psyker-class

[north cradle]

Voidstrike and Purgatus keep the kickass armour

[cyan notch]

we aint getting it next week sadly

[blazing oak]

Just give me a cosmetic that has a coat that goes around the legs

Like medic from tf2

[void mural]

Previously I'd heard that bomber and flamer flames weren't coded to work with their respective curio resists, but someone in vet chat says that they do (outside of the instant toughness break). Can anyone confirm either way?

[north cradle]

Will Ogryn get his chunky metal chestplate finally?

I don't really like the crop top

I just went back to the Malice penance undershirt

[digital loom]

no its fine

change s ustained f ire to that blaze on crit ability

change sprint efficiency to crit chance

and run wildfire/ascendant blaze

[blazing oak]

https://i.imgur.io/h0URXek_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Defense psyker class?

[void mural]

from datamines there's a planned class called something like "protectorate" or something

[valid marsh]

Worth upgrading?

[onyx frigate]

yes

[valid marsh]

Ammo's a bit low but it's just one mag so its pretty negligible

[onyx frigate]

replace other blessing with pinning fire

[valid marsh]

Fortunately I got a tier four today

wish Psyker had an ammo ability but oh well everyone plays veteran enough to regen my ammo anyway

[onyx frigate]

then it's pretty much almost perfect

[onyx frigate]

I mean at least you can BB when you run out of ammo

[valid marsh]

true

[blazing oak]

I know

[potent echo]

I just thought, what if mind in motion let's you move at full speed when charging brainburst

Maybe it would be an actual pick

[blazing oak]

More than that

Full speed while charging staffs bb and while blocking. Allows you to spring while quelling charging staffs and charging bb

[potent echo]

Bb while blocking 👀

[blazing oak]

No

How would that work

[cyan notch]

why stop there

more speed while charging

u move 150% faster while charging bb

[potent echo]

Starts levitating

[blazing oak]

Move through walls

[spice veldt]

probably just remove being able to sprint with trauma/purg/surge while casting the secondary and tie that to mind in motion

[blazing oak]

You sprint at slow speed though

Would need to bump that up to full speed

[spice veldt]

the important thing is that it allows you to sprint-slide

since staffs only have a dodge limit of three

I find sprint-sliding to be almost always necessary when pushing into shooters with trauma

[blazing oak]

Imagine not normal walking into the line of fire like a true psyker

Mind over matter

Pain is temporary

Me when wyrdvane psyker comes out

[steel flame]

holy sheet that new psyker cosmetic is fire

[potent echo]

Can't wait to drop Winston bubble shields around tertium

[spice veldt]

i hope it also blocks my teammates' bullets

[onyx frigate]

if that happens we can pretend we're doing the suicide mission

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jb5mk3_3MWA/maxresdefault.jpg

[blazing oak]

Also make grenades bounce off it. Additionally, let me spawn it where I am looking.

[magic hull]

they have new cosmetic now?

[vagrant frigate]

thatd be nice

[spice veldt]

from today's comm-link which teased at some new cosmetics

[magic hull]

bro looked like homeless assasins creed

[blazing oak]

Looks like desert raider tomb explorer

[vagrant frigate]

@blazing oak my psyker is kinda as close to medic/lab coat as i can get

i hope the new pants match this

theres no good pants

[spice veldt]

I quite dig the ones that were teased

[vagrant frigate]

ill probably rock the new pants

they would go well w my drip

[spice veldt]

not a fan of the bracers since they'll probably bulk up the 1st person viewmodels

[vagrant frigate]

i dont have the green pants from character creation otherwise id run those

eh might not work

[primal plume]

How good is this?

[vagrant frigate]

depends on what build u wanna run

it has potential

[primal plume]

what perk should i replace the flak armor with?

[vagrant frigate]

heh, thats the thing

im not sure carapace is the way to go

but i could be wrong

i wouldnt know

[steel flame]

i mean, replace it with flak but better

[vagrant frigate]

yeah

theres not anything else u want besides crit chance

[naive junco]

bruh.. what is with these vets who refuse to pull their swords out when they get swarmed by walkers. im trying to do hadrons bidding and i look away for 2 seconds and theres a fkn horde meleeing me to death while theres 3 vets in separate corners of the zone trying to stay alive with guns out..

one guy even clears a path to me gunning trash down with his oh so trusty shredder.. and he stand in the middle of the horde reloading.. oh boy

[vagrant frigate]

tbh when i have silly vets in a horde ill spam some shoves on them w force sword

when theyre swinging their powerswords and still getting hit

cuz you can do it forever

and its 360 shove

[forest coral]

I just hope we can have proper challenge maps or runs down the track which kinda forces u to learn melee mechanics and spacing

[naive junco]

melee only modifier

[vagrant frigate]

i need something harder than t5 high int shock

if you have 2 good players on your team total its wraps

[forest coral]

In vermintide there is no nades you can fall back on except for single consumables that are there by chance. It was mostly knowing when to push, block, dodge and fight back against mixed horde

No sliding or sprinting either

[vagrant frigate]

i miss witchhunter captain

deimos is the closest thing i got

[spice veldt]

a better and updated tutorial would probably suffice

[vagrant frigate]

tbh my build just plays like whc

now that i think about it

i naturally made my build just exactly like whc

pokey melee, high dps reliable quick secondary, ult to knock people away

even ulting to proc pinning + brainrbust on hit to 1shot crushers

is like ulting to get your crit on whc

same flow

[potent echo]

Staby

[vagrant frigate]

stabby, my beloved :>

[potent echo]

Play revolver psyker

[vagrant frigate]

revovler got gutted

played it extensively before it got deleted

[potent echo]

I use it and somehow still get top offensive

Probably illisi slaughterer

[vagrant frigate]

illisi is less aesthetic

[potent echo]

Deimos slaughter equally good at horde clear actually

[vagrant frigate]

thats what i use

slaught 4

[potent echo]

Half the time I use illisi I wonder if special is even worth it

For horde I mean, still amazing for crushers or mutants

[spice veldt]

illisi heavy-special

illisi heavy-normal

[potent echo]

Yea its great vs bosses and elites

Against horde I don't see the value

[spice veldt]

light and heavy specials having 10.5 cleave

compared to the normal 6 cleave

[spice veldt]

lemme go do the math on the net damage dealt

[potent echo]

Yea but in the time you do a special heavy you can do a heavy light

Also value in the extra stagger

[spice veldt]

I should just compile this information in my onenote so that I don't have to recalculate it all the time

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[clear heath]

It's definitely worth it at the start when you don't have slaughterer stacks yet and you want to gain them quickly. Plus there's no reason not to just use it as you're approaching the horde

as for during the fight, it's also just nice to build peril

[potent echo]

Yea I kind of only use it during melee to build peril

[spice veldt]

here's a comparison without slaughterer

the asterisk indicates that I brought the damage down to 300 if it was greater to that to a particular target

e.g., instead of 354.5, I just changed it to 300, the HP of a poxwalker

[valid marsh]

[spice veldt]

@potent echo with max t4 slaughterer stacks this time

so the difference between them is less the more power you have, at least on poxwalkers

a WU + Unstable Power + Slaughterer illisi also hits the breakpoint for one-shotting groaners on a bodyshot with the minimum cleave damage

[vagrant frigate]

congrats

[spice veldt]

so on groaners with those specific blessings and WU, the special is probably more worthwhile than normals

[vagrant frigate]

112132 is the fun build

for shred

[spice veldt]

the special is also less APM to reset back to h1

I do think that the special is better in most cases, but you do run into issues of extreme overkill

hmm yeah, QQ cancelling the 1st heavy at max t4 slaughterer stacks is probably better if there's not that many enemies

[naive junco]

i dont understand what ppl did to get to damnation assassination.. who still dont drop medpack and melee the boss. instead dude is dodging around shooting poxwalkers on him instead of keeping the trash off the guy meleeing boss. How do you spend 2 minutes just running around the boss area killing trash coming after to you and not even killing specials

that in itself is a fkn skill

[blazing oak]

S rank in the Fcking Useless skill

[forest coral]

because in wise words of player who did not do any horde control during damnation assassination and caused collective team to wipe "If you hit the boss faster, we could have won quicker"

my mind expanded that day

[magic hull]

because hes doing side quest

[naive junco]

theres horde control.. then theres running away from the horde and boss and hiding in a corner cuz theres 4 poxwalkers chasing you

[blazing oak]

Sounds like they need to equip the camo perk

[magic hull]

cant blame him when theres so much going on

[blazing oak]

Makes sense. They were the victim here of the game

[forest coral]

everytime you just had one player controlling the trash hordes coming in near end of first shield break, assassination is so easy

like if a special and elite wave spawn in, sure everyone gotta focus those first but like

this aint supposed to be hard at all

you can literally have one player 1v1 the boss

[blazing oak]

Sounds like it needs more shooters

[naive junco]

especially full grenades as a zealot, blows my mind

[spice veldt]

tbf, I don't blame vets of all classes to run away to where they need to for recovering stamina

[blazing oak]

Train station new tweak: random point in the mission a train will crash through the wall, killing any players it hits. Boss is immune. Good luck

[magic hull]

cool we need more booby traps

[forest coral]

"that time a train crashed through the wall and we reincarnated a few rooms in ahead"

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/goonies-data-booby-trap-boobie-gif-14227160

[north cradle]

This is a fucking Bigfoot sighting on camera

I got a dialogue line that's relevant to my character backstory

[pearl lion]

Gib Ogryn Cadian lines

[blazing oak]

Absolute witchcraft

Loner psyker explaining where they first realized their “incomparable” mind when?

Give voice line

[north cradle]

Veteran: I practically grew up with it
Zealot: [can't remember dialogue line]
Veteran: [see above]```

Why are these so rare dammit

[naive junco]

dont you have to be paired to a specific character type to start dialogue with each other?

[blazing oak]

My favorite voice line is loner psyker being better at high gothic than fanatic zealot

[blazing oak]

How would it work otherwise? What do you mean

How would you talk to someone who isn’t there

[cyan notch]

seer psyker does it fine

[blazing oak]

The emperor is not a playable personality

[naive junco]

i mean the background stories are paired between classes.. so class 1 background 1 can converse with class 2 background 4, but c1 bg1 cant convo with c2 bg2 and such. so its a dice roll each game

[north cradle]

That's awfully restrictive

[naive junco]

they mentioned it to keep the conversation that do happen to be random isntead of once every match

[stable silo]

slight upgrade

[fallow falcon]

What's an ideal build for the laspistol? I want to combo with a force sword for some jedi knight action

Or is the answer lol lmao just use a shredder?

[twin pond]

there's a pinned gun psyker build. just use the laspistol instead of lasgun

#psyker-class message

[spice veldt]

though that's from last year

and WU now affects all damage

for the laspistol, there aren't really any great options for blessings besides ghost

it's not a gun I would really recommend, but it is there and not totally terrible; just a bit RNG

[fallow falcon]

Being able to combo a deflector sword with a ghost laspistol seems decent in theory

Line up headshots while behind your guard

Then just chain ghost on shooters

[kindred knoll]

I want to start psyker as a beginner, any tips?

[spice veldt]

what class did you play before? Or is this your first class?

[copper torrent]

I havent used laspistol since i was leveling. @fallow falcon can laspistol kill stuff?

[blazing oak]

Tip 1: don’t listen to the voices at high peril

[spice veldt]

off the top of my head, laspistol has something like a 3x crit multiplier

so it can do some good damage if it procs a crit

the problem being that psykers don't have Deadshot

[kindred knoll]

this is my first

[spice veldt]

as a brief overview, Psyker has CC force staffs as their ranged weapons; most of our DPS is in our melee

we have Brain Burst as our grenade-slot weapon, which is good for targeting enemies that run around and killing Bulwarks (who have shields) and Crushers (who have Carapace armor)

[stable silo]

best tip i ever got was stick with it u feel really strong at first then really weak then really strong

well atm i think we are always really strong after our buffs

[spice veldt]

yeah, this is probably the best state that Psyker is ever going to be in

[stable silo]

but early on psykers were weaker until great statage

ya lol theres only going down from here IMO

although they did nerf PS into still being the best weapon just not the fully undisputed best weapon then buffed plasma

[kindred knoll]

ive seen some people with lightning and fire and stuff, I just have the smite thing and my guns

I don’t want to seem stupid

[spice veldt]

you'll unlock those weapons as you level up

[kindred knoll]

oh ok

[stable silo]

each staff has different powers u get em as you go

[spice veldt]

you get your last staff somewhat late; at level 15

[kindred knoll]

I see I see

[stable silo]

trauma is lvl 8 i think right?

[blazing oak]

Some heretics will say that gun psyker is good

[kindred knoll]

what are the good staffs

[spice veldt]

as a warning, the first staff that you unlock (the Trauma staff) is quite bad at lower ratings

[blazing oak]

All of them are good

It’s play style dependent

[stable silo]

i shoot for the emp my friend my gunker build is strongk

[fallow falcon]

Force push on the laspistol is better than I gave it credit, it works from 10 meters away

[blazing oak]

Take your primitive weaponry and shoo

Not a real witch

[stable silo]

i dunno man insta proc BB while shooting suppresing entire hordes generating tons of ammo with elite kills feels very nice

[kindred knoll]

so I’ll try to get a staff first huh?

[blazing oak]

If you wish

[stable silo]

staffs kinda suck at lower stat levels

but feels beter now that peril managment was buffed

[blazing oak]

Surge (lightning) is your full cc staff

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[stable silo]

like that but no power just more standing around

[blazing oak]

Use lmb headshots

[stable silo]

i wish u could just keep channeling it like the purge haha but hten what would the diff be

[blazing oak]

Surge has much longer range

[kindred knoll]

is staff what makes psyker good?

[spice veldt]

the trauma staff will initially feel quite bad because it has really bad charge scaling; a 0% Charge Rate trauma will take 2.5 seconds to fully charge, and an 80% Charge Rate trauma will take 1 second

I'd say the staffs have their strengths

[kindred knoll]

what makes psyker good

[blazing oak]

Feats are a big part

[spice veldt]

Psyker has some good toughness Regen feats and melee

we have the fastest stamina Regen delay among the classes, and our force swords have infinite dodges

[blazing oak]

unlike veterans we don’t need to see the sniper to kill the sniper using brainburst

[near wyvern]

The fact that you can make a loadout that deals with everything in the game.

[cyan notch]

i feel like psyker toughness regen is kinda mid compared to other classes

[near wyvern]

And because of Brain Burst there are multiple loadouts that can do this

[spice veldt]

I think quietude is pretty comfy

[cyan notch]

no constant healing ewew like zealot no ultra stacking elite killing regen like vet no literally hit anything 20% regen like ogryn

[spice veldt]

and is a very generalist Regen feat

[blazing oak]

Quietude is nice for when your Allies buggered off on heresy difficulty and got themselves mulched

[shrewd nest]

Also you can take warp absorption and cleave a horde getting your entire toughness bar back from nothing

[worn cypress]

quietude has the on-demand at any situation tier reliability that none of the classes have

which is really nice

[shrewd nest]

Illisi special with warp absorption fucks, and it's good for just general killing things, it and quietude I both like a good bit

That with a surge staff to keep any bigger nasties off you and I think it's a better melee build than anything zealot does, and probably better than ogryn too for that sake, it's really nice

Had a friend call psyker the "single target class" when complaining I wasn't killing the sniper he walked directly into the open to get hit by while I was trauma staffing a horde with bulwarks and crushers

[forest coral]

its a funny state of balance atm, the force melee weapons psyker has is def stronger than zealot

but zealot has the feats to turn the average melee weapon into decent performers regardless what they are

only definitive outlier being the thunder hammer vs monsties being the one thing that psyker wont keep up with

[vagrant frigate]

now thats a lot of damage

[orchid shadow]

Oof, everyone plays at FOVs that makes my eyes twitch

[vagrant frigate]

120

unplayable any lower

[potent echo]

Gunker?

[cyan notch]

was not fun

[near wyvern]

Another episode of why I have to do everything by myself

[vagrant frigate]

damn 175 specials

[cyan notch]

with manual slow bb

[vagrant frigate]

lol

[bold flint]

uncanny 4 is a hell of a drug

[vagrant frigate]

on deimos its funny

not good

just funny

[idle bay]

Now bang some melody on his helmet 🙂

[bold flint]

does it do literally nothing on heavy 2

[vagrant frigate]

it jus stacks damage fast with heavy 2

[bold flint]

oh, you can do heavy 2 out of push attack

[north cradle]

HiS5 is insane

Are we calling it HiS5? High-Intensity-Shock Gauntlet Damnation?

[spice veldt]

i vote for hishock5

HIS5 is a bit too abbreviated for my tastes

[bold flint]

huh, stacking all the damage i can, i can oneshot ragers with deimos heavy 2

[river sand]

you can drop the 5 cause who the fuck plays any lower than damnation ?

[river sand]

a good deimos can can oneshot a charging mutie, best melee in the game

[bold flint]

yeah i reckon if i put maniac damage on i could hit that breakpoint much earlier

[river sand]

only bad thing is the weak spot damage. i need 6 warp charges and 20% peril with warp unleashed to reach the bp

only mauler/ogryn types cant get oneshot from it

all the ranged elites die even from a light 1

[cyan notch]

i think just hi shock works

just assume its damnation unless stated otherwise

[stable silo]

new sword > old sword ?

[ionic needle]

I'd reroll Block Efficieny to Maniacs and Blazing Spirit to Deflector on the first one and go with that

[pearl lion]

Very funny playing a game and all 3 others are constantly on orange ammo

Whilst also shooting every horde with a flamer and every blue head with a plasma

[ionic needle]

HI T6 without a Vet is quite a curse

[pearl lion]

Like I have a VS guys

you dont need to flamer the single entrance horde

[ionic needle]

I see too many people in pugs shooting literally everything, it's so unnecessary

And risky! Melee has a block and better dodging for a reason

[half iron]

must shoot random lone poxwalker urgh!

[north cradle]

Check out my new dig

How does Mk VI compare to Mk III as far as moveset anyhow

[lucid olive]

slaughterer makes the most difference

for those two

[north cradle]

Yeh

[magic hull]

how do u get the stats like that

[north cradle]

By being good at shooting

[magic hull]

no how do u get the stats table

idc about ur skill

[spice veldt]

it's a mod https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

[north cradle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

[spice veldt]

fastest in the west

[north cradle]

Drat

[magic hull]

damn why cant dev just implement this

the most basic thing

[north cradle]

Because in the process of trying to not make the weapon system like Call of Duty, they made the metagame like Battlefield 2042 by not implementing a scoreboard

So we got the worst of both

[magic hull]

no because its 40k

[spice veldt]

though I reckon it's just a lack of time and resources, since they do seem to be stretched a bit thin on both

and it's a bit down on the order of priority

[magic hull]

i need to check the stats to feed my ego wdtm low prio, heresy

[cold geode]

ooo hab high shock

[north cradle]

I was never really good at Investigation Hi-Shock

It's really close quarters

[radiant lance]

Man, really good blessings and perks. Damage a killer here?

[chrome arch]

Looks good enough for my eye although never used voidstrike just yet, so far only stuck to Purgatus and Surge staves

Don't have a screenshot but I got 379 Accatran mk II recon lasgun, good stats dispo, 25 flak 25 maniac, has III dumdum on lock and I gave it III sustained fire for now...

...should I unironically use it for some gunker plays or not worth it?

[tired estuary]

Its generally considered stinky but tbh just try it and see how you feel, worst thing that happens is you're stuck with a weapon you don't like for a match that might end early anyways

[ionic needle]

I'm very disappointed in FS for not including the scoreboard as a baseline, I loved collecting green circles in VT2

The scoreboard mod just doesn't have the same feel to it, I want my green circles damn it

[late yew]

What should i be doing against assassionation bosses?

Spam BB? Melee? Clear horde?

[potent echo]

It has really weird scoring as well, spraying the autopistol gives team score like why

[late yew]

why unyielding is good?

[potent echo]

Melee boss, clear horde for that one guy on the team with the best horde clear option

Usually flamer/purg

[spice veldt]

assassination bosses take extra damage from melee

[late yew]

And if your team has none of those?

[potent echo]

Partying time

[late yew]

specifically shield

[late yew]

???

[spice veldt]

still melee

[potent echo]

All 4 dodge dancing around the boss while meleeing

Hope one guy doesn't bring the bosses overhead attack onto another player

[spice veldt]

teammates can just hold off hordes wherever they happen to spawn

on chasm terminus, it's a bit more sketchy, but sometimes you can get lucky with the boss positioning and spawns

e.g., the horde comes from 1 side and you've got the boss on the other

[ionic needle]

When I'm running cerebral lacerations I usually spam BB to keep the damage buff on the boss, otherwise I melee the boss or help out with any special spawns

Shooting the boss is usually not a good idea because he swaps to ranged and starts blasting

[spice veldt]

and I'm pretty sure the boss' void shield takes extra damage from melee

so melee him either way

[potent echo]

I would argue to try to focus boss damage on chasm because of how messy things get if it drags on, depends on how comfortable the team is

2-2 split is definitely bad, maybe 3-1

3 bosses dps, 1 horde killer

[spice veldt]

well that's the dream

but sometimes the team doesn't melee

and I have 0 trust in randoms to DPS the boss down

[potent echo]

Bring non illisi force sword to carry their asses probably the next simplest solution

[late yew]

well horde no biggie, it is specials what fuck things up

[potent echo]

You shouldnt use special on the shield, but special them once the shield goes down

[spice veldt]

hope that your team sticks together then

or pay particular attention to special spawns to catch the occasional sniper/trapper

there really is no definitive strat unless you're playing in a premade

[potent echo]

It would be good if more people default to meleeing the boss

[late yew]

Deimos' special is pretty nuts against that boss

[late yew]

They do?

Never seen anyone shooting its shield

So why unyielding is good on void?

[spice veldt]

I have had many teammates who just shoot the shield

the void shield is its own armour type

the assassination boss is flak (hence why the deimos/obscurus special deal particularly high damage to his HP)

or psykers who stay at the very back and just brainburst the boss

[cold geode]

never again, i see a shield im dropping

[late yew]

So why unyielding is good on void?

[spice veldt]

oh you mean voidstrike

[potent echo]

No clue, I know some pubs shoot balls into gryns but its like a 6-8 headshot breakpoint

[spice veldt]

idk, probably because the other options are meh

you already one-shot non-elite/non-special enemies with a full charge

well, dreg gunners have an unarmoured head

could also just be bendking referring to the +25% Flak and not the +25% unyielding

since they can always refine the unyielding into another perk of their choosing

[potent echo]

Even if they do take it for boss damage, I think brainburst would probably out dps due to consistency (not having to aim)

[cyan notch]

void boss damage is garbage

[spice veldt]

since the epicentre doesn't seem to be explosion damage, and only the bon bon takes extra damage from explosion dmg anyways

well, bonbon also takes reduced damage from BB

I think he took 550 damage last time I checked?

hmm yeah

[karmic copper]

Shit damn i didn't know bon took such reduced brain

Fek

[spice veldt]

I suppose if you could consistently hit the bonbon's weakspot, you would deal more DPS than with brain burst maybe

I forget the damage modifiers on its body parts

maybe not, since voidstrike probably counts as ranged damage

i should just go test the damage numbers

huh, the beast of nurgle takes 770 damage from BB now it seems (with WU taken off)

80% damage voidstrike without WU into its weakspot is 458 damage

yeah it's more worth to BB now

[potent echo]

Does voidstrike actually have weakspot multiplier?

Nvm it does

[spice veldt]

though it's quite shit

really only a 1.3x damage boost over a bodyshot

[late yew]

fuck you hadron

also why i cannot jerk deimos like i can illi...

[ornate hamlet]

Hey, 30% is 30%

[late yew]

wat

no

The only T4 blessings i get are garbage ones

[lethal folio]

https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid

[idle bay]

There is big neon counter hanging in Fatshark's office. Each time hadron bricks 370+ weapon - it adds 1 to counter making an evil person in charge of this design - to smile.

[spice veldt]

ooh you added some more details

[supple sable]

emperor blesses me

[kind jay]

more like excommunicated you

[digital loom]

some weird things are happening

when servers get janky i get random jumps of peril

a blast will take 30% instead of 15% and explode me for example

but only when the game is so nuts the server is melting

[idle bay]

It's Backed Potato Servers - they have less conductivity than regular potato servers

[digital loom]

it doesnt happen often'

sometimes it will happen several times in the span of a few minutes and then none at all for the rest of the game

[idle bay]

Hit registration is always wonky

[granite dust]

Sword need some changes (in blessing and perks) but i'm pretty happy with my crit staff

[ionic needle]

That's a sick staff

[long osprey]

The Deimos with pareil based damage is nice

Same with the illisi and quell on hit

You jerk off your sword then go fighting

[tepid umbra]

What should I look for on a Purgatus Staff?

Both perks and blessings

[drowsy wharf]

crit, flak(?); warp flurry and warp nexus

and you want burn to be 76% or higher

[rare furnace]

New drip time 🕰️

So in a month we get new shop skins too?

[drowsy wharf]

that's from the commlink forum post

[rare furnace]

YOOO OK GAME ALMOST ON FULL FORCE NOW HAHA

Driptide is coming

[rigid sky]

Can anyone give any advice on surge staff? What blessings and perks should I aim for?

[river sand]

best for surge staff is replacing it with trauma/void/purg. but if you really wanna be the cc bot then going flurry/nexus and perks flak + carapace/unarmored is ok

[olive ember]

screw you

surge staff is great

[olive ember]

blessings is flurry + nexus, perks you can run crit chance/flak/maniac/unarmoured (choose 2 from the 4) imo

[river sand]

its fun but you dont kill anything thats not flak / carapace. so you gotta go with an illisi and then you dont have the marvellous deimos

[still hearth]

Great at making me leave games

[olive ember]

Well I hate the deimos anyways

[river sand]

i wish they give us some sort of beam staff thats visually in the lightning theme

[olive ember]

.>

lazorr hasn't been talking about my surge staff lately

because surge staff is great

[west galleon]

Anything that doesnt kill a regular enemy with one full charge is träsh

[olive ember]

see

[river sand]

how dare you

[olive ember]

surge staff is amazing

fuck the deimos

[river sand]

that man gotta be banned from this server !

[west galleon]

Nooo

[forest coral]

Ban the heretic

[idle bay]

Exile him to GENERAL CHAT

[safe crystal]

The dreaded general chat

[forest coral]

What even happens in general chat

[river sand]

nobody is allowed to talk down the glorious deimos !

[deft gorge]

how did i do

[twilit flicker]

Ya did good, boss. Just throw slaughter onto exorcist and flak dmg onto crit dmg and you should be even better.

[long osprey]

Just wish we could spam charge deimos sword but it would be OP

[olive ember]

ugh deimos smh

[lethal folio]

qq cancel the charge is ok.

[rigid sky]

I am literally building a Surge just so I have an excuse to use Illisi, since I don't wanna use guns. I also feel like it's my best bet for getting the Heresy penances done since with my favoured Purgatus I want to take Ascendent Blaze and so I don't get the better brain bursts.

[olive ember]

look at all these fake surge enthusiasts

truly the darkest time line

[idle bay]

i'm wondering about new Penances.
While being totaly resonable and auto-complte type - it will be a BLOODBATH and kill-stealing angry rants for elite/special kills 🙂

It will take years to complete for average camo-vet 🙂

[modern bronze]

On higher level runs theres gonna be like four to five specials on screen at once

[idle bay]

Or even more 🙂

Enough for everyone 🙂

Also Gauntlet

[rain saddle]

not if you are still in the same volley fire

[olive ember]

fuck that shits impossible

I only play malice

[idle bay]

Impossible for camo vet - they usualy kill 1 poxwalker and barely kill 1 special/elite per volley fire. They are THAT slow

[late yew]

this

[late yew]

had 3 bombers 3 snipers and some others

[idle bay]

Psyker chat- talking shit about"blunts" 🙂

[rain saddle]

im just thinking of how many times i volley fire and murder all shooters and the 5 elites and it is up for over a minute

[late yew]

Magic > pew pew

[wet belfry]

Magic and pew pew > magic > pew pew

[late yew]

no

fuck pew pew

entirely

unless it is really BIG pew pew

or it is BOOM BAM

[idle bay]

I sometimes have volleygasms whe i play on my vet - making it last for 5 miuntes 🙂

When AI director descides tht it will be shooting dregs after shooting dregs after shooting dregs for few rooms and pattrols

[rain saddle]

mag dump shredder speedrun

[idle bay]

I'd love to shotguns as Psyker 🙂

take away lasguns and give us Shotguns

[summer prairie]

Weird that there is only a t3 version of Supeority

[granite dust]

up to 4% scaling with peril - so every 25% peril gives 1% of power ...

[worthy moon]

Just got level 25 on Psyker. Using Purgatus and Mk2 Force Sword, what feats should I use? Currently running: Quititude, Warp unleashed, Psycic communion, kinetic shield and warp battery

[summer prairie]

That's fine though kinetic deflection is usually preferred

[worthy moon]

What level 30 feat should I take? I’ve found the two weapons that I love on Psyker so just going to build around these 2

[summer prairie]

ascendant blaze usually with purg

I personally prefer kinetic barrage for high intensity shocktroops even with purg but that's more specific

[wet belfry]

We had shotguns at beta no?

Pretty sure fatshark just decided shotguns dont belong to their design of the psyker

[olive ember]

yeah we had shotguns in the CBT

they were actually good back then too

[tropic lagoon]

I still find kinetic barrage to be the move. It's so easy to keep warp flurry stacks and the purgatus with high crit already applies hella stacks

and with 6 warp charges and more damage at high peril, you can CHUNK bosses with kinetic barrage

[olive ember]

AB is mostly used to deal with shooter packs

got hurt a bit since stupid global burn nerf but

6 stacks used to be able to kill everything up to ragers in combination with warp unleashed etc. etc.

especially if you boosted it by swapping over to a FS and proccing slaughterer

[blazing oak]

Add in cerebral lacerations and your teammates can join in on the fun.

[tropic lagoon]

Does purgatus soulblaze stack with warp unleashed / warp charges?

[olive ember]

yep

they changed it like 2 patches back so warp unleashed is just a global dmg buff

warp charges have always been a global dmg buff

[radiant lance]

What talents do you guys never take on Psyker?

[wet belfry]

Wrack and ruin

[wet jacinth]

Ruin and Wrack

Any psyker who runs it is likely listening to the voices and obeying them

[radiant lance]

Do you ever run Inner Tranquility over Warp Unleashed?

[steel wren]

I like the voices

[ionic needle]

Wrack and Ruin is such a weird talent, like... People who choose it know that Warp Unleashed and Inner Tranquility is right there, right?

[near wyvern]

Warp Unleashed is just too strong to pass on, enjoy it while it lasts.

You can get those sweet BB one shots on Ragers, Bursters and Flamers with it

[radiant lance]

Yeah it's great. Hope they don't nerf it and instead buff the others on the row.

Also... It is just me or is Wildfire bugged? It doesn't seem able to push a unit above 4 or so stacks.

[heady relic]

it says right on the ability, limit 4

[radiant lance]

What I mean is if say, 2 units die next to a unit, it doesn't go up to 8 stacks.

It stays at 4 stacks even if 50 units with 10+ stacks die next to it.

[heady relic]

nope, wont go past 4

[radiant lance]

Isn't that a bug? Because that's not what the description says.

[hollow steeple]

the breakpoint is 76% burn, isn't it?
this is so close to being incredible :(

[olive ember]

rip too much quell speed

[hollow steeple]

i'm still gonna pick it up
I don't really see myself playing anything over regular damnation for a bit (regular damnation is still a bit scary sometimes lol) so I doubt it's a HUGE difference

[edgy kite]

Out with a bang and pick n mix are fucking impossible to get

People are just constantly gung-ho with their guns

[hollow steeple]

Use this discord and find people to help you get them
That's how I got them

[edgy kite]

It's just bad design

"hey team if you could not play for a minute so i can get this"

I'm sure i'll get it eventually, but fucking helll

[hollow steeple]

I mean you only ever have to do them once
I do think that penances should generally be more about stuff you'd do anyway
but I wouldn't go so far as to call it bad design

[edgy kite]

The new ppenance we're getting is what they should've all been like

[thorny socket]

They're more like classic vermintide 2 challenges where they're things you do over time rather than something weird in one mission

Pysker cosmetic looks kinda bad though

[blazing oak]

Go to comms plex mid point mission and stay on the right balcony. Gives you a good view of the gunners that spawn in the room before the midpoint room before your teammates do, so you have first dibs on them

For pick n mix

And going out with a bang

[hollow steeple]

I actually really dig the shirt and pants combo o the psyker
not so sold on the hat but I'd need to see it

[thorny socket]

Idk how I feel about the colors being so bland

[edgy kite]

Going out with a bang i've repeatedly been running intno a pack of gunners with Illisi special spam, but people just gun em down instantly

even if i say what i'm trying to do

[hollow steeple]

so I think they are going to actually add recolors to the armory with this, too
but that might just be me misreading the statement

[blazing oak]

Again go to comms plex and for going out with a bang camp the entrance to the midpoint room and wait for the gunners/shotgunners to spawn

[thorny socket]

Yea that last statement was confusing for me too

[edgy kite]

Yeah I'll try that, just gotta wait for the mission to be in rotation

Cheers

[blazing oak]

[thorny socket]

Idk if they were referring to the Vet or Ogryn since they get two penances

[blazing oak]

There’s more

That they haven’t shown us

[thorny socket]

Which I'm hoping means they're gonna add that armor we still don't have

But the zealots also missing two sets

[radiant lance]

I'm posting a feedback thread on Psyker talents, anyone wanna give feedback on it before I post?

[blazing oak]

Mind in motion best perk

[edgy kite]

Post a link to the thread

[radiant lance]

Will do so when it's posted, was hoping for feedback before I post potential nonsense.

[radiant lance]

Alright ,here it is @edgy kite.
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/underwhelming-psyker-talents/78439

[edgy kite]

👍

[radiant lance]

I definitely might be wrong about stuff here. Would appreciate corrections.

[fresh steeple]

I had a Purgatus Psyker in one of my Zealot games a few days ago

noticed it only because he had BBed a Crusher at the beginning of the map, and it procced W&R. I see Soulblaze on the adds thinking "That's odd, he was really far away, how do they have— Oh, my God-Emperor, no."

[sick light]

Uh Ijust came back to the game. Please don't tell me the purgatus isnt good anymore lol

[edgy kite]

I'd only say that Kinetic deflection is fine as is, it's incredibly strong, especially with a force sword with deflector.

[fresh steeple]

Purgatus is fine. Surge and Purge are both a step below Trauma and Void, but they're more than adequate for the highest gameplay

[edgy kite]

Inner tranquility is pretty strong too under the right circumstances, mainly used with the surge staff to perma stagger anything

[clear heath]

being able to build peril by blocking is actually pretty nice utility on its own

[fresh steeple]

main problem with Purgatus is that the Flamer nerf to Zealots two weeks ago indirectly nerfed Soulblaze as well, so it does worse against Flak targets now

which stinks

My comment was not about the Purgatus staff. It was that he was running W&R.

[radiant lance]

Fair enough. I don't rate Deflector that highly myself because it is quite situational imo.

[edgy kite]

I disagree, i use it all the time, it's incredibly useful to help you close the gap between loads of gunners

[leaden thunder]

well thing is you can do that anyway

[radiant lance]

Hmm, you can do that with your infinite dodge sliding though

Though somewhat less safely

[fresh steeple]

"Kinetic Shield
The bonus here is simply much too low to matter. I suggest buffing both the base from 10% to 25% and the cap to 66%."

So you want to give Psykers more damage reduction than Zealots now? No way they're ever going to buff the Psyker version of reduction, which doesn't even require a proc, to the already nerfed Faith Restored

[edgy kite]

True, but you're still lgonna take some damage, and on higher difficulties gunners are the main issue as they just shred your toughness

[leaden thunder]

dodge slide, running at an angle (with stamina), making sure they are suppressed

etc

[radiant lance]

So what do you suggest? The current version of the feat is incredibly underhwelming

[edgy kite]

Or just hold right click and push W 😉

[clear heath]

sometimes more safely than blocking if there are shots from multiple directions

[leaden thunder]

tbh kinetic shield is actually quite good

[fresh steeple]

I think a 33% flat damage reduction for high peril builds is pretty decent

[leaden thunder]

considering how little you block if you don't have deflector on your force sword

[blazing oak]

Run mind in motion

Also why replace mind in motion when you can just buff it to apply to many more things

And allow you to sprint while doing those things

[fresh steeple]

you may be mistaken into thinking it only affects ranged damage because of the shitty tooltip. It's actually toughness reduction from all sources of damage.

[leaden thunder]

that is also true

but that may be fixed in the future

[clear heath]

or they might just change the desc

[leaden thunder]

on pskyers it should stay as both

imo

[clear heath]

yeah i think it's fine as is

[fresh steeple]

for high peril Psykers, that's a 33% flat full damage reduction with no meaningful condition. If they had kept Faith Restored at 75% reduction on Zealots I could imagine them buffing KS, but they clearly did not want situations where people are passively mitigating large chunks of damage on Damnation and must use move tech or cover to survive

[blazing oak]

Why replace mind in motion instead of leaning all in to the mobility route

[leaden thunder]

I mean

faith restored needs to be buffed rn to like 66%

but that's another conversation

I think for other psyker talents

wrak needs to either apply more stacks for just work on anything

[radiant lance]

Huh.

[fresh steeple]

Mind in Motion would be a very cool tech if it allowed you to use staff secondaries while moving at full speed

or BB

[blazing oak]

Allow you to sprint at full speed while quelling charging staffs and charging brainburst

That’s my suggestion

Just remove movement penalties

[fresh steeple]

yup. Basically "your Warp-related actions no longer reduce movement speed"

[leaden thunder]

wildfire needs it's stack transfer limit removed

[fresh steeple]

^

[leaden thunder]

quicken is actually pretty solid now

[fresh steeple]

I was so excited to use it, and so disappointed when I learned about the crippling cap

[clear heath]

i feel like that's a bug

[fresh steeple]

I agree Quicken is alright. It's mainly a QoL thing for "I don't want to have to brain burst." It basically turns Warp Charges into automatic permanent gains with Psychic Communion

[leaden thunder]

kinetic flayer needs to have it's chance reduced(or something) but change the cool down to be per target rather then over all

maybe make it not generate warp charges or generate less or something

to prevent just using the fasest firing weapon you can and just instantly stacking it

[edgy kite]

I really don't want it to NOT generate warp charges

That's the main reason i use it

[fresh steeple]

I fear it may be a bit too powerful if this change happened, but frankly I think it would be good with simply changing the cooldown to 5 seconds, and still having it be one target.

functionally that would mean that trying to proc it on a specific mob would still take some time, as it would be a 1 in 10 chance and not be remotely likely to proc within that 5 second window several times over

but it would be nice in horde scenarios to get Warp Charges running quickly. Maybe alongside a "prioritizes elite and specialist enemies" modifier

that is, if it hits 10 targets and activates a proc, then that proc would be reoriented to an elite/specialist. But fighting a lonesome Crusher, for instance, won't do anything meaningful.

[radiant lance]

Thanks, will add to post.

[blazing oak]

No problem

Revised patch wishlist:

1. Chaxe buffs
2. Surge buffs
3. Mind in motion buffs

[cyan notch]

chaxe

[blazing oak]

Chaxe

[steep shuttle]

folding chable

[blazing oak]

Zealot chat needs to be quarantined

[wet belfry]

It would have been interseting if quicken actually changed the “shape”of the ult. Ex instead of the abillty being applied in a cone shape it was instead applied in a circle shape.

[sick light]

Oh I see. So running purgatus w ascendant blaze isn't trolling on heresy+ then?

[timber cairn]

purg+AB < Surge staff

I get as many mob kills as a purga psyker by just using special heavy on blaze V sword

[fresh steeple]

I wouldn't say it's trolling, no. It's also not that great, and you have substantially better options, but if you like Purgatus then play Purgatus.

[blazing oak]

I really need to see if the Purgatus staff caps my turn speed while flaming like the flamer does

I hope it doesn’t because then I can windmill flame

[fresh steeple]

the new Force Swords basically trivialize the one thing Purgatus was good at

[sick light]

Ya cuz I like both purga and surge. Setting things on fire or throwing lightning at them is fun.

[blazing oak]

The only bad thing about surge is that the lmb isn’t lightning

[fresh steeple]

that's the main problem with it. It's niche is Zealot-styled conal horde clear, and both Illisi and Deimos Force Swords (especially Illisi) do so faster, and safer, with no ramp-up

[ruby plover]

chaxe?

dawg

[blazing oak]

CHAXE

[ruby plover]

thank u for uploading my 15 minute messages all at once

thank u discord

[fresh steeple]

but if you do take Purgatus, you still should not take W&R. W&R is a dumpster talent compared to the two alternatives, even with its "buff"

[sick light]

Lmfao fuck W&R. All my homies abhor W&R

[radiant lance]

If W&R had like twice the radius it would probably be fine I think.

Two headpops would kill all the nearby trash.

[summer prairie]

It was fine until WU buff and flak damage nerf

[fresh steeple]

make it so that killing any target with BB applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze at a wider radius

[blazing oak]

Kinetic barrage synergy

[fresh steeple]

or a higher number of stacks. 3 stacks is useless. Gotta get it at least twice over for small mobs.

[fresh steeple]

damn straight

[blazing oak]

Wait but then that would make the fire ult perk useless

[fresh steeple]

lets you target small mobs for Soulblaze chains if you can't target specialists/elites

[summer prairie]

3 is still decent damage but not like you ever just BB once when running that

[blazing oak]

The fire ability perk consumes the bb stacks right

[fresh steeple]

yes

[blazing oak]

Yeah then no I ain’t using that

[summer prairie]

A T2 feat shouldn't nuke everything in a huge radius

[north solstice]

Bro ascendant blaze is fucking crazy

[fresh steeple]

you aren't using it anyway, then?

AB loses charges regardless of what other stuff you have going on

[radiant lance]

Yes that's the big issue with it actually imo

[fresh steeple]

while you're objectively correct here, W&R is useless unless they either make it much stronger, or they nerf the other two

[blazing oak]

I need my bb stacks for surge

[north solstice]

Surge staff?

[blazing oak]

Yes

[north solstice]

Youre using surge staff for dmg?

[fresh steeple]

what are you even doing with your life atm...

[blazing oak]

I’m at an airport right now

[north solstice]

Lol

[fresh steeple]

why would you run Surge with Ascendant Blaze, regardless of what other talents exist?

[blazing oak]

I don’t

[radiant lance]

Alright, updated the post with some of the feedback from here, thanks!

[fresh steeple]

okay. Then why are you spouting out nonsequiturs?

[blazing oak]

I don’t run surge with ascendant blaze

I didn’t?

[fresh steeple]

"I won't run buffed W&R because then Ascendant Blaze will lose my BB stacks and I need BB for Surge."

that was your thought process. And I can't fathom it atm.

[blazing oak]

????

I never mentioned wrack and ruin

For this

[fresh steeple]

we were all literally talking about it, and then I described a buffed vversion of it, and you said, and I quote, "Wait but then that would make the fire ult perk useless"

[north solstice]

I mean i run ascendant blaze because i cant be be bothered to swap my feats when i use surge

[fresh steeple]

followed by "Yeah then no I ain’t using that"

[blazing oak]

I wanted to edit that

[fresh steeple]

followed by stuff about Surge staff

[blazing oak]

This was following being told it consumes bb stacks

Not for wrack and ruin

What I meant was kinetic barrage and w&r buffed would be good alternative to AB. I used too strong a word

[fresh steeple]

I said "make it so that killing any target with BB applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze at a wider radius" and you replied "Kinetic barrage synergy" followed by "Wait but then that would make the fire ult perk useless"

[blazing oak]

Yes and I regret using that strong of a word

[fresh steeple]

okay

well, I'm glad you didn't mean to say what you said, because what you said was cuckoo pants

[north solstice]

"Cuckoo pants"

[blazing oak]

Yes I meant that it would be a good alternative to AB, which is nice because I don’t like using AB as it consumes my bb stacks which add a bit more damage to my surge staff which can help it kill more scabs

[fresh steeple]

correct. You shouldn't. AB isn't for any builds except Purgatus and meme Blazing Spirit stuff

[dusk pilot]

This is pretty good right 🤔

[radiant lance]

AB is for Gunpsyker though

[fresh steeple]

also meme Gunpsyker

[radiant lance]

Is it a meme though? seems quite strong

Though I don't have Pinning Fire so I can't test it

[fresh steeple]

it's okay. Focused Channeling isn't that necessary. But it's not terrible either.

[blazing oak]

Bendking. You mention you arent sure how much more effective sprinting while brainburst and whatnot can be. I believe it would let you slide while doing it

[dusk pilot]

Also got this one but I plan on replacing the run n gun since quite frankly it's useless on a staff

[blazing oak]

Do I need to use the sprint button to dodge slide

[dusk pilot]

Also terrifying barrage with uh, I dunno actually

[fresh steeple]

a Psyker who looks at the ranged options that they have available to them, as a ranged wizard class, and decides to pick up autopistols instead, is running a memey build. Doesn't mean it can't work. I'm not really saying it as a necessary pejorative—meme builds could well be strong in a niche—but it's still memey

[dusk pilot]

I haven't played since the beta and they've added in new perks

:v

[north solstice]

Purg already staggers, no need to surpress

[fresh steeple]

that's useless

[north solstice]

Additionally you want higher cloud radius imo

[blazing oak]

Run n gun would be good if the lmb for the staves was unique to each one and more impactful

[fresh steeple]

both blessings are bricked, unarmored damage is unnecessary, critical hit damage does nothing at all for purg, and warp resst+cloud radius being dump stats is horrible

[blazing oak]

Actually just remove run n gun and add it to mind in motion

[fresh steeple]

just get a new purg

[dusk pilot]

I prefer having focused channelling on all my staves mostly because of convenience

[fresh steeple]

it's very, very bad convenience, I assure you

[summer prairie]

it's good

not really on surge though

[fresh steeple]

if you're getting hit by targets enough to stun you, you should just move instead

it's sorta okay on Purg to keep a channel going

[blazing oak]

I use it on my surge because surge sometimes doesn’t stun a guy right up close to me but I still need to stun the guys behind him and being staggered sucks

[fresh steeple]

the other three, no

[radiant lance]

Btw, if you agree with most of the feedback here, perhaps consider living a like to get more attention from FS.
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/underwhelming-psyker-feats/78439

[summer prairie]

it's fine on trauma too

[fresh steeple]

run crit+flurry

[blazing oak]

I wouldn’t need focused channeling if surge staff wasn’t a bit buggy

Does dodge sliding require sprinting?

[fresh steeple]

it's not that it provides no benefit ever. It's that it provides a demonstrably marginal benefit compared to other much stronger blessings, that only becomes useful alongside bad gameplay

[summer prairie]

not true

[hoary lagoon]

no

[fresh steeple]

I think you can bind it in some way to dodge-slide without sprinting

like putting dodge on the sprint button and jump elsewhere?

[blazing oak]

Also everyone says to rebind dodge off jump to do dodge sliding. Is this actually required

Or just makes spamming it easier

[hoary lagoon]

it's helpful if you dodge a lot so you don't jump unintentionally, yes

[blazing oak]

But it’s not required

I don’t have any more button space to put dodge in its own key on the steam deck

Except left stick click but that is not a good dodge button

[fresh steeple]

don't really think it's required, but it will require you to have substantially smoother personal inputs to be able to seamlessly toggle dodge+slide at the same time from different buttons

[hoary lagoon]

best control change i ever made was moving crouch to MB5 and off the keyboard

[fresh steeple]

it's much easier if you have both on one button

but you can in fact still do it with good timing

[north solstice]

I mean i play damnations and i dont use it so its not required but i also have no idea how it affects play

[blazing oak]

@radiant lance sprinting while brainbursting would let you charge a brainburst while running away from the beast of Nurgle attacking you

[fresh steeple]

it makes melee psyker movement safer and smoother. I don't use it either, though

[dusk pilot]

Couldn't I just bind jump to something else and primarily use space bar for dodge

[leaden thunder]

yes

[dusk pilot]

Since I rarely need jump

[leaden thunder]

that's what I did

dodge on space jump on alt

[blazing oak]

Me looking at all you pc people with more than 17 buttons for keybinds

[dusk pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/breen-neil-breen-botw-collapse-tired-gif-26262352

[summer prairie]

now consider dodge slide quelling

[blazing oak]

Did you know the default darktide keybinds puts sprint on left stick click?

[fresh steeple]

don't play a PC game on a modded Nintendo 3DS Holder

problem solved

[blazing oak]

No

[radiant lance]

I mean you could also dodge slide while charging a brainburst.

[blazing oak]

But I’m already a heretic as I use loner psyker so fleeing from battle is acceptable

[summer prairie]

you should be forward slide BBing stragglers when there's downtime

[near wyvern]

I always peek a corner with slide charging my trauma

You never know if there is a pack of rangers

[leaden thunder]

6 crushers

[near wyvern]

And the charge rate for trauma even at 80% is a tiny bit too slow to fully charge them if you don't pre cook it with sprint slide

[summer prairie]

though I once caught a DH a mile away when I was doing that

[near wyvern]

6 crushers is ez

I am more worried about 6 dreg autogunners

[leaden thunder]

fair

[near wyvern]

Or 6 scab riflemen

[leaden thunder]

6 crusher is more intimidating tho

[cyan notch]

pretty normal

[near wyvern]

With trauma nah cause I know they can't touch me

Ranged units on the other hand like to take me on the spot

[blazing oak]

Still had to rebind that crap as it was taxing to press that to sprint constantly

[north solstice]

Just run deflector

[summer prairie]

crushers are a non-threat in general unless maybe you are completely surrounded

[near wyvern]

I do but it is quite narrow, dodge sliding works more consistently than deflector tbh

[cyan notch]

really? what did u change it to? left click to sprint is pretty universal for fps shooters on controller

[leaden thunder]

crushers are generally a non threat but sometimes you get some dinguses that don't bring anything to deal wiht armor

[near wyvern]

When you get body blocked by trash and see that mutant coming for you

[north solstice]

Thats why God gave you BB

[leaden thunder]

it's mainly turning a corner and they are just right there

[north solstice]

Theyre like bears

Stand your ground and they wouldnt dare charge you

[blazing oak]

The joystick click buttons have the most spring resistance out of any of the buttons on the controller. Holding that down is just unnecessarily harder than it should be. I rebinded it to the back top left button

L4

[cyan notch]

you dont have to hold it down theres an option to click once to initiate sprint

[subtle linden]

please melky i need a blaze away IV to extract

[leaden thunder]

good luck with that

[blazing oak]

Eh it’s still more convenient to use l4 than press down hard on the stick

[fresh steeple]

?

[leaden thunder]

you'd be the only one to have it

[fresh steeple]

it's T3 only

[subtle linden]

oh is it?

[fresh steeple]

TYL

[subtle linden]

blaze away probably the best

ive heard of cavalacade

but dunno

[leaden thunder]

cavalcade is bad

thing a)crits enough as is with how it's crits work and b) crits aren't hat good

[near wyvern]

You will get it the day after they nerf that combo

[fresh steeple]

Sorry, I'm too Knife Zealot to accept such heresy

[near wyvern]

Crits work different with guns and melee

[subtle linden]

eh the moment they nerf shredder ill just go back to my trauma staff

[near wyvern]

And knife has crazy multipliers for weakspots and weakspot crits

Most guns get only a minor bonus damage on crits

[subtle linden]

or roll for a fun revolver

[near wyvern]

Dum revolver

Dump a mag on elite to kill it

And reload for the rest of the fight

[subtle linden]

just 4 fun

[near wyvern]

+3%

[blazing oak]

Play assassination so you can reload to the beat of disposal unit

[subtle linden]

one day

[ionic needle]

I'm thinking of going terrifying barrage or the one that restores toughness instead of blaze away on my shredder

[digital loom]

terrifying barrage on any staff but purg seems to work

its just that why tho

[ionic needle]

Feel like my build needs some extra survivability

[digital loom]

i can see its use on surge i guess

randomly killing some trash mob while you're spamming will trigger it

now that i think about it i can think of several situations where it would have helped me

if they ever let weapons have 3 blessings then i'll probably get it

[subtle linden]

suppression is a one way street in darktide

only players get suppressed

[digital loom]

ignorance

[blazing oak]

Dreg shooters recovering so fast from staggering that they immediately shoot before I can surge them again

Pain

[digital loom]

its shit like that that makes automatic weapons king in this game

[blazing oak]

If I could buff surge staff without increasing target number I’d make it so the stun lasted longer after the surge so you can quell more before surging again

[digital loom]

you can just brute force the shitty code with spam

[fresh steeple]

Inspiring Barrage?

[ionic needle]

Yes that one

[fresh steeple]

it's hot garbage on almost all weapons

[ionic needle]

Aww too bad

[leaden thunder]

it's not terrible on the auto pistol

[fresh steeple]

the "toughness regen" in question is just a modifier to coherency regen

[leaden thunder]

but it's not worth it

it activates coherency regen

[fresh steeple]

which is why I said almost. Autopistol is an example of where it's merely 'definitely still not that great'

[leaden thunder]

so if you take damage it stops

[ionic needle]

So blaze away and pinning fire are literally the only good ones?

[leaden thunder]

yes

[void mural]

That's about the state of blessings in general. 2ish good ones per weapon, and the rest are crap

[ionic needle]

Very boring

[void mural]

Yeah

[ionic needle]

Would be interesting to have some defensive options on shredder

[blazing oak]

Chainaxe gets 3

[fresh steeple]

the real reason they have the blessing lock: they'd need to come to terms with the fact that all players would always take two specific T4 blessings if locks weren't a thing

[blazing oak]

Common win for chaxe squad

[fresh steeple]

and therefore have to actually balance blessings

[void mural]

Would be interesting if we had actual choices!

[fresh steeple]

though some weapons do have three good blessings

in rare occasions, even four

very rare occasions

[void mural]

Nah, artificial time gate. Same reason for all the crafting RNG

[void mural]

Yeah, 2ish: 2 +-1

[fresh steeple]

I prefer my conspiracy to your consensus. Harrumph!

[void mural]

I will ruin all of your fun thoughts with logic!

[fresh steeple]

stupid thing with that consensus is that there are actually a lot of things to experiment with

[sick light]

They had a great crafting system ins VT2, just needed to copy paste it lol

[blazing oak]

Slaughterer head taker and thrust depending on preference

[fresh steeple]

even giving me almost immediate access to true BiS versions of a weapon would simply allow me to try new weapons

[void mural]

Wait... you wanted to actually experiment with the options we have?!

[fresh steeple]

instead of pigeonholing days or weeks of resource generation into a singular version of a singular weapon comp

it's not like it would make me play less. I'd play substantially more because of all of the new toys.

[leaden thunder]

I mean

[ionic needle]

Yeah I mean VT2 didn't have any of that AND it had the red weapons

[leaden thunder]

that is the consus for most people

[void mural]

That's fatshark in general. Finally get the game where it needs to be after 2 years of changes, then release a new game that's basically the vanilla of the previous game, but without all of the improvements they made over time.

[ionic needle]

I was done gearing after like 100 hours, still got 700 hours or so out of that game

[leaden thunder]

is that they'd play more if the locks where gone

I'd be 100% fine with it

but i'd also be fine with just being able to upgrade the locked blessing

oh and remove perk locks

becuase perks are boring as fuck

and can make or break some weapons

[cyan notch]

upgrading locked blessings aint good enough for me

what if they nuke your blessing

[void mural]

If they want locks, make it so locks are removed when you consecrate, so you can incrementally get the weapon you want as you upgrade it

[cyan notch]

shits bricked

[ionic needle]

I want to be able to use resources to upgrade the base stats

[leaden thunder]

I mean they also need something to like

prevent you from getting fucked

if they nerf the blessing

[fresh steeple]

the suggestion I sometimes see about Diamantine unlocking a blessing/perk is a nice one. Still gives Fatshark a grind component for artificial retention, but also makes upgrading a specific base more deterministic. You found a "good enough for now?" weapon. Roll on a good blessing and save your mats. You found a "this is the one" weapon? 8,000 diamantine to unlock the second perk/blessing, please.

[leaden thunder]

like if they significnatly change a blessing then unlock any weapon they has it

[fresh steeple]

I could definitely live with that

[leaden thunder]

at least temporarily

[cyan notch]

8k seems prohibitively expensive

[fresh steeple]

I threw out a random number

[cyan notch]

considering 1 damnation gives u 300 max

youd need like 30 perfect damnation runs lmao

[leaden thunder]

like how in warframe if they nerf a weapon or warframe then they give forma to people with forma on that weapon/warframe

[fresh steeple]

30 perfect damnation runs to make one weapon fully rerollable is not a bad trade to me. But again, I just threw out a random number.

[leaden thunder]

again ideally they just remove the locks

[fresh steeple]

yes, ideally

[cyan notch]

they wont

[leaden thunder]

they might tbh

[cyan notch]

cuz they hate fun

[fresh steeple]

but if they are obsessed with their artificial retention, that's a way to do it

[blazing oak]

Ideally they overhaul the system

[fresh steeple]

I think they actually will change it in a few months as a desperation gambit

[timber cairn]

how the F do you get the slaughter blessing? Been consecrating swords like crazy and can't find the fuckin thing

[void mural]

My thought is that they remove locks, and then plasteel could stay for upgrading a weapon and changing perks/blessings. They always start at t1 when you change them on a weapon.

Diamantine then could be used for upgrading the tier of the perk/blessing, and shifting the base stat bars of the item.

[blazing oak]

Are they actually or is this just a community thing that was speculated and spiraled from there

[fresh steeple]

truth be told, I defend game devs a lot more than a lot of people. But it's not remotely speculative to say that systems like the blessing lock are artificial retention protocols

[ionic needle]

The grind and focus on gear feels a lot more like a focus in this than VT2 at least

[cyan notch]

idk they said they were exploring some options which doesnt seem like its gonna be a removal entirely

[blazing oak]

ignores l4d
ignores DRG
ignores VT2

Looter shooter coop game

[fresh steeple]

it's bog standard gacha development tactics to lock highest power levels behind a combination of RNG that is half-deterministic, half-"get fucked"

and if it's true that their lock system was a player retention tactic, they could maintain it by providing unlocks for mat exchanges, because that would still be a retention tactic. Just a less "get-fucked" version

[void mural]

It's quite obvious that a lot of game systems in darktide are built around player retention, and the cash shop.

The reason why the player hub got changed to a shitty thing that requires a server login is so that they can have players with cosmetics mingling with everyone and showing off the shiny purchasables. It's also why the hub is in third person, so you can see your crappy free gear directly compared to the shiny whale's cosmetics right next to you.

The entire crafting system is built around RNG that you have have to keep rolling the slot machine endlessly, trying to get the thing you want, so potentially endless player retention. That's not how it works in practice, but it's the system in place behind why it's so shitty.

[blazing oak]

I think they should overhaul the system and make each weapon where you play with it and unlock more power for it

Like DRG

[digital loom]

makes me laugh when a game that will shut down one day and deny everyone access to their save data or ability to play the game that they thought they bought, is concerned with player retention and stretching play hours. any way you look at it, it's predatory

"we want you to spend all of your time and money on our game but one day we will take a huge gigantic shit on your sense of investment and sense of security on that investment by just packing up and leaving"

[void mural]

That's the point. The people at the top making decisions don't actually care about the players. The player retention is introduced to keep players on the hook so that they have longer to be tempted by the cash shop

It's the problem with big gaming companies currently. You get business people running things at the top, not devs who want to make a good game

[digital loom]

you know when you think about it, the only difference between a perma ban and the game shutting down is time difference but you lose everything either way. In the end everyone gets perma banned, they just don't realize it yet

so why give a shit about your time investment at all

play to have fun or dont play

[void mural]

I really wish that more companies could decide to make "enough profit" instead of "all of the money, damn the consequences!"

[digital loom]

you dont get rich by having morals or a conscience'

the only way they get along with everybody else is if you give them a common identity with everybody else

or else they just shit in everybody's yard

one of the negative effects of stock market especially, perhaps not in this case because idk about fs

you've got foreign investors shitting in every single country on the planet through the stock market

globalism indeed

[blazing oak]

What’s that stuff called that makes it so if steam shuts down all our single player games go poof? Digital rights protection or something

[digital loom]

probably yeh

[subtle linden]

drm

digital rights media

[autumn smelt]

i feel like an avenue they could take is making you lock a single perk or blessing, which will enable the other 3 to be able to be changed

dropping the total number of locks on a weapon from 2 to 1

say you get a banger roll on a weapon and you upgrade it to max

and you got 25% flak but the other perk was block efficiency and both blessings were absolute shit

you could lock that flak, allowing that block efficiency to be changed, as well as both blessings

allowing for RNG still, but not quite the level we have now

cuz its a lot more common to get at least 1 thing we want rolled on a weapon, as opposed to 1 perk and 1 blessing we want

[ionic needle]

Yeah, getting good stats and at least one good thing is pretty common

[autumn smelt]

something i can see them doing is more than doubling the cost of replacing perks and blessings

[long wharf]

the whole locking concept is stupid for Darktide

[autumn smelt]

if they do go that path

[long wharf]

Darktide isn't fundamentally a looter

[autumn smelt]

i wouldnt be too peeved about it

[long wharf]

nobody is playing Darktide to "collect them all"

[autumn smelt]

because id be trading gambling for an mostly ensured way to get what i want

[long wharf]

and trying to reinforce that style of gameplay just turns away the kind of people that would otherwise play Darktide for the long haul

[olive ember]

I hate the locking concept

[long wharf]

anybody with any sanity does

[olive ember]

Fk I forgot to farm for Arknights

[bitter escarp]

Does anyone remember if reds were released well after the main game in VT2?

[long wharf]

"well" = years

[bitter escarp]

Yeah, I expect that last 20% of the stat bar will be some time coming

Fucking contrarian dingleberries on reddit going "but akchually I love the taste of boot polish"

[long wharf]

some people love dick, there's nothing wrong with that

[bitter escarp]

Not that many granted, but enough

[summer prairie]

V2 reds were in the game on release

[long wharf]

but there's not enough of them to support a game