psyker-class

[vital compass]

i see

noted

I guess the 2nd one is going to be the choice then and re roll block efficiency to flak?

[digital loom]

put slaughterer on left, good to go

keep deflector

run either +3 stam trinket or kinetic

[vital compass]

yea i really liked the left but the first target was putting me off a little bit

[noble shell]

Anyone able to help me with Going out with a Bang penance?

[fluid cove]

Try commsplex where you wait for the elevator. Just around the corner is a monster closet where three shotgunners spawn repeatedly. With a deflector sword and Kinetic deflection, it's quite easy. Bring warp battery, 5 stacks should get the oneshots on the bang.

[wild inlet]

What perks should I be looking for on Surge?

[digital loom]

did they change the last event room on smelter?

i just had a really nutty one

and it was only hunting grounds

[meager cedar]

Nexus is the big one, other than that it’s less important though most people just go with Flurry

Wait shod, misread; crit chance is good, then flak or unyielding or maniac

Depends on what groups you wanna zap hardest

[wild inlet]

awesome, ty

[spice veldt]

crit chance is a bit eh because despite having a Critical Bonus stat modifier, its crit damage multiplier is rather poor

[elfin geode]

Y'all run wildfire feat with firestaff?

[digital loom]

i run wildfire with trauma

[meager cedar]

Yeah but damage on surge isn’t the main draw so it may as well come from somewhere, especially on top of nexus

And it can look neat on scoreboards when you’re outcritting everything else

[grizzled harness]

is warp unleashed a flat 10% damage even with 0 peril?

[cyan notch]

yes

[feral verge]

@spice veldt

[spice veldt]

😔 damn

by what moniker shall I now call you by

what an unfortunate turn of events

[cyan notch]

wtf

good stats

decent perks

share this next time anyone says they dont get anything good from melk to rub it in their faces

[idle bay]

.... but it's MK II

Though adding t4 Slaughterer into the blessing pool is good on itself

[vestal raven]

stop it and had it over

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12p4uq6/psa_for_deimos_force_sword_users_uncanny_strike/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

Anyone wanna confirm this

And it’s actual use cases outside of crushers

[cyan notch]

it does work

its nice but not a huge deal

unstable deflector uncanny shred blahblah theyre all fine

[olive ember]

Doesn’t deimos and obscures special already have 100% armor pen?

[cyan notch]

ur not following up with another special

ur following up with the stabs for deimos

[olive ember]

At that point do you need the armor pen tho

[cyan notch]

to kill in one combo yea

special stab stab die

maybe even special stab

[olive ember]

And it needs the armor pen to do that?

[cyan notch]

yea im pretty sure

[olive ember]

Interesting

[cyan notch]

its basically “2 shotting” since u use the special to get about half hp then single/double stabs to do the other half

and u aint doing half hp without uncanny

[olive ember]

Herm I c

Any other use cases?

I guess flak bosses

[lethal folio]

That is right, but it isn't why uncanny is good

Uncanny means you get to happily spam lights and murder anything.

[olive ember]

🤔

[lethal folio]

With uncanny up, lights will oneshot dreg bruisers or 3shot ragers

[cyan notch]

i just light 1 cancel trash so its a marginal benefit for me

[sick light]

Accident, dude was trying to help

[olive ember]

Rip

[summer prairie]

uncanny stays up when you qq cancel

[cyan notch]

yea but i dont need it to kill trash

[twilit flicker]

I remember you were fishing for that, nice you finally got it!

Melk offered me T4 Terrifying Barrage for purge staff and infantry autoguns last night. Interesting but not enough for the ingots or whatever they're called.

[near wyvern]

A lot of buffs stay when you swap weapons, they just are not active when the weapon is not out

[edgy kite]

Deimos fucking chunks bosses

What's wrong with this picture

[grizzled jasper]

You have vets

[edgy kite]

No not that

[wet belfry]

You have too many vets

[grizzled jasper]

None of them has bolter

[leaden thunder]

there is 4

so 5 characters are in that game

[wet belfry]

Execute one of the vets to reduce the number to acceptable

[grizzled jasper]

Noooo can’t be it

[edgy kite]

Emperor deemed us too shit to complete the mission so he gave us a 5th

[grizzled jasper]

I have a vid somewhere where a 5th came outta no where and raised me

5th bot

I think it has something to do with ppl joining in and out

And the game forgets to delete the bot

[edgy kite]

guardian angel bot

[grizzled jasper]

The emperor protects

[olive ember]

That’s just the third person mod silly

[river sand]

well i didnt know that i got beef with hadron but he seems to hate me

[exotic apex]

is this like, a humblebrag?

[river sand]

such a perfect base he throws those blessings/perks at me ...

[exotic apex]

But don't you want more stamina?

[leaden thunder]

I woulda stopped after the first upgrade tbh

[river sand]

nah you never stop before purple

but im still missing one t4 perk on void so i just keep going

but anyway, mats are not the limiting factor its ordo dockets atm so i upgrade everything good roll above 370

[edgy kite]

They need to let us trade diamantine for plasteel at a rate of 1:5

[river sand]

or let us raise the base rating of a weapon for absurde high diamantine cost

and when we are talking. crit chance curios ! ! !

[void mural]

Yeah, I want multiple extra uses for diamantine, because it's barely used for anything

Raise base item rating, shift rating bars around, unlock second perk/bless,

[neat sand]

She dose not hate you she hates every one not from the Adaptas mechanicus :p

[void mural]

If they're really so hell bent on keeping locks a thing

[neat sand]

The locks come from vermin tide 2 I belive ?

[void mural]

Nope

Never was a thing before darktide

[neat sand]

Interesting

[void mural]

You mean a terrible decision made to prolong play time

[neat sand]

If people could god roll off the bat there would be no players left, also makes you feel like you have won the lotto when you get something awesome XD

[leaden thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[olive ember]

That’s

Not how that works

[leaden thunder]

sarcasm I hope

[neat sand]

When I got this just right I was screaming with joy , I burned 560k dockets and we'll over 100k diamantine to get it. Without weapon hunting what is the point of grinding every night ?
Just my outlook on the topic

[edgy kite]

If people could godroll more easily, people would be more willing to try different builds

Wdym without grinding what's the point?

Why can't people just play a game to enjoy it anymore

Everyone always needs that fucking carrot on a stick

[void mural]

That's because the system they have is stupid. They created their own problem, and then put in the "solution" of locks.

They should have made rolling perks not reach no cost, and made blessings more incremental and have costs associated so that you can upgrade them through the tiers over time as you play

[near wyvern]

Siblings, you wanna hear a joke?

Wrack and Ruin

[neat sand]

In a game with grind, dont you like/need a focus? I replay the same maps over and over as I am working towards something maybe just me:)

[olive ember]

I mean that’s the looter shooter mindset

[magic burrow]

the sad part is that wrack and ruin wasnt even that bad, but then they buffed warp unleashed, and then to top off the shit pie with extra whipped cream they nerfed soulblaze for good measure

[olive ember]

Horde shooters are typically played for the fun of it

[near wyvern]

How do you burn 100k diamantine? I can't even get 1k to burn.

[olive ember]

Obviously having an incentive is nice but I’d argue that the people who would quit after having a god roll weapon would also quit the moment they hit the gacha + looter shooter endgame wall

[near wyvern]

Plasteel on the other hand is my morning cereal.

[void mural]

Ideally you'd collect blessings over time
Then get a good base item you'd want to use
Upgrade the item through the rarities
Swap out the blessing(s) if you don't like them
The blessings would start out at t1, so you'd have to spend more resources to upgrade the tier of the blessings (hopefully costing diamantine because it's currently useless)
And the same thing for perks. None of this rolling for no reason till its the perk you want.
You change the perks to t1 versions of the ones you want, then upgrade the tier of the perk with more resources

All incremental costs and upgrades that aren't just a slot machine that wastes your time.

[neat sand]

I have a Lot of hours of game time attest 3hrs every night since launch

More on Sundays

[olive ember]

I mean we all have like 400+ hours in this discord

[near wyvern]

Yeah but there is very little to spend it on... Do you like sit and re-bless weapons all day?

[olive ember]

How much diamantine do you even have

To spend 1k diamantine you prob have like 10k stockpiled atleast

[near wyvern]

I have played since launch and have only 14k diamantine in stockpile

[neat sand]

Gray to gold burns it I have sold many 500+ gold if they did not roll right

[near wyvern]

Almost 400 hours in

But have you spend like what... 2 million plasteel then?

2 million might not be enough tho

20 maybe

[neat sand]

I need my pc to give you the totals I ran out of plaststeel way before diamantine

[void mural]

What are you talking about? Not once have I ever been gated by diamantine. I have 4k+ on multiple characters, and keep running out of plasteel while hadron turns great bases into garbage

[olive ember]

I got gated by diamantine for like a week when I was only playing malice

In Damnation atleast you get way too little plasteel compared to diamantine

Like it’s 2:1 plasteel to diamantine but it costs like 3:1 or 4:1

[neat sand]

Going gray to gold yes plaststeel was the the holdback going purple to gold from emperor rewards you burn more diamantine

[void mural]

Yes, for the last upgrade maybe, but you don't get enough purples off the bat to use more diamantine than plasteel overall

75% of my upgrades are from grey, green, or blue

[olive ember]

Unless you are literally just upgrading emp gifts

I guess

[near wyvern]

But still when doing gray to orange you end up using so much more plasteel than what you get diamantine... At least when playing at Damnation. It's around 2 games from gray to orange and you end up with surplus diamantine.

[neat sand]

Gifts shop rare finds I am not picky I just wanted rank 4 blessings

[void mural]

Yes, but the vast majority of items that are available to upgrade are below purple, meaning you're going to spend more plasteel than diamantine

[neat sand]

I wonder if the game keeps a log of just how much you have spent like a Unseen penance some where

[olive ember]

No clue

I doubt it

[kind jay]

maybe it's just me, but if i could perfect craft whatever i wanted I'd probably put in 10x the playtime

[olive ember]

If I could perfect craft I would spend more time on my alts

[void mural]

Yeah, I want to actually GET the items to do the fun thing in the actual game

[olive ember]

And not be using a 326 gun on my ogryn

[void mural]

Items are such a crapshoot, and most of my items I'm just entirely ignoring blessing and perks, and just shoving whatever my highest base rated item is into my build, because blessings/perks are such a disaster

[kind jay]

I've settledon my gear atm. but i have nothing I'm truly happy with

[olive ember]

I mean I’m happy with my gear… just not the gear on my alts

Especially since I don’t have resources stockpiled like I do on my main

[kind jay]

my alts have worse stuff than poxwalkers

[olive ember]

I can’t casually spend 300k dockets to roll for a 370+ weapon on my alts atleast

Much less get said weapon and then roll the correct perks

[void mural]

Yeah, I have about 1 weapon I'm actually happy with per character. And it's not even a god roll or anything, usually just something that has 1 blessing that's good, and high enough base rating

[neat sand]

I agree my zealot ranged weapon is not so good maybe if the main currency was account wide and not per alt 🤔

Keep milk tokens per char

[void mural]

Woo... another issue that the game has that's easily fixable

All currency should be shared. That's how it's always been in vermintide games, and it lets you get a new character off the ground a bit easier

[long wharf]

Milkies need to be account wide, along with all other currency and mats

[astral lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933857177700028507/1097550696137621575/image.png
Definitely worth melk money right?

(for unlock)

[olive ember]

Probably for unlock

But I’m sitting pretty with like 5k so yea

[river sand]

getting a t4 flurry is never wrong

[astral lark]

yeah i have enough reserve that it doesn't matter

just needed that sanity check thanks

[river sand]

only one question: do you like purg? if not why buy it

[olive ember]

Cuz

In case they nerf the other staffs to oblivion

It’s fatshark after all

[river sand]

true

[astral lark]

i mean unlocking blsesings is a mini game unto itself

[river sand]

next patch will be the rise of the devils claw / recon lasgun psyker

[drowsy slate]

Maybe they will add other staffs like MK versions of the existing ones just with other effects but same element.

Also good to have blessings piled then 😁

[olive ember]

Recon lasgun lmao

When that thing gets buffed is when I might actually play vet again

[radiant lance]

Does Warp Absorption work with Illisi special?

[kind jay]

yes

[void mural]

Yeah, it's so fun to shoot, but it's a shit gun. It deserves way better

[near wyvern]

Yes but you'd still better off spamming hevy light for the horde control it provides

War Absorption is 💩, it gives you a lot of toughness when you need it the least

[willow harness]

Carapace is actually decent cause the lightning staff does relatively good damage vs anything heavily armored

[stone pulsar]

hmm how much does crits improve damage? or should i replace shred with deflector

[cyan notch]

slaughterer with special is ultra overkill already

so u dont really need crit

[stone pulsar]

i suppose crit is only needed for the meme blazing spirit sword

errr...35% crit at max i think.

[karmic copper]

wish me luck, from armory

i just spent all but 10k reroling weekly

i almost couldnt afford this

fek me

[stone pulsar]

what force sword should i pair with the voidstrike. i don't know to take the deimos or the illisi

[karmic copper]

any of them work with void

but

deimos can deal with crushers and muties better

or close range stuff in general

but all 3 swords can knock over the ogryns with the push attack to create safety

[stone pulsar]

how good is the voidstrike at killing things like crushers?

[karmic copper]

none of the staves are good at killing crushers

BB is best

[stone pulsar]

surge though?

[karmic copper]

surge is worst damage of all staves by a mile

surge can stun till infinity

[stone pulsar]

in your opnion does surge need a buff

[karmic copper]

but you still need to kill it

many people think it does (special mention @olive ember for loving it)

i still use it regularly, but moreso with illisi

[olive ember]

I mean it needs buff

But it’s still best staff

[karmic copper]

i use it almost exclusively when playing gauntlet though

[olive ember]

Surge staff is best

No one will convince me otherwise

[stone pulsar]

yes.

also i always try to charge it to full

[karmic copper]

it will do more damage, but it also isnt for damage?

you can spam and hit more targets if you fan and quick charge

which is its stronk suit

ith as a target cap of 5 iirc

and will stun all but monstrosity

100% chance

[stone pulsar]

i have warp flurry + 6 warp charges + peril resist talent.

i can spam fully charged shots out really quickly

[karmic copper]

even then, the cast of minimal charge is still better

if youre in a gauntlet say

and theres multiple elites/specials etc mix horde

and you have your surge out

[stone pulsar]

yeah i do spam minimum charge sometimes

[karmic copper]

you are 100% quick casting for control

[stone pulsar]

just depends on the situation.

[karmic copper]

your team will do 1000% better together if youre stunning and theyre damaging, than if youre trying to damage with your staff

if im walking around non horde moments ill just dodge around full charging my surge to raise peril

but no matter how good my surge is, it just doesnt kill as fast as melee, or any other staff

but you can fuck an entire group of crushers/bulwark with it and save everyone from overheads etc

but also

do what you want

i do what i want

i ask questions, get some info, the try it out

and then do what i want anyway

[stone pulsar]

ahhh....i wish it chained to more targets the higher you charged it.

[karmic copper]

no sir

that is one of the biggest gripes

charging only adds damage, because target cap is target cap, and stun is stun

and damage is poop

[stone pulsar]

as good i can get for now

[karmic copper]

thats a fantastic one

i recently swapped our my nexus for uninterupt tbh

someone mentioned that its ALWAYS GOING TO GO OFF

and i realized the reliability of it vs the damage provided with doubling the crit chance, was more important to me

thats great though

rank 4 also looks way nicer than rank 2:P

sadface..

fuck best base stats ANY WEAPON Ive evergotten

right from grey

[stone pulsar]

nice

this is mine.

[karmic copper]

dont want exorcist or precog at all

[stone pulsar]

the...first target is bad lol.

[cyan notch]

keep it

[olive ember]

Are you pleased varlet?

[karmic copper]

lool

[cyan notch]

fatshonk will change locks Soon™️

[orchid shadow]

Wtf, had a veteran in a game where it looks like they just blocked and pushed a lot. Ignored medistation, rushed ahead and going down in the worst spots and after he died and I told him he should have taken the medicaid station he lessee... said "why mf like looking at me work."

[stone pulsar]

change precognition to the rending on weakspot hit

might as well go all in on the weakspot hitting

[karmic copper]

i have no interest in exorcist, i have a hard enough time building peril with deimos and melee

but i have..

[stone pulsar]

hmm...soulblaze technically stacks up to 31, but almost everything that applies soulblaze has a cap way lower then that.

[olive ember]

They are “taking a look at it” SoonTM

[karmic copper]

those are my current deimos

[stone pulsar]

whatttt. is there a screenshot?

[cyan notch]

all the finesse kinda lacking

[karmic copper]

yeah i know

but they all have 2 good blessings and maniac or carapace or both

sadface

this one got my all excited

pissass finesse, even

[olive ember]

In one of the comms link or patch notes

[karmic copper]

wut

good 2 know

its only going to make me want to play more anyway

3500hr verm 2, had full reds after like 1000

just kept going full legend book runs for 2 more years after that lol

[stone pulsar]

i'm pretty sure the latest comms link has no mention of that

[cyan notch]

its from catfish here in the discord

[cyan notch]

#general-chat message

[stone pulsar]

ahhhh thank you.

[cyan notch]

#general-chat message

[stone pulsar]

thats nice to see official confirmation

[orchid shadow]

Oh wow. I really thought they wouldn't budge on that, even in the slightest

[near wyvern]

I guess it's time to hold on those good stats but shit blessing and perks weapons

Reminds me of the time before crafting release. Inventory becomes like a fucking arsenal for a private army.

[orchid shadow]

Good thing I'm a serial horder then.

[olive ember]

I mean I keep my expectations low to avoid disappointment

I’ll take 10k diamantine to unlock tho

That’s pretty low expectations right?

[near wyvern]

10k is a bit much but at this point I take anything

[void mural]

I feel like its left click could be changed to do spammy lightning stun like its right click does when low charged, and the right click could change to doing actually significant damage against a small number, or even a singular target.

Who actually uses surge left click?

[cyan notch]

its good

[olive ember]

I do

[near wyvern]

Surge left click is underrated

[cyan notch]

with high crit it does a ton of damage to dregs

[olive ember]

I would use it less if I could actually aim

And not miss 4 shots

[lethal folio]

You should just be throwing bolts out whenever.

[void mural]

That's the thing with all staff left clicks, they're all the same, and equally inaccurate

[cyan notch]

staggers dogs specials supresses shooters etc

[orchid shadow]

Wat.. noooo, that's too high! That'll get me like.. one unlock. 😦

[near wyvern]

Yes. Shoot that pile of dregs 60m away from you with bolts.

[stone pulsar]

staff left click is fine. they just need faster fire rate and accuracy

[long wharf]

it's not an accuracy problem

[lethal folio]

How do you get more accurate than pinpoint centre

[long wharf]

it's a delay in spawning projectile problem

[void mural]

Yeah, if anything is within range of being considered for LMB attacks with a staff... why would I just not RMB with any if the staffs?

[stone pulsar]

oh.

[near wyvern]

Strafing while shooting is hell

[long wharf]

there's a quarter second delay between click and actual firing

[void mural]

Yeah, true, it's also why I dislike throwing ogryn grenades

[stone pulsar]

no wonder i miss so much

[lethal folio]

The projectile aim is locked when you first click

[orchid shadow]

Lmb on surge is really useful when you just need that one last shot, or in strategic locations like Oubliette first event. Left side that oversees the top left ramp and has a clear lmb spam down an AI path.

[near wyvern]

Even with faster firing (quell cancel macro) it's hard to aim if you are not standing still

[void mural]

I feel like I'm right on point for a headshot, and then by the time it's thrown, the enemy ducks or is staggered or something, and it misses

[ionic needle]

If I were to get a combat blade to use on my trauma build, what would be some nice blessings to have on it? Are there any dump stats?

[lethal folio]

Slightly different behaviour in meatgrinder

[olive ember]

So that’s why it sucks when I’m firing while moving

[long wharf]

yep

[twilit flicker]

Could it be due to ping?

[lethal folio]

It's low cost and spammable, so it's good to just send at groups.

[stone pulsar]

give it 1 piercing. i want to spam it at hordes

[near wyvern]

If you wanna go the combat blade route all that matters is that you have at least 360 damage on flak heavy weakspot and you roll a +25flak on it. The rest doesn't really matter and are just a nice bonus. I would throw an uncanny strike on it as well and if you can pick the second perk that would be +maniac.

The reason you need 360 flak on heavies is that with the +25 you are guaranteed to one shot head shot all trash (non elite and non special). With Warp Unleashed you can get away with something that doesn't exactly hit the 360 mark but I haven't tested if it's additive or multiplicative for melee weapons.

Pick Kinetic Deflection and spam push attack non stop with that thing for crazy stagger and DPS. Knife push attack damage is the exact same as the heavy but swings twice as fast.

[ornate hamlet]

Nah, the ping just delays the attack coming out of your character

In theory it shouldn't affect direction the way it shows on the video, as evidenced by Vermintide 2 itself

[cyan notch]

lacerate uncanny

[ornate hamlet]

Aside from the moonbow just not being my cup of tea, I could regularly hit projectile shots with basically any weapon the game gave me there, despite often playing in lobbies with 230+ ping and still switching to ones with 70

[ionic needle]

w

[ornate hamlet]

If anything, my projectile's delay was inconsistent because of how often I changed my ping, but I not once came across something as egregious as the staff primary fire in this game

It's just legitimately fucked by itself

[near wyvern]

@ionic needle

Combat Blade push attack spam when Crucian Roulette worked with melee. R.I.P. Its still good damage without the crits tho.

https://youtu.be/jCehR1JU1Eg

[ornate hamlet]

Combat blade with blazing spirit

Imagine making weapons for psyker actually have warpfire blessings available

[twilit flicker]

We have a feat that makes all our attacks blow up someone's head at random. Also, riposte shred knife? How high can we push that crit rate? 60%?

[leaden thunder]

don't think it can actually roll shred

and I think it uses a nerfed riposte

[ionic needle]

Yeah it caps out at 12.5%

Looking at the blessing list now

Aren't any of the bleed blessings any fun? I guess not since most stuff just die fast anyway

[leaden thunder]

zealots use them sometimes

but like

idk I think they are bait

[cyan notch]

lacerate is the best

but only vs ogryns and monsters

other than that its just fps tax

[leaden thunder]

I was kinda wondering where you where going with that

wait

does flayer proc on dots

[near wyvern]

Yeah the bleed blessings are mainly for Zealots, Psykers have nothing that synergise with bleed.

[near wyvern]

No

[leaden thunder]

the 15 sec cd still kills that talent for me

but it would been funni

[near wyvern]

You need to deal direct damage for the proc to have a chance to occur

So it won't also proc off from non damaging attacks (push, ult)

[olive ember]

Flayer does proc on the multi hit for force sword special tho

[ionic needle]

10% chance without a CD would be insane though

I'd like it if could only proc on specials

[olive ember]

I mean

It would just be recon and autopistol meta

[leaden thunder]

imo, just give it a per target cooldown

and a much smaller overall cooldown

[ionic needle]

It's also very clearly missing a HUD element that shows the remaining cooldown

Damn, playing around Quietitude on my autopistol build just sucked the fun right out of it

[olive ember]

🤔

[ionic needle]

Essence Harvest might be worse, but god damn did does it suck spamming the MK V special

[olive ember]

I mean alternatively you can try warp absorption

But that basically means your regen is tied around the illisi special attack

[idle bay]

Psyker rubs his sword few times, then goes into post-nut-clarity to regain toughness.

Fatshark sneaked in lewd class option

[clever root]

I'm currently running inner tranquillity but I dunno if I should switch to warp unleashed for the extra damage

[twilit badger]

I have

Played more than 300 games as psyker

Put most of materials on crafting void staff

I literally have every T4 blessing of it except Surge 😂

Cursed or something at this point

[olive ember]

Simply rng better smh

Skill issue

[nocturne badge]

first time getting something with 4 good t4 perks

i'm unsure i want sniper or gunner resist tbh

[wet belfry]

I think on the psyker sniper res is better.

Psyker ultimately has BB to kill gunners

Plus having one single sniper manageing to hit you and just ending the run isnt that fun.

[nocturne badge]

it's hard to tell how deadly gunners are to me as i have been running 50-60% resist to them this whole time

[wet belfry]

Gunners resistance is only to the elite gunners and reapers btw

[leaden thunder]

gunners (and snipers) imo are generally a non issue until they really fuck you

and generally with gunners it's a reaper that does it rather then a normal gunner

if you ever seen someone without gunner resist get ther toughness broken by a reaper

then just die

in seconds

you know what I mean

[wet belfry]

One recommendation of perks that might be odd is to run 30% sprint efficeny and 12% stam regen on psyker curios

This is becuase the psyker can then keep sprint sliding with force swords and keep regening stamina faster then it drains.

[ancient gust]

i thnk sprint efficiency is super underrated

[runic python]

worth spending mats on for gunker?

[leaden thunder]

tbh

yeah

you are missing a whoping like 4 damage

[runic python]

61.4/70 for damage and its an autopistol so that shouldn't really matter tbh

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Though 4 damage can pile up on a bullethose

[leaden thunder]

i mean on a godroll one it's like 12 ish damage loss

[rain saddle]

he was so young

[void mural]

Someone in the vet chat channel said that gunner resist only works on gunners, not reapers or regular shooter dreg/scabs. Is that not true?

[leaden thunder]

afaik it works on reapers

but not shotgunners or regular shooters/stalkers

[civic veldt]

quick question
Should I run warp battery or kinetic flayer?

[olive ember]

depends on the build

[void mural]

Depends on what your build is

[civic veldt]

Im building for flame staff mostly

and high priority target focus

[olive ember]

warp battery

also purge isn't high priority target

its horde clearing

[civic veldt]

i mean the brain burst when I say that

sorry I should've specified that

[void mural]

Battery is good for combining with inner tranquility for for lots of peril resist for warp attacks.

Flayer is good for procing with fast firing attacks, and can help with warp charge stacks.

Things like shredder pistol is good with flayer

[void mural]

IMO, if you want to BB a lot, I like 123113

[civic veldt]

Tyvm

[void mural]

If you're playing difficulty 3 or lower, you don't need cerebral lacerations to 2 shot ogryns I think, so you can take psykinetic aura if you want more kinetic barrage uptime. In difficulty 4 and higher you start needing CL or warp unleashed to 2 shot things like reapers

[civic veldt]

what combo would be good for flame staff alternatively

[river sand]

if you wanna play effective you shouldnt bb alot

[civic veldt]

only reason I wanna bb a lot is for the pick n mix penance

outside of that im gonna be focused on cc and high dps

[void mural]

I don't play purge, but that should be ok. You can swap to ascending blaze if you want to.

Idk if wildfire is any good

[river sand]

then any build with KB and imo best place is the map were you defend that train in the end. right before you jump down to the last area there are usually 5-10 squishy elites in sight

[civic veldt]

I See

[river sand]

with the shock gauntlet modifier it should be easy anywhere

[civic veldt]

yeah true

[autumn smelt]

if i recall correctly you still want 1 for the 2nd feat, because at 100% peril your BB will be doing 33% more damage

[river sand]

hunting that penance, KB inner tranquility and warp battery are a good thing

great build to pair with a flurry trauma staff

[autumn smelt]

the feat states "force weapons", but in practice it is all outgoing damage

oh but yeah if youre going for pick and mix you want 2

[autumn smelt]

thats what i use pretty much, purg staff for hordes, and bb for elite neutralizing, ill send you my feats when i finsh booting up the game

[leaden thunder]

warp unleash is all damage now

[void mural]

For difficulty 4 at least, you only need CL or WU, not both, when you have 6 warp charges, and you'll 2 shot BB all ogryns. Idk about difficulty 5, as I don't play it

[void arch]

No it doesn’t state force weapons

[leaden thunder]

it used to say force weapons

[autumn smelt]

guess they changed it since i last looked at it

but that doesnt change what i said it does, which is still incredibly good

[autumn smelt]

1. quietude is free toughness via the chance to quell when flaming a horde, plus passive quelling is just so powerful, not to mention you can literally just make your own toughness with it
2. 33% more damage OP
3. the ability to just have your ult back when popping elite heads is so incredibly potent, especially since it helps out your team in coherency, and paired with feat 6 being kinetic barrage, a group of elites stands no chance and gives you your ult back in 5 seconds
4. personal preference, but i rarely use my melee so the deflecting feat doesnt have much use to me, and the ranged damage is too good to pass up considering this builds weakest component is dealing with non-elite shooters
5. literally never having to worry about my BB stacks ever is so valuable, as it completely negates me having to pay attention to it, and keeps me at 4 stacks quite easily if im clearing a horde with purg instead of BBing, so when i do swap to it, i have those 4 stacks to hit all important breakpoints on elites
6. paired with psykinetics aura, this feat literally just feeds into itself as one of the best ranged elite clearers in the entire game, and while yes, ascendant blaze is great for clearing rooms of gunners, on damnation that requires 6 stacks of BB, which is a massive pain to manage by comparison, even with the 10% chance to get a charge on soulblaze kill

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[near crow]

Throwing my own two cents in, I actually find ascendant blaze's 10% proc happens reliably enough that I often get max warp charges back without even noticing it.

Get enough fire going and you're a self sustaining monster

[fresh reef]

been out of the loop for a minute, can someone give me the spark notes about what's happening Thursday?

[autumn smelt]

ive never found myself in a position where i would be using the purg staff often enough to where i could get to 6 stacks unless a literal horde event just showed up

which isnt something i should rely on between every single room

[round jay]

does purgatus applies soulblaze?

[autumn smelt]

yes

[late yew]

Good?

[autumn smelt]

mostly due to its range tbh

[near crow]

I don't really use ascendant blaze unless there's a decently sized group of enemies anyway, so I guess that might just be my playstyle

[near wyvern]

2. 33% more damage? You mean 10% plus an additional 15% based on peril. But yeas Warp Unleashed is meta.

3. Ranged damage? Kinetic Shielding reduces all toughness damage, melee and ranged. The description is a lie.

It's a personal choice to go with PA KF KB, PA KF AB or PC WB AB. All work.

[late yew]

That's what purg is for, it is literally meant to be anti-horde weapon

[ornate hamlet]

purg best staff then lightning

[near wyvern]

Nah

Trauma

[ornate hamlet]

some are good with trauma

[autumn smelt]

im specifically referring to getting and maintaining warp charges via AB

[near wyvern]

Trauma is the chad staff. The only thing it cannot deal with is Mutant but for they you have Deimos to one shot and works as a mobility stick as well.

[autumn smelt]

yeah, which is what id use it for, but being at 6 stacks when youd want to use it requires you to micromanage your warp charges, which in a more tense moment, can end up being a detriment

[late yew]

Purge overrated

[ornate hamlet]

dont think trauma can build stacks

purge is probably the best allround staff

[near wyvern]

With battery you should always run PC. If you use PA you can't get 6 stacks fast enough so the CD reduction doesn't really matter.

It's either PA + KF or PC + WB but don't mix those.

[autumn smelt]

i feel like voidstrike is the most well rounded tho

[ornate hamlet]

normal force sword does more dmg to mutants

[river sand]

overall effectivity of staffs : Trauma > Purg = Void > surge

[late yew]

lolwat

[river sand]

for damnation

[autumn smelt]

it has damage, range, good single target and hoard clearing

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i only playu damnation

[near wyvern]

My Nexus Spirit Trauma does occasionally get some stacks, but AB could use a little buff to the proc rate.

[autumn smelt]

but all staves are pretty close in terms of effectiveness

[feral verge]

i think purga and trauma are neck and neck for best overall staves (on damnation)

[near crow]

purge gives psyker hordeclear, which is what he lacks the most of

[late yew]

Surge gaming

[late yew]

LOL

You know illi exists?

[ornate hamlet]

i like to play 1 man army aka te swizz knife, so the purge is on top in that regard

[near crow]

Well

[autumn smelt]

surge is the only weird one cuz its cc is fucking INSANE but you need teammates who can capitalize on it or a good illisi, then youre fucking gaming

[late yew]

Only weapon that can kill horde quicker than illi is probably powersword

[near crow]

Not so much of an issue now that he gets the power sword Illisi sword

[ornate hamlet]

correct @near crow

[feral verge]

fastest hordeclear in the game is ascendant blaze + warp battery

[late yew]

does not even make any sense

[river sand]

if you consider playing surge. the cc is nice and all but trauma has better cc on everything except mutants and does really good dmg

[ornate hamlet]

cant use ascendant if u want to be able to handle everything

[river sand]

if you like the palpatine feeling feel free to use it

[near crow]

But purge staff still does a better job at controlling the horde

[ornate hamlet]

build is pretty much locked in

[autumn smelt]

ok but hear me out
telling a mutant to sit down and shut up is pretty epic ngl

cuz the surge staff just stuns them mid charge

[feral verge]

it's neat, but even that is finicky

[near wyvern]

If you talk about DPS then it's: Trauma > Void > Purge > Surge. If you talk about supression, then it's Void > Purge > Trauma > Surge. If you talk about stagger, it's Purge > Trauma > Void > Surge. If you talk about elite control it's Trauma > Surge > Purge > Void. If you talk about Special control it's Surge > Trauma > Purge > Void.

[feral verge]

i've zapped muties and have seen them completely ignore it

[river sand]

whats more epic is switching to your deimos and just poke his eye mid charging and hes dead

[feral verge]

even though they were being zapped for several seconds

[ornate hamlet]

im talking about the most optimal staff for the most optimal build

to be able to answer every threat

[autumn smelt]

the fact that no one can agree what staff is the best overall might say something about how balanced they are compared to one another

[river sand]

that is definitly trauma

[near wyvern]

The thing with Trauma vs Surge is that Trauma is reliable. When there is a mixed horde you cannot guarantee you will hit the things you want with Surge, where as Trauma goes exactly where the preview is.

[river sand]

trauma void and purg are super balanced. only surge falls off

[ornate hamlet]

trauma cant kill dogs if they lay on top biting u, it can die from purge dots.

[autumn smelt]

surge needs a really wacky unique blessing tbh

[near wyvern]

Surge falls off mainly because it has such a poor blessing pool (just give it access to all the blessings FFS) and it suffers greatly from the target cap at damnation+

[ornate hamlet]

also feel like trauma is a bit high on the peril

[autumn smelt]

like a blessing that makes them more vulnerable to damage after being struck with a charged attack

and it would need to be a decent debuff, like 30%+

[near wyvern]

You can prevent the dog from getting on you if you just wait for it to leap and then cast with trauma... Works 100% of the time.

[autumn smelt]

hitting breakpoints for things

[near wyvern]

And trauma can hit dogs off from friendlies through objects, roofs, floors

[river sand]

there are two really good builds with trauma. flurry + rending/focused channeling you play with inner tranq and 6 stacks -> no peril problem. or you go nexus/blazing spirit with wildifre/AB its insane overall damage but you gotta play the peril edging dance

[ornate hamlet]

smart, but its pretty hard to see the dog in the midst of chaos, where flaming everything is pretty neat

[leaden thunder]

surge is in a wierd spot, in high diffs things are more worth trying to CC, but also in high diffs there is often too many things to CC

[near wyvern]

Except no wildfire, you take battery

Wildfire is shit

Bugged AF

The nexus spirit trauma build is 311112 or 311212 if you prefer KS over KD

[ornate hamlet]

this with purgatory staff and deflect on sword perk is by far the most optimal build ive found.

Can handle everything.

[river sand]

its bugged, its not working as good as it should. but it keeps everything around at ~ 2 stacks. nothing super good. but in the end on the overall damage dealt its pretty good

since the soulblaze flak nerf i really prefer wildfire

[near wyvern]

No it doesn't. It cannot spread from 1 stack enemies, it just vanishes.

[river sand]

yeah but from all the 3 stack enemies in your outer circle and your 4 stacks from AB

[near wyvern]

And soulblaze damage is worth nothing below 3 stacks

[river sand]

and while wildfire is doing its thing and you switch to your deimos you got guaranteed full slaughterer stacks

[near wyvern]

You want battery because it will just outright buff your +3 stacks by 24% and if you see a mixed horde, wait for proc on elites -> 6 stack AB for a total of 9 stacks and everything will be deleted in a couple of seconds and you are back to 6 stacks. Only crushers will remain.

[river sand]

its not super good, but the 2 extra stacks mainly increase your overkill dmg

[near wyvern]

Plus the battery allows you to one shot all trash with epicentre while having +5% crit chance

For the perk

[near wyvern]

You should not use Deimos with Slaughterer. Unstable Power is the way to go. Trauma already clears horde.

When played right you can stand in the middle of melee mobs and not get hit while pumping between 80-100 peril on trauma.

[river sand]

got unstable + slaughterer

when density is low your quicker with your slaughterer deimos than charging the truama

you're

[near wyvern]

When density is low it doesn't matter

[river sand]

you run your deimos with unstable / deflector ?

[near wyvern]

Yup, and only bring it out in case:

• There is a mutant incoming
• I need to cover a res

[river sand]

i pretty much use it for everything where i cant hit at least 4 enemies 😉

[near wyvern]

I have +maniac and +stamina on it for perks just for extra movement speed and peril block cost reduction

[river sand]

mine has maniac and weakspot. was super annyoed that it rolled weakspot. but in fact on the h2 its not bad

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's not too bad for mutant head hunting

[river sand]

btw the wildfire thing and a slaughterer deimos. think about it

[near wyvern]

Yeah I have tested it properly, it's shit

I'll give it a new chance when it's not bugged anymore

[fresh reef]

what should I roll for?

[near wyvern]

Currently it makes a pretty visual but that's it

[near wyvern]

+5% crit chance and then be disappointed

[fresh reef]

[near wyvern]

Now go and shoot double balls. Try to quell cancel to increase your fire rate but not too fast or you'll cancel the additional cast as well!

[drowsy slate]

They really should increase base crit rate to 10% and perk crit chance to 10 or 15%

[fresh reef]

doesn't the extra shot happen on crit roll not on crit damage?

hypothetically should be impossible to anim cancel that

[late yew]

why dissapointed?

[near wyvern]

The double cast makes another animation just after the shoot animation, if you quell cancel it fast enough you will cancel the proc animation thus the proc shot as well.

[fresh reef]

interesting

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

And also because Surge as a blessing sounds better than what it actually is

Transfer Peril + Warp Flurry is the uncontested king for void

[drowsy slate]

The problem with void is also that it doesn’t really kill anything besides trash mobs. Specials and elites are hard to kill on void and trash gets killed without surge anyways

[long wharf]

if the second hit from surge was a critical hit as well

there might be some interesting synergy with on-crit-hit effects

oh wait, the void staff has no additional crit chance =/

which necessitates having Warp Nexus

which means not getting to have a blessing with on-crit-hit effects

[late yew]

it is the best staff to kill ranged enemies

Also it is really good at horde clearing

[long wharf]

it's only decent at horde clearing

and that's on Malice

[late yew]

Which is better?

[late yew]

no

I would argue it is even better than purge for horde clearing

[long wharf]

you'd be very, very wrong

[late yew]

just have to have at least 10 IQ to use it right

[long wharf]

but go ahead and try

[leaden thunder]

i mean it's not better then purge at it

because that's kinda what purge does

but it kills pretty easily on damn

[fresh reef]

Better than purg, no. On par? Maybe

[leaden thunder]

even against gunner elites

[late yew]

just always aim for headshots

[long wharf]

what void does better than purge is kill an oncoming group at a distance

[late yew]

so

which of the 2 surges should i leave

and which give up for blessing

[long wharf]

neither have Transfer Peril, so the question is moot

[fresh reef]

they're surge staves

since when did transfer matter on surge?

[long wharf]

whoops, yeah, no TP on surge staff

focused channeling is, IMO, a pointless blessing on surge staff

[late yew]

no shit

[long wharf]

if you're in danger of being interrupted with surge, then you're playing wrong

[late yew]

Question is, which has better stats

Obviously matter is about which blessing to strip and transfer to the other staff, flurry to Nexus or Nexus to flurry

[fresh reef]

the 375, almost entirely for charge rate

[drowsy slate]

Purge kills mixed hordes very well. void is good against everything that’s not special Elite or something. On damnation with premade group where I know that I got a reliable ranged player I prefer purge. On random groups it’s always a gamble 🤷

[late yew]

Was also thinking that, thanks

I suppose damage is irrelevant on surge

[late yew]

Premade groups are never assumed in discussion

because with premade group you can go all grey items

and win

[fresh reef]

Surge is uber bad at killing anything that isn't a crusher in my experience

god forbid those crushers are in a horde, because you won't be hitting them

[long wharf]

well, surge's primary job isn't killing

it's "okay" with scabs

[fresh reef]

true

I just wish it could kill, I dunno, anything

I'd be okay with the target limit if it did substantial damage

[long wharf]

surge staff behavior really needs adjusting

full damage to all targets it hits, not just the first two

and ramp up number of targets based on charge level

[idle bay]

It will get nerfed immidiately after that - because some a-holes will whine on forums that it's too powerfull now 🙂

[long wharf]

most likely

and then FartShart will finally give surge staff Blazing Spirit blessing

and then they'll dump down the soulblaze dot damage

to harvest all of our psyker tears

[idle bay]

It's in nice spot - rated last by most staff enthusiasts. Perfect spot for not getting nerved like ever 🙂 So i'm fin with Surge staff as is

[fresh reef]

The Surge staff is making Damnation unplayable

There's just no challenge in the mode whenever a surge psyker joins. The entire horde just gets stunned. You guys nerf the flamer but allow this bullshit? Fuck sake

[late yew]

what perks ideal for surge?

[idle bay]

Shh.... don't let Fatshark know

[long wharf]

you know what? I wouldn't mind a perk just for the surge staff that ups number of enemies hit

[idle bay]

Or lingering stagger from it

[late yew]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-dog-pet-poke-gif-17835661

[long wharf]

my #1 biggest gripe with the surge staff is the primary/secondary target damage bullshit

[idle bay]

Flak + Crit.

[late yew]

is it not already good against lfak anyway

wonder if + unarmored can help reach some breakpoints

[idle bay]

And you need to capitalize on that !

Play to the strength of the Surge, band-aiding it's weaknesses will not help it

[fresh reef]

Second that. Better to kill what it's good at killing faster

[long wharf]

yeah, the damage to anything not flak isn't worth boosting

[fresh reef]

rather than kill maybe 3 poxwalkers

[long wharf]

much better to kill flak faster (meaning less charge necessary to do so)

[late yew]

why crit important for surge?

It seems to have really bad crit multiplier

[long wharf]

just a shame that the one staff that has decent crit chance gets no crit-focused blessings

surge staff applies more stun/stagger value on crit

noticeable on the harder-to-stun things, like mutants

[late yew]

which one is that

[long wharf]

blazing spirit is one

[late yew]

They get stunned with just 1 tap of lightning either way, no?

[long wharf]

blazing spirit is the big one

[long wharf]

frequently not

[late yew]

never noticed

[long wharf]

I've noticed it regularly

[elfin geode]

Does voidstrike just need to deal more damage to be useful? It's my favorite one to use but admittedly a little underwhelming

In comparison to Surge and Purgatus

[long wharf]

void needs to deal more damage in the form of a larger crit damage multiplier, IMO

[elfin geode]

Ah that's smart

More DMG outright could be overtuned

[long wharf]

they also need to fix the collision detection

keep the way void can hit enemies behind cover

get rid of not being able to fire through doorways at an angle

sadly, that's not likely to happen

[elfin geode]

Yeah I've also noticed that

[long wharf]

FartShart isn't competent enough to change collision detection

[idle bay]

Larger Weakspot Damage Multiplier and Larger Weak Spot Critical Hit Damage Multiplier - to really reward skillful shots

[long wharf]

and make the surge blessing do a crit hit, not a normal hit

to really make it useful

[elfin geode]

I thought about voidstrike being more like a rocket launcher

AoE on impact point

[long wharf]

I really want to see void be a real DPS/spike damage staff

it's just not there right now

the blast radius stat only applies to when the projectile stops (hit geometry or something armored)

void ought to aoe on everything it hits

if the aoe is going to be kept as low as it is right now

[elfin geode]

Eh I'm ok with it being a railgun or a rocket, but that seems like the wrong way to tune it

I could be wrong tho I ain't no game dev

[long wharf]

the problem is that literally nobody cares about blast radius

it's a dump stat

so either get rid of it or make it useful

I'd also be for getting rid of Blast Radius and replacing it with Finesse/Crit

just pick a direction and go there

[elfin geode]

Yeah cause there's not really a single target dmg staff at the moment

It could fill that role really nicely

I'd like to see the uh

[long wharf]

trauma needs tuning as well

[elfin geode]

I forget what it's called in VT2

The rapid fire sienna staff

[haughty bough]

remember there are still 3 staff patterns that havent been released

[elfin geode]

I'd like to see a form of that back in

[haughty bough]

my bet is one of those is a single target

[elfin geode]

Ah I didn't know that!

[long wharf]

how do you know?

[elfin geode]

Coolcoolcool

[idle bay]

That idea probably on Hold in Fatshark office.

[haughty bough]

datamines, there are 7 staff patterns in the files

[elfin geode]

Yummy

[long wharf]

last time I looked at the source, I didn't see more staff files

[elfin geode]

The children yearn for the datamines

[haughty bough]

but all it shows is 7 slots for staves afaik, so no info on what they actually are

[long wharf]

and datamines only show you what's in the code, not what the intent was for those assets

[idle bay]

Imagine Force staff that have BB on Warp Dust, Cocaine and Steroids at the same time.

[haughty bough]

ye

[long wharf]

it's equally possible that they're discarded ideas, not up-and-coming ideas

[elfin geode]

Oh I have one more question for psykerchat

What feats do y'all run with Purg?

[late yew]

How do i permastun whole horde with surge?

[elfin geode]

Is it just Wildfire that you change from standard

?

[haughty bough]

i dont even take wildfire on it tbh

6 warp charges is too nice for damnation breakpoints

[elfin geode]

Yeah makes sense

[long wharf]

at the same time, the staves really need to be rolled up into a single weapon type, so that all the different staves share the same blessings

[haughty bough]

but wildfire is still good for horde clear

[elfin geode]

Yeah but it's not like it struggles without it

[haughty bough]

i really want this to happen but i feel like its pure copium at this point

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

all we can do is keep yelling at FartShart what we want

[haughty bough]

yep

[long wharf]

it's up to them to decide to listen

[idle bay]

1. You Don't Stun A Horde
2. If you do such disgrace then - Inner Tranquility + Psyhic Communion + high Warp Resistance + high quell Peril + Kinetic Flayer + Quicken - and you do really really long shock therapy session with only super-short breaks

[elfin geode]

I think it'd be cool for some combination of that, a base of blessings that apply to all staves but a couple unique ones for each variant

[late yew]

well someonbe said you can trivialise horde with surge

[long wharf]

you can't

[haughty bough]

maybe on lower difficulties

but heresy and damnation will overwhelm your surge easily

[long wharf]

is it really a horde if you can keep it at bay by stunning 6 enemies?

[elfin geode]

You can trivialize packs of specials/elites

But not so much hordes

[late yew]

this

[long wharf]

he was being facetious

turn on your joke detector

[elfin geode]

Jebait, i fear

[haughty bough]

lol

[idle bay]

Horde can only be held by Surge in narrow gaps. When 6 stunned enemies work as a cork in a bottleneck

[late yew]

oh enemies don't pass through each other like in vermintide?

[elfin geode]

However, 3 ogryn rush your team, surge can handle that

Well they can and they can't

[long wharf]

surge doesn't kill well, but it's still an amazing staff

[haughty bough]

they can if they feel like it in the moment 🙂

[idle bay]

Surge can be called "Momentum breaker" "Push holder"

[elfin geode]

I think this game is still using the slot system from VT

Which is like only so many enemies can be attacking you at one time

If those slots are occupied, they can't move through them

[late yew]

don't think so

[elfin geode]

I think so there's just a lot more slots in this game than VT2

[late yew]

i do get instantly bursted from 100 to 0 sometimes if there are several enemies behind me that i did not see

or that

[elfin geode]

Cause hordes are waaaaay bigger

So it just makes sense that they would scale up the slots to match

That is pure conjecture tho

They seem to have the same behavior detailed in that old VT2 JSat video

[late yew]

what should i change perk to

[elfin geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxW4eJFsnYo

This is the video I was mentioning before

There very well could be some jank in Darktide, now that I'm looking at this again, I think this video was detailing some unintended behavior with the dev

But this is the gist of how it's supposed to work

[late yew]

it is fartshark

OF COURSE there is some jank

[elfin geode]

But yeah even looking at this for a second it seems like they bumped slots up in general

Hordes get waaaaay more dense around you in DT

[nimble burrow]

just realized i have two that are practically the same and all my setups have both
which is the dominant one (given i refine the %melee perk)

[elfin geode]

Made it to about the 8 minute mark

It sorta looks like the EXACT same issue that was present in early VT2

when you're moving, the slot system gets a little off and you can provoke a tooooon of attacks

And given that DT incentivizes you to dodge and slide and sprint etc

Could be making that symptom even worse

[edgy kite]

https://tenor.com/view/hooray-letsgo-lets-go-gif-18410791

[elfin geode]

I would guess shred because it's more reliably proc'd

But i am no expert

[nimble burrow]

and slightly more damage, at the cost of a little dodge speed

is uncanny a buff or a debuff

[elfin geode]

Rending I believe = Armor Pen

So it is a buff to your penetration

[haughty bough]

brittleness is a debuff on the enemy

rending ias a buff to yourself

[elfin geode]

Ah there you have it

[late yew]

ok, so Trauma basically middle ground between void and surge?

and generally second best staff after purge?

[long wharf]

only if you like it

I intensely dislike trauma staff

[haughty bough]

honeslty all staves are very good except for surge

[long wharf]

both the targeting and the way it spreads enemies around

[haughty bough]

which is more niche

[long wharf]

now I know your opinion is worthless 🙂

[haughty bough]

just full charge ez

did you just not read the niche part

😐

[long wharf]

if by niche you mean "everybody likes having one in the group especially at heresy+", then sure

[haughty bough]

surge is still strong just in a different way than the others

[long wharf]

it's "niche"

the "niche" of "helping keep the team alive"

[haughty bough]

yes

[long wharf]

"helping control the flow of enemies"

[haughty bough]

it has its job and it does it very well

[long wharf]

oh, we can say "shit" but not "f_ck"

[elfin geode]

It's my understanding that consensus is that Surge and Purg are the best two staves and it's a tossup between them

Trauma is 2nd place

[long wharf]

they're very different playstyles

[elfin geode]

And voidstrike is like 5th place

[long wharf]

I put trauma last

I'll take void over trauma any day of the week

[elfin geode]

I'm with you, tbh I don't enjoy using it at all

But I see people who do use it to great effect so

I get it

[long wharf]

the targeting is just... infuriatingly bad

[haughty bough]

yeah surge is not personally my cup of tea but like you said im always happy to see someone using one

void just needs so much QoL

[bronze sierra]

my personal ranking is as follows; purge, void, surge, then other weapons, and finally trauma

but thats just me

[elfin geode]

I think for me it's PurgxSurge, Void, Trauma

[bronze sierra]

i put purge at the top cause i love the way it plays and it is just a blast overall

[elfin geode]

Surge is cool because my instincts are to peel for team-mates mostly

So it does help with that

[bronze sierra]

i have and will always stay in the camp that you dont need tgo CC whats dead

and if your team is abler to take out big bois then the purge slots in really well

[elfin geode]

Not very great at Pokemon, are we? 😛

Kidding

[bronze sierra]

imma be real its been a long time

[elfin geode]

Apples and oranges obviously

[bronze sierra]

i think my last game was like B&W 1

[elfin geode]

I've just seen this exact scenario where

Horde comes

Zealot gets into position

Elites/ragers/ogryn rush up

You shock em

Zealot eliminates them with no dmg

Continues handling horde

Purg is just kinda a priority flip on that scenario for me

[bronze sierra]

yeah, the team i usualyl run with has like 0 horde capabilities

[elfin geode]

Purg all the way then

[bronze sierra]

so i fill it

plus

it makes my inner pyromaniac happy

[elfin geode]

Mmmm white fire

Is there a mod to turn down psyker fx?

my poor gfx card lmao

[bronze sierra]

i mean if the surge had a primary smite kind of attack then maybe

[elfin geode]

Is that...not brain burst?

[haughty bough]

honestly every staff not havign a unique primary is a huge lost opportunity

[elfin geode]

So true

And backtracking now that I think about it

Cause every sienna staff did IIRC

[long wharf]

every staff should not only have a unique primary

they should all have an appropriately unique special

none of this stupid staff poke nonsense

[haughty bough]

the poke makes me so mad whenever i think about it

[long wharf]

it's beyond dumb

[elfin geode]

lmao

Also true

[autumn smelt]

the world if psyker ult actually pushed enemies (or actually happens when you use it):

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-gif-21647156

[haughty bough]

lmao

[long wharf]

looks like a garden world there, you wouldn't be allowed on the soil, sibling

[kind jay]

oh oops i touched the planet i guess everyones gonna have to leave except me

[long wharf]

nah, just means time for Exterminatus

Imperium has plenty more garden worlds

[kind jay]

yeah.

i guess everyones gonna have to leave except me

(im pushing the button)

some gorilla glue, a few circuit city's, and itll be good as new

[bronze sierra]

i mean brain burst is great and all, i just feel that , like lukkuss said, they fell flat with them being more unique

[elfin geode]

For sure, just pointing out that it would probably have to be something else cause that particular ability is built into the class already

Wholeheartedly agree that they all SHOULD have something cool there

[bronze sierra]

i mean i can see that, but it doesnt really feel like a smite persay, i was thinking like a distance lightning bolt, and less of a short range one

[ionic needle]

Quite a lot of stuff in shock troops haha

[bronze sierra]

taruma could have been a rapid barrage, ala accatran

traume*

AAAAA

trauma

[long wharf]

trauma should place down a patch of lingering warpfire

to give an area denial effect

[late yew]

it is not about fun, but about being good

[bronze sierra]

but thats moreso what i would have had as purge

[late yew]

I like purge the least

but won't argue that it is the best

[late yew]

deserved for not using numeric UI

[late yew]

it is not bad, just short-ranged

[autumn smelt]

wdym numeric ui

[haughty bough]

that would make a sick blessing

[late yew]

A mandatory mod

[autumn smelt]

cant use mods

i would if i could

[late yew]

then even console pleb

even worse

[autumn smelt]

not console

[leaden thunder]

it's not out on console yet

[sick light]

Question: Which feats should one take for a surge build?
3-1-1-1-3-3?

[late yew]

6 stacks also good

and you can also try using ult CD talent

[autumn smelt]

believe me, i would be much happier if i could use mods like the scoreboard and UI mods

[long wharf]

for surge, I go 321133

[late yew]

oh, i never considered kinetic flayer actually with surge

But now it seems obvious

[long wharf]

helps with monstrosities

with surge, your range limit is how far surge will touch things, which means relying on BB for things past that that need to die now

[late yew]

it also can trigger on BB right?

[late yew]

Short range also thing for purge though

[long wharf]

sure

[olive ember]

wait is that tranquility + communion?

[long wharf]

yep

[olive ember]

ah I personally prefer WU + Aura

[long wharf]

surge isn't about doing damage

[olive ember]

yeah but WU is a global dmg buff

to BB, to melee, etc. etc.

[long wharf]

I suppose, but tranquility lets you surge more often

sometimes you just gotta surge

and surge

and surge

[olive ember]

perhaps but its basically a trade off of like 2 or 3 more blasts vs an always active dmg boost

and for me atleast, I can just quelling between casts if I need to

[long wharf]

when I play surge, I play full team support

[olive ember]

sure it drops flurry but eh

[long wharf]

I'd rather be able to absolutely lock down a sudden shit spawn or two

than do 25% more damage myself

[olive ember]

I mean you can still do that without tranquility

the difference is like 2 or 3 extra uncharged blasts without charging iirc

[long wharf]

tranquility also lets you block with peril better

and have more head room for charging Illisi more

[olive ember]

True but unless im getting screwed by shooters tbh I don't block enough to need the extra block cost

[long wharf]

I get to max peril constantly, but I passively quell less overall as a result

[olive ember]

I also have stam and block eff on my curios

[long wharf]

same

[olive ember]

so yeah unless I'm tanking DH i think warp unleashed is still better

but thats just me

[long wharf]

I noticed a big difference in peril gain when not using tranquility

[olive ember]

I mean its noticeable don't get me wrong

but its not bad enough to not take WU

imo

[long wharf]

but I'm still kind of in the mindset of how I used to play with my combat axe, as well

I should probably switch to WU for a bit to see how it feels

[olive ember]

idk I'd say give it a few games with WU and see how you feel

basically means you have to active quell a little bit here and there

but with how fast active quell is now its worth buffing melee and BB

a little bit of extra dmg on surge doesn't hurt either

[spice veldt]

and the quell ticks being fast enough to basically spam surge without allowing mutants to move even while quelling in-between at near 100% peril

[olive ember]

oh yeah its fast enough where you can stun a mutant, quickly quell, and stun again

tho its a tight timing

[long wharf]

I'll check it out

[olive ember]

one other thing is I'd recommend swapping communion to aura

[long wharf]

nah, I definitely prefer communion

[olive ember]

ah alright then

but what about CL for the funny reaper 2 shot then kek

[long wharf]

gotta have the warp charges for that to happen

[olive ember]

I typically have max warp charges even without communion

unless an elevator happens

[long wharf]

Communion helps get those warp charges up when you run dry

yeah, Communion isn't so much about keeping charges

since I'm not spending them by going 6.3

[olive ember]

True but Imo I get charges up quickly enough even without communion

granted I probably BB more than the normal damnation psyker but yeah

[spice veldt]

flayer is usually good enough for me

[olive ember]

cuz if you think about it each warp charge lasts 25 sec or something and flayer is on a 15 sec CD

realistically speaking as long as you don't hit an elevator and you are hitting something

[spice veldt]

it's rough to get warp charges back after a battle and walking around, but it's usually good enough, especially with WU that helps me meet the breakpoints anyways

[olive ember]

you will only maybe drop to 3 warp charges

it takes 50 seconds to drop from 4 charges to 2, even if you take 15 seconds away cuz KF CD thats still 35 seconds in between where every hit you do has a chance to refresh your warp charges back to 4

This is not including whenever you BB, which will happen naturally between KF procs when you gotta deal with snipers etc. or bulwarks

tho that depends on players cuz IK with surge I sometimes just open up bulwarks with surge staff instead of trying to BB them

[autumn smelt]

i thought they lasted 15

nvm im dumb

[spice veldt]

flayer is the 15 second one

[autumn smelt]

or they changed it since the last time i read it and didnt notice

but yeah if its 25 seconds, that means its really easy to keep with flayer, even elevators arent much of an issue

because you just gotta proc it again within 25 seconds, or within 50 seconds to jump back up to your max stacks

[olive ember]

The only annoyance is the 10% rng proc cuz if you are super unlucky you might drop it but

yeah