the average gamer is just one clicking everything with a wallhack and 498576409774 ammo lasgun in malice let's be real
#psyker-class
fierce sinew
still hearth
They play Zealot and go "wow this class is immortal" with crit DR
And then go into Damnation and instantly die to the first disabler
idle bay
They play Zealot and go "wow this class is immortal" with crit DR
Just finished Zealots weekly (25 missions are mandatory choice for me). I'd say - if i play him on Heresy or lower - it's pretty relaxed experience. I mean - shooters no longer bother me that much, and it's a main source of stress on other classes.
Also Flamer is a great stress-relief weapon 🙂
shadow wigeon
does warp flurry work on purg?
leaden thunder
I'd assume so
shadow wigeon
I can't perceive a difference....
shadow wigeon
not really or no?
I tried measuring charge time and it seems unchanged, just doing blasts in a row
maiden wolf
Is this in any way comparable to the Antax? Or would it get stuck in targets even with Brutal momentum?
muted silo
Warp flurry in fact does work on most staffs, if you spam secondary attacks and watch the charge bar you can see it doesn’t begin at 0% charge after the first shot
idle bay
Jackpot!
shadow wigeon
Warp flurry in fact does work on most staffs, if you spam secondary attacks and ...
I just tried this on surge, purg and void and don't have that. BUT Surge always started at about "15%" mark, oddly enough. The other staves did not do that.
idle bay
I'd say it;s lucky hour.
x2 360+ on Vet , 380 on Psyker, x2 360+ on Zealot, 370 and 379 on Ogryn
At the same time!
Though all it took to to catch lucky hour in Store - it's to be sleepless past 3 am....
shadow wigeon
Warp Flurry had no effect on Surge charge time, chaining full charge secondaries in meat grinder.
Had no impact on Void charge time either.
rose lily
'the heeeell outta here ordo dickets
idle bay
And especially Ogryn things are quite useful (safe for shield - shield is a trap weapon .. not good weapon).
weary moss
would any of you buy a purg staff with bad base but t4 warp nexus from melk in case we can rip the blessings later?
weary moss
leaden thunder
like if you think melk will actually give you something good and you are strapped for melkbux then don't, but if you don't count on melk giving anything good(when you can buy it) then might as well pick it up
weary moss
what do you mean? melk already has it. i would just need to buy it.
leaden thunder
I mean like in the future
weary moss
just so i have a t4 warp nexus in the bank
shadow wigeon
Will you miss the milkbucks, he means.
weary moss
1 set of weeklies is usually almost 3k.
leaden thunder
I don't trust melk to have anything good when you can actually buy it
idle bay
And to add insult to injury in addition to 7 360+ items in store, Melk brough a decent Axe
shadow wigeon
That axe is just ok
weary moss
really need brutal momentum on those mkv's right?
lethal folio
Psyker can get away withoiut BM and spam push attacks.
idle bay
That axe is just ok
Its's in Melk store - that is highly unusual
fierce sinew
BM is definitely good but meme axe functions without it
shadow wigeon
Its's in Melk store - that is highly unusual
How so? I often see items like that there.
idle bay
Though it's on my vet and there is no real need to axe for a class with Power Sword...
idle bay
How so? I often see items like that there.
He is usual selling no higher than 330 base modifiers.
Though i saw 2 380 items from him
fierce sinew
normal melk offering is rare blessing stapled to unusable stats
weary moss
have 5.1k on my psyker. just gonna buy that t4 warp nexus. even if he has a god tier item tomorrow i can probably still buy it
fierce sinew
I'd snap purchase any warp nexus 4 I saw personally
shadow wigeon
He is usual selling no higher than 330 base modifiers.
That is not my experience at all. Very rare for him not to have something above 340-350. Something you WANT is different obviously...
idle bay
Melk purpose (theorthical) - is to sell item-donors for a Blessing Trasfer for future crafting system, since he selling unusable trash, but with t4 blessings.
Catching a super-rare Power Sword blessing that allows 6 charged hits - is task i'm currently in.
shadow wigeon
Does anyone know anything about how or when or IF Warp Flurry applies to purg/surge/void?
idle bay
Does anyone know anything about how or when or IF Warp Flurry applies to purg/su...
You probably have at least one staff with it?
Meat Grinder, video recording and checking timing at your disposal to be sure 🙂
shadow wigeon
You probably have at least one staff with it?
Meat Grinder, video recording and...
I did, it doesn't do anything on all 3, as far as I can tell.
chained back to back secondaries, no effect on cahrge time
idle bay
I did, it doesn't do anything on all 3, as far as I can tell.
If you have recording at hand - maybe Bug Report post will help ? 🙂
shadow wigeon
Sigh.
idle bay
I know i know we are beta-testers in early access game
long wharf
Warp Flurry on non-trauma seems to work within a very short time window
short enough that you only see one stack of effect regardless of how little charging you do
you can kind of see void charge faster with multiple stacks because it doesn't have a discharge/attack animation
shadow wigeon
That is pretty tragic, if that's how it's working
long wharf
sad as it is
that's why the patch notes specifically called out "fixing Warp Flurry for Trauma staff"
because it's functionally broken for all the staves
the devs just don't understand their codebase well enough
doesn't help that the entire game code outside of core engine is written in the most non-object oriented scripting language, Lua
rocky cedar
Easily the best thing Melk has offered my Psyker
And still just OK TBh
does DS V even hit 3 poxwalkers with its light attacks?
I presume so but not flak trash
Rending instead of Shred would have been nice but ah well
cyan notch
west stream
neat
rocky cedar
Nice
long wharf
shame about blazing spirit, hopefully you can slap Surge on it when crafting is completed
clear heath
hmm, after seeing the enemy damage numbers, I'm starting to think maybe 129-134 toughness and the rest into HP might be a good build to aim for
still hearth
clear heath
hmm, after seeing the enemy damage numbers, I'm starting to think maybe 129-134 ...
A lot of enemies (bruiser/stalker/groaner) do 64. At 129, you can tank 2 groaner hits and still have a toughness left to tank a ranged shot to trigger grace period
At just below 134.4, you can also tank most of the damage from 3 shooter shots and also trigger ranged grace period
long wharf
but yeah, I think all force staves should be able to roll blazing spirit
clear heath
and anecdotally i've always felt like 130 toughness feels noticeably better than 100
north cradle
It feels 30 better
still hearth
Just run more HP because guns don't hurt HP as much
clear heath
If i could ever get perfect curios, i'd probably run 1 toughness curio and have 3 toughness perks to just barely reach ~130, and the rest into hp
maiden wolf
maiden wolf
If i could ever get perfect curios, i'd probably run 1 toughness curio and have ...
Mine would be +wound, +Toughness, +Stamina with Block efficiency, Stam regen, and some other thing.
I'm really miffed that +stam curios are still bugged
clear heath
it's ok, maybe next week
maiden wolf
but yeah, I think all force staves should be able to roll blazing spirit
I'd really enjoy it on Surge.
Remember that stamina increases your block efficiency with Kin. Deflection
still hearth
Ye but why you blocking so much, sibling
clear heath
the staff with the crit bonus stat getting a blessing that actually synergizes with crit? nah fatshark would never
leaden thunder
playing mini shield ogryn
maiden wolf
I run the antax with surge staff actually.
But I do like me a good mini shield ogryn
still hearth
playing mini shield ogryn
Better*
maiden wolf
Do y'all have some balance change ideas you'd like to see?
still hearth
Lots
maiden wolf
I think wrack and ruin could be made viable if t applied 2-3 times as much soulblaze and worked on any enemy.
still hearth
The one that gives 10% toughness on warp kills should just be 10% on kill
maiden wolf
Are warp kills just Brain bursts?
maiden wolf
Oh? Staffs count? Damn, I had no idea
cyan notch
im ok with blazing spirit tbh its whatever
my old void had like 350 modifiers with t2 transfer peril and run n gun
maiden wolf
I really like the blessing, I really wish it procced more often oradded more stacks though.
still hearth
Peril to toughness should be a 1:1 ratio
maiden wolf
Peril to toughness should be a 1:1 ratio
Quietude is super good as it is, but I wouldn't complain.
cyan notch
1.5:1
still hearth
Essence Harvest is still better due to how ranged damage works sadly.
As long as you maintain stacks
still hearth
But I prefer Quietitude for its reliability
maiden wolf
I find quietude works great with passive quell. I've been running surge with the antax and quietude. (I know I'm not the first to do this)
I actually started playing psyker cause I wanted to use the pure staff
long wharf
I think wrack and ruin could be made viable if t applied 2-3 times as much soulb...
WnR needs to be on-hit with BB, not on-kill
fierce sinew
axe quietude enjoyer here
long wharf
and ought to be any BB hit, not just elites/specials
maiden wolf
and ought to be any BB hit, not just elites/specials
I think most psyker feats should work like that.
still hearth
Selective target, low stacks, small aoe
maiden wolf
Quicken would be a lot better if it allso gave extra quell with each warp charge, or gave an extra source of warp charges.
still hearth
If you could Soulblaze hordes down with BB then that'd be an okay option
maiden wolf
If you could Soulblaze hordes down with BB then that'd be an okay option
Yeah, that's what I think too.0
still hearth
Quicken would be a lot better if it allso gave extra quell with each warp charge...
Quicken should have you get double warp charges when you get one
maiden wolf
Quicken should have you get double warp charges when you get one
Yooo, that's a great idea
still hearth
Make it actually spamable
maiden wolf
Yeah
still hearth
But yeah Quicken is just terrible
It shouldn't use your charges if its going to be the way it is now
maiden wolf
I like the idea of using psyker ult for its default benefits, those being crowd control and quelling.
Being able to stun an entire horde is cool, but Ascending blaze and kinetic barrage are just so good
cyan notch
ascendant
still hearth
Quicken giving 100% peril quell and CDR based on charges without consuming them would be neat too
maiden wolf
(I know they don't override the ukts abilities)
still hearth
It's so close to good but it's just missing a bit extra
clear heath
ok after noticing this, i think going to 135 toughness on psyker is actually detrimental to tanking shooters compared to 134 toughness, which is pretty silly
maiden wolf
Yeah, its kinda boring in its default form too
clear heath
ok after noticing this, i think going to 135 toughness on psyker is actually det...
like
with 4 shooter shots
still hearth
Nerd math
clear heath
imo toughness is mostly relevant for shooters and they fire in volleys and stand in groups, so this kinda matters to me
still hearth
Ye
clear heath
taking 4 shooter shots at full toughness isn't unrealistic
maiden wolf
Imagine being able to intuit how mechanics workrather than having to ise spreadsheets.
cyan notch
dont they fire in 3 round bursts
still hearth
How does it do 44 damage though
cyan notch
44 damage at close range
clear heath
they do 44.8
If you have more than 135 toughness, you won't get the grace period on the 3rd shot
you'll take full damage on 4th and trigger it there
still hearth
That assumes you're very very close though
clear heath
15m isn't that close
still hearth
Ah, I thought it was the 7m one
clear heath
imo it's not unrealistic for a swarm of shooters to get 4 shots in on you within 15m
cyan notch
what if ur toughness isnt full
still hearth
Enemies shouldn't fire in bursts
clear heath
idk get fucked then
still hearth
It's so weird
clear heath
anyways, i'm just gonna personally aim for 129-134 toughness as my goal.
A lot of melees do 64 and i wouldn't want 2 hits of them to completely disable my ability to trigger ranged grace
clear heath
yeah i didn't even realize it was a thing until you sent that reddit post
still hearth
You're tricked into thinking ranged enemies are weak on lower difficulties
But it's actually a secret system helping you
Sedition and Uprising actually just having ranged DR constantly if you have any toughness
wet belfry
So its another mechanic that is badly expalined which is doing things?
still hearth
It's not even explained
clear heath
Yeah i've never heard any hint of it in-game
wet belfry
Its starting to get frustrateing the amount of mechanics you have to keep track of.
still hearth
Unless I completely missed it in the tutorial 400 hours ago
cyan notch
pretty normal for vt2 too
clear heath
I don't recall the tutorial covering toughness break ranged resistance
cyan notch
they have a mountain of mechanics that arent explicitly mentioned
cuz the casual player probs just wants to hit rats/zombies
still hearth
Dodge halting your stamina regen. Coherency regen halted if an enemy is in melee with you.
Slide and dodging making you immune to ranged attacka
Shoves are weak if you don't have enough stamina
safe crystal
pretty normal for vt2 too
Stagger count 0, 1 and 2 are my favourite mechanics that are super obscure
still hearth
Certain movements making you take more damage
wet belfry
Enemys getting stagger resistance over time.
Elite gunners, reapers having a mechanic where you cant slide to avoid their fire.
cyan notch
Blocking while ressing giving extra stamina
what the hell is this
still hearth
clear heath
I've actually never paid that much attention to how res stamina works. Is it using the ranged weapon stamina or is it coming from nowhere?
still hearth
Not sure if it's a visual bug but your stamina bar is noticeably bigger while ressing
clear heath
cause our staves generally do have more stam than our melee so
still hearth
It's very noticeable on Psyker
clear heath
maybe it's just using whatever tool has the most
still hearth
With 2 stamina weapons
cyan notch
i thought it just used your most stamina
spice veldt
i think we're equipping a different weapon or something, like when you're climbing ladders you'll see your stamina go up
still hearth
Idk, it seems arbitrary to me
It probably uses the bar for BB
Since that's not 1 stamina
Even though Psyker has 1 stamina base
So ressing probably just has its own stamina value actually
cyan notch
im on the it uses max stamina to res camp
spice veldt
someone bring a laspistol and res to disprove blooddrunk
still hearth
I don't feel like I block more with more stamina on Zealot but idk
still hearth
someone bring a laspistol and res to disprove blooddrunk
Doesn't it have +3 stamina
spice veldt
i forget
still hearth
Guns all have decent stamina I thini
spice veldt
i just mentally remember that laspistol has a shit ton of stamina bars
clear heath
Take a +1 stamina while ranged weapon is out perk and see if that affects res as well
still hearth
It's just a hassle to do two runs to try
limber silo
what perks do I want for fire staff?
still hearth
Flak and Maniac is pretty good imo. Unyielding vs bosses. Crit chance is also decent for everything.
forest coral
Wooooo
limber silo
This is why I ask. Wasn't interested in fire until thi
shadow wigeon
This is why I ask. Wasn't interested in fire until thi
FYI it appears warp flurry does not do anything for purg.
shadow wigeon
Flak and Maniac is pretty good imo. Unyielding vs bosses. Crit chance is also de...
Maniac seems unlikely... how often are you flaming maniacs
long wharf
getting +unyielding on purge is an option
slow karma
Honestly, operating on the assumption that so much is broken just makes the grind seem decidedly unending
still hearth
Maniac seems unlikely... how often are you flaming maniacs
Ragers
slow karma
I'd rather actually supposed to work and wait for them to fix it
still hearth
But it's not important anyway
Purge has insanely high damage
Just need like 3-4s to start killing everything
long wharf
but it doesn't feel impactful
I don't get satisfying sounds or animations using purge
no screams from enemies
slow karma
Yeah voidstrike takes the cake there, I'll admit
clear heath
Purg is nice to have on the team but i hate playing it too
still hearth
Yeah
It's just like the XII on Vet
Sure it's good but it doesn't make enemies explode
summer prairie
Pretty sure that info is serverside
cloud heron
Pretty sure that info is serverside
Even if this person is making stuff up and it turns out to not be this way, it still is this way and I knew it
cyan notch
i dont get xp or dockets that often
clear heath
It doesn't feel any more or less common than other shit
shadow wigeon
Yeah, it doesn’t. Just so many I don’t care for.
cloud heron
i dont get xp or dockets that often
I feel like over 50% of my 21% health/17% toughness curios end up with xp, dockets, or +curio chance
cyan notch
nothing about it *feels* good
me when i use antax
cloud heron
i feel like mostly +curio chance
still hearth
I feel like it way more with blessings than perks
still hearth
I feel like over 50% of my 21% health/17% toughness curios end up with xp, docke...
Statistically that's very likely
It's like 3/12 if they're randomly distributed
clear heath
I've decided to try that auto perk reroller to get my 5% toughness
holy fuck this takes forever
200 perks rolled
it's still going
limber silo
FYI it appears warp flurry does not do anything for purg.
Yeah, but it's not like I had a choice
cloud heron
200 perks rolled
Man I just settle for the tier 3 at this point
shadow wigeon
Yeah, but it's not like I had a choice
Yeah just in case you are looking for it to do something.
shadow wigeon
Think of the sense of pride and accomplishment tho
clear heath
300 now
imagine doing this manually
shadow wigeon
300 now
imagine doing this manually
Easy now dont insult our hobbies
cloud heron
300 now
imagine doing this manually
What're you looking for?
cloud heron
I feel like toughness is a rare roll
clear heath
i feel like fatshark hates me specifically
clear heath
i can feel the hatred
it feels personal
cyan notch
ive manually rolled for an hour before
still hearth
What's the base rating?
clear heath
78
it's a +3 stam curio
i swear i've seen it roll +5% hp 3 times
but it just hates toughness
cyan notch
aint no such thing yo
still hearth
There definitely is
cyan notch
i dont believe it
still hearth
It's way more noticeable on lower ratings
I had one that could roll T1 to T3
And it mostly rolled T2s
It's definitely based on rating in some way
cyan notch
not from my experience
clear heath
I keep seeing t4s of everything else
still hearth
Well it's hard to notice a small difference
clear heath
this is so cursed
cyan notch
ok but somehow you noticed this
clear heath
i bet you noticed this while rolling wound curios
there's no way you'd be rolling low rating curios unless they were for wounds
still hearth
Ok but mby test it yourself on a low tier curio
cyan notch
if u said rarity then yea plausible cuz thats how weapons work too
but rating i dont believe it without more concrete proof
still hearth
Rarity doesn't let you roll higher tier perks though
If you have a low rating you only roll t1s and t2s
clear heath
personally i believe you
On other curios i get t2 perks occasionally
But right now I'm getting like no t2s and this happens to be one of the highest rating curio I've rolled
still hearth
Your level influences the rating thouch
clear heath
i don't know if it really increases the chance of a t4 by any noticeable amount, but i can tell the chance of t2s is lowered
still hearth
I've never rolled a T2 perk on a high rating curio
cyan notch
i have a bunch of times
still hearth
Sounds like a skill issue then
remote void
i have the same theory while rolling for god curios, the higher the gs of the curio less likely it is to get t3 perks, in the future when they remove the cap we might only see t4 which would be dope
clear heath
the blessing rating is 78 and i haven't seen a t2 so far
clear heath
i think it just uses the blessing rating imo
still hearth
So that's why it makes things more likely
It'd be really sad if rating was that way because that means a 380 + a tier 4 perk is the best to upgrade basically
On weapons
clear heath
honestly who even knows if it increases t4 chances even if this was the case
cyan notch
all the bloodthirsty fs posted here have been sub 350
still hearth
Even if it only reduces the chance for T2 that's something
clear heath
it could be lowering the probability of the lower tiers and just putting it on the next lowest tier. might not increase the t4 at all
it could just be increasing the t3 chance
still hearth
Is Bloodthirsty T4 only?
still hearth
It also depends on if they got it on the first upgrade or on the gold upgrade
I don't even know what it does tbf
clear heath
On special kill, gain +100% crit for the next 5 seconds
the duration isn't part of the description
so there isn't even really a number in the description aside from crit rate, which doesn't really make sense to lower
clear heath
it also shows up on chain weapons
like chainsword or evis
idk about chaxe but probably
manic void
Hi folks, new to Warhammer in general and decided on a Psyker class when I started some weeks ago. But when I use the psychic ability I think I die, is that intentional? haha
clear heath
if you want more examples of super rare t4 only blessings, could also have a look at people's screenshots of power cycler
still hearth
still hearth
if you want more examples of super rare t4 only blessings, could also have a loo...
Then there's also tons of people that have 20 swords and didn't get it
fierce sinew
if you want more examples of super rare t4 only blessings, could also have a loo...
is this resource pinned somewhere
or is this a google moment
still hearth
Just search Vet chat
clear heath
i'm just refering to people who have posted their swords on this discord
manic void
Thanks
clear heath
it's so insanely rare
cyan notch
or surge
clear heath
my friend got power cycler from an emperor's gift and i am so jealous
still hearth
I've got five golden fswords and not a single deflector
manic void
A big part of the class is to manage not blowing yourself up basically
When I first started I thought the blast was some kind of area affect around me. You could imagine my confusion when I kept doing it expecting that. haha
clear heath
I've actually seen low tier deflectors in shop pretty often
never t4 but it doesn't matter anyways
still hearth
I've actually seen low tier deflectors in shop pretty often
I probably missed a couple from not hawking the shop tbf
cyan notch
see t2 on 79 rating
still hearth
Deliberately implemented
I'm about to sit down and record some rerolls for a few hours
clear heath
I've decided to try that auto perk reroller to get my 5% toughness
holy fuck thi...
ok so i just came back to my pc to see this
thank you fatshark very cool
still hearth
Nice
clear heath
ok time for the next one
still hearth
Best I can do is make it tiered and each tier makes you run and gun slightly less slowly
slow karma
Once they finish crafting you can just reroll it
pine relic
They shouldn't put this dog shit there in the first place
floral solstice
enjoy your sprinting staff blasts
pine relic
yeah, I'm will charge to the gunner, it's gonna be fun.
long wharf
ok so i just came back to my pc to see this
do you mind sharing your script for that?
clear heath
do you mind sharing your script for that?
junior patio
can someone please help me get mallous montronum penance for psyker?
ive been trying for weeks and asking for weeks
clear heath
should try asking ogryn chat
they can just block a daemonhost and wait for you to kill it
shadow onyx
they can just block a daemonhost and wait for you to kill it
or just die
90 % of dead weights in teams are ogryns
still hearth
Just use the patented black magic of spaghetti code and block infinitely regardless
shadow onyx
i still do not understand how the aggro work in this game
sometimes its related to who 's the nearest
sometimes not
sometimes you see ragers ignoring completely the frontlane
still hearth
Someone said that there's an aggro limit
shadow onyx
and passing through your zealot bro
still hearth
So only a certain set of enemies will attack you
And some enemies are "stickier" than others
Ragers for instance often pick a target
And they don't swap
Unless they're really disturbed
Blessed morning
shadow onyx
the major issue i have with aggro/ennemies pathfinding except doggos is the "mass" of players
still hearth
The only issue I have with dogs is that they don't fucking chill
shadow onyx
poxwalkers sticking inside your mesh is pretty ...annoying
still hearth
The moment they retarget they'll jump someone
shadow onyx
seeing ragers passig through you like you are a ghost is pretty lame too
its litteraly my nemesus
with barrels and tony hawk attacks
clear heath
Someone said that there's an aggro limit
if there is, it must be really high for ogryns
I've stood in poxwalker hordes with shield and held aggro for a lot of poxwalkers
cyan notch
when ragers pick somebody to target they just run at that target
pretty impossible to stagger them until they are near their chosen target too
still hearth
You need some serious stagger power at least
cyan notch
think ive seen em shrug off surge too
bold flint
just trauma them lmao
small boom, knocked ass
i just came across a psyker who tried to surge down an assassination boss
still hearth
Lasguns against Carapace kind of mood
cyan notch
happened in 2 of my damnation runs recently
me flaming the horde as they drop down other psyker zapping them non stop
zapping boss shield and adds
idk if he thinks its working because the adds are dying and the boss shield is going down or what
cyan notch
shadow wigeon
think ive seen em shrug off surge too
You can stunlock ragers with surge, but timing matters a bit. similar to muties
cyan notch
i dont think thats what im talking about
gilded cloud
pretty impossible to stagger them until they are near their chosen target too
Stagger them by casting death
ornate hamlet
staggering ragers? super easy if you're purg staff user, just left mouse
work on both types of them
i left mouse, then switch to axe and heavy, if i didn't 1 shot with a headshot, i just left mouse with staff again, then heavy with axe again
in easier difficulties, don't need to heavy attack at all
it's very easy to chain stagger them with purg, zero issues with ragers
in fact it's even more reliable CC on those than surg staff is, because surge takes longer to actually apply CC with then a quick left mouse with purg
against most other enemies tho, surg obviously way better cc
combined with knowing how to time your dodges properly, ragers are a non issue for me, in fact i'd rather the game threw more of them at me instead of some other specialist/elites
the worst combo is dogs+trappers+flamers+bombers.
anytime someone gets pinned in fire, they're just screwed
i should point out however, when using purg left mouse to stagger ragers, it doesn't seem to interrupt them while they are attacking.
as long as they aren't currently in an attack animation, you can endlessly stagger them tho
so yes you do need to be on your toes ready to time dodges properly (which is something everyone needs to know how to do, even psykers)
plucky perch
fellow spark heads, for surge staff, full charge, half charge or no charge spam for ranged groups with and with out metal?
static epoch
charge full and alternate to main attack if you are the only one going to kill them
it all depends on how close they are to firing at you, if you have cover or not
if you have a good front you only need to zap once quickly
high prism
hey i'm gonna grind new psyker soon what is this class role
steel vapor
i left mouse, then switch to axe and heavy, if i didn't 1 shot with a headshot, ...
All i see is you want to swap weapons 4 times in order to kill a rager 😂
ornate hamlet
All i see is you want to swap weapons 4 times in order to kill a rager 😂
if you use axe, it's a 1 tap to the head
(as long as you don't miss the weakspot)
forest coral
hey i'm gonna grind new psyker soon what is this class role
Usually excels between horde control or elite control on staves. You are also a walking single target burster with brain burst that ignores all armor for set damage
the ceiling on this class is very high but also probably the roughest class to learn since made of paper
cyan notch
if you use axe, it's a 1 tap to the head
its not lol
bold flint
the casual quickjoin 500km/s warp into out of bounds death
sacred dome
Also the join in as your char is grabbed by mutant and thrown off map 🗺
upper galleon
Spawn in 2 people are down surrounded by crushers and maulers, 3rd guy is in another zip code
Clutch the save anyways
2 people who get rescued leave after you pick them up
rocky cedar
I can never tell if people are leaving or getting DCd
They disappear at the most random times
strange wigeon
sometimes people genuinely crash in situations where it looks like a rage quit, usually on hi5 were there's just so much shit on the screen. Saw it yesterday
upper galleon
They were already mad in chat (including me who just joined) I just ignored them and assumed that they were a duo that left cause they weren't getting attention
All settings on minimum
Maximize frame rate cs s style
They didn't come back either
bold flint
how is it the two krak for brains found the only two medipacks on the map and didnt use them on the assassination boss
cyan notch
i got 2 crashes today with no reconnect option
bold flint
are you trying the experimental thing
floral solstice
i got 2 crashes today with no reconnect option
if you don't play the game you don't get crashes 
forest coral
steel vapor
Does anyone know how damage is calculated when use your flamer/purgatus staff on a mob and it has several different armor types? Type unarmored torso, flak helmet
steel vapor
sometimes people genuinely crash in situations where it looks like a rage quit, ...
did you comment on it? happened in my group i think yesterday and someone commented on it
strange wigeon
did you comment on it? happened in my group i think yesterday and someone commen...
I don't think so, rarely type out anything before the end of the map
strange wigeon
sometimes I type but it's in situations where the bullshit is strong. Also from yesterday, heal at medicae and get bombered 10 seconds after in a bullshit spot losing around 50% of my health
just typed "hate bombers"
maiden wolf
Does anyone know how damage is calculated when use your flamer/purgatus staff on...
Pretty sure the damage is calculated when it hits the enemy, not when it leaves your hand.
still hearth
All enemies have a main body armor type
Or something akin to that
Which is what is used for explosions and flames
steel vapor
soooo, we assume whatever is on the torso is the damage value added?
steel vapor
hmm
still hearth
I think they're the only exception though
Everything else is basically torso = base armor type
gilded cloud
the worst combo is dogs+trappers+flamers+bombers.
anytime someone gets pinned in...
Trappers are the absolute worst... Hate them with a passion
steel vapor
at least dodging trappers are somewhat consistent
dodging doggos and muties is more like gambling
muties will easily do a 180 turn on a dime when it feels like it
magic burrow
I can dodge trappers and muties no problem, but dogs seem like undodgeable homing missiles when they leap
pulsar jungle
Cheese dogs by using corners
leaden thunder
you gotta wait until the mutie raises their arm to dodge
otherwise they are like a homing missile
cyan notch
depends on ping too
near wyvern
Does anyone know how damage is calculated when use your flamer/purgatus staff on...
It's all in the Atheneum
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
pine relic
finally got this penance because our veterans were down lol
cyan notch
nice congrats
west stream
tfw you are about to BB someone and veteran sees that as "wow, its glowing blue, must be special"
still hearth
My Veteran did this so many times
That I had to say "yo wtf"
And their response
":>"
shadow onyx
finally got this penance because our veterans were down lol
gg
ornate hamlet
tfw you are about to BB someone and veteran sees that as "wow, its glowing blue,...
your job is to highlight heads so that vet can shoot them duh
most vet players are complete trash, they can't see shit because their PC is a potatoe, so when you start to BB they shoot it
they also never kill anything unless someone else pings it
west stream
that's a blessing not a penance
pine relic
yeah, dementia
west stream
I've seen it before, not sure how high up it scales tho, lemme hceck
pine relic
probably 4, i think
west stream
5 apparently
pine relic
which tier?
west stream
iirc description used to be wrong (no idea if patch changed it)
and it increases a fair bit more
someone claimed 4% was actually 16% near max peril
pine relic
that would be insane if it's not a bug
deft trench
Does anyone know when kinetic shield is maxed out? is it all the way to critical peril?
pine relic
someone claimed 4% was actually 16% near max peril
ok, after testing it on meat grinder I think I was wrong. it does not give you extra damage on BB.
floral solstice
Does anyone know when kinetic shield is maxed out? is it all the way to critical...
check top pin
summer prairie
Nevermind
You get the shown % at 30,50 and two stacks at 97%
It's actually pretty good if they fix stack thresholds
pine relic
This blessing raise BB's damage by percentage.
pine relic
4% is actually big, you can one shot enemies with BB like tox flamer at 6 stacks of warp charge.
summer prairie
All or Nothing and Unstable power use the same wording, but All or nothing only scales up to given percentage, while unstable power gives one stack per peril threshold.
deft trench
check top pin
Didn\t actually find an answer to what i was asking
summer prairie
It's in the guide
Reduce Toughness damage from all sources by (10% + 0.23 * Current Peril%).
deft trench
ok, but i don\t know math
summer prairie
when it's maxed out depends on rounding, essentially all the way up
deft trench
So critical peril is 33% dmg reduction then, got it
west stream
All or Nothing and Unstable power use the same wording, but All or nothing only ...
ah so thats why it gave 16% reportedly
neat
what are the peril tresholds anyway?
west stream
neat
nocturne edge
tfw you are about to BB someone and veteran sees that as "wow, its glowing blue,...
tbh sometimes when I see something shiny appears I too divert my attention to it, and wherever i'm facing is where i'm delivering bullets usually, so it definetly works like that in a braindead's vet head
lament topaz
We're not all braindead.
north cradle
I try my best to swap targets, being a Psyker main myself, but sometimes shit happens. I'm being targeted, it's something I was already shooting at, etc
leaden thunder
there is jsut more vets
north cradle
If it's Ragers on Damnation though I'm still shooting. Those things take two Brain Bursts anyway
lament topaz
I try not to shoot what you're trying to BB, but the shotgun doesn't give a shit.
north cradle
Were Plague Monks tanky too? It's been a while, but Ragers feel like they don't leave an opening after their four hit combo
summer prairie
monks did much more damage
leaden thunder
most specials get oneshot by body shots on like all diffs with most ranged weapons iirc
I think enemies deal less damage in DT but are tankier
west stream
ragers feel like they're designed for you to stagger or dodge around
on that the blaze sword is fairly straightforward
but waiting for an opening blocking or backsliding doesnt seem optimal
leaden thunder
blocking in general seems worse in this game
north cradle
Pushing with anything except Force Sword for Ragers and Bulwarks feels awful
Oh and Bully Club
leaden thunder
idk it's saved my ass acouple of times
depends on the weapons push attack though for most consistent usage
north cradle
Ragers are piecemeal for my Force Sword since I can knock one on his ass, charge my sword, and pop his head off
leaden thunder
most elites are a non issue unless you fuck up
north cradle
I can't really do that with my Claw Sword without eating a hit or two
leaden thunder
I mean that's becuase it's the claw sword
pushing is an important skill to remember to use
as things get higher in diff
it won't do a lot to most melee elites tho
but it makes hoard control way easier
north cradle
That's what I mean, I tried pushing a Rager with my Vet's Claw Sword to disappointing effect
leaden thunder
Force sword push is also just really good
north cradle
It feels like I have to dodge backwards and shoot him with my lasgun instead
Yeh, Force Sword is great
leaden thunder
claw sword isn't a good elites killing weapon
if you had an axe or something then it'd be better in that situation
on vet I like having more single target melees
same deal with psyker actually
lament topaz
I can and will wade into that horde.
By the Five Rusting Spires, I will fuck shit up.
lucid horizon
okeyyyyyy lets go 😔
leaden thunder
I mean with current blessings you can make a single target weapon hoard clear
well
axes at least
north cradle
Axe on Vet? I can give that a try
ornate hamlet
Axe on Vet? I can give that a try
this is psyker channel
north cradle
I don't want to talk about Veteran in #veteran-class
leaden thunder
it's also a weapon both can use
strange wigeon
Axe on Vet? I can give that a try
same as with psyk, antax 5 with brutal momentum, gg
shadow onyx
even without
BM is not mandatory as some other weps blessings
it adds huge comfort
and quality of life
silk flax
I don't want to talk about Veteran in <#1046912126746374274>
Yeah the vet channel is shit. Just memes now
idle bay
Is it often when a Valkyrie have that many holes?
idle bay
I wonder if they pump Surströmming smell in the airducts
steel vapor
Is it often when a Valkyrie have that many holes?
Yes, in a battlezone valkyries get many holes in them very often
shadow wigeon
Yeah the vet channel is shit. Just memes now
I wonder what the channel looks like if you just start blocking ppl
long wharf
you'll still see all the "message is blocked" lines
north cradle
I wish those lines didn't even exist
If I ever blocked someone, I don't want to know they're still talking
long wharf
yep, same
give me good old fashioned IRC behavior
if I block someone, it's because I've decided I'm better off thinking they don't exist
wanton sandal
Axe on Vet? I can give that a try
i hear people swear by the one antax axe. I'm partial to axes in general, i prefer to have a good horde clear on vet like shovel or chainsword
or just in general, with the exception of fs on psyker :)
north cradle
I prefer the Force Sword on Psyker for the ability to dispatch Ragers and pushing a lot of enemies
But I may try the axe on muh Vet
Ideally trying to get a Deflector with +Flak and +Maniac
Slaughterer too?
wanton sandal
yep
deflector is just really good for not dying
and maniac is a really good damage type
if you grab deflector, I think it's affected by warp resistance and block efficiency tho
so those would be good stats/perks to have I think
long wharf
warp resist should, but doesn't
clear heath
warp res doesn't even effect the push attack peril cost
idk what they were thinking when they put that stat there
long wharf
they weren't
it's pretty clear that very little forethought went into Darktide's current mechanics
wanton sandal
tragic
broken quail
Slaughterer on force sword with the cleaving attack combo is all you need for hordes really. I'm not sure if superiority is good since elites aren't that common and 5 seconds ain't that long, oh and only 5% power boost. Not convinced by trauma because the base stagger on force sword is a lot lower than catachan, and not sure how impact effects that push. Uncanny strike seems good to deal with flak and even carapace
idle bay
I feel that completing 25 weekly on 2 characters was a bad idea, especially, when i completed 25 weekly on second one in a day... thankfully it was ogryn.
crimson dust
should I upgrade this
whole oxide
should I upgrade this
The stats aren't terrible, not great either, but okay. Blast Radius is deceptive, as what matters in the epicentre, and that doesn't change much with blast-radius. The Blessing is totally useless for Trauma tho. But if you wanna use Trauma then you this would work until you can find a better one
crimson dust
is there a guide somewhere on what I should be looking for?
whole oxide
idk about a guide, but for Trauma I'd say the key stats are Damage and Chrage Rate. Blast-Radius and Warp-Res are nice to have but not mandatory. Quell speed matters least. For blessings you'd want either warp-flurry, warp-nexus, or rending-shockwave
long wharf
I wouldn't bother with crit chance on trauma, the extra damage is atrocious
whole oxide
still better than the alternatives which literally do nothing
wet jacinth
shrewd grove
the bald drip is growing on me
cold geode
Could the shop please stop prioritizing guns when it cycles 370+ weapons. It's getting really fucking old at this point.
west stream
Use the gun sparkhead
forest coral
the inquisition demands you use guns like a real hero, witch
true shadow
long wharf
just call yourself Malak already
molten sparrow
the bald drip is growing on me
The superior quality design
molten sparrow
Could the shop please stop prioritizing guns when it cycles 370+ weapons. It's g...
I'm having the opposite problem.
cold geode
@molten sparrow I'll trade you shops
molten sparrow
<@184698412606816256> I'll trade you shops
Wish we could
cold geode
Wish we could
Srsly
forest coral
On side note trauma staff with max dam and unarmoured damage+ maniac damage perks actually turning out to be quite decent 
rocky cedar
The stats aren't terrible, not great either, but okay. Blast Radius is deceptive...
The stagger radius is still important, and while epicentre increase is small you really want every bit of epicentre you can get to actually be killing a decent amount of stuff per cast
As a Trauma Stan since first picking up Psyker I wouldn't even look twice at a trauma without at least 70 blast radius
Charge rate second most important
Damage third
Warp res best candidate for dump stat
rocky cedar
should I upgrade this
TL;DR don't waste your mats on that
forest coral
Out of all the staves, Trauma probably the one that needs the luckiest stat lines to be actually viable as horde clear/ squishy elite killer in higher difficulties. But I'm starting to find it as reliable as surge against anything that isnt spread out shooters
rocky cedar
To me trauma is king of mixed hordes
There is no elite/horde combo I fear while holding it
lethal folio
Trauma gets a lot of undeserved flak.
forest coral
If it had just a bit more damage vs elites, it would be juicy
rocky cedar
Trauma gets a lot of undeserved flak.
TBF the way it interacts with stairs is hella annoying
Also the way the targeting reticle flies into the air at long range
lethal folio
I never liked the ground targetting template fatshark uses.
forest coral
Trauma gets a lot of undeserved flak.
I used to hate it too until I finally got a staff that actually had decent damage to one tap hordes
rocky cedar
Fix those two things and it'd be perfect to me
forest coral
right now trauma staff goes through stairs that have open gap aesthetic
it hurts my brain
very hard to target a ledge or bridge at an angle when under pressure
rocky cedar
Actually I have one other issue with trauma
Blast radius and charge rate have way too much variance with stat level
lethal folio
It's always been a problem.
rocky cedar
Makes it feel like hot garbage at low levels
forest coral
yeh, trauma needs most good stats to make work
and getting used to the jank targeting
maiden wolf
Quick! I need to know everyone's favourite all-class melee weapon! Edit: Other than the Antax
forest coral
Duelling sword II
forest coral
ye
forest coral
I mean axes probably most useful all round
forest coral
catachan sword kinda mid at dealing with elites, knife kinda only really works well on zealot
i still dont like chainsword in anyway but i know some people on this discord swear by it
maiden wolf
Are there amy standouts among the tactical axes?
forest coral
Antax V with brutal momentum is probably best all rounder melee in the game at the moment
can kill everything without really having to brain power much
maiden wolf
Antax V with brutal momentum is probably best all rounder melee in the game at t...
I really love it, makes me feel like a beast
I wish tge other melee gave me the same feeling.
forest coral
Heavy sword with head taker on zealot and duelling swords in general feel good to use for me personally
maiden wolf
Duelling swords feel realy good too, I find the knife heavies take too long.
forest coral
or they have that nice Vermintide feel as in you need to know to combo/ deviate between diff moves
long wharf
trauma gets very well deserved "flak"
the aiming for it is unintuitive and painful to use
forest coral
going through stairs and minor gap in floor moments
brittle crest
Heavy sword with head taker on zealot and duelling swords in general feel good t...
i like how duelling swords feel too but they also feel like they don't kill anything 
i think i've been ruined by mk5 caxe with BM
forest coral
They do, gotta snipe heads with your heavy attacks
crude talon
i like how duelling swords feel too but they also feel like they don't kill anyt...
MK5 dueling sword. Both heavies are overhead and it does the most damage of them
bold flint
Chainswords were cool until they killed the bleed utility on bulwarks
I guess theyre still good against them, just have to hit them
austere estuary
Man
leaden thunder
man
maiden wolf
I haven't tried vermintide yet, are there any weapons from vermintide you wish had a darktide equivalent?
iron marten
Conflagration Staff
upper galleon
I'd rather like new staffs since Psykers have lightning, force and void
i don't want all the cool staffs being fire based
leaden thunder
Coghammer
upper galleon
I'd like a hybrid surge/force staff that calls down a lightning strike
iron marten
A Nurgle-themed version then: The Constipation Staff
leaden thunder
flaming flail or some other kind of version of force flail
iron marten
I miss the polarms and reach weapons though. Changed things up trying to maintain a certain distance from the enemy
upper galleon
yee 2 handers and dual wield are missed a lot. Zealot only has two 2handers and they aren't very impressive
leaden thunder
evis
pine relic
Just finished two games, have to carry as the Psyker, takes forever to kill specials and elites, usually, the game took 26 or 28 minutes, but the last two games took 36 minutes.
Now if I see two more Psykers in the Heresy regular or high-intensity games I just quit.
forest coral
Its not uncommon to have 3x psyker damnation games in quickplay
pine relic
Well, I will never play with that kind of team again, it's exhausting.
forest coral
but im surprised to hear psykers struggling with specials and elites
pine relic
It only takes two mutants to make you struggle.
north cradle
I can take two Mutants
pine relic
Or one mutant and a small horde. I like to play this class but man, if you don't have another damage class in your team, it's just sad.
leaden thunder
I can take two Mutants
ayo
forest coral
Eh
ill agree on the damage part unless ur using purg but two mutants shouldnt ruin your teams day
verbal mountain
hiya peeps! new to the game and picked psyker ^^
leaden thunder
it can lead to some bad times, but it's typically more annoying then deadly
forest coral
unless you get yeeted through the map
spice veldt
depends on your teammates, since some Psykers just hang back and BB
leaden thunder
until they throw you off the edge
north cradle
hiya peeps! new to the game and picked psyker ^^
You picked the hardest class to play but the most satisfying to use
forest coral
hiya peeps! new to the game and picked psyker ^^
hi hi, welcome to the class!
north cradle
When you get in a rhythm with Psyker kit, you feel like a god
forest coral
high floor, higher ceiling
especially once u get hang of the stam regen on this class
pine relic
It's quick matches. I already played two games in that I have done the heavy lifting to kill most specials and elites, it's BAD.
north cradle
I have accepted the fact that Psyker's best role is opening up enemy Ogryns to attack, and safely taking down firing lines of Gunners one at a time
pine relic
Two mutants, each requires three BB, I can't do it over and over, it's not fun. I'm gonna switch to zealot now.
spice veldt
or headshot with melee
forest coral
force sword or duelling sword heavies to its head
north cradle
A well rolled Force Sword will kill a Mutant in two special heavies
pine relic
I don't use force sword, it's bad against the horde.
spice veldt
I prefer Force Sword since I can just prepare a special and heavy it as it grazes past me, and I never run any other melee anyways
a god-rolled FS will kill a Damnation mutie in two light-specials, I think? I forget if I crit or headshot during those happenings
with Psykinetic's Wrath, at least
north cradle
I used heavies so I'm not sure
Force Sword isn't actually super bad for horde clear, you just need to learn to use its pushes since it's one of the best in the game
forest coral
The force sword hand clenching
north cradle
But I think most Psykers are using Purgatus and Surge anyhow
spice veldt
it's horde control is nice because of its insanely good push economy, but its heavies won't even one-shot poxwalkers on Damnation
at least without Slaughterer
north cradle
Yeh I'm still waiting for a Deflector/Slaughterer
pine relic
Also, the force sword has terrible dodge distance. Unless I get very good blessings I wouldn't use it.
north cradle
Infinite dodge tho
leaden thunder
an axe will still kill a mutie pretty fast
spice veldt
doesn't help that Psyker has the lowest base dodge distance among the classes
north cradle
Still holding out for that Force Greatsword found in the leaks
forest coral
doesn't help that Psyker has the lowest base dodge distance among the classes
until you use duelling sword
pine relic
Still holding out for that Force Greatsword found in the leaks
Source?
leaden thunder
it's in a gameplay trailer iirc
spice veldt
true, though I don't really like the duelling swords/knives
not a fan of their attack combos and hordeclear since most of their eggs are in the mobility basket
spice veldt
maybe with a Lacerate + Mercy Killer knife
pine relic
I like dueling swords, I just haven't gotten a good one yet.
It can easily dodge mutants and three-shot them.
north cradle
If I could get a Force Greatsword with the Executioner Sword or Bretonnian Longsword moveset, I'd be a happy man
pine relic
So you don't have to wait for the mutant's second round like other melee weapons.
pine relic
https://youtu.be/lCOuP1bld70?t=255
THX
forest coral
If I could get a Force Greatsword with the Executioner Sword or Bretonnian Longs...
unfortunately Psyker has noodly arms
spice veldt
apparently can't handle any chain weapon other than the Chainsword
forest coral
north cradle
If the Preacher would let him borrow an Eviscerator I'm sure he could cleave into his foes
leaden thunder
you aren't missin much not having the chaxe
spice veldt
maybe, but given that our ranged options are all CC, I'm sure there would be some group of players willing to use the chaxe
north cradle
Isn't the Eviscerator the chword
leaden thunder
evis is the twohanded one
north cradle
Yeah, the two-handed chain sword...?
leaden thunder
yeah
forest coral
a force axe or force hammer would be kinda rad too
or are we stealing zealots thunder a bit too much in that case
leaden thunder
force staff melee(but it's actually a melee)
outer loom
a force axe or force hammer would be kinda rad too
Give me a gun where i can imbue the bullets magic for a special action
north cradle
Force Halberd that has stabs on light, swings on heavy, and its special is like the Power Sword?
pine relic
The single-hand eviscerator is actually better than the heavy one lol
forest coral
Give me a gun where i can imbue the bullets magic for a special action
something like that would make gun psyker an actually viable playstyle
spice veldt
force staff that casts a magic sword like elden ring or some shit
forest coral
like % chance on range attack to create warp explosion or ignite target + feat to increase projectile damage on burning target
north cradle
Oh ya the not-Farron Flashsword
forest coral
wats that
leaden thunder
actually
spice veldt
using the powers of magic the warp
leaden thunder
a really cool thing
would be to have the force staves equiped as melees(and ranged) and have them do differnt things based on the staff
ie purge staff applies soulblaze on heavies or something
outer loom
force staff that casts a magic sword like elden ring or some shit
You call the move blade of the emperor
forest coral
ie purge staff applies soulblaze on heavies or something
would be a cool idea
i really miss multipurpose ranged stuff like kerillians throwing spears in vermintide. Can use as both spear melee and thrown when needed to.
pine relic
forest coral
ay nice
floral solstice
short horror story: i loaded the game, queued damnation solo. joined a game, getting pressured by shooters as i loaded in. random vet is using autopistol.
i guess people are bored rn with lack of content
ornate hamlet
has the game changed since late December? haven’t played in a bit
floral solstice
a bit, i guess.
clear heath
dead game
floral solstice
no no this is goty 2023
clear heath
What's changed since december:
The player count
floral solstice
who knew that an unfinished game will lose that many players, what a surprise
compact cargo
who knew that an unfinished game will lose that many players, what a surprise
Deep Rock in 2019 was unfinished and never lost playets to that extend.
Hell earlier on we had polygun guns
Yet it still got people hooked because it's an actual good game even back when we had a lot of placeholders
DT...is a good game if you stay in mission
The rest...is just made to inconvenience you
still hearth
Oh yeah we had the talk about the stamina you have while ressing
And it is the "base" stamina you get when you hold your blitz out it seems
Because both the melee and gun I had out when ressing didn't match the stamina I got but the blitz did
I'll have to test if having a higher stamina helps or if it just overrides it regardless
cyan notch
idle bay
Yet it still got people hooked because it's an actual good game even back when w...
That line about "is made to inconvenience you" is best description of Karktide game design.
manic needle
DT...is a good game if you stay in mission
When it works.
Have fun getting mashed into the mesh by a Mutant or getting yeeted out of the map upon loading in otherwise
idle bay
Servers are close to death it seems, ranged weapon can forget about any semblance of precision or decent hit registration. Vet is unplayable this morning...
idle bay
Have fun getting mashed into the mesh by a Mutant or getting yeeted out of the m...
I have one loading into the mission into "out of bounds" 🙂
And few mutant-pushes-through textures as well
manic needle
Not to mention things like different feats and blessings not working as intended
idle bay
or Blessing virtually doing nothing because of abysmal bonus they provide for a fraction of second 🙂
Darktide Blessings be like:
"During the full moon, when you standing on the northen side of mountain during the spring, get +0.000001% to some stat, for 1 second, under condition that your character is naked"
While some blessing be like "Hey bro - want to completely change how this weapon works?"
I'm waiting for Brutal Momentum brutal nerf this week - Axe Psykers having too much fun is a wrong in Fatshark Books
idle bay
... Store is trolling my Vet HARD.... another 370+ Plasma Gun with gimped Charge stat...
I mean i have 380 Plasma Gun with pathetic 69% Charge rate that makes Charged shot shoot wet spaghetti
Ogryn with + 90% Toughness regen , and Lynchpin is still ridiculous 🙂
feral topaz
charge rate doesnt effect charged shot damage?
idle bay
According to stuff i read about it in few guides - it may affect it noticably.
feral topaz
o_O
idle bay
My biggest gripe with Plasma gun - it's does not melt through Bulwark.
It's like his shield made from Plot Armor of some fictioncharacters
still hearth
I think it's basically the same vs every type iirc
feral topaz
Hmmm, ok
still hearth
But it's not a damage stick
feral topaz
What is it for?
idle bay
Mass knockdowns and stagger
still hearth
It's like surge but with less spam, knock dangerous things on their ass for breathing room
It does decent vs horde too
feral topaz
hmmmm
still hearth
Surge requires almost constant uptime but trauma lets you swap to melee constantly
And surge sucks vs horde
spice veldt
yeah, I think Trauma shines in a team where your only anti-armor is melee
still hearth
Imo the only actual high damage staff is purge
Otherwise you'd get more DPS with XII or BB
spice veldt
with the exception against Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn, since they both take extra damage from explosions
spice veldt
why did they all have to be CC
feral topaz
but Idk what since
Voidstrike doesnt seem like much of a ranged killer
And purgatus is discount flamer
and Trauma just exists?
still hearth
It is good with full stacks afaik
feral topaz
Voidstrike is?
still hearth
Voidstrike with 80% damage and 80% charge speed
feral topaz
oh
feral topaz
With headshot?
still hearth
Yeah it headshots
feral topaz
So I need two max stats and then I need to headshot them?
still hearth
It has a massive hitbox
feral topaz
hmmm
feral topaz
wellp
spice veldt
i get frustrated trying to use Voidstrike on enemies that are running, so I don't use it
forest coral
Trauma needs high aoe and damage stat, then it starts reliably killing hordes or other squishies in higher difficulties with proper perks
still hearth
Trauma is fine vs hordes in chokes or thinning it out
forest coral
but i feel that staff needs to have much better stats than others just to move on from being a cc stick
spice veldt
eh, I don't think it needs more AoE
jagged vault
void strike is insanely fun, just pop them heads in crowds
still hearth
High aoe stat is actually bad
jagged vault
feral topaz
this is the trauma staff I got
spice veldt
or damage, since its main benefit is the fact that has AoE AND stagger, and damage is just tacked on to be there
still hearth
You get way more annoying stagger than damage on trauma
spice veldt
yeah, I'm pretty much using my melee for 90% of the game
idle bay
You get way more annoying stagger than damage on trauma
Was there some annoying mechanics about adding stagger on another stagger makes dropped enemies to stand up instantly?
still hearth
Mostly using it to disrupt ogryn and ragers
still hearth
Was there some annoying mechanics about adding stagger on another stagger makes ...
Yes
If they hit a smaller stagger threshold it can override them being grounded
So they instead stand up and stumble
spice veldt
there's also the fact that enemies can have a long ass period of stagger resistance. E.g., you can't chain stagger Crushers by spamming the Trauma staff on them
idle bay
But you can keep staggering them with Surge staff
still hearth
Tbf they do take like 3+ seconds to stand up
spice veldt
true
spice veldt
i guess otherwise you could literally just trauma staff yourself and be immune to everything
still hearth
But you can keep staggering them with Surge staff
Yeah surge never hits a stagger threshold basically
clear heath
just use that time to quell or something
spice veldt
i'm thinking of a situation where I have bots trying to 1v1 a crusher, and my only tool is the Trauma staff to babysit their asses
still hearth
I think the crusher can do the fast attack but if it does the overhead I can reliably chain CC with trauma
clear heath
The stagger immunity thing is super noticeable on stuff like ogryn power maul or zealot crusher
But it barely matters anyways. They don't usually get off an attack during it
river sand
i've played the last week exclusivley with trauma. and tried void and surge again yesterday. i missed trauma every second of the match
spice veldt
i just need more practice with it, it seems
still hearth
i've played the last week exclusivley with trauma. and tried void and surge agai...
I also much prefer traumq
forest coral
same, trauma definitely feels more useful than voidstrike in most cases
still hearth
Just because it doesn't do 0 damage to hordes like surge and does hard stagger unlike void
spice veldt
and it's still pretty decent against ranged enemies like the void
river sand
trauma can oneshot all non-elites in its range which isnt even that small and has great cc capabilities. so you have cc close to surge but can actually kill stuff. and tbh im pretty sure void is just the worst staff atm
forest coral
Im still trying to find a reason to use it over purg outside of having fun with it tho
clear heath
elite staggering
river sand
especially when you get to higher ground, you have great range and easy targeting with trauma
still hearth
Also don't forget your LMB
That thing suppresses hard
Like super hard
On all staves
forest coral
ye
spice veldt
it's "suboptimal" compared to purg, but I think your winrates will be pretty similar with either staff once you get used to it
forest coral
True bout the high ground tho
you actually feel like a mage and the hordes explode in giblets
still hearth
Void needs to focus on being a rail gun sniper and trauma should be less stagger and more damage imo
Surge already does the CC schtick
river sand
if the horde comes from more than 1 direction and has some elites mixed in. purg can struggle cause it always take a second or two till hard targets get staggered, even an uncharged trauma can stagger the elite and save you're mates.
spice veldt
they'll probably make another staff the ranged single-target DPS option
still hearth
That would make them more distinct
still hearth
Just chunk things
river sand
and all those little clusters and patrols of shooters that lure around. just one trauma shot and they are all dead
forest coral
My staff preference right now after properly testing out trauma with decent stat is def purg> trauma (with pug)/ Surge (organized) > void
river sand
and dont forget 90% of zealots run around with flamer in pubs so purg isnt usually needed
still hearth
and dont forget 90% of zealots run around with flamer in pubs so purg isnt usual...
I wish this was true
spice veldt
85%
