obviously can't test it since I have it already
#psyker-class
leaden thunder
still hearth
Ah right. It was probably additive with itself.
shadow wigeon
Now that warp stacks are fixed, what combos of T3,5,6 feats are people using?
loud nacelle
Any psyker outhere interested in doing some Psyker penance? We can help each other out.. they are quite difficult to do with randoms.
still hearth
So with 75% DR it was 84% DR with your toughness DR and 80% for HP
Now its 74.4% toughness DR and 68% for HP
feral topaz
stupid question, but how can I push 3-4 shotgunners or gunners into one spot when they tend to scatter?
idle bay
stupid question, but how can I push 3-4 shotgunners or gunners into one spot whe...
Team with voice chat
still hearth
Ogryns with shields
idle bay
Force Sword to CC them inderfinetly
feral topaz
....I need to form a seal team six to commit sudoku for a penance
Force sword CC
Hmm
idle bay
Then you delegate controling them to the team, build ups Peril and go Emperor is Great!
feral topaz
....
Ha
kk
Ill try to figure the particulars in comms tommorow, or on thursday
for now, I go sleep
clear heath
Now its 74.4% toughness DR and 68% for HP
Well, taking 25.6% toughness damage instead of taking 16% is a pretty substantial change. That's essentially taking 50% more damage compared to before
Although it probably doesn't matter since that's plenty for clutching anyways
I just don't know who even wanted this change. Who was complaining that ogryn was too good at clutching when the entire rest of the team dies?
still hearth
Yeah its kind of the same level as the crit DR nerf on Zealot
We now have 50% less Toughness with it
But its still a ton
So 
Better buff Veteran
clear heath
It sounds like it'll be pretty painful on zealot
still hearth
Tbh it still lets you tank shotgunners once
So that's still fine
Since its usually the silent smack that gets you hurt
clear heath
Getting hit with all 10 shotgunner pellets on zealot with crit DR and benediction will now do 153 toughness instead of 76.5 toughness
so i can't facetank 2 shotgunners at once now
still hearth
Yeah
What a mess
It's pushing even more into crit being primarily for Knife and Taxe
clear heath
I can't believe they expect me to look at the screen while playing crit zealot
still hearth
Since they're the most mobile with dodges
pine relic
I didn't know Force sword's third light attack deals double damage.
olive ember
It’s about as strong as it’s heavy and yeah p good
Rly good at stabbing that damn dog in the face
hexed wedge
Force sword isn't quite as bad as people make out, IMO
pine relic
Force sword isn't quite as bad as people make out, IMO
I changed my mind after I used it again.
olive ember
Deflector nerf means it loses one of its utility options
leaden thunder
so idk
vagrant furnace
i find it pretty good at what it does
olive ember
so idk
Not that useful anymore tbh
Main reason to run deflector was since it could give you ranged block while reviving
But that was a “bug” that got “fixed”
That paired with the general “bug fix” that nerfed to the passive peril quelling “bug” while peril blocking makes it kinda not useful
So what it’s got left is it’s special attack and infinite dodge
Only problem is that it’s dodge is naturally shorter than any other weapon dodges so infinite dodge ain’t that useful and it’s horde clear sucks compared to something like antax
shadow wigeon
Yeah FS isn't that great sadly
still hearth
Force Sword is good.
shadow wigeon
It's very defensive
still hearth
But despite infinite dodges I find the dodges are very lacking
Especially the side dodges are just
Nothing?
The backwards ones feel like 3x the distance
shadow wigeon
So what it’s got left is it’s special attack and infinite dodge
Good push as well
olive ember
Oh yeah that too
shadow wigeon
Oh also 3x worse passive quelling
leaden thunder
but I liek seeing "hank-the-unhinged" run around with an axe
shadow wigeon
which I still find... sad
summer prairie
BM on mkv isn't even good if you just spam push attack
You cleave infinite targets (4+) for 0 damage, only good for extra stagger.
shadow wigeon
You cleave infinite targets (4+) for 0 damage, only good for extra stagger.
There's some merit to it if you are horde clearing, but with push block swing being so good, its so so
olive ember
If charges go down one at a time now do we still need communion?
shadow wigeon
If charges go down one at a time now do we still need communion?
If you want charges to go up also, its good
summer prairie
If you want to run AB without purg, it's useful
olive ember
I mean I run the typical surge setup so
shadow wigeon
im trying communion, battery and quicken, which is quite fun
summer prairie
AB is good with surge now
shadow wigeon
not reliably getting to 6 without bb tho
shadow wigeon
AB is good with surge now
Yeah?
summer prairie
Since you can keep charges between encounters
olive ember
Quietude warp resistance communion peril blocking flayer barrage w/ surge staff
Dunno if I need communion now 🤔
shadow wigeon
Quietude warp resistance communion peril blocking flayer barrage w/ surge staff
321133
shadow wigeon
I find KFlayer not so great now. I used it partially to maintain charges. Now I'm not so sure.
olive ember
I mean for surge staff I’m thinking it will be the primary way I generate charges
summer prairie
Barrage is enough
valid lake
I find KFlayer not so great now. I used it partially to maintain charges. Now I'...
what man you dont like BB a poxwalker randomly
olive ember
I’m not really using barrage to maintain charges
shadow wigeon
Barrage to build chages now
olive ember
It’s more for “damn there’s two flamers running at me”
summer prairie
6 max stacks sort of helps with stack maintenance now too
Since you have a bigger buffer
shadow wigeon
Are you doing T256: 213, and using BB to get up to 6?
I've been doing 111 as well, 6 stacks into Quicken. Not reliable but feels good.
summer prairie
No thank you
still hearth
Yeah idk about that one
olive ember
disgust
still hearth
Why would you run Quicken
shadow wigeon
Y'all are missing out, lots of CC and toughness and zapping.
still hearth
But then you have to spend
Like 30s
To get 6 stacks
So the CDR is basically useless
summer prairie
Barrage with aura is better cdr
shadow wigeon
Barrage with aura is better cdr
also with the team buff I prefer it
still hearth
To like 10%
per charge
And then its fine
60% CDR on ult is big enough to compete with KB or AB
Though that's still a 12s CD I think?
shadow wigeon
So the CDR is basically useless
No... it doesn't cycle like that. You're pushing at 6, and then you have another push a few seconds later, and then just depends how many staks you got
You go on a tear for a bit, then reset.
summer prairie
Ogryn + aura + 60 cdr + curios hmm
still hearth
Ogryn(?)
summer prairie
Oh is that cdr only for him
still hearth
Ye
Aura + 60% CDR though
That's basically 2 kills and you got ult again
And you can repeat it
That would be real feels good
Shout hordes down while BBing elites
olive ember
Too bad the F feels in consistent
still hearth
I think its because its a cone and does less over distance
olive ember
Not inconsistent enough to screw me but inconsistent enough for me not want to make a build around it tbh
Nah it’s weird I’ve pressed F before and they just like ignore it
still hearth
I'd make a build of it if I can shout every 12s (or 9s with curios)
summer prairie
The stagger is weak at 0 stacks
still hearth
Ah
shadow wigeon
Nah it’s weird I’ve pressed F before and they just like ignore it
FWIW F does not always trigger, but does make the effect/sound. It's possible that's what you're seeing.
also you nee warp charges for it to be effective.
clear heath
Nah it’s weird I’ve pressed F before and they just like ignore it
Last game i pressed F and the enemies got pushed towards me
summer prairie
Echo
glass osprey
how's psyker feeling after the patch?
clear heath
good
glass osprey
brain burst still shit?
clear heath
i like managing warp charges now, even with 0 feats that help with them
devout axle
brain burst still shit?
The patch is exactly what Psyker needed
ornate hamlet
Excited to actually have fun with my most used class
cyan notch
are there any new bb breakpoints
clear heath
Maulers die in 2 without even needing any charges
clear heath
Iirc bulwarks die in 2 now if you have 4+ charges?
void mural
From what I hear, it's exactly what he needed with warp charges, but maybe still needs some BB mechanics/damage changes
fierce sinew
you save a bb on some enemies that took multiple, maulers, dogs, bulwark
still hearth
And it does even more on bosses too
cyan notch
dogs are 1 shot now?
still hearth
Nope
clear heath
no
still hearth
It's like 500 from it I think
fierce sinew
2 down from 3
cyan notch
dont remember it taking 3
still hearth
Its pretty big combined
clear heath
It definitely took more than just 2
void mural
I personally liked the idea of holding brain burst on a target doing dot instead of having to recast it multiple times, but whatever the devs decide on, I still think BB needs some changes
still hearth
BB is okay but could be a bit faster
But then it is getting a bit too good
For a bonus feature aside from your other weapons
Like if it was Kinetic Barrage levels as base
That's fast
fierce sinew
my tortured reroll for 25% unyielding on that axe is for nothing now because bulwark die after bb to a 20% roll headshot on 3 charges 🙂
void mural
I'd like it if it spread its damage over the cast time instead of at the end. Make it so your target gets sniped out by allies before your damage less often
devout axle
are there any new bb breakpoints
In Heresy, we can one-shot dogs and scab framers now. With Warp Battery and 6 charges, you cab one-shot Ragers and Tox Flamers now. Maulers are now 2shots instead of 3. Bulwark are now 2 instead of 3 without charges. With 5 charges, Crushers are 2 instead of 3.
void mural
Only if you're above 60% of the cast or so, and even then sometimes not
still hearth
I mean with the changes
Who cares
You lose 1 stack instead of 6
So you can relax
void mural
Yeah, for sure!
still hearth
Its just a bit of DPS waste
void mural
Just if something could be better, why not make it so
glass osprey
wait, you don't lose all stacks of warp charge now when it runs out, just one?
still hearth
But now I don't have to be mad at Veterans to steal stuff
fierce sinew
I'm definitely going to play more with aura instead of communion now
shadow wigeon
aura + battery + barrage is pretty intense
cyan notch
Only if you're above 60% of the cast or so, and even then sometimes not
i like getting my target killed sometimes it gives u the charge but doesnt cost peril
still hearth
I was already playing aura so it is just better for me now
shadow wigeon
15% peril for a BB
void mural
But now I don't have to be mad at Veterans to steal stuff
Yeah, for real! Wasting 6 stacks when that happens is a big oof
shadow wigeon
@ 6 stacks with ult
devout axle
wait, you don't lose all stacks of warp charge now when it runs out, just one?
Nope. Warp Battery is an ez pick over KF now.
shadow wigeon
Yeah KF is dead to me now
cyan notch
In Heresy, we can one-shot dogs and scab framers now. With Warp Battery and 6 ch...
thanks i was wondering about flamers and dogs in heresy with 6 stacks
glass osprey
Nope. Warp Battery is an ez pick over KF now.
fierce sinew
kf was always trash, welcome new batteryfriends
void mural
i like getting my target killed sometimes it gives u the charge but doesnt cost ...
That's true, but I would like it if the damage was spread out over the cast, so you get at least some benefit from your wasted time
shadow wigeon
fuuuuck 6 stack barrage feels amazing haha
devout axle
kf was always trash, welcome new batteryfriends
Wrong. KF was mandatory to not waste a perk having to waste time playing a tedious minigame of 'keep your charges up"
fierce sinew
the cooldown just needs to go away
cyan notch
fuuuuck 6 stack barrage feels amazing haha
always has been
still hearth
KF with current BB damage
onyx sentinel
In Heresy, we can one-shot dogs and scab framers now. With Warp Battery and 6 ch...
Dog one shot is pretty sick
still hearth
And no CD
shadow wigeon
always has been
Sure but worthless information before
still hearth
10% to splatter Ogryns
fierce sinew
Wrong. KF was mandatory to not waste a perk having to waste time playing a tedio...
AB does this by itself
fierce sinew
right
still hearth
Or another burn thing
true shadow
still hearth
But yeah
shadow wigeon
AB does this by itself
Only kinda... purg only.
shadow wigeon
Even then I felt like KF failed me
Yeah it was... necessary but weak.
devout axle
AB does this by itself
AB is too much rng. Having played with AB extensively, I can assure you it wasn't a reliable way to keep your charges up. You filled it during a horde and then lost them all once the horde was dead.
shadow wigeon
be itneresting if they can fold it in to something now.
still hearth
I just ran battery anyways and used BB more
Does BB stagger 10%
Do anything?
I don't know if anything isn't CC'd by BB
fierce sinew
I'm trying to think of what wasn't staggered before
cyan notch
ragers usain bolt sprinting
devout axle
Does BB stagger 10%
I haven't noticed a stagger difference. It MIGHT stagger enemies earlier than it did previously, since BB applies some stagger while charging. But that's speculation.
fierce sinew
if that's the case + the stagger is applied gradually during the channel we should expect to see things stagger sooner
cyan notch
i think its only applied at a certain point in channel
light quail
holy fuck the psyker buffs#
just got my hands on it now
I can one tap ragers with bb
actually in love
fierce sinew
right, it's just a matter of whether the stagger threshold is being crossed in one large instance of stagger vs lots of smaller ones
primal sonnet
Purge feats: Still 121132?
fierce sinew
if you're only looking at a single enemy that looks the same, if the timing differs between enemies it's the latter
devout axle
Purge feats: Still 121132?
Warp Battery is much better than KF now.
primal sonnet
Yeah, I've been following that convo.
devout axle
Though, I'd personally run PK Aura over Communion.
steel flame
i dunno, with fire i still prefer communion. spamming fire ults has diminishing returns
fierce sinew
communion is probably still worth if you're essence harvesting
olive ember
Shouldn’t have used flayer on purge pre patch anyways
steel flame
thats what i did
cyan notch
max toughness regen
steel flame
6 stacks was not great before this patch
fierce sinew
it was better than kf easily, now it's even more
steel flame
most of the time ab would not proc for long stretches so staying at 6 let alone having 6 for a horde was not consistant
cyan notch
i think it was prerty good
olive ember
Anyone got any data/ experience with the new BB
fierce sinew
(on purge specifically)
steel flame
having 4 every time i wanted to ult ended up being more benificial than sometimes having 6 but probably less for an ult
now 6 is stupid easy to manage and always have
still hearth
Quicken buffs next week
steel flame
Anyone got any data/ experience with the new BB
you wont be making any new breakpoints in damnation
devout axle
most of the time ab would not proc for long stretches so staying at 6 let alone ...
Specifically, AB could only maintain charges during hordes. Between Hordes you were playing BB minigame, and the inability to one-shot most elites or specials with BB made it very tedious and nearly pointless.
olive ember
you wont be making any new breakpoints in damnation
Rip all I need to know
still hearth
I want Quicken to be a thing
fierce sinew
you don't one shot anything new, but upgrade some 3 shots to 2
steel flame
now with the extra damage from warp charges you can one shot more stuff with bb at max stacks. 6 especially
floral solstice
well 0 charges BB with lacerations can 2 shot bulwarks/3 shot reapers
steel flame
ragers are one shot at 6 stacks with bb
devout axle
well 0 charges BB with lacerations can 2 shot bulwarks/3 shot reapers
Lacerations doesn't buff BB damage.
floral solstice
???
fierce sinew
Lacerations doesn't buff BB damage.
yes it does
floral solstice
lul
olive ember
Dogs still 2 shot BB is such a tragedy
floral solstice
yeah
cyan notch
nah thats fine
still hearth
Don't trust anything in this game
cyan notch
its whatever
still hearth
Unless you've tested it
floral solstice
well tbf we have lots of ways to deal with dogs
still hearth
olive ember
its whatever
This guy hard coping
fierce sinew
yeah in actual gameplay a lot of things are now in 1 bb + my teammates are awake range
an imprecise but relevant breakpoint
safe crystal
Flamers at 6 stacks leaves them at around 1/5th health
still hearth
BB always
floral solstice
did a bunch of games with lacerate + barrage hours ago, tbh i feel like it's overkill most of the time unless you're soloing reapers or doing extra dps to boss, since your team can finish off targets usually anyway
cyan notch
also dogs have like 1800 hp idk how u are ever gonna 1 shot it
wishing that it would is the real cope
still hearth
Only Zealot and Ogryn nerfs
fierce sinew
considering this is fatshark the caster getting buffed at all is a positive trajectory
still hearth
They seem to jump around a lot
devout axle
now time to axe vet
Tbh, Vet isn't even an issue itself. The problem is the weapons it has access to.
still hearth
Randomly buffing and nerfing things
still hearth
Tbh, Vet isn't even an issue itself. The problem is the weapons it has access to...
No lol
Vet is nutty
Even if everyone had their guns
We'd still be at like 30% power with them
leaden thunder
they have like 4 specific guns with three of them being variants
the hellbores are good
floral solstice
75% dr, refresh ult, crazy toughness regen feats etc 
leaden thunder
but the plasma gun really isn't
devout axle
Even if everyone had their guns
If everyone had their weapons, Psykers would be using Boltguns and Power Swords.
leaden thunder
I like the mk3 being a mini plasma gun
zealots also get bolters
that's not only a vet thing
still hearth
If everyone had their weapons, Psykers would be using Boltguns and Power Swords.
Bolter on Psyker 
The Bolter is mid tier
fierce sinew
xii + the active lasting entire fight are why vet is strong
still hearth
What is this Bolter is OP thing
fierce sinew
the rest is bonus
safe crystal
Bolters are goddamn awful on anyone but vet
still hearth
Where did it come from
leaden thunder
it does a lot of damage
still hearth
Even on Vet it's like B tier
leaden thunder
and makes loud noises
brittle crest
The Bolter is mid tier
bolter S tier for SoB cosplay
floral solstice
this guy gets it
still hearth
Jaytron with the truth
brittle crest
steel flame
bolter go BANG BANG BANG BANG: S tier
floral solstice
but tbh i still prefer to run bolter on zealot when im solo queueing t5
leaden thunder
tbf vet can dump 30 rounds of it
floral solstice
because i dont wanna rely on random vets
leaden thunder
in shit hits the fan senarios
olive ember
I mean my friend swears by the mk 2 lasbore
leaden thunder
hellbores are good
still hearth
But even then those take like 5+ shots from Bolter
safe crystal
in shit hits the fan senarios
The problem is every situation is like that for them for some reason, so they're always out of ammo
leaden thunder
that's for true
safe crystal
A random poxwalker trying to melee the zealot?! Oh no,i better mag dump just in case
still hearth
If you run Bolter you have to play so selectively
It's just not great
Or you run out of ammo
crude talon
Any meltdowns in the discord today over the patch?
still hearth
Mostly good stuff
floral solstice
random vets are probably traumatized because they died at some point to a single pox while ads'ing
crude talon
I was busy today.
devout axle
Which isn't an issue when you have one of, if not the best melee weapon in the game cover all of your other bases.
leaden thunder
it was mostly good
crude talon
only thing I heard all day was "they buffed vet KEKW"
leaden thunder
I mean
pretty much
but psyker got buffed
ogryn got one nerf and one buff(that looks like a nerf but isn't)
but yeah
vet got buffed for some reason
clear heath
Ok after playing a couple damnation runs, 6 charges with KB and aura feels pretty good
I do BB slightly more to keep up charges, but it's not really a bad thing since BB is a bit more useful
floral solstice
pug vets so bad that they needed the buff jk
crude talon
too many vets in damnation standing still and dying i guess
leaden thunder
where things people didn't use
safe pendant
they didn't buff ogryn shield did they?
leaden thunder
nope
floral solstice
meanwhile zealot toughness dr got nerfed, because reasons
clear heath
They also buffed a bunch of ogryn weapons that i didn't use anyways
safe pendant
leaden thunder
kickback is fun now
crude talon
toughtness regen from melee got buffed tho
leaden thunder
it's still worse then the other options
clear heath
For ogryn, they buffed and nerfed feats that i don't use and buffed some weapons i don't use
literally unchanged for me lol
leaden thunder
it doesn't help when you need it
basically
since if you are killing stuff your toughness is normally fine
and if you aren't
then it isn't gonna help you
still hearth
And EWEW is just always on.
5% per second in any tight spot
Even while blocking, ressing, pushing
They serve the same function
And if PiB becomes good EWEW becomes bad
So you can't have both
shadow wigeon
What is BB's actual charge speed?
devout axle
What is BB's actual charge speed?
about 2 seconds
light quail
stg 62iq vets
dude is unloading a lasgun into a crusher's back
just melee tae fucker
cmon
steel flame
OH MY GOD GAME STOP ROLLING LOW ENGAGEMENT
lament topaz
stg 62iq vets
Listen, I'm just waiting till you end up running into me.
Keep an eye out for a "Kalashnikov".
shadow wigeon
about 2 seconds
Looks like ~2.2 from start to damage, and another ~.2 seconds for the next BB to start
lament topaz
Praise the sun.
steel flame
now they just need to fix the bug with faster headpopper ult where doesnt apply to a bb you started before the ult popped
light quail
emperor why
wanton cove
Keep an eye out for a "Kalashnikov".
Can’t tell if I should be scared or excited 😂
warped perch
How’s psyker feeling after the patch? Haven’t played yet
devout axle
How’s psyker feeling after the patch? Haven’t played yet
Very good.
warped perch
rocky cedar
With warp charge changes I think I might just run warp battery on everything now
devout axle
With warp charge changes I think I might just run warp battery on everything now
Warp Battery is undeniably the best feat of that level now.
devout axle
Overload is a meme. Anyone who says its good is coping.
devout axle
No, the one where you apply 4 stacks of blaze to a single target when you overfill your charges
leaden thunder
I remember which one now
fierce sinew
it's not a meme, it is a touch undertuned though
leaden thunder
yeah
fierce sinew
especially now
rocky cedar
If they dropped kinetic flayer to 10 seconds or gave is some way to actually target what it'll hit reliably I'd once again strongly consider it
devout axle
If they dropped kinetic flayer to 10 seconds or gave is some way to actually tar...
I suggested a while ago that they drop it to 10 seconds and make it only trigger on Specials and Elites.
fierce sinew
overload purge is still stronger than any variation of trauma
kf cooldown just needs to go
devout axle
kf cooldown just needs to go
KF without a cooldown would be kinda nuts
fierce sinew
maybe 3 seconds or something
fierce sinew
maybe just a small one to stop you from multiproccing it on one enemy
leaden thunder
that it just instantly deletes a boss or something
2 sec cd, 6 second on unique enemy maybe
so like
so it's 2 seconds for hitting different targets
but can't hit the same one super fast
fierce sinew
something like that yeah
devout axle
That might work. 2 secs means its not necessarily outdamaging casting BB natively.
I'd still make it 3, just to be sure tho
fierce sinew
either that or take the randomness out of it, put it on a timer and put an icon on the ui when your next hit will proc it
the rng and long cooldown together are too much
steel flame
problem if kf had short or no cooldown you would have infinite toughness as long as there was something to attack
cyan notch
if u kill the target
forest coral
If they dropped kinetic flayer to 10 seconds or gave is some way to actually tar...
Emperor take the wheel
remote void
If they dropped kinetic flayer to 10 seconds or gave is some way to actually tar...
just double the chance of it to proc on elite enemies and we are set
daring nexus
Warp Battery is undeniably the best feat of that level now.
I’m still not convinced warp battery is an auto pick over KF even after this. Picking that means you have to give up aura for communion unless your using AB and there’s no important break point for having 6 charges on damnation
spice veldt
keep in mind that you effectively have a 50 second window to maintain your warp stacks
devout axle
I’m still not convinced warp battery is an auto pick over KF even after this. Pi...
You ... don't though? You only lose 1 charge at a time now, so you have almost a full minute to refresh.
fierce sinew
the entire quality of life problem that people gave up battery to solve is gone
devout axle
You are taking Communion if you are too laze to brain burst something every 50~ seconds, or if you want to get Essence Harvest value.
cloud heron
Has anyone tried +9 stamina kinetic deflection?
devout axle
Has anyone tried +9 stamina kinetic deflection?
Why would I run Stamina if I'm running KD? lol
fierce sinew
because stamina determines the efficiency of kd yeah
spice veldt
i'll pick up a stamina curio since I don't run KD, and I like to use the FS with its glorious 3 stamina
devout axle
I still don't see why I would run stamina with KD. I'm not standing around blocking stuff 75%~100% of the time.
spice veldt
from an optimality perspective, perhaps not
cyan notch
mainly for deflector vs gunners
spice veldt
but what about tanking an entire room of shooters
fierce sinew
it seems like overkill to me
devout axle
but what about tanking an entire room of shooters
If you are trying to tank an entire room of shooters for more than the 1-2 seconds it takes you to find cover, then uh ...
spice veldt
? what's cover
fierce sinew
like yeah you can block forever, but why
steel flame
i always run 1 wound and 2 +3 stamina for my psyker. works when i run kd and when i dont
cloud heron
I mean i'm not actually advocating for people to start running 3 stamina curios, just curious how much of a difference it makes
spice veldt
i'm just talking about having fun, not as a proper playstyle
floral solstice
lmao this turned to a discussion when he was just curious
steel flame
if im using deflector i dont use kd and the 6 stamina lets me fully block shotgun blasts point blank
cyan notch
@idle bay was doing deflector with max stamina memes
steel flame
and when i use Cantax or saber i run kd and never have my block broken
cyan notch
maybe he tried it post buff
spice veldt
tbf, you can also tank a shotgun blast with +40% block eff with just 3 stamina
fierce sinew
stamina curios were bugged until today, so I can see people trying them out to see how good they are
floral solstice
i too would like to see what +9 stamina + KD can tank even though i would never run it in an actual game lol
floral solstice
cloud heron
just hold block up and dodge your way through the level
steel flame
ill test it as soon as i get a third +3
floral solstice
because damnation is super hard we literally need perfect shit to win it
/s just in case
stuck bridge
the damage does feel a bit better on bb
spice veldt
perfect t4 ordo dockets to beat it
forest coral
We can one tap flamers in damnation now
steel flame
because damnation is super hard we literally need perfect shit to win it
eh not really. i run sub 400 shit all the time in damnation.
forest coral
Is noticeably nicer
long wharf
nothing wrong with 2x health and a x3 stamina curio now
especially for peril blocking
leaden thunder
ordo dockets, bomber res and exp
stuck bridge
still 2 bbs to kill a dog sucks
floral solstice
eh not really. i run sub 400 shit all the time in damnation.
guess you missed the /s
leaden thunder
for the optimal set up
stuck bridge
and ill stand by that
forest coral
still 2 bbs to kill a dog sucks
Yeah… dogs shouldn’t be as tanky as they are for how ridiculous their pin hitbox is
I’d like it if they were closer to gutter runners in vermintide
forest coral
Squishier but much more deadly if caught
steel flame
guess you missed the /s
please enlighten me. what is this /s supposed to mean exactly
stuck bridge
sarcasm
spice veldt
i think the dog hitbox is fine, but their leap speed is extremely fast
forest coral
i think the dog hitbox is fine, but their leap speed is extremely fast
The winding animation is weird as well
cloud heron
i think the dog hitbox is fine, but their leap speed is extremely fast
Sometimes I feel like they dont even need to leap to pin you
stuck bridge
Yeah… dogs shouldn’t be as tanky as they are for how ridiculous their pin hitbox...
not fun
forest coral
and inconsistent
spice veldt
that too
floral solstice
can't believe im blocking someone for missing a sarcasm tag, but here we are
spice veldt
and they seem to have stagger resistance whenever they're beginning their leap or making a turn
floral solstice
steel flame
well that seems like a crutch. italics exist
fierce sinew
if the server update rate was in the double digits dogs would be completely fine
forest coral
can't believe im blocking someone for missing a sarcasm tag, but here we are
Me block u…
Getting hit by things when ur down
spice veldt
italics arguably have some ambiguity as to what the italics mean
floral solstice
Me block u…
Getting hit by things when ur down
i dont block ur shots
oblique path
Can anyone explain why people are saying psyker hit nerfed?
spice veldt
/s is a clear marker, like a \n newline and whatnot
forest coral
/sus
steel flame
sigh
fierce sinew
Can anyone explain why people are saying psyker hit nerfed?
who is saying this
cloud heron
Can anyone explain why people are saying psyker hit nerfed?
Yeah this is probably the best day for psyker since launch
oblique path
Saw it mentioned in gen chat but couldn't find explanation
floral solstice
people just expecting unrealistic changes sometimes
steel flame
you get to spend so much less time managing warp charges its so nice
devout axle
i usually just ignore warp charges, but now I get a +16% dmg buff
It
s more like a 24% dmg buff
oblique path
I didn't get to test much this morning before work. How do BB changes feel
daring nexus
You are taking Communion if you are too laze to brain burst something every 50~ ...
Are you brain bursting poxwalkers and other trash in the middle of a huge fight just to hold on to 6 stacks? That doesn’t sound very fun. I pretty much only use BB for specials and elites, anything else feels like a waste of the cast time.
cloud heron
a real big buff to warp battery too
spice veldt
i'm still gonna run kinetic flayer cuz i'm a lazy person
forest coral
Warp battery is so good now
spice veldt
i'm not gonna let go of my shift key now that stamina curios give +3
devout axle
Are you brain bursting poxwalkers and other trash in the middle of a huge fight ...
In the middle of a huge fight, I don't need to. There are going to be Elites and Specialists around. And I only need to do it ONCE every 50 or so seconds.
kind tulip
Just managed to do going out with a bang while playing with randoms
devout axle
Instead of once every 25 seconds
And even if I miss that 50 second window, I don't have to start all over again
steel flame
with an AB build the fire kills and psychic communion are actually enough to maintain charges since they dont all go away now
fierce sinew
the change to warp charge decay also indirectly buffs the alternatives to communion
cloud heron
with an AB build the fire kills and psychic communion are actually enough to mai...
purge never needed flayer to gain charges. Unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
long wharf
and they seem to have stagger resistance whenever they're beginning their leap o...
the pounce animation for the hounds is just that - it's a locked-in animation
daring nexus
In the middle of a huge fight, I don't need to. There are going to be Elites and...
There isn’t always important things to BB. Take the comma disc mission for example. In the room where your trying to open the elevator door there are specific moments where a pack of gunners will appear at the other side of the room, otherwise the whole fight is hoards of trash mobs
long wharf
once they jump, they're guided to you
spice veldt
still feels ugly when I push them early, but it doesn't register because apparently I pushed too early
or when I trauma staff them with a fully charged secondary while they're turning, and they don't get staggered
i don't like either of those interactions
cyan notch
sometimes when theyre hard running to another target that isnt you pushes dont work
long wharf
and even that isn't 100% due to lag
cloud heron
sometimes I feel like dogs just brush up against me and pin me
long wharf
oh, void charged shot seems to reliably stagger them as well
fierce sinew
most of the problems with dogs etc are actually just connection problems
spice veldt
and human visual acuity problems
fierce sinew
tons of things stop dogs if they're actually where they look like they are
spice veldt
e.g., if you dodge to the side, you'll have an easier time pushing them because of brain reasons
cloud heron
most of the problems with dogs etc are actually just connection problems
I dunno, dogs are a lot more finnicky than trappers and mutants.
fierce sinew
that's because their displacement is more rapid
cyan notch
sometimes they just run past 3 dudes pushing/meleeing them and they hust shrug it off to pounce the last guy
steel flame
purge never needed flayer to gain charges. Unless i'm misunderstanding what you'...
it was super inconsistent staying at max stacks without flayer. especially before the last patch where ab wouldnt trigger sometimes, so actually getting 6 stacks when you needed them was just not something you could rely on in damnation. running flayer and communnion and just firing off 4 stack Ults got you more value than maybe sometimes getting 6 stack ults. Now its super easy to have 6 for an ult
devout axle
There isn’t always important things to BB. Take the comma disc mission for examp...
Alright? So you are saying that I'm going to have nothing to BB for a full 50-75 seconds so I will have to BB one common to keep my charges? And that because of this I should just run communion to ... do the same exact thing and lose out on Ult CDR that affects my entire team? I think you are severely underestimating just how much time you have to refresh your charges.
cloud heron
it was super inconsistent staying at max stacks without flayer. especially befor...
Never had issues maintaining 6 stacks with purge and AB before today
shadow wigeon
Just managed to do going out with a bang while playing with randoms
Well done, sir. You are an inspiration for the rest of us.
forest coral
I still haven’t got out with a bang and I’ve finished malleus monstronum 😂
kind tulip
Hab dreyko on high intensity diff 3 is probably the easiest way to do it
cyan notch
Alright? So you are saying that I'm going to have nothing to BB for a full 50-75...
i might run aura now but for myself 😈
fierce sinew
I dunno, dogs are a lot more finnicky than trappers and mutants.
similar to the behavior you can observe in fighting games with rollback netcode, the most visually clear cases are always when rollback happens during moves with high displacement in the first few frames
kind tulip
There’s a bunch of ragers that come in packs of 3 at the end
steel flame
Never had issues maintaining 6 stacks with purge and AB before today
well im glad you have better luck than I do. Outside of swarms, 6 stacks was not a fun or consistent way to play
forest coral
You know what made me really sad, 3 ragers and I suicide but one of them moved part me and went for another party member
forest coral
kind tulip
You know what made me really sad, 3 ragers and I suicide but one of them moved p...
We hate to see it
cloud heron
There’s a bunch of ragers that come in packs of 3 at the end
You mean the escape? The ones that run across the bridges that get blown up?
daring nexus
Alright? So you are saying that I'm going to have nothing to BB for a full 50-75...
I’ve heard it said several times that aura doesn’t even effect your team mates. It makes Allies kills refresh YOUR CD not them
kind tulip
You mean the escape? The ones that run across the bridges that get blown up?
Yeah
There’s a fuuggggton
fierce sinew
well im glad you have better luck than I do. Outside of swarms, 6 stacks was not...
your experience is the variant one, maintaining 6 charges with AB prepatch was trivial
devout axle
I’ve heard it said several times that aura doesn’t even effect your team mates. ...
It 100% does. That's how Ogryn have been getting their penance to charge through 100 enemies.
kind tulip
One of the monster closets specifically spawn ragers in packs of 3
cloud heron
It 100% does. That's how Ogryn have been getting their penance to charge through...
Ogryn has a feat of their own to reduce ult cooldown
spice veldt
aura refreshes the ult CD of your allies
cyan notch
I’ve heard it said several times that aura doesn’t even effect your team mates. ...
its pskyer get kill = cdr for psyker and allies in coherency
spice veldt
i stood near a psyker and got some of my ult back when they killed an ult elite
cyan notch
killed an elite but yea
spice veldt
and it only happened with psykers
steel flame
your experience is the variant one, maintaining 6 charges with AB prepatch was t...
all i can do is go off what i have experienced in the last 300 hours. im glad thats not the case for everyone
daring nexus
It 100% does. That's how Ogryn have been getting their penance to charge through...
I’m any case I was never arguing for communion over aura I was arguing for KF over battery because all you really gain from battery is 8% more damage, not super relevant on damnation
cloud heron
I’m any case I was never arguing for communion over aura I was arguing for KF ov...
I feel like 8% to everything is going to be better than 1000 damage/15 seconds
floral solstice
@forest coral yo what staff are you running rn, i want you to do tests
cyan notch
I’m any case I was never arguing for communion over aura I was arguing for KF ov...
does 4 stacks kill shooters now?
twilit flicker
8% damage and sustain, think of it what you will, its fun with kinetic barrage, makes it even better
devout axle
I’m any case I was never arguing for communion over aura I was arguing for KF ov...
8% damage is huge when its permanent. But it's not just 8% damage, it's also 12% Warp Resistance, and, if you are running AB, doubleling the damage output from your ult.
vs KF which is now just a 15 sec CD with less utility than it had pre-patch. Even with the damage buff, that ends up being less than 100 extra dps.
And, unless you are using a high fire rate gun, you aren't even guaranteed to hit whatever you are trying to deal damage to.
forest coral
<@173395742482759680> yo what staff are you running rn, i want you to do tests
Trauma
Whatchu need tho
forest coral
Bet
steel flame
im hoping i get a 8% cast time blessing on trauma at some point
floral solstice
i havent tested much but purge and surge, and it's the usual stuff
devout axle
The whole reason people were running KF was to maintain warp charges to reduce the tedium of the 25 second minigame. That minigame basically doesn't exist anymore, and thus KF no longer serves that niche.
floral solstice
i ran KF with surge because i hated warp charges back then
floral solstice
im still not sure if i would take communion + battery on surge, my old setup stills feels better to me
cloud heron
Can you build charges off of communion alone?
cyan notch
kinda
devout axle
And that's fine. There are plenty of talents to make maintaining warp charges even lazier. Which was the original point I made.
#psyker-class message
forest coral
im still not sure if i would take communion + battery on surge, my old setup sti...
Communion works better the harder the difficulty or intensity I find
But it means you need to cling to someone. Useless if u like to wander off
steel flame
your experience is the variant one, maintaining 6 charges with AB prepatch was t...
i forgot to clarify, by bad. i meant maintaining stacks without having to use bb constantly
floral solstice
Communion works better the harder the difficulty or intensity I find
well i tried communion + battery last night but only on 1 hi5 game, accruing charges felt slow to me tbh, but i'll do more tests
on surge btw
fierce sinew
communion is better the higher you go because there are more enemies
forest coral
Hmm, try trauma or purg with it
fierce sinew
i forgot to clarify, by bad. i meant maintaining stacks without having to use bb...
also I don't know what to tell you, I usually have 6 before my shout is off cd again
floral solstice
stacks still go zoom
forest coral
Ab would def be worth running now
As long as u have team who can deal with elites reliably
Kinetic barrage is still safer all rounder option I feel
floral solstice
im more curious about how the warp charge changes affect trauma/void builds because i dont run them
hence why i asked you to test
for zero dollars
forest coral
im more curious about how the warp charge changes affect trauma/void builds beca...
With 80% damage trauma you can blow up hordes with much less charge
Before u needed at least 60-70% mark with unarmoured perk
floral solstice
with or without wrath (feat)?
daring nexus
If your running AB then absolutely take battery but i always do KB anyway. The thing is BB aside 8% more damage hasn’t really been helping my weapons much either. With staff bolts or sword it’s still 3 body shots or 2 head shots to kill with 0 charges or 6
spice veldt
infested; unarmoured is the one for groaners/dreg shooters
floral solstice
still a lot of shit that needs fixing in this game, but it's a start
im just coping that they start working on rebless soon
shadow wigeon
well i tried communion + battery last night but only on 1 hi5 game, accruing cha...
I’ve tried communion only for a few runs. It’s very inconsistent and produces very few charges sometimes.
It feels like it could be a trap. Anyway aura is amazing now.
If AB purg isn’t getting to 6 quick enough, then I guess it has value.
fierce sinew
losing charges one at a time is probably the single most requested class change and we got it
floral solstice
i've always used aura anyway, and i think i'll stick to my old surge build for now
shadow wigeon
i've always used aura anyway, and i think i'll stick to my old surge build for n...
Yeah communion was bad with surge before, worse now.
forest coral
Communion was more of a backline feat anyway
floral solstice
maybe... if wrack and ruin affected everything within a radius, there would be a niche for getting stacks with AB without running purg
shadow wigeon
Communion was more of a backline feat anyway
Passives are nice. I wonder what purg AB is like now
floral solstice
charges are fast even without communion on purg
welp at least on hi5 and normal t5
humble marten
Do wrack and ruin and kinetic flayer work together?
floral solstice
well wrack and ruin is a pretty shit feat on its own
also you can't specifically target enemies for flayer pops unless you're doing single target attacks like staff blasts
humble marten
Just trying to get extra value out of my head pops
I’ve been running kinetic overload since I mostly pop heads all game
forest coral
Wrack and ruin’s soul burn just doesn’t really do much
floral solstice
Just trying to get extra value out of my head pops
still better to run inner tranq instead of wrack
kind tulip
Best build is 1-2-1-2-1-3 with a decent purgatus staff and a force sword
not that my psyker is level 30 yet
The horde clearing will keep you at 6 stacks pretty consistently and you’ll get plenty of soulburn from the staff lmao. You can pull off quite a few headpops with 6 warp charges
azure goblet
Best build is 1-2-1-2-1-3 with a decent purgatus staff and a force sword
Yes I noticed this is a very strong build... maybe not the most fun, running purg without ascendant blaze but it's extremely versatile. I would say though, I think it's better with Deflector blessing on force sword and Kinetic Deflection, helps you close the distance you can't cover easily against ranger squads with purgatus so you dont get stuck brainbursting for 30 seconds
kind tulip
Very true very true. It works with kinetic deflection just fine, I just prefer the reduced toughness damage considering how often I’m sitting near max peril and how little I use my melee
spice veldt
kinetic shield is pretty nice for facetanking shooters
esp if you're already stacking toughness
kind tulip
Fr
spice veldt
i've run into shooters with just melee and survived, albeit with most of my hp gone
cloud heron
The horde clearing will keep you at 6 stacks pretty consistently and you’ll get ...
i don't mean this to be mean, but it's really funny to me the different names people use for soulblaze
azure goblet
yeah i actually run that build on damnation, with 3 toughness curios
kind tulip
i don't mean this to be mean, but it's really funny to me the different names pe...
Lmao it’s spiritual and it’s fire
Any synonyms are perfect
azure goblet
best build ive found for doing damnation with randos
spice veldt
i think we have pretty consistent terminology for soul oxygenation
we should just use different names every time we bring it up
kind tulip
best build ive found for doing damnation with randos
Yeah that’s the intent behind its creation I think
My friends have all but given up on the game so randos are what I’ve got
kind tulip
we should just use different names every time we bring it up
For what? Ghostflame?
azure goblet
i think we have pretty consistent terminology for soul oxygenation
you mean warp metastasis right?
hexed sage
Which one?
spice veldt
yeah, that one
azure goblet
metastasis being development of secondary malignant growths at a distance from the primary site of cancer
the psyker is the primary site of warp cancer
so warp metastasis
spice veldt
hmm, i can live with that interpretation
restive slate
Are Psykers vectors for warp disease?
forest coral
Absolutely
azure goblet
havent u been listening to the zealots
restive slate
Unless Chaos is the cure, the Imperium is the bloated disease
kind tulip
There’s a pretty good reason we aren’t well liked… but we’re also crucial to the war effort
kind tulip
Unless Chaos is the cure, the Imperium is the bloated disease
Heresy.
restive slate
By the 5 Rusting Spires
azure goblet
so which do you guys think is more important on a voidstaff, warp resistance or quell speed?
restive slate
I'd go warp res
kind tulip
Yeah that’s where I’m at too
hexed sage
best build ive found for doing damnation with randos
Which build do you use for that?
restive slate
More pew pews to compete with the Veteran
kind tulip
Best build is 1-2-1-2-1-3 with a decent purgatus staff and a force sword
This one @hexed sage
fierce sinew
you use transfer peril with voidstrike so quelling is less important
restive slate
Oh yea Transfer Peril is a Belovedsend
azure goblet
Which build do you use for that?
One of these builds with purgatus and deflector force sword:
1-2-1-1-1-3
3-2-1-1-1-3
honestly i think quietude is better there, essence harvest only worth with ascendant blaze
sometimes swap Psychic communion for Psykinetic's aura (the lvl 15 feat), depends on the comp
running Kinetic Barrage lets you do the veteran's job for him since he always fails
azure goblet
I'd go warp res
so this is the highest base rating voidstaff ive ever found (the blue one) and the yellow one is one of the 5 i've transcended that all have some dire flaw
restive slate
Them blessings ain't the greatest tho
Stats wise is good
Gotta wait till Next Week TM for crafting
Blue one is actually pretty nice
azure goblet
here are my other failures. Far as I can tell Warp Flurry doesnt currently work so thats creating problems
restive slate
Ooooh that Transfer Peril and Warp Flurry tho
azure goblet
I'm trying to get Rending for Void
yeah and im trying to get Blazing Spirit for surge lulz
too bad they dont drop on them xD
restive slate
Ahh lemme know how it goes, Blazing Spirit on Void is... Meh imo haha
azure goblet
i know i mean i want it on surge lol
rose lily
this patch fix about losing warp charges gradually seems great
azure goblet
which doesnt drop, just as rending i dont think drops on void
restive slate
Yup yup I get ya, let us know how it's like on surge
long wharf
can you get rending shockwave on void?
azure goblet
anyway though, the blue voidstaff there is the best if it gets another good blessing right?
long wharf
oh hey you can
restive slate
Oh yes, at work, but wanna try buffed Psyker now haha
long wharf
that might be a good blessing on void
restive slate
Yep, it just drops so rarely
long wharf
problem is void isn't very good against the heavy elites, where you'd want the rending
restive slate
Them Ogryns in big trouble once Rending Shockwave comes into play
azure goblet
so the end of january patch they made the blazing spirit on crit affect everything in the aoe, you actually do get decent warp charges from asendant blaze with it now
long wharf
I'd rather have transfer peril and warp flurry (once it gets fixed)
restive slate
so the end of january patch they made the blazing spirit on crit affect everythi...
Oh? Interesting
azure goblet
yeah im tryna get a transfer peril/warp flurry voidstaff, and separately a blazing spirit/warp nexus voidstaff
so i can play them both and decide which is better
also i tested it extensively, and blazing spirit on void procs on crit, then if you finish the target with anything it gives 10% chance for warp charge
thats how they 'fixed' the purgatus only giving 10% chance from enemies dying to burning, they made it so ur dmg gives the % chance not just the DoT (pretty sure)
cuz i can light things on fire in meat grinder and kill them with a sword and get warp charges
and yes i made sure i wasnt testing with psychic communion/kinetic flayer
thing is, the proc is too rare on voidstaff without also having warp nexus for that +20% crit, and i cant get both on one staff so far
hence my endless quest for blazing spirit on a surge staff
steel flame
yeah as long as its on fire with your fire and dies ab can prock
id like to get staffs in general
all i get out of the dam store is guns
azure goblet
also i need to test more but i think if another psyker lights shit on fire u can kill it and get warp charge procs from AB
cuz i keep doing that on voidstrike and capping at 6 chrages immediately when they AB ult a horde lol
rose lily
yeah im tryna get a transfer peril/warp flurry voidstaff, and separately a blazi...
which staffs is warp nexus best on?
and how is the "based on current peril" calculate?
azure goblet
its definitely good on purgatus, since crit on purg applies 2 burning stacks
clear heath
i think i remember someone saying nexus gets a stack at 30%, 50%, 97%, and 97%. That was a while back and i'm not sure if that's still true
yes both stacks at 97
it sounded weird to me too
azure goblet
this is basically what u want for a purg
maybe minus that first blessing
oh and switch the ranged crit on that to 5% crit chance
clear heath
ah it was this
rose lily
this is basically what u want for a purg
nice, here's mine:
rose lily
this is basically what u want for a purg
i would think an unarmored or maybe infested perk might be better, and what about warp flurry instead of warp nexus?
i guess it depends on if you're going for crit more or not
azure goblet
i would think an unarmored or maybe infested perk might be better, and what abou...
I kept the flak armored dmg so i dont end up with 1/3 of a horde left after a full charge, and warp flurry doesnt currently work on purgatus staff. Also crits on purgatus apply 2 stacks of burning, as mentioned above
regal musk
Can Blazing Spirit appear on a Surge stick?
orchid shadow
I don't think Iso
azure goblet
no i wish
i'd be running that with AB, psykinetic aura and kinetic overload just burning everything
regal musk
So uhh random question, has the DH always been able to just instant kill you despite having taken no health damage and having toughness remaning"?
clear heath
no
regal musk
It just did
regal musk
One wound was corrupted (joined mid mission). But health was otherwise as full as it could be, still had toughness and it just went straight into the kill animation and popped me
clear heath
How much hp do you think you had?
devout axle
One wound was corrupted (joined mid mission). But health was otherwise as full a...
If DH downs you, it will start eating you, regardless of your total corruption.
clear heath
In damnation, it has a swipe that does 125 damage
cyan notch
One wound was corrupted (joined mid mission). But health was otherwise as full a...
got a clip?
runic gate
regal musk
Dont have the clip sadly. Was asking if it was intended and passed the clip window
pine relic
Why is the veteran getting buffed again, I now declaim Psyker buff is not enough!
vestal stirrup
What level do the different staves unlock?
spice veldt
i think the purgatus staff, the last one you unlock, is at lvl 15
no idea about the 3 other staffs tho
left crater
Why is the veteran getting buffed again, I now declaim Psyker buff is not enough...
Not only that, but they increased it to 50% iirc
shadow onyx
meanwhile zealot nerfed
50% more dmg taken
with the crit DR feature
and ogryn too
regal musk
It just puts the DR on par with the ogrynb bleed DR feat
shadow onyx
except crit was niche, and not constant unlike doing heavies
regal musk
It was constant enough to maintain the buff, which is as constant as it needed to be lol
clear heath
It was constant on weapons like knife and taxe
regal musk
Well it wasnt impossible to use with other weapons, just harder lol, though its even less worth taking without taxe or knife now
shadow onyx
shadow onyx
Well it wasnt _impossible_ to use with other weapons, just harder lol, though it...
true
i play c axe with shred
and it was fine
regal musk
Kinda wish they'd rework it to be hits instead of crits, stacking the DR with each sucessiuve hit, At least that it its still viable for everyonbe else.
clear heath
I abused it to hell with taxe
and could tell it probably wasn't balanced like that
regal musk
Shoutout to the lads in that random heresy run who helped me get Monstrous penance lol
regal musk
Had no real intent to get it. One of them asked for help with it if one spawned, so when slug came out to play we let him have it.
Then they all helped me when the gryn spawned immediately after lol
tired estuary
That almost sounds like a game I was in lol
regal musk
Sadly, we had a bad luck spike on boss and lost the mission XD
tired estuary
Oh okay nvm lol
shadow onyx
it happens
regal musk
Yeh. I dont car eif a run fails tbh, i just enjoy the slaughter on the way.
Not like clearing the mission actually has good odds of geiving me worthwhile loot anyway XD
shadow onyx
yeah
tired estuary
Ye at this point I'm mostly just vibin, grabbing mats and slapping heretics around
shadow onyx
i'm just afking
waiting for a good evis which will never come
i'm so into despair
i've reroll another zealot
to double the chances
regal musk
One day ill finish Cliffhangar and complete Kinetic Killer lol
clear heath
i love checking 4 shops every hour and getting disappointed 4 times per hour
shadow onyx
One day ill finish Cliffhangar and complete Kinetic Killer lol
you can easily doing it in solo
on the bridge
regal musk
I dont even do that. I just jump on to kill heretics occasionaly and check shop when i do.
Feels like id burn out of wanting to play if checked the shop that often XD
regal musk
you can easily doing it in solo
Yeah probably, I just have no real motivation to do so 😛
clear heath
I just check shop through the extension
Opening the game to check 4 shops would be hell
regal musk
I have it at 5/7 and im not even sure where that happened
regal musk
But its been like that since launch day
Pity this isnt Soulblaze stacks, Might have been a funny way to do AB Gun Psyker
regal musk
its pretty fast tho, you get in, wait for horde
Is it specifically pushes with Wrath, or do melee pushes count?
shadow onyx
only F
leaden pier
how's the new psyker stuff siblings?
regal musk
Found the heretic onboard!
pine relic
I think my Psyker play becomes very one dimension, I just focus on keeping my stacks and BB enemies all the time.
regal musk
Take Wrack and Overload then lol
rose lily
I think my Psyker play becomes very one dimension, I just focus on keeping my st...
bro this new patch will help with that, retaining WCs
regal musk
Theyre not amazing but if youre spamming BB, you'll get some mileage from them
rose lily
Theyre not amazing but if youre spamming BB, you'll get some mileage from them
especially with kinetic barrage
clear heath
I'm definitely BB more now after the patch
but honestly that's more because it's stronger now
The numbers buffs don't look that much bigger on paper but it feels really noticeable with the new breakpoints
shy warren
seeing the big buff to charges makes me want to redownload lol
regal musk
especially with kinetic barrage
Yeah but if you take AB with it, Wrack and Overload will trigger Blazes that might give you charges, which triggers more Overloads XD
pine relic
Though I'm not happy about the veteran buff, you definitely kill Crusher and Bulwark faster than zealot and veteran.
clear heath
veteran buffs don't seem that big anyways, but yeah it's weird that they didn't get any nerfs
analog juniper
Yeah but if you take AB with it, Wrack and Overload will trigger Blazes that mig...
Wrack and Ruin? It's useless
pine relic
Well, it's weak point damage, you not gonna shot ragers in the head that many times in the real game play, too many distractions.
rose lily
Yeah but if you take AB with it, Wrack and Overload will trigger Blazes that mig...
true but i don't tend to lean hard on blaze stacks
i'm more half CC with purg, half BB with KB and psykenetic's aura
regal musk
Wrack and Ruin? It's useless
For the most part yeah. But if you're focusing in on doing a LOT of BBs, chances are you'll hit a lot of specials with it
analog juniper
Still not worth using in the slightest
regal musk
true but i don't tend to lean hard on blaze stacks
i'm more half CC with purg, h...
AB is mostly for its secondary effect of generating charges on Soulblze affected kills, It synergizes well with other feats that spread soulblaze.
How effective it is .. whole other story. But its a fun thing to do :3
fierce sinew
nvm thought you meant lacerations, wrack and ruin is jokes
even if you're only BBing tranquility is way way better
regal musk
nvm thought you meant lacerations, wrack and ruin is jokes
Needs buffs absolutely. Be great if it was on ANY BB kill.
But the theory behind the feat is fine. Just needs buffs to be worth it lol
clear heath
tranquility is also so much more useful now that it's pretty effortless to maintain 6 charges
shy warren
so do the warp charges go away 1 by 1 now instead of the whole stack?
fierce sinew
if it would proc on any kill and give 4-6 stacks then sure
regal musk
if it would proc on any kill and give 4-6 stacks then sure
Make it give stacks of Soulblaze basedon Charge count >_>
shy warren
Dang, that is definitely a game changing buff imo
regal musk
More charges, more stacks and wider radius >_>
fierce sinew
it really is
shy warren
warp charges actually matter now lmao
fierce sinew
they always did, now people don't have to gimp themselves with bad feats to maintain them
rose lily
AB is mostly for its secondary effect of generating charges on Soulblze affected...
it is fun, agreed on that
clear heath
wrack and ruin is so hilariously bad
the trigger condition, the damage, the range
pine relic
warp charges actually matter now lmao
Yeah, I used to don't care if my teammates kill my BB target, I didn't do damage anyway.
clear heath
why is wrack and ruin 3m of range?
to do like 8 dps
only on elite/special kill
wtf
regal musk
why is wrack and ruin 3m of range?
Better question is why is it so short ranged .. while applying such few stacks .. while requiring such a specialized condition trigger lol
fierce sinew
wrack and ruin honestly gives me the very strong impression of a relic of a previous build of the game
regal musk
It could be a good feat if the effects improved with more Charges held
analog juniper
wtf
Because the devs are Veteran mains and only want you to play Veteran. It's very simple
fierce sinew
like the numbers got chosen before the current soulblaze DoT curve, warp charges, BB damage etc were
pine relic
Because the devs are Veteran mains and only want you to play Veteran. It's very ...
That was the game environment though. when I first played DT, most teammates are veterans.
regal musk
Hold up, Was Overload always 4 stacks of Soulblaze?
clear heath
I'm pretty sure it was yeah
fierce sinew
yes
regal musk
Huh,. Coulda sworn it was only 1 stack lol guess i didnt read it right
regal musk
Ehh i try battery on Purge ... Never get back to 6 stacks before Wrath is ready and blasts my charges away XD
fierce sinew
you need to be purging though, on anything else it's jokes
cold geode
interesting math on this dueling sword
shy warren
holy hell psyker is great now lol
so is flayer still kind of the perk to run or is warp battery a better choice now?
regal musk
The primary builds are doing much better, true.
Many psyker feats remain to be fixed tho
pine relic
some players are still not happy about the damage.
shy warren
I guess warp battery isn't super worth it for 8% dmg
pine relic
It has its use, can you one-shot dog at heresy with four charges, I don't remember
regal musk
I just dont like how it tacks the bonus damage from having additional charges onto the end.
I'd be much happier with it if it made you get 2 charges per BB kill lol
Overload could benefit from altering it slightly to provide 1 Soulblaze stack per Warp Charge you had instead of only activating at max stacks.
No effect on the upper end, but makes it actually function while you're getting up to max stacks.
tulip drum
i've been hearing a lot how the combat knife is one of the best psyker weapons...I haven't tried it yet...just curious why?
regal musk
attacks fast, good mobility
tulip drum
what makes it better than like Mk V duelling sword?
that attacks super fast and has stupid dodge stats
regal musk
i dunno, personally io dont use eithger weapon lol
tulip drum
yeah i use an antax with brutal momentum and limb splitter like everyone else lol...just wondering what the hype is all about
floral solstice
i've been hearing a lot how the combat knife is one of the best psyker weapons.....
they probably spam push-attacks with it while using KD + psyker's lower stam regen delay
otherwise i have no idea, i dont like it myself either
regal musk
We just dont have any feats that really enhance melee
pine relic
Or they will just release the great force sword in the early leak.
regal musk
Watch it have Slab Shield stats 😛
still hearth
Nice
shadow wigeon
so is flayer still kind of the perk to run or is warp battery a better choice no...
I’ve switched to warp battery SURGE oops (+aura, barrage)
You have to do some maintenance BBing to keep stacks at max
jovial mural
what kind of currios yall think psyker should go for
regal musk
Up to you and how you play tbh
slow karma
I'd have picked it up anyway really but again, I'm biased as shit
regal musk
Id give you this crap if i could. Emperor insists on giving me lasguns as gifts.
slow karma
If I could have gotten one of those on my vet, Id have kept him
But I straight up cannot use like
any other gun worth shit for some reason
cloud sequoia
except hellbore other gun is easy to use
regal musk
Funny, I actually found the hellbore easier to use than the kantrael on my baby vet
Admittedly, shes only 8, so the stats on everything suck which probably plays a part in why they feel so shit
cloud sequoia
probably, i just hate the click animation when switching
regal musk
yeah. I find tyhat annoying on everything that isnt Pysker with staff.
My headcannon is that youre flipping the safety >_>
lilac tapir
safety on weapons in 40k? 😄
cloud sequoia
"safety" for kriegsman weapon
regal musk
I'm pretty sure the average guardsman would like to not blow his own legs off when his lasgun isnt pointed at the enemy 😛
lilac tapir
I guess it makes sense from Administratum perspective, it would be a wasted "resource" that could otherwise be used fighting the enemy 🙂
regal musk
lol yeah, well i wouldnt be so sure about that .. given the administratum places a higher value on the gun than the guardsman XD
remote void
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> "safety" for kriegsman weapon
What's this "safety" you speak of?
slow karma
Frankly, I just sucked with target placement
I so often ran out of ammo and never managed to kill much or do anything helpful during hordes
So at least getting to the mk12 would have helped me not suck. But it was too early on so I had to suffer being extra trash for too long
regal musk
I hate how terrible the accuracy is oin the mk12 if youre not ADS
still hearth
Why are you not ADSing
regal musk
At least the early ones are terrible, Dunno how they handle at high level
still hearth
slow karma
I mean, hipfiring a carbine-style weapon doesn't strike me as best practise
regal musk
Cos im not going ADS to shoot something at point blank lol
regal musk
Yeh, and i dont like it for that reason lol
clear heath
You don't need to ads to hit things at point blank
but why are you shooting things at point blank?
slow karma
I'm pretty sure point blank range is where accuracy doesn't matter too much to begin with
regal musk
My vet is like level 8. Ive done 3 missions with it. Havent really figuyred ou t its playstyle yet
still hearth
Get level 30 and use an agripaa braced auto
slow karma
You've also exposed your bad habits so enjoy that bullying
clear heath
If you need to aim at a single thing at point blank range, what are you even using your melee for?
regal musk
Habit from Psyker probably.