i have 260
#psyker-class
feral verge
devout axle
You've got an extra 1% somewhere then.
feral verge
makes a huge difference
devout axle
Meh, above 240 just feels like overpreparing anyways. I feel like I could probably get better value running other perks.
Maybe gunner resistance. Or Sniper resistance, since Snipers always seem to spawn right behind me and get a free shot up my ass.
devout axle
I find muties to only be a problem if things are already going to shit. They are more like salt in the wound.
Like "You're the only one left standing, there is a horde, a couple gunners, a trapper running around somewhere, and you can hear a burster getting close. Lets throw in a mutie just to make sure you can't pick your team up."
still hearth
That's basically all enemies though
If they're alone
But when you're fighting 20 poxwalkers, 2 tarppers and 1 mutie, then 3 ragers come behind you
feral verge
ive had many moments where its 100% clutchable
but a mutie barrels through and its GG
devout axle
Besides, my only friend, Jim, is a mutie.
#psyker-class message
So maybe I'm biased.
feral verge
i'll give 1 toughness curio a try
120 toughness, 224 hp
not sure if it'd be worthless
still hearth
I think 120 toughness is the breakpoint for a full scab stalker burst
leaden thunder
^
olive ember
Meh deflector FS
leaden thunder
something like that
olive ember
Ez.
devout axle
I've considered Toughness if I am running Kinetic Shield for that extra survivability vs ranged.
leaden thunder
fair enough
devout axle
Ranged does.
long wharf
of course they will, but wounds won't fix having to be rescued from the abyss, anyways
spice veldt
better for my emotional health to have died with less hp than with more hp
devout axle
of course they will, but wounds won't fix having to be rescued from the abyss, a...
It sure is handy the Heretics are always there to catch me and rescue me whenever it happens. Such nice fellas, really.
long wharf
better friends than the Imperium for sure
olive ember
Btw what was the logic behind poxhounds anyways
Let’s make a super fast disabler
And give it the health of a mauler
devout axle
I mean, I don't have a problem with Poxhounds design. What I hate about them is how inconsistent dodging them is.
I swear they made them harder to dodge.
spice veldt
there was that reddit post showcasing the effect of ping with snipers and hounds
olive ember
I mean it’s the BS turning, the backwards pounces, when they get staggered they go flying backwards so it’s hard to finish em
spice veldt
their random stagger immunity is the most annoying to me
sometimes, they can pounce on a teammate and can't be staggered off
at all
or when you ult them right when they pounce
but oh no, I ulted too early because they can't be fucking staggered right when they do their leap
their inconsistent behavior with no rhyme or rhythm really pisses me of
devout axle
See, that 0 ping example of the Hound is how I remember it being during pre-'launch'. I used to be able to consistently dodge dogs even with a Force Sword equipped. But now it feels like they hit me 90% of the time when using even a Dueling Sword or Knife.
olive ember
They also have basically no wind up
still hearth
It's not random.
spice veldt
ah that too
still hearth
Stagger immunity is a thing.
olive ember
You have to react to them flying in the air
spice veldt
it's random if I don't see what caused it
the lack of information about a situation is considered random
spice veldt
it is the correct word
olive ember
You have to react to em flying through the air which is meh when you are far away from em, but if you are trying to melee em
It’s so dumb
Cuz you will be hitting them, they get stagger immune for a second and pounce immediately
No tell at all
spice veldt
i've had a dog run perpendicular to me
devout axle
Stagger immune
Its the same bad interaction with flamers and Bursters. If your zealot or psyker is spraying fire at a Burster, you won't be able to push it when it dives.
spice veldt
and then he does the tightest 90 degree turn and immediately does a pounce
still hearth
Yep
If they're going to get hit by something
It better kill it
Or do insane amounts of stagger
long wharf
void charged shot also guaranteed staggers hounds
olive ember
The problem is doing that given how jank they move, what you are dealing with
And how there can be multiple at once
long wharf
yep
olive ember
I mean at this point we kinda just accepted it but is it considered good game design to spawn enough disablers to screw the entire team?
Like I was playing hi int malice and then spawned in two mutants two trappers and a poxhound
twilit flicker
I think so too, it forces you to make quick decisions
spice veldt
i think disablers are fine; i just hate hounds
olive ember
I hate hounds i hate bursters
spice veldt
just hope that modders make a mod that introduces artificial ping so that I can practice
olive ember
I hate the triple hound double burst event
devout axle
I mean at this point we kinda just accepted it but is it considered good game de...
This has been a part of the genre since L4D. In L4Ds versus mode, the only reliable way to win as infected is to coordinate in a way where your team can disable every survivor at once. Otherwise, its too easy for them to recover. Of course, in L4D, Specials were limited to only spawning 4 at a time without mods.
still hearth
I think that
spice veldt
survivors were also extremely busted
still hearth
Mutants are the best disablers from a design perspective
spice veldt
so busted that they had to be nerfed to be restricted to only t1 weapons (starter SMGs)
devout axle
survivors were also extremely busted
True.
still hearth
Dogs are okay since you can stagger them off at range but they work like a bugged mess
unreal harness
I think it's good game design to spawn enough disablers to cover the whole team
still hearth
Trappers are the most unfair ones but they're also fine if you stick as a group
unreal harness
Requiring some level of competency or teamwork or something
still hearth
If the disablers worked properly
olive ember
Nah I find trappers there most fair
still hearth
And actually made noise consistently
spice veldt
i like the trappers because of how they drag players into their direction
foggy tangle
do you want BM on tac axe VII?
spice veldt
basically smokers
unreal harness
Yeah dogs with no audio queue is the worst
olive ember
Loud as spawn sounds, moves slow, recognizable, has a distinct wind up, squishy as shit
still hearth
Trappers with no sound
Suddenly you're hit from behind
Pulled through 50 poxwalkers
Instantly killed
spice veldt
i've gotten a one-two combo when I dealt with a trapper at my front but got trapped from behind
devout axle
Okay, so you've had trappers with no sound. But what about Trappers spamming their vox to troll the players?
olive ember
Idk I can basically dodge trappers without looking at them
As I had to do in my malice game
spice veldt
it was particularly damning when two trappers shot at me at the same time
but I didn't realize there was a trapper behind me
i ulted the one at the front but got fucked from behind
olive ember
Just perform a diagonal dodge
still hearth
The sound issues seem to be better but idk
unreal harness
The only 2 mobs I sometimes don't hear audio queues for are dog and flamer
olive ember
Idk I’ve maybe come across trapper sound bug maybe only twice and even then I still hear the attack sound, just not the spawn
Flamer only makes audio queues when they are actually in range
unreal harness
Yeah sometimes their clicking noise just aint there
fierce sinew
All of the problems I run into with disablers are just server problems with actual consequences attached
olive ember
Idek what the timing to push a dog is anymore
fierce sinew
They're all fine as long as your dodge actually counts and things stagger correctly
olive ember
Like I’ll push and the damn marker will come up and I still get pounced
wet jacinth
olive ember
And then I’ll try pushing earlier and my push just misses and I still get pounced
wet jacinth
This is psyker chat. Just ult the Dog
unreal harness
If you hug a doorway or an obstacle they can't vault over you can give yourself a much bigger window to shove them
olive ember
This is psyker chat. Just ult the Dog
Doesn’t work when you have 3 of em
near wyvern
If you hug a doorway or an obstacle they can't vault over you can give yourself ...
If you hug a doorway they can clip through you tho
olive ember
They do the funny run past you
long wharf
https://tenor.com/view/force-push-jedi-badass-powerful-gif-16004509
what's that from?
olive ember
Get staggered but go flying behind you
Get up and instant pounce you before you even locate where they ragdolled to
Dogs 101
near wyvern
This is psyker chat. Just ult the Dog
Doesn't always work
wet jacinth
what's that from?
Itsa star wars gif so yeah idk
long wharf
ah
unreal harness
If you hug a doorway they can clip through you tho
You don't hug the actual doorway, just press up against the wall and stand a little bit back from the doorway (close enough to shove, but not on top to where they'll clip through you)
It's pretty ez
And I'm not even good
wet jacinth
Doesn't always work
feral verge
yeah i really like trauma staff
fierce sinew
if the you that exists server side for the purpose of hit detection is standing still in the open like a goober because tick rate is cheeks no client side doorway will save you
olive ember
Idk how they basically took gutter runners, made them quicker, made them less commital, made them jankier, and made them tankier, and went “yep here you go”
devout axle
what's that from?
Its from one of the cinematic trailers for Star Wars: The Old Republic
unreal harness
They definitely have the shortest reaction window by far, everything else you got like a solid 2 seconds to react
Is kinda odd
unreal harness
Oh no I react to em, they are just jank
That's crazy I don't remember saying you don't
long wharf
https://tenor.com/view/axolotl-cute-food-eating-ossie-gif-15381449
needs less pixels
olive ember
No wind up
unreal harness
No wind up
That's crazy
olive ember
you can literally be hitting them, they’ll rag doll through the entire horde because they go flying no matter what you do
And then get up and immediately pounce
unreal harness
That's crazy
olive ember
Jank af bs
unreal harness
That's crazy
olive ember
Oh yeah and they spawn 3 of em at a time
In case one jank piece of shit wasn’t enough
Well ima just go back to carrying malice
Makes life ez pz
Where poxhounds don’t have bajillion hp
Oh yeah
Is the bug fix being reverted today?
near gale
Question: Since the Surge staff does rely on crits, do I reroll the unyielding damage to something like flak instead?
olive ember
🤔
near gale
Also even with 25% unyielding... it still does very meager damage to monsters...
fierce sinew
rolling flak has nothing to do with the crit behavior
look at the damage it does to each armor type
wet jacinth
Armor dmg beeg
fierce sinew
do you want 25% of big number or small number
olive ember
Idk what the meta perks on surge are tbh
near gale
Yes
wet jacinth
Imagine using naked damage (unarmored)
near gale
Can't wait to murdicate more scab enemies... >.>
olive ember
Just get funny warp nexus and that staff is BiS
Until they fix warp flurry
Then gl you gotta swap oht terrifying barrage for flurry
ornate hamlet
Spend 300K on rolling purg staves, get one decent one
ornate hamlet
I will, just need more ordos
olive ember
Now you get to watch hadron ruin your purge staff
ornate hamlet
lol
olive ember
The darktide experience
ornate hamlet
It gave me warp nexus 2 on it, so not entirely disappointed
I actually like terrifying barrage on my purg, gotta scare the heretics
feral verge
idek where or how i got my purg
i dont even use it
cuz i prefer voidstrike, and now trauma
echo turtle
They accumulate
feral verge
echo turtle
I snatch whatever is high rating from the store
ornate hamlet
I see people using those effectively. Gotta try 'em out some day
echo turtle
thats great one
river sand
yeah trauma and void > purg
feral verge
I snatch whatever is high rating from the store
you're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't do this, imo
echo turtle
Yeah, One day you may wanna use it
feral verge
i'm so glad ive been doing it
especially with duelling swords
cuz i have a few good ones
olive ember
All the hype nowadays is how much you can clear hoards
devout axle
No one likes being a CC bot anymore 😦
Because players became more skilled and realized that the best form of CC is to just kill everything.
river sand
cc bot is okayish, but trauma has as much cc and you kill stuff with it now
what we need is T6-8 difficulty
feral verge
i finally have a good trauma and it feels great
spice veldt
t8 difficulty where a single shot from a scab shooter one-shots you
feral verge
i think it has the highest potential for clutch
cuz if you're surrounded you can just point that shit at your feet
olive ember
Because players became more skilled and realized that the best form of CC is to ...
Did they though? Do you know how many brauto and autopistol zealot and vets who bring it in for the killing power
And they just suck
devout axle
Autopistol is great. Those are just poor players.
olive ember
There sure seems to be a prevalent amount of em though
devout axle
Maybe on Malice, sure.
echo turtle
probably not running the right blessings, I had a pistol and 1 of the two good blessings and it was not working out
or just getting used to it
river sand
i've seen autopistol zealots doing some crazy shit when everybody was downed
echo turtle
I am still getting used to using a FS, Sometimes I just flail and die to chaff being used to a different dodge distance and pacing
river sand
i want to love FS but always go back to knife
devout axle
I rarely have issues with peoples choice of weapon on Damnation. I love watching zealots and veterans with autopistol mow through shit, and never feel like they are putting any weight on the rest of the team.
olive ember
Oh yeah FS pacing is different from like every other melee weapon in the game
Idk they don’t mow through anything
Granted I don’t rly give two shits about how many pox walkers they mow through
river sand
I rarely have issues with peoples choice of weapon on Damnation. I love watching...
there is one weapon that always sucks. and thats the shotgun
if someone joins with a shotgun you know he's dead weight
olive ember
I care about shooters and up
olive ember
if someone joins with a shotgun you know he's dead weight
Damn if I had the shotgun on psyker I’d bring it every time then
devout axle
there is one weapon that always sucks. and thats the shotgun
That shotgun isn't even bad statistically. It just ... is worse than the autopistol in every way. It has nowhere near enough ammo, can't chain kills together as easily, and does nothing to armor. If someone brings a shotgun, I try to bring a Brittleness Trauma staff to help them out. But yeah, I can see your point.
devout axle
Really fast.
still hearth
olive ember
still hearth
Voidstrike pretty good eh
river sand
That shotgun isn't even bad statistically. It just ... is worse than the autopis...
shotgun is great as long as there is now density, if mucho mobs on the screen, its empty and the cant reload
river sand
yeah psyker is the king of overkill dmg
olive ember
Hey they got free damnation win kek
river sand
play it with transfer peril 3 or 4 then
olive ember
Lmao
still hearth
I need to get transfer peril above 1 first
Fourth Warp Nexus
I think my luck has run out
river sand
invested 1 million ordos in voids today. not one usable staff ....
olive ember
Voidstrike user moment
river sand
the 2 best i got
devout axle
shotgun is great as long as there is now density, if mucho mobs on the screen, i...
That said, I'd rather have a decent veteran with a Shotgun than a bad Psyker with a Surge staff screeching "I'M A SUPPORT" while doing fuck all.
olive ember
This is what you get for not using surge
Idk most teams I find need the damn surge staff
river sand
That said, I'd rather have a decent veteran with a Shotgun than a bad Psyker wit...
if they allow us to get blazing spirit on surge ....
olive ember
The moment I swap off I get pugs who can’t deal with mutants for shit
Or any special
devout axle
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Surge staff. I have a problem with the majority of players who use them.
river sand
i'd say you get the most fun to usefulness ratio with trauma or void
but i get it, the palpatine vibes are great
unreal harness
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Surge staff. I have a problem wi...
Me, a Psyker with Surge staff killing 80% of the specials/elites in malice lobbies while also soloing the objectives
river sand
*Me, a Psyker with Surge staff killing 80% of the specials/elites in malice lobb...
in malice you could to that with a spoon
devout axle
^
river sand
a spoon with sharepened edges at least
unreal harness
Damn that's crazy that 3 of you missed the part where there's still 3 other people in the lobby and I still have to solo the objectives and am beating the veterans to all the kills
devout axle
Okay? But you are playing on Malice.
unreal harness
Yeah
river sand
dont do that, go damnation
unreal harness
I can't solo damnation as a lvl 29 psyker lmao
river sand
you can if you're good
unreal harness
Alright let's learn some English fam
The word "I" refers to me
I can't solo damnation as lvl 29 psyker lmao
Maybe y'all can
But that's why I said "I"
That's crazy
river sand
^^
feral verge
any half decent psyker should be able to solo damnation high intensity by level 3
spice veldt
i could solo damnation without starting up the game
feral verge
ahh
spice veldt
i was born able to solo damnation
feral verge
an ohio native
olive ember
any half decent psyker should be able to solo damnation high intensity by level ...
Level 3? What tf you doing in the first two levels
devout axle
Level 3? What tf you doing in the first two levels
The tutorial.
unreal harness
I'm glad I was able to teach you the meaning of a super common word today, have a good one
devout axle
I'm glad I was able to teach you the meaning of a super common word today, have ...
Are you always such a condescending asshole, or are you just having a bad day?
feral verge
pokimane didn't notice him today
olive ember
I’m always having a bad day
devout axle
Okay, so you're always like this. Noted.
feral verge
hope she sees you someday bro
unreal harness
I don't even watch Pokiemane lmao
near gale
I swear... I go away for 25 minutes just to do a mission and you all are at eachother's throats when I get back XD
devout axle
I swear... I go away for 25 minutes just to do a mission and you all are at each...
Speedrun it faster. Gotta get every Zealot you come across their speedrun penance.
olive ember
That best staff being surge staff btw
still hearth
Idk how people have issues with AB generation
feral verge
best staff is whatever i am currently using at the time
still hearth
The best staff is the XII
near gale
You made a kantrael xii entirely out of broken down staves?! 😮
devout axle
Here's hoping we're still alive enough to get as many votes as the first two polls.
olive ember
I can’t believe surge carry is tied with the fucking memestrike
spice veldt
i surged
olive ember
Peasants fear the chad gunker
But really
You have nothing to fear as long as my psyker isn’t wearing the beta helm
spice veldt
maybe mankar just hates anyone named peter
olive ember
I’ll bring out my recon las vet named Steven then
spice veldt
wow steven smh i hate stevens
spice veldt
i like the plain names you've given them
olive ember
I think I had this guy tilted af at me because he played like a dumbass and I didn’t save him and he basically ended up resorting to “okay PETER” over and over again
Until we inevitably wiped
unreal harness
I hope your poll doesn't get as many votes as the first 2 polls
spice veldt
ok peter
olive ember
Idk it was weird as shit
fair kayak
warm blade
1 more mission and then I have all the psyker penances done
spice veldt
the worst i've had was just an ogryn taking jabs at me throughout the entire match cuz I responded that I wouldn't be going out of my way for mats
and this was on the commsplex throneside map
the huge ass one
olive ember
Idk the mics are so shit that I can’t tell what they are saying half the time
Idek if they are flaming me
spice veldt
i have my game volume toned a bit down to take pity on people who use their mics
twilit comet
Best Blessings on Voidstrike? Warp Nexus + Surge? Warp Nexus + Sustained Fire?
feral verge
neither
still hearth
Warp Flurry
feral verge
warp flurry transfer peril
still hearth
And Transfer Peril
It's not even a competition if you want the ideal one.
But you can make do without it
spice veldt
sustained fire only works on the LMB iirc
olive ember
Use run n gun and focused channeling
Trust
It’s the hidden meme meta these elitists are trying to hide from you
twilit flicker
I voted gun because I wanted to skew the results, sorry
warm blade
recon lasgun also known as the laser staff
leaden thunder
also known as healing the enemy
warm blade
fighting war with love
twilit comet
sustained fire only works on the LMB iirc
Is that true?
olive ember
Never tested it’s kinda not good on voidstrike
twilit comet
On another note - does Terrifying Barrage work, like at all?
spice veldt
well i'm in the meatgrinder rn i can just test it again
still hearth
On another note - does Terrifying Barrage work, like at all?
Yes but its kinda ass.
Because it doesn't ignore suppression immunity
So it can just not do anything
twilit comet
Enemies flinch whenever you shoot near them, and occasionally they dive a little, but that happens even without terrifying barrage I feel.
spice veldt
nvm I sold all of my sustained fire voidstrikes
olive ember
You mean you didn’t hVe it in library
twilit comet
And then stat-wise on the void strike? Damage > Charge Rate > Warp Resist > Blast Radius > Quell Speed? (I don't mind manual quelling, or quelling with a force sword out)
leaden thunder
blast radius is the most dump of dump stats on it iirc
still hearth
Blast Radius is kind of bottom
Though I've found its useful
If you need to stagger a horde
So
spice veldt
warp res and blast radius are the least important stats
still hearth
Basically, all stats are important
But yeah those are probably the least important ones
twilit comet
Yeah, I often use the shot like an old-school rocket launcher, aim for the feet and stagger enemies.
still hearth
Just aim center mass if you don't charge it
devout axle
Yeah, I often use the shot like an old-school rocket launcher, aim for the feet ...
I'm not sure this is how soldiers used rocket launchers back in the day.
olive ember
warp res and blast radius are the least important stats
Nah warp res helps to keep peril low
It’s quell speed
spice veldt
the outer radius doesn't do that much damage unfortunately
olive ember
Quell speed and blast radius
still hearth
You ideally want transfer peril
So quell speed is better for when you want to reset
If you BB or something
spice veldt
warp res only affects the voidstrike while quell speed affects your peril overall
olive ember
I mean
spice veldt
and if you're running quietude, you want lower warp res
olive ember
Yeah but you will be transfer peril quelling most of the time
spice veldt
assuming that transfer peril works with it
still hearth
Even at 0% warp res
It costs like 15% peril
For one fully charged shot
Assuming you don't have warp flurry stacked
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spice veldt
olive ember
Well I’ll defer to the voidstrike users
still hearth
So at most its 17.5 + 9, 26.5 peril.
spice veldt
that's from 26.5 to 15.5
still hearth
32% from tranq brings it down to 18
But also if Transfer Peril works on it and you run that
olive ember
🤔
still hearth
You want to generate more peril
spice veldt
it's significant, but you're presumably hitting a bunch of enemies with transfer peril
and you can always quell
still hearth
And yeah you always should get atleast 5 peril back
Hopefully more
And then
You use 50% less
If you have Warp Flurry
spice veldt
and quelling has nonlinear scaling with the stat, so i'd still prefer it
still hearth
At least from the charge.
But anyway
You want like 40%+ on Warp Res at least
Just for comfy
Though 0% warp res sounds fun
olive ember
I mean on a decent staff you will prob only be like 40 below anyways
still hearth
Ye
I wouldn't consider my staff complete until its at least 80 in damage and charge speed, then like 60+ in the rest.
sonic coral
hello unofficial vet chat
would you replace limbsplitter with headtaker 4 or thrust 3?
sonic coral
headtaker seems like it would be better in combo with brutal momentum for crowds
for big guys topping out at 20% is probably fine
leaden thunder
achyls has a horizontal heavy 1 is the only reason to try thrust
other then that headtaker
sonic coral
Yea that's a good point on the first heavy, thanks for the input
I'll go headtaker for the time being, maybe switch it up if I feel fancy
olive ember
All the vets say that the recon las is bad
Should I not bring it into damnation then
spice veldt
they're clearly all wrong
olive ember
😄 I trust you
leaden thunder
it's pretty bad tbh
devout axle
It's not bad. It just underperforms compared to just using a MkXII lasgun.
spice veldt
top tier daemonhost aggro potential
leaden thunder
it's not unusable
but it's just worse then other options
the only benefit it has is 0 recoil
still hearth
Thrust 4 is probably better than Headtaker
spice veldt
iirc, the fastest firing variant has terrible armour mods
olive ember
Idk I can’t hit heads for shit I have learned
olive ember
I guess I’m defaulting to the Lucius
sonic coral
that's right Vanessa
sonic coral
I've got a tier 3 HT and a tier 4 thrust
still hearth
But it doesn't help your lights
sonic coral
yea, I figure that will be annoying in crowds if I'm not 1HKO'ing
still hearth
Though Achlys H1 is also
Really bad cleave after 2nd target
Its half the light infinite cleave
dense panther
can someone help me decide what perks and blessing to change on this please?
dense panther
switch to the brittle one?
devout axle
Unarmored and Flak are what I run.
spice veldt
I like focused channeling cuz I'm greedy for killing ranged
+unarmoured is nice for hitting breakpoints on dreg bruisers,
olive ember
can someone help me decide what perks and blessing to change on this please?
Replace transfer peril with rending shockwave
Nexus is pretty meh on trauma imo
Psyker have 5% chance to crit base so with nexus you only have like maybe 20% chance
devout axle
- 29 if you go all in and run 4% crit chance perk.
olive ember
On top of that trauma doesn’t do anything special on crit iirc as opposed to purge and surge, both of which hit multiple times per target and have special affects (double burn stacks on purge and increased CC on surge)
olive ember
25. 29 if you go all in and run 4% crit chance perk.
The full 20% only activated at 97 peril
You are not going to be doing much at 97 peril, especially on trauma
Realistically nexus gives you +10% maybe +15% crit
leaden thunder
still hearth
For some ungodly, inane reason
And it also is like
30/50/97/97 peril iirc
None of this makes sense
olive ember
Ah
I faintly recalled the breakpoints being dumb af but wasn’t sure
But yeah warp nexus isn’t actually that good except on surge and purge
olive ember
What you mean you don’t like run n gun
still hearth
Run 'n' Gun would be my pick
If it actually worked as advertised
But when I can't slide and shoot
And then sprint
Because it staggers me when I stand up
And I have to start running again
olive ember
XD
ember hornet
when does voidstrike make my brain explode
feral verge
from perils of the warp?
feral verge
97% is safe
spice veldt
99%
ember hornet
oh
spice veldt
brainburst is the only weapon that has the 97% threshold
ember hornet
so it's just I blow up if 100?
spice veldt
yup
spice veldt
smh
disgrace
i've blown up more times than i'd like to admit because of silly mistakes
feral verge
since im trying void ive blown up a few times
ember hornet
that's like twice in 20 missions it's fine
feral verge
i have that mod that removes warp peril sound effects
spice veldt
accidentally doing a special with my force sword at 100%, accidentally LMBing an enemy because of muscle memory at 100%
feral verge
but unforunately for me, it removes the screen effects
which i actually like. and help me keep peril in track
devout axle
If you aren't blowing yourself up at least once every other mission, are you really giving your all for The Emperor?
ember hornet
what's the radius and damage on self blow up... you know for the stupid penance
devout axle
Not enough, that's for sure.
proper elbow
Disregard penances, acquire aquilas
spice veldt
it can be done on malice at the very least
wide tiger
i blow myself up all the time
ember hornet
point blank, cool cool cool
wide tiger
especially when i try to switch weapons and then just lmb staff
spice veldt
it also has damage falloff
ember hornet
oh you can do it on malice
spice veldt
yup
ember hornet
then I can just walk into 3 elites it's fine
devout axle
Staff inspection. Reposting since its been a couple hours.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0ZpR7K4GnM/results
spice veldt
glad to see my 3 accounts bumping trauma staff up
devout axle
Nice meme brother, but one of those is me.
spice veldt
you're me
devout axle
I am me.
ember hornet
void pops heads therefore is best
spice veldt
no i'm pretty sure you're me
devout axle
And who are you?
spice veldt
you
devout axle
Me?
spice veldt
of course me
devout axle
I think I need to talk to an inquisitor about this.
spice veldt
not if I get there first
but of course, we'll get there at the same time anyways
because you're me
ember hornet
ok hear me out, is higher tier transfer peril a debuff on voidstrike if you run warp unleashed
devout axle
Okay me, what is my favorite staff then?
spice veldt
trauma
devout axle
Fuck.
feral verge
ok hear me out, is higher tier transfer peril a debuff on voidstrike if you run ...
i dont think so
spice veldt
being able to shoot without quelling is prob more valuable
feral verge
if your peril is going too low, just aim at their feet
it's a buff if anything
you dont have to waste time quelling
ember hornet
but with lower tier you can just keep aiming at heads
feral verge
i need head
devout axle
If your peril gets to low, you can just BB something for a quick 45%.
feral verge
still no head
ember hornet
at the end of the day it probably doesn't make a difference at all lol
devout axle
It really doesn't.
spice veldt
if you really want to maximize damage per shot
I only ever stay at 100% peril for the force sword
devout axle
For a fully charged shot on an 80% damage staff, the damage bonus is like +70~.
spice veldt
since its normal usage doesn't generate peril and the special can be used at 99%
ember hornet
I run force sword too so I want to be at high peril
devout axle
All force sword are double edged swords, dummy.
feral verge
the malleus monstrunum armor looks a little goofy without a hood. just looks like some tiny lady in big armor
leaden thunder
feral verge
small head looking ass
spice veldt
if you looked at yourself in the mirror, you would see me with my hands at the side
nice shoulderpads, poser
the higher tier psyker armours always looked a bit too thick for my preferences
feral verge
it looks sick, but yeah
olive ember
like i like the idea of "hey you are moving up in the world, heres some more armor"
spice veldt
got da best coats
near gale
I've only blown up twice so far in recent history
I had to break my streak of... like... idk even know how long it's been, honestly, since I last blew up... I had to blow myself up to unstuck myself... 😭
spice veldt
i've been there; having to blow myself to unstuck myself
olive ember
and yeah brain off malice moment
near gale
You're not as paranoid as I am xD
spice veldt
only happened once so far
spice veldt
i blow myself up with the trauma staff so much because I'm such a greedy motherfucker
near gale
My paranoia might potentially be detremental, but, honestly it pays off way more than it should.
feral verge
that when i switched to trauma i been blowing up a bit
spice veldt
surely I will press LMB at the correct timing at 99% instead of 100%
devout axle
vet is boring, except that jungle armor i nthe store
Excuse me, I love my bomber jacket.
feral verge
puffy lookin ass
near gale
I think it looks kinda cool
feral verge
it does look cool
near gale
not very practical, but, cool
feral verge
but it do be puffy
spice veldt
best jacket to bring to smelter complex
feral verge
that helmet with the jungle armor is THE fit for the vet
near gale
but it do be puffy
Gotta absorb the verbal abuse from your teammates somehow xD
Honestly I prefer my vet to not have a helmet that abscures her hair... but that's probably because my vet is a female...
devout axle
Helmet legit has the same regiment logo as the jacket.
near gale
yoo melkies is refreshing soon
Incoming amazing loot! utter dissapointment...
rich rose
Hate the trauma especially if I am on another toon and the psyker is using it
spice veldt
i also hate other trauma users, but that's cuz I melee a lot
mfers throwing enemies around and making me lose my slaughterer stacks
rich rose
on the Psyker I only use void or surge
near gale
Hate the trauma especially if I am on another toon and the psyker is using it
I have had a few competent trauma staff users, in my games... not a lot, but, a few.
feral verge
when i use trauma, i try to put the explosion infront of the enemy, not in them
so it doesnt flying them behind the melee dood
rich rose
when i use trauma, i try to put the explosion infront of the enemy, not in them
You are one of the FEW
spice veldt
i only use trauma for mixed hordes/elites, shooters, or if I'm the last player standing
or it's hab dreyko
feral verge
i think trauma is the ultimate staff for a melee oriented psyker
near gale
when i use trauma, i try to put the explosion infront of the enemy, not in them
Wait you mean put the center of the explosion in front of them?
ember hornet
when i use trauma, i try to put the explosion infront of the enemy, not in them
you just need to combo with a hammer, send them into a hammer heavy so they can know who is boss
ember hornet
I like the second one if you have vets, just surround them and watch them flail around
spice veldt
a vet was stuck in a corner and i've cleared them with a single trauma blast
was a pretty feel good moment for the CC of trauma to be useful
feral verge
trauma is the clutch staff
ember hornet
rending and warp flurry, makes sense
feral verge
the only thing wrong with that staff is unyielding. it's not useless, but i think i'd prefer flak or unarmored damage
ember hornet
quell is dump?
spice veldt
feral verge
yeah i see quell as dump
spice veldt
nah; quell is pretty important to me
feral verge
but i wouldnt mind a little high quell for a little lower warp resist
spice veldt
since its a staff where most of the peril comes from charging it
feral verge
eitherway, damage, charge rate and blast radius are too important
spice veldt
damage is the dumpstat to me since you can usually hit the damage breakpoints with +unarmoured and warp charges
ember hornet
Thanks for all extra effort for screenshots Arco, but I only meant to ask for the weapon
spice veldt
you did say loadout
ember hornet
I realized that after lol
spice veldt
i had that image prepped in case somebody asked for it
to spread my force sword + trauma propaganda
ember hornet
I love force sword
feral verge
AND THE V OID
spice veldt
i have a trauma staff with better base stats, but it doesn't have focused channelling so I don't like it
I really like focused channelling for the hit-trade potential
feral verge
simply roll good
it really do be that simple af
spice veldt
mfing anti-boss TH
ember hornet
I proved you can 2 shot a DH yesterday
spice veldt
and a fucking t4 slaughterer
feral verge
if it were me
i'd take flak damage off
cuz when slaughterer damage is on everything is dying
except
muties
ember hornet
if you get martyrdom stacks, bring a flamer to abuse burn for slaughterer, bring an ogryn
DH 2 shot no problem
lol
I think 1 hit was for 17-18k
feral verge
2 more minutes and then its LOOT GET
feral verge
yeah pretty sure i have
sonic coral
which one is the good devil's claw again
sonic coral
fair
long osprey
If I get 100% cleave on hit and my weapon cleave is like 3.9, do I get 5.8 at the end or it doesn’t work like that?
7.8*
cyan notch
If I get 100% cleave on hit and my weapon cleave is like 3.9, do I get 5.8 at th...
yea 7.8
long osprey
So I’d be able to hit 7 pox walkers without damage falloff?
olive ember
So I’d be able to hit 7 pox walkers without damage falloff?
cleave is how many enemies it can hit
but the damage falloff is fixed
what that means is that if you have lets say a heavy attack that does 100/50/25/0 what that means is that the first three targets will take 100, 50, 25, and then from the 4th enemy on it will not do any damage
it depends on weapon tho
sometimes cleave is good since it lets you kill alot more targets
other times cleave literally just means you can slap more targets, but you don't actually do any more damage to em
wide tiger
Grabbed a lacerate tier 4 blessing on my vet for 1.8k melkbucks
still hesitant buying anything from the shop, did they fix it?
clever lynx
Hi. What perks and blessings for the Antax?
long osprey
Where do you see that
olive ember
Hi. What perks and blessings for the Antax?
brutal momentum is the important one
and then ideally headtaker
tho apparently decimator also works
and limbsplitter is meh but its not the worst
shut willow
wow he's actually selling a not terrible staff
Speak for yourself - I haven't seen staves in days now 😄
ornate hamlet
this is a multiplier on top of power, not additive
cyan notch
cuz fatshark
wide tiger
this is a multiplier on top of power, not additive
yeah but not really... what im talking about
cyan notch
just like slaughterer on fs has lower duration
viral solstice
theyre setting rampage values based on a trained bird
ornate hamlet
cyan notch
and cuz power sword was underpowered they gave slaughterer on it 3.5s
ornate hamlet
note, there's been people complaining about that perk only activating on horde units
i never personally used it, so i dunno
wide tiger
Well, for power sword, there are far better blessings then rampage
chainsword though, blessing pool is pretty bad
ornate hamlet
wide tiger
NO WE CANT lol
olive ember
Its powercycler + slaughterer for power sword I thought
ornate hamlet
trauma staff vs 2 vets
it's not hard to outperform most vet players with any build tbh
cyan notch
trauma staff poggers
ornate hamlet
well, i still think void sux compared to purg, surg and even trauma
it just doesn't do enough cc or damage imo
ornate hamlet
it has range, it sucks at everything else
feral verge
i like duelling sword mk 4 and force sword
ornate hamlet
"best" melee wep to compliment void?
i'd say it's up to the player's preference honestly
there's a lot that could work well with it
i'd personally probably just use MK V combat axe
viral solstice
300k in 30mins is about my calibration for a non-warp flurry voidstrike game
so yeah idk
assuming non-low or hi
ornate hamlet
void is just not my thing
if you're with "cautious" team that is going pretty slowly through the mission, being super thorough grabbing every material on the whole map, it can be good
if you're with a team that is going quickly through and taking on larger numbers of enemies attacking them from every angle and shit, sort of rushing, it's not good
i'm going for quicker mission clears, and i think purg is better for that
it's certainly much better at providing better all around defense for your group, whereas void shines at longer ranges and especially when enemies are pushing you from mostly just 1 or 2 angles or hallways
rocky cedar
ornate hamlet
one of my fav groups - tho i don't often get this group - is when it's me using purg, a zealot using flamer, 1 vet who's actually not a shit player (rare af), and 1 shield ogryn
viral solstice
it out there doin n level techmaology
lethal folio
Cool fireaxe
ornate hamlet
it excels at heavy attack spam
check that link for full breakdown comparison when spamming heavy attacking using combat axes MK II, MK VIII, and MK V
including images showing values
viral solstice
its just a notorious in-joke because the axe has very strange behaviour in how it chooses what area of enemies it hits
when u hit them
very goofy
ornate hamlet
yes, the problem with MK II combat axe is it's hit registration when you're trying to hit weak spot
it prioritizes hitting body instead of head
so it takes a lot of practice, and you really have to get UP CLOSE to make it hit weakspots
viral solstice
well
ornate hamlet
sometimes, even jumping when you swing is needed to make it hit weakspots, which really sucks lol
ornate hamlet
so it's fair to argue that MK VIII is better than MK II, but technically MK II has the most DPS potential on single target
if you can make it work
personally, i prefer MK II over MK VIII because of it's attack speed and less recovery time when spamming heavy attack
but yes it's difficult to make it connect with weakspots
ornate hamlet
it used to 1 shot mutants randomly with light attack too, but fatshark fixed that bug
(which was funny af)
there were times when we'd have 2 muties charging one of my allies at the same time and i light attack 1 shot each of them before either of them even made it to my ally, and my team was like "dude wtf?"
"are you hacking?"
and i honestly couldn't even give them an explanation as to why it did that much damage
lethal folio
If torso priority gets resolved then Rashad become just a better Antax.
ornate hamlet
If torso priority gets resolved then Rashad become just a better Antax.
antax will still be better for horde clear
antax is MK V
MK II and MK VIII will always be significantly faster at taking down beefier enemies, and MK V will always be significantly better at horde clear
lethal folio
I am aware
ionic frost
@olive ember So +200% cleave does nothing if you already ignore enemy hit mass from something? No damage boost for the cleave other than power/damage?
ornate hamlet
i think the torso priority is intentional and will never change
cyan notch
the only thing better that antax has is the push attack
ornate hamlet
<@297801006182432778> So +200% cleave does nothing if you already ignore enemy h...
you only need 50% or higher on cleave stat
lethal folio
Antax doesn't have stronger horde damage, they have the same patterns
Torso priority is intentional, it's a specific override put on the weapon templates.
ornate hamlet
Antax doesn't have stronger horde damage, they have the same patterns
it has a different effect because of the stagger, it pushes enemies around that it cleaved, it feels very different when using on horde
ionic frost
Doesn't Antax have a wider horizontal Push-Attack arc?
lethal folio
They have the same damage profile.
ornate hamlet
when i use MK II, i literally just light attack, if there's too much horde to just light attack, i mix block push in once every 2 or 3 light attacks
but i use purg, so
i'm almost always just using purg on horde
lethal folio
Rashad just has finesse stat boosting it.
ornate hamlet
axe when i need to single our a special or elite
cyan notch
rashad push attack does a lot less than antax
ornate hamlet
yep
cyan notch
its falloff is horrendous too
lethal folio
You aren't using push attack for either with BM.
ornate hamlet
MK II will be better at dealing with small numbers of enemies, trickling at you
MK V is way better at dealing with large numbers
but Purg is even better
near gale
I upgraded my purple staff from earlier up and this is the blessing it got. :3
lethal folio
Rashad has the same patterns, but swings faster and does more headshot damage because of finesse.
It is only Torso Priority holding it back.
ornate hamlet
I upgraded my purple staff from earlier up and this is the blessing it got. :3
terrifying barrage is overrated but it's ok to have it on surge, since surge sux at dealing with horde
just be glad you didn't get run n gun
leaden thunder
terrifying is like, I won't say no, but i'd rather have something better
you know
near gale
It is only Torso Priority holding it back.
And Crab mastered the headshot art with it. x.x
cyan notch
You aren't using push attack for either with BM.
yeah you are for ragers
ornate hamlet
with purg+axe, ragers are a laugh
purg staggers them with light attack, and MK II destroys them super quickly
ornate hamlet
right, i'm staggering them before they can even attack, and i'm killing them with axe before they can even recover from the initial purg stagger
they literally don't even get to attack
long wharf
Rashad has the same patterns, but swings faster and does more headshot damage be...
just wait until FartShart fixes antax by switching Cleave to Finesse
that's been acknowledged as a bug
long wharf
really?
cyan notch
long wharf
aw
ornate hamlet
the other thing is, it's really easy to dodge time ragers
i can sit there spamming heavy attack on a crusher (which is also staggering it), while dodge timing ragers that are trying to hit me
spice veldt
ragers have a decent delay between their combo attacks and i'm 99% sure that our melee range is longer than theirs
feral verge
the rare t3 blessing in shop
elder rain
One message removed from a suspended account.
feral verge
shield ogryn
long wharf
elder rain
shield ogryn
One message removed from a suspended account.
olive ember
ragers have a decent delay between their combo attacks and i'm 99% sure that our...
decent delay? its like a second
feral verge
make a premade group
feral verge
make sure someone in that group is an ogryn with a shield
olive ember
feral verge
ogrny with shield draws boss agro, and lets boss wail on shield
you BB until boss is dead
olive ember
gotta love when the game gives me this as the emp gift
elder rain
you BB until boss is dead
One message removed from a suspended account.
feral verge
demon host is the best boss to do it with because they will only attack whoever aggro'd them
yes
elder rain
One message removed from a suspended account.
olive ember
if you have other players
delicate smelt
Get force sword with deflector and stack block efficiency , and kinetic deflection you won't even need to dodge them
olive ember
they should be keeping watch for hordes n stuff
its especially scary if a disabler comes and tries to screw your ogryn over
feral verge
the penance on paper is actually pretty easyt. it's jsut you p much need a group who wants to play ball, and you need good boss rng
cyan notch
You aren't using push attack for either with BM.
if u have a mixed horde with a bunch of ragers and maulers you definitely want to put in some push attacks cuz those stagger them out of their combos and even crusher overheads and with BM you get much more control in a mixed horde
olive ember
the penance on paper is actually pretty easyt. it's jsut you p much need a group...
tbf thats because they added daemonhosts
prior to that it was aids cuz the next easiest one was the pogryn
which changes aggro
viral solstice
You aren't using push attack for either with BM.
tbf using bm on rashad is makin life hard in other ways tho
elder rain
One message removed from a suspended account.
olive ember
so you can imagine trying to sit there kiting an ogryn around on heresy or damnation
out with a bang is the suicidal one
feral verge
One message removed from a suspended account.
that's a pain in the ass
once again, best done with a premade group
again preferably with a shield ogryn or two
olive ember
there have been peopel whove done out with a bang by accident tho
on higher difficulties its not impossible to get lucky and go boom into a group of 3
but yeah easiest way is to go into malice
get a group
shove a bunch of shotgunners in a corner
feral verge
gather gunners or shotgunners on malice difficulty, push them all together in a corner, or 1 way room
then go boom
olive ember
^^
cyan notch
commsplex mid event is pretty reliable
cyan notch
theres always gunners and shotgunner spawns
olive ember
I mean its not even that hard
feral verge
because one of them got killed byt kinetic flayer
olive ember
you can just start a mission over and over again
olive ember
cuz there are some maps where theres just a bunch of shotgunners at the start of the map
feral verge
but because the boom itself can stil ltrigger kinetic flayer
lethal folio
Just checked, Rashad and Antax have the same stagger on push attack
cyan notch
yea just that rashad push attack has worse damage and much harsher falloff and less default cleave but its not too big a deal since its mainly for stagger
feral verge
man, if and when red tier weapons come out
i really wanna build a true mega crit saber
riposte, shred, precog (ik lol) , crit chance, crit dmg perks
spice veldt
speak not the devil (precog)
feral verge
lol
spice veldt
i'd just be happy that staffs finally unlock 100% quell speed because of how it scales
feral verge
yee
spice veldt
if we become able to increase the stats on an existing weapon, then quell speed is the first stat that I'm bumping up on my weapons
because seeing that 66% in the inspection of an 80% quell speed staff mildly irritates me so much
feral verge
i'd do charge speed first