psyker-class

[true shadow]

home

[wild pilot]

wait did they increase void cost? lmao

[true shadow]

because we can go back and forth over the same weapon

[devout axle]

You might want to read my explanation of the recent nerf again, bud. You clearly seem illiterate.

[true shadow]

oh so you're upset about being wrong and want to resort to ad hominem

[manic needle]

Mine costs about 5% more peril per cast, give or take a percentage point or two

[true shadow]

when i offer to record my experiences

[devout axle]

"Problem with Void was that it was -TOO- spammable. It's right click had the same cost as its left click, and the fact that its an AoE, pierces, and can get the blessing that refunds peril on weakspot kills meant that its right click had basically no cost, while its left click still did."

There you go.

[fierce sinew]

trauma was bad so they nerfed void

[wild pilot]

lol, talk about beating a dead horse of a class

[true shadow]

you said the voidstrike was too spammable and infinitely pierces hordes

then you said half charge

[devout axle]

Reread it buddy

[true shadow]

but you also say it reaches half charge in 0.5s

[manic needle]

Combined with Transfer Peril now working with Quietude its a free buff

[true shadow]

dont gaslight

[manic needle]

Minimal increased cost + toughness regeneration

[devout axle]

I also pointed out the exact numbers.
Void now costs about 15%, up from 6% fully charged, and Trauma costs 25% fully charged, down from 40%

[true shadow]

this was literally part of your argument so idk why you're getting upset

[devout axle]

But you clearly can't read.

[supple skiff]

peril is sort of a resource with quietude so maybe not awful

[shadow onyx]

killing 3 crushers then reload in more or less 8 seconds in total is not what i call "non consistent"

[fierce sinew]

it'll be a free buff once we have the crafting systems necessary to access that interaction consistently

[true shadow]

yeah voidstrike got peril cost increase. you said this is fine because its too spammable

[supple skiff]

at this point I think its more the principle of the change

[devout axle]

Because it WAS

[true shadow]

i understand you're upset because of a perceived slight

[manic needle]

In the meanwhile enjoy your RNG timesink xdd

[worthy spoke]

do stamina curios work now?

[manic needle]

Nah

[true shadow]

but i offered to record something for you to show you the charge time

because my experience is clearly not the same as yours

[fierce sinew]

it's the dogshit balance philosophy of trying to equalize classes internally by ignoring balance between them

[worthy spoke]

smh how could they miss that honestly

[vagrant cedar]

they do but you get the bonus to BB and Staff i think

you don't get on melee

[true shadow]

and i asked you to do the same

[wild pilot]

eh I didnt run quietude so I will remain in wait for other changes

[true shadow]

because arguing back and forth isn't productive

[supple skiff]

on a related note, can vets still chain their ult with no down time?

[worthy spoke]

I meant +3 stamina still only giving +1

[true shadow]

charge time wasn't changed so a recording won't be useless

so idk why you're upset

[vagrant cedar]

maybe it somehow calculates based on the Stamina bonus like 1st one goes to BB, then to Staff, then to melee

the formula might be fucked up like that

[manic needle]

Running quietude before this patch would have been a bad idea, since Transfer Peril didnt work with the feat

[worthy spoke]

it doesnt work on any class (so BB isint the thing)

and thats not how stamina works

[wild pilot]

If you dont run quietude its a nerf tbh

I understand why you would want to run it with these changes

But if you dont want to, its a nerf

[manic needle]

With transfer peril its meaningless, without it yeah its a small nerf

[wild pilot]

It just rubs me wrong that psyker still gets room for nerfs in fatshark's balance team

[manic needle]

I mean in this case you should only be mad if the game's shitty itemization screwed you or if you refuse to run meta builds for one reason or another

[supple skiff]

think they viewed a lot of this stuff as buff fixes and not balance passes

buuuuuut

class is undertuned and they removed one of the few ways the class was unique and relevant, bug or not, they could have delt with other things first

[wild pilot]

I could be mad because psyker didnt need a nerf, they could make quietude work without messing with void

[supple skiff]

I'm speaking specifically to the KD change here

[manic needle]

But as I pointed out, with the right build its a buff, and the staff was working incorrectlly using the left click values beforehand.

[fierce sinew]

fatshark plays exclusively on difficulty 3, where blocking is optional and voidballs kill gunners in one headshot

[manic needle]

Actually true 😐

[fierce sinew]

nevermind how badly void damage interacts with breakpoints at higher difficulties, or how useful peril blocking for revives was

[cloud heron]

yeah, and reload. and that's a lot of downtime for the plasma gun. I don't think instant clearing ogryns is worth the ineffient clearing of other specials

[supple skiff]

imperial truth page 5

[fierce sinew]

they saw a youtube video of someone tanking a daemonhost and thought "can't be 'avin this"

over their nosh

[devout axle]

The KD nerf was expected. The fact that you can block with peril is powerful enough on its own, the fact that it also regenerated while doing so (which Stamina doesn't do) was rather ridiculous, especially when paired with the fact that non-Force weapons passively regenerate peril at a very high speed.

The Void nerf was also kind of expected because it really was the one truly infinite ammo weapon, being able to refund the entire cost on an AoE weapon meant the weapon had no downtime. You could spam into a horde at ranged, and then if that horde collapsed on you, continue spamming into since you are still at or very close to 0 peril.

[manic needle]

What problems are you having with Void damage at high difficulties?

[wild pilot]

I rest my case since im not even playing the game anymore, its just frustrating to see a class that was already underperforming, have some features removed because ends up they are bugs

[devout axle]

It seems unfair, but from a game balance standpoint, it makes sense.

[pine flax]

good buy?

[shadow onyx]

its basicaly the same amount of time spent on spaming your mgx12 to headshot the reaper but instead you reload + more ammo efficiency and faster than even boltgun

• os

[odd blade]

can someone verify, BB not always giving warp charge post patch

[fierce sinew]

not a problem I have per se, it just falls off harder than the others because of the way it does damage

in terms of killtime

[devout axle]

First Target > Damage > Warp Resistance

[manic needle]

The KD changes are dumb, for sure, but it's not all bad. They even fixed BB targeting through fances and railings, plus improved the target selection logic to value elites and specials

[shadow onyx]

not bad if its your first deflector

[fierce sinew]

by others I mean purge and surge, trauma has the same problem

I forget that it exists

[manic needle]

Should be able to one shot normal mobs on high difficulties -- with a good enough staff

[pine flax]

My first deflector has 20 unarmored and 25 carapace rn with somewhat similar but lower modifiers

[placid stratus]

I know this is probably a question with an obvious answer considering the class, but what do you guys think?

[fierce sinew]

I'm talking about the weaker elites in particular, gunners, shotgunners, etc

[devout axle]

I think I wish the Shredder was better.

[manic needle]

Oh, well I use BB + Kinetic Barrage for elites in most cases, unless they need to be staggered

[placid stratus]

That's fair

[devout axle]

Shredder has very satisfying sound design and animations. But its outclassed in every way by the Recon Lasgun.

[placid stratus]

Lucky for me, I couldn't give a shit about what's better than what

[devout axle]

That''s fair

[fierce sinew]

and that's fine, what I'm saying is fatshark's balance comes from a perspective of a difficulty where you can point a voidball at head level and bowlingball mixed hordes. That's a more powerful role than the one you're talking about that requires feat choices to support it

[devout axle]

The classes feats of which are all very bland and uninspired.

[cloud heron]

Plasma is way less ammo efficient, and also less versatile

[fierce sinew]

that's another issue, though I don't really disagree

[manic needle]

Everything should be harder to kill on 5's, I dont necessarily think that not being able to one shot gunners with a Voidstrike is a balance issue.

[fierce sinew]

they should, but they aren't harder to the same degree because void damage comes in discrete shots

it's a smaller version of the problem brainburst has

[manic needle]

I dont think so, BB doesnt stagger your target while also taking out trash in front of and behind it

[fierce sinew]

if you made brainburst do damage that gave it malice breakpoints on damnation, it would be overtuned for malice

[manic needle]

Sure it may take a few shots to kill a gunner, but unlike BB you arent locked into doing nothing else but dedicating yourself to the kill and defending

[fierce sinew]

I'm just talking about the stepwise damage profile

in contrast with just holding fire on something

[devout axle]

They really need to give BB a %maxhealth damage bonus in addition to the flat damage against Elites and Specialists to allow them to fine tune it so it feels consistent across difficulties.

[cloud heron]

Someone suggested the charge time just scale with max health and it always 1 shot kills. That's my preference

[fierce sinew]

there's a bunch of different things they could do to achieve that

[supple skiff]

the list of things they will do is rather short

[fierce sinew]

the longer it goes unchanged the more one thinks it's either intended, or else completely unconsidered

[manic needle]

I dont think it's a fair comparison for the reasons I stated above (CC + piercing + toughness generation with quietude or Warp Absorbtion), but Im not going to turn down a free damage boost to Voidstrike if the devs want to give it to me

[supple skiff]

same

[devout axle]

Reason I don't like this is that, unless they increased charge time, it would make certain enemies that probably SHOULDN'T die to one BB, like Mutants and Ragers, become trivial. While also still requiring a full charge to take out weaker enemies, like Gunners and Dogs

[floral solstice]

well i know what they will definitely do in the future, nerfing psykers even more

[supple skiff]

at full charge I think a headshot should kill a flak gunner even on 5

[devout axle]

And the charge time for BB is already too long.

[fierce sinew]

the BB comparison was just as an illustration of the problems with stepwise damage profile, I didn't mean to distract with the rest

[cloud heron]

I don't think a BB that eats 100% peril would be overpowered

[devout axle]

That's my fault. I fixated on BB because I personally don't think the staves themselves are in a particularly bad spot, class wise.

[fierce sinew]

you see a similar thing with low rate of fire weapons in other shooters

[supple skiff]

unless your initiating on a patrolling group your going to be spending a decent amount of time charged for spread out targets

[fierce sinew]

adding one shot to kill hurts the killtime of slower weapons more

[north cradle]

Is Armoury Exchange broken?

[supple skiff]

yah

[fierce sinew]

it is for me

[north cradle]

Ah hell

[manic needle]

if yure on firefox you can unbreak it by downloading the update

[supple skiff]

they're working on it

[manic needle]

if you use google chrome... lol

[north cradle]

Damn it I'm using Brave

[cloud heron]

The update broke it. Someone in the ogryn chat said the update to the extension is pending review.

[fierce sinew]

if the firefox version is updated already I'll just use that

it's one tab

[manic needle]

Firefox wins again 💪

[north cradle]

Common Chromium L

[supple skiff]

pfp checks out

[cloud heron]

I had to go an entire day of work actually working without constantly being distracted by the shop

it was terrible

[north cradle]

That's actually coincidental, my pfp

[supple skiff]

not me engaging in psyker balancing discussions in my store's back office

[fierce sinew]

firefox isn't working either, what's the current version?

I'm on 1.1

oh I see, it didn't update automatically

[cloud heron]

Unfortunately my ass is stuck on zoom for like 4 hours a day and I have to pretend to be paying attention.

[long wharf]

I had to tell Firefox to update the plugin

[fierce sinew]

same, but it's working now

nice

[long wharf]

so glad I could easily check that Sour Milk has nothing but disappointment yet again

[cloud heron]

There was an equal chance he had a 380 force sword with deflector and slaughterer

[long wharf]

no, Sour Milk having disappointment is 99.9999% probable

him having a fsword with bloodthirsty and blazing spirit is not.

[supple skiff]

sounds rough, unless thats wfh, then I'm mad jelly

death, taxes, and milk's wares being trash

[manic needle]

"Oh boy, a +2 stamina trinket with DR (Snipers), Sprint efficiency, AND experience! Thanks Melk!"

-actually me an hour ago

[vagrant cedar]

gotta love them +xp ones

[worthy spoke]

Yo toughness regen speed + Essence Harvest seems insane

(on builds who can proc it alot)

[manic needle]

Common Purgatus W

[stray warren]

Is the Rending on Trauma staff even worth it?

[worthy spoke]

even with just +15% it was fast AF

[cloud heron]

so what does toughness regen do now?

[manic needle]

Supposedly its better this patch but I havent tested it myself or anything like that

[worthy spoke]

both less delay and regen/sec

[manic needle]

lower delay + faster regen speed

It may actually be BiS now

[cloud heron]

i thought essence harvest had a rate over time

[worthy spoke]

nah its 6%/sec

so it can be buffed

6%/sec for 5 sec = 30% in the description

[cloud heron]

so toughness regen means it regens more toughness overall?

[manic needle]

Yep, additional procs refresh the duration

[worthy spoke]

ya would make it 6*1.15%/sec

[manic needle]

Does it boost Essence Harvest directly, or just synergize with it?

[cloud heron]

does it buff quietitude or things that aren't pegged to a %/s?

[glass badge]

man, patchnotes just keep punching down on Psykers. First removing our kinetic tanking, what next? Making voidbolt not kill squishies?

[worthy spoke]

prob not quiettude, since that just turns 50% of peril into tough

[supple skiff]

well they already increased void's peril gain so stay tuned lol

[cloud heron]

nerfing void is seriously insane

[supple skiff]

was anything done to the kantreal xii or the power sword

[manic needle]

Honestly making it costs its listed value in the stat screen vs. the listed left click value is such a non-issue

[glass badge]

[supple skiff]

aside from the sword getting the activation buff

[manic needle]

I think people are more mad about the concept rather than the actual in-game performance of the weapon

[supple skiff]

thats where I'm at

void getting nerfed while busted shit being left as is , is pants on head

wasn't even the go to in higher difficulties as far as staves go

[glass badge]

our space wizards need a toughness buff IMO. just to 150 would be fine. not as tanky as Vet's, but not toughness-"tanky" as zealot or ogryn.

[manic needle]

🤷 I already pointed out how the change can be useful but if people need to vent far be it from me to stop 'em

[supple skiff]

I take that point

[manic needle]

Im still a little miffed about KD

[supple skiff]

I run quiet and quell

and Im sure there will be a benifit to having a little extra peril per shot

but it was an intended nerf

that there is a niche silverlining doesn't redeem the thought process is my book. It leaves me greatly concerned for future balance passes

[regal musk]

Quietitudes main benefit IMO was just the ability to forcibly restart toughness regeneration by manual quelling.
Having my toughness broken and instantly being able to start the natural regen by quelling is super useful. But thats my opinion >_>

[supple skiff]

"Aligned Equinox Mk III Trauma Force Staff and Equinox Mk IV Voidstrike Force Staff Peril costs to be more in line with each other."
Iike it was balanced against trauma, the two bottom staves

[manic needle]

Since the staff was using the left click values instead of the listed right click values, it's really more of a bug fix than an intended nerf. The way it was operating before wasnt intended

There was even an acknowledged bug report on the official boards

[lethal folio]

Voidstrike is fine.

[supple skiff]

it is

[glass badge]

I like Voidstrike more than lightning. i feel like i'm actually doing something instead of a shitty palpatine cosplay.

[manic needle]

Now that it works with Transfer Peril you can use Voidstrike to do this offensively, while still benefiting from regenerating toughness behind cover or with your F ability if needed

It's a nice change overall tbh

[cloud heron]

Can anyone test if toughness regen works on veteran's confirmed kill?

[manic needle]

My original intent when I got my Voidstrike was to use quietude, but Transfer literally didn't work with it so the synergy was horrible. I was forced to use Warp Absorption instead

[regal musk]

Melk has some interesting things today ...

[cloud heron]

Not enough burn

[regal musk]

XD

[manic needle]

Not bad

Getting crit perk without even needing to reroll is 👍

[torn charm]

im going back to void, surge cant even kill poxwalkers

[glass badge]

Got this from the vendor.

[supple skiff]

being unintended isn't mutually exclusive with a finding that the values work well in a balance sense. But I'm going to choose another hill to die on cause taking issue with a minor change on principle is bad look

[manic needle]

Surge actually does insignificant damage to Infested and Unarmored specifically, so yeah not great for hordes at all

[fierce sinew]

the bug vs nerf distinction is now and always has been bullshit

a change can be (and often is) both

[cloud heron]

build charges with flayer and then use a 4 charge AB to clear poxwalkers

[torn charm]

not max level with my psyker yet

[manic needle]

This is how I felt yesterday when I found out about the bug to be fair. My attitude changed when I learned about the changes to Quietude

I was ready to cope and ended up being pleasantly surprised since I already have a good Void

[cloud heron]

void's probably your best bet, then. Psyker really needs those high level perks

[regal musk]

Wait. What even happened with Void peril? a spammed low charge right click is only 5% peril, fully ch arging is 19%?

[cloud heron]

Yeah it eats more peril now

[manic needle]

Yeah the change really isnt that bad

[supple skiff]

yeah, I'll continue to use void, and its quell working with quietude is a good trade off which probably leans in favour of an overall buff. but now that its working I worry about the quell blessing

[manic needle]

it was using the left click value before

[spare fractal]

at what level do i stop getting staffs that use the blaze bolt (aoe explosion)? i really dont like this ability

[manic needle]

So yesterday it would have been about 5-6% lower cost at full cast

[cloud heron]

blaze bolt being the left click? all but the purge staff have it

[spare fractal]

whatever its called

[supple skiff]

only void should have it as a left click, change my mind

[manic needle]

You never really stop getting staffs, every staff has the psychic orb left click except Purgatus

[supple skiff]

probably not a controvesial take tbh

[regal musk]

Am confused. Checking an prepatch clip with my Void, a half charge is about 12%~ peril.
Testing in meat grinder now ... Same charge level is basically the same?

[manic needle]

Purg becomes available at level 15 I believe

[manic needle]

The devs really were like CTRL + C -> CTRL + V

[spare fractal]

im talking about the secondary action'

[cloud heron]

the circle that grows is just the trauma staff

[spare fractal]

yea that ^

[cloud heron]

you'll never stop getting it, but it's just that staff that has it

[manic needle]

Oh okay, dont you unlock surge staff before level 10?

I actually dont remember

[fierce sinew]

they changed it anyway, what you remember might be wrong

(I don't know either)

[spare fractal]

so surge has something else?

[rose lily]

what's the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[manic needle]

Surge is Lightning that seeks enemies and stuns then + deals damage to armored

[spare fractal]

its not the chain lightning?

[manic needle]

Thats the one

[spare fractal]

oh ok

yea, i hate the trauma staff so much

[manic needle]

Wow, I got 3 items in my shop above 370 this round

and they're all devil's claw swords

[cloud heron]

classic

[safe pendant]

https://streamable.com/cqrfqn

I blame Fatshark for this

[manic needle]

Welp, not like I need the dockets, so here goes me buying them lol

[cloud heron]

look at this nerd. hasn't even achieved ultra instinct yet

skill issue if i've ever seen one

[safe pendant]

You're so very right

I need another 300 hours

Then maybe

[supple skiff]

so I know this is psyker chat but https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10laahl/60_toughness_regeneration_speed_lynchpin_ogryns/

sweet emperor

[manic needle]

Oh shit another think I forgot to mention with Voidstrike is that suppression now actually works vs. ranged

[desert skiff]

I dont know what to put on my curios 🤔

[supple skiff]

fucking toughness regen apparently

[north cradle]

Damage Resist against Gunners

[supple skiff]

idk what this lynch pin feat does but hell

[north cradle]

Combat Ability Regen also good

[manic needle]

Toughness Regen, block efficiency if you're still running a Kinetic Deflection build, health or maybe toughness now (?), Combat Ability Regen, and once they fix the deflector perk, Revive speed

All can be good coices depending on build

[cloud heron]

it's double toughness regen from coherency

[fierce sinew]

does toughness regen speed up effects that already have rates stipulated? (Essence Harvest)

[cloud heron]

Someone said it does earlier

[fierce sinew]

did that someone say what the new rate was?

[wheat quartz]

is it straight up +60% if you have three toughness regen lines?

[cloud heron]

30%/5 seconds is apparently actually just 6%/s, so it's just 6%*modifier

[supple skiff]

good to know

makes sense why it was so fast

ogryn body blocking about to get worse

[wheat quartz]

I'm currently rolling for it on my zealot to abuse EWEW

[supple skiff]

big man is finally a tank know without that shield, good for him

[fierce sinew]

if you do get to just add 60% to that and get 8/second that's pretty good

[cloud heron]

like i get why saying "30% over 5 seconds" is simpler than saying "6% per second for 5 seconds" but i really hate that they phrased it like that if it wasn't totally fixed

[worthy spoke]

some people are sayings it might be multiplicative

[wheat quartz]

hahahahahaha

[fierce sinew]

my feelings exactly, hence my question

[worthy spoke]

so like 72.8% (60% toughness regen speed might be == to 72.8 effective speed)

[fierce sinew]

LMAO even better

we take those

[supple skiff]

wow, ok so year of the essence harvest then

[fierce sinew]

pretty much

[supple skiff]

hear I thought it was flat 30 for 5

why the hell would they express it like that

[fierce sinew]

we're the fools for believing a fatshark tooltip

we should know better by now

[worthy spoke]

6%/sec for 5 sec (essence harvest)

[supple skiff]

anyone know what we could expect to bring that up to wit curios

if you went alll in

[north cradle]

Toughness Regen works with Essence Harvest?

[worthy spoke]

so either 9.6%/sec or 10.368%/sec depending how they do the math

[supple skiff]

ok

[worthy spoke]

with 3*20% tough speed

[supple skiff]

so, regen half your toughness over 5 seconds

[worthy spoke]

and it stacks with the coherency regen

[supple skiff]

pair that with flayer

[worthy spoke]

or purgatus + lvl30 feat

[supple skiff]

sweet throne

[fierce sinew]

is the "refreshing instead of stacking" text bullshit too?

[cloud heron]

flayer wont proc often enough to stay up

[worthy spoke]

it refreshes duration

[fierce sinew]

flayer won't but AB will

[supple skiff]

wouldn't expect it to stay up the entire time

[worthy spoke]

check Pins for how things work on last patch

[supple skiff]

but even still, you get some passive regen without having to fish for it

fuck, they just fixed quietitude with quell and im probably going to go essence harvest now lol

[cloud heron]

actually yeah, compared to other 2 essence harvest every 15 seconds may still just be better

like i was going to say it was a bad synergy but the amount is pretty insane

tbh I think i'm going to have to avoid toughness regen so I don't get used to all of this free health

[supple skiff]

cause realistically quite with quell is only putting in work with void if your dumping into a horde down range

[cloud heron]

like it's definitely going to get nerfed

[naive dawn]

essence + flayer and now toughness regen is getting amp. I think its probably a must in near every build.

[manic needle]

It actually wouldnt surprise me if the new toughness regen% mechanic wasnt playtested with Essence Harvest at all lol

[fierce sinew]

the uptime you can get with AB and communion is comical

[naive dawn]

have you seen how good it on ogryn with lynch pin?

Its somewhat insane how fast you are regening toughness with harvest or vet elite restore toughness.

[supple skiff]

I linked a video earlier

[regal musk]

Its no different in practice to the infinite toughness of an Ogryn in a horde with the toughness regen on multiple heavy targets

[cloud heron]

Ogryn has down time between swings. It's a bit better

[naive dawn]

i was going to say hordes arent scary to toughness. Gunners/long range usually are.

especially if you have momentum or confident strike

[regal musk]

Sure, But EH has downtime of its own through RNG in smaller horde fights.
It kind of has an inverse relationship with horde size, Smaller hordes give less charges cos RNG gonna RNG

[supple skiff]

im not above a kinetic barrage for a cheeky BB

granted you wouldn't do that with purge but I don't run it

[regal musk]

Im just saying that its not OP, kinda balanced when you take the scenarios it wont trigger as often into account.

Like an Ogryn heavy build or Zealots with the crit build

There are times it wont save you .. and thats fine.

[clear heath]

wait does essence harvest actually work with toughness regen speed now?

[supple skiff]

apparently

[clear heath]

i assumed it was only coherency

did someone test?

[naive dawn]

its hard to test but I can say I have 30% regen on curios

[cloud heron]

@worthy spoke I think said he did

[naive dawn]

before the patch didnt notice now it feels much faster.

[worthy spoke]

defenetly looks like it does

havent tested in a lab

[naive dawn]

I think its working on all things that now regen toughness, blessings/feats and such

[regal musk]

MIght be on account of the toughness regen speed perks not working at all prior

[naive dawn]

you cant really test in lab since you cant take toughness damage

[worthy spoke]

regen yes, gives directly prob no

[supple skiff]

sounds like its time to fire up a private sedition lol

[regal musk]

EH regen is seperate to natural regen, they happen at the same time.

[naive dawn]

correct but it effects toughness regen now as a blanket

[clear heath]

best way to test would be to lose toughness, leave coherency, and BB 1 enemy
and see if it gets you more than 30% toughness

[naive dawn]

so its 30% + whatever you get on curios

[warped perch]

Did they change kinetic flayer with the patch?

[regal musk]

So if your natural regen speed is buffed via perks, it SHOULD feel like toughness is generating faster

[manic needle]

Purgatus builds that use both AB and Communion in particular might be crazy now.

[naive dawn]

exactly + flayer

I feel like toughness is incredibly regenerative but more so now with the curio regen fix.

[manic needle]

You probably dont even need flayer, take battery to boost your DoTs and slay

[regal musk]

Communion always had the small horde size issue due to 4% chance.
In a target poor environment, there often isnt enough kills to trigger it reliably.

[naive dawn]

battery feels way lack luster

[regal musk]

Its why it felt weak in lower difficlties but super strong in higher difficulties

[naive dawn]

by the time you hve 6 stacks the fights usually over and flayer instant triggering gives a lot of free defensive value with EH.

[supple skiff]

if the whole soulfire doesn't care about who triggered it thing is still around, psyker groups could be silly

[naive dawn]

After some more testing and running with KO I think its easily the worst now that I know it doesnt even prioritize specials from what I can tell.

[regal musk]

AB also got a fix, apparently the charged flamethrower damage itself wasnt triggering the charge gain

[manic needle]

With Ascendant Blaze youre looking a seperate 4% and 10% chance to proc a charge each kill though, which is a lot better.

[naive dawn]

I think that still works BFG, cause its just soulflame I dont think it cares who applies it. Just like bleeds count for all feats no matter who applies it.

[cloud heron]

Not sure if I missed some wider point this was a part of, but you can definitely maintain 6 stacks on damnation with purge and AB. That's really the only combo I use warp battery with, but it's one of psyker's stronger builds

[regal musk]

Sure, but its still a small chanc eon reroll.

[warped perch]

I feel like the stacks don't last long enough for six to be useful and also if you're using AB you're dumping them anyway

[naive dawn]

yes maintain, but its usually in a horde scenario versus just having the free bb procs for damage/ eh triggers I found generally better. I could see 6 being very good with AB since its pretty much deletes anything his by AB.

[supple skiff]

wyrdvane toughness strats anyone?

[warped perch]

What is eh again I forgot

[cloud heron]

You're dumping them for a stronger ult and will get them right back

[naive dawn]

essence harvest for first feat toughness regen

[warped perch]

Ogh right

[naive dawn]

yeh, i just felt in damnation by the time I had 6 stacks the horde is gone from purg. Or I didnt need to use AB with 6 stacks.

[warped perch]

I agree

[rose lily]

totally, the timing is very particular

[naive dawn]

flayer is just always getting value, and gives some defensive gain. Warp Battery is all in on top damage and some small trade off for instant proc damage.

I think they each have they their own place. I'm pretty hard against KO now though.

[regal musk]

Overload might be repairable if it was ANY warp charge gain, not just at max stacks.

[naive dawn]

honestly max stacks is fine

you can test it in grinder, it has a limit to the range

and it highly prioritizes elites, but it doesnt care for specials

[worthy spoke]

with purgatus + lvl30 Overload is great

[regal musk]

Or even at least tie the soulblaze stacks to the current charge count ~_~

[naive dawn]

meaning if a dog is next to you and a pox walker

[cloud heron]

I can usually hold onto my stacks between encounters. There are also a lot of places where fights go on long enough that you can't really lose them as well

[worthy spoke]

otherwise Idk if its worth

[naive dawn]

itll just hit the poxwalker and not a dog

[clear heath]

I mean, would you really care about soulblaze proccing on specials? Would take too long to do anything to them anyways

[naive dawn]

Its all in on pure rng on elites. Its fun and ive played with it a ton, but i feel its definitely the weakest option now.

[cloud heron]

It's for building stacks faster on elites inside of a mixed horde

[naive dawn]

well in a horde and its proccing multiple times, it would immediately seek out elites based on range. The fact it doesnt do that for specials really kills the feat a lot to me.

[fierce sinew]

it's not rng with elites, it's the nearest elite to the player

[clear heath]

soulblazed dog could jump you 3 times before it dies
probably better that it goes on elites instead

[naive dawn]

up to a set range

[fierce sinew]

15m

[naive dawn]

yep

i mainly mean the proc is rng

you can use purg and get zero procs on 20 or 30 enemies then see 5 warp charges back to back

[cloud heron]

also, an untargeted BB every 15 seconds is also just not very good as a damage dealing tool

it's more utility to get/maintain charges without using BB

[naive dawn]

its not efficient but it even if it kills something its a free EH proc

eveyr 15 seconds which keeps your toughness engaged.

[fierce sinew]

flayer is the worst of the three by far if you're strictly looking at dps gain

[naive dawn]

^

[fierce sinew]

it's not even close

that's not what it's for

[regal musk]

I like it, but mostly because i get lucky and it triggers a lot on ragers XD

[clear heath]

1 extra charge every 15 seconds sounds a lot less appealing if you're running a build that gives a lot of them anyways

[naive dawn]

its mostly for free bb damage while dealing other damage and again its also a lot of free EH procs.

[cloud heron]

yeah i don't think flayer is the way to go with purge, but the other three are fine

[fierce sinew]

or playing on a difficulty where a nontrivial number of enemies are going to survive the proc and give you no charge

[regal musk]

I use it with my Purge staff >_>

[naive dawn]

I do also, I still prefer it.

[fierce sinew]

6 charges is too comfy, whenever I switch off I miss it

[clear heath]

it's always hard to tell if KO is really doing anything since we don't have an easy way of seeing how many stacks are on an enemy

[naive dawn]

true, but again its the range

its going to focus elites at 15m

consider how often elites are in melee range of you and the value of that and the fact it doesnt ever seen to prioritize specials meaning 4 stacks going to a pox walker over a mutant or a flamer makes me feel bad about the feat.

But its definitely fun when random stuff just dies on your kill feed from around you.

[clear heath]

it's not that rare for an elite to be within 15m of you

[safe pendant]

Just like spiders irl

[cloud heron]

true

[manic needle]

Well well well, what have we here?

Not bad for a random store pickup

[cloud heron]

blast radius hurts a bit

[rose lily]

what's the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[manic needle]

Nah not really lol

Not in my opinion at least

[floral solstice]

hello sir would you like some run n gun to go with that

[manic needle]

Blast Radius dump stat ftw

[manic needle]

I cant wait to get that and maybe TB lmao

[floral solstice]

but flurry works as intended on it right?

[manic needle]

Yeah, one of the few instances of it working now

Actually maybe TB is worth looking into with the new suppression changes, remind me to test that at some point

[stuck bridge]

hows the patch going

[floral solstice]

toughness regen go brr

[manic needle]

New Psyker visual bug for eye bleeding Psyker goodness, Kinetic Deflector nerf - big sad, Transfer Peril works with Quietude which is awesome, Toughness Regen% is fantastic now and apparently so is Essence Harvest, changes to Brain Burst targeting is a win

[cyan notch]

what does toughness regen affect

[manic needle]

It boosts the actual regen rate in addition to the start time now

[floral solstice]

before it was only delay but i didn't even feel it back then

[manic needle]

With Essence harvest it apparently affects the base rate of regen, but I havent tested myself to confirm

[floral solstice]

gonna test zealot's EWEW and ogryn lynchpin first when i log in

i imagine vets not really needing it with the already busted toughness dr and regen perks

feats*

[left mirage]

they fuckin killed kinetic deflection on non force weps

no fuckin way

[floral solstice]

guess we have to dodge more now to resume passive quell

[left mirage]

psyker’s fuckin dead to me

good luck lads

[manic needle]

Itll be better when they fix Deflector ressing for me

But the change still hurts a lot

[floral solstice]

should still be ayt, yeah you're missing out on tanking daemonhosts and some crazy horde rescues but yeah it sucks

[cyan notch]

yea res sucks

[floral solstice]

hence why im going to start using dueling sword more on both surge and purg

gonna start relying more on dodges to reposition

[manic needle]

Time to upgrade those swords I got probably

I might even switch of to Kinetic Shield unironically once I get toughness regen rolling

[floral solstice]

i already made the switch, at least for my purg loadout

will prolly still run deflection on surge tbh

[manic needle]

Still havent logged in to do much besides testing and shoptide. Did a game or two to farm mats and I just cant get motivated lol

[idle bay]

Deflection currently have at least 1 (probably 2) new bugs and risky to use after "Fix"

[manic needle]

WHat is there besides rescue bug?

[gaunt stone]

I love "fixes"

[hexed ibex]

Emperor why u do dis

[floral solstice]

just think of all those juicy heads behind railings that you can pop now

[idle bay]

i've seen mention on reddit give me a moment

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10l93ru/kinetic_deflection_after_1022_bugged/

[manic needle]

Railing and fence nerf A+ change tbh

[idle bay]

Not posted on forums and not aknowledged

[gaunt stone]

I loved it when a reaper would gun you down and you couldn't do anything because they were behind a fence or something good times

[hexed ibex]

How about when a ratling gunner would shoot you through the entire skaven shantytown in V2

[idle bay]

Well there are still Sniper who shoot through the walls

[gaunt stone]

That was a feature

[manic needle]

Wouldnt be Darktide without your daily does of Jank

After playing ARK I'm almost starting to enjoy jank. Stockholme syndrome y'know

[hexed ibex]

I really can't argue that its not skaven to just shoot through the walls

[gaunt stone]

Bro during one of those winter updates there was this ice map

My friend and I found a way to get permanently stuck behind a wall

Ruined the mission lmfao he walked behind a rock and screamed don't come in here

So I walked in there

I forgot it's name sorry it's not super specific it was December

[sinful stream]

why would they make voidstrike cost more peril

using it now in daman tion

firmly the worst staff after the trauma changes

[manic needle]

Trail of Treachery?

[manic needle]

Get Transfer Peril

[sinful stream]

already have it, 4%

80% damage staff too,

just not powerful enmough in damnation to warrant nerfing it

[gaunt stone]

Driving I'll check in a bit

[long wharf]

was void peril adjusted in the patch?

has this been verified?

[sinful stream]

its in the note

[manic needle]

It was, yeah

[long wharf]

no, the notes are worded poorly

[sinful stream]

trauma costs way less now, but voidstrike costs a fair bit more

[long wharf]

trauma was adjusted to be more like void

[sinful stream]

it says they were both adjusted to be like eachother

[manic needle]

I dont know where people are getting a fair bit from, my cast cost went up about 5-6% at full charge

Has anyone reported the new visual strobing bug that some people are experiencing at high peril?

[gaunt stone]

yes it was trail of treachery

[manic needle]

Fun map, I wonder how long it's gonna be around for

[gaunt stone]

I wonder if they ever fixed that spot

you could jump into this crevice that was a one way entrance lol

[manic needle]

VT2 team is back working on that game according to Aqshy, so the game should start getting about the usual level of support/fixes

[sinful stream]

thats like a 33% increase tho

[sinful stream]

yes

[manic needle]

For me it's 1-2 headshots of difference, and Quietude working with transfer peril is a W, although maybe not relevant if what people have said about Essence Harvest in here is true

[idle bay]

Ahahah.. chance for double Peril for BB! 🙂
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smite-double-peril-cost/74032

Yay more Psyker stuff is broken 🙂

[manic needle]

Thank god I was worried we might not have been inconvenienced enough

[cyan notch]

that was there before

but it seems the jump is bigger now

[idle bay]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/supression-causes-flashing-screen-effects/74019 Reported but not acknowledged yet

Some thing get fixed some get broken, normal hotfix

[floral solstice]

lmao

im laughing and crying at the same time

[rough egret]

worth rolling this blue or stick with what i have?

[idle bay]

I remember one day at Warframe:
Admin: Here comes the hotfix.
After hotfix few minutes later:
Admin: Now here come a hotfix for a hotfix.. we messed up a bit
Few moments later:
Admin: Here comes hotfix for hotfix for hotfix, please don't laugh

[manic needle]

See what perk you get on an upgrade myabe, crit damage not good but the stats are nice imo

[floral solstice]

honestly i'd just stick with the right one

if you have the extra mats for the blue then why not

not like we're getting complete crafting anytime soon

[manic needle]

Over/Under on some of these taking a week or more to fix? I think that was about how long it took for them to fix Surge staff strobe

[frank talon]

At least in Warframe we get hilarious redtext

[regal musk]

Warframe devs are pretty open with the community in general. Moreso than a LOT of devs

[cloud heron]

I played a lot of warframe but don't think it's a good example of a live service game

warframe is like skinner box incarnate. High quantity extremely low quality

[idle bay]

It seems that Oryn's slab shield is broken as well with a hotfix

[cloud heron]

what's broken with it?

[idle bay]

Maybe it will teach newbie ogryns not to use that crap and use normal weapons

[idle bay]

Can't block shots anymore

[regal musk]

Tha tgoes beyond just being broken .. The netire purpose of that weapon is to be able to block bullets

[austere estuary]

oh my yes it's a painful disco

I play almost always at max peril

and the effect is

very rough

[cloud heron]

Nah, shield is much better used as a vehicle for delivering bleed stacks

[idle bay]

Great weapons for Ogryns: Shovel (with proper blessings), MK III Cleaver, Paul (Power Maul). Shield is a mind trap for players

[austere estuary]

also, tried a few rounds with purg

and it feels like it's actually less good at building warp charges now?

still good but not churning them out like no tomorrow like it was

[cloud heron]

I played a few games earlier today and didn't notice it being any worse

[manic needle]

Wait is that in response to the Voidstrike cost or the new peril visual bug?

[regal musk]

Not denying this. Its what i like most about it, aside from its ability to just approach gunners with impunity.
My point is that if you take its ability to block bullets, its just the bully club but weaker

[austere estuary]

visual bug

[manic needle]

Oh okay, yeah Im pretty upset about it

[regal musk]

The bullet blocking feature was the tradeoff for its damage being lower than pretty much everything else

Without that .. It has no reason to exist.

[idle bay]

Shovel does this better and also kills things really fast, including Bulwarks and Crushers

[manic needle]

The last thing I need is another round of headaches while playing Psyker :/

[idle bay]

And what latrine shovel does to the horde should be considered a war crime

[unborn stag]

[lethal plover]

what does this mean for psyker axe now

can we still tank daemonhost?

[long wharf]

hah no

[cold zinc]

Which perk is less shit and what do I replace it with? I'm guessing flak?

[fierce sinew]

the axe still works the same as before as a weapon, but no longer functions as a shield

you eventually have to stop blocking

[regal musk]

So dodge sideways and drop guiard while its flailing at nothing?

[lethal plover]

daemonhost was the main application. blocking was otherwise only pushed to the limits for reviving

[manic needle]

To think they could have just made Daemonhost ignore Kinetic Deflection or something but instead they gutted peril blocking entirely lol

[fierce sinew]

the reviving application is the one that actually came up in real gameplay, I also wish they'd changed daemonhost instead if they hated the interaction that much

[rocky cedar]

An infested roll will let you one shot poxwalkers without warp charges

And kill them with a partial charge with both the perk and warp charges

On Damn that is

I'd roll specialist damage to infested personally

You can test your exact damage roll in meat grinder and see how many warp charges you need to one shot without it

[lethal plover]

you are no longer Block Broken when at 0 stamina with ‘Kinetic Deflection’.
I did notice this a few times

[rocky cedar]

And if you think the perk is worthwhile for you for consistency

[cold zinc]

I was one shotting on heresy but I wasn't paying attention to my charge number

[rocky cedar]

Yes you can one shot on Heresy fine without

[cold zinc]

gotcha

[rocky cedar]

Infested perk really only matters if you wanna do Damn with it

[lethal plover]

because it was a bug

[cold zinc]

Thanks for the tip

[regal musk]

Lots of people are losing their minds because bugs got fixed XD

[rough egret]

ya i think ill just stick with it. my upgrading success has been subpar lmao

[austere estuary]

oh wow

brand new crash

crashed in psykarium while firing purgatus

[lethal plover]

meh, we already said voidstrike was a bug
now, reducing trauma cost is something new

[austere estuary]

literally never had that happen before at all

[lethal plover]

trauma time now bois

[proud mantle]

so whats the new trauma goated setup

[cyan notch]

i used it and it was fine

radius still ass though and still knocks everything around

[austere estuary]

I actually find myself enjoying trauma a lot less - the power buff from executor really made a big difference for it reliably vaporising things

now that's gone it feels the same but weaker

[lethal plover]

executor? I never used that

[regal musk]

TRauma just needds to be fixed so it only affects what its inside the charge circle, instead of everything in a several meter radius beyond the circle

[lethal plover]

trauma main point is vaporising the basic zombies in one blow without having to aim for the head of a few

[austere estuary]

the knockdown beyond the circle is useful but it would be better if reigned in

[lethal plover]

you want to nerf push AoE? why?

[austere estuary]

cause it causes trouble for the team mainly

[manic needle]

As a Voidstrike enjoyer I might be really sad if there's a huge influx of Trauma users in my games lol

[austere estuary]

I'm sure many will be sad

[cyan notch]

why though

doesnt overlap with your roles

[lethal plover]

push AoE is why Trauma can handle dogs

[manic needle]

Enemies knocked around that arent being killed -> harder to get headshots

[austere estuary]

trauma throwing mobs everywhere absolutely makes void's job harder

[regal musk]

That guy waaaaaay on the left there ... Will get ragdolled. That is absurd and contributes to why the map gets ragdolled

[cyan notch]

let em clean it up and continue blasting at the horde

[lethal plover]

it's one's own job to aim. explosions from trauma or ogryn launcher universally help teams in stopping pressure

[austere estuary]

what

[regal musk]

All that ragdoll does is blast mobs that were clustered neatly for cleaves absolutely everywhere

[austere estuary]

you're tripping, I've been maining trauma for the majority of time since hitting 30

it can and does cause trouble for the team in some circumstances

we can mitigate that

[regal musk]

I have no issue with the ragdoll as a mechanic of trauma. What i want is the blast radius FOR that ragdoll to match the actual blast indicator

[lethal plover]

mitigate that by how?

[manic needle]

In an ideal situation we'd be targeting different mobs, but with randoms you never know. Im expecting different players to start hovering behind me and blasting most of the things I'm targeting, making life more difficult

[austere estuary]

by trying to position so we force things to go in a direction we want

but it's not ideal

[manic needle]

I get it with Ogryns from time to time too, just randomly charging through the horde Im funneling

Although with Ogryns its worse because theyre not damaging anything lol

[austere estuary]

and even then it's still causing trouble for anyone aiming for a row of heads like void who wants to pierce them

[regal musk]

Everything outside the trauma marker takes 27~ damage... Ogryns arent the only ones ragdolling everything for no worthwhile damage

[austere estuary]

^ as lyote says the massive radius of trivial damage is not helpful

should be reigned in

[lethal plover]

Actually this is my first time hearing people complain that ogryns knock enemies down.

[austere estuary]

wait really

I've seen it plenty

[lethal plover]

yeah really. Because it's always helpful for me

[regal musk]

Only in specific instances wherte the team is trying to funnel a horde. Ogryn charges the tight cluster and now everything is everywhere.
Kind of like what trauma does everytime it fires

[lethal plover]

when enemies are down I can reposition and not worry about being surrounded

[austere estuary]

it's often a pain when you would have just deleted a large pack but instead they're on the floor undamaged

when enemies are dead I find that even easier to reposition and not get surrounded

[manic needle]

Usually it is, it's only rarely that I encounter it used like that. Most people wont randomly charge through a horde being funneled by someone voidstriking but again playing with randoms you see everything

[austere estuary]

as someone who almost exclusively plays QM I can confirm

[lethal plover]

often you can not have both damage and big area control

[austere estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-ive-seen-everything-seen-it-all-gif-3483836

[lethal plover]

otherwise we would just use that

[austere estuary]

trauma throwing things is fine in tight spaces

then it's just great CC

but that's also a time when the giant radius doesn't even come into play

in wider open areas, it makes trauma's job harder even - it wants tight clusters to pop, and after the first one, well, you've spread the rest all over

[lethal plover]

here is where push giant radius helps for reviving and clearing with purgatus

[austere estuary]

that's a tight area

[regal musk]

And that ridiculous invisible blast radius is what causes the issue.
All im asking is for the blast radius to be within the marked area only.
Make it a feature if you continue charging past where the blue marker ends, you get a second marker indicating the ragdoll range

[austere estuary]

the marker area is basically the epicentre at 80% range bar

[lethal plover]

eh no. If you shrink push AoE I would be sad because I use it to control big hordes like above.

[austere estuary]

delerik

you could cut the wider aoe by 50%

[lethal plover]

I favor Trauma a lot for control

[austere estuary]

and it would still have hit them all there

it's that big

[regal musk]

Read. Im not asking to shrink it.
Im asking for the ability to control it

[true shadow]

this conversation is miscommunication hell

[lethal plover]

continue charging past where the blue marker ends
This means the initial period would have small push?

[true shadow]

trauma throw things is good sometimes.
it would be better if you could SEE where trauma throw things cuts off.

[floral solstice]

ok toughness regen speed is busted even at 45

[austere estuary]

I honestly get the feeling they tuned trauma around its maximum bars

[floral solstice]

maybe even lower

[regal musk]

Things within t he blue marker would be blasted as current.
Things outsiude the marker, no.
Keep charging beyond the max size of the damage marker for the ragdoll blast.

[true shadow]

its hilarious with just one

15%

[austere estuary]

I've been running 60% for a while, so the buff is gold

[cyan notch]

honestly the other psyker coulda started flaming at like 20s after the crusher dies and handled that whole horde easily but he went afk for 10s before starting purg

[lethal plover]

if the initial uncharged blast has smaller push I would not be in favor of it
a very common trick is me blasting uncharged at feet for 360 push then working towards bigger and bigger explosions to alleviate pressure for team. this is something no other staff can do

[true shadow]

let alone 40 or 60 hahahaha

[floral solstice]

my ogryn has 60% tough regen speed + lynchpin, can't wait to test lol

[cyan notch]

its pretty fast

[floral solstice]

so far switching out of deflection for dueling sword and just dodging more than usual is not so bad

dont even feel the lack of deflection

[austere estuary]

this is my psyker at 60% regen taking a hit #psyker-class message

with just coherency

no other active toughness regen at that point

[floral solstice]

i wont be surprised if this gets addressed within a week

[lethal plover]

coherency is bugged?

[cyan notch]

idk if toughness or health is better now

[austere estuary]

not bugged

[true shadow]

health is still preferable

[floral solstice]

well im taking hp damage when i try to rescue especially since i switched out of deflection

[lethal plover]

what's happening there?

[austere estuary]

watch the toughness meter

[lethal plover]

yeah why is it fast

[true shadow]

he's showing off how fast it is

[austere estuary]

because 60% regen

[lethal plover]

where is it from

[floral solstice]

3x 20% toughness regen speed on curios

[austere estuary]

curios

[true shadow]

curio.

[lethal plover]

ok you could have just said that

[manic needle]

Has anyone heard anything about the Toughness Regen% rate actually being double what it's supposed to be?

[austere estuary]

we were talking about it already

[true shadow]

he... did.

[austere estuary]

it was said

[true shadow]

wh

[floral solstice]

what's the base rate of coherency regen anyway?

[austere estuary]

base is pretty fast still - before the patch I was using these trinkets and just the reduction in activation time was noticible

the current speed seems about right when actually boosted by 60%

[fresh reef]

what builds do you guys run with Void?

[lethal plover]

Fixed issue where the ‘Toughness Regeneration Speed’ Curio only gave a bonus to the Toughness Regeneration delay of Coherency.
This is the culprit huh

[austere estuary]

yup

I actually assumed they had the tooltip wrong before and it was intended that it only affected the delay

since it was already pretty good

[manic needle]

Okay, second question, has anyone tested out Terrifying Barrage since the suppression changes?

[austere estuary]

and thought actually speeding it up would be op

but here we are

[lethal plover]

this kinda feels too much

[true shadow]

what difficulty do you play dalerik

[lethal plover]

well I won't want to get used to it in case it gets removed

I only play damn

[cyan notch]

daniel

[true shadow]

it's not too much then

[manic needle]

I used to run 2-2-1-1-3-3 but now I'm going to try 3-2-1-1-3-3 and 1-2-1-1-3-3

[true shadow]

time for my funny curios to get funnier tonight when im home

in approximately one hour :(

[lethal plover]

Fixed issue where ‘Ascendant Blaze’ sometimes wouldn’t trigger on the kill of the Purgatus staffs.

purgatus buff?

[austere estuary]

ehh

So I thought it might be but

[true shadow]

between the ascendant blaze fix which wss very noticable

and the toughness regen speed fix

[lethal plover]

sounds like purgatus eating good

[true shadow]

i will become God

[austere estuary]

shred loss is big for purgatus

[true shadow]

too bad they broke deflector

[austere estuary]

stack building with an additional 20% crit

was very very good

[true shadow]

when that's fixed i will become god

no ranged will touch me

[lethal plover]

they changed something or is it still broken?

[true shadow]

revive broke this patch

[austere estuary]

now on purg you're limited to 30% if you cast at 97% peril, or 20% if you cast at ... I forget the previous % point

but below 97%

[true shadow]

no more bullet protection while reviving
acknowledged as bug

[lethal plover]

that's just stupid....

sniper bug still there I guess

[austere estuary]

sniper piercing deflect I took to be intentional

[true shadow]

dunno how they broke it but they brk it

[austere estuary]

like overheads

[true shadow]

same tbh

[true shadow]

and tbh i won't notice the difference between having shred purg and not

since i mainly run it with my slaughterer deflector fs

[austere estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

shred + executor dream fully dead

[lethal plover]

so I guess they really want snipers to be the anti-rez

[true shadow]

so I just use the purgatus as crowd clear and set up hordes to die before i whip out the sword

[austere estuary]

tbf with 30% res speed

you could prob res between sniper shots

[true shadow]

you can

that's my lucky curio set

[cyan notch]

its more specials that have unblockables rather than snipers specifically

[true shadow]

res, block efficiency, toughness regen speed

[lethal plover]

are you counting maulers?

or just dogs and muties

[austere estuary]

hah, this bug:

Fixed issue where switching weapons at max recoil would add a constant offset to the camera.
I wish I'd known, might've been some silly fun if we could cause camera to really go far off

[true shadow]

maulers
crushers

[austere estuary]

maybe get into third person

[true shadow]

plague ogryn

[cyan notch]

im saying specials in general have unblockables so its not surprising that snipers stop resses just like any other special

[austere estuary]

also a bit sad about this fix:

Fixed issue where the Psykinetic's 'Brain Burst' cast bar wouldn't reset when pounced on by a Poxhound.
since it was really rare for it to line up, and felt pretty satisfying when you brain bursted it off yourself

and of course, when they keep plaguing us with dogs

[fresh venture]

So.... How bad is it for us Siblings?

[true shadow]

well

[austere estuary]

I'd say it's not great

some nice QoL

[true shadow]

we still got some depressing nerfs

[austere estuary]

but yeah

[true shadow]

some nice things were given in exchange

but they don't make up for it

[cyan notch]

id say its overall better

[true shadow]

and they broke deflector revives

so its inherently worse until fixed

[fresh venture]

How are the staffs now? Is it more peril or less across the board?

[true shadow]

but it's not too bad

[austere estuary]

we have less damage potential, less build possibility

[true shadow]

void far more peril

trauma less

[fresh venture]

So horde control pretty much

[austere estuary]

but at least we can't auto proc demonhosts

[true shadow]

i basically can't justify my void staff anymore

but its ok

[austere estuary]

I feel roughly the same about my trauma staff

[true shadow]

because i can bb through fences and grates

[true shadow]

and that's what really matters sometimes

[fresh venture]

And cheese some kills from veterans

[true shadow]

yup

[lethal plover]

disabling kinetic deflection now means psykers are arguably the worst at melee survival

[cyan notch]

not really

and its not disabled

[austere estuary]

eeh, not sure on that

[true shadow]

passive quell disable is really frustrating but not the end of the world

[fresh venture]

I will at least use my force sword to bypass boss "phases" still

[austere estuary]

Changes little for FS as well

[true shadow]

i just don't understand why they have to keep kicking psyker while it's down

[lethal plover]

it's not the end of the world, but this is a relative position compared to other classes

[true shadow]

psyker is already the weakest at everything survival

[austere estuary]

once the res bug is fixed, block efficiency res speed deflector FS will be pretty stronk still

[true shadow]

now I can't even permatank a daemonhost

[feral topaz]

Do you think any one of them have ever played psyker, on higher difficulties?

[true shadow]

that's reserved only for... OGRYNS

[lethal plover]

of course if you're j_sat you can solo with a saber or a knife without caring. but compared to other classes we are lacking a survival option

[true shadow]

No!

[austere estuary]

I would like if they made our toughness damage reduction feat apply to all damage and not just ranged

[cyan notch]

kinetic deflection does help with survival

[feral topaz]

So theres that

[true shadow]

fatshark unironically do not play damnation

or heresy rly

[manic needle]

Devs are confirmed Malice chumps

[true shadow]

just like they didn't play cata or legend rly

[feral topaz]

And theres that some classes take precedence as the poster child classes

[cyan notch]

you just cant take hits forever (which you arent doing anyway in melee)

[feral topaz]

Psyker just aint it.

[true shadow]

psyker is the weakest class and it keeps getting worse

which is really annoying

[austere estuary]

Pre this patch I was willing to argue psyker really wasn't that far behind

[true shadow]

same

[austere estuary]

since the shred and executor buffs on staffs are more meaningful in some ways

when you don't have ammo

and with warpflame working the way it does

[lethal plover]

so, in some situations, like in the no-light investigation arenas damn endless, you kinda do get hit forever as enemies stream constantly and everyone goes into melee as they move around in the dark. That used to be a favorite for KD

[true shadow]

being able to facetank a dh nearly forever like an ogryn was fun

while it lasted

[feral topaz]

Honestly dudes, from my experience, and observations, if you see a psyker doing work, hes doing it in spite of the class design, not because of it.

[cyan notch]

i mean sure but thats just blocking without even pushing or stopping to melee and thats not really what happens

you can still passive quell just not when youre taking hits

[austere estuary]

we can still ring a round the rosie with a demonhost, in the right scenario with terrain etc, but that's not unique to us

[feral topaz]

like, one thing I noticed leveling up psyker after having leveled the other classes, was just how much of the feat tree is so...underwhelming?

[true shadow]

it was also extremely thematic for psykers

[feral topaz]

not harmonious?

[lethal plover]

what's the delay before it regenerates?

[true shadow]

a battle between a warp entity and a powerful psyker is always based

[austere estuary]

^

[cyan notch]

no idea a second or two maybe

[true shadow]

but now im outdone by a fucking slab of meat

literally a slab of meat with legs

[feral topaz]

Yeah pretty much

Its not a contest in my mind if I have to choose between my ogryn and my psyker

Its kinda funny in a really weird way

Psykers are supposed to be very dangerous and capable of killing much greater threats than themselves very trivially

But as it stands, you dont get that power fantasy here

[slow karma]

That slab of meat with legs has the potential to go toe to toe with one of the angels made flesh

You'd just never see it because it would never get close enough

[feral topaz]

Whereas as an Ogryn, the power fantasy very much stays into higher difficulties.

[lethal plover]

they saw big streamers play psyker and think ah hah it needs nerfs

[feral topaz]

Well thats the strange thing.

[slow karma]

God, are these periltanking memes gonna go on forever

That's all they fucking did

[feral topaz]

It seems to me that they kinda decided to nerf everything instead of going piecemeal

[slow karma]

Psyker is the same as it was before

[manic needle]

Some people are really upset about Voidstrike too, and the visual bug with perils of the warp on suppression that's causing strobing light effects again

[ornate hamlet]

blocking is for chumps

[austere estuary]

the power fantasy we expected:

[slow karma]

Voidstrike I'll give you but it's still not a huge deal

[austere estuary]

the power fantasy we got:

[manic needle]

Yeah I agree

[slow karma]

Bugs are bugs, you can only get so upset at that

[slow karma]

But just changing one clearly overtuned thing is not cause for constant whinging

[austere estuary]

"Fatshark, just a crumb of a buff"

[slow karma]

This has been going on all day.

[manic needle]

Thats actually the one Im a little miffed about because that shit gives me mad headaches

[lethal plover]

The only thing psyker has now is control. Not survival or damage or mobility.

compared to other classes

[true shadow]

valid statement

[feral topaz]

if a bug makes people suffer headaches and nausea, its a fair cause to be annoyed.

[slow karma]

That's fair, but again, it's a bug, not an intentional balance change

That's what people are on about

"But muh power fantasy" Touch grass

[ornate hamlet]

run n gun on every staff i bless causes me more nausea

[cyan notch]

psyker is still pretty good at survival

[manic needle]

Im a bit pessimistic about it because it took a while (too long really) for them to just revert the Surge visuals.

[true shadow]

psyker is absolutely not a power fantasy

[lethal plover]

intentional balance change was them nerfing Psyker's damage.
Robbing the whole glass cannon as a wizard archetype

[feral topaz]

my surge staff got that yesterday, I'm surprised it even exists on staffs

[austere estuary]

also shop extension

[ornate hamlet]

it's all i ever get, i got it on the last 4 staves i blessed

[slow karma]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of FLAMES SHOOTING FROM MY HANDS

[feral topaz]

You can install the updated version from github

[slow karma]

And the ability to blow someone's head up with mY MIND

[manic needle]

[laughs in Mozilla Firefox]

[slow karma]

The power fantasy is right there

[lethal plover]

that latter got nerfed so yeah

[true shadow]

sorry can't hear you over my invulnerability frames and immense speed because im zealot

[austere estuary]

oh nice

[slow karma]

Stop thinking "power fantasy" means "I'm an invincible killing machine"

[austere estuary]

who is thinking that lmao

that's such a leap

[slow karma]

anyone complaining about the peril blocking change really

[true shadow]

you have a very warped definition of power fantasy

[austere estuary]

^

[true shadow]

i have never felt powerful as a psyker

[slow karma]

I sure do

[true shadow]

the entire time i am struggling to survive and thrive

[cyan notch]

skill issue probs

[lethal plover]

that implies both survival and damage advantage
Psyker really only needs one of them to be not worst

[ornate hamlet]

peril blocking is for chumps who waste time picking up bots that kill themselves less than 1 minute after you revive them

[true shadow]

oh no i do well

[cyan notch]

i mean u say ur struggling to survive so idk if that counts as doing well

[slow karma]

The problem is what you're looking for is out of place.

[true shadow]

blood

[slow karma]

You're not supposed to be a one-man disaster traipsing through missions

[true shadow]

im comparing to my zealot

and veteran

[slow karma]

Which means they need looking at frankly

[austere estuary]

literally nobody is saying or expecting "one-man disaster traipsing through missions"

[slow karma]

What exactly do you think Psyker can get that they have?

[true shadow]

well psyker could do with not constantly losing damage and survivability to nerfs

[cyan notch]

i stand by what i said if ur struggling to survive the entire timeits probably a skill issue

[true shadow]

when i am literally unkillable as a chainsword 1h zealot

[true shadow]

its an exaggeration. stop taking it literally

its descriptive language

[slow karma]

That doesn't answer the question

They have plenty of damage, it's just not spike damage

[true shadow]

sure it does. psykers keep getting nerfs to survivability.

[slow karma]

Their survival is probably the part of them that's SUPPOSED to be weak

They're space wizards, you're supposed to not be in the thick of it

[ornate hamlet]

only half of the class specific weapons are any good at all

[slow karma]

Yes, which is a weapon balance issue

Not a psyker issue

[austere estuary]

what

[lethal plover]

if you are referring to the wizard archetype, that archetype has damage superiority. not where psyker is at.

[ornate hamlet]

they're CLASS SPECIFIC

[true shadow]

what the fuck lol

[austere estuary]

"half of the class specific weapons are weak is not a class issue"

[slow karma]

The psyker itself plays just fine, you don't even need it's spec weapons to perform

[austere estuary]

lmao

[true shadow]

oh my god

[austere estuary]

what am I reading

[slow karma]

Fuck sake, stop and listen you clowns

[true shadow]

no you

lol

[cyan notch]

what exactly are these survivability nerfs

[slow karma]

The spec weapons being off kilter is valid, and I'm agreeing with you

but the class isn't in any fucking danger of being considered bad by anyone. They just need balance tweaks to their kit more than the others

[true shadow]

will point out specifics in 40m or so

[austere estuary]

this has me giggling so much each time I look at it

[slow karma]

And zealots need a fucking nerf :V

[true shadow]

break over

[lethal plover]

wizard is low survival and high damage. psyker is low survival and low damage. But high in control. which makes it sound more like a bard or support archetype.

maybe we are the crummy bard

[austere estuary]

or even spoony

[slow karma]

And you know what the problem with that is? It's not considering the future specs that have to lean into things like how much survival or how much damage output and what kind the class gets

Control is one of Psykinetics things

Which makes sense when you think about it

but with it being all the psyker has it's not nearly as appealing

Which is completely fair

[lethal plover]

none of us are discussing future jobs. you are being weirdly defensive by bringing that up tbh

[slow karma]

I'm just trying to not actively be short-sighted

[austere estuary]

That and talking about the hypothetical future specs given Fatshark's current pacing and delivery is uh

[lethal plover]

well yeah we can only see

[slow karma]

Who cares about their pacing, they have to give them to us eventually.

[austere estuary]

let's just say I'd judge the game for where it's at now

[slow karma]

And I'm not willing to homogenize anything before we have other ways to fill out a team

I'm fine with where psyker is right now. You don't have to agree

[austere estuary]

Wait, did you really ask, "Who cares about their pacing" regarding Fatshark and this game

[slow karma]

It was rhetorical

I don't expect shitall in a timely fashion.

But that's what I signed up for because I know how they work and how sick the game is on a base level

If I wasn't willing to wait them out, I'd never have got this shit

[lethal plover]

that means you have a well of goodwill that is not yet emptied

[slow karma]

Kind of? I'll call Fatshark a slut to their faces without hesitation if I feel like it

But They still make games I enjoy greatly. So It gets them some patience from me

[cyan notch]

pausing of passive quelling is not a big deal at all people are acting like u cant block now

[slow karma]

My feedback is out there. I can't keep parroting it like that's going to help

All it does is irritate people. Myself included

[cyan notch]

sure you cant afk in a corner woo

is that the bar we are setting for survival

[manic needle]

I never really used peril blocking to hard tank anything tbh, its almost always rezzing, getting out of a flank, or moving to cover/advancing on gunners

[slow karma]

to be fair you never could with a daemonhost

[manic needle]

If I can still do that then Im fine with whatever changes

[slow karma]

But nothing else could take your peril up so high it didn't just keep draining constantly

[cyan notch]

you could with the right setup

[slow karma]

Well I mean just soaking the hits

You could if you kite it a bit and give yourself time to quell

[manic needle]

As long as this new toughness regen isn't bugged or about to be nerfed into the ground, I really am considering giving Kinetic Shield another shot though

[cyan notch]

no you literally could hold block with the right setup

[slow karma]

I never saw that done so that's even more reason to kill it lmao

[austere estuary]

it's pretty nice, especially if you already play at high peril a lot

[lethal plover]

what is the delay for peril regen now after blocking

[slow karma]

That's so cracked lmao

[austere estuary]

and with fewer ways to get more damage now, getting more of the 15% from the other feat is also more worthwhile

man though I sure miss trauma epicentre for 800+

[cyan notch]

yea and i miss surge hitting for 1k on flak

both bugs

[austere estuary]

obligatory reminder that combos existing in fighting games started as a bug

[lethal plover]

wasn't it 500~600 ?

[austere estuary]

w/ 6 charges + 5 stacks of executor, 800+

power % bonuses great for trauma

[lethal plover]

oh the weapon thing

I am okay without it. it seems unfair tbh

[cyan notch]

i miss infinite purg at 100% without quelling too