without peril blocking, standing still and block tanking was never a viable strategy
#psyker-class
long wharf
whole oxide
doesn't help that the other 2 feats on that tier are weak
summer prairie
They should switch kinetic shield back to warp charges
long wharf
They should switch kinetic shield back to warp charges
yes they should
still hearth
Kinetic Shield needs to not be on the same tier as KD
long wharf
it's not
still hearth
It is
long wharf
but if you don't intend to block, it's an option, at least
still hearth
summer prairie
Also I just played a game and my knife went from 5 stamina to 4 somehow. Not sure if it was like that immediately or something happened during the mission. I was running +3 stamina to be clear
long wharf
oh, I misread that "Kinetic Shield needs to not be on the same level as KD"
as in level of usefulness
my bad
hot zephyr
Yeah, feat tier, not use
summer prairie
In the grinder I've 5 stamina, during the mission it was only 4
hot zephyr
KD is obviously best in tier by a long long way atm, and KS and MIM need massive buffs to bring them up to where they can compete
KS is viable, but MIM is literally flaming garbage compared to just passive quelling with a non-warp weapon
still hearth
KS is interesting if you run Gun build but even then I prefer having Peril block
Mind in Motion needs to actually let you move
And not just make you walk at full speed while quelling
hot zephyr
Gun build tends to be low-peril in my experience, while something like Voidstrike or Purge are high peril builds where you won't be blocking much so it's worth it to take KS
still hearth
The idea is to rush up to max peril
Then swap to Gun
But yeah the peril goes away so fast
hot zephyr
Yeah, it dumps really quick, even when you mag dump a Recon it quells faster than the mag empties
summer prairie
MK2 dueling sword with rampage, 6 stacks and +perk can now kill 2 groaners with one push attack, almost 3
hot zephyr
And since KS needs to have at least some peril to put the base shield up, when you're at zero you basically aren't using the feat
hot zephyr
Yeah, it's hard to test defensive feats
hot zephyr
Either way, KS you want to be above 50% peril as much as you can to get the 20% or 25% or whatever reduction rate
And gun build tends to yo-yo between 0 and 100 and 0 really fast cus you're always weapon cycling
spice oar
WARP charges fall of gradually now let's go
frank hazel
Hype for psyker buffs wee
hot zephyr
WARP charges fall of gradually now let's go
The party is in the secret psyker chat.... -----> thataway
spice oar
Praise the corpse emperor
rare furnace
So buffed or changed description?
still hearth
Also I just played a game and my knife went from 5 stamina to 4 somehow. Not sur...
I get the same
sick cove
hmm, now that you more consistently have max charges perhaps kinetic overload is more viable
rare furnace
I think different weapons have different stamina
still hearth
I think its a bug
hot zephyr
I think different weapons have different stamina
Different weapons do give different stam bonuses naturally
still hearth
I think it is just the UI
hot zephyr
For example, Psyker base has 1 stam. Most weapons naturally give at least +1, some +2 or +3. For example, I know the Chainsword gives +2 Stam, so Psyker (1) + Chainsword (2) + Stam Curio (assume a +3) should give you 6 stam.
chrome dune
WARP charges fall of gradually now let's go
Wasn’t that always the case? They only last 25 seconds.
chrome dune
Yooooo! I can mad get behind that!
silent wave
I've been saying it needs to work that way since the pre-order beta
spice oar
It's awesome
chrome dune
I had long ago stopped stressing about losing the stack, but this is a huge buff!
silent wave
Huge buff for psyker qol
chrome dune
pine relic
So buffed or changed description?
Buffed
gilded viper
Warp siphon? What was that again?
still hearth
tawny swallow
woah only one per 25?
gilded viper
So you only lose 1 charge instead of all. That’s really nice actually
still hearth
Its huge
tawny swallow
I don’t really know if warp charges are very impactful myself tbh but they probably will be now sure
gilded viper
Can we 1 shot dogs now with the bb and warp charge changes?
still hearth
Having to only get 1 stack back instead of 4 or 6 if you get stuck is nice
still hearth
Can we 1 shot dogs now with the bb and warp charge changes?
Nope
silent wave
From what I've heard, no
gilded viper
Hell
still hearth
You do on Heresy
pine relic
I just played a few games, you feel much more impactful as Psyker now.
gilded viper
So did any breakpoints on brain burst change? (On damnation anyway)
fossil snow
Been curious on that too
idle bay
It might be a late spawn. But there was 1 special during the final in the Smelter (after you push the button).
There was no specials there before
gilded viper
It just seems weird that with a 10% increase to bb directly, along with now a 24% increase to damage overall potentially, something changed right?
sinful stream
So did any breakpoints on brain burst change? (On damnation anyway)
I want to know this too, flamers were pretty close to one shot iirc maybe that was heresy.
sinful stream
It just seems weird that with a 10% increase to bb directly, along with now a 24...
The damage increase overall was 4-6%
Warp charges went up by 1%
summer prairie
you can twoshot bulwarks with 4 (?) stacks
gilded viper
I run warp battery a lot which is why I stressed the 24%, but like even 12% to 16% isn’t awfully small
sinful stream
you can twoshot bulwarks with 4 (?) stacks
That's dope. Was hoping some of the 3-bb kill enemies would go down
celest hedge
That’s a nice break point to hit
gilded viper
Bulwarks and reapers have the same hp don’t they?
celest hedge
I want to say different defense type but I think Bb does equal damage to carapise and maniac enemies
summer prairie
reapers take 3
gilded viper
Did scab rager go down to 1?
summer prairie
no
safe crystal
Bulwarks with 4 charges requires 2 BB with the change. Crushers require 3, reapers require 3. Everything else has the same breakpoint
celest hedge
20% damage boost with 6 charges instead of 16% sounds nice, not sure if it hits any break points though for weapons
sinful stream
With 0 charges reapers required 4 bbs on damnation, hoping thay goes down to 3
gilded viper
Well. That’s a shame on the breakpoints. But it should make a stiff breeze knock anything over
safe crystal
Lacerations dont change this, except crushers will have very low hp after the 2nd BB
gilded viper
I didn’t think lacerations affected bb damage?
safe crystal
It does
celest hedge
I was going to ask that about lac
gilded viper
So what is warp damage then?
safe crystal
Probably staves only? Idk, Its another Fatshark moment
celest hedge
I assume staff damage yeah
gilded viper
Which one is lacerations on 2(10) or 3(15) right?
summer prairie
poxbursters should only take one with 5+ (?) stacks
sick cove
so does warp battery and laceration combo affect any breakpoints?
safe crystal
Lacerations is on 3, it competes with warp charge in coherency and cooldown on elite kills in coherency
celest hedge
Stacks going away one at a time rather than all at once means that you don’t need to work as hard to maintain it so communion loses value there but is still good, so the other feats at tbay tier seem more worth taking
gilded viper
15% cooldown reduction on elite or special kill is nice. I run it more since I saw some duo damnation players using it
I like ascendant blaze, but I imagine kinetic barrage gets a lot out of it as well
celest hedge
I think the duration could be longer but at 25%, laceration seems much more viable
orchid shadow
Is Ascendant Blaze bugged right now? It's not clearing my Warp chargers in the Psyke Gym
summer prairie
it is clearing for me
celest hedge
Probably still niche a a support pick, but worth taking
gilded viper
I really don’t want to do the headache on Laceration breakpoints for teammates.
Especially since you don’t know what randoms are running, or what the comp will be
orchid shadow
Ah, I see it now, my bad
viral inlet
I figured out what's going on
I was on an experimental branch of DT and the game didn't update lol
my testing in the meat grinder was pure placebo
lilac tapir
So what is warp damage then?
there is a google doc that helps understand what's warp damage and what's not, I usually use that one
safe crystal
I think the duration could be longer but at 25%, laceration seems much more viab...
The problem with lacerations is it doesnt change your breakpoints on damnation at all. Reapers and Crushers are still at 3, but with less health, so the benefit you get from this is 25% more damage against monstrosities, basically. Its still good, dont get me wrong. It might change breakpoints on heresy, i didnt test that.
lilac tapir
not sure if posting links is allowed here?
olive ember
gilded viper
So what’s the optimal option for monstrosities? Melee, bb or stacking fire dot?
olive ember
Amazing KO doesn’t target dead enemies anymore
summer prairie
Stacking dots
safe crystal
Brainburst once if you have lacerations, then stack dots
summer prairie
it's only for 5 seconds, not worth it. Maybe once the dot is up
safe crystal
Your team also benefits from it
orchid shadow
Actually, nope. It's not clearing it for me in the gym. I'm running 6 Stacks, Ascendent Blaze and the Aura. The Ult is setting things on fire, I see my stacks still at 6, the Fire periodically grants me a warp charge refreshing my 6 stack, and my Ult comes back and I haven't even lost a charge
lilac tapir
RE: what counts as a warp attack or not for the purposes of CL
safe crystal
Actually, nope. It's not clearing it for me in the gym. I'm running 6 Stacks, ...
Thats a bug specifically in Psykanium, it still clears them normally
summer prairie
even with that setup it clears them for me even in the grinder
orchid shadow
Thats a bug specifically in Psykanium, it still clears them normally
Ah okay, thanks, good to know
safe crystal
It happens randomly, i had it on my first F as well, and the second didnt
gilded viper
So no more losing the bb on bombers due to the giant stun on their grenades
Cathartic
pine relic
RE: what counts as a warp attack or not for the purposes of CL
so, does anybody willing to try revolver psyker?
idle bay
They broke Enclavum baross in patch. It's not ending now 🙂 After Purge the Heretics objective 🙂 Or we just got... lucky!
lilac tapir
do normal mobs/specials/horde continue to spawn? might be nice for farming penances that require you to kill X
idle bay
Oh.. we karked around for 5 mintues and it ended normaly
Nothing spawned. We checked every nook and cranny for 5 minutes. And then ending triggered and bridges extended
safe pendant
They broke Enclavum baross in patch. It's not ending now 🙂 After Purge the Here...
It was broken before the patch. Someone has to leave game and log back in and that fixes it. Least, that's how we got ours to work the last time it happened
idle bay
Also now if player with Grimoire disconnects - Grimoire will disappear, previously bot kept it.
whole oxide
RE: what counts as a warp attack or not for the purposes of CL
Testing in Meatgrinder shows CL affects force-sword special, but not BB
lilac tapir
thanks, it might need further testing after the patch (including live testing and not meatgrinder testing), I don't think anyone updated the google spreadsheet yet
lilac tapir
happy to hear that 🙂
whole oxide
numbers are hard
lilac tapir
<insert Ogryn counting fingers meme> 😉
orchid shadow
Hmm, can someone clarify Kinetic Flayer for me please? Is the 10% chance with a 15 second timer hard internal cooldown? Or is it a 10% chance per target, so each target gets an individual internal cooldown?
cloud heron
Hmm, can someone clarify Kinetic Flayer for me please? Is the 10% chance with a...
1 BB per 15s
pine relic
Clearly, the former. what are you thinking.
orchid shadow
Booo, okay thanks. I thought I saw a video where it stated the latter.
magic burrow
it's a free BB every 15 seconds, but you can't really direct where it goes most of the time
pine relic
Do you think you need other teammates if it works like that?
slow karma
Man, put your cudgel away, it was a simple question
orchid shadow
Well, yeah. I need someone to cower behind. 😛
slow karma
as cracked as it would be, having it trigger during a hoard would be one of the single most satisfying things in the world
regal musk
Hordes with Purgatus would be hilarious if each target had its own cooldown lol
slow karma
It COULD work like that if the chance was tiny
lilac tapir
however, it's worth noting that KF can trigger off BB as well (with a 10% chance as everything else) and BB initialized by this does not generate Peril
gilded viper
Hordes with purge are already hilarious
slow karma
But it'd be hard to balance
gilded viper
I am hoping for a potential redesign/notable buff to the fire talents. Cause other than ascendant blaze, there is literally no reason to take any of them
regal musk
Ehhh I dunno.
Most other classes have melee weapons that can 1 or 2 shot swathes of poxwalkers per sweep.
Surely our ability to explode 20 heads simeltanously wouldn't be too broken 😛
gilded viper
Power sword is dumb, but skullbreaker and preacher are more melee focused to begin with
I would hope poxwalkers are less of an issue for them
lilac tapir
A well rolled Antax V with Brutal Momentum and 6 warp stacks? Maybe not as good as a preacher or power sword but we're getting there 😉
safe pendant
does the mk IV dueling sword have a good moveset?
slow karma
Like even if it weren't as solid as it is, the sheer feel of the weapon alone would give it bonus points for me
cloud heron
"Fixed an issue where Curios with Stamina perks would apply +1 instead of the correct amount."
Anyone tried this with kinetic deflection?
rotund hound
I just did what's required in the "going out with a bang" in malice on 3 ragers, and the explosion killed them. It didn't complet the penance, is it normal ?
rotund hound
It does ? The description is messy, mostly in french
lilac tapir
it says 3 Elites in EN version
slow karma
I'm not entirely sure myself, I don't chase penances, they're dogshit
But yeah if it doesn't specify it's just a Certified Fatshark Moment™
pine relic
does the mk IV dueling sword have a good moveset?
Yes, and very good weak point damages. it also has great dodge distance to deal with mutie
lilac tapir
I've seen people do it on 3 of the same Elites so unless they changed it with the path maybe it was a simple bug or one of the elites died from some source other than explosion (could be your own source such as soulblaze in which case the game would still show that you killed all 3)
safe pendant
Thanks, this 380 will be my little project
pine relic
It's basically used to fight hordes and maniacs, but not armor enemies.
rotund hound
I, for sure, killed them only with the explosion
lilac tapir
were you on Malice or higher 100%?
rotund hound
Malice
slow karma
I just tried this feat spread out on a heresy run and it was very nice.
celest hedge
The problem with lacerations is it doesnt change your breakpoints on damnation a...
The main point of it has usually always been for bosses. It’s one of your only feat options for bosses, and it’s a level 15 feat, the level 15 feat for every class are all supportive and team oriented, which that one still is
lilac tapir
Malice
hmm... I hope they didn't change it to "3 different" or bug it altogether because I still need to get it and it's annoying as it is 🙂
frail berry
How important is mobility on FS? Is 50% too low if other stats near max?
slow karma
Not at all, that's pretty good
FS has infinite dodge count so mobility is still helpful but it's one of the better low stats
and 50% is still pretty sick too
so you have a banger on your hands
Unlike mine that has a 20% first target roll 
magic burrow
I would change the lesser useful Soulblaze feats to the following:
Wrack and Ruin:
Killing an Elite or Specialist with Brain Burst applies Soulblaze Stacks equal to your current amount of Warp Charges to all enemies within 5 meters of the target.
Kinetic Overload:
While you have maximum Warp Charges, gaining a Warp Charge instead applies 4 Stacks of Soulblaze to all enemies in a 3 meter radius around you.
gilded viper
Wrack and Ruin is so awful to try and make work is my issue
celest hedge
I feel the only bad soul blaze one is the tier 10 one since you’re limited by range and enemies you can trigger it on
The others I think are fine but only limited by soul blaze stacks/damage itself
long wharf
I just tried this feat spread out on a heresy run and it was very nice.
I figured it would
magic burrow
Wrack and ruin would still be kind of meh, but if you combine it with the six warp charge feat, you could at least kill the basic riffraff surrounding the elite. Kinetic Overload would be fun to use with ascendant blaze, just going into a horde hacking and slashing and having everything burst into flames
gilded viper
There just isn’t a reason to run any of them other than Ascendant Blaze in my experience.
I want the exploding flames blessing for Purge staff
Flamer gets the fun blessing. I want the fun blessing
slow karma
Yeah it's good shit
Only time I even lost health was from going critical a couple times without my F up
magic burrow
what's the exploding flames blessing?
long wharf
Wrack and ruin would still be kind of meh, but if you combine it with the six wa...
I still wouldn't take W&R
gilded viper
There’s a chance to explode on death
magic burrow
what if you tied the exploding flames functionality to wrack and ruin? Killing the elite/specialist causes an explosion, both dealing damage and setting things around it on fire
gilded viper
what's the exploding flames blessing?
Showstopper
+5%/10%/15%/20% Elite enemy Explodes on kill.
Weapons: Flamer
lucid horizon
now psyker is boss
safe crystal
The main point of it has usually always been for bosses. It’s one of your only f...
Yah, its not bad, i dont deny that. Its just VERY one dimensional, and sometimes it just does nothing on a run. Its rough since its competing with communion as well, and i, myself, am not going to switch them with each other on any builds i use right now
gilded viper
Space pyro could be so much more fun if the talents were better. Purge is great to be sure and ascendant blaze is BiS if you don’t like Kinetic Barrage, but other than that. Meh
celest hedge
If they made the ability to have a chance to get charges on any kill base kit and made communion count kills in aura range, than it would be worth more
gilded viper
now psyker is boss
We were always boss sibling
celest hedge
That’s probably the one change I want more than anything
dry tide
boy I sure wish I could play with these psyker changes, but now the game crashes whenever I change the control sensitivity
marsh token
boy I sure wish I could play with these psyker changes, but now the game crashes...
Same issue when change FOV ingame.
I changed it over the config file
daring nexus
Warp charges still feel like they don’t contribute much. 1% increase per charge isn’t going to suddenly make them worth stacking
whole oxide
main thing is you can ditch the passive charge-gain feat and stay at max stacks without too much trouble now
only reason to take it now would be synergy with essence harvest
safe mountain
1% is enough to one shot hounds with 5 stacks on heresy
gleaming comet
boy I sure wish I could play with these psyker changes, but now the game crashes...
I feel ya. My laptop's refusing to let me play the game rn, gonna take it in to diagnose what the problem is 
manic needle
Am I reading this correctly that they nerfed Ogryns...?
gleaming comet
nope
daring nexus
1% is enough to one shot hounds with 5 stacks on heresy
I only play damnation at this point and dogs are still out of reach for BB. The only changes there are to the ogryn breakpoints which is appreciated but I really just want them to let us one shot ragers and flamers
gleaming comet
they fixed Raging Bull (and reduced it as a result), and then buffed a ton of their weps
the other talent that got reduced was already kinda suboptimal in its tier
manic needle
So why reduce it? lol
daring nexus
So people would take it negative times instead of 0
gleaming comet
because otherwise it would be broken, getting like 80% extra damage on melee weapons for free
on a class that already had solid melee damage on a pretty decent chunk of their weapons
still hearth
Raging Bull was basically the only option
Because the other two options
Sucked even more than the unfixed Raging Bull
Payback Time needs to be something else because I'm pretty sure its only HP damage that counts
burnt schooner
I figured out what's going on
I was on an experimental branch of DT and the game...
i got same message. how did you fix it?
still hearth
And Knife Through Butter is terrible.
pine relic
I only play damnation at this point and dogs are still out of reach for BB. The ...
The damage is really balanced for psyker now. other classes also need to rely on blessings to deal damages, it is just Psyker does not have any weapon blessings to help power up BB.
viral inlet
i got same message. how did you fix it?
i was in a beta branch, I just quit the game and changed back to no beta
it then spazzed out for a while, then finally queued an update (380 mb large)
lone fractal
great buff for psyker today
the giga brain burst build is now super viable in heresy
daring nexus
The damage is really balanced for psyker now. other classes also need to rely on...
Idk if I agree since a vet can drop a ranger or flamer before even 1 BB can charge. I’m not saying psyker should be able to kill faster then vet but it would be nice to to have to wait almost 6 seconds to kill a single maniac on damnation
lone fractal
with 6 warp charges you have just enough damage to one shot all elites and specialists (not mauler and ogryns tho)
gaunt stone
Where are my surge staff warp flurry fixes 😢
lone fractal
baby steps 😦
ruby meadow
with 6 warp charges you have just enough damage to one shot all elites and speci...
It one shots the flak flamer now?
clear heath
no fucking way
did fatshark just do a balance patch without nerfing psyker?
i can't believe it
lone fractal
It one shots the flak flamer now?
yes, i tested it
the dog and the flak flamer were the ones i was curious if i was going to one shot, and now you can
ruby meadow
That's excellent news honestly. The psyker love is giga
daring nexus
with 6 warp charges you have just enough damage to one shot all elites and speci...
Not on damnation
clear heath
there's gotta be some hidden nerf somewhere they forgot to document
some vfx that blinds us or something
lone fractal
HERESY DUDE
still hearth
no fucking way
did fatshark just do a balance patch without nerfing psyker?
Not just. They were buffed.
gaunt stone
no fucking way
did fatshark just do a balance patch without nerfing psyker?
I think it was a fake April fools patch
ruby meadow
Ah I missed the Heresy part, I'll go back to crying
daring nexus
HERESY DUDE
Not worth discussing heresy
lone fractal
look at this duud
ruby meadow
A very small portion of us play damnation. Talking Malice and even Heresy is like 10 times more relevant than Damnation to be fair
Even though I'll be a sad psyklord still
lone fractal
There's no one shotting anything in damnation for psyker. It's how things are. Damnation is not something Ill try to do with randoms often too
daring nexus
It’s really not much harder than heresy
lone fractal
Heresy is the sweet spot for challenging but not unbearable
It's the HP of monsters the problem
This is why the buff is more interesting for me. It does nothing for damnation but its a big plus for heresy
daring nexus
The breakpoints are different but enemy density feels more or less the same
lone fractal
I also don't your gatekeeping attitude
"not worth discussing anything that isn't damnation" my ass
Fuck off
gleaming comet
There's no one shotting anything in damnation for psyker. It's how things are. D...
You still one-shot Trappers/Bombers/Snipers with BB on Damnation, no?
long wharf
yes
gleaming comet
And like, those are the main threats you'd want to BB in the first place
long wharf
yeah
gleaming comet
Not to mention the new breakpoint for Bulwarks
clear heath
yeah ranged non-ogryn non-flamer enemies still die from BB
long wharf
more importantly, lacerator is now a useful party damage buff at 25%
gleaming comet
^
long wharf
BB's biggest issue is still 6s windup to kill something
forest coral
Bb buffs!
gleaming comet
I won't use it because I don't play the filthy freaks 
long wharf
I'll use laceration with surge
forest coral
And not losing all charges at once?
long wharf
yep, new surge feat setup is 323133
fossil snow
seems like the funny psyker update incompatible with the experimental
forest coral
Ooh, warp battery going to be worth it
fossil snow
great
clear heath
wait... does the stagger buff actually matter for anything?
long wharf
warp battery is now BiS
fossil snow
I missed playing fps roulette
maiden wolf
Does anyone know what warp charge cost means?
clear heath
like what does it stagger now that it didn't before?
forest coral
Bb staggered except monstrosities anything already so I’m unsure what that brings to the table
sweet drift
wait... does the stagger buff actually matter for anything?
Different levels of stagger
forest coral
Keen to test this out later 
lethal folio
It's just the power number for both damage and impact increased
It doesn't matter.
Increasing stagger power over the threshold will increase the duration of staggers and how far the guy m9ves if it's a knockback
primal sonnet
What perk should I reroll on this Purgatus?
pine relic
Idk if I agree since a vet can drop a ranger or flamer before even 1 BB can char...
It's a long range auto-lock single attack that can deal 1000+ damage and no ammo consumption, I think this is the best we can get.
long wharf
What perk should I reroll on this Purgatus?
infested to crit chance
but that's a bad burn stat, maybe save the mats for now
pine relic
Even I can say If Psyker with base stats can one-shot a rager at Damnation that's broken.
long wharf
wait until crafting gets added to the game
summer prairie
It's one stack off max, doesn't matter much
Long BB charge time bothers me less due to the warp charge duration changes
forest coral
Kinetic barrage playstyle eating extra good after this patch
clear heath
is anyone gonna try to play with no warp charge generation feats now that they're easier to maintain?
I mean without AB/Communion/Flayer
forest coral
Flayer im probably giving up for battery
I suppose if I don’t use essence harvest then probably wouldn’t use communion either
summer prairie
Without AB I would go for aura and possibly battery if that lets you hit some weapon breakpoints
forest coral
I’m curious to test max battery with a 80% damage trauma
clear heath
I run aura already and i'm considering dropping flayer for battery
but it might be annoying relying on BB for charges in longer fights
maiden wolf
I was trying to think of changes that could be made to make Gunker more viable. What if Kinetic flayer had no cooldown, but instead had a proc chance that increases with each weakspot hit? And Wrack and Ruin applied more stacks, and could proc on any enemy type?
forest coral
I never liked flayer too much since it’s such a coin flip skill but until this patch it was the best we had since it had minor synergy that wasn’t cucked by bad design
daring nexus
Even I can say If Psyker with base stats can one-shot a rager at Damnation that'...
I wouldn’t say it broken it’s just a QOL idea. When a flamer is griefing your team and you have to double BB them it feels really bad
wet belfry
I doubt psyker brainbursting rager with one brainburst would be busted.
Veteran basically one shots a rager with a kantarael 12 if they aim for the head and volley fire is up.
maiden wolf
Yeah, its easy to forget that one-shotting certain enemies isn't such a big deal for the other classes.
frigid burrow
Jeeze finally read the patch notes warp charges actually degrading one at a time
maiden wolf
I was trying to think of changes that could be made to make Gunker more viable. ...
Imagine being able to apply soulblaze to a horde as you mag-dump.
I'm most excited for the stam curio buff. Can't wait to run it with the Saber
hot zephyr
I was trying to think of changes that could be made to make Gunker more viable. ...
The cerebral laceration and warp siphon duration/damage buff we just got via the patch is a really solid Gunker buff.
If they changed Wrack and Ruin to so that it applied 1 or 2 stacks of Soulblaze on Weakspot Hit that would be fantastic, would allow gunker to burn down bosses or elites with sustained weakspot hits. Reward being precise with your weapon.
Finally, if they changed Kinetic Shield back to Warp Charge based damage reduction, combined with the above, I'd probably be in Gunker Heaven.
maiden wolf
The cerebral laceration and warp siphon duration/damage buff we just got via the...
Yeah, I'd like to see a more crowd-control oriented gunker build. I hope they make that a possibility in the future.
still hearth
my +3 stam curios finally useful
For some reason the UI seems to be bugged and +3 only shows +2
But I'm pretty sure it gives you 3 stamina
It just doesn't show it
clear heath
wtf
still hearth
It works in Psykarnum but in game it shows 4 bars not 5, but from the amount of stamina I spent on things it seemed to be 5 stamina not 4
From 1 + 1 Duelling Sword + 3 curio
hot zephyr
Yeah, when I ran Gunker recently (I haven't played in a couple weeks through) I was running Recon 6 Lasgun with +%dmg to infested and unarmoured, and then Chainsword with + dmg to Flak and Maniacs, and ran as 321112 feats, and had a lot of fun (and success) on Heresy/Damn. But I was pretty limited in the damage I could do to things like BoN or Assassination targets. Hence why I suggested the above.
I think those changes would allow lots of weapons to be viable (semis, bursts, and full auto) while not unbalancing the whole class
oblique hemlock
Gunker sounds like a slur
long wharf
it is
hot zephyr
That build is pretty much dedicated horde clearance. You can achieve the same thing running a Purge staff and it's much easier. But I'm honestly bored of purge/surge gameplay loops, they are fun the first run or two of the day, but then it just get repetitive. Gunker gives you engaging gameplay, you're always switching weapons, making decisions, managing ammo and peril, etc etc. It's not good meta-wise, but it is highly engaging
hot zephyr
MG12, Agrippa Mk1 or MkVIII, Recon VId are all excellent Gunker choices I've found work well, depending on mission and group comp
But you are strictly better to bring Surge or Purgatus
still hearth
I haven't tried a good Recon one
hot zephyr
Some groups just can't get over "omg a gunker play vet you noob, psyker is for staff play"
pine relic
I wouldn’t say it broken it’s just a QOL idea. When a flamer is griefing your te...
Veteran need to make skill shots and with weapon stats and perk against maniac then he can one shot ragers and flamers, do you see the difference?
clear heath
I tried recon gun psyker
It was pretty bad but it works
void mural
So happy for the warp charge fall off change! So it also sounds like between the BB buff and warp charge +1% dmg that we can use BB in difficulty 4 to reliably kill all specials except flamer and mutant?
clear heath
I think it's my go-to option now for when i want to troll but still win
still hearth
I mean a lot of meme builds are fine
But if you have 4x meme builds
The game gets pretty sweaty
Which I enjoy with my friends
But I see Revolver Psyker
hot zephyr
Yeah, if you want srs bzn Hersey HI or Damn runs, bring your purgatus or surge.
still hearth
And I know they'll probably not do much
Even though I run Revolver on Zealot unironically
hot zephyr
If you are just chill malicing or something, anything is viable
clear heath
tfw a dog jumps a teammate and someone pulls out the recon to get it off
0 stagger moment
pine relic
Also, if veteran is using laser gun, he can't deal with bulwarks and crushers. his weapon really decides which enemies he can focus on, BB has no such limit, it can deal high damage to any target.
hot zephyr
Yeah, like I've played lots of heresy and damn runs as a Gunker, but your team will 100% blame you for failure if you wipe, because 9/10 times if you wipe on that difficulty as Gunker, it was preventable if you had run a Purgatus.
Purgatus is just way too good given that it stunlocks basically everything and the stacks deal absolutely stupid amounts of damage
ornate hamlet
‘Warp Siphon’ charges will now fall off gradually
question, what is warp siphon
hot zephyr
> ‘Warp Siphon’ charges will now fall off gradually
question, what is warp sipho...
Warp Siphon is the ability which gives you a Warp Charge when you kill an enemy with a Brain Burst attack
clear heath
Are there any BB breakpoints we get from going 6 warp charges instead of 4?
ornate hamlet
I don't follow
so what does it mean when warp siphon charges now fall off gradually?
void mural
What does this mean?
"Fixed an issue where ‘Warp Charge’ cost would incorrectly increase when using ‘Brain Burst’."
clear heath
they fall off 1 by 1 instead of all at once
clear heath
warp charges
hot zephyr
so what does it mean when warp siphon charges now fall off gradually?
Before, there was a 25s timer, if that timer expired, you lost all of your warp charges.
Now, if the 25s timer expires, and you have 4 warp charges you go to 3, and the 25s timer resets
clear heath
warp charges come from the passive "warp siphon"
so calling them warp siphon charges isn't wrong
ornate hamlet
What does this mean?
"Fixed an issue where ‘Warp Charge’ cost would incorrectly ...
I assume this one is an actual mistake and they mean warp cost though
void mural
You mean perils?
long wharf
quite
ornate hamlet
yeah peril is what I meant
long wharf
yep, it's not called "peril" in the code
clear heath
oh maulers die in 2 BB now regardless of warp charges
nice
doing 2 BB on a mauler and having it stay alive was annoying
void mural
Oh, so they fixed BB costing too much peril?
pine relic
Are there any BB breakpoints we get from going 6 warp charges instead of 4?
6 can one shot dogs, two shot mutie and reapers at Heresy
ornate hamlet
yeah thats what the patchnotes say atleast, altho I wasn't aware of it ever costing too much to begin with
grizzled jasper
tfw a dog jumps a teammate and someone pulls out the recon to get it off
nothing beats when a hound dog on you and the vet bolter stands there waiting on his reload animation
clear heath
6 can one shot dogs, two shot mutie and reapers at Heresy
oh sorry, i meant in damnation
grizzled jasper
pine relic
oh sorry, i meant in damnation
Probably not then
hot zephyr
oh sorry, i meant in damnation
Someone eariler said it changes basically nothing except you can 2-shot BB reapers and bulwarks on damn if you have 4 charges.
summer prairie
Might need 5 stacks for poxburster
void mural
nothing beats when a hound dog on you and the vet bolter stands there waiting on...
Kinda unrelated to psyker, but I actually managed to dodge a dog leap yesterday. Was there any changes to dogs before now, or was that just luck?
hot zephyr
Kinda unrelated to psyker, but I actually managed to dodge a dog leap yesterday....
Probably luck/lag/skill/etc
grizzled jasper
Kinda unrelated to psyker, but I actually managed to dodge a dog leap yesterday....
server being not dodo for a momment
void mural
Ok, kinda figured
clear heath
Someone eariler said it changes basically nothing except you can 2-shot BB reape...
damn, that's unfortunate
void mural
Because they still really need to be dodgable
clear heath
yeah it doesn't seem to be changing any breakpoints from my testing either
grizzled jasper
same goes with push
sometimes server does not reg the push when it shows it clearly
void mural
For real! Pushing a gutter runner off was the best feeling in vermintide!
That needs to be a thing in darktide
broken quail
Oh boy, new patch
hot zephyr
damn, that's unfortunate
Yeah, I'm going to some testing myself to confirm, but I'm mostly caring about how viable Cerebral Laceration is going to be now with a KB build.
clear heath
oh maybe lacerations with 6 charges creates some new breakpoints
hot zephyr
Because I think Quietitude + Passive Quell and CL + KB + WB could be really dangerous
pine relic
So Cerebral laceration works for the whole team?
hot zephyr
Always did
summer prairie
Still no point running lacerations, the other feats are too useful. Even if you hit new breakpoints, that's very situational utility at best
It's still basically just a monster damage buff
safe crystal
Someone eariler said it changes basically nothing except you can 2-shot BB reape...
It was me, but it doesnt change reaper breakpoint of requiring 3 BBs, even with lacerations and 6 charges. Bulwarks die to 2 BB on 4 charges on damnation now,though
clear heath
oh maybe lacerations with 6 charges creates some new breakpoints
fuck, still takes more than 2 bb
are you serious?
half turtle
are there any actual damnation bps that new bb gets? crushers in 3 instead of 4 with 0 charges i guess?
oh bulwarks
that's nice
clear heath
maulers in 2 BB
pine relic
fuck, still takes more than 2 bb
I mean, after you finish two BB he is usually not full health
half turtle
maulers in 2 BB
even without stacks?
still hearth
+25% damage to your whole team is huge imo but I agree its not BiS but its competitive
half turtle
anyways warp charge falloff change, sweet
still hearth
4% is basically useless in my eyes now
summer prairie
+25% damage to one target to your whole team basically only matters vs bosses
pine relic
+25% damage to your whole team is huge imo but I agree its not BiS but its compe...
Indeed, that alone generate much more value than any feats
summer prairie
Only if that +25% helps with breakpoints. Depends on what they are using
in most situations it does nothing
still hearth
That's a very broad
hot zephyr
CL really only helps with BoN, Ogryns, and Assassination Bosses tbh
still hearth
And excessive statement
hot zephyr
Anything with a health bar basically
still hearth
Unless they have a weapon that does only big damage
summer prairie
I don't think so, if multiple people are already attacking those targets and you BBed it
pine relic
Why are you guys so obsessed with damnation, most players don't play that difficulty
summer prairie
it's going to die very quickly anyway
clear heath
Bosses, Crushers, Bulwarks, Reapers, mutants, dogs, ragers
I think dogs generally die from whatever hits it next if you bb them anyways
ragers are usually low hp after the BB, at least now because of the buffs to bb and warp charges
It's helpful for the rest yeah
still hearth
Why are you guys so obsessed with damnation, most players don't play that diffic...
Because other difficulties don't require any kind of optimization
half turtle
Why are you guys so obsessed with damnation, most players don't play that diffic...
well it's what i play mostly so of course it's what i care about
why would i care about balance changes for difficulties i don't play
safe crystal
I mean, it WOULD help conserve ammo whenever vets shoot at ogryn type enemies, but they're mag dumping their entire clip into that ogryn no matter what, even if it died after 3 shots
clear heath
Why are you guys so obsessed with damnation, most players don't play that diffic...
because we play it
summer prairie
Also yeah pretty sure you need 5 stacks to hit the poxburster one-shot
clear heath
I wish we could test bursters in psykanium
I actually have no idea how much hp they have
hot zephyr
That 3rd tier feat is basically:
PC - You want to kill hordes
PA - You want to kill elites
CL - You want to crush bosses
summer prairie
1400
clear heath
They're infested right?
half turtle
it's 1050 on heresy apparently so that's a bp, woo 🎉
summer prairie
wait it's not an elite
hot zephyr
Yeah, burster is a specialist, not an elite
summer prairie
nevermind, you can't oneshot it
west stream
I feel like kinetic overload is so close to being great with ascending blaze
summer prairie
1364 with 6 stacks
long wharf
I feel like kinetic overload is so close to being great with ascending blaze
it kind of isn't yet
clear heath
I feel like kinetic overload is so close to being great with ascending blaze
I feel like kinetic overload is relatively a worse pick now that 6 charges feat is stronger now
pine relic
Then you guys go find a axe with the blessing that raise your power level based on stamina.
fossil snow
I like how it took like what 3 good buffs to fill the lobby with hooded weirdos
clear heath
actually got screwed just for being in the same column
half turtle
hm would people say 6 charges > flayer now, because of the falloff change and new bb bps
hot zephyr
KO and AB are kinda awful paired together is the problem. KO wants you to always have max stacks during engagements, AB wants to dump stacks to deal damage
fossil snow
actually got screwed just for being in the same column
psyker feats in a nutshell
west stream
AB generates a ton of charges from fire tho
long wharf
the only way KO becomes viable is if soulblaze damage at the first few stacks is increased noticeably
west stream
it's the easiest way to spam self renewing fire
clear heath
hm would people say 6 charges > flayer now, because of the falloff change and ne...
I actually can't find new BB breakpoints in damnation from taking 6 charges instead of 4 though
summer prairie
if you don't run 6-2, whether 6 charges is worthwhile depends on your weapon mostly
long wharf
and doesn't rely on the psyker being at max charges
still hearth
KO is basically helping to kill elites and bosses in hordes faster
half turtle
if you don't run 6-2, whether 6 charges is worthwhile depends on your weapon mos...
what's 6-2?
summer prairie
AB
long wharf
AB
still hearth
Is it better than 6 stacks? Eh.
safe crystal
I actually can't find new BB breakpoints in damnation from taking 6 charges inst...
There arent any, you gain the new breakpoints at 4 charges already
half turtle
i was confused because there isn't a level 6 talent lol
hot zephyr
AB generates a ton of charges from fire tho
Less than you think in a good group tho. you need to land the killing blow with soulblaze and then it's 10%. Often that won't happen unless you are just burning down hordes with a purgatus
clear heath
I'm just gonna try taking 6 charges without any charge generation and see how often i stay at 4+ charges without changing my playstyle at all
ocean cipher
is it possible to get armor you have unlocked in different colors
long wharf
Less than you think in a good group tho. you need to land the killing blow with ...
incorrect
ocean cipher
like is that what the cosmetic in the exchange is for
long wharf
as long as an enemy dies with soulblaze from any source on it, all psykers with AB will get a proc
ocean cipher
cuz a friend has some really cool armor from the exchange, but when i look in the exchange its all recolors of my gear
hot zephyr
as long as an enemy dies with soulblaze *from any source* on it, *all* psykers w...
Enemies killed by your Soulblaze effects (from any source) have a 10% chance to grant a warp charge
They have to die from the soulblaze tick itself is how I'm reading that. We all know the text is wrong because 'your' and 'any source' contradict, but it's pretty clearly worded the killing blow has to be the SB tick
long wharf
yes, that is what the wording says. it is wrong.
safe crystal
cuz a friend has some *really cool* armor from the exchange, but when i look in ...
Afaik, you can get re-colours of the unlocked cosmetics from the armoury exchange, up to the malice unlocks. Havent seen the heresy penance armour in there. If its something other than those, its from the premium shop
long wharf
been tested numerous times
ocean cipher
what is soul blaze
hot zephyr
Ah, well. I stand corrected good sir.
long wharf
never assume the wording is accurate in Darktide
the only safe assumption is that the wording is likely wrong
testing must always be done
safe crystal
Soul blaze = the blue psyker fire
ocean cipher
oh like the purgatus?
celest hedge
I think purge damage is counted as soul blaze damage
ocean cipher
also are voidstrikes any good? i kinda like my surge for the stunlock potential but i wanna try the other staffs
hot zephyr
I think purge damage is counted as soul blaze damage
Yes, as far as I know both the LMB and RMB effects of the Purgatus classify as soulblaze
celest hedge
I don’t use voidstrike but I think it’s does a good job
river sand
void is pretty much the weakest now, but still does its job
ocean cipher
wait does purgatis have a different m1
safe crystal
Voidstrike is really good up to malice, then starts falling off
ocean cipher
from the others
celest hedge
Isn’t trauma still next to worthless
hot zephyr
Isn’t trauma still next to worthless
They fixed the peril cost in a previous patch, it's less bad now by my understanding, but I haven't actually tested it myself
celest hedge
Trauma is pretty much a worst veteran nade
hot zephyr
Yeah, it's definitely not good by any means
leaden thunder
you have far more over a short period then the nades
hot zephyr
But it's at least not a dumpster fire
celest hedge
You have the boosted quell speed at least which makes it worth using for BB, and the basic staff M1 is pretty nice, though granted I haven’t ran a non purge staff in any of my level 4 runs so maybe it falls off
hot zephyr
I like to say that they improved the Trauma staff enough that it inflicts Trauma on the enemy instead of your teammates now
Makes it sound better than it actually is, but it's the best thing you can say about it
daring nexus
Veteran need to make skill shots and with weapon stats and perk against maniac t...
It’s about Time to kill not number of shots. A vet with no perks or blessings can squeeze out enough shot in the time it’s would take to cast on BB to kill a rager twice over
summer prairie
Maybe it can hit some elite damage breakpoints now that it can reliably get +24% from warp stacks and doesn't need +infested
pine relic
It’s about Time to kill not number of shots. A vet with no perks or blessings ca...
Psyker is not Vet.
leaden thunder
obviously psyker isn't vet
but
when your special ability
is pretty much just worse
then shooting the thing
that feels bad
still hearth
Grenades are
Pretty bad tbh
Other than knocking things around on Vet
250 damage
Isn't a lot
You don't even clear poxwalkers in Damnation with one grenade
leaden thunder
now, there are times when BB really useful, (ie stuff running out of line of sight or w/e)
daring nexus
Psyker is not Vet.
Your damn right it’s not, the gulf between them is massive for the reasons I’ve been saying
half turtle
psyker is way more fun than vet (to me) though
still hearth
Veteran is just bonkers strong tbh
half turtle
so it's got that going for it
pine relic
Then you should probably accept the fact they will never make every class deal high damage.
still hearth
Then you should probably accept the fact they will never make every class deal h...
I'd just want every class to feel equal.
pine relic
It's clear that Psyker is a support, you are not professor X in darktide
leaden thunder
^
still hearth
If that means the Ogryn has 2k HP
And can tank a DH
Then that's fine
But the Veteran feels like an S tier
With everyone else being A-B tier
still hearth
Like if you play the optimal build for every class
leaden thunder
it's not like they are just dealing damage
vagrant furnace
veteran is not S tier that's a lie
still hearth
I think they're all on pretty even ground.
half turtle
yeah but can they make sparkly blue space magic?
vagrant furnace
not in damnation
pine relic
I played a lot veteran, people think too highly of veterans.
half turtle
vet ammo and grenade team regen is also pretty good
still hearth
But they can just skip that by shooting
vagrant furnace
when the field is crowded veteran is ass without bolter
still hearth
leaden thunder
grenade regen, ammo regen, picking out threats, restoring toughness to allies just by doing their job
still hearth
Crowded with what?
still hearth
So you press F
leaden thunder
cap
still hearth
And regen 125%
pine relic
a single bulwark can chase veteran away lol
vagrant furnace
only
still hearth
Most of the guns
Lmao Bolter
Aside from Bulwarks
And Crushers
Any gun can just
Kill things
still hearth
You can run Laspistol and still kill elites
vagrant furnace
that's the end of the discussion i guess
vagrant furnace
sure you know better
leaden thunder
also the power sword still exists
still hearth
Yeah I've never played Veteran
leaden thunder
and still eats things
still hearth
And just killed
20 elites
In a row
Without dropping ult
That's true
But I guess discussion is over so
I won
GG
scarlet timber
for dueling sword
what blessing you guys run?
i got shred
what secondary i need it/
leaden thunder
lemme take a look see
scarlet timber
i got the mkv one btw since i like the moveset more personally
leaden thunder
rampage or maybe uncanny strike
probably rampage
precognition and riposte both seem shit
still hearth
Rampage is the saddest
But its probably the only damage boost you can get
Duelling Sword is just
Bad
scarlet timber
rampage or maybe uncanny strike
so shred and rampage???
leaden thunder
depends on how much the rending can help it
still hearth
Rending does well vs Carapace if you roll T4, but Duelling Sword does kinda bad base damage I think
leaden thunder
so shred and ramapage it is then
still hearth
Seems to be the best yeah
still hearth
The same person that made All or Nothing
leaden thunder
fair
pine relic
Do you actually use the dueling sword to fight Crusher instead of using BB
clear heath
lol
still hearth
So the Duelling Sword on Crusher is
Bad even with Uncanny
It only does 195 damage with max rolls
And weakspots
278 with strikedown
Which is
Pitiful
Even with its decent attack speed
shadow wigeon
Do you actually use the dueling sword to fight Crusher instead of using BB
only when im assissting another melee and kind of only for fun if there's nothing else to do.....
pine relic
I only use it to kill maniacs.
shadow wigeon
Finally switched back to MK5 after trying other weaps and man it just wrecks...
still hearth
Duelling Sword is basically decent horde clear, decent vs ragers and maulers but kinda bad against everything else it seems.
You'd do better with Knife if you want to kill things
pine relic
only when im assissting another melee and kind of only for fun if there's nothin...
Pretend you were helping him.
still hearth
only when im assissting another melee and kind of only for fun if there's nothin...
Assisting another melee?
shadow wigeon
Sometimes you can save them a swing and feel like you did something
still hearth
Well it is decent regardless but its just not as good as optimized things
fossil snow
is cerebral worth anything but monstrosites?
still hearth
Not a lot
pine relic
For example, help the veteran who is chased by the bulwark.
idle bay
Finally finished with Vet's weekly missions. Holy Emperor on Terra that was not a micro buff - i misread the notes. Keeping up charges is child's play now 🙂
fossil snow
is cerebral worth anything but monstrosites?
anytime I want to use it my brain just goes '' but burst it again though''
still hearth
You get the damage on your BB so
If you double BB at 6 stacks it leaves Crushers at 40 HP
fossil snow
I thought it was non warp damage
still hearth
BB isn't warp damage
idle bay
Also i need to test 13 Stamina + 65%Block Efficiency Deflctor on Kinetic Block
fierce sinew
reasons
fossil snow
wut
still hearth
Yeah
fossil snow
its litterally all warp
fierce sinew
it's hilarious if they buffed the damage and didn't fix that though
fossil snow
its more warp than the staffs
still hearth
it's hilarious if they buffed the damage and didn't fix that though
you mean "that they did that"
stuck bridge
hurray a 1% damage increase
pine relic
Also i need to test 13 Stamina + 65%Block Efficiency Deflctor on Kinetic Block
Then your team picks two grims, your health bar turns purple.
idle bay
Then your team picks two grims, your health bar turns purple.
I know it's "Balls to the wall" build. No mistakes or you are dead 🙂
summer prairie
More like 24% increase because previously you didn't have the stacks
pine relic
Does anybody stack grim resistance? I want to try it
stuck bridge
imo it's still more about time to kill than a damage increase
void mural
it's hilarious if they buffed the damage and didn't fix that though
Umm, acktully you just burst their brain, so it's physical damage!
Yeah, it's dumb
pine relic
Umm, acktully you just burst their brain, so it's physical damage!
Yeah, it's d...
It is weak point damage though.
stuck bridge
yes it lowers it, a stacking value that increases dmg, but still the channel time vs a vet is nuts
still hearth
Does anybody stack grim resistance? I want to try it
I think someone did the math and its like 60% resistance total if you have grim and corruption resistance
idle bay
If only Stamina Regeneration on Curios were a LOT more impactful, like 20% on t4....
west stream
Yup it's 13 stamina bars in Meat Grinder... 🙂
lift with your legs? Lift with your mind more like
summer prairie
It's just a backup ranged attack, the staff is the main one
summer prairie
Right
idle bay
If only Stamina Regeneration on Curios were a LOT more impactful, like 20% on t4....
Then it would be possible to tank ranged with just Stamina without Kinetic Deflection 🙂
void mural
It is weak point damage though.
I mean, it does hit their head, but who cares? You can't do anything with that, it always just does the same damage outside of warp charge/CL
I'm curious though, does CL hit any breakpoints on second BB?
summer prairie
13 stamina is basically 52 with peril block
idle bay
Also take 65% Block efficiency into equasion
still hearth
I think it stacks multiplicatively in a bad way?
idle bay
I wonder how Stamina Regenaration works?
summer prairie
It's not based on your max stamina
still hearth
idle bay
It's not based on your max stamina
I wish it was 🙂
still hearth
Yeah all stamina regen is static based on your class
And stamina regen curio just increases that number
idle bay
Psyker have x2 Stamina regen
pine relic
Ok, I want to discuss the veteran balance issue again.
still hearth
Psyker only regens 1 per second
idle bay
What Balance? Balance is a heretical word in Darktide
still hearth
But they start regenerating faster
Zealot regen 1.5 per second
Didn't you hear Veteran is useless on Damnation without Bolter?
idle bay
Psyker only regens 1 per second
Wait.. so that datamind x2 was wrong or was understood wrong?
vagrant furnace
pushing the narrative
leaden thunder
or joking
still hearth
Lemme just
Sure you didn't say its ass overall but this is basically 90% of Darktide lmao
vagrant furnace
so?
pine relic
..nvm
vagrant furnace
is it always crowded?
pine relic
let's talk about something else actually
still hearth
Lets talk about the Knife
vagrant furnace
dude why do you act like a darktide god?
idle bay
Veteran is ass without player skill. If you can't kill 4 shooters in 1 sec - you suck
valid lake
axe better then knife
still hearth
Because you're making interesting claims
And I enjoy seeing you spin a narrative
That doesn't match my experience in game at all
Neither playing or seeing other Veterans
vagrant furnace
im not pushing any narritve there
you saying veteran is S
ok
what your point
zinc phoenix
I gotta say I don’t see the point of bolter on vet
vagrant furnace
it can delete anyhting with any gun
pine relic
Veteran is ass without player skill. If you can't kill 4 shooters in 1 sec - you...
And he heavily relies on good weapons too. Psyker can use green weapons and deal the same damages.
brittle crest
i like to RP vet by being downed on my Psyker by 3 poxwalkers
still hearth
Yeah
vagrant furnace
S tier
zinc phoenix
i like to RP vet by being downed on my Psyker by 3 poxwalkers
Surely you mean shooting the poxwalker right before someone can push it to yeet them off a cliff
valid lake
And he heavily relies on good weapons too. Psyker can use green weapons and deal...
good weapons you only needs like 2 lasgun 12 and powersword
still hearth
Veteran relies on having a decent base roll on a ranged gun
And then you shoot things
And win
zinc phoenix
Uh
still hearth
You don't even need good blessings to do great
zinc phoenix
Uh
leaden thunder
true
zinc phoenix
I honestly think the camo skill on vet is pretty busted
still hearth
Camo is actually bad
leaden thunder
it's both busted and cringe
zinc phoenix
But I do think they take some skill
spark parcel
I think the 75% toughness reduction with 200 toughness pool during F is definitely the way to go, at least for me
zinc phoenix
It just makes your allies get hit instead
You’re a vet so that’s a perk 😂
Imagine thinking vet cares about other players taking damage
pine relic
good weapons you only needs like 2 lasgun 12 and powersword
That's the thing, if you are using a laser gun you can't deal with carapace enemies, Psyker has no such limit.
scenic gale
why are all these vets talking vet stuff in the psyker channel?
valid lake
1 enemy that is entirely carapace
and your team should be dealing with that one while your killing all 600 gunners and hobos with aks
leaden thunder
also, hellbore(mk3 at least), plasma gun, bolter all kill carapce
leaden thunder
why are all these vets talking vet stuff in the psyker channel?
saying psyker needs more buffs
basically
spark parcel
does the 10% brain burst buff hit any new breakpoints on Heresy +?
long wharf
why are all these vets talking vet stuff in the psyker channel?
because even they are getting tired of the nonsense in #veteran-class and come here seeking sensible conversation
fossil snow
they come to
psyker chat
to avoid the frothing at the mouth rabid fury
interesting
scenic gale
wait is the venn diagram of angry people and vet players a near circle?
scenic gale
ahhhh
pine relic
It's very unlikely they will buff Psyker's damage directly again.
valid lake
i asked why vet chats was just memes/ general chat and there answer was vet was solved day 2 we have no reason to chat about changes or anything
pine relic
We might get some blessings though.
leaden thunder
psyker needs a lot of talents reworks or changed in position
crimson shell
anyone else notice quicken and the blaze t30 perks are not taking warp charges?
idk if its different in game but in the psykarium...
crimson shell
ah mk
idle bay
I need one volunteer to test 13 stamina with Kinetic Deflection and Deflector.
leaden thunder
if they want it to be the "support" (note this game doesn't have traditional supports)
still hearth
If you reload Psykarnum it goes back to normal
leaden thunder
then sure
feral topaz
@idle bay I started doing psyker penances, any advice on the knock 7 off cliffs/pick and mix/kamikaze one?
leaden thunder
but rn, vet supports only a little less(or more in some cases) and does a lot of damage
idle bay
<@189647817147416576> I started doing psyker penances, any advice on the knock 7...
Chasm Logistratum at the start
still hearth
Veteran is the only class
That can give other players Toughness regularly
Not that anyone runs that feat
leaden thunder
I was workshopping a shotgun build with it
still hearth
The closest is Zealot that can give 20% to allies when they charge but that's very limited.
leaden thunder
but shotguns are kinda ass
idle bay
<@189647817147416576> I started doing psyker penances, any advice on the knock 7...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cU_jq3IAis for cliffhanger. Worked when it was kick 20 off the cliff
So 7 is auto-complete
pine relic
It's not kinda, it's just hot garbage.
leaden thunder
that's why Ihave been using the new and improved kickback
leaden thunder
finally have a good shotgun
still hearth
Next Week™️
feral topaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cU_jq3IAis for cliffhanger. Worked when it was ...
damn, I didnt remember that was a cliff, ok, noted.
valid lake
<@189647817147416576> I started doing psyker penances, any advice on the knock 7...
i did it on the destroy incubation chambers map there's enemy spawn doors right beside a walk way with no rails made its easy
idle bay
@feral topaz as for Pick and mix - i don't even want to try it. Though there is a theoretical easy spot. Chasm Terminus right at the start - there a huge area with chance for a lot of elites. One victim drops down and triggers all - you stay above and just wait to 5-6 of them to come close them you start BBing.
pine relic
FS just needs to add some special blessing to boost Psyker's ability then Psyker players might finally be able to rest in peace.
leaden thunder
i'd rather have talents reworked
valid lake
<@181159646218682370> as for Pick and mix - i don't even want to try it. Though...
pick in mix map is comssplex the one room after the event spans like 5 gunners
stuck bridge
kinda wish we saw more changes to a staff or 2 with talent changes/fixes more than bb changes tbh
pine relic
The crafting system has not been completed yet you want a class rework?
idle bay
pick in mix map is comssplex the one room after the event spans like 5 gunners
All is that really needed is a team that know when not to kill elites with a voice chat.
leaden thunder
but 100% psyker staves need better blessings
still hearth
The crafting system has not been completed yet you want a class rework?
Yes
The classes aren't done
They're literally reworking them as we play
idle bay
I just don;t want to bother people into helping with a stupidly designed penannces 🙂
spark parcel
Are there any viable alternatives to the 4% chance to get a warp charge when an ally kills an enemy in coherency talent?
stuck bridge
The crafting system has not been completed yet you want a class rework?
absolutely
leaden thunder
ye
feral topaz
<@181159646218682370> as for Pick and mix - i don't even want to try it. Though...
Hmmm, that, I did not consider, Ill try it, or comms plex whichever comes first
feral topaz
i did it on the destroy incubation chambers map there's enemy spawn doors right ...
Which map is that?
idle bay
It was enough for me to doe Going out with a Bang while helping 9 other Psykers to get as well
valid lake
I just don;t want to bother people into helping with a stupidly designed penannc...
cries in heavyweight champion that peance is ass
still hearth
Are there any viable alternatives to the 4% chance to get a warp charge when an ...
All of them are okay now. 15% CDR is my pick.
25% damage on bosses is kinda big though.
idle bay
cries in heavyweight champion that peance is ass
I feel you. I WANT it on my Ogryn
valid lake
Which map is that?
throneside / Commplex
spark parcel
All of them are okay now. 15% CDR is my pick.
oooh ty, I'll have to play with my build now
still hearth
15% CDR is super with Kinetic Barrage too
If you have elites
You can pop them and have your ult back
feral topaz
throneside / Commplex
hmmm, I dont remember the spawn point you describe, but I believe you.
idle bay
Hmmm, that, I did not consider, Ill try it, or comms plex whichever comes first
Confinment Yard (with a train at the end) - final area - there will be enough elites in there
fierce sinew
that's like the only tier with 3 serious options lol
still hearth
And it helps your team-mates if they don't have their ult up
But aside from Zealots with double ult that's unlikely
feral topaz
Confinment Yard (with a train at the end) - final area - there will be enough el...
....Right, that also works
leaden thunder
just chain ult as ogryn with it
if they have the perk that does the same thing but only for them
still hearth
Ogryn with -10% CD and Psyker
Getting 25% CDR each time the Psyker pops a big guy's head
Time to run fast
Their ult is actually super nice too
25% attack speed and 25% damage
clear heath
Most ogryn's i've seen generally hold on to their F tho
it's usually just psykers and zealots that appreciate the cdr
feral topaz
@idle bay Alright, I wrote it all down, Ill get to it starting tommorow
Thanks for the tips
leaden thunder
if they realize they are getting it back a lot
they may start spamming it more
that attack speed is kinda cracked with ogryn's melees
clear heath
I've never seen an ogryn just spam charge
still hearth
I love it on Veteran but uh
idle bay
Any volunteers for 13 Stamina Deflector with Kinetic Deflection fast testing? Should not take longer than 10 minutes.
pine relic
I'm surprised that Ogryn got nerfed
still hearth
clear heath
It's fine anyways. I take it for myself, not because of the team utility
shadow wigeon
25% attack speed is big
leaden thunder
only 1 actual nerf for ogryn
still hearth
I'm surprised that Ogryn got nerfed
Its a buff overall
clear heath
the fact that it helps others is a just a bonus to me
leaden thunder
but it was a wierdass nerf
leaden thunder
yeah
still hearth
But Raging Bull was basically a pure buff
still hearth
Even if the number was reduced
valid lake
hmmm, I dont remember the spawn point you describe, but I believe you.
this one its also good forgoing out with a bang after restoring the power to the elevator it spawns a bunch of eiltes in the room you enter though
feral topaz
this one its also good forgoing out with a bang after restoring the power to the...
you mean, in the room next to the elevator with the big pair of doors?
the shotgun squad?
pine relic
Guys, it's ok, Psyker is still the prettiest class in the game
valid lake
.....ah shit
plasma gun bloowing up also counts for going out with a bang
leaden thunder
yep
still hearth
With Ogryn and Hard as Nails you can get 68% Toughness DR now and 60% HP DR which should be plenty to save your buddies anyway.
leaden thunder
that's how i got it
idle bay
@feral topaz for Bang - any map will do. All you need to get is 3 gunners or shotgunners and just bully them by pushing all 3 (or better 4) into a nice pile. Highly recommended to do it on LOW intensity maps - less chaff and specials to annoy your team.
feral topaz
plasma gun bloowing up also counts for going out with a bang
....I totally forgot about that detail.
......that seems way easier since that explosion does more dmg
leaden thunder
tactically blew myself up to kill 3 maulers
idle bay
@feral topaz Chasm Teminas - again one of the best map - since elites in numbers right at start
feral topaz
<@181159646218682370> Chasm Teminas - again one of the best map - since elites i...
Wrote that down, yes. I hear you.
still hearth
Its funny because max stacked Hard as Nails was basically not changed much at all
From 73% to 68% DR.
leaden thunder
the radius thing is wierd
still hearth
I think its just so people won't cheese it or something idk
leaden thunder
I guess it makes it more obvious that it doesn't work when people are dead
still hearth
Maybe people dropped off the edge to give the Ogryn DR
And had someone else save them
strange wigeon
tactically blew myself up to kill 3 maulers
they still didn't fix it?
leaden thunder
probably not
clear heath
From 73% to 68% DR.
Did the feat alone not have 75% dr before?
valid lake
Maybe people dropped off the edge to give the Ogryn DR
guys kys so i can tank with all this DR