psyker-class

[olive ember]

Bowling ball staff is best way to describe it

[past parrot]

I had a situation on Hi5 Shock Troops where the elevator doors opened to 4 Bulwarks, Gunners behind them, a horde, and 4 bursters coming in single file behind them. Surge staff might’ve been the only thing that could’ve saved us there or a Zealot Flamer

[stone pulsar]

ah

[near wyvern]

So this is why people get top damage on shredder? They just hamster all the ammo

[viral solstice]

hamsters dont get high damage they put ammo in cheeks

for later

very sensible

[unreal dust]

Voidstrike, if you will imagine, is a line-nuke. Imagine a rocket launcher that penetrates and detonates with every target it hits. The bigger the ball... the bigger the booms... and the more penetration you get out of it. It will diminish as it plows through more and more meat though

[stone pulsar]

mk D recon lasgun with infernus

[stone pulsar]

ah alright.

[olive ember]

Rail gun

More than rocket launcher

[spice veldt]

Voidstrike has 2 cleave uncharged and 6 cleave charged

[near wyvern]

Illisi be like

[olive ember]

The blast radius on the thing is kinda

Mid

[stone pulsar]

recon needs 20% more damage and ammo =.=

[unreal dust]

Railguns don't explode (unless you use submunition round... and are playing Tau to have access to one in the first place)

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-dog-sword-gif-18413981

[viral solstice]

[olive ember]

Needs more than that

[olive ember]

This is why you always bring a secondary smh

[spice veldt]

gun

[olive ember]

Darktide why we have no secondary guns

Smh

[stone pulsar]

sidearm slot like L4D?

[unreal dust]

Because we are rejects, not heroes

[near wyvern]

Deimos when there is 5 crushers 3 Bulwakrs, 2 flamers, 2 bombers and a horde incoming and the team is pushing forward

[olive ember]

Actually at lvl 30 we are part of the inquisition

Also the whole reject thing felt like half baked throw in at the last minute to explain why there’s only 4 of us

[stone pulsar]

i want the zealot to have a double barrel sidearm boomstick

[olive ember]

It’s like

We don’t feel like expendables

[near wyvern]

I saw a veteran hit top damage without contest using the fire shotgun

[stone pulsar]

wait thats just the kickback with extra steps.

[olive ember]

Literally slaughtering our way to objective and the holding it and then escaping while fighting everything from plague ogryns to beasts of nurgle

[unreal dust]

Going to back to the Deimos... I have learned the error of my ways. I really, really should not be charge attacking with it except against Crushers.

[stone pulsar]

survival of the fittest i guess. they throw thousands of rejects to the grinder and the 2-4% that survive will become badasses.

[near wyvern]

This is the way. You can access the 2nd heavy by:

• light heavy (repeatable)
• push heavy
• push attack heavy

Against Ragers just wait for them to walk at your face, light + dodge back and heavy their head

[lethal folio]

I keep getting confused which heavy I'm on since both of them use a similar arm back animation for the wind-up.

[near wyvern]

It's slightly different, the first heavy lifts the hilt up

[unreal dust]

Gotta clap those hands (you literally, and audibly clap the blade) on the stab heavy Nevermind. It claps on both xD

[deft trench]

are there any "S-Tier" blessings to have on a trauma?

[unreal dust]

Probably reduced channel time

[spice veldt]

staffs don't really have s tier blessings in general, but I'd slap flurry on as the bare minimum

[unreal dust]

For Purgatus, You want that crit tho...

Let's you apply stacks faster and harder

[spice veldt]

not really s tier like slaughterer on force swords

or power cycler

[unreal dust]

Which is power cycler?

[spice veldt]

its the power sword blessing that gives you 5 swings instead of 2 iirc

[unreal dust]

Oh, thought maybe there was some fancy staff blessing I didn't know of. I still think Warp Nexus is mandatory on Purgatus. For the same reason you take Slaughterer

[spice veldt]

I could see myself giving up warp nexus for flurry + focused

[unreal dust]

The one that prevents channel interruption?

[spice veldt]

ye

for shooters

or bomber nades if you're particularly savvy

[near wyvern]

BiS blessings IMO:

• Flurry Peril Void
• Flurry Shockwave Trauma
• Flurry Nexus Purge
• Furry Channeling Surge

Good runner ups:

• Nexus Spirit Trauma
• Flurry Nexus Surge

[unreal dust]

I don't feel like Warp Flurry is super critical on Purgatus. You already get enough knockback on a quick-channel to juggle a horde

Also yes, Surge on Voidstrike is definitely S-tier

[cyan notch]

channeling your inner furry

[spice veldt]

I'm impatient so I don't like to wait for casting

[near wyvern]

Lmao

[spice veldt]

damn is that the buff that surge needs

[unreal dust]

I would absolutely play as a citizen of Carlos McConnell

[near wyvern]

Just noticed but will leave it in because surge users are furries

[spice veldt]

where's mah flurry focused trauma

[near wyvern]

You don't need focused for trauma

[spice veldt]

but it helps you be more aggressive against shooters

[near wyvern]

Since the quell change it's piss easy to perma stagger everything around you

[spice veldt]

since you can reliably stun them and upkeep warp flurry

without worry of getting staggered out of your cast

[near wyvern]

Shockwave is BiS because you can squeeze some value out of that lasgun vet who keeps shooting the crusher

[still hearth]

Truth

[spice veldt]

sure, but there was the runner up section

[still hearth]

[spice veldt]

i won't say that focused channeling Is the best choice, but it's good on the trauma

[olive ember]

Focused on surge aint that great tbh

Nexus is better

[unreal dust]

Also I think there's a fair argument to be made for Terrifying Barrage on Purgatus.

[still hearth]

Even Nexus is kinda pitiful

[near wyvern]

The flames already supress without a kill

[still hearth]

It's like a 20% damage increase 20% of the time

Terrifying is really trash

[unreal dust]

I like to suppress things that are creeping up behind me too

[near wyvern]

Positioning problem

[still hearth]

Flames do that too

[unreal dust]

The game is good about finding inventive ways to forcibly change your position

[near wyvern]

Nah it just always spawns shit in the back and no one deals with it

[cyan notch]

the aoe suppress behind you is nice

[unreal dust]

"I'll flush'em out!" on damnation gauntlets

[cyan notch]

i can see utility in taking barrage even though i personally wouldnt use it

[near wyvern]

Scoreboard should have a stat for flankers killed

[olive ember]

You mean you don’t 180 when’re you are charging you staff

[still hearth]

Isn't terrifying based on the enemy dying position

[olive ember]

It’s based on player

[unreal dust]

I do plenty. You don't survive without getting at least a basic spidey sense

[still hearth]

That's so much worse

[olive ember]

8m circle around player iirc

[still hearth]

Ouf

[near wyvern]

Isn't it 8m at T4?

[spice veldt]

8 yeah

[unreal dust]

I also find its a little more consistent getting Ragers to peel off me

[near wyvern]

Should measure what close range is

[still hearth]

Ragers shouldn't be suppressed? Idk tho

[unreal dust]

That's not a bad idea... now that we can see the buffs

[near wyvern]

I have a shredder I could measure it with

[still hearth]

15m

[olive ember]

It’s measured idr how much tho

[still hearth]

Is close range iirc

[leaden thunder]

8 meters of suppression 15 meter trigger range

[near wyvern]

Right

Seems about right based on my experience with my shredder

[olive ember]

I mean purge range is 16 so

[near wyvern]

So you can already supress in 16m radius

Derp

[olive ember]

Well purge suppression is pretty shit isn’t it

[near wyvern]

RMB maybe, LMB is good

[still hearth]

I think it's pretty good

[near wyvern]

Quell cancel puff that room

[olive ember]

I wouldn’t take it now that flurry works tho

[viral solstice]

except what kind of a low damage cringelord is using a staff its 2023 get ur recon las blastin

[olive ember]

Just that it was BiS before this patch

[near wyvern]

Recon gun is the best because then you actually use your monster IFS due to how bad your gun is

[unreal dust]

"Close range" appears to be 12-13m ish?

[viral solstice]

15

[unreal dust]

Odd.
Testing method. Shoving a scab against the meat grinder wall and using RMB to kill it isn't proccing the buff at 14m, let alone 15

And yes, I'm using ping to mark distance and ensuring no knockback outside my range is occuring

Must be some weird interaction with the Purgatus Cloud radius?

[viral solstice]

99% of the time it should just be checking that

with a proc function

[unreal dust]

How very strange... must be a bug with the Purgatus staff

[karmic apex]

what do I roll for perk? :3

[leaden thunder]

i've been considering trying to get all health and toughness as perks on my curios(apart from toughness regen which I personally can't live without)

is this a bad idea

[spice veldt]

+maniac or +flak would be my options

[leaden thunder]

I feel like I don't take enough damage from gunners to be worth it

and I feel like i don't get fucked by snipers often enough to make that worth it

[karmic apex]

Mhm I was thinking flak...

[lethal folio]

Terrifying barrage doesn't actually use 'close range'

it is a scaling area based on the blessing level.

[leaden thunder]

for the proc? or suppression area

[unreal dust]

The "Proc" range is based on blessing level?

[spice veldt]

i take toughness perks on my curios, though I don't particularly care about health perks

[twilit veldt]

people are so fucking dumb holy fuck

[spice veldt]

I agree, people are dumb

[lethal folio]

ignore that I read wrong.

[olive ember]

I am very dumb

[leaden thunder]

I am dumb for somethings

[twilit veldt]

i joined a run, all 3 people are dead and miniboss active, killed the ogryn, got to them, picked them up, we continued, later on one guy dies but 3 of us are still alive, one dude goes to the guy so i thought hed pick him up, turns out no. I went to pick them up, both of the other guys died, i got gunned down while picking the other guy up

[spice veldt]

i killed 3 men

[twilit veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-gif-21350747

[olive ember]

Yeah some games be like that

[topaz sable]

damnation high-intensity shock troops is insane

[unreal dust]

Yes it is.

[topaz sable]

had a purg staff and most of the time I was just using Kinetic Barrage and BBing things

[olive ember]

Run surge staff

Make them specials dance

10/10

[topaz sable]

feel like I'd still end up just BBing things lol

[past parrot]

8 crushers at once is no joke

[unreal dust]

FS Shove is your friend. Knockdown is amazing

[topaz sable]

at least with 6 wc and WU I was 1-shotting flamers and bursters rapidly

[past parrot]

Does it stagger Ogryns? :0

[topaz sable]

yeah the shove does

[unreal dust]

I did say "Knockdown" did I not? Its not a stagger. It puts them on ass.

[past parrot]

Sheesh

[past parrot]

FS keeps getting better the more I learn

It’s like Heavy Sword with utility

[unreal dust]

The FS was a swiss army knife of awesome before. The variants are pretty slick in their own right

[past parrot]

Illis makes my pea brain happy

no fancy combo

just click heads

[unreal dust]

Apparently Illis does bonus charge damage to unyielding.

[past parrot]

Yeah, I’m tempted to build Unyielding on mine now…

[olive ember]

I’d say still run flak and maniac

[past parrot]

I just need Slaughterer and hopefully I’ll one shot Ragers

[unreal dust]

I am curious though. Is there anything the default FS does better than the Deimos or Illis?

[spice veldt]

the normal combos are less clunky

[unreal dust]

It does. Just heavy stab the face

[spice veldt]

that's about it though

[past parrot]

Illis that is

[unreal dust]

ah

[past parrot]

My charged heavy doesn’t 1 tap Rager heads yet

[unreal dust]

I do wish the Deimos charge did more carapace damage though...

[cyan notch]

wat

[unreal dust]

It only does about 1k or so baseline on a heavy, charge attack. I wish it were higher for speed-clearing Crushers

Though one could argue that its uncharged heavy stab already does pretty significant damage to carapace...

[umbral jetty]

i just stab stab crushers if I can get their noggins

[karmic apex]

what's a good surge staff look like? blessings?

[unreal dust]

#psyker-class message

[karmic apex]

thx, what about stat allocation? is dmg important?

[unreal dust]

Damage is probably less important compared to other staffs. Peril Resistance is likely a higher priority here

[rigid sky]

I get that the Deimos is awesome because you don't have to rely on the charged strikes, but I miss them mattering with the Obscurus

I still use 'em anyway because fuck you I'm a wizard

[unreal dust]

I feel this

[rigid sky]

I feel like it's a duelling sword trapped in a force sword's body

but that's fine because access to deflector goes brrrrr

[unreal dust]

It definitely has a close attack speed

[rigid sky]

and free deflector for now goes brrrrr brrrrr

I haven't actually tried a duelling sword to be fair but Deimos feels like what I'd imagine it'd be like lol

[gilded viper]

It feel like better dueling sword tbh

[near wyvern]

With Deimos you can just keep your distance and stab from a really long range

[lethal folio]

Dueling sword with double the damage and unlimited dodges.

[late yew]

Can staves cause suppression?

[near wyvern]

They all have

[lethal folio]

Yes, force bolts cause a lot of suppresion.

[near wyvern]

LMB is strong stagger & supress with all

[sharp obsidian]

Whats the consensus on Cerebral Lacerations? Is it worth running over Psykinetics aura in order to hit 2bb breakpoint on crushers and reapers?

[umbral jetty]

it can be fun.

[late yew]

What is opinions on aoe force sword vs single target sword?

Are they both good, or 1 clearly superior?

[ember hornet]

illisi is giga broken tier

[late yew]

which one is that

[sharp obsidian]

both are really good

Deimos is just a better obscurus

[umbral jetty]

the aoe one. Illisi is probably over tuned, but the deimos feels great

[late yew]

Deimos is single target?

[umbral jetty]

I feel like I didn't have an issue with the things the illisi solves.

[late yew]

Why aoe one overtuned?

[ember hornet]

illisi solves everything

[late yew]

How to use properly?

BEcause of isntant special attacks?

[umbral jetty]

because of slaughterer

[late yew]

how it affects it?

[ember hornet]

#psyker-class message

[spice veldt]

the special doesn't lock you in place

[still hearth]

Literally everything on Illisi is dumb

Damage

Too high

Cleave

Too high

Penetration

You get the idea

[near wyvern]

It used to be good for break points but now that WU is a thing it's not mandatory. Pick if you want for monstrosities. You can see all break points in the Atheneum (pinned message)

[late yew]

thanks

[ember hornet]

illisi one shots almost everything

[twilit veldt]

deimos is pog

[near wyvern]

Because it's a weapon where no matter what's in front of you, you just slap it and it dies

[ember hornet]

crushers are a few hits, reapers are 2, you can 1 shot bulwarks technically, almost 1 shots muties

and the normals are absolutely bonkers too

[umbral jetty]

It should be nerfed probably. its out of alignment with the rest of the options. but its also a pve game so I don't care

[fiery atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUJnVK9F78&ab_channel=bchenN

[still hearth]

Its still

[fiery atlas]

so is this still possible

[still hearth]

Worse than Power Sword

[olive ember]

Have you seen the powersword

[still hearth]

[ember hornet]

I'm using it out of spite for hammer nerf until I get a 2h weapon on my zealot

[still hearth]

Not by much tbf

But if they nerf Illisi

I'll be very bothered

[umbral jetty]

power sword doesnt have infinite dodges and an awesome push

[still hearth]

So?

[umbral jetty]

and if a vet is using power sword they arent killing the shooters

[fiery atlas]

pls no nerf illisi

[still hearth]

Those aren't necessary when I press H1 repeatedly

[fiery atlas]

[ember hornet]

yeah I can play 100% melee only psyker with this weapon

[still hearth]

And hit 29 empowered cleave hits

[spice veldt]

oh no they're not killing shooters but they're killing everything else

[olive ember]

Bold of you to assume the 2h powersword and chain axe is going towards zealot

[spice veldt]

what is this fixation on roles

[umbral jetty]

but the everything else isnt going to wipe the party

[fiery atlas]

illisi makes gunker more viable

[twilit veldt]

btw do people use more the toughness on warp charge or toughness on warp attack death?

[ember hornet]

evis and hammer would like a word

[spice veldt]

why do vets have to be the one to kill shooters?

[still hearth]

Its okay because Vetshould have OP melees

[umbral jetty]

because their entire kit lets them do it fastest and most efficient?

[fiery atlas]

eviscerator should be BUFFED

[still hearth]

That makes sense

[twilit veldt]

im sticking with warpcharge for now but im interested in whats better for toughness

[olive ember]

I haven’t seen a Reddit post talking about how underpowered it is so

[spice veldt]

and they also have a melee weapon that allows them to clear melee enemies quickly

[leaden thunder]

quitude

[olive ember]

The eviscerator ain’t getting buffed kek

[leaden thunder]

after the buffs

[spice veldt]

and players can do whatever the fuck they want

[leaden thunder]

it's just better then the other ones

imo

[fiery atlas]

true

[umbral jetty]

I mean. Power sword without special is trash. should do the same with illisi probably

[fiery atlas]

it's time to main illisi gunker

[leaden thunder]

you say that

[main comet]

ppl still thing ps is too strong ? force sword is so much better

[ember hornet]

better than a claw

[leaden thunder]

yeah

[still hearth]

Wut

[leaden thunder]

[still hearth]

Power Sword without special is still good

[spice veldt]

slaughterer blessing

[lunar hollow]

T4 slaughterer would like a word

[fiery atlas]

have yet to get a slaughterer wep

[umbral jetty]

you guys are ascribing poor balance around blessings to weapon balance..

[twilit veldt]

i tried it when i started psyker, and while it was really nice, i found it that in situations where i need toughness i dont have the time to vent

[ember hornet]

simply equip this and win game

[spice veldt]

are you saying that blessings aren't a part of weapons?

[leaden thunder]

you don't have to vent for it

[fiery atlas]

yeah it's

[ember hornet]

quell kinda insane now which is why it's so good

[fiery atlas]

op

[still hearth]

Compare a Gray Psword to a Gray anything else and its still considerably better.

[twilit veldt]

ill give it a try then

[summer prairie]

you get a new appreciation for BB when playing hi/shock troops

[twilit veldt]

thanks

[fiery atlas]

yeah I'm only going to play illisi gunker because I'm tired of purgatus spam

[umbral jetty]

a grey psword without special is way worse than most grey weapons... thats what I'm saying, the special is the part that makes it nice. the illisi is better than most psyker melees without special

[leaden thunder]

it's not tho

[spice veldt]

damn true horizontals are useless

[clear heath]

without the special, power sword is just sword

[twilit veldt]

for now ive been using this and its pretty neato, with purge staff alone i tend to be able to keep my void charges up for like 85% of the entire mission

tho ill try out the quell

[spice veldt]

"if we ignore what makes a weapon good, then the weapon is bad"

what a compelling argument

[ember hornet]

the power sword without special is legitimately better that many other weapons

just like illisi

[umbral jetty]

The argument is that the illisi is overtuned and should be nerfed in the areas that aren't its focus

[spice veldt]

i agree with that

[thick hazel]

someone know if crit on the purg. staff does 2 stacks of warp fire

[fiery atlas]

i disagree

[thick hazel]

?

[spice veldt]

but you shouldn't make stupid statements like before

[leaden thunder]

it do

[olive ember]

We just got psyker buffs and I’d rather not get psyker nerfs

[surreal eagle]

I put bloodthirsty and soul blaze on crit, the soul blaze blessing feels so useless....

[fiery atlas]

illisi makes a powerful contender for non-purg builds at higher levels of play

[olive ember]

Idrc if a weapon is overtuned when the vet has had the psword and the vet the flamer

and the ogryn the bull butcher

[clear heath]

I actually think Illisi special should be nerfed cause it encroaches too much on what the other force swords are meant for

[umbral jetty]

I don't see the psword as being as good as people like to claim it is. but it could just be its such an unfun and uninspired moveset that it just puts me to sleep

[sharp obsidian]

Psyker was undertuned for so long, just let him have something good for a bit atleast

[fiery atlas]

no

illisi special is for horde clear

deimos/obscurus is high single target

[ember hornet]

I care about overtuned weapons when they make stupid changes like removing hammer cancel and making everyone else have better weapons now

[clear heath]

yeah see the problem is illisi special is actually good at single target as well

[twilit veldt]

press special, do two power attacks, press special, do two power attacks, press special...

[clear heath]

it shouldn't be good at both

[fiery atlas]

i fail to see the problem

[umbral jetty]

I'd just make the illisi special do less damage to elites and specials.

congrats, you can clear trash.

[sharp obsidian]

If you nerf illisi armor damage it just becomes a claw

[fiery atlas]

@spice veldt anyways stub revolver gunker is not fun

[olive ember]

This is why we can’t have nice things

[fiery atlas]

lasgun is kinda fun

[olive ember]

People immediately ask for nerfs smh

[surreal eagle]

Special helps keep your peril up. I like to take extra damage on high peril with it, and try to stay at 100. When you get that and slaughter going it cuts real nice

[olive ember]

People cried about how psyker was OP in the CBT too

And look what trash we got at launch

[fiery atlas]

the problem isn't that it clears trash well

you can clear trash well w/ obscurus

[twilit veldt]

but why tf would you nerf it lmao??? we can already purge trash with our staff, literally purgatus and voidstrike can do that, illisi being good for both trash and elites is nice

[umbral jetty]

the problem is that it clears everything

so make it so it cant

[olive ember]

So yeah im not in favor of nerfs after looking at fatshark

[fiery atlas]

yes, that's what the purpose of horde clear is

it can kill mixed hordes well

[olive ember]

Also both vet and zealot can do that fine

[fiery atlas]

which is fine

[olive ember]

Idk why people want something to be nerfed just cuz we finally have something that isn’t fucking dogshit

[clear heath]

why would anyone use obscurus when illisi special can deal with single targets as well?

[spice veldt]

you talk like the obscurus pre-patch was dogshit

[olive ember]

Our best horde clear was the fucking antax ffs pre patch

[fiery atlas]

which it wasn't

[olive ember]

It is for the point I’m making 🙂

[fiery atlas]

it depends on what you wanna do

[gilded viper]

isn't obscurus speical have higher damage?

[timber bolt]

Does anyone have good build for v ilisi. Need help with feats

[fiery atlas]

do you want better horde clear overall or do you want to delete minibosses

[twilit veldt]

zealot has eviscerator which fucks and flamer which is giga stupid in the amount of damage it can dish out, vet has power sword and bolter, two broken dumb weapons that are fun to use, ogryn has... muscles.

[clear heath]

just use illisi and do both

[fiery atlas]

it's fine if a wep does ok damage to minibosses

besides

deimos is pretty fun

[leaden thunder]

the uh

[summer prairie]

ogryn does a ton of damage with some weapons

[leaden thunder]

evis isn't a good coumparison

[olive ember]

Idk for the past who knows how long we’ve had to sit there and watch vet pswords and counterfire brauto BS and zealot flamers

And we finally get something S tier

[summer prairie]

had an ogryn do 600k in hi/shock

[olive ember]

And suddenly people want it nerfed

[gilded viper]

heavy sword would be better but it kinda suck vs elites

[olive ember]

Like fk me I guess we can’t have nice things

[fiery atlas]

mmmm gimme evis buffs mmmnmrrrghnnnn

[umbral jetty]

1 weapon shouldnt be better than literally every other weapon the class can bring

[twilit veldt]

ogryn has ripper gun mk2 and the new heavy twin links, but personally i found every single fuckin melee hes got apart from shield pure dogshit

[spice veldt]

i mean, when it makes the game ridiculously easy

[umbral jetty]

at every single metric

[gilded viper]

they want it nerf cause their class don't have it

[clear heath]

i never asked for something s tier

[twilit veldt]

shield saves lives

and pub games

[olive ember]

Then buff the other weapons /shrug

[umbral jetty]

Loadouts should be a choice of specialization

[spice veldt]

nerf illisi and powersword more in line with other melees

[fiery atlas]

also what's wrong with a weapon being overtuned by just a little

this isn't a pvp game

[umbral jetty]

it spoils the game for the other 3 players if nothing else

[spice veldt]

if a weapon is particularly strong, then tinker with that weapon instead of messing with other weapons

[fiery atlas]

illisi is nowhere near flamer

[spice veldt]

nerf flamer and purg as well

[fiery atlas]

anyone who argues otherwise has never played w/ a zealot flamer

[spice veldt]

also, why are you comparing melee weapons and ranged weapons

[olive ember]

Nerfs in a pve game are beyond dumb unless they are legit broken

[twilit veldt]

this reminds me, when i saw the last update drop, there were people in the forums crying that the new weapons and blessings are breaking the game making damnation too easy

[lunar hollow]

why tf would you nerf purg

[gilded viper]

while we nerfing everything can we also just nerf med station.........ty for tuning into my ted talk

[clear heath]

pointing out other things that need to be nerfed doesn't mean this doesn't need to be nerfed

[fiery atlas]

in terms of horde clear

and how busted that shit is

[olive ember]

Damnation prob isn’t final difficulty anyways

[umbral jetty]

I am not comparing melee with ranged. you guys are the cope-police trying to look at other classes and ranged weapons

[olive ember]

It’s like legend from VT

[spice veldt]

ok, the flamer is op so we should allow a particular melee to be much stronger than other melee weapons

[umbral jetty]

Illisi is over tuned and should be brought into line with the original vision of the weapon

[spice veldt]

great argument

[summer prairie]

hi/shock troops right now is harder than any non-modded content in V2

[twilit veldt]

given my experience with pub games where heresy is already melting majority of people i feel like damnation is not exactly as easy as it seems

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clear heath]

i think all the broken shit should be nerfed
saying flamer should be nerfed isn't mutually exclusive to saying illisi needs to be nerfed
flamer is just more of the problem

[olive ember]

Can’t have shit on psyker I guess

[fiery atlas]

i'd prefer if all weapons should be a little overtuned if it means they can perform well

[spice veldt]

oh no we got a warp unleashed buff and quelling buff and a bootleg power sword

[twilit veldt]

compared to cata from VT2 idk, i find the difficulty even with strong weapon choices in Darktide to be completely fine

[lunar hollow]

this discord has a lot of people who already have a shit ton of hours and what feels like a hard challenge for the majority of the playerbase is pretty easy for them

[spice veldt]

but oh no they'll touch on the bootleg power sword a little bit

[olive ember]

No one complained about the bull butcher cleaver on ogryn

[spice veldt]

guess we can't have shit even though we got other buffs

[umbral jetty]

I mean, why not take hte power sword and nerf it, take the flamer and nerf it, and take the illisi and nerf it

[olive ember]

They even whined until the maniac damage got reverted

[twilit veldt]

the game will find enough ways to fuck you over with 17 mutants spawning at once

[clear heath]

psyker would still be good in this state even if illisi was nerfed

it could be nerfed and still be a good weapon

[olive ember]

Idrc balance changes are half optics

[spice veldt]

wow I wonder why people don't complain about the bull butcher

it's almost like it actually has a reasonable cleave distribution

[olive ember]

If they gave us undertuned garbage and buffed it

[olive ember]

But needing something that’s overtuned is bad optics and just feels shit

Especially with the current crafting system

[gilded viper]

tbh the only way it can get nerf if they finally go around nerfing slaughter but that would be super cringe move on FS if they do that

[spice veldt]

so your only reason is "bad optics" and not for actual balance reasons?

[olive ember]

I already feel shit enough that the obscurus I have is just mid now cuz deimos exists

[olive ember]

It isn’t even that broken tho

It really isn’t

[fiery atlas]

obscurus has its moments

[olive ember]

We get a side grade powersword

[spice veldt]

it's not that broken

[fiery atlas]

wait didn't meant to respond to that

[spice veldt]

but it's definitively stronger than the other melee weapons

[fiery atlas]

here's the meme I predict

[twilit veldt]

so?

[olive ember]

Then buff the other weapons up to be in line

[spice veldt]

why does something have to be "broken" to be nerfed?

[fiery atlas]

powersword will be touched before illisi IF enough complaints go through

[gilded viper]

talking about obscurus, does obs speical do the same amount of damage as deimos?

[umbral jetty]

the game is easy enough as it is without needing to buff everything when 1 options is out of line

[olive ember]

Because nerfing something in a pve game just makes people who use those weapons feel like shit

[spice veldt]

it's easier to balance a single weapon than to balance multiple weapons

[fiery atlas]

deimos does a little more

i think

[olive ember]

It’s literally optics

[spice veldt]

so optics and not for valid balance reasons

got it

[clear heath]

fuck optics
just balance the game

[olive ember]

Idk why you need to nerf something that’s not broken

[spice veldt]

again with the "broken"\

are you going to repeat broken and broken over and over again?

[fiery atlas]

i'll call the game balanced when enemy ranged dmg is nerfed enough

[olive ember]

Maybe we should nerf the voidstrike while we are at it

Why can that staff fire infinitely

Overtuned

[spice veldt]

great strawman

[olive ember]

Pls nerf

[fiery atlas]

anyways i don't think illisi should be touched, makes non-purg horde clear viable

[spice veldt]

no one said anything about the voidstrike

[olive ember]

Literally nerf every staff until they are the surge staff

[twilit veldt]

what a weird argument to have to be honest, "a weapon is stronger than the other weapons in the roster for psyker, lets nerf it instead of making the other ones more viable". plus i agree, illisi very much feels like a sidegrade power sword, except it runs on "heat" mechanic while power sword doesnt and it gives you one a single swing before it has to be recharged. I dont see why it being strong should be an issue

[spice veldt]

what kind of nerfs do you think I'm even talking about?

i'm not talking about nerfing it into the ground

[twilit veldt]

if you want to make the game harder for you you can just not use it

[spice veldt]

small number tweaks here and there

[olive ember]

This is fatshark

Small numbers tweaks is not their thing

[spice veldt]

hit or miss

[olive ember]

Calling nerfs is a good way of killing off the weapon

[spice veldt]

they did small number tweaks to the force swords with the recent patch

[twilit veldt]

it doesnt matter what youre talking about, youre not gonna be the one making the nerfs. FS will hear that "A WEAPON IS TOO STRONK, PLS NERF" and they will go overboard like fucking always

[umbral jetty]

build diversity is healthy for the game. having 1 option be the best option for every scenario is bad

[olive ember]

It rly isn’t tho people run the deimos and obscurus

[gilded viper]

but the other weapons ain't bad tho on psyker?

[twilit veldt]

their balance patches are literally "nothing has changed" or "its dead now" (or "holy fuck this is broken")

[summer prairie]

the knife is still very good

[olive ember]

People are just hyping up the illi cuz we finally have a fucking horde clear that isn’t the antax

[fiery atlas]

illisi will probably never be touched considering fatshark has a history of not touching op weapons in vt2 (rapier, snd)

[spice veldt]

antax wasn't our only pre-patch melee hordeclear

[olive ember]

We finally have another class with a powersword side grade

[gilded viper]

if we want to talk about bad weapons it really is only the catachan wepaons tbh and maybe duelling sword since deimos power creep it

[olive ember]

What the dueling sword was horde clear?

[spice veldt]

if you thought that the prepatch OBS was bad pre-patch, then that's a you problem

[fiery atlas]

idk what to call dueling sword

[umbral jetty]

maybe psyker shouldnt have fantastic horde clear? because of class identity

[fiery atlas]

"horde clear" seems to be pushing it

[spice veldt]

when did I mention the duelling swords?

[olive ember]

A class shouldn’t have horde clear in a horde shooter

[gilded viper]

🤢

[olive ember]

Now I’ve heard it all

[umbral jetty]

or if you want it to handle trash well, maybe that same weapon shouldnt also 2 shot reapers

[olive ember]

This is some bs that happens with specific and deliberate play of maintaining max slaughterer stacks + max peril + max warp charges

[umbral jetty]

which is not hard to do at all

there is no expression of skill

[olive ember]

People clip it cuz “ooh look what I can do after jumping through 10 hoops” and then then people like you extrapolate like you do it all the time

[twilit veldt]

"class identity" the class identity went out of the question the moment they made vet have both elite snipe guns and horde clear melee, or zealot have flamer

[spice veldt]

t4 slaughterer illisi heavy-special cleave distribution

[umbral jetty]

I mean, if i were in charge I already stated both of those 2 things would be gutted

[olive ember]

You are telling me you sprint up to the bulwark and you are able to keep slaughterer stacks + warp charges + peril in an actual game

[spice veldt]

t4 decimator antax light cleave distribution

[olive ember]

While getting shot to shit

[umbral jetty]

I'd give the power sword a charge mechanic like the plasma gun and tell em to eat shit

[olive ember]

For the funny two shot

[gilded viper]

derailing for a bit, really is i rolled a crit deimos

[olive ember]

Just casually rubbing the sword while also keeping slaughterer stacks while you walk into the shooter spam that is damnation

All to get the funny 2 shot on the reaper

And then call the weapon op

[spice veldt]

unyielding enemies aside, the illisi and power swords have a standout cleave distribution

see the images above

[latent tree]

Anyone know any yt channels that uploads darktide game play

[twilit veldt]

tbh, i dont mind it. Personally i dont think having a "do it all" loadouts in horde shooters is a bad thing, but having one class excel at doing it all while the others have to specialize and often to a lesser effectiveness than the do it all class is fuckin dumb

i wouldnt gut things

[umbral jetty]

I don't mind jack-of-all-trades loadouts. I mind when the jack of all trades handles all situations better than can be specialized into

[fiery atlas]

can deimos special crit?

not the initial hit

[twilit veldt]

ye literally what i said

[fiery atlas]

but the force attack

[gilded viper]

using the speical, and i don't think so it never did for me

feel like u don't even need the speical for that wepaon tbh unless u fighting cara

[umbral jetty]

I'd gut things when they are out of alignment with the vision of the class.

sharpshooter shouldnt get a power sword. that should have been perhaps the 5th career

[twilit veldt]

i dont think gutting psword and other shit is what should be done, more adding weapons that let other classes also "do it all" would be a better choice

[olive ember]

The illi isn’t that good tho compared to the fucking deimos

[sharp obsidian]

Deimos is absolutely cracked

[olive ember]

People just mentioned oh it’s cool it can kill reapers in two swings under specific conditions

[twilit veldt]

or alternatively, make it funny, let every class use every weapon

let my psyker become one with an eviscerator

[gilded viper]

legit two diff weapon since one is single and one is cleaving

[olive ember]

And suddenly it’s not balanced unless I take 10 swings to kill em

Like the fucking devils claw

Meh wte I’m over it, FS will do what FS does

Worst case I just default back to the Obscurus

[twilit veldt]

yea i found illisi powerful as fuck in meat grinder when the update hit, but in regular gameplay, i heavily prefer deimos

its just so much nicer to use

[umbral jetty]

I'd just reduce the damage of the special by 10% to elites and specials and see where that ends up

maybe if fatshark actually tested their game they wouldnt release stuff out of tune

[spice veldt]

if you hit 5 targets with an illisi heavy-special at max t4 slaughterer stacks, you'll deal 1978.38 damage at most.
If you hit 5 targets with an antax light at max t4 decimator stacks, you'll deal 556.32 damage.

And the differences only widen once you start to hit more and more targets.
if you hit 8 targets with an illisi heavy-special at max t4 slaughterer stacks, you'll deal 2527.89 damage at most.
If you hit 8 targets with an antax light at max t4 decimator stacks, you'll deal 704.82 damage.

the illisi having 18.4 cleave on a special with max t4 slaughterer stacks

and dealing 144.38 minimum cleave damage

[feral verge]

unironically, if deimos could do this, i think i'd prefer it over illisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UyAv2rMiM

[void mural]

I'm curious, last time I popped into this chat, everyone was saying illi was great and deimos was a "wtf, we already have a single target FS". Did people figure out how to use the deimos better?

[feral verge]

i love the rapid peril gen

[fiery atlas]

this does brings up a point

[umbral jetty]

I think it would be cool if you cut the damage down a fair bit but added a double-range component

[spice veldt]

we don't have to nerf the base damage of the illisi

we can just adjust the cleave distribution

[twilit veldt]

i sense great... slaneshii influence

[olive ember]

I mean the only thing we need to change is quelling speed /shrug

[spice veldt]

there are ways to tweak a weapon without making it dogwater

[clear heath]

i mean, it's meant to be a cleaving weapon anyways

[spice veldt]

nerf the first target bonus on the special

ez

[clear heath]

i just think the cleaving specialist shouldn't also be a jack of all trades

[fiery atlas]

i think it'd be better if we kept the cleave distribution a little up but we nerf the weakspot damage it does on special hit

[spice veldt]

i still think the cleave distribution is overtuned

[twilit veldt]

i feel like at this point people are arguing for the sake of getting angrier here lmao

[kind jay]

Deimos is not quite as single target as it seems. it's actually pretty good in mixed hordes

[fiery atlas]

it already ignores hit mass on special hit, we could nerf that down a little too

[olive ember]

Warp unleashed and Quietitude are broken rn cuz of instantaneous quelling speed, also I’d hate to say it but the illi rubbing might be a bug

[clear heath]

the actual jack of all trades weapon feels pathetic in comparison when the weapon that's supposed to be really good at one thing can also do everything else

[olive ember]

Fix the illi rub and reduce quelling speed and tada damage won’t be as bonkers

[feral verge]

dont say that

[feral verge]

dont say that

[spice veldt]

you can still spam specials at 100% peril if you quell once

[void mural]

Ah, interesting. How so? I haven't tried it yet. But I've been loving illi

[spice veldt]

why are you so against touching the damage of the illisi?

[umbral jetty]

I'd say make deimos and obscurus get the rub

[spice veldt]

why are we going through these roundabout ways of adjusting the illisi by tweaking tangentially related mechanics instead of tweaking the weapon itself?

[twilit veldt]

it reminds me a fuckton of rapier in VT2

[clear heath]

honestly the illi rub is such nice qol
the alternative is doing annoying qq spam between each one

[twilit veldt]

plus like with all FS you get unlimited dodges

[clear heath]

they really should just put it on the other weapons

[twilit veldt]

Salzpyre my beloved

[clear heath]

it's really just an inconvenience that doesn't need to be there

[umbral jetty]

deimos is very similar to kerilian's spear as well

[void mural]

A fair amount of cleave with a precise heavy for dealing with specials?

[hearty birch]

hi guys, is this worth it?

[olive ember]

It’s already a worse hsword without charge, and it’s a worse psword with charge

[kind jay]

it actually has decent lights after l1 (which hits like a Mac truck). slaughter makes it very strong

[olive ember]

And our answer is to nerf the damage

[spice veldt]

yes

[olive ember]

Because it can do something other than kill poxwalkers

Wow

[spice veldt]

what an accurate restatement of our arguments

[twilit veldt]

not really cleave, but its quick as fuck and pretty much every attack stops regular trash from attacking, so you can quickly clear a lot of trash by just spamming LMB

[clear heath]

my answer is nerf single target
because having decent cleave and decent single target is the obscurus's thing

[spice veldt]

because this cleave distribution of a t4 slaughterer illisi heavy-special is very balanced

[twilit veldt]

plus the heavy is a stab

[spice veldt]

18.4 cleave btw

[twilit veldt]

its got a good mix of clearing shit mobs and elites

[void mural]

Ah, interesting

[spice veldt]

this is a t4 decimator antax light btw

very balanced

[void mural]

Gotcha

[spice veldt]

you can see that the cleave distribution of these two weapons is very comparable

[twilit veldt]

plus with the charge attack you can 1-2 shot majority of elites

[fiery atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/775119973005000725/1035641066277322863/sweat.gif

that's a lot of cleave

[spice veldt]

yup

[fiery atlas]

or...and I say the controversial opinion

[spice veldt]

beyond the fact that the illisi only has one charge, the cleave distribution of the illisi is only marginally worse than the psword

[fiery atlas]

we take slaughterer off of powerswords

and give it slaughterer-lite

[twilit flicker]

I for one, welcome the illisi and deimos

[fiery atlas]

sorry force swords

[spice veldt]

here's the distribution without slaughterer

[twilit flicker]

Been begging for a two-handed force sword anyway.

[spice veldt]

still bonkers with 10.5 cleave

[twilit veldt]

gib force glaive

[umbral jetty]

Imo illisi should be nerfed so the 2-handed force sword is able to be OP

[fiery atlas]

it's more even with antax now, but that's kind of bonker

[lime peak]

Force Glaives and Zweihanders would be dope

[umbral jetty]

glaives with a sweetspot range would be pretty dope.

[void mural]

Is the old mk2 FS basically useless compared to the new ones?

Also, is the deimos special attack faster than mk2? I haven't played with it other than in the meat grinder, but it felt like the force attack was faster than on mk 2.

[past parrot]

Does Illis out perform a good Antax now?

[olive ember]

The first argument was that the illi was op and should be nerfed, which is like it isn’t that op just overtuned

Then the second argument is that it makes running other weapons useless, which it doesn’t since the deimos is a thing and illi is competing with BM antax which is also BS

What’s the argument now

[spice veldt]

we didn't say it made them useless

just that illisi was definitively stronger than the rest

[clear heath]

it makes running obscurus pretty pointless imo

[olive ember]

Kinda besides crusher spam

[twilit veldt]

useless? no, its still good. Worse? yea deimos and illisi are both better imo. But if you got a obscurus one just keep it

[olive ember]

The obscures is pointless cuz the DFS exists

[twilit veldt]

the special is pretty much the same

[clear heath]

and obscurus wasn't even a bad weapon and also got buffed

[olive ember]

Same way the DFS makes the dueling sword pointless

[void mural]

That's pretty much what I meant. Completely overshadowed atm

[twilit veldt]

speed wise*

[olive ember]

We should nerf the DFS clearly

[clear heath]

so like, a good weapon got buffed and somehow that weapon got rendered obsolete
something is wrong here

[spice veldt]

if you hit 8 targets with an illisi heavy-special without slaughterer, you do 1444.5 damage.
To deal as much damage, a BM antax light with t4 decimator has to hit 23 targets.

[olive ember]

Overtuned pos can horde clear even tho it’s single target and it’s got good mobility

Let’s just nerf both of the new weapons since they are overtuned and actually fun to use

[twilit flicker]

Shouldn't we be comparing it to the power sword? Its not like it make all the other options irrelevant, and it doesn't.

[olive ember]

I stead of idk

[spice veldt]

wow it's almost like we can do small number tweaks

[olive ember]

Buffing the undertuned weapons in line

[spice veldt]

we should also buff undertuned weapons

I agree with that

[olive ember]

Again it’s fatshark

[spice veldt]

again they did small number tweaks last patch with the force swords

[past parrot]

I think it’s OK for some weapons to be weaker than others. You can’t balance a Claw Sword against Force Sword or Power Sword at the end of the day. The Claw Sword will always be vastly superior no matter how much they try to nerf it.

[clear heath]

obscurus wasn't even undertuned

[spice veldt]

stop fucking bullshitting and ignoring that fact

[clear heath]

and it got buffed

and it still isn't as good as the new swords

[fringe garden]

And they still aren't as good as the power sword

So I mean

[twilit veldt]

the majority of the VT2 years should be a good show of what can go wrong when FS decides to nerf things

[fringe garden]

it'll be aight

[clear heath]

this isn't buffing undertuned shit in line
this is buffing already good shit even more to keep up

[olive ember]

Idk every noticeable nerf to weapons have effectively killed it off

[twilit veldt]

im still salty about my halberd

[spice veldt]

damn that nerf to the power sword killed it off

totally

[olive ember]

Besides the psword I guess

[spice veldt]

oh besides a counter example

[olive ember]

But vets get priority treatment so

[spice veldt]

I agree that they nerf shit like devastating strike

[olive ember]

And the entire fucking class is just broken

[fiery atlas]

tbf some stuff has been untouched for a long time

[spice veldt]

but they have shown themselves able to make reasonable balance changes to an extent

[lime peak]

New psy so I just started using the Deimos over the old sword, I think it felt like the specials were about the same speed. Really enjoying just poking any Rager or MAuler that so much as lookss at me.

[spice veldt]

I agree that fatshark is inconsistent and all over the place

[fiery atlas]

rapier and snd haven't been touched

[olive ember]

You don’t wanna use the specials

You want to use the heavy 2

The stab does funny damage

[spice veldt]

but you keep making absolute statements as if they were absolutely incapable of making reasonable balance changes

[twilit veldt]

i know, but a fair bit of shit that has been changed ended up being kinda dogshit or less viable

[lime peak]

H2 is great but I just like the special after I've popped Trauma.

[twilit flicker]

I actually think psyker is the most powerful class rn, tell me about the zealots flamethrower though wew!

[olive ember]

They either give nerfs that don’t do anything

Or nerfs that kill the weapon/blessing

Remember crucian roulette?

[spice veldt]

which weapon nerfs killed them, BEYOND blessing changes

[twilit flicker]

And only play psyker so my view is skewed

[spice veldt]

they've been pretty good on weapon tweaks

[twilit veldt]

and yes, they have still not changed shit on elves sword and dagger, saltz rapier, krubs exec sword, etc. but them having a strong weapon didnt destroy the game.

[spice veldt]

and they made a pass on blessings, though they certainly could have done better

[olive ember]

Infernus recon las, crucian roulette auto guns, thammer animation cancel, deflector ranged revive screwed FS half the time and the deflector blessing in terms of “meta”

I could prob think of a few more

[spice veldt]

of course, I won't absolutely say that they won't nerf weapons into the ground

[olive ember]

But off the top of the head

[spice veldt]

but I do think that they're capable of doing it reasonably

[olive ember]

Bleed knife was a thing

[clear heath]

i'm not confident that they're good at giving buffs either

[spice veldt]

unlike a certain someone who likes to make absolute statements

[olive ember]

Granted that shit was broken

But the fixes and nerfs effectively killed bleed knife

[cyan notch]

dude i just finished a hi int shock troops that shit took forever

LOOK AT THOSE SPECIALS

[olive ember]

Idk what you expected tbh

It’s hi int shock lmao

[twilit flicker]

Almost 200 lol

Well it is if you count the elites!

[kind jay]

shock is good. but gimme that sniper condi

i want to suffer

[echo jay]

Holy shit. You went hard

[olive ember]

What staff you bring anyways

[echo jay]

175 specials AND the most plasteel

[cyan notch]

we had a flamer zealot and ripper gun ogryn and a surge psyker so i ended up killing all the specials

[olive ember]

People have been saying that surge is decent

[cyan notch]

i was using deimos purg

[olive ember]

For hi int shock

[near wyvern]

Another episode of "why do I have to do everything by myself"

[fringe garden]

Not terrible

[cyan notch]

nah the team was actually good we stuck together and didnt go down excessively

[olive ember]

I wish I could suffer in the hi int shock experience but

[shadow wigeon]

Who gets affects by the crit though? single target or all in explosion?

[olive ember]

I’m outside touching grass rn

[near wyvern]

Meh, can't keep up with Flurry Peril

[olive ember]

Eh it’s a decent crit strike

Dunno how they would buff crit strike to make it compete tho

Maybe we should nerf flurry since every staff uses it and there’s no decent alternative

[near wyvern]

Both. It applies once on projectile and again on explosion so the final target that causes the explosion always takes 6 stacks on crit.

[fringe garden]

Blazing Spirit sounds fun but doesn't really do too much in practice

[near wyvern]

On Trauma it's decent but other than that, meh

[errant wren]

Alright I took a brake but played last night and enjoyed the new psyker

Question though. Purgatas staff crit now?

[olive ember]

Critic?

[shadow wigeon]

Siblings, I moved to the right AND quelled

[twilit flicker]

It's not strictly necessary, ask the others about the other weapon choices. Purge is very good though, if you can stay close and stun foes. Ryme?

[errant wren]

Sorry *crit

[olive ember]

Crit applies 2 stacks of burn so

[topaz sable]

Finally beat high-intens shock troops, was using the trauma staff

[olive ember]

Yeah warp flurry + warp nexus for purge

[topaz sable]

definitely one of the reasons I'm thankful for my sc2 experience lmao

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry is very strong on purg.

[errant wren]

Is it worth building around crit or should I try the suppress perk?

[olive ember]

It’s worth imo

[topaz sable]

on Purg I'd run flurry/warp nexus, they seem a lot better than the others for purg

Idk the math on whether 5% crit change is better than specific enemy damage

[summer prairie]

I think with the new nexus, it's not

also doesn't help with AB damage, but I suppose you'll often be using your melee when you AB ult

[cyan notch]

hi int shock troops reward btw

[summer prairie]

I got some very low rated purple curio

[plucky flax]

You guys took so long. O_O
This was a random match making group.

[cyan notch]

yea i was the only one killing specials

we were very very slow

[summer prairie]

is the smelter event actually challenging with this modifier

[plucky flax]

The slower you are the more specials and cluster fucks.

Gotta go fast.

[gilded viper]

bolter vet do like

felt like i was carried that whole match

[leaden thunder]

the fucking overkill damage

[fresh reef]

Is it just me, or does anyone else kinda feel like surge is weak atm?

[void mural]

Yeah, bolter be like that

[plucky flax]

The carry person is the one who finds the most plasteels.

Most important part of the game.

[cyan notch]

kinda yea but also not really since u can funnel enemies hardest part is still getting randoms to hit the 3 yellow things at the same time

[gilded viper]

just finish it, our team manage to do it well, i got downed once cause tint foil guys got me mid weapon swap

i wish this gun was good 😦

[leaden thunder]

I feel that

[gilded viper]

god emp why

[leaden thunder]

if they gave the two faster firing infantries not shitty hipfire

i'd use them

[rose lily]

i ended up keeping it but thanks

[leaden thunder]

regardless of thier actual effectiveness

[summer prairie]

the first relay station event is pretty ridiculous if people get downed and you have to recover

[olive ember]

Could be worse

Could be the Mg Ia

[gilded viper]

thought the mg la was better?

[olive ember]

No it’s the worst one

[gilded viper]

really

[safe crystal]

Hi5 w/gloves runs are definitely interesting

[sharp obsidian]

It uses the same amount of ammo as XII, but does like 2/3 the damage

[gilded viper]

IV feel the worse to play for me

[leaden thunder]

if they had a different crit blessing then headhunter i'd make an infernus crit iv

[safe crystal]

We ended up wiping on this at the end, it was the station assassination

[leaden thunder]

I pretty much leave those lobbies

when I see it

pubs are dodo ass at that map

[olive ember]

SMH

[gilded viper]

station assassination got to be the hardest final event

[olive ember]

Look at this quitter

You should play with me Sean

I’ll bring my most Meta build

[clear heath]

but that's part of the fun!

[shut ether]

IDK sometimes you can get awful Data Interrogator RNG

[safe crystal]

We took so long on the interrogator, we got swamped by 3+ flamers and 3+ trappers the entire way through, with a sprinkling of snipers and bombers to top it off

[olive ember]

Which map is the interrogator event where they can spawn right next to you

Like a bunch of gunners n shotgunners n shit

[cyan notch]

chasm logistratum

[olive ember]

Out of a tunnel door right next to you

[plucky flax]

Chasm raid.

That map is hard because there are so few medicae stations.

After the mid event you got a bit of a trek to the next one, then another long one until the pre-finale station.

[gilded viper]

know what fuck it, going ot make a good mg iv

cause im bored

[spice veldt]

i recommend using the fullauto mod to avoid carpal tunnel

[gilded viper]

good idea

[gilded viper]

mod = make a bad gun usable

[cyan notch]

me not ever upgrading these

[gilded viper]

SHEESH

this game a troll

cara + unyielding

[leaden thunder]

idk what blessings you even want on the iv

opening isn't as good as it is on the xii

I guess like

infernus + something

[gilded viper]

can't wait to get 25% of 1-2 damage

[safe crystal]

DOUBLE DAMAGE

[clear heath]

just crit

[safe crystal]

[gilded viper]

[olive ember]

Cabbage man!

[gilded viper]

i need to check what blessing can lasgun get

[leaden thunder]

not very many good ones

headhunter + infernus might be the play for that one

[olive ember]

When can I get sniper rifle

I can’t aim for shit

But

[safe crystal]

If helbores had a scope, it'd be pretty close to one

I prefer them as is, though. Tunnel vision sucks

And scopes would make me tunnel vision

[olive ember]

Eh I can’t use iron sights

[uneven compass]

Anyone test out how well wrack and ruin + wildfire do? Seems interesting

[leaden thunder]

I was unimpressed when I messed around with it

[uneven compass]

Ah that's a shame, just not enough damage/dot spreading?

[leaden thunder]

like it was ok

but it didn't feel like it was better then just using the buffed damage talent

though wildfire + a blazing spirit truama/void I have heard is decent/fun

[ember hornet]

quicken + zealot cosplay kinda fun ngl

[uneven compass]

Been hoping to get blazing spirit because that sounds awesome on Trauma. Been running purgatus wildfire which is fun but every single psyker is doing the same and I'm getting like 2-3 psyker groups every mission

[leaden thunder]

purgatus doesn't work super well with wildfire unfortunately

which is weird

[uneven compass]

Oh really? How come?

[fresh reef]

The range is so short on it that it doesn't really serve a purpose with Purgatus

[leaden thunder]

the last line in wildfires description

[gilded viper]

no lie i try did at lanuch when i level psyker after maining zealot

[fresh reef]

It's like, 4m if I recall?

[leaden thunder]

The total amount of Soulblaze stacks on the new enemy cannot exceed the stacks of the dying enemy.

[ember hornet]

it's hilariously strong now

[leaden thunder]

this cucks it on the purge

[uneven compass]

Damn that sucks, was struggling to see if it was doing much but ya, looks like I might go back to the trauma staff then

[fresh reef]

Has general opinion on the Void shifted much?

[olive ember]

What opinion are you referring to

[pearl lion]

hahaha

[fresh reef]

Voidstrike being the worst staff

[feral verge]

its def not the worst

[olive ember]

Depends on who you ask but

[feral verge]

void fucks

[pearl lion]

Um excuse you, I didnt know this was wrong opinion hour

[feral verge]

imo, surge is the worst

[olive ember]

General consensus is surge being weakest now >.>

Tho all the staffs are meta one way or another

[fresh reef]

It's so interesting how with no nerfs to either of them, slab shield and Surge are both now poopoo tier

[feral verge]

void is really good, and performs well at preventing clutch scenarios

[fresh reef]

Literally skill issued out of the meta

[topaz sable]

but it's not as good when in clutch scenarios

[feral verge]

yea

trauma and purga are the clutch staves

[olive ember]

I mean surge isn’t bad

[topaz sable]

Surge just feels underwhelming when the other 3 are dps machines

[olive ember]

Value is shining today actually with hi int shock

[void mural]

Slab shield has always been garbage tier?

[uneven compass]

Void feels good until the enemies are too spread out to line up. Surge still feels the same to me. Feels really meh on non flak as usual

[olive ember]

It was “meta” for the first week of pre launch beta before people figured things out

[fresh reef]

I've been preferring void lately because, unlike with trauma, I find that I can be really aggressive with Quicken and melee plays while still having a solid answer for shooters

[void mural]

I mean, nothing was really meta that early on

[olive ember]

Is quicken actually good now? So many people running quicken

And it’s like

Meme

[fresh reef]

I ran Quicken before the buffs, and loved it

[feral verge]

i've never once used quicken

[void mural]

It's for the meme x2 BB and then quicken infinite

[feral verge]

and i have 400 hours on psyker

[void mural]

Not really a meme, but imo, not really that great?

[fresh reef]

I like having the extra stagger more often

Not procing SB at all, so AB is a no go and I don't much care for just backlining with BB

[past parrot]

I like Quicken because I constantly almost explode myself

[fringe garden]

That's a fair reasoning, i feel like, lol

[void mural]

It's fine. It works with the elite CD on kill to make you have tons of Fs, but I'd personally rather have barrage

[leaden thunder]

after the buff quickening is pretty nice

[past parrot]

I feel like I get 6 warp charges back pretty quick too, especially on HI

[leaden thunder]

yep

you only need 3 pops to get them back

[void mural]

I still like 6 stack + peril resist + barrage for tons of quick BB in a pinch

[past parrot]

4% per teammate kill is actually a lot + 2 stacks per proc

[fresh reef]

I wish there was some way to use the Peril explosion tbh

Like channeling it through the class ability somehow

[past parrot]

How hard is the self destruct penance? Does peril explosion 1 tap most elites?

[leaden thunder]

no

[fresh reef]

Lol

Lmao even

[past parrot]

wat

[fresh reef]

It does like 400 damage, with falloff

[leaden thunder]

I got it on my vet

[past parrot]

Wait that counts toward the Psyker one?

[leaden thunder]

it used to

idk if it still does

[past parrot]

That’s pretty funny

I think I’ll just buy docket cosmetics and ignore those bs penances

I ain’t asking my quickplay team to let me solo the Plague Ogryn

[fresh reef]

This was unironically how I got the penance lul

Literally just kited a Plague Ogryn around a box while my team watched us go around in circle

[past parrot]

I think my tendency to blow myself up during High Intensity Shock Troops runs will solve that penance organically

[fresh reef]

Mfw you left 5 shotgunners alive because of the falloff

[errant wren]

what traits do ppl look for on the surge staff

[fresh reef]

Warp Flurry and Warp Nexus

Oh wait traits

Probably +unarmoured, for one

Maybe infested second

It has fine flak damage yet struggles to kill melee trash

[errant wren]

no more terrifying barrage to surpress?

[fresh reef]

I'm not sure about Barrage

Doesn't it originate from you, not the point of death?

[leaden thunder]

barrage is pretty ass

it's the "I don't have anything better" option

[errant wren]

damn I really thought i was on to something

what talents go well with the surge staff I play on tier 4 but never really tried the surge

Usually use the voidstrike or purgatas

[void mural]

That's what I did for a pug psyker when a beast of nurgle spawned. We just let him kite it all over the place and dealt with the other spawns.

He just asked on mission start and we said sure

[sharp obsidian]

Warp resist per warp charge lets you spam surge and stunlock more

[gilded viper]

it time to troll

[leaden thunder]

[gilded viper]

i forgot i got t4 infernus on lasgun

[weak sapphire]

I like Deimos Mk IV Blaze force sword. Am I bad psyker because of that? 😦

[spice veldt]

you're basically a serial killer

visit a police station at your next convenience

[twilit veldt]

hi int assassination, only person out of our team to not go down is me, we make it to the boss and bolter vet with apocalypse skin that was dying the entire time decides that despite having me on mob control hell be the one killing mobs instead of targeting boss. he fucked off to the other part of the arena alone, my entire team melted because ive literally gotten the most dogshit teammates possible and we lost after like 45 minute long run

i want to fuckin die

[spice veldt]

I play chasm terminus to torture myself

the finale is the hardest dice roll to see if your teammates can stay alive or keep the mobs at bay

[twilit veldt]

you didnt even need a good team for this shit, literally just get half a decent team

[spice veldt]

or kite the boss without randomly dying

[fresh reef]

Just checking for skill issue, did they patch out the quell-m2 spamfire bug with Voidstrike?

[twilit veldt]

but when your teammates scatter to the seven winds ill get aneurysm

[weak sapphire]

Advice how to get the penance "Warp battery" is needed. I have specced so I bb quick and dont deplete warp charges when using PW. But how should I play? Just run around popping heads?

[twilit veldt]

is that the one with max charges for X seconds?

[weak sapphire]

Yeah

[twilit veldt]

youll have easier time for it on higher difficulties where the amount of shit on screen is high

just run around with brain burster

[spice veldt]

i got it on a hi-intensity malice consignment yard with purg AB by just rushing through the map to get to enemies as fast as possible

[cyan notch]

yea terminus is pretty rough in quickplay

[weak sapphire]

Im playing on damnation but ive used another spec which I spend alot of wp all the time. so the penance havent "Naturally" appeared so to speak 😄

[twilit veldt]

depending on AI spawner you might end up holding one position for 2 minutes during which youll get it

[spice veldt]

oh right

then I didn't take AB when I got warp batteru

[weak sapphire]

Ok so I just play with this new spec and hope for the best then? 😄

[spice veldt]

it should work if your team just holds W

[olive ember]

The pug experience past malice is rough in general

[spice veldt]

and you can reach enemies before your stacks decay

[olive ember]

Legit got a lvl 21 vet and all he did was go down

Worse than bot

[weak sapphire]

Thanks

[twilit veldt]

if you luck out and get a team of like 3 psykers or 4 psykers, youll end up holding down positions very often, cuz everyone is using BB so thats probably the easiest way to do it

[olive ember]

Yeah If you want the penance just play with a safer build using communion, flayer, and KB

[twilit veldt]

i fail more heresy runs than ive probably failed cata in VT2, its fuckin dogshit when you get people that take grim and die 30 seconds later cuz they took it with one wound remaining

im seriously considering upping it to damnation, hoping that better players are on that diff

[mint stump]

that's why I don't play missions where picking up grims is even an option

[twilit veldt]

quickplay

[mint stump]

ah

see, I don't quickplay anymore

[twilit veldt]

the omnissiah decides in what way i get to be fucked today

tho i have to say, deimos with purge is one solid fucking combo

purge for shit, deimos for mauler/crusher, BB for bulwark