

sure it's fun, but it's also broken

[mortal crest]

I've not really heard many people talking about it until now.

[near wyvern]

Yeah they are most likely putting a limit on it like 10 or 20 cause at the current state you can just outrun everything else except maybe mutants and dogs with it

[mortal crest]

10-20 would still be monstrous.

I just hope they don't nerf it to garbage.

[long wharf]

Deimos crab dodging is just.... stupid

silly stupid

[mortal crest]

Even dogs sometimes if you time it right attack and get left behind lol

Crab away

[spice veldt]

just a combination of the mobility and killing power

esp with something like the illisi

[mortal crest]

Yeah.

[near wyvern]

Deimos gang be like

[mortal crest]

The stun before pushing which makes you completely reset everything around you is insane, too.

[long wharf]

yep, with the Illisi, my psyker is a fucking crackhead using a slapchop

dodge-chop-dodge-chop

nothing lives

[mortal crest]

Deimos is neat, but Illisi I find more fun.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long wharf]

containing a horde single-handedly is so easy

[mortal crest]

For real.

[long wharf]

yeah, I prefer the Illisi as well

[mortal crest]

Teammates firing into a horde that you're lawn mowering down alone is hilarious.

[spice veldt]

if we're strictly comparing between melee weapons and ignoring ranged weapons, illisi is the best

[mortal crest]

Easily.

[spice veldt]

for me, I have a melee focus, so illisi is consequently my beloved

[mortal crest]

The special is such a nice complement, too. Run up to the group, slice 5 of them in half, and you're at full stacks of balanced slaughterer.

Lol

[long wharf]

it's a very close comparison between the ideal power sword and ideal Illisi

[near wyvern]

Well here is the thing. You can sprint at the cost of stamina for some time, and you get more damage to your toughness if you get hit, OR, you can crab walk while blocking and be slightly faster while blocking anything that hits you but it's just a bit harder to see where you are going

[mortal crest]

Maybe a take people don't love, but I'd take the Illisi over the power sword any day of the week right now.

[spice veldt]

though I'd say the illisi is much more of a generalist weapon than the power sword

[mortal crest]

I have power cycler and slaughterer on the PS I use, and it's still no competition.

[spice veldt]

and the ability to spam heavy-specials without much consequence because of infinite dodges makes it stronger overall

[long wharf]

but factor in the psyker blocking and stamina regen, and vets wish they had it as easy as the psyker

[mortal crest]

Strong, sure, but Illisi is disgusting.

[long wharf]

yeah, even just spamming light attacks, Illisi comes out ahead

[mortal crest]

I'd argue Illisi spamming light attacks is why I use it.

Kills hordes of trash so fast.

[spice veldt]

:(

[near wyvern]

Yeah levelling up my veteran makes me nervous when I am waiting for that stamina to come back

[mortal crest]

Super fun.

[spice veldt]

lights have 2 cleave

[long wharf]

same

[spice veldt]

heavies have 6 cleave

[mortal crest]

Doesn't matter.

They can't hit me anyway.

[long wharf]

and yet the number of light attacks I get in makes it fun

[mortal crest]

Real

Blender gameplay

[spice veldt]

enemies that you don't kill = enemies that your teammates kill

[mortal crest]

Oh no?

If you're dodging back and forth nothing gets through anyway.

[long wharf]

in the charge-heavy cycle, you can't just stand in front of the horde charging

[spice veldt]

sure you can

[near wyvern]

Heavy spam is your best DPS with illisi but you have to dodge. Heavy light is a very solid option and a bit safer as well. Light spam only when in panic mode.

[mortal crest]

You can dodge back to mitigate it pretty easily, but I do like spamming lights after getting slaughterer up with a heavy special.

[spice veldt]

just spam dodges at the correct timing

[mortal crest]

That's what I do.

Dodge is on a mouse button.

[spice veldt]

the key is to ideally dodge sideways

[long wharf]

honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Illisi light attacks "accidentally" cleave more than the indicated number

[mortal crest]

Wouldn't, either.

[spice veldt]

nah, they definitely don't

[long wharf]

it doesn't feel like the light attacks only hit 2

[rich rose]

Ok, yes Illis is a completely different sword with Slaughter

[mortal crest]

It's actually broken lmao

Love it.

[near wyvern]

I have found two dodges to the side usually works wonders, no matter the weapon you are using. You could also just crouch slide but that will fuck up head hits.

[mortal crest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich rose]

If its broken I can't wait to see it FIXED lol

[mortal crest]

Sometimes I do that just so teammates can do stuff without be blocking their line of fire.

[mortal crest]

NO PLEASE

[long wharf]

you'll cry when it gets fixed

[mortal crest]

L SHARK WILL COME FOR IT.

Fun is NOT allowed.

[long wharf]

and we'll all wax poetic for the days when the Illisi was the best melee weapon in the game

[rich rose]

I have Slaughter and Deflector III on it

[mortal crest]

That combo, I think, is my favorite.

[near wyvern]

Footage of Psyker pushing through horde with Slaughterer Illisi

[mortal crest]

Lol

[long wharf]

mine is Slaughterer 3 and Unstable Power 3

[mortal crest]

Le Wood Chipper

[long wharf]

with my Illisi, I charge the horde

[mortal crest]

Every time.

[long wharf]

I laugh at the veteran with their power sword

[mortal crest]

PS is still pretty damn good, but against hordes it's not nearly as strong.

Full stacks of Slaughterer and Power Cycler on PS still does monster damage, but you can also be hit while doing it.

Your 2 dodges are dogwater, but you can make it work.

[near wyvern]

It has decent heavy heavy spam with Slaugherer + Brutal momentum

[long wharf]

on top of that, god help your vet if you start sprinting

[mortal crest]

Lmao

For that reason, I do not run Deadshot on anything but like Bolter.

[long wharf]

suddenly the two stragglers you didn't kill are doing double damage to you

[mortal crest]

Hahah yeah.

It's kinda painful.

You go to push a burster and actually have to look at your stam bar.

[long wharf]

meanwhile the psyker just hops and slides around

[mortal crest]

Full stam all the while.

[long wharf]

no fear for tanking a number of blocks on a whim, either

thanks to KD

[mortal crest]

Yeah.

[spice veldt]

having to put zero brainpower into managing your dodges

[mortal crest]

And if you really fuck up, well you can just eat that overhead from a Crusher.

[long wharf]

frankly, the only melee action in the game I really like right now is knife bleed zealot and Illisi psyker

[mortal crest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Whoops.

[near wyvern]

Remember when the community announced KD was dead due to blocks affecting auto quelling

[mortal crest]

Knife Zealot I've completely replaced with the Mk IX Heavy sword.

That shit is so fun.

[spice veldt]

people overlooking the guardbreak change

prob a few of them were deflector psykers I guess

[long wharf]

that was a problem until FartShart upped our quell speeds

[mortal crest]

To almost stupid speeds.

[spice veldt]

since the autoquell change did affect the interaction with Deflector the most

[mortal crest]

Mmmm

[long wharf]

now, even with passive quell on non-force weapons back to what they were before, I can active quell so damn fast it doesn't matter

[spice veldt]

but then every other melee weapon got a straight up buff with the guardbreak change

[long wharf]

hell, I charge my Illisi just to get my peril back up

frankly, it's stupid strong