Mutants and Ragers walking up to say hello.
#psyker-class
digital narwhal
summer prairie
plus you can sneak in some hits while they are stunned
echo turtle
Hence imo + flakk and + unarmored is ideal damage perks for it
static epoch
If you're quick enough Trauma does that job better.
echo turtle
uh naw
summer prairie
well mutants you stun once and then headshot a few times with the knife
hybrid solstice
trauma doesnt do so well when enemies are elevated though
echo turtle
its not gonna deny flamers trappers and bursters
summer prairie
ragers just die anyway
gleaming comet
Trauma takes some precision and sucks against elevation, but it's still really cool and good imo
static epoch
Aiming within geometry yes, it's not great.
still hearth
Like I think Surge can be fine but I just don't like the lack of AoE
hybrid solstice
also i dont think trauma staggers dogs very well, if at all
still hearth
Compared to the other staffs
If someone is already bringing a flamer then Surge is great
static epoch
But having to maintain a target with surge is not preferable to putting something on the ground in the same time, but with damage.
echo turtle
Surge is amazing at what its amazing at
static epoch
Because in that time you can already close the gap and kill it.
digital narwhal
God I love the Trauma Staff.
It feels so meaty.
echo turtle
but thTs why you pair with an axe
static epoch
Get a knife and trauma. It's insane.
echo turtle
knife is GoaT
digital narwhal
Oh also
echo turtle
mlol
digital narwhal
I hope the improve the Trauma Staffs blast radius.
echo turtle
get on our level
digital narwhal
Since the AOE is still borked iirc, right?
summer prairie
it's kind of funny how large the non-epicenter radius is
hybrid solstice
i have a trauma staff with max AoE stat and it still feels pretty small at times
still hearth
Trauma is like
gleaming comet
I'm unsure what melee I want to pair with Trauma tbh. DS is great mobility, but FS seems to be better at killing elites in melee (plus being able to actively quell with melee wep out seems very useful)
static epoch
It's just hard to use, for many reasons. It's also not going to stagger anything that has received resistance from other blows. That to me is the only downside other than jank geometry and lack of epicenter visuals.
digital narwhal
at 80% it's 2.3m epicentre and 8.4m radius.
echo turtle
whatever melee you like. knife or axe or if you prefer not to actually fight, a FS
gleaming comet
I have melee brain permanently turned on because I main Zealot, so keep that in mind
digital narwhal
I just like the Chainsword with Trauma.
The sound effects release happy chemicals in my brain.
leaden thunder
being able to melee brain
is a good skill in this game
that's why so many vets just get folded
static epoch
I am playing a lot of brittle on trauma with backstab and rending knife.
Big boost for whole team.
hybrid solstice
also
static epoch
But having bleed on knife is very hit and miss when you don't get that team mate that benefits from it.
echo turtle
that's why so many vets just get folded
psykers too.
people think the psyker is a mage and the vet from counterstrike
echo turtle
Everyone is a melee class and everyone needs to fight
hybrid solstice
the left click shots on the non purgatus staves should fly like two times faster imo
echo turtle
Oh man
leaden thunder
so it's easy to notice
hybrid solstice
like at least
gleaming comet
the one thing I've tried to fit into my Psyker play is fixing the big problem I have with other Psyker players when I'm playing my Zealot
echo turtle
I laugh so hard at shot vets dropping to 5 walkers
hybrid solstice
maybe even 3 times
summer prairie
bleed is basically just boss damage for psykers, but that's fine because knife blessings are very lackluster
gleaming comet
in that I'm out there clearing a path with my Ogryn buddy or another Zealot and things are going great, we see that the Psyker went down, and it turns out they're 2 rooms back
echo turtle
my dagger crits muties for 2700
still hearth
I just found out
That Surge
Wont bounce
If it doesn't have a minimum distance
gleaming comet
lol
still hearth
If enemies are compacted it doesn't bounce
static epoch
Yeah my knife too, also around 600-1700 on carapace heads.
echo turtle
that doesn’t seem right
still hearth
Idk how big that distance is
still hearth
It might only be when enemies are literally inside of each other tbh
echo turtle
Yeah my knife too, also around 600-1700 on carapace heads.
you running uncanny?
hybrid solstice
bro fatshark what is up with all the dollar store staves
digital narwhal
Trauma Staff go brrr.
echo turtle
mine only got that high with uncanny
idle bay
Some random good soul tricked me into Damnation missions ... twice! Finished both decently.
Yes i'm filthy Heresy casual with 1000 + missions who avoided playing Damnation all this time because i'm lazy 🙂
static epoch
Trauma Staff go brrr.
this ❤️
leaden thunder
Some random good soul tricked me into Damnation missions ... twice! Finished bot...
noice
echo turtle
Some random good soul tricked me into Damnation missions ... twice! Finished bot...
play whatever you like
static epoch
meanwhile a surge staff would have just stunned one pack and done 30% hp damage in that time
leaden thunder
I recently started to do more damn
echo turtle
if you like heresy better, there should no shame in that
still hearth
So yeah
gleaming comet
Heresy is comfy and easy, can't blame you for wanting to stick to it if you're not feeling up to doing Damnation all the time
still hearth
If enemies are inside of each other
leaden thunder
and the jump isn't that big compared to malcie to heresy
summer prairie
don't think I've ever noticed that in-game
hybrid solstice
damnation is pretty comfy if everyone is on top of killing specials
echo turtle
meanwhile a surge staff would have just stunned one pack and done 30% hp damage ...
Surge has a different time and place to use. Learn how to use it and it you will outperform a trauma user
digital narwhal
I play Damnation pretty comfortably because I've just gotten used to it
echo turtle
I’ve yet to have a psyker using a trauma or void beat me on a scorebaord
still hearth
Like on the same pixel
echo turtle
not even close
still hearth
So its not applicable in game
Unless
You hit them when the drop down
In the same spot
Maybe
static epoch
That would make sense if you were the only player on the team.
echo turtle
Seems like its not something we need to worry about
hybrid solstice
i definitely notice the other players' characters trigger their compliment dialogue way more often when i am using purgatus
it just clears so much harder
echo turtle
That would make sense if you were the only player on the team.
I would rather have an ogryn than a trauma psyker
knocks everything around even better but also kills tons of shit
doesnt die as much in Cc
hybrid solstice
would you still rather have him if he brings a shield :^)
static epoch
Why not get both have the ogryn do 25% more damage.
echo turtle
would you still rather have him if he brings a shield :^)
you got me
echo turtle
Why not get both have the ogryn do 25% more damage.
If trauma is the way you maximize your ability to help the team go nuts
I find, I trauma users underperform.
hybrid solstice
trauma can apply brittle, no idea if that is even useful, i have never looked into it
echo turtle
nothing about the staff appeals to me personally, but I see a lot of people love it
gleaming comet
Brittle is very solid
hybrid solstice
but otherwise it just doesnt hit as hard or as wide
echo turtle
its not really
leaden thunder
trauma can apply brittle, no idea if that is even useful, i have never looked in...
depends on what weapons your team is using
static epoch
Across the weapons I've tested it's about 25% more damage on most targets that have armor.
echo turtle
that adds a small damage buff
leaden thunder
and if they relize it aplies it
echo turtle
depends on the weapon
leaden thunder
if you have like
echo turtle
if ur weapon already pens, it doesn’t add much
digital narwhal
I’ve yet to have a psyker using a trauma or void beat me on a scorebaord
Well the point of those staffs is versatility; they're not gonna be topping scoreboards vs specialised weapons, but they're gonna be good in most or all situations.
Especially Trauma.
echo turtle
Surge is a versatility staff too
leaden thunder
a bolter zealot, plasma vet and some kind of clob ogryn
leaden thunder
it isn't gonna do much
hybrid solstice
trauma's like idk
it's okay, ive used it a few times, but then, i didnt super enjoy conflag in vt2
digital narwhal
Surge is a support tool.
still hearth
A weapon with 100% pen gets nothing from Brittleness
digital narwhal
It doesn't do anywhere near as much damage as Trauma or Voidstrike.
static epoch
It's just different ways of enabling your team.
Personally I'm done with surge because it's braindead.
summer prairie
you enable yourself too
echo turtle
I have a scoreboard where I run surge and top the board with “leaser enemy kills”
with 450
digital narwhal
you enable yourself too
I never liked Surge because it lacks killing potential.
Wrong message-
still hearth
Surge kills certain things very well.
digital narwhal
Personally I'm done with surge because it's braindead.
Meant to reply to this one.
still hearth
But I think it has too high costs.
echo turtle
it does certain things well, and can support well
still hearth
And too low cleave damage
hybrid solstice
surge can kill some things easily but then other things feel like they take 0 damage from it
digital narwhal
Surge kills certain things very well.
I wanna be able to kill everything very well :(
echo turtle
you use it as part of your toolset
hybrid solstice
it is odd
echo turtle
when I run surge, I run barrage
I burst a lot, I fight a lot
it’s a very active build. and it deals@with everything by using all the tools you have
hybrid solstice
tbh i run barrage on everything that isn't purg
digital narwhal
Also, this is a good set up for Trauma Staff, ye?
Haven't played Psyker in a couple months so-
still hearth
I'd run 6 warp charges
digital narwhal
Wanna make sure.
still hearth
Over KB any time
echo turtle
why would you use it on infested and unarmored?
#I think a full charge is 120 to the first target
still hearth
Especially with communion
echo turtle
so, unless its a dreg gunner, you don’t use it on them
hybrid solstice
flaying used to be the pick but then they altered warp charges to fall off only one at a time
still hearth
Dreg gunners are flak btw
echo turtle
communion no
digital narwhal
Over KB any time
I ran KB to more consistently stay at high stacks, since the shockwave is great at triggering it-
echo turtle
psykinetic aura
echo turtle
barrage and aura chefs kiss
still hearth
The stacks fall off one by one now
So there's no reason to run KB other than being lazy
digital narwhal
Fair
echo turtle
theres a reason
still hearth
Since 2 more stacks is 8% more damage and 12% peril resistance
echo turtle
purgatus builds, using essence harvest
gleaming comet
Also, this is a good set up for Trauma Staff, ye?
I'd personally run Wrath at 10 and Aura or Lacerations at 15, but that's just me
summer prairie
the peril resistance and damage may not do anything for you though
echo turtle
fire trigger regen
summer prairie
especially the extra damage
still hearth
How do you even need more warp charges
summer prairie
probably doesn't hit any breakpoint
echo turtle
for regen
hybrid solstice
the BB from flaying also procs any BB related feats but a lot of them kinda are doody atm so it doesnt matter that much
summer prairie
and with just communion you aren't going to sit at 6 charges
still hearth
Yeah but you already get charges constantly
echo turtle
its jot total charges it’s consistent procs of the regen
summer prairie
you are going to frequently drop to 3, 4
digital narwhal
I'd personally run Wrath at 10 and Aura or Lacerations at 15, but that's just me
I prefer 2-2 over 2-1 because it lets me spam Trauma more lol
still hearth
Yeah
echo turtle
you arent always flaming
summer prairie
unless you babysit with BBs
still hearth
Flame all the time
echo turtle
lol
still hearth
Yes you should be
echo turtle
no
echo turtle
nope
still hearth
There's literally no downside to flame once
It stays for 8s
And you get 10% chance to get a warp charge
echo turtle
Thats not true
still hearth
Uh, yes?
echo turtle
flame actually needs to kill it
gleaming comet
I prefer 2-2 over 2-1 because it lets me spam Trauma more lol
fair enough. I just like 2-1 because it helps out with BBing and will (if I go back to FS) help more with the sword's own damage
still hearth
Nope
echo turtle
Prove it
still hearth
People have tested this
unreal dust
6 stacks of Flame Burst is enough to kill poxwalkers 100% to 0%
hybrid solstice
it could be a case of the text saying it needs to kill to work, but y'know how fatshark coding be sometimes
echo turtle
yeah, hence warp bat with ascendant
its solid
you can nuke a whole horde and face sonething else
it also drops snipers
hybrid solstice
love AB
summer prairie
anyway, if you aren't running AB and don't hit any breakpoints with the extra 2 warp charges
echo turtle
barrage is good tho
hybrid solstice
it definitely is
summer prairie
warp battery isn't particularly useful
echo turtle
but I am skeptical that anything that does while on fire has a chance to give you a charge
unreal dust
So!
hybrid solstice
if nothing else it's a free burst of boss damage
echo turtle
I didn’t test it extensively but it appeared that it didn’t work when I tried. I would love to be proven wrong
summer prairie
there have been many clips that show it works
summer prairie
no
echo turtle
yeah
still hearth
Yes
unreal dust
but I am skeptical that anything that does while on fire has a chance to give yo...
The trick is they have to die to flame stacks--not the staff.
summer prairie
and with just communion you won't have 6 charges most of the time anyway
you may have fewer average stacks than with 5-3
echo turtle
The trick is they have to die to flame stacks--not the staff.
this is what I’m talking about
hybrid solstice
bros my hollow-point breakpoint rounds...
echo turtle
people keep saying they just have to be on fire and die
summer prairie
unless you are BBing and paying attention
echo turtle
but I am@pretty sure they have to die to the stack ticking
unreal dust
but I am@pretty sure they have to die to the stack ticking
They must die to stack ticking. I have sat and ultra-broiled things in Psyk and never gotten a stack
hybrid solstice
i find that when i flame a horde i get up to 6 stacks pretty easily
unreal dust
i find that when i flame a horde i get up to 6 stacks pretty easily
In fairness this is easy to do with a horde
echo turtle
They must die to stack ticking. I have sat and ultra-broiled things in Psyk and ...
This is what I found too, but multiple people here are stating otherwise
summer prairie
yes with purg you are going to be sitting at 5-6 most of the time
long osprey
Do terrifying barrage on the void staff works if you are far from your target?
summer prairie
but with just 4% and something like trauma, no
unreal dust
This is what I found too, but multiple people here are stating otherwise
Like I actually got really bored. And sat there for 10 minutes. Making sure I Broiled the pack in Psyk. You don't get a stack if they don't die to stacks
still hearth
hybrid solstice
there also tend to be enough shooters throughout each level to get you to 6, since you will have to be bursting them anyway
echo turtle
blaze gets lots of charges with purge. I use essence harvest which means AB gets me regen. Which is why I dont tKe barrGe
unreal dust
echo turtle
You swap out AB for barrage and now you don’t get those charhes
unreal dust
What I run currently. So I ALWAYS have 5+ stacks
echo turtle
making essence regen significantly lower
fair kayak
eeeeeeew wtf is that
hybrid solstice
i run mind in motion lel
echo turtle
ew
unreal dust
Fuck Peril resistance. I tried it heavily while going for Pick and Mix penance. I hated it. Force Weapon damage for life
echo turtle
So I definitely got a charge from AB
did you make sure to turn off communion
still hearth
Yes
fair kayak
Fuck Peril resistance. I tried it heavily while going for Pick and Mix penance. ...
did you have to go to school to be that wrong or does it just come naturally
still hearth
I never run communion
fair kayak
Inner Tranquility is bae
olive ember
Communion is fine for purge
still hearth
But I've definitely gotten stacks
echo turtle
innter tranq so much better
fair kayak
Inner Tranq is the only talent I NEVER change
olive ember
Force weapon at lvl 10?
unreal dust
Hate it. Hate it so much
fair kayak
its 100% on all the time
echo turtle
If you take a FS you could@maybe make an arguement for the damage bonus.
but like
its so small
fair kayak
Hate it. Hate it so much
well you need to git good then
unreal dust
I go Force Weapon with my Crits blessing on Purge Staff. Everything dies.
summer prairie
you can make the case that with surge 2-1 is ok, you are going to be sitting at high peril and quelling only to the safe threshold
echo turtle
thats a pretty bad combo
olive ember
The purge direct damage is 9-11 per tick
echo turtle
like, you could build it weaker if you tried I suppose
olive ember
Force weapon gives you at max like maybe 2 more damage a tick
fair kayak
See thats the problem with this game. Its too opaque, no one knows how anything actually works and then they run around thinking they are doing 15% extra damage and they are actually doing ducking nothing
olive ember
Yeah it was something I tried testing in meat grinder
Like a while back
Force weapon is completely useless save maybe trauma staff? Even then probably not
summer prairie
no, only useful for surge but questionable even then
olive ember
It really isn’t
fair kayak
Force Weapon is ALWAYS the wrong choice
olive ember
Surge does like no damage and the warp resist serves it much better
summer prairie
surge does plenty of damage
olive ember
For chain CC
fair kayak
Inner Tranq is always the right choice
pine relic
If you have kinetic flayer you can melt mutants
summer prairie
peril resistance doesnt do anything when you are already at max peril and only quell down to safe threshold
fair kayak
surge does plenty of damage
define plenty
summer prairie
800+ crits on flak
olive ember
And idk about voidstrike but most people run transfer peril so I would assume not
summer prairie
with 40+ crit chance
fair kayak
800+ crits on flak
So you play Malice then?
Peril Resistance = more uptime on staff attacks and brainburst
summer prairie
800+ is good vs a bunch of elites
fair kayak
Peril Resistance IS more damage
olive ember
Surge is still better with peril resistance because you spam the damn thing
gleaming comet
unless you're always edging
summer prairie
I just said that if you have transfer peril, you may not get anything out of it
olive ember
Also quelling takes like 3 seconds
summer prairie
and with surge you are always at 90+ peril and jump back to 100 anyway
fair kayak
and with surge you are always at 90+ peril and jump back to 100 anyway
not if you arent playing like a retard
press F
summer prairie
I use inner tranquility with surge fyi, but there is a case to be maed
olive ember
I mean I can test the numbers when I get home but
fair kayak
Never ever
olive ember
Atleast one or two I’d believe
fair kayak
enough to make it the best talent in the row
summer prairie
probably
fair kayak
in every situation
hybrid solstice
what if my case is that taking force weapon is funny
olive ember
The only way I’d imagine force weapon being useful is if it significantly buffed surge breakpoints
Currently it takes like 4 full charges to kill a mauler
echo turtle
auto crit + flames on crit could be dece if thats right abour blaze triggered on any death if on fire
olive ember
No crits
fair kayak
Whats really gonna blow your mind is when you find out Essence Harvest is the best lvl 5 feat
echo turtle
Currently it takes like 4 full charges to kill a mauler
stun the maulr then hit with something else
echo turtle
Whats really gonna blow your mind is when you find out Essence Harvest is the be...
it is
by far
olive ember
stun the maulr then hit with something else
Nah someone was saying force weapon might be useful on surge
olive ember
But I don’t think it would be unless it hit a breakpoint
unreal dust
Nah someone was saying force weapon might be useful on surge
Surge runs so heavy on peril gen though
summer prairie
surge breakpoints are fluid because your charge time vary
it like can help vs scab shooters
but yeah if you are at high peril you are going to mostly min-mid charge
at least until warp flurry is fixed
echo turtle
near 40% less quelling downtime is better than 10% less damage
summer prairie
it's not 40% less though
summer prairie
unless you always quell back down to like 50
echo turtle
depends
olive ember
To be fair that’s like 2 seconds of quelling which you could prob do
Unless you are getting screwed by two mutants and their dogs
echo turtle
uptime dps
fair kayak
So! I decided to do some more testing
unreal dust
W/ Force Weapon, your burn ticks get about an extra 20 damage at max stacks
Per tick
hybrid solstice
Whats really gonna blow your mind is when you find out Essence Harvest is the be...
it synergizes with ascendant blaze which synergizes with the best staff
olive ember
You mean the DoT?
echo turtle
meh
unreal dust
This is against Unyielding Reapers
hybrid solstice
fatshark mislabeled their pyromancer class on god
echo turtle
lol
olive ember
I can run it back but it didn’t seem like it affected the DoT at all last time I checked
summer prairie
you aren't going to be at max peril with purge most of the time
so you are probably getting more like 10%
olive ember
Both times a full charge against a mauler the burn ticked for the same amount
fair kayak
it synergizes with ascendant blaze which synergizes with the best staff
it also synergizes with Kinetic Barrage, which is the best lvl 30 feat
unreal dust
you aren't going to be at max peril with purge most of the time
I am always at max peril with purge. Because I'm not running inner tranq, lol
And I'm burning bodies to quell
hybrid solstice
it also synergizes with Kinetic Barrage, which is the best lvl 30 feat
It does do that too yea
fair kayak
I am always at max peril with purge. Because I'm not running inner tranq, lol
Seems like an error
hybrid solstice
Ironically i dont think KB is the best unless you're not using purg
unreal dust
Bumps me down to 90%, and I just keep rolling
echo turtle
Ironically i dont think KB is the best unless you're not using purg
agree
echo turtle
though its still good with purge
unreal dust
Kinetic Barrage is super consistent, yes.
fair kayak
Ironically i dont think KB is the best unless you're not using purg
I think KB is actually BiS with purge
olive ember
Nah most people run AB
unreal dust
But having that 6 stack waveclear is hot. But if you don't -need- that 6 stack, you can probably run something else
fair kayak
Nah most people run AB
I know, but they are wrong
olive ember
AB + warp battery is a good synergy that gives your purge the ability to deal with shooters
unreal dust
If Kinetic Overload were more consistent... I would consider KB
hybrid solstice
I think KB is actually BiS with purge
well im sure there are cases for it but you could barrage and BB several shooters or you could have AB and just hit F
olive ember
Not nearly as quickly
echo turtle
it does pretty fast
fair kayak
well im sure there are cases for it but you could barrage and BB several shooter...
I would stipulate that IF your team comp is relying on YOU to kill shooters, AB is better
olive ember
When you have 15 shooters AB is better
fair kayak
However in most situations KB is much much better
echo turtle
if they are nice enough to all line up gor the nova
fair kayak
especially now that you can sit at 6 stacks the whole time
olive ember
Meh you gain stacks back so quickly I’d argue AB is just generally better
hybrid solstice
thing is, i dont even take AB for deleting shooters, though it certainly can do that, it just lets purgatus keep 6 stacks of warp charge easier, and for free
safe crystal
kb deals with shooters
This is just a hot take, and you know it. You can always time your KB dealing with 30+ shooters vs AB if you want, i guarantee its slower 100% of the time. They dont need to line up, its a cone to 30m in front of you
olive ember
It’s gives you the ability to clear an entire room of trash with one key
echo turtle
its not a hot take I run ab all the time
you usually dont snare that many in the cone
safe crystal
Well, then time KB dealing with 30 shooters faster than AB. Until then, its a hot take
hybrid solstice
If i am not using purg for any reason though, then i just take KB
safe crystal
Well, then time the 10 instead. Again, AB is faster
echo turtle
that’s like a karate guy saying. i’ll show you the power on karate. grab my wrist exactly in this way
i will show you my move
safe crystal
Im giving you leeway here mate, time the 10 that you say you'd catch with it
echo turtle
you gitta grab it just like this
olive ember
To be fair alot of people here are purge staff mains
I’m like the only surge staff main sadge
hybrid solstice
KB's advantage is that it works immediately and independently of your currently held warp charge stacks which is good if you cant take advantage of the passive soulblaze part of AB
olive ember
AB is a lot more general use in the sense that you can use it on hordes, you can use it on shooters, you can even use it on elites to immediately build burn stacks
I run surge but after failing two damnation games where I had auto pistol zealot and another with revolver zealot due to mixed hordes
unreal dust
kb deals with shooters
Did more testing just to make extra extra sure.
Without warp Charges: 138 vs 157 per tick against Reapers/Unyielding. Both tests are done at 100% peril
olive ember
I’m starting to think about switching
hybrid solstice
I use purg, but i did a few T5 runs with trauma today
echo turtle
so it effects burn ticks, cool
unreal dust
I've seen Trauma used well. But it definitely needs the right blessings
echo turtle
good to know
unreal dust
Peril is greater sustained DPS. Force Weapon is definitely greater burst DPS
But this calculus gets screwy once you take Battle Meditation into account
echo turtle
another argument for kb on purge, dropping 6 stacks to nova drops ur dps until they are back up
kb + psykinetic is strong sf. and helps the team
unreal dust
another argument for kb on purge, dropping 6 stacks to nova drops ur dps until t...
Non-issue. Because you have roasted an entire horde with 6 stacks, you are getting rolls on that entire horde. Its usually back to 6 within 5-10 seconds
safe crystal
Mans just full of hot takes today
unreal dust
Disclaimer: I also run communion
echo turtle
or used to quell
hybrid solstice
i also run communion
unreal dust
I find Communion + AB + 6-stack burst puts me to full stacks almost instantly if I aim it well
coarse dagger
only 600+ refines and no tier 4 perk lol
olive ember
@safe crystal my hot take is that Quicken is BiS for Surge
digital narwhal
I'd run 6 warp charges
Worked out much better
torpid olive
Why do some traits have a red lock on them on my stuff?
echo turtle
wis always
unreal dust
<@208673746565726209> my hot take is that Quicken is BiS for Surge
I have... never heard of anybody taking Quicken on purpose.
olive ember
Why do some traits have a red lock on them on my stuff?
You can only change one blessing and one perk and the other one gets locked and can’t get changed
safe crystal
<@208673746565726209> my hot take is that Quicken is BiS for Surge
Not the dreaded quicken surge, destroyer of meta
river sand
surge staff is AB and 6 stacks for sure
torpid olive
You can only change one blessing and one perk and the other one gets locked and ...
Ah alright, thank you
hybrid solstice
my decision wasnt that thought out, half the playerbase are vets and their ult CD is short af anyway, they'll live without the CD reduction
unreal dust
surge staff is AB and 6 stacks for sure
This I see a lot, just to handle poxwalkers
olive ember
Zealots get double charges and aren’t in coherency half the time anyways
fair kayak
I have... never heard of anybody taking Quicken on purpose.
I never heard of anyone taking Force Weapon on purpose either, but then I met you.
summer prairie
only 600+ refines and no tier 4 perk lol
Low blessing rating does that
hybrid solstice
Zealots get double charges and aren’t in coherency half the time anyways
big true
coarse dagger
Low blessing rating does that
oh so its tied to that
pls servitor me hadron i cant do this weird system anymore
echo turtle
toughness regeneration does not interact with essence harvest right?
river sand
This I see a lot, just to handle poxwalkers
it might not be the best way, but i damn sure feels good to at least sometimes beeing able to do anything against horde ^^
unreal dust
I never heard of anyone taking Force Weapon on purpose either, but then I met yo...
Besides. Taking Force Weapon also lets me do funny things... like one-shot mutants on Damnation with my Force Sword
hybrid solstice
i use force weapon because i use mind in motion
olive ember
I forget you gotta do like a charged heavy swing to the tiny ass face of the mutant
olive ember
i use force weapon because i use mind in motion
digital narwhal
Reckon I should replace Savage Sweep with T2 Rampage or T3 Shred?
Just got those two Blessings, so
wanna hear some opinions.
olive ember
The chainsword user is back
olive ember
Honestly dunno since I don’t use chainsword
digital narwhal
Chainswords are cool
olive ember
Lemme go check vet chat for blessings
fair kayak
The best part about this whole discussion is that it proves that the Feats dont really matter
you can pick the worst feats and still clear damnation
I think thats probably a good thing
digital narwhal
Damnation is very much down to player skill
Builds just tailor to playstyles
To a certain extent
hybrid solstice
but like unironically though, the other two feats in that section with mind in motion are the wound curios of feats
fair kayak
much of the power is baked into the base mechanics of the weapons
digital narwhal
If you have shit weapons, then you're gonna have a harder time still
olive ember
Yeah there’s barely anything about chain sword blessings even in chat history
fair kayak
but like unironically though, the other two feats in that section with mind in m...
elaborate?
echo turtle
The best part about this whole discussion is that it proves that the Feats dont ...
2-3 of the players in the quad need to have good feats still
olive ember
but like unironically though, the other two feats in that section with mind in m...
Deflection is the best because it lets you spam push attacks and can get you out of bad scenarios
echo turtle
You can do that without deflection too
olive ember
It also lets psyker clutch a lot better cuz it lets them revive through
echo turtle
you would be shocked how littlw you actually get hit
olive ember
You can’t spam push attacks
echo turtle
yeah you can
olive ember
Not really I’ve tried on zealot atleast
unreal dust
You can definitely spam push attacks with Force sword...
echo turtle
psyker push spam is due to the stam regen
echo turtle
KD is only active the faction of a second you block before shoving and attacking
olive ember
The push on that damn thing is ranged and knocks literally everything over
echo turtle
75% of that cycle your Kd does nothing
FS push spam isn’t that great imo as it has poor followup
olive ember
It’s also good for revive clutches since it stacks like 10 extra stamina bars
echo turtle
butbyou can spam push and buy time for your team to do something
hybrid solstice
elaborate?
It's basically 33% reduction on damage you should be avoiding (and wont necessarily be available on demand) and the other is you get to RP as a slab shield ogryn
echo turtle
I don’t even bother trying to clutch revives like that
unreal dust
See... I'm addicted to KD though. I like being the budget store ogryn and walking into a gun line so the vets can be brave enough to actually shoot
echo turtle
they just go right back down most of the time
KD is great
I used it most of the time
unreal dust
Also because Purge leaves me desperately range limited >.>
leaden thunder
KD
olive ember
It's basically 33% reduction on damage you should be avoiding (and wont necessar...
Nah mind in motion is QoL but it’s functionality is redundant since you can dodge and slide while quelling
echo turtle
but look at your scoreboard
unreal dust
And I gotta close that gap
leaden thunder
makes you a better shieldgryn
echo turtle
how many times you block all game?
olive ember
peril blocking and shield both have some functionality
echo turtle
13 blocked attacks?
unreal dust
how many times you block all game?
I lose count. Gunners go BRRRRT
olive ember
Peril blocking is just a good safety net if some Garbo happens and shield is… well I think it’s meh but alot of people don’t so
I’ll leave shield at that
leaden thunder
Imean
echo turtle
You have a fs, dodge
fair kayak
It's basically 33% reduction on damage you should be avoiding (and wont necessar...
I like KD with Deflector Force sword
echo turtle
why are you standing and blocking qhen you can dodge
olive ember
why are you standing and blocking qhen you can dodge
You can dodge while blocking too
sinful vector
Yeah mind in motion is a weird QoL perk in a row of defensive perks that you can kinda make redundant with dodging, that perk never made sense to me
unreal dust
why are you standing and blocking qhen you can dodge
So the vets can shoot. Its a team game
olive ember
It’s the oh the mutant threw me into the pox Walker horde moment
Where deflector can let you clutch
digital narwhal
Man, I love watching enemies explode into giblets.
olive ember
And it’s a safety net I’m willing take a perk for
unreal dust
And you can't really 'dodge' gunners and reapers that effectively. They do land hits
olive ember
You can but only for a distance from my experience
unreal dust
And I will admit I am not so pro that I feel comfortable risking shotgunners without it
olive ember
So if you are in the damn open for wte reason
leaden thunder
slide againt shooty lads
echo turtle
So the vets can shoot. Its a team game
lol, Shield ogryn best ogryn right
olive ember
Also people shit on shield ogryns but there are genuine uses. Like when I tell my friend to revive the Garbo veteran rando while I block the gunner shooting at us
hybrid solstice
Nah mind in motion is QoL but it’s functionality is redundant since you can dodg...
that's true but you can do both of those and also move at normal speed at the same time which means your movement is more consistent. You can live without it of course. It'd probably be worse if this game didnt have so many objectives that require simultaneous combat and movement
echo turtle
lol
unreal dust
Also people shit on shield ogryns but there are genuine uses. Like when I tell m...
This is a thing that KD+Deflector lets me do
echo turtle
would have been more helpful if the shield ogryn killed the gunner
leaden thunder
Also people shit on shield ogryns but there are genuine uses. Like when I tell m...
execpt it doesn't actually do that
becuase it can target you
hybrid solstice
but as things stand i think it's pretty great
leaden thunder
behind the shield a lot of the time
unreal dust
lol, Shield ogryn best ogryn right
It troo though! So many times I've been stuck on long catwalks like Smelter map. And I just say 'fuck it' and walk forwards because we don't have a Zealot or Ogryn
echo turtle
I have seen a psyker use deflector@to block for a revive one time where it actually worked.
The psyker COULD have just killed the gunners
unreal dust
And then just shove the scabs until my team can safely engage
hybrid solstice
KD + Deflector is excellent for daemonhosts
olive ember
Meh it’s worked for me, whether that’s just me getting lucky with aggro kr not
echo turtle
deflector does nothing in that situation
and you can solo a host with a knife
not with a fs
hybrid solstice
It gives block efficiency
olive ember
KD + Deflector is excellent for daemonhosts
Tbf I don’t use that argument because you shouldn’t be aggroing a daemon host anyways
echo turtle
block efficiency only affects stam blocking
olive ember
Even if you can solo it you take half your health via passive corruption
echo turtle
not peril blocking
olive ember
I’m p sure people said it affected peril generation
hybrid solstice
Tbf I don’t use that argument because you shouldn’t be aggroing a daemon host an...
it's more of a you can, not you should
olive ember
Block efficiency that is
hybrid solstice
not peril blocking
Oh i didnt know that, rip
hybrid solstice
well then idk
echo turtle
thats what reddit says, I haven’t tested it since, I think deflector is a waste considering dodging exists
hybrid solstice
KD + Deflector if you wanna block a room full of shooters i guess
Idk i dont run it
fair kayak
thats what reddit says, I haven’t tested it since, I think deflector is a waste ...
its not necessary most of the time but sometimes its massively clutch
hybrid solstice
that's what i do
unreal dust
I kill them
Do you run purge or Surge?
hybrid solstice
which is why i dont run it
olive ember
I can run both mostly run surge but the 10/10 elite inquisition members I find recently have been making me reconsider
echo turtle
they target the team aswell
summer prairie
No, block efficiency affects all blocking
echo turtle
both are good. Surge needs you to be great at melee to succeed
hybrid solstice
No, block efficiency affects all blocking
zamn
whom do i believe
summer prairie
Never reddit
echo turtle
its easy ti test
olive ember
No, block efficiency affects all blocking
I’m going to believe you because otherwise I’d have a useless perk on two of my gold curios
unreal dust
If I ever get Bloodthirst Blessing, then I -might- drop deflector
hybrid solstice
i probably wouldnt run KD either way, so eh
unreal dust
But until then, I rather like KD+Deflector
summer prairie
It's super easy to test now with creature spawner
echo turtle
KD is great, I an trying some builds with shield. but only becuase I stacked 55% sniper and gunner resistance
mind in motion is WiS
sinful vector
mind in motion should just be reworked imo
unreal dust
KD is great, I an trying some builds with shield. but only becuase I stacked 55%...
Sigh. I really do wish Deflector at least reduced sniper damage. Sometimes I get caught at the worst time...
olive ember
MiM is nice QoL but yeah if you take it off and can get used to the movement the other two offer more utility imo
echo turtle
hence why I run 80% resist to them lol
hybrid solstice
nah the other two are like skill issue
sinful vector
Maybe a perk that lets you quell with normal melee weapons would be interesting or something idk im not a game designer (although switching to staff to quell is usually no issue)
echo turtle
instead we get run ij gun. which allows us to take +25% damage while we shoot
yaaaah
hybrid solstice
To me it's like why as a psyker do u need to block like a pseudo slab ogryn
olive ember
I mean same thing could be said about anything in the tree
echo turtle
FS with KS can get a theoretical 83% DR while dodging and sliding
hybrid solstice
right so i see no point in KD unless you are trying Deflector jank out with it
olive ember
Why do you need the extra toughness, just dodge lol
echo turtle
I would not run KD with a FS
olive ember
Why do you need the move speed while quelling? Just dodge lol
echo turtle
KD with knife or axe is lit tho
sinful vector
Why do you need the move speed while quelling? Just dodge lol
Thats actually lowkey true tho
olive ember
The entire column is basically utility
echo turtle
Dodge works in all directions and takes 0 damage from@missed shots
block is a 45 degree angle in front of you and you’re moving slo
olive ember
One is for clutching (KD) one is just consistent Toughness DR (KS) and one is QoL (MiM)
hybrid solstice
Dodging is good but it can only be done in intervals
olive ember
Choose which utility you prefer
olive ember
I will say since I run Deflector FS I have no reason to run shield because I’d rather just block with deflector in between dodge intervals
echo turtle
Unless you bind a macro to get block slides with the deflector Imo its a huge waste
echo turtle
deflector sword users are our shield ogryns I guess is what I’m saying
leaden thunder
nah
echo turtle
KD is great
olive ember
How dare you I contribute
echo turtle
deflector blessing I think is lame
echo turtle
well
leaden thunder
then a shieldgryn
echo turtle
when they get downed
they have 1k health
so enemies focus on them
for a while
pretty handy
leaden thunder
I mean
olive ember
I mean the difference between shield ogryn and deflector FS users is that shield is literal trash, the FS isn’t
leaden thunder
I actually helped the team by going down
like once
becuase the entire hoard gathered around me
olive ember
It’s why people moan about shield ogryns because taking shield is full on gimping their capabilities
echo turtle
I mean the difference between shield ogryn and deflector FS users is that shield...
U sure about that Xd
leaden thunder
comparitvely
olive ember
Well the FS by itself offers a good push and elite killing
leaden thunder
the fs is like
echo turtle
i bet you shieldgryns and deflector bros score similarly
leaden thunder
several times better then the shield
unreal dust
I mean the difference between shield ogryn and deflector FS users is that shield...
Also this. I feel bad for Ogryns doing almost no damage
olive ember
And it’s hoard clear isn’t that bad
echo turtle
on scoreboards
leaden thunder
Also this. I feel bad for Ogryns doing almost no damage
that's why good ones don't bring the shield
olive ember
I wouldn’t know cuz I can’t be assed to use mods but a good deflector FS user would score similarly to any other oshker
echo turtle
several times better then the shield
shield ogryns die less than fs users from what I see
hybrid solstice
i think it's more accurate for me to say i feel the QoL is stronger than what you get out of the other two, like vet gets 75% ranged reduction for hitting F and clicking heads and with this talent you get 33% only if your charges are up
leaden thunder
or control everything
leaden thunder
shield ogryns die less than fs users from what I see
that's likely due to ogryns in general
dying less
then psyker
olive ember
Basically the shield on a deflector FS is an extra safety net/ utility option while sacrificing a damage blessing
The shield on a shield ogryn is literally the only thing it has
echo turtle
you mis spelled crutch
ornate hamlet
force sword is seriously anemic without slaughterer tbh
olive ember
Well yes slaughterer is first perk you want
echo turtle
you could run crutchflector with slaughterer
leaden thunder
unless you are trying a fun build
hybrid solstice
also psyker has like the lowest toughness in the game as it is so that 33% feels like, tiny bandaid tier
unreal dust
you could run crutchflector with slaughterer
This is my current
leaden thunder
also psyker has like the lowest toughness in the game as it is so that 33% feels...
yeah in a vacuum the 33% is quite bad
echo turtle
also psyker has like the lowest toughness in the game as it is so that 33% feels...
thats why I stacked gunner and sniper. now its 80%
leaden thunder
but compared to what psyker has it's decent
echo turtle
but I’m not convinced its the way
olive ember
I mean it’s either slaughterer + bloodthirsty or slaughterer + deflector
echo turtle
Bloodthirsty every time
5 seconds of autocrits
or the ability to cosplay the worst ogryn
unreal dust
Block go BRRRRRRT
echo turtle
according to scoreboard I have seen. FS users kill less than non Fs users
yeah, if it worked off charhes instead
leaden thunder
I am not gonna lie
the score board isn't that indicative
of effectiveness with weaponry
olive ember
kinetic shield needs a buff
No no everyone loves shield they need to buff kinetic deflector
leaden thunder
more so the skill of the players
echo turtle
i mean, it’s a measurement and tally of what they did
echo turtle
so Fs users are also less skilled?
leaden thunder
don't get me wrong
hybrid solstice
if it were 33% dr on both toughness and HP i'd think differently of it
leaden thunder
the ones you see are perhaps
safe crystal
The only important stat for player skill on the scoreboard mod is damage taken, period.
olive ember
I mean my experience in damnation is that I’m either at full hp or I’m at none
near wyvern
kinetic shield needs a buff
Yeah 30% toughness reduction on things that take 160% off your toughness bar is still all toughness gone
echo turtle
eh, I find you stop sprinting and do more dodges
you don’t drop@to 0 immediately all the time
olive ember
There’s never a “half hp” or “1/3 hp” I’m either full, or a damn horde spawned behind me and I took 5 hits and I’m dead
olive ember
Yeah 30% toughness reduction on things that take 160% off your toughness bar is ...
Someone was arguing something about how shield affects regen and it also reduces melee damage but
Dunno
Never tested
leaden thunder
iirc
it does
at least for the melee damage
becuase afaik there isn't actually a ranged toughness reduction
only a toughness reduction
this is as least true for vets
I could be wrong
torpid olive
What's the difference between the different duelling swords?
leaden thunder
different movesets
olive ember
Mk V is best
leaden thunder
and one of them has a different set of modifiers
olive ember
It’s heavy attacks are slashes instead of pokes
That’s the only thing ik about em tho cuz dueling swords are kinda trash rn
vale nacelle
Slide tech is 👌
leaden thunder
they are usable
olive ember
Slide tech got patched out
leaden thunder
just worse a decent bit worse thne other options
olive ember
Unless they re introduced it
torpid olive
I'm sure you're just refering to how they play at highest difficulty
vale nacelle
Slide tech got patched out
Nvm then they’re trash.
leaden thunder
olive ember
Nvm then they’re trash.
When was last time you used them this was patched out a while ago along with knife move tech
vale nacelle
Before it got patched out and I missed that part of the notes 
olive ember
I mean basically dueling swords sacrifice horde clear for dodge distance which most people don’t rly need
echo turtle
if it were 33% dr on both toughness and HP i'd think differently of it
I hear thatbthe DR for shield is also for melee
dunno about for hp tho
echo turtle
also, anyone know if toughness regen affects essence harvest? I asked earlier but not sure of anyone chimed it
olive ember
Oh yeah if it was for hp even I might take it
echo turtle
but I *believe* it also applies to melee
I dunno, anyone ever test it?
leaden thunder
also, anyone know if toughness regen affects essence harvest? I asked earlier bu...
in what way?
echo turtle
does it make you get the 30% in less than 5 seconds
leaden thunder
it shouldn't no
olive ember
Should give you more regen in 5 seconds iirc
leaden thunder
it doesn't for everything else that works the same way
olive ember
But not sure
echo turtle
Anyone test it or know for sure if the toughness regen perks affect essence harvest at all?
echo turtle
ah ok cool
leaden thunder
doesn't work on it
olive ember
All I know is that I got the damnation border so my opinion matters more than all you non damnation border holders
leaden thunder
leaden thunder
laspistol is legit now
echo turtle
I think you need to be a vet to make it work
safe crystal
Now follow me into the glory of the autogun + tac axe mind in motion psyker
We also using quicken? 
leaden thunder
works on zealot as far as I could tell
echo turtle
A head hunter i think will@out dps a pistol so hard
olive ember
We also using quicken? <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
We use force weapon as well
leaden thunder
las pistol's crit weak spot hits are insane
olive ember
Idk what’s the worst gun now since they all got buffed
leaden thunder
revolver probably
olive ember
Recon las?
leaden thunder
recon las
olive ember
Oh shit you right
leaden thunder
revolver has more use cases tbh
recon las is just kinda
it's either the recon las or like one of the crappier autoguns
like the really fast firing one
safe crystal
like the really fast firing one
Yeah, i was about to say mkV infauto
olive ember
Autogun + tac axe psyker, running warp absorption, force weapon, wrack n ruin, mind in motion, warp battery, quicken
Damnation border Psyker approved 👍
echo turtle
KB + aura > quicken + whatever
leaden thunder
echo turtle
is there an arguement for the claw at all?
leaden thunder
it's joke
digital narwhal
the score board isn't *that* indicative
Ye like.
Someone who's not that great can walts up and kill a horde with a flamer, meanwhile a skilled player can effortlessly take out a group of shooters.
One has more kills, the other had more impact.
olive ember
I think with good blessings it’s actually got decent horde clear and ease of use
But not worth the effort
leaden thunder
I come at it from a zealot perspective
digital narwhal
Speaking of which; someone in a mission I was in tried bragging after the mission was done about how good they are at killing hordes.
They used the Flamer, and when it came to melee, they lost tonnes of health if not just getting downed to Poxies.
leaden thunder
so the claw is really jsut a crappy heavy sword
olive ember
Yes
leaden thunder
but you can run crit on it
olive ember
That is literally the claw it’s the 1h version of the heavy sword
olive ember
Is it?
leaden thunder
more or les
it's the same size
some attack use both hands
but the claw does as well
olive ember
What fuck my day is ruined
hybrid solstice
I hear thatbthe DR for shield is also for melee
the text just says ranged attacks so if it does that this is the first i'm hearing of it
olive ember
I thought I was using a two hander on my zealot
Now I’m using a one handed like the rest of the plebs
My day is ruined
echo turtle
the text just says ranged attacks so if it does that this is the first i'm heari...
text says the same for vets but it affects melee
leaden thunder
the text just says ranged attacks so if it does that this is the first i'm heari...
vet's also says ranged but applies to melee
hybrid solstice
ah i see
safe crystal
Doing a quick test for KS, just a second
leaden thunder
while not sacrificing anything for it
hybrid solstice
i fully expect it to get fixed eventually assuming it's not intentional
gentle rose
while not sacrificing anything for it
they have to sacrifice using their stupidly broken melee weapon for the period that they are not taking damage 😛
olive ember
The vet nerf we’ve been waiting for all this time
leaden thunder
instead they are using their very powerful gun
echo turtle
watch as the psyker buff is a change to the tooltip pn KS to also apply to melee
leaden thunder
olive ember
Don’t worry clearly the psyker buff is the make kinetic deflection reflect damage back
All you have to do is hold rmb to kill now
digital narwhal
I have T2 Warp Flurry and T2 Rending Shockwave on my Trauma Staff.
I like both of these, and so if I were to lock one and upgrade the rating of the other (if I find a higher tiered version of 'em), which should I buff up?
I have a feeling Warp Flurry-
But wanna make sure.
safe crystal
Yep, KS is for both melee and ranged. Pothead deals 57 toughness damage with KS, 62 without at 0 peril
olive ember
Yep, KS is for both melee and ranged. Pothead deals 57 toughness damage with KS...
Test force weapon burn for me?
Someone said it affect burn ticks on purge
safe crystal
I dont have a way to get consistent crits 
I dont have any rare blessings for psyker
olive ember
Just get a 280 staff with no crit
safe crystal
Wait,you mean the tier 2 talent?
safe crystal
197 with max stacks with and without warp unleashed. Tested on reaper, but no, it doesnt affect burn
echo turtle
force weapon affects burt, I hear also so does the + damage you have on the weap
so if ur weap has + unarmored or whatever it will deal extra to those types
still hearth
I believe force weapon damage didn't affect burn?
But the + damage types does
And power/damage blessings do
echo turtle
we saw that it did according to one person testing
olive ember
That’s the thing is that I remember specifically testing for it and it didn’t affect burn
echo turtle
weird
safe crystal
Well, heres my test results : it doesnt work, just tested it.
echo turtle
well maybe they were lyin!
olive ember
That’s why I was confused
echo turtle
bahahaha
still hearth
Or they misunderstood how things work
safe crystal
Only power affects burn damage
still hearth
sinful vector
btw does the damage stat matter on the purgatus staff or do I want to get max burn stat only?
echo turtle
probably that
still hearth
It does but not a lot
leaden thunder
max burn
still hearth
Damage is a dump stat
sinful vector
good to hear
echo turtle
Max burn only matters vs bosses and ogryns
still hearth
Radius is prio, burn secondary.
sinful vector
found a decent one with low dmg high other stats
echo turtle
everything else dies before you hit max stacks
fierce sinew
Only power affects burn damage
damage perks
still hearth
Doesn't warp charges affect burn too
safe crystal
damage perks
The 2nd row talent, warp unleashed, does nothing for burn
pearl lion
Im curious what capstone talent people are taking. With the boost to warp charges, the one that doesn't consume charges feels best for me now
leaden thunder
Im curious what capstone talent people are taking. With the boost to warp charge...
yeah quickening is terribad
echo turtle
its a joke
echo turtle
Doesn't warp charges affect burn too
i never checked but always assumed they would
fierce sinew
warp charges do
safe crystal
AH, you're right. My b, damage vs armour and power* are the ones that affect it
Warp charges are + damage
still hearth
Quicken is terrible. AB is okay, best on Purge. KB is always good.
safe crystal
So yes,they do
olive ember
Im curious what capstone talent people are taking. With the boost to warp charge...
KB for general use, AB I personally think is better on specifically purge but people disagree
echo turtle
supposedly power does, so some@people said slaughterer makes the damage go up
echo turtle
KB for general use, AB I personally think is better on specifically purge but pe...
Both are good
leaden thunder
if you have
pearl lion
Huh interesting
leaden thunder
the crit apply soulblze
still hearth
Warp Charges are power? I've never heard this before.
sinful vector
KB with full brainburst build with 6 warp charges and the 15% ability cd hasnt failed me yet
pearl lion
Yeah charges give a % bonus to all damage
olive ember
It is I think cuz warp charges is a flat damage increase to everything
safe crystal
Warp Charges are power? I've never heard this before.
Yup, my b again, its just damage
still hearth
echo turtle
lacerations is whack
still hearth
Power would increase cleave and stagger too
olive ember
Oh nvrm then
echo turtle
your dps is better by taking aura for more barrage triggers.
olive ember
Take aura for most builds except maybe purge
echo turtle
power increases cleave?
leaden thunder
yeah
fierce sinew
generally anything with the relevant bonus in your hand works. Slaughterer, limbsplitter, etc
sinful vector
aura is hilarious sometimes you brainburst a couple elites and you practically have your ult back
olive ember
Oh yeah headtaker is BiS as well iirc
Just that for psykers specifically a lot of em run peril blocking push attack spam so limbsplitter is better in that scenario
still hearth
Do Headtaker + Decimator
Pair it with Purge
Stack it while you have max stacks on boss
Do 75% more damage with burn
Profit
Even more since its multiplied with your Warp Charges
olive ember
This what you do on zealot?
still hearth
Ehh
fierce sinew
stacking power bonuses for specifically that reason on a dedicated bossing weapon could be fun
still hearth
If you want to
leaden thunder
zealot you have blaze away on your flamer
still hearth
But its not really worth the effort
leaden thunder
so you don't need to
safe crystal
I just whack bosses with the funny hammer, i like the thoomp
still hearth
I just love using flames + Thrust