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#psyker-class
echo turtle
its really not better outside of some circumstances
spice veldt
lights do more damage and deal nonzero cleave damage beyond 3 targets
leaden thunder
^
echo turtle
the 3rd animation can hit lots of targets
but generally wont
and it does only 50 damage
leaden thunder
cuase you aren't using bm
echo turtle
look at the actual damage though
long wharf
the push can hit weakspots of everything you swing at with aiming
leaden thunder
I do
long wharf
that's what matters
spice veldt
the push isn't even a true horizontal
echo turtle
the push second hit, does 3x what the second hit of a light receives
spice veldt
on the other hand, the 3rd light is a true horizontal
leaden thunder
but does the push 1 shot body shot poxies
long wharf
it doesn't matter if you deal 50 damage to 100 things
echo turtle
you need to hit, 5-6 targets with a light, to equal 3 targets with a push
long wharf
you shouldn't be aiming at bodies with the push attack
leaden thunder
answer it
spice veldt
it doesn't matter if you deal 50 damage to 100 things
the lights do more damage to the first target than the push-attack does
echo turtle
the push attack I believe does the exact same damage to target 1 as a light
leaden thunder
does it one shot body shot
long wharf
why does that matter?
spice veldt
yes
leaden thunder
antax push does way less damage on the first target
echo turtle
Ok, I thought it was wxactly the same
I thought I had even confirmed that in the grinder
echo turtle
So I’ll have to double check when I am home
echo turtle
indeed
leaden thunder
so in a dense hoard lights are better
spice veldt
push-attack
leaden thunder
now you should do both
spice veldt
light 1
summer prairie
Antax push can oneshot poxies
echo turtle
light has no cap, but generally doesn’t hit much with the X pattern swings
leaden thunder
really only zealot should pure lightspam with it
echo turtle
\ / ——-
leaden thunder
it really does
echo turtle
third^
leaden thunder
I generally hit more then three
echo turtle
there was a video of someone chopping intoa debse horde
long wharf
and with each push attack, I'm taking heads off
leaden thunder
well Ican say from my personal experiecne
echo turtle
but 40 damage
leaden thunder
that light spam mulches the fuck out of hoards
echo turtle
as does push spam
leaden thunder
not near the speed
long wharf
and I can say from my personal experience that the push attack clears out hordes handily
leaden thunder
really you should do both
echo turtle
push spam I think can do faster, due to faster attack speed
on psyker
but, You cant make use of decap
which makes light spam spicy as hell
long wharf
and limbsplitter makes push attack fuckin deadly
echo turtle
I have decap and head taker rn, it’s crazy strong
leaden thunder
decap is rending right
echo turtle
- power
leaden thunder
that like only helps vs crushers
echo turtle
its the + 10% on chains
leaden thunder
decimator is power
long wharf
headtaker doesn't rely on chains
echo turtle
I figure, power increases cleave
still hearth
You already do like 70% damage on carapace or something
echo turtle
so thats enough
long wharf
I'm wondering if BM is that big a deal on the mk v caxe
echo turtle
You already do like 70% damage on carapace or something
yeah there is no need for rending
long wharf
I never tested BM+LS vs HT+LS on my caxe
echo turtle
the power also increases stagger, not sure if it always staggered crushers before, But every time I over hesd chopped crushers yesterday they staggered
felt good
leaden thunder
if you are spaming push attacks you don't need bm
that's a different case
it does nothing for that
long wharf
fairly confident I have a t4 headtaker I can slap on my caxe
still hearth
Those are the only ones that do anything
echo turtle
but then you lose efficiency when you want to chain attacks on muties or bosses
echo turtle
I thin target 1 is same as a light?
or do I have that wring
someone was saying it was less than a normal light
spice veldt
lost heath
if you are spaming push attacks you don't need bm
I like your pfp
still hearth
Yeah, those
lost heath
”let me punch in some numbers”
leaden thunder
still hearth
Push attack isn't considerably worse in small groups but when it comes to choke points with hordes light is much better
But you can also run Antax as a full single target weapon
leaden thunder
limb + thrust
leaden thunder
I kinda want to make an achyls with that set up
since I have 0 idea the point of the achyls
still hearth
The point is to use heavy 1 for horizontal BM cleave
leaden thunder
so BM + thrust?
still hearth
Seems good
leaden thunder
will maybe try that later
still hearth
Now I gotta build that
olive ember
Now I gotta build that
Btw did you see the funny dark and darker blocking videos
Not sure cuz people covered it up talking about darktide
Can you believe it smh
still hearth
I saw links but I'm on phone
olive ember
Ah
echo turtle
Damn, rashad heavy cleave spam sounds interesting
thats basically turning the axe into a thunder hammer
leaden thunder
rashad I think is all single target heavies
leaden thunder
achyls is the one with the sweep heavy
crimson patio
Does having 6 warp charges amount to any breakpoints? I've messed around in the meat grinder and it didn't seem to improve anything
leaden thunder
on?
crimson patio
T5, mb
leaden thunder
I mean on which weapon or on BB
crimson patio
on BB
I mostly focus on elites and specials since whenever I don't I regret it lol
fair kayak
Does having 6 warp charges amount to any breakpoints? I've messed around in the ...
it doesnt have any break points on T5, but its good for several breakpoints on T4
Cerebral Lacerations + 5 stacks of Warp Charges will let you kill ANY target on T4 in 2 Brainbursts
and 1 shot the Doggos
olive ember
Does having 6 warp charges amount to any breakpoints? I've messed around in the ...
If you combine with cerebral lacerations you can 2 hit most enemies (I think one ogryn barely requires 3)
fading heath
which blessing should i replace with deflector?
crimson patio
BB is buffed by CL?
fair kayak
BB is buffed by CL?
sure is
olive ember
which blessing should i replace with deflector?
Replace exorcist with slaughterer
Sadly not a deflector FS
unreal dust
which blessing should i replace with deflector?
Replace Exorcist. Bloodthirsty is peak win
olive ember
Or Consider scrapping the FS for the t4 bloodthirsty
unreal dust
Or Consider scrapping the FS for the t4 bloodthirsty
Or that
leaden thunder
you really really want sluaghterer
olive ember
You either want slaughterer + deflector or slaughterer + bloodthirsty
leaden thunder
on your fs
fading heath
how long the bonus lasts?
fading heath
thanks
crimson patio
Ty, will see if I can get anything decent, but +15% regen on elite kill seems more consistent so far
olive ember
When you kill something with special attack it’s guaranteed crit for 5 seconds
leaden thunder
on anyhting else that can role it it's only on the next attack
just for future reference
unreal dust
You either want slaughterer + deflector or slaughterer + bloodthirsty
I really like Deflector... but even I'd be super goddamned tempted to run Slaught+Blood...
fading heath
its crits for everything or just the sword?
leaden thunder
if you see a chainsword or eviserator with it
leaden thunder
its crits for everything or just the sword?
just sword
fading heath
noted
olive ember
Tho slaughterer power boost does apply retroactively to already applied dots
spice veldt
that's a nice force sword
olive ember
So if you are running purge you can flame and then swap to sword and build stacks of slaughterer
spice veldt
slap a t3 slaughterer and wait until you get a t4 slaughterer on it
leaden thunder
you can also swap to your fs when things are burning
and the burn kills will count
fading heath
thats good to know
unreal dust
Still trying to get Bloodthirsty. How are people preferring to grind for it?
olive ember
Man it’s such a bright sunny day outside on my college campus
And I’d rather just go back home and play darktide on my pc >.>
summer prairie
Don't grind for it, wait for melk
leaden thunder
or do
summer prairie
It's not that great anyway
leaden thunder
if you don't value your sanity
spice veldt
i got mines by consecration, but that's because I only like the force sword among the melee weapons
fading heath
yeah melk and random emperor gifts seems to be the best way to get good blessings
olive ember
I mean at this point I have nothing to do on my psyker anyways
I’m consecrating Columnus infantry auto guns hoping to get the worst gun imagineable so yeah
fading heath
we probably gonna get another upgrade stage for weapons so im saving materials
olive ember
Eh I’ll grind it out when that happens
fading heath
mind deterioration incoming
echo turtle
So if you are running purge you can flame and then swap to sword and build stack...
This doesn’t really work. Dot damage dropps exponentially, so the time you take to build up power to increase the DPS will see a drop off as fast or faster
leaden thunder
yes and no
spice veldt
as a quick spike of damage, it's fine
leaden thunder
the dots killing things will stack sluaghterer
echo turtle
something like a shredder that can get +100% power immediately by tapping your ULT can abuse this way better
spice veldt
but you give up purg if you run another ranged
echo turtle
the dots killing things will stack sluaghterer
I think it works better with an ult triggered once you already get some power
spice veldt
block-cancelling the heavy maintains the power buff right
echo turtle
yeah, that works, but only for a tick or two
echo turtle
naw
long wharf
oh, now I know what the upcoming pysker buff is going to be
olive ember
Psyker gets +1% damage while using autoguns?
long wharf
FartShart is going to fix Bloodthirsty on the fsword to be inline with the other versions of the blessing
echo turtle
If you are running AB and have weapons that get power boosts, the fire nova from your ult gets a nice boost
but, unless ur hitting break points it hardly matters
spice veldt
FartShart is going to fix Bloodthirsty on the fsword to be inline with the other...
nooo
echo turtle
you could maybe fuck with a build that employs psykentic aura, and battery with AB to try get super strong nova dots and cycle through ults fast
leaden thunder
olive ember
That sounds fun but no way in hell it would be close to practical
Psyker class design moment
echo turtle
if your ults can snare all the ragers and gunners in a room and get your chargers bsck, in time to get a 60%+ CDR, you could do some serious work
olive ember
I mean it won’t be +60 CDR
olive ember
Maybe?
olive ember
I mean the problem is the stack count
It’s only 10% chance so even against a horde of 20 enemies you would on average only gain like 2 stacks
echo turtle
yeah, you will need to pad with Brain bursts sometimes
olive ember
You would need to make up the other 4 which ain’t practical
warm blade
Heyo. I've been using the force sword since ever. I've done all penances and stuff (except do 100 missions I'm at 92) I want to try new melees. Any suggestions?
long wharf
the best one
echo turtle
tac aces are fun. Daggers are fun
echo turtle
indeed
leaden thunder
you 100% need sluaghterer on it at higher diffs imo
echo turtle
common wisdom is a Mk5 antax with brutal momentum is the best all rounder
long wharf
what if the fsword were changed such that it was force-enabled all the time?
echo turtle
I love my lacerate + mercy killer dagger
long wharf
so the special didn't require an animation windup?
warm blade
just bought a dozen mk 5 axes haha
leaden thunder
100%
long wharf
let us getwarp charges by killing with it
echo turtle
You would need to make up the other 4 which ain’t practical
yeah, perhaps that build could work with flayer
leaden thunder
force greatsword
fair kayak
common wisdom is a Mk5 antax with brutal momentum is the best all rounder
The only time I dont use the Antax is if I have a Purg staff
long wharf
not the best for the horde, but decent for elites
echo turtle
The only time I dont use the Antax is if I have a Purg staff
I use a dagger with my purge
olive ember
yeah, perhaps that build could work with flayer
Would have to give up warp battery
long wharf
make BB cost a warp charge instead of generating one
olive ember
If you want more charges you would need communion but then you are giving up aura
long wharf
and put BB charge time back to base 2~3 seconds
warm blade
I like the surge staff to stun enemies. It's mostly support since I play with friends
leaden thunder
olive ember
10/10 class design I know
fair kayak
I use a dagger with my purge
I use the Force Sword for the push to make space for me to FLAME ONE!
echo turtle
Would have to give up warp battery
if the builds purpose is to amp up the dot damage perhaps you don’t need all 6
leaden thunder
and let you generate them on normal warp attacks
wet jacinth
make BB *cost* a warp charge instead of generating one
Make staff/force sword cost warp charges to use
olive ember
Would have to see then
long wharf
nah, enable generating warp charges easily
echo turtle
I use the Force Sword for the push to make space for me to FLAME ONE!
Why take a weapon to make space? Take a weapon that can do the work
long wharf
make warp charges our "do something very cool" currency
leaden thunder
it should be almsot instant
wet jacinth
Skill issue
leaden thunder
make it a builder spender
wet jacinth
Just adapt
leaden thunder
some mmo shit
wet jacinth
olive ember
Does AB crit if you use it while bloodthirsty is procc’ed on FS
echo turtle
If you want more charges you would need communion but then you are giving up aur...
yeah the build is janky and like, almost works but not quite
long wharf
AB isn't an attack
wet jacinth
1~2 second BB chargeup, then
4 seconds. Take it or leave it
echo turtle
if you had a purge psyker with you, it could work
spice veldt
bloodthirsty applies to melee attacks only
long wharf
and our ult doesn't count as an attack, it deals no damage
olive ember
Sadge
leaden thunder
fair kayak
Why take a weapon to make space? Take a weapon that can do the work
Usually a quick bump is all I need to get a stagger off with the staff and then I can start flaming again
lethal folio
Doesn't trigger on bonk
spice veldt
no
leaden thunder
wet jacinth
fair kayak
Why take a weapon to make space? Take a weapon that can do the work
but mostly its because I have a sick deflector Sword and I dont get to use it in any other loadout lol
olive ember
The staff bonk is so shit it’s amazing
I still can’t believe they didn’t implement a staff ground slam with status effects.
And went with a fucking bonk
What a waste
idle bay
It have shaoling like animation if you look from the side
viral solstice
blazing spirit for staves is the burning spirit (ranged) not burning spirit for swords (melee)
they split it cos hater'z
wet jacinth
I still can’t believe they didn’t implement a staff ground slam with status effe...
More like why is every light attack the fucking same except for purge
olive ember
More like why is every light attack the fucking same except for purge
Atleast the lmb is useable
long wharf
I'd be fine with a "you shall not pass" staff slam that did a burst effect related to the staff behavior
olive ember
The staff bonk is fucking useless XD
long wharf
soublaze burst for purge, an extra-wide trauma blast for trauma, an aoe stun around the player for surge
idle bay
The bonk on ranged weapons is useless as well save for ogryn's bonks
long wharf
maybe a min-charged void shot in 8 cardinal directions for void? I dunno
and have a cooldown on that blast
olive ember
Radial blades that spin out
long wharf
or, you know, make it cost a warp charge
olive ember
Maybe?
olive ember
I mean for something as niche as a staff bonk I wouldn’t mind if each cast was like 50% peril
leaden thunder
suggest such a thing
long wharf
I'd also get rid of communion entirely
viral solstice
they should make the staff special gain peril but u do sick staff fu and jump around giving heretics an aneurysm like ur darth maul
olive ember
Communion is nice on purge build to help with stack upkeep
long wharf
make the psyker have a class-default 5% chance to gain a warp charge when anything nearby dies
olive ember
Oh yeah lol
echo turtle
Communion is nice on purge build to help with stack upkeep
I take communion on my purge build, but mostly just to keep triggering essence harvest
stack upkeep is pretty easy
long wharf
god forbid the class mechanics be fun and engaging
instead of something we ignore because whether we have it or not literally doesn't matter outside of AB
worldly chasm
its poppin time
long wharf
it sure is, excellent staff, enjoy
olive ember
Surge
long wharf
aim for heads, sibling
wet jacinth
That's not a gun
worldly chasm
olive ember
This is what you get for playing vet
viral solstice
um i been playin persykers
i only picked other class to prove revolver is best because it has cowboy energy
idle bay
Rolled this one for lulz, tested in and will probably never use again 🙂
wet jacinth
Psykinetic Yeehaw
olive ember
Why warp nexus 🤔
lethal folio
Is Psyker revolver wiggly hands fixed yet?
idle bay
Why warp nexus 🤔
For more cit. Though Trasfer Peril will do as well
long wharf
I mean, no need to transfer peril if everything is dead
but yeah, definitely not peak void
what's the crit damage multiplier on void?
if it's high enough (like around +50% damage on crits), that might even be halfway decent for dealing straight damage
long wharf
ouch
leaden thunder
618 on a weakspot crit
long wharf
so not even +25% damage on a crit
leaden thunder
that's pretty normal for most weapon afaik
long wharf
that's over +50% on weakspot crit, but I think we're comparing that to non-weakspot non-crit
leaden thunder
crits are p bad most the time
long wharf
it'd be interesting to see void turned into an actual cannon
echo turtle
crits are p bad most the time
yup, unless the crit is triggering something special it’s not worth it
long wharf
I'd like to see void base damage increased
echo turtle
FS for instance has a 2.3 power modifier on crits. Many weapons have a 0.2x crit modifier
long wharf
as well as the base crit upped
feral verge
FS for instance has a 2.3 power modifier on crits. Many weapons have a 0.2x crit...
hmm. would that make crit damage perk actually useful on force sword?
idle bay
I mean, no need to transfer peril if everything is dead
Idea is that with T4 Surge even if crit multiplier is a joke - you still do extra hit of normal damage turning a crit into +100% damage + whatever-scraps-fatshar-allows-us %
feral verge
if you built the sword for crits, ofc
long wharf
or crank up the damage void can do at max charge and make the charge a log curve from min to max damage
feral verge
with bloodthirsty and shred?
leaden thunder
just bloodthirsty
long wharf
no point in having both
leaden thunder
both is over 100%
feral verge
oh ye
olive ember
You would be better off using slaughterer for the power and then using bloodthirsty to proc crit
Which is what people are doin so
spice veldt
use bloodthirsty for an initial damage boost to get slaughterer stacks
feral verge
i was thinking of my crit saber when i mentioned that
spice veldt
for me, crits and 1 slaughterer stack allows me to one-shot dreg bruisers with a single heavy headshot
long wharf
I'd love to see psyker get an anime laser beam blast that can nuke bosses but takes too long to be quickly effective against up-close enemies
feral verge
which doesnt feel as good as my regular saber
idle bay
Downside is that crit rate is depressingly low on Void even with T4 Nexus and 5% Crit
long wharf
ala Elden Ring's kamehameha spell
feral verge
comet azure
olive ember
ala Elden Ring's kamehameha spell
Tbh the azur comet isn’t actually that good
long wharf
you want all the tools in your toolbox
only if the boss is really big and sits still long enough to take it
olive ember
Nah it’s decent against small targets as well
long wharf
there are only two or three bosses where that spell really destroys
olive ember
Unlike azur comet which fails the moment the boss does a funny side step
long wharf
there are only a handful of bosses that azur comet can't nuke if the boss is properly distracted
azur comet + shieldbro ashes were my go-to
olive ember
Bleh
long wharf
box the fucker in and comet nukem
long wharf
yep
idle bay
There was a Meter shower spell that usualy garbage but vs MASSIVE slow bosses like dragons - it's just deletes them in seconds
long wharf
I was one of the people that thoroughly tested night comet vs comet in the community
I know all about night comet
olive ember
Disgusting
torpid olive
What's the reach of Kinetic Overload?
long wharf
pest threads aren't faith damage
and the elden beast is like nearly immune to faith damage
olive ember
I mean the way I killed elden beast was panick running away
olive ember
And it died to black knife tiche bleed
feral verge
there's no such thing as faith damage
olive ember
And I didn’t even realize it was dying
feral verge
you're thinking of holy
torpid olive
Hey nerds
feral verge
pest threads is physical
torpid olive
It's Darktide
echo turtle
hmm. would that make crit damage perk actually useful on force sword?
Crit damage? No crit chance would be better
olive ember
The most anti climactic ending ever
echo turtle
shred + slaughter
feral verge
Crit damage? No crit chance would be better
i meant building fully for crits
echo turtle
Blood thirsty is broken atm to be amazing
long wharf
It's Darktide
you're darktide got em
feral verge
crit damage + crit rate
olive ember
Was panick running away from the elden beast, the attack didn’t come? Turned around and it was dust
Literally thanos snapped
Thanks tiche
torpid olive
*you're* darktide *got em*
long wharf
oh yeah, Tiche is easily one of the best ashes for bosses
echo turtle
taking unarmored or flak would be good since the weapon kind of struggles to deal with common enemies
olive ember
Don’t remember the range of KO, not good enough to bring tbh
spice veldt
i'd still say that damage against certain enemies is better since it's multiplicative
echo turtle
you only get to choose 1, so the other is rng
feral verge
taking unarmored or flak would be good since the weapon kind of struggles to dea...
ya u right
torpid olive
Seriously how far does Kinetic Overload reach?
olive ember
Meh
feral verge
i have a crit saber that doesnt feel as good as my regular saber
olive ember
20m?
spice veldt
olive ember
More or less Idr no one uses KO
echo turtle
sorry, shred+ slaught
feral verge
crit + slughterer
yeah thats what i ahve on my reg saber
long wharf
if you were getting warp charges like crazy, KO would be interesting
feral verge
long wharf
but otherwise, it's not enough
feral verge
if you were getting warp charges like crazy, KO would be interesting
i do like it, but the rampage saber with flak dmg seems to perform better overall
olive ember
The only time you would be getting charges like crazy is with purge and you run battery for that
long wharf
yep
olive ember
So yeah KO is worst perk in the column
long wharf
it'd have to stack more than 4 to be worthwhile
even 6 is only enough to kill a mob in the horde
echo turtle
yeah thats what i ahve on my reg saber
gotcha
hollow pilot
What weapons should i play to level the psyker, lvl 13 rn and struggling everything feels underwhelming and squishy
echo turtle
psyker sucks until lvl 30
hollow pilot
Yea feels like it tryna get 15 to get the purg staff cos that's the only thing that looks decent
echo turtle
its the easiest
hollow pilot
or could play surge but gotta rely on random teamates
echo turtle
surge is great, but you need to learn how to use it
and it really needs you to be able to@melee
run purge with an axe or something and you’re gonna level up just fine
temember to always be brain bursting snipers and ogryn
hollow pilot
Which axe?
olive ember
Antax V is the meta one
echo turtle
Antax mk5. Great chains, great push attack
rashad is good but the hit box seems to be fucked rn
ornate hamlet
II and VIII have better single target dps due to finesse.
MK V has cleave instead
echo turtle
II and VIII have better single target dps due to finesse.
MK V has cleave instea...
I dont have the game available
does the finesse add to the weakspot and crit power?
swing speed is like up to 12% faster
olive ember
No clue
echo turtle
So, I know kinetic shield isn’t the best feat ever. Especially compared to Deflection
But when paired with a zealots 15% DR aura, we are able to get a natural -48% toughness reduction
dodging gets that to max dr
food for thought
olive ember
You also have to be super high peril (literally 97+) for the max toughness reduction
echo turtle
do we know for sure zealot DR aura is not additive?
still hearth
Yes
gilded viper
but isn't defelction only on forcesword tho
olive ember
Yes
spice veldt
at least it's fast to get into a block and out of a block
my personal gripe with it is that the push-attack could be more offensive rather than a strong stagger
i want another force sword mark without that stupid ass 2nd light
echo turtle
i wish i can like force sword <:NotLikeThis:308304321261469696>
The damage is also too low
echo turtle
but isn't defelction only on forcesword tho
I am talking about kinetic deflection. The amazingly good feat that gives us functionally unlimited stamina
I have been trying to use kinetic shield and not take any hits that would cause me to become block staggered in Melee
lyric atlas
I wish the dueling swords were better, cause they are cool af
gilded viper
oh, wait what kinetic shield
echo turtle
I wish the dueling swords were better, cause they are cool af
try the dagger. It’s basically a better dueling sword
gilded viper
that the range DR right?
gilded viper
thought it was the inifint block KEKW
lyric atlas
try the dagger. It’s basically a better dueling sword
But the dagger is lame AF.
gilded viper
but its also melee DR
WHAT
echo turtle
Vets ability says ranged, but is also melee
echo turtle
But the dagger is lame AF.
naw its sweet
gilded viper
ain't no way FS not telling us important detail once again 
echo turtle
ain't no way FS not telling us important detail once again <:ICANT:1013240026362...
welcome to tide games
olive ember
Dueling sword has better horde clear, dagger better single target damage
echo turtle
^
leaden thunder
same goes for vets 75%
summer prairie
there's toughness dr and overall dmg dr
gilded viper
wait so that why everyone hate the vet 75%, thought their dr was only range
OMG
MY EYE BEEN OPEN TO THE TRUTH
olive ember
I hate vets in general
spice veldt
both knife and duelling swords can cleave 2 poxwalkers on their lights, but the knife's push-attack can cleave 4 poxwalkers
olive ember
OP as shit and yet the average vet is only slightly better than a bot
gilded viper
you right
echo turtle
yeah so, generally its a 20% DR
I stacked 55% gunner and sniper resist for it
so reapers and gunners do like no damage to me
river sand
why do ppl stack gunner resist ?
echo turtle
and snipers don’t@kill my ass
gilded viper
why do ppl stack gunner resist ?
fuck them, that my reasoning
echo turtle
gunner resist is gunners and reapers
lyric atlas
naw its sweet
I'm sure it performs sweet, but it's not cool. This is cool:
river sand
you know its just the elite gunners right ? no shooter no shotgunners etc
leaden thunder
also there isn't a lot of good options
summer prairie
KO feels so awkward even for monster dps and it barely pays off. Lacerate knife around the same dps and lacerate+purg better https://streamable.com/bteb8h
gilded viper
reaper do so much HP damage
echo turtle
I'm sure it performs sweet, but it's not cool. This is cool:
its cool, its the dagger from counter strike
echo turtle
KO feels so awkward even for monster dps and it barely pays off. Lacerate knife ...
lacerate and mercy kill makes daggers do insane damage
summer prairie
yes
river sand
but reapers are one rmb and they stop shooting for 5 seconds
echo turtle
you can also solo a host woth a lacerate dagger
echo turtle
it's reapers and elite gunners
yeah not dreg and scap normies
summer prairie
well yes, it's tricky without good terrain though
viral solstice
emotional damage... nobody has dr for that...
olive ember
but reapers are one rmb and they stop shooting for 5 seconds
On one reaper
What happens when there’s 3 reapers 4 gunners
And the vet is a bot (as usual)
river sand
On one reaper
then you peak corners and bb them
gilded viper
sometime just bad positioning just get you fucked, especially with having low toughness HP
leaden thunder
then you peak corners and bb them
what other perks are you taking
viral solstice
the big thing with reapers is they do double damage to ur hp
leaden thunder
gunner res is one of the few good options
olive ember
then you peak corners and bb them
Well yes but if you out of position or they spawn behind you then you don’t die instantly
viral solstice
so th eres some situations where gunner res pays off beeg
if u r gettin clipped while gettin the fuck out of dodge
spice veldt
if you're in a situation where you can't stagger reapers with your LMB anyways, you're prob fucked
gilded viper
ngl i stack mutant res cause i got pissed about losing too many game to them 
viral solstice
tbh its like u got the 3 reses that do something
then bomber flamer dog
that do nothin
echo turtle
Toughness regen can be good too, but I have geard essence harvest interrupts it
viral solstice
so really pic ur poison
river sand
stamina reg, toughness reg, block efficiency, maybe even corruption res
gilded viper
stmaina reg 
leaden thunder
on psyker 100%
echo turtle
^
leaden thunder
vet can use some stamina regen tbh
spice veldt
stamina regen is nice
summer prairie
toughness regen is the only great one
leaden thunder
most people don't block enough to use it
echo turtle
vet can use some stamina regen tbh
yeah, but its the delay not the rate that is thw problem
leaden thunder
toughness regen is goated
echo turtle
doesnt matter how fast it chrges when ur never getting it back
gilded viper
thought block eff was a decent option for psyker since it scale KD as well?
echo turtle
naw
spice veldt
you shouldn't be blocking that much anyways
lyric atlas
Should we use tough or hp items
echo turtle
only deflector users want it cuz they stand around getting shot instead of dodging
viral solstice
use whatever u want its all survivability
echo turtle
but dodge exists
viral solstice
just pick the one u play to
summer prairie
it's fine if you get it randomly as your third perk
viral solstice
if ur usin devil claw block efficiency is good af for very stupid reasons
olive ember
Block efficiency affects peril blocking
spice veldt
or if you use the mk1 devil claw which has a lower block cost than the other marks for some reason
olive ember
Mk 7 is blehhh
gilded viper
Mk 7 is blehhh
summer prairie
ordos > toughness regen though
idle bay
Speaking of blocking - still need to practice more Deamonhost blocking/dodging. My last record in active mission on Heresy was 3 minutes.
echo turtle
I have heard essence harvest interrupts coherency regen. Anyone know if this is true?
echo turtle
Speaking of blocking - still need to practice more Deamonhost blocking/dodging. ...
someone on redit solo’d a host woth a knife as a psyker
on damnation
wet jacinth
on damnation
With no feats
idle bay
someone on redit solo’d a host woth a knife as a psyker
I want to do it as well. Need practice 🙂
But with Axe
gilded viper
talking about curio made me double check what i had, honesty think i have really good ones
wet jacinth
No curios
echo turtle
With no feats
with kinetic deflection and lacerate
olive ember
someone on redit solo’d a host woth a knife as a psyker
Link?
idle bay
I remember that video and i'm in process of torturing reddit crap search system rn
olive ember
Ah the Reddit search system
olive ember
I mean idk how they would “solo” it in an actual game unless their entire team is dead before hand
long wharf
dagger push attack is a heavy, so spamming it into a horde clears it fast
it would if it were a horizontal cleave
olive ember
So I’d assume afterwards when mods came out
idle bay
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11drifp/daemonhost_damnation_psykhanium_solo_wo_until/
That was Zealot not Psyker
idle bay
Psyker will have extra
in form of Kinetic Deflection
So you can do more mistakes dodging
long wharf
knife isn't good for horde clearing
has nothing to do with how well it cleaves and everything to do with moveset
fair kayak
All monstrosities fall over and die with Cerebral Lacerations
hit em with a brain burst and then they suddenly lose half their health
long wharf
no, the monstrosities fall over and die when players hit them
wet jacinth
fair kayak
I had a Zealot with a Thunder Hammer kill a Daemonhost in 2.5 seconds the other day
nocturne badge
of the devil claw swords, is there any that are better than the others?
wet jacinth
nocturne badge
particularly for horde clear?
wet jacinth
Mk4 iirc
olive ember
Idk I don’t use em at all
idle bay
Wait Devil Claw even considered to be an actual weapon to be used during missions?
long wharf
nope
olive ember
With the god blessings it’s a shitty hsword, which with god blessings is a shitty power sword
idle bay
Since beta i though it was just a joke weapons like rubber sword for kids
foggy tangle
why are there so many gun psykers now
wet jacinth
why are there so many gun psykers now
Magic gun
long wharf
why are there so many gun psykers now
because only the insane still play Darktide with any regularity
olive ember
why are there so many gun psykers now
The MetaPsykerBuildTM is gun Psyker
foggy tangle
been seeing a fuck ton in heresy, had 2 in one game last match lol
wet jacinth
because only the insane still play Darktide with any regularity
This is normal considering the norms in Vermintide
gilded viper
why are there so many gun psykers now
this is why
foggy tangle
The MetaPsykerBuildTM is gun Psyker
I thought it was just purge staff
ember hornet
mind in motion or the middle one? thinking mind in motion but idk all the mechanics for quell management yet with max gear/feats
olive ember
I thought it was just purge staff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/image.png
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MetaPsykerBuildTM
foggy tangle
wtf is this not even an antax
olive ember
It’s meta, confirmed to beat hi 5
foggy tangle
thought those swords were ass
gilded viper
It’s meta, confirmed to beat hi 5
with video proff
spice veldt
44 minute consignment yard; that's how you know you're in for a good time
spice veldt
lmao
fair kayak
44 minute consignment yard; that's how you know you're in for a good time
big oof
fair kayak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxsdarhI_MM
the only thing that these videos prove is that you can clear Damnation with literally random weapons and builds
leaden thunder
that's the joke
olive ember
The build is indeed the MetaPsykerBuildTM
fair kayak
just randomize weapons and feats and your average Damnation player would be juuuuust fine
in fact that should be a game mode
olive ember
Also it isn’t random weapons and builds
fair kayak
All Random
olive ember
These weapons and class traits were carefully selected
spice veldt
it's been carefully selected to fuck you over
olive ember
Peer reviewed
spice veldt
look at the lvl5 feat that they picked
olive ember
Made sure they were the absolute worse thing you could bring
olive ember
Now to bring it over to zealot
leaden thunder
full low hp build
gilded viper
all their feat kinda just work
olive ember
What about vet running this
gilded viper
F
olive ember
Tho I feel like they could counter fire crutch
gilded viper
gun recoil is fix
pale matrix
What’s better on damnation, purgatus staff or lightning staff?
gilded viper
depend
feel like hi int purg is better if there no flamers in the team already
light is good too if there is a flamer tho
olive ember
Both are good rly depends on team comp
gilded viper
kinda depend on the team comp
olive ember
Tbh every staff is pgood now
olive ember
@weary idol
devout axle
Have you tried Autopistol? Or Laspistol? Or Shotgun?
weary idol
psyker doesn't have shotgun
devout axle
Oh wait. They removed that last one in the first beta.
gilded viper
i wish psyker had shotgun
olive ember
psyker doesn't have shotgun
Stolen from us
gilded viper
auto pistol i try once need to do more run
olive ember
We had shotgun in CBT
devout axle
GIVE ME BACK MY SHOTGUN
gilded viper
laspistol is kinda 🤢 on psyker i feel
gilded viper
maybe since i play laspistol pretty diff on zelaot then psyker
devout axle
Laspistol is better on Psyker than any other class imo.
devout axle
I'd rather use an Autopistol for that on a Zealot.
devout axle
Because it melts through shit.
viral solstice
dogs are dying in more and more illegal ways to r andom voidstrike shit
poor dogies
devout axle
Good. Let the dogs die. Hate those bastards.
viral solstice
ive seen every combination of it now
this one i appreciate the most
because it gives me credit just 'cos
devout axle
My favorite is when you dodge a dog and they leap off a cliff.
Not a skill or class based thing. Just fun to watch.
viral solstice
crates and fences also apparently lethal to bogkind
so u know if u get some use out of this
wide tiger
My favorite is when you dodge a dog and they leap off a cliff.
Always makes me chuckle
devout axle
Bruh looks like he just force choked that dog like Darth Vader
wide tiger
its so funny to just see them go off the cliff too, locked in their static jump animation
viral solstice
with a heavy sword the strikedown heavy one shots dogs
as they jump
its the thing i miss most on psyker
wide tiger
heavy sword is just so fucking good
idle bay
As Ogryn i just swing shovel - it creates almost impenetrable anti-hound feild. As Zealot i simply charge heavy attach on Hammer calculating time of release by sound.
viral solstice
(a strikedown btw lol)
its my fave chop
wish devil claw had cool chops like that
cold geode
Need rampage 4 for my devils claw testing
viral solstice
funny story about rampage 4 on d evil claw
its 40%
but its 50% on heavy sword
they just had to kind of give it a wedgie
wide tiger
Yeah dueling sword gets 40% too i believe
cold geode
Yea I know it's 40
devout axle
Devil's Claw really do be the skinny nerd that nobody really likes but some people feel obligated to defend.
cold geode
I also know how good it is on zealot.
wide tiger
People defend the devil's claws?
viral solstice
i mean theyre usable just kinda disappointing
on zealot its like, a shitty sword but it has crit
so some people use it for that reason
wide tiger
They should shred hordes since they do dick all to elites
but their horde clear is kinda... ok
viral solstice
also their unique blessing
gilded viper
Their horde clear feel like it just to cc them
viral solstice
doesn't work
wide tiger
also parry....
gilded viper
No
wide tiger
oh great impact
gilded viper
NO WAY
viral solstice
yep
leaden thunder
more hammer for the hammer sword
spice veldt
wow
wide tiger
more impact blessings for the devils claw
viral solstice
even the name of the belssing in the lua
wide tiger
good my trauma + vicious slice devil's claw is too op then
viral solstice
welcome to the thunderdome
note that this was buffed
last patch
so somebody looked at those numbers
read that vicious slice should be damage
and increased it
then wrote in the patch notes vicious slice now does more damage
spice veldt
most cohesive dev team
gilded viper
gilded viper
Might as well use another blessing then
olive ember
Highly recommend
gilded viper
Mk 7 isn't that bad
olive ember
You haven’t experienced melee until you tried the mk 7
gilded viper
Just wack attack patterb
wide tiger
The irony is you can stack cc on the devils claw and cc like, 10 enemies, but then people swear by the surge staff still cause it "cc's"
olive ember
Just wack attack patterb
The mk 7 pattern is heavy - light repeat
wide tiger
it doesnt kill anything. it suuucks, wake up
olive ember
Surge is meta
devout axle
Surge is fine tbh. It's the people who use Surge that suck.
gilded viper
I'm surprise noone die on the surge can fuck armor, cause I don't use it for cc I use it to kill the scab enemy's
spice veldt
can any other melee knock down a crusher with their normal attacks (with the right blessings)
viral solstice
yes
gilded viper
Feel nice killing 3 gunner behind a wall
devout axle
Surge ... doesn't fuck armor tho. It's objectively worse at killing armored enemies that just ... Brainbursting them.
olive ember
can any other melee knock down a crusher with their normal attacks (with the rig...
FS push can
spice veldt
oh right lmao
wide tiger
You can just brainburst armored enemies
olive ember
wide tiger
Surge ... doesn't fuck armor tho. It's objectively worse at killing armored enem...
YESSS
echo turtle
But yeah you guys need to try out the mk 7
mk7 wat
wide tiger
CC'ing enemies. Have you tried killing them instead? It's CC that lasts forever instead of 2-3 seconds
olive ember
The devils claw mk 7 truly is the best weapon In The game
gilded viper
I mean yeah but I mean flank armor dude
devout axle
The only time I'm ever glad someone brought a Surge staff is when they knock a dog that was about to pounce me out of the air. Or when they stun an annyoing Mutant so I can two-tap it with my Dueling sword. And most of the time when that happens, they do it on accident while they are spamming their staff into a horde of Poxwalkers.
leaden thunder
I view it as
your team has to do more damage
but less work
I don't play it but I am 100% fine having one on the team
echo turtle
but also more work
wide tiger
because you have to do more damage
spice veldt
also depends on the mission
olive ember
Meh when the hi 5 game spawns 2 mutants 2 hounds 1 trapper 2 bursters, all while a bomber is zoning you off I prefer the surge staff over anything
spice veldt
mostly hab dreyko
wide tiger
but i get your sentiment
wide tiger
Meh when the hi 5 game spawns 2 mutants 2 hounds 1 trapper 2 bursters, all while...
Thats when i thank god vets are broken
echo turtle
I haven’t had a trauma staff on a team and felt like they helped much
olive ember
Thats when i thank god vets are broken
Lmao you must be getting decent vets then
gilded viper
I just like it countering skalter and scab shooter/gunner since I feel like it kill them in 1 or 2 charge , don't bother on using it on unarmor unit I'll just melee them
olive ember
I get literal bots for vets
wide tiger
Lmao you must be getting decent vets then
I do be playing with some solid vets from time to time
echo turtle
I just like it countering skalter and scab shooter/gunner since I feel like it k...
surge is good for basic shooty bois
surge + axe
devout axle
But Surge can be decent as long you are actually using it to stun something and then switching to melee or BB else to help kill. Not just spamming it the entire game. Like 90% of Surge players do.
echo turtle
^
gilded viper
I just never understand sugre player using it on horde
viral solstice
I just do a kickflip on my psykik skateboard and one shot whole enemy team with the score bonus
echo turtle
if you spam surge into chaff I immediately think ur garbo
gilded viper
Or enemy that isn't flank, like u doing negative damage
olive ember
I just never understand sugre player using it on horde
It looks funny
viral solstice
Zappy
olive ember
I sometimes do it just to piss off my team
They have power swords anyways and I’m lazy
gilded viper
Power sword 
Honesty thinking about psyker, surprise I never get call out in a negative way for using gun > staff
devout axle
Because people really don't care what you use as long as you are contributing.
It's the same way in Vermintide. Bring whatever you want into Cataclysm as long as you aren't weighing down the team.
olive ember
Yeah no one has commented on my MetaPsykerBuildTM
echo turtle
Honesty thinking about psyker, surprise I never get call out in a negative way f...
most people are like, woah cool how does that work for you
olive ember
Kinda disappointed
echo turtle
as long as they see you drop disablers, snipers and ogryn everyone loves you
gilded viper
echo turtle
Honesty thinking about psyker, surprise I never get call out in a negative way f...
gunkers slap anyways. The mk3 vraks is ridiculously good
feral crater
To me it just seems like nobody cares to communicate unless you are utter shit
gilded viper
Always get scare of joining a 3 man vet with it since recon if not manage correctly can need alot of ammo
devout axle
To me it just seems like nobody cares to communicate unless you are utter shit <...
This can be seen as a good thing. If your team isn't shitting on you, you're probably fine. But if they are, you know you're probably doing something wrong.
olive ember
I mean I already have damnation border so I don’t need their validation. I’ll bring in the worst builds ever and if they complain who cares. Game already told me I’m good
gilded viper
Qhat is the damnation border?
viral solstice
theres an npc on the mourningstar who tells u ur the best
theyre like "i hear ur the best"
thank u operative klaar
devout axle
😄
gilded viper
feral crater
Yeah. Still... You don't really know if you are appreciated or mediocre and hallucinating
olive ember
thank u operative klaar
I hate him
spice veldt
i'm the beloved psyker so I won't know either way
devout axle
Yeah. Still... You don't really know if you are appreciated or mediocre and hall...
That's my secret; I always assume I'm mediocre and chalk up any good plays I make to dumb luck.
left briar
why is duel sword so underrated? Everyone's lke force sword this force sword that
devout axle
What?
spice veldt
i don't think people say the force sword is that good
devout axle
Everyone loves the Dueling Sword.
olive ember
Cuz use knife
spice veldt
duelling swords have shit cleave
olive ember
Knife exists yes yes
gilded viper
I make the score board tell me I'm a good player by showing that I have 0 teamwork 
spice veldt
if you want a mobility option with uncanny strike, duelling swords are there
left briar
just increase your teamwork
gilded viper
Feel like the only good thing I heard about fs is blocking range damage and that it
spice veldt
good anti-rager
leaden thunder
but that's about it
olive ember
Good push and push attack
devout axle
But like ... I WISH the Force Sword was better. But its damage is shit outside of its special, its got terrible mobility stats, and its amazing push is offset by the fact that sometimes I blow myself up with it because of the Peril cost that my mind just can't wrap itself around.
spice veldt
you need good stat rolls because of how much it scales with them
olive ember
Honestly the terrible mobility is offset by infinite dodge
spice veldt
the force push-attack is not something that you use in stressful situations anyways
olive ember
You gotta get used to it but the small dodge is actually enough to just have most things miss you
Also infinite dodge means that I basically passively dodge snipers if I’m dealing with a horde
devout axle
It really isn't tho. You sprint slow as shit with it, it's horrible dodge makes repositioning a chore, and dodging dogs and mutants with it has a very small window.
gilded viper
For me it need more cleave to atleast not be total shit again hordes
spice veldt
you have the special to kill dogs
gilded viper
Against *
spice veldt
and dodging mutants is fine
devout axle
And tbh, the difference between infinite dodges and the 5 dodges that Dueling Sword or Knife have is not even noticeable.
Because you are never using all 5 of those dodges before they recharge anyways.
spice veldt
the interval during which you can dodge mutants is quite lenient; just know that it's better to dodge early than late
olive ember
It really isn't tho. You sprint slow as shit with it, it's horrible dodge makes ...
Push for dogs, mutant dodging is fine, infinite dodge means you can spam that shit to no end along with dodge slides
gilded viper
I always just dodge slide to give me the extra inch
spice veldt
and the force sword has 6 cleave on its heavies, which is quite good
olive ember
Goes up with slaughterer
devout axle
And no damage.
spice veldt
it deals about 40-ish minimum cleave damage
olive ember
Slaughterer is enough to bridge the damage gap
spice veldt
70-ish with slaughterer
olive ember
I can one shot those stupid bucket head dregs on damnation with enough slaughterer stacks
echo turtle
Slaughterer is enough to bridge the damage gap
even with max slaughterer a light weakspot attack does not 1 hit chaff on T5
spice veldt
FS lights are shit anyways
but the 1st heavy comes out fast enough
against scab bruisers, there's always the 3rd light
echo turtle
FS heavies are slow af
olive ember
They really aren’t
spice veldt
2nd heavy is slow compared to the 1st
olive ember
It’s got cleave and damage
spice veldt
compared to the 1st heavy
echo turtle
not really much of either