psyker-class

[still hearth]

While Antax you can just chop

[olive ember]

Idk if they get rid of BM on antax then it goes straight down

[still hearth]

Yes

[olive ember]

You can hit like 2 targets with the lights on the antax

[rocky cedar]

If BM was straight removed I guess you'd be running HT + decimator which is kind of a damage buff in a way

[olive ember]

Doesn’t matter since cleave

I’m not taking an antax for the single target

I’ll tell you that much

[still hearth]

Well you should be

[olive ember]

Meh

[rocky cedar]

You'd still very much consider it with like Purg

[still hearth]

That's how the axes are

Then they added a broken blessing

[olive ember]

I’d rather just use a FS

[rocky cedar]

I'd still consider it with autopistol

[still hearth]

[rocky cedar]

Head taker + decimator + warp charges is a LOT of single target damage

Or even HT + Thrust potentially

[olive ember]

I’d rather just use another axe at that point ngl

[still hearth]

That's fine

[rocky cedar]

I've been considering making a HT + Thrust axe to see how it would be as is

[olive ember]

I don’t bring melees for single target in general tbh

Except the FS

So yeah getting rid of BM would mean I’d move to some garbage like the shovel on vet I guess

[cyan notch]

why not power sword

[olive ember]

Because I fucking hate how the power sword plays

[rocky cedar]

I'd like to see Claw buffed a bit

[olive ember]

Idk it feels jank as shit, boring as shit, and yet I play worse with it then I do with the FS cuz the shitty charge every few swings screws me

[still hearth]

Claw is like

Antax but bad

It wants to do everything

But it does it poorly

[olive ember]

I mean it can’t deal with carapace, or even flak

I wouldn’t even say it wants to do everything

It wants to do one thing which is horde clear

And it can’t even do that

[still hearth]

It has so many strikedown attacks

For no reason

[rocky cedar]

It's solid on maniac and flak

[still hearth]

And the parry thing is like a 1v1 option

[rocky cedar]

It should just be a bit better against hordes than it is

[still hearth]

Since you can't parry more than one attack at a time

Claw has some serious impact on swings though

It'll stagger hordes nicely so you can slowly chip away at them

[rocky cedar]

If devastating hadn't been nerfed I'd consider in on Vet

[olive ember]

It acts more like a hammer except hammer has better cleave and impact and a useable special

[rocky cedar]

Could theoretically get decent DS if it still had a duration due to his crit chance

[cyan notch]

with shred

spamming heavy on mk1

ez mode

[olive ember]

Actually tbh if Antax gets nerfed hard it just means I play less classes

Cuz currently it’s the only melee weapon I like on vet lmao

[cyan notch]

doubt theyre gonna nerf it

[olive ember]

I use the FS on all my psykers so yeah

Except las pistol psyker but that’s a complete meme

Well either way we can only wait

What you think will be coming in the next major patch LateMarchTM

[cyan notch]

no idea

waiting for next thursdays comm link

[uneven drift]

As i said, power dildo for psykers so they can entertain themself while jerking to another psyker.

[forest coral]

Hi fellow psykers, what’s going o-

[ornate hamlet]

hey

whats teh best staff to run?

[near wyvern]

any with a run and gun, you never have to stop running

kek

[ornate hamlet]

please dont be cringe

[near wyvern]

purge is the over performant of the 4

all are usable

surge is a support cc stick

[forest coral]

Purge horde control and just general best option

[near wyvern]

void and surge fall off a bit at damantion hi

[forest coral]

Void if you can headshot/ map have long open areas

[near wyvern]

but other than that all usable

[forest coral]

Trauma is like… weird Jack of all trades, arguably more reliable than surge as cc stuck in hi intense

[summer prairie]

I don't think so, hi damnation likes to spawn double disablers, so you can get double mutants and hounds at the same time

[cyan notch]

i think i got like 4 mutants once

[summer prairie]

yes

[cyan notch]

pretty funny (not pretty funny)

[forest coral]

4 pox bursters at once through a door right next to team

[still hearth]

That's' the ideal situation for Trauma

[near gale]

Is this dueling sword 5 any good? It's in Melk's shop

[still hearth]

Bang, poxbursters gone.

[forest coral]

The perks and blessings kinda rip

Otherwise stats are good

[near gale]

At least the 20% block efficiency helps with block peril, at the very least

[still hearth]

Riposte okay

Precog bad

Crit damage bad

[near gale]

So reroll Precog, got it.

[still hearth]

Block eff meme

[near gale]

Crit damage is easily rerolled to something like flak damage or maniac damage >.>

[still hearth]

Yeah I mean its fine

Though low modifier roll

So idk if I'd buy it

Depends on how rich you are

[near gale]

Block Efficiency is at least somewhat useful. Not for stamina, but, for peril generated

[forest coral]

Maniac would be my choice for it but I think it’s preference in this case

Can 2-3 shot most things with the heavy attack in damnation

[near gale]

I'm kinda poor, I only have 915 melk bucks... but I have 2290 more coming from the 3 contracts I have left and the 1k for all 5.

[summer prairie]

don't buy it then

[near gale]

I would have had more, but, I used most of my previous amount of melk bucks to get the t3 lacerate for my zealot. xD

[cyan notch]

nah its pretty mid

ideally youd want high def low mob

[edgy heart]

What exactly is defense?

[still hearth]

Push and sprint cost I think

[obtuse moth]

hit v and then on the botttom hover over the defense stat bar

[edgy heart]

I'm not in the game rn, that's why I'm asking. Thanks for the pic

[summer prairie]

Also block cost, but not shown

[still hearth]

Wait

It affects block cost?

Without telling you??

[summer prairie]

Yes

[still hearth]

Lmao

Doesn't change much in my eyes but that's funny.

[edgy heart]

It does say it affects stamina efficiency

[near wyvern]

the game has a lot of hidden variables, for example it doesn't telly you which resistance types have an armour modifier (that can be affected with rending)

[still hearth]

All of them do though.

At least I'm pretty sure that's a thing that's just a messy situation with certain things and rending should work on all armour types.

[still hearth]

Assuming you meant this based on the soulblaze damage with rending?

[near wyvern]

it depends from weapon to weapon and attack to attack

as an example, rending does nothing with combat blade vs unyielding but it does increase the damage of devil's claw against unyielding

BB and soulblaze only have armour modifiers vs crushers

[still hearth]

Ye but Knife does 100% to Unyielding already

[near wyvern]

yes but some weapons that for example do not do their full damage against flak or maniac will still not benefit from rending

[still hearth]

Do you have any examples?

[near wyvern]

because someone thought it would be a good idea to have a resistance and an armour modifier and not tell the players which one is it and how much, but still have this buffs

lemme log in and check for a weapon

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-ronburgundy-confused-doesnt-make-sene-nonsense-gif-4246032

[median elk]

Dodge distance mostly

If the defence is low why even bother with mk5?

[near wyvern]

ok I take that back, it seems weapons indeed do not have hidden modifiers

so it's only for soulblaze but possibly for burn and bleed as well

and then there are the explosion hidden modifiers for explosive weapons as well

[faint vault]

Looking for some input on terrifying barrage on a purg staff. Does it actually do much? Doesn't seem to.

[median elk]

I'm not sure but it terrifyes enemies behind my back too.

It may be just the basic staff suppression tho

[still hearth]

I think someone explained this

And its actually that Soulbalze does over 100% damage

To most armor types

[faint vault]

Hard to test in the psykinarium.

[near wyvern]

incorrect

or I mean it could be correct BUT

[still hearth]

Well it doesn't increase on certain ones

Because those already take 100% or more

Would make sense

[near wyvern]

the damage formula wouldn't be in line with the code leaks

how I found it was that flack has a "flammability" of 1.0, the rest have this value as 0.625, 0.75 and so on

and on top of that crusher has an armour modifier of 0.1

while rest have 1.0

the base_damage formula was hinted by the code leaks and I confirmed it with testing to be true

[still hearth]

Hmm

I won't say I know enough about the code to make any claims there.

[near wyvern]

the formula I have there does nothing with rending if armour_mod is not below 1.0

which is inline with how rending works

[lethal folio]

What the fuck nonsense is that table.

[near wyvern]

?

wdym

[lethal folio]

local burninating_adm = {
[armor_types.unarmored] = 1.5,
[armor_types.armored] = 2,
[armor_types.resistant] = 1.5,
[armor_types.player] = 0.125,
[armor_types.berserker] = 1,
[armor_types.super_armor] = 0.1,
[armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = 1.25,
[armor_types.void_shield] = 1,
[armor_types.prop_armor] = 0.75

[summer prairie]

so his table just has them halved

[topaz tiger]

Fine as it is? Or would u change blessing/perk?

[summer prairie]

Is assault_warpfire_armor_mod just for the non-dot damage of purg

[near wyvern]

or in other words crusher is the base, but this doesn't explain the 500 base dmage that was found in the leaked code for soulblaze stacks (at 31)

so this might indeed be for the direct damage portion

[summer prairie]

Anyone has access to all the lua just from the local files if you run two utilities

Tyr's values are definitely for the dot, I was talking about a different table

[near wyvern]

for the burning dot or the soulblaze dot?

[summer prairie]

both

[near wyvern]

is the base damage formula in the code still x * x * (3-2 * x) * 500 ? cause it should be lowered to 250 in this case

otherwise it makes zero sense and doesn't line up with the damage numbers in the game

[near wyvern]

this is not in line with the values posted by Tyr

[summer prairie]

I know your table makes your formula match the observed values

but something else is probably off

[near wyvern]

there must be a hidden multiplier of 0.5 somewhere

otherwise the values by tyr inserted into that formula in the code will yield double the damage than what is observed

is it a bug??? xD

should blaze do double the damage it actually does?

[still hearth]

Please fix bug Fatshark

Make Purge 2x as strong

[summer prairie]

Does flamer do identical damage with same stacks

[near wyvern]

no idea, never tested

let me hop in to check

[zealous sierra]

blessing steal?

[near wyvern]

flamer does more against unyielding than soulblaze

flamer does more against crusher than soulblaze

[steel flame]

Part of me really wants bigger soulblaze damage numbers, but another part of me realizes that could get really out of hand

[summer prairie]

how much more

[near wyvern]

well, I dont't hive to give you the accurate answer to that, but the approximate answer is for example against maniacs, 11 stacks of soulblaze shows 73 damage per tick in ui where as for flamer 11 stacks does 116 damage per tick.

the amount may also change by armour type variation

[summer prairie]

Ok, it's 1.6 as I expected

[near wyvern]

and also, flamer has the same thing as purg, if you crit on the last application you will get one extra stack on the enemy

[lethal folio]

Warpfire has half the default power level of 500

[near wyvern]

there we have it, the hidden 250

[lethal folio]

500 is the normal power level of everything. it get ratioed to that.

[near wyvern]

so updating guide once more tomorrow :/

then I still need to solve the double perk thingy and when that is done I can get rid of the approximate name in the formula and call it accurate

[steel flame]

Oh I remembered something

[still hearth]

So flamer does 150 more damage than purge

(Except that's not even possible atm)

[summer prairie]

1.6 times more and tics more frequently

[still hearth]

Flamer supremacy

[forest coral]

(Haha take that psykers)

[still hearth]

But Psyker can reach more stacks so idk

Acutally

[forest coral]

acksually

[still hearth]

How does Wrack and Ruin work on bosses?

[summer prairie]

it doesn't

[still hearth]

Of course

[leaden thunder]

[still hearth]

Thanks for giving it

No niche

[summer prairie]

unless you have elites next to it I guess

[still hearth]

At all

[lethal folio]

You can use kinetic overload to maximise soulblaze stacks

[steel flame]

Infernus kinda being weird. I get it to proc on every crit in training range but I can't get it to proc nearly as often in actual missions. I dunno if it's lag or if I'm just getting unlucky with crits missing or what

[still hearth]

I tried to get use of it in a game last night and man

I didn't get to kill anything

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/diagnosis-skill-issue-diagnosis-skill-issue-draker-discord-gif-22231351

[summer prairie]

KO is too slow even if you take the boss to 31

[leaden thunder]

wait

[summer prairie]

it's worse dps than just hitting with your melee while maintaining 15 stacks

[leaden thunder]

why is that gif not the same one as mine

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[cyan notch]

theres a bunch of gifs

[lethal folio]

Wrack is pretty good in situations where you have some kind of elite patrol.

[summer prairie]

Yes

[lethal folio]

Any crusher you wrack twice and it clears his buddies.

[near wyvern]

until the vet decides to shoot on sight killing the elite and scattering the minions

[cyan notch]

if u have a horde with a monster and u are flaming them kinetic overload can probably stack up quick

although u gotta be in 15m

[still hearth]

Does it even prioritize monstrosities

[summer prairie]

it does

but it's still not particularly great dps on the boss

[near wyvern]

the only thing this happens consistenly is with the assasination missions

[summer prairie]

but if you are dealing with a horde, it's decent

[steel flame]

How do crits work on lasguns because infernus is driving me crazy on laspistol. I should be able to keep shit permanently on fire with the 25% crit chance on laspistol, but in practice I can barely get it to proc period

[near wyvern]

you shoot, the game rolls the dice, you crit or you don't crit

[near wyvern]

you sure about this, what's the fire rate?

[leaden thunder]

I often kill things on the infernus proc on the laspistol

[still hearth]

I don't think laspistol has anything special with its crits.

Aside from huge damage

[lethal folio]

Infernus laspistol performs excellently for me.

[steel flame]

I can shoot almost 100 shots and only proc infernus twice on a monster......with a 25% crit chance. How da hell does that math out

[leaden thunder]

simply a skill issue

[near wyvern]

at times the visual bugs out

[leaden thunder]

not getting crits

smh

[steel flame]

Fair

[near wyvern]

if you have healthbar mod on that should help to notice

[steel flame]

I'll rng harder then

[leaden thunder]

[steel flame]

If it's a visual issue that might explain it

Wish we had a way to see damage numbers on a boss

[near wyvern]

healthbar mod

and there you have it

altho it will show everyone's damage on the boss

[steel flame]

Does it actually conver mosters? I'll have to look through the menu

[near wyvern]

I would need someone in a private game actually to test out how different soulblazes stack

[steel flame]

If so, dope

[summer prairie]

it's off by default because there's already a health bar

[near wyvern]

like if you have 2 psykers, one has +armour other doesn't

both hit with soulblaze

[summer prairie]

but you only get the damage information if you enable it for the mod

[near wyvern]

how does that work

[steel flame]

Lol

[near wyvern]

yeah you need to enable the boss bars, they are off by default

[steel flame]

Do psykers have their own max caps or do the stacks share same cap

[summer prairie]

for what

[steel flame]

Soulblaze

[summer prairie]

both are max 31 but flamer can't get there

[steel flame]

Well purge tooltip says 16 at 80%

[summer prairie]

sure

[cyan notch]

yea ive been trying to see it with other random psykers but its hard to tell with all the damage stacking

[near wyvern]

that's the limit for the staff

not for the soulblaze

[still hearth]

Oh yeah I was going to do that

[near wyvern]

you EU or something else?

[cyan notch]

asia

[steel flame]

So if you apply 9 stacks with wrack, can you only add 7 more with staff or can you push total active stacks to 21

[near wyvern]

any EU player here wishes to test some psyker shit on Saturday evening? xD

[summer prairie]

only wrack can get over the cap so you have to reverse the order

[near wyvern]

staff cannot apply more than what the burn thingy says

[still hearth]

Doesn't AB also do it?

[near wyvern]

so for max stacks you max out staff first then get blaze by other means

[summer prairie]

well not only, but in this case only

[still hearth]

[near wyvern]

staff also cannot refresh stacks larger than the count on it

the only thing that can is FS blazing spirit (refreshes but doesnt add more than the cap) unless they have stealth patched that one

[steel flame]

So other stacks from other psykers count towards your staff soulblaze count?

[near wyvern]

cannot answer that without someone helping me to test

[steel flame]

I'm down

[near wyvern]

Saturday evening, 21 CET

I will be online and available for testing

for like 4 hours

[steel flame]

Not in EU but I do live with nightshift so just as good

[near wyvern]

xD

[river sand]

Ladies, big question. Voidstrike Flurry + transfer peril. Warp Unleashed vs Inner Tranq - tranq lets negates your peril generation as long as you hit 1 head, warp unleashed is nice dmg boost. I need some input

[leaden thunder]

on void

[near wyvern]

if you have a good transfer peril, go warp unleashed you quell a shitton on hordes anyways and void has very little peril generation to begin with

[leaden thunder]

warp unleashed imo

it's 10% more damage even at 0% peril so it's decent

[near wyvern]

it's for those moments when you want to keep a gunner down while mowing down horde

warp stacks + warp unleashed stacks up and can make it 1 or 2 less balls to kill the elite

obviously if you need something to be deleted absolutely now you use BB

[leaden thunder]

also probably reduces the needed charge to 1 shot poxies

[still hearth]

I can't live without Inner Tranq

[leaden thunder]

but that's hard to figure out on the fly (at least for me)

[still hearth]

The BB cost is too damn high

[summer prairie]

with barrage?

[near wyvern]

my BB says hello at 97, also quietitude doesn't mind large peril costs

[river sand]

the amount of bb's you get out with barrage and 6 stacks is quite a factor too

and theres not always a horde, with tranq you can hunt shooters endlessly

[near wyvern]

my void build currently is:

• quietitude
• warp unleashed
• cerebral lacerations
• kinetic deflection
• kinetic flayer
• kinetic barrage

[still hearth]

Inner Tranq + Barrage feels very nice. But you can definitely just

[near wyvern]

void to delete horde, kinetic barrage to delete the specials accross the map, cerebral lacerations for deleting bulwarks always in 2 BB and kinetic flayer because at times you shoot an elite with void and it fucking dies

[still hearth]

Have Transfer Peril on Void

And be fine anyway

Also I'm going to build the dumb All or Nothing Voidstrike soon

Lets go

[river sand]

all or nothing ?

[still hearth]

It applies the Power to all your actions

So you have it on an Axe or something

[river sand]

hmmm

[still hearth]

And then Voidstrike can cleave 1 more poxwalker at full charge

[near wyvern]

omegalul

[still hearth]

Is it worth it? Probably not.

But it sounds funny

[river sand]

but you have to use a shitty axe

[still hearth]

You guys use your melees?

[river sand]

knife slide for life

[near wyvern]

is it really +5% power?

games lantern does not always tell the truth

[summer prairie]

it is

[near wyvern]

+5%

that's like

[safe crystal]

It did affect the damage, it was 705 with and 684 without iirc

[near wyvern]

1 warp charge

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-slowclap-notimpressed-gif-8195521

[river sand]

its 5% if you got your staff, a but 25 if you stack it with axe right ?

[still hearth]

Ye but its also Power

No its 5% at max

It goes from 0% to whatever it says it is

[river sand]

i thought its just the wording "5 stacks" thats missing

[safe crystal]

Punishing people who run + stam curios

[summer prairie]

yes and no

[still hearth]

You get more out of the blessing

[near wyvern]

705/684 = 1.03, +3%

[still hearth]

But the blessing is so insignificant

Idk if they tested it with a Tier 4 though

[safe crystal]

I had a T3

[still hearth]

That should've been 4% then but

Who knows how the game works

[near wyvern]

the numbers were their recollection so might not be accurate damage values there

but magnitude is correct

[summer prairie]

the damage numbers are always rounded up

[near wyvern]

3% not 30%

[safe crystal]

I had the numbers here yesterday at some point, lemme check if i can find them

[summer prairie]

though that doesn't matter here

[safe crystal]

705 and 678

I was a bit off

[still hearth]

The YT video that showed it specifically showed it two-shotting crushers

With BB

And Laceration

[near wyvern]

705/678 = 1.0398 so +4%

[still hearth]

So it is correct

If All or Nothing was 5 stacks that would actually make it top tier.

[safe crystal]

These were, of course, full charges on reaper with this staff

[still hearth]

Though they'd remove the use case for it adding to your other stuff

[near wyvern]

that's actually interesting thing you brought up

[still hearth]

Since we can't have blessings like that

You hit a breakpoint with BB

And you also get more cleave on hordes

[safe crystal]

Its the missing 64 damage at 6 stacks lacerations

[still hearth]

So its not entirely useless

But you also have to run lacerations for the BP

And tbf I use my Voidstrike as a melee weapon anyway

Aside from chopping muties

[near wyvern]

the +5 % might be enough on some points to make it, since it's multiplicative

[river sand]

but we all agree there is no alternative to running warp battery ?

[near wyvern]

with 6 warp stacks you have a multiplier of 1.24
with 6 warp stacks and +5% power it's 1.302
with 6 warp stacks and CL you have 1.55 for follow up BBs
with 6 warp stacks , CL and +5% power you have 1.6275 for follow up BBs

so there might be some breakpoints met

even without wrack and ruin

which means you can get a warp charge

[near wyvern]

yes there is, kinetic flayer

[summer prairie]

6 stacks + wrack is enough to kill both ragers

and poxburster of course

[near wyvern]

but you don't get guaranteed stack

[still hearth]

You can one-shot burster

With 6 stacks and 4% power

[near wyvern]

interesting

only if Unstable Power would work passively as well

I could be sitting on 97-100 all day

[still hearth]

And also 2 shot Crushers

So T3 is enough for most BP it seems

[near wyvern]

with or without CL

[still hearth]

You also 2 shot Bulwarks but idk if you did that before

You need Lacerations for Crushers yes

[near wyvern]

you always 2 shot bulwarks if you have CL regardless of stacks

[still hearth]

Could you two-shot them without CL at 6 stacks before?

You can't one-shot flamers even with 5% I think

4% left them at around 84 HP

You do hit 3-BB on Mutants with CL

Just the fact that you can one-shot pox bursters is kinda worth it to me

[near wyvern]

will not be a one shot with +5%

didn't test but the math is not even close

[still hearth]

Yeah I figured.

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-on-you-gif-25797108

[near wyvern]

1433 should be the ui label with +5%

[still hearth]

It went from like 130 left to 84

[near wyvern]

and 6 stacks of course

but you can one shot them, 10% of the time

https://tenor.com/view/lightening-storm-electric-gif-9286716

[still hearth]

Well all you need is a quick staff blast

And you can BB them

I do LOVE that you can keep "sprinting" while charging BB

Except all it does is drain your stamina

And zoom out your game

[near wyvern]

6 stack and +5% should not one shot ragers

[cloud sequoia]

my best psyker

[near wyvern]

you would need +8% power to be able to one shot ragers at 6 stacks

[still hearth]

The upside is that the one-shot BP is so small you just need them to take any damage basically

[near wyvern]

yes

[still hearth]

But still

Sadge

[near wyvern]

this

[still hearth]

Basically my take is:
Worth because pox bombers die in one BB

[near wyvern]

and because crushers become 2 shot

[still hearth]

That's also very neat, though I find its much more rare that I am the only one killing crushers

All or Nothing does not let Voidstrike cleave one more poxwalker

Sadge

[leaden thunder]

[near wyvern]

with +5% power, CL and 6 stacks, you have:
One shot:

• Burster

Two shot:

• Bulwark
• Crusher
• Flamer
• Mauler
• Hound
• Rager

[still hearth]

Though you already 2 shot all but the Crusher without All or Nothing I believe.

[near wyvern]

no you don't

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-on-you-gif-25797108

[near wyvern]

with 6 stacks and CL Crusher is left with 63 HP

[still hearth]

That's

That's what I said

All except crusher were already 2-shots

Mutants being 3-shots is another BP for All or Nothing though

[wet jacinth]

Just give Psyker a Force Hammer

[still hearth]

Make it like a reverse Thunder Hammer

[wet jacinth]

One shot daemon host like lore

[near wyvern]

I am an illiterate

[wet jacinth]

[still hearth]

Words are just hallucinations anyways

[near wyvern]

that would turn the opinion around psykers

[wet jacinth]

(Funnily enough a friend told me Tham's in lore can destroy tanks and shit one shot)

[still hearth]

We clearly have barely functional ones

Built from scrap

[wet jacinth]

I still wait for Ogryns Great 2 handed Chain Power force Weapon

[near wyvern]

where is my two handed force cleaver

[wet jacinth]

To be fair. In lore it takes years of craftsmanship and mastery of force weapons iirc

[near wyvern]

special, activate to apply a stack of soulblaze on every hit

[still hearth]

Force Saber

[near wyvern]

buff lasts for 0.75 seconds and min swing speed is 1 second

[still hearth]

Legally distinct from the Light Saber

[toxic crater]

Do y’all think we’ll get the 2 handed force sword on psyker?

[wet jacinth]

I fear if they add dual force swords. All the fuckin Kiritos

[near wyvern]

I think Fatshark has been making very questionable design choices and I have no doubt they will continue doing so

that's what I think

[wet jacinth]

Isn't there one already in the files technically?

[toxic crater]

Yes

That’s why I’m askin

[still hearth]

Give Psyker throwing knives

[toxic crater]

2 handed chain axe, 2 handed power and force sword

[still hearth]

I mean content patch end of March

Lets go

[idle bay]

Kine Knifes like in Eisenhorn series

Telekinetic Stabby-stabby

[still hearth]

Its in the code

Release it

[idle bay]

They are not ready yet. They are not confident enough.
Signal for new stuff will be release of new cosmetics in cash shop.

Recent reviews at 50%
All time 54%.
I think they do it quite soon.

[near gale]

How good is this surge staff? It already has 25% flak and it has 80% warp resist and quell speed so it looks potentially good to me, but, idk.

[still hearth]

Crit is important for damage on Surge

[near gale]

Kind of wondered if that was a problem. I did notice how often it was critting, the last time I used it in the meat grinder.

I've been having a lot of fun using the 15% cd on elite kill from anyone in my coherency, instead of the 4% chance of warp charges from kills in my coherency. It does mean I have to manage my warp charges more, but, I am able to get my career back much faster and it just... it feels more fun, imo, currently.

[still hearth]

I'm starting to feel

That all feats on that tier

Are kind of whatever

The CDR is nice but sometimes it doesn't matter. The 4% is nice but sometimes doesn't do anything. The CL is good but often times my team hits things to the breakpoint anyway.

And I play so much with thunder hammer zealots that bosses aren't a problem

[near gale]

It helps even more since I also am using Kinetic Barrage so I can get a lot more brain bursts out, with less time spent vulnerable per cast

[echo turtle]

They are both really good if you’re built for it

The 4% triggers your regen frequently. and keeps stacks up. This is real good when running ascendant blaze in particular

[still hearth]

You can't really build around getting a 4% chance.

It just happens.

[echo turtle]

essence and AB both synergize well with it

[still hearth]

Essence

[echo turtle]

essence harvest rather

[still hearth]

Ew.

[echo turtle]

its the BiS

[still hearth]

That means every 5s I have to BB

Or run AB

Which means I don't take damage because I'm running Purge

[wet belfry]

Just having tons of damage stacks up constantly is pretty good.

[echo turtle]

If im not running blaze I’m running barrage

1 charhe generated is about the same as quelling. You aren’t generating charges between quells?

[wet belfry]

Warp unleashed is +10. Warp charges can reach to +24.

[rocky cedar]

I presume warp unleashed is additive with warp siphon yeah?

[still hearth]

Should be.

1 charge generated also takes 5s to get 30%. Quelling is faster and something I can do around a corner. And also doesn't fall when I BB a target and some other jerk takes the kill

But sure if you build around EH.

And you run Lacerations too

[wet belfry]

My aim right now is to stack all the damage buffs with a force sword that is running executor and slaughterer.

It should give it an insane damage modifer.

[rocky cedar]

Unstable might be more reliable than executor?

[ornate hamlet]

this is actually terrible.
in fact, you should just ignore blues in the shop because they always come with trash blessing btw

[leaden thunder]

generally

at least

I have seen a couple of t3s

[ornate hamlet]

ok, almost always come with trash blessing

[leaden thunder]

granted

they where shitty t3s as well

[azure goblet]

im actually wondering about that

[leaden thunder]

all or nothing

[azure goblet]

b.c the first perk and blessing i consecrate are always trash anyways

[rocky cedar]

Did you see the all or nothing BB talk before Sean?

[leaden thunder]

it wasn't on my psyker

[ornate hamlet]

you're going to get run n gun if you upgrade it anyway

i get run n gun fucking EVERY time i swear

[leaden thunder]

but I only glanced at the talk

does all or nothing buff BBs

[rocky cedar]

It applies to everything weirdly

[leaden thunder]

that's funny

[rocky cedar]

Ranged too

[leaden thunder]

still not great

but it has potential if they make it more then 5% power

[rocky cedar]

It's gives you just enough to 2 shot crushers

[echo turtle]

its “faster” but what is better. 60% over 10 seconds or 40% real quick?

over a prolonged engagement getting that 60% over and over again wins out

[leaden thunder]

[rocky cedar]

With CL and WB

Still not really worth the blessing slot

[echo turtle]

At least the way i play I get significantly more total regen from Harvest.

[rocky cedar]

But kinda a neat break point

[still hearth]

Didn't work out for me but I'm not against it.

[echo turtle]

Harvest can also proc when you aren’t actively cycling, sush as in melee etc

Yeah depends on the weapons and builds too

like running fire, No contest

running something like surge, it can rack up a lot of perils

[rocky cedar]

Harvest doesn't stack so for quick consecutive KB BBs quietude probably isn't far behind in total healing

[echo turtle]

KB and aura though is absolutely money. That build though only shines if you are doing lots of bursting

[vestal rose]

yo hold up all or nothing lets me two shot crushers??

this is huge for the "stare at your hands" build
all my teammates will love me

[echo turtle]

whaaaat

[rocky cedar]

I enjoy essence harvest for my auto Pistol build with communion and flayer, it's just very automatic and you kill a lot fast so communion does a lot of work

[echo turtle]

harvest is the only choice for gun builds I think

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

gun builds

[echo turtle]

pffft

guns are dope

[rocky cedar]

Game is easy and guns are effective

[vestal rose]

we're several months in with no real content
gotta get your kicks somehow

[leaden thunder]

autopistol good

[echo turtle]

same with headhunters

[rocky cedar]

No need to be elitist about what people run

[leaden thunder]

also, the colomnus might be kinda legit if you can hit heads

[rocky cedar]

Unless it's shieldgryn

[echo turtle]

Yeah fuck those guys

[leaden thunder]

after some like very basic testing the colmnus rips if you hit headshots

[ornate hamlet]

i personally like running with a shield orgyn, when there's more than 1 tho, it's time to kick

[echo turtle]

wouldn’t the Headhunter be even better if you’re gonna get headshot tho?

[leaden thunder]

still very not ammo efficent

[feral verge]

That's my build. Works very well

[leaden thunder]

maybe

[rocky cedar]

Agrip though?

[leaden thunder]

idk the Iags have really realyl high headshot mods

[rich rose]

Running a Antax Mk V on my psyker and want to replace Brutal Momentum III for a IV....which should I replace it with, Decimator or Shred? its my options currently lol

[wet belfry]

I like how in early darktide the shield was really recommended

[echo turtle]

Yeah. I have lots of instancws where I drop 3-4 spelites on a ult and my faster BB uptime is consistently there

[rocky cedar]

Shred is super eh

[leaden thunder]

ideally you want headtaker

[wet belfry]

Now its rightfully viewed as the most awful weapon.

[rocky cedar]

Head taker or decimator

Head taker for ease and consistency

[leaden thunder]

HT is generally better on non zealots

[echo turtle]

decimator is the power + one right? thats what you want

[rich rose]

I don't have HT so not an option

[echo turtle]

head taker i agree is better

[rocky cedar]

Decimator for max damage potential

[echo turtle]

miss a swing, bye bye power bonus

[leaden thunder]

if you can't get HT then get deci

[rocky cedar]

Axe crit mods are eh

[echo turtle]

crit adds like 10% damage

[rocky cedar]

Shred only makes any sense for Zealot crit build

[ornate hamlet]

headtaker is better than decimator because it builds stacks faster,
but it builds half as much power as decimator
ideally, you have both headtaker + decimator

[echo turtle]

That is what I run

it fucks

[ornate hamlet]

same

[gray island]

Whats everyones perfered curios?

[leaden thunder]

when are we getting this

for axes

[echo turtle]

4 shot a mutie withouteven a weakspot it

[rocky cedar]

Max damage axe sounds fun but few people will fuck with axe without bromo

[echo turtle]

power increases cleave

[feral verge]

Thoughts on the best dueling sword blessings?

[wet belfry]

Which class?

[echo turtle]

you wint even notice Bm missing most of the time

[rocky cedar]

Yes I know

You definitely will

[echo turtle]

BM is over rated.

[ornate hamlet]

using light attacks just to show the power climb

[echo turtle]

killing shit is the ultimate CC

[rocky cedar]

Your lights will still only hit like 3 things max

[gray island]

psykers? I perfer to use Purge or Surge

[wide tiger]

Oh I definitely notice not having brutal momentum

[echo turtle]

its so good

[rocky cedar]

As opposed to gliding effortlessly through crushers

[ornate hamlet]

54 becomes 87

[echo turtle]

Power ramps up and overhead chops stagger lock crushers

fucking amazing

[rocky cedar]

But yeah I do want to try full damage axe

[ornate hamlet]

and if you calculate it, it adds up to exactly the power % total

[leaden thunder]

thrust + limpsplitter

[rocky cedar]

More tempted by head taker + thrust though

[echo turtle]

no

Head and limb for a push block spam axe is ok if you want to be a tazmanian devil

[rocky cedar]

Honestly could be legit single target

[leaden thunder]

that's the idea

[ornate hamlet]

power tooltip, like.. for example if it's going to give you +40% power at max stacks, what that equates to if you test, is a direct 40% boost to the damage.

[leaden thunder]

could also doe thrust + ht or deci

[echo turtle]

naw, headtaker is better

[wet belfry]

1. Toughness regen : 2. Revive speed : 3. Mixed stamina efficeny/abillty cooldown

[leaden thunder]

if you don't want to qq to reset

[rocky cedar]

Decimator takes a while to build

Limbsplitter + thrust is instant

[leaden thunder]

it'd be like for a swap and pop a guy set up

[rocky cedar]

I could see it being ok

[leaden thunder]

idk how good it'd be

but it'd be interesting

[echo turtle]

-10% power on alm attacks after the first

janky cancelling decreases dps

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I could see it with like Purg

[echo turtle]

just use head taker

[rocky cedar]

Not noticeably at all for charged heavies

[echo turtle]

charged heavies are still chains

[leaden thunder]

ideally you'd be 1 shooting most things with the first heavy

[ornate hamlet]

yep

[rocky cedar]

Like probably less than 10%

[leaden thunder]

this is all just a theroy

and it probably isn't very good

but I want to make one to test it

[echo turtle]

I ran that axe in a party with 3 zealots. The comments were “ 4 zealots make the runs so smooth”

I was welcomed as a zealot

[rocky cedar]

Thrust limbsplitter Rashad

[leaden thunder]

thrust + bm on an achyls might be ok as well

[rocky cedar]

Be the ultimate Chad

[ornate hamlet]

@echo turtle yeah, unfortunately most groups i'm in i'm usually having to carry hard, the better you get at darktide the more you realize how bad most other players are.

[echo turtle]

overhead chops are only better vs ovryns

[ornate hamlet]

it's honestly hard to motivate myself to play

[echo turtle]

true story

I had a vet the other day absolutely obliterate

I was just like, wow fuck. I forgot what a good player can do with that class

[leaden thunder]

shit's broken man

[echo turtle]

thats what he said

[leaden thunder]

love just walking at like

30 shooters 4 gunners and 2 reapers

[ornate hamlet]

i get on, i run a mission, it's always 2 vets and me and the 4th player (a non veteran) are carrying the 2 vets so hard i often end up literally just hitting Alt+F4 out of frustration

[wide tiger]

And not losing any tough

[leaden thunder]

and killing them all while taking no hp damage

[echo turtle]

rashad has horizontal chained heavies right?

[rocky cedar]

I've gotta try duck and dive Vet some time

[leaden thunder]

vertical

[wide tiger]

Gross

[echo turtle]

ah whatev

[rocky cedar]

Seems like the only interesting way to play Vet

[leaden thunder]

I think only the achyls has a horicontal heavy

[echo turtle]

thrust is not great imo on the combat axes

[still hearth]

Achlys has H1 that is horizontal

[echo turtle]

could be a thing with thrust the

[still hearth]

Except

[echo turtle]

then*

[still hearth]

It has 0 cleave

[echo turtle]

well

[still hearth]

Literally 0

[echo turtle]

nvm

[leaden thunder]

[still hearth]

For some reason it has less cleave than the other heavies

But BM exists

[echo turtle]

Best dps I have seen is with Deci and head

[leaden thunder]

like cleave damage spread?

or hit mass cleave

for the h1

[still hearth]

H1 has hit mass cleave 0

[echo turtle]

I have 379 rated axes with Deci/head.
thrust/head and BM/deci

deci head was the best

[still hearth]

The cleave value on it is also garbage

[ornate hamlet]

correct, and it's actually the fastest combat axe when spamming heavy attacks once you are on the 3rd attack (which is just repeatedly that 3rd attack swing until you stop attacking)

[still hearth]

The first two hits, 280, 173

That's nice

Then it does 13

How does this make sense anywhere

[rocky cedar]

I could swear Rashad had vertical heavies?

[ornate hamlet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2910081612

[still hearth]

Rashad are all overheads

[ornate hamlet]

they're all vertical

[still hearth]

I'm pretty sure

[rocky cedar]

Yeah that's what I thought

Crab has legit inspired me to craft a Rashad

[ornate hamlet]

@echo turtle let me clue you in on something a lot of ppl still don't realize but i figured out a long time ago, tried to tell people about, but they kept trying to argue with me instead lol

the recovery time from certain animations with each combat axe is different, as is shown in the link i posted.

[still hearth]

Well axes are getting reverted

So enjoy your S tier weapons again

[ornate hamlet]

if you compare the recovery animation time when you swing with various combat axes,

MK II is fastest, MK VIII is second fastest, MK V is slowest.

for this reason, if you are spamming heavy attack, MK II is fastest, MK VIII is next, and MK V is slowest

on top of this fact, MK II and MK VIII have finesse

which increases their actual attack speed as well

i've been trying to emphasize to ppl that MK II and MK VIII are much better single target dps than MK V for this reason 😛

[still hearth]

Idk how people thought Mk 2 does more damage

Rashad outperforms it in single target damage

Even if you don't hit weakspots

Like its so easy to test

[ornate hamlet]

MK V is nice for horde clear, if you use surge or something that is crap for horde clear.

if you use purg, you should use MK II or MK VIII if you don't like MK II's hitreg issue

@still hearth i think you typod in your last post

rashad and mk II are same thing

[still hearth]

Ah

Yeah

I don't use psyker words

I'm used to Antax, Rashad and Achlys

But Rashad > Antax by far in single target

[ornate hamlet]

MK II is the superior combat axe for single target DPS
if you can manage to land weakspot hits with it, but it takes a lot of practice to make it work (because it's hitreg prioritizes body hits over headshots)

MK VIII is much easier to use, and still superior to MK V for single target

MK V is superior horde clear, but worst single target dps

[still hearth]

Even if you don't hit weakspots Mk 2 beats Mk 5, idk if it wins against Mk 8 though

I'd assume that it only wins if you hit weakspots

[feral verge]

think i know the answer but

trauma staff

unarmored? or infested

[still hearth]

I think Infested since it won't easily one-shot them without it

[rocky cedar]

Infested break point is easy to hit with just warp charges

[still hearth]

Though if you run Warp Unleashed then idk

[feral verge]

no wapr unleashed for me

warp battery tho

which i always keep up

[rocky cedar]

With a good damage roll I think like 3 warp charges hits the breakpoint?

Something around there

[feral verge]

the staff

[still hearth]

Max damage it does 285 to infested at full charge

[cyan notch]

2 charges

[rocky cedar]

For max damage yeah

[still hearth]

Yeah with 77 damage you need 2 charges

And full charged blast

And you kill infested

[rocky cedar]

So perk really not needed

Go for unarmoured

[summer prairie]

the other perks aren't particularly impressive either. Flak maybe lets you hit some two full charge elite breakpoints

[still hearth]

Why not flak

[summer prairie]

this is the point where people just give up looking at the damage

and go flak must be good

[cyan notch]

go for infested

[still hearth]

Flak do be good

Infested also good

[rocky cedar]

But why?

[still hearth]

Unarmored also good

[rocky cedar]

2 warp charges is very reliable to have

[feral verge]

my othere trauma has unarmoured and infested

[still hearth]

Infested lets you charge less than 100% and still explode them

[feral verge]

but it has the warp fire perk

[rocky cedar]

Yes that is true

[feral verge]

whatever its ca lled

which i never see proc

[still hearth]

It really depends on what you want to do

[cyan notch]

its up to you i like consistency for horde garbage

[rocky cedar]

One shotting dreg stalkers is nice though

[ornate hamlet]

(Combat Axe Heavy Attack spam breakdown once you are on the 3rd swing and beyond)
MK II heavy attack spam has 1.03s recovery time
with 80% finesse it gives 11.76% attack speed buff as well
MK VIII heavy attack has 1.13s recovery time (this is approx 10% more recovery time than MK II)
with 80% finesse it gives 11.76% attack speed buff as well
MK V heavy attack spam has 1.23s recover time (this is approx 20% more recovery time than MK II)
it has cleave instead of finesse, so it's better for horde clear but it's going to be 11.76% slower attack speed compared to MK II and MK VIII and has the most recovery time on animation when spamming heavy attacks.

[still hearth]

With 6 stacks you need 90% charge to oneshot infested

[ornate hamlet]

(full breakdown above)

[still hearth]

If you have Infested you can have 0 charges and one-shot at 90%

[feral verge]

i'll try both

[still hearth]

And you still one-shot down to 70%

However useful that is

Really is up to you

[cyan notch]

yea id probably go with unarmoured and infested

cuz fuck dregs

scabs those guys are bearable

[summer prairie]

hitting the dreg bruiser breakpoint is pretty good

[ornate hamlet]

@echo turtle #psyker-class message

[summer prairie]

and stalkers need some help too

[still hearth]

Now if they fix the servers so I can abuse macro swapping I wonder if attack speed will be meaningless

[vestal rose]

so uh
anyone know where i can buy a run and gun blessing for purg staff
i am losing my mind
i am ready to pay 3k melkbux for it ;-;

[cyan notch]

buy greys from brunt and upgrade to blue

[ornate hamlet]

if you are macroing to animation cancel you will be using the 1st attack in the chain repeatedly instead, which is probably worse
and finesse still matters btw

[vestal rose]

i have upgraded
SO
MANY
staves

[feral verge]

psykinetic aura vs cerebral lacerations? never really tried cerebral lacerations

[vestal rose]

if anyone needs a spare t4 warp nexus i have one lying around

[cyan notch]

if you really want i guess you can buy it

assuming you have a ton of melk bucks

[still hearth]

But you skip the recovery animation and post swing animation

I've used it in psyk

[ornate hamlet]

correct, but finesse still matters

[still hearth]

And it does way more dps on all axes

[ornate hamlet]

i'd use it with MK VIII if i were you, if you're going to do that

[still hearth]

So it really depends on how luch ats works for it

The issue with achlys macro

[wet jacinth]

Finesse attack speed is no joke while you also get crit/weakpoint bonus damage

[still hearth]

Is that heavy 1 damage profile

Is funky

[wet jacinth]

[cyan notch]

its mostly attack speed

[wet jacinth]

New ogryn emote

[cyan notch]

the addtional crit is pretty pathetic

[wet jacinth]

[still hearth]

Especially since you need over 50% for it to be a bonus

Half of it is a penalty

Compared to antax

[cyan notch]

[wet jacinth]

[rocky cedar]

Cerebral is pretty nice since it affects like everything other than staff primary and trauma and void secondaries. Really nice for bosses and can be nice for crushers and Reapers

[still hearth]

Big Fatshark moment

[rocky cedar]

Aura is pretty great though

[ornate hamlet]

i never actually did my own tests on how much finesse boosts weakspot and crit damage, but i believe the numbers that were posted last time we talked about it

attack speed still makes it important

[still hearth]

It works on everything now I'm pretty sure

[ornate hamlet]

the thing about attack speed is, it can prevent you from being hit

[rocky cedar]

When did that change?

[cyan notch]

although antax also has that 50+ needed for cleave targets to match the others

[ornate hamlet]

a ~12% boost to attack speed is very significant, and can often mean the difference between you getting your attack to land in time to stagger versus too late and you getting hit

[cyan notch]

although although its not that big a deal with bm

[wet jacinth]

What "should" be stronger?
A Heavy Ogryn Bonk/Box Throw?
Or
A Vet Helbore/Plasma Damage build

[devout axle]

They shadowbuffed CL so it affects everything now.

[wet jacinth]

[rocky cedar]

Wut

[wet jacinth]

It wasn't shadow buffed lol.

[ornate hamlet]

honestly, because you only need 50%+ in cleave for MK V to be a good roll, it's one of it's advantages.

it's easier to find a good MK V than it is to find a good MK II or MK VIII for that reason

[rocky cedar]

When?

[leaden thunder]

didn't it always do that

[wet jacinth]

Read patch notes

[leaden thunder]

but it didn't say it did

[clever lynx]

Which dueling sword is best for horde clear?

[devout axle]

Yes. It also didn't affect staves before. But it does now.

[ornate hamlet]

MK V combat axe is the best dueling sword for hoard clear.

[ornate hamlet]

straight up honest answer

[clever lynx]

I see. what perks for that weapon?

[cyan notch]

probably 4

[wet jacinth]

Use Dagger. It's slept on -Random Shouty

[cyan notch]

with rampage + uncanny strike/shred

[ornate hamlet]

sorry i will never use dagger

[devout axle]

This patch. It also affects dots so ... that's very funny.

[still hearth]

Or you run BM with it and have 0% cleave

[lethal folio]

Dueling sword II is slightly faster to do the pushattack/light horde clear combo, but I like IV's patterns more.

[cyan notch]

yea mk2 has diagonally up/down left and right while mk4 is just diagonally down left and right

[rocky cedar]

Cool. Now I wanna get an Unyielding perk on Trauma and bully a slug with this knowledge

[still hearth]

5s isn't very long

And it's more like 4s probably for the Psyker

Because of animations

[cyan notch]

have a bb slave teammate

ez

[rocky cedar]

But what if there's a 2nd Psyker running cerebral

[still hearth]

What if you're all cerebral Psykers

+100% damage

[gray island]

for purge?

[still hearth]

Warp Unleashed does nothing to it I think

[rocky cedar]

If it stacked that would be wild

[cyan notch]

it doesnt do anything to the dots but it affects the direct flame damage

[still hearth]

Ye

[lethal folio]

Switch to wrack.

[still hearth]

So basically nothing

[gray island]

it should affect the fire damage

[still hearth]

The flames do like 60 dps

The DoT is the real damage

[cyan notch]

idk about warp absorption too id go essence harvest or quietitude personally

warp unleashed is nice for ur fs if you run that though

if u have unstable power too then boom 1 shot heavy bodyshot muties

[still hearth]

Warp Unleased being just damage when

[cyan notch]

i think +maniac too

[ornate hamlet]

fixed

[still hearth]

Overload

[cyan notch]

2nd column is up to you i dont mind wrack and ruin either it helps gets more blaze on stuff

[still hearth]

[devout axle]

Also, interesting fact-
This setup can (technically) kill a Reaper with two BB on Damnation with 5-6 charges. Wrack and Ruin does enough damage now to burn them for the last bit of their life if left to burn for a couple seconds.

[rocky cedar]

I can never give up KD I'm addicted to the filthy invincible revives

[ornate hamlet]

with the build i posted you'll do significantly more DPS, more burn, and because you're using psychic communion you'll get more toughness regen - especially if you're maintaining coherency with your team, and you'll get toughness regen even when you're getting melee kills as well. (even with an axe)

[still hearth]

Have you guys not accepted All or Nothing for the BB breakpoints

[leaden thunder]

smh my head

[cyan notch]

absolutely not

[still hearth]

Disgusting.

I bet you use a primitive weapon too

Not your incomparable mind

[cyan notch]

gimmick that might be patched and now u have a garbage blessing on your melee

[still hearth]

Jokes on you I always has garbage blessings

[rocky cedar]

Imagine killing crushers in 3 hits. So embarrassing

[still hearth]

Basically useless

[summer prairie]

actually I headshot them 15 times with my dagger

[ornate hamlet]

as long as you stagger them, it doesn't really matter

imagine not staggering them when you attack them lol

[rocky cedar]

I don't know how I could have been more tongue in cheek

[still hearth]

Surge enjoyers

[cyan notch]

dagger with uncanny can probably kill them before 30mins i assume

[ornate hamlet]

imagine not 1 shotting bulwark in damnation

[rocky cedar]

Uncanny dagger fucks crushers up pretty damn fast

[summer prairie]

Still haven't seen uncanny on a dagger

[cyan notch]

i have t2 lacerate + t2 executor

[rocky cedar]

It's like 6-7 push attacks to kill a crusher

If head shotting

Depending on crits

[cyan notch]

i realise im not getting any blessings now the shop has garbage blessings

[ornate hamlet]

every patch i'm like, should i login and actually play?
i do, barely, play, and regret logging in at all

usually it's the other players i wind up with in pugs, the other times it's just disappointment with fatshark

[cyan notch]

quickplay is pretty fun

usually u mow through everything in a premade

[ornate hamlet]

that's all i use, because i sometimes have to spend less time carrying when i join mid-run

i guess my problem is that i never premade

[echo turtle]

its good, gets up to like 600 per hit. I have one but prefer lacerate and mercy kill

[grizzled jasper]

We living in that Puglyfe

[forest coral]

i just quickjoin out of sheer laziness

honestly, it's an adventure on its own

[echo turtle]

Uncanny is better for maulers and crushers. Mercy and lace is better for maniacs and even ragers

[grizzled jasper]

I don’t even know all the maps name only quickjoin

[forest coral]

i only remember hab dreyko and relay station

others is like, Oh its that one

[clear hamlet]

preferred blessings on purgatus?

[wide tiger]

nexus and whatever

[forest coral]

ye

[knotty lion]

what exactly does the surge blessing on voidstrike do?

[summer prairie]

Purg can do a full charge at 100% and then quell with the passive or ult if you don't get a proc, so you can get the full +20% crit out of nexus. Not exactly optimal for AB though

[ornate hamlet]

What do you guys think, warp battery or kinetic flayer? Are the extra warp charges worth it?

[clear hamlet]

emporer blessed me with this shit but it's my only purgatus. keeping it until I get a better one so I can extract nexus

[ornate hamlet]

I've been rolling warp battery because of ascendant blaze but I'm thinking of going back to kinetic flayer because that BB is pretty sweet

[safe crystal]

KF is more for warp charge upkeep than anything else, due to it being random on hit. They're both good, i'd say its more about which one you prefer, more upkeep for +8% damage, or gaining charges sorta passively and requiring less BB/lucky rolls with AB or communion

[feral verge]

trauma kinda fucks

[runic gate]

I rarely use flame staff, but is damage actually the dump stat for this weapon?

[safe crystal]

Yes. Most of your damage comes from burn

[summer prairie]

burn doesn't do much either though

[runic gate]

I think you're wrong burn is def most important

[summer prairie]

yes your damage is dots, but you don't need 12+ stacks before most things are dead

[safe crystal]

True, i'd take a high cloud over high burn, but i'd like them both to be above 70

[summer prairie]

and the burn application rate goes from 0.31 to 0.34 at 80%

[viral solstice]

spurgo? no spurdo

[forest coral]

[feral verge]

hope they fix warp flurry on purga soon

[forest coral]

no more warp flurry

only suffer

[feral verge]

this purga would fuck

[worn cypress]

is warp flurry + warp nexus bug fixed?

[feral verge]

.

nope

[worn cypress]

oh ye just saw that

sad

[twilit flicker]

Lets hope they fix it in the next update

[feral verge]

and then they break something else

[worn cypress]

aint fatshark otherwise

[twilit flicker]

I cant think of any examples of that, care to cure my ignorance?

It would be comedic in a sad way though.

[viral solstice]

think fixing zealot nade on bulwark shields broke trauma behind their shields

something like that

i dont use trauma tho so i made that up

[worn cypress]

its a pretty long history in VT2 where they break something else constantly

[viral solstice]

or did i

[twilit flicker]

Interesting, its kind of like stepping stones, isnt it?

[worn cypress]

which is where the memes are from

[feral verge]

they broke warp flurry

then fixed it on void and trauma

and broke it for surge and purga

[sinful stream]

Does ascendant blaze seem to be broken for anyone else? I'll hit F. Light up 30 enemies, and proceed to kill them all with my voidstrike staff, I end up with 0 warp charges. And I'm using psychic communion so it's even wierder that I have 0 charges

The last like 10 psyker games I've played its felt this way

[gray island]

it has to die from the flame as far as im away

[spice veldt]

at least in the grinder, it works fine

[sinful stream]

According to that guy who makes the hidden mechanic guide on steam it works as follows "if the psyker kills an enemy with soulzlaze on them, the soublaze itself doesn't need to kill them

[spice veldt]

maybe there's some shenanigans making the expected probability lower, but I got warp charges just fine in the Meat Grinder by setting enemies on fire and murdering them with another weapon

[sinful stream]

And you had psychics communion off right

[ember hornet]

I assume quell speed is the dump stat?

[spice veldt]

yeah the Soulblaze does not need to kill them for AB to generate warp charges

[worn cypress]

that looks great

[runic gate]

People are saying Damage is dump stat.

[cyan notch]

nah quell is good

[spice veldt]

yes, I ensured that communion was off

[worn cypress]

quell isnt as dump anymore after the quell change

but thats nbd

[runic gate]

@ember hornet

[still hearth]

Damage is dump stat