psyker-class

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, doesn't matter how good your naruto run is, if there's a Vindicator shell coming your way, you will stop existing.

Yeah, this is why lore-wise the Shuriken/Splinter weapons used by the Aeldari are so deadly, just basically a watergun of razorblades. No need to aim, just hose down the area and it'll find all the weakspots for you

[woeful pebble]

thoughts?

[teal kite]

is that 40% damage to Crushers?

[woeful pebble]

crushers are carapice

[hot zephyr]

Reroll that ranged damage to +5% to crit chance and you're in business

[teal kite]

Arent they both?

[woeful pebble]

no

[woeful pebble]

ty

[woeful pebble]

Unyielding are Reapers, Bullwarks and the monstrosities

[hot zephyr]

The quell speed is a little low, so you'll have to watch your peril a little more but high warp resist means you'll just generate slightly less peril anyways

[teal kite]

I hoped to do more damage to crushers I hate them the most lmao

[woeful pebble]

was wondering more about the blessings combination, seems like a nice combo

[hot zephyr]

The best you can do is 10% to elites + 20% to carapace

[teal kite]

Thats my sword

[woeful pebble]

25% carapice

ah

[teal kite]

deflector has saved me when caught with my pants down so many times

[woeful pebble]

my bad, I get it now

[hot zephyr]

That's a great combo, the supression will help in tight spaces and warp nexus is BIS for nexus

[hot zephyr]

Sword is kinda the wrong weapon to be going after crushers with. as a psyker you should just be BBing them

[teal kite]

It kills them so quick tho and sometimes if ones too close the sword is faster

[hot zephyr]

Sword + activate is really meant for mid-tier elites like ragers

[teal kite]

the force sword activate attack, interrupts the enemies attack

[hot zephyr]

Yes, in a pinch it's fine, but BB is ideal since it bypasses the armour

[teal kite]

so crusher cant even hit you

[hot zephyr]

Crusher packs on Damnation come in groups of 2-3 frequently

You can't fight them in melee in a pack like that

[teal kite]

yeah on that id be more careful. I cant ever find a team for Damnnation so ive only done it once

[hot zephyr]

On Heresy, you can finish them in melee fine, and on Malice and lower you just annhilate them anyways cus they are like a two shot with BB or less

But yeah on Heresy or Damnation a crusher/bulwark pack is no joke

[teal kite]

oh ya the bulwark always bodyblocks well

[austere estuary]

unless you have a trauma staff

😄

[hot zephyr]

BACK IN THE CORNER TRAUMA STAFF DAVE! NO ONE CALLED YOUR NAME! 😛

[austere estuary]

lmao

I actually tabbed over to post the most tragic purgatus

1% off

I really wanted to test run n gun on this too

but melk wants all that currency for it

[teal kite]

hows block effeciency with force sword with deflector?

[fringe garden]

It's pretty great

[hardy socket]

i'm playing right now and i'm seein the surge and purgatus bein kinda situational compared to the voidstrike

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I'd put either block eff, flak or maniacs

[wanton cove]

I wish I could use VS well but I am bad with aim and playing on low graphics until I upgrade lol

[silver pagoda]

both are better with a good team, if your teammates are fish brained then void is good generalist weapon

[hot zephyr]

Given you locked carapace, I'd say 25% to flak is actually best, gives you an anti-armour sword

[wanton cove]

Although void is useable throughout all difficulties

[hardy socket]

does purgatus also drop the framerate for anyone else?

[wanton cove]

Surprisingly no for me. Although again. Low graphics lol

[hot zephyr]

If you are used to the void yeah, surge is gunna feel brain numbing and fustrating cus dumb teammates think you're frying everything with lightning, not just stunning it for them to mop up

[silver pagoda]

exactly, surge is insanely good if your team knows to kill things you are shocking

[orchid shadow]

So we're some sort of Suicide Squad.

[cyan notch]

+1 stamina is slightly better for blocking if you wanna spec into that

[silver pagoda]

imo better to have +3 stamina and block efficiency on curios, leave damage increases to weapons

I mean, 1 curio with +3 stamina, other 2 with health or toughness

[fallow spoke]

bro melk is so stupid

[hot zephyr]

Aren't the stam curios bugged or something?

[cyan notch]

well theyre bugged and only give 1 stam anyway so kinda not that great

[silver pagoda]

lol, well still I'd rather have the stam on curio than weapon

[cyan notch]

i wouldnt but up to you

[hardy socket]

god i fucking love checking every hour and not seeing one staff

i absoloutely adore having to gamble to get a better weapon

[alpine portal]

one day we will have crafting

[tame jolt]

how good is this?

[manic needle]

Looks good to me, hopefully they eventually patch Warp Flurry to work with Surge staff

[hot zephyr]

Disgustingly good. If you don't own it, buy immediately and reroll the unarmoured to carapace then laugh

[proud mantle]

does this mean max of 2% or max of 10% with stacks then

[hot zephyr]

10% total

[raw heath]

that text doesnt explain too well lol

[manic needle]

Literally all of Darktide

[raw heath]

aint wrong

"max of 2%, but also stacks 5 times"

[still hearth]

Crucian Roulette

[silver pagoda]

another funny wording, if you look at the staff details on critical bonus is says "melee attacks" get the bonus

[still hearth]

[karmic surge]

he owns it, he bought it as a green and maxed it

[raw heath]

some staffs can melee... but i doubt it means that

[silver pagoda]

yeah it works on ranged attacks, they just have no ability to accurately say what things do

[raw heath]

you'd think the people who made the game also made another similar game before

[austere estuary]

this is excellent

warp res is very close to meaningless

and a lot of the time literally means nothing

not because of any bugs, just a combination of it not affecting charge up peril gain and that you will be usually walling into 100% and therefore 'chopping off' the majority of the peril gain and far more than you'd be saving as well

[teal kite]

this worth getting?

[austere estuary]

the only downside of that staff is warp flurry doesn't seem to do much for it atm if at all

[teal kite]

20% hp is sweet

[austere estuary]

I'd say this is v good

[teal kite]

extra HP always good

[austere estuary]

gunner damage res and block efficiency with health are useful

[teal kite]

god I hate gunners

stunlocked=ded

[austere estuary]

could just use as is if you buy a lot of things, or roll the dockets off

[teal kite]

imma roll dockets off

for corruption resistence

[austere estuary]

could put toughness or more hp again

corruption res is.... eeeeeehh

afaik it only works on the buildup over time portion

rather than the big chunk you get

if thinking grims

[teal kite]

okay

[austere estuary]

health always helps v corruption though

and has the added benefit of always helping vs death in general

[teal kite]

what should I try to get

[austere estuary]

health, toughness, ability regen spring to mind

[teal kite]

hows this one? I got it as a drop a while back

[austere estuary]

oof

not so hot

[orchid shadow]

Oooh, only thing that could make that worse is +%exp

[austere estuary]

main roll could be 3, toughness 5 nice secondary but curio is ??? and poxhound damage seems negligible anyway

[teal kite]

yeah its garbo I thought

got this from the one I bought during rerolls

[austere estuary]

reroll till you get a max roll of something that you want

it gets cheaper each time and eventually free

so then you can basically just roll till you get what you want

oh no

you ever think you've bought an item

but actually forgot to or got distracted and only realise when it's not in your inventory?

[orchid nest]

to be fair, it should be that, but you know.. fatshark https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-weapon-blessings-that-stack-based-on-peril-use-wrong-threshold-values/72325

[austere estuary]

that's what happened to this

[orchid nest]

unfortunately realistically right now anyone should only ever expect 2 stacks of nexus

[austere estuary]

what why

[orchid nest]

see that link. the 5th stack appears to not even exist and 2 of the stacks are both at 97 for some reason

[austere estuary]

[north cradle]

I would like to thank @blazing oak and @west stream for their noble sacrifices in the pursuit of GOWAB

[austere estuary]

warp nexus is the crit one, need to do some tallying I guess

[orchid nest]

I suppose it's also possible that you always have at least 1 stack in which case expect 3, but that wouldn't follow his testing with unstable power

[north cradle]

All that's left is another twelve missions

[cyan notch]

unstable power doesnt have a a listed stack limit so technically 4 isnt wrong

[orchid nest]

he shows his work in there, the damage increases for it follow the peril thresholds set in the code

[cyan notch]

i know ive seen it the 3rd tier and 4th tier are overlapping

[orchid nest]

yeah

[cyan notch]

so youre just missing the 3rd tier of +9% damage

but you still get the "intended" maximum of 12%

[orchid nest]

the two overlapping tiers of 97% aren't realistic to maintain though unless you are just like riding the precise line on bbs for it or something

I wasn't trying to say they don't exist at all just rather you won't be getting them the vast majority of the time

it should increase in like 15% tiers instead or something

[cyan notch]

i know i just have a bone to pick with the "they are supposed to stack 5 times" line

[lethal folio]

It's weird as plasma gun has a different table with normal values

[stray pond]

Melk this is an interesting sword you brought me

[orchid nest]

I think he is only referring to warp nexus with that line but maybe I misread it

[stray pond]

Oops all cleave

[lethal folio]

0.2,0.5,0.8,0.97

[desert lance]

What do people mean when they say Stamina is bugged?

[cyan notch]

well only warp nexus has the 5 stack wording but he lumped them together cuz they are "supposed" to function the same since they both scale with peril

[orchid nest]

Oh yeah I see now, you're right he does say 5 for unstable

[lethal folio]

Curio +Stamina always only gives +1 stamina.

[desert lance]

So, 1, 2, and 3, all give 1?

[manic needle]

Disgraceful tbh

[orchid nest]

it could just be you have one base stack of nexus too like I said kind of like how psykinetics wrath always gives you 5%. in that case expect 3 realistically

it's the two 97 ones that are the real problem. so weird

must be a leftover from that patch the day or so after the pre order beta launch when the BB threshold was all messed up and they "fixed" it

[austere estuary]

okay

I just

shot a reaper in the face 200 times

with a voidstrike staff

for science

[orchid nest]

[austere estuary]

waiting between each shot to keep it at 99 peril

warp nexus lvl 1 for 10% in theory

5% base

I crit 31 times out of 200

you get the full amount

I've tested shred previously (checking how many stacks we actually get via cleave etc, first hit, second hit, so on)

[orchid nest]

you'd have to test the other thresholds I guess, that would support the you start at one stack theory

[austere estuary]

and that also gives the right amount

well I don't really care much about 1 stack

I play at high peril as much as possible

[orchid nest]

the main problem is if two of the stacks are at 97% they are still functionally not very useable the majority of the time

[austere estuary]

slingshotting to abuse quell momentum & the wall of 100%

very usable

[stray pond]

I just scrolled down in Melk's shop and MMMM this is fuckin' tempting

[manic needle]

More usable on a force weapon with slower passive quell, at least

[orchid nest]

not for purg and surge at least. it's a liability for your team to stay that high and have to quell because they are depending on your cc

[stray pond]

T4 Blazing Spirit, I want it

[austere estuary]

oh boy

I'd take it just for holding to extract

[austere estuary]

absolutely for purg

[stray pond]

Exactly what I'm thinking

[austere estuary]

you actually minimise quell time

by running at high peril

[stray pond]

Yoinked it. Thanks Melk.

[austere estuary]

and only doing very short quells

let me find a video I posted earlier...

[orchid nest]

the problem isn't that you can't make it work it's that having to quell can translate into damage your team takes so it isn't optimal to camp that high for some minor bonus

[austere estuary]

you fire more frequently overall

because you're actually reducing peril intake

[cyan notch]

for purg is fine since you can keep flaming at 100%

[austere estuary]

if you quell yourself low you are maximising your peril generation

this is true of every staff except for void with peril transfer

if you quell all the way down, you spend more time quelling overall

because you are creating (and quelling) more peril

[stray pond]

Ah damn got a T1 blessing but Rampage is nice, so

[orchid nest]

I disagree I guess, you're discounting the small quell windows as not existing but that is when people will get hit. it's not bad to stay high, but staying at 97% and above isn't great imo

[cyan notch]

but for the others idk cuz if the crit is at cast time (which will likely be below 97) then youre not going over 97

[austere estuary]

no

there are two factors

[manic needle]

My question is how long you have to be in combat to notice an appreciable difference

[austere estuary]

I pre-built peril sometimes, but yes you will be

[orchid nest]

this could be yeah

[austere estuary]

but the two mechanics mean this is not really a disagreement matter

one is that when you start a quell, it builds momentum

but that doesn't stop when you let go

and it doesn't stop when you start casting eitehr

[orchid nest]

yeah, you quell to a certain amount and it takes a moment for it to "catch up". that's seen with everything, even exorcist and stuff

[austere estuary]

when you quell so that you go down to ~80%, if you do a full charge, it will finish charging at about 95 or so %, and then you cast - the cast literally can only cost 5% at that point, because of the hard wall

so you have magically deleted like 10-20% more peril

without spending the time to actually quell it

because you've been casting

and if you do a shorter quell, this also works for when you know you aren't going to do a full charge

you do a very brief quell to about 91% and then charge and fire

so long as you're not literally at 100% you're fine when you click left after charging

this way, you are deleting a lot of peril without spending the time to quell

while also getting the very most from quell momentum

[orchid nest]

I understand it can be more peril efficient but there is that on paper stuff and then there is the "i'm at 95% peril without psykinetics wrath up and I need to keep staggering the horde and also now need to spam left click to stagger a group of ragers" real experience

[austere estuary]

that's what dodging, F, and knowing waht you're doing in advance is for

but even if you quell all the way to 70

you'll still functionally be operating at near max on most casts

a lot of it becomes muscle memory - it's very doable

[orchid nest]

dodging doesn't do much for your team, that's not even my point. you still take on the CC role with purg, it's just less than surge

[austere estuary]

???

you said you need to spam left click to stagger a rager

either it's on you and you need it that urgently, and dodging works and you keep maximising how much you're doing for the team, or it's not, and you can continue doing what you need to

[orchid nest]

a group of ragers actually but yeah. it's ok, I should have specified I guess. most of the time it's a group coming in that you are ccing for your team, not yourself

[austere estuary]

but the long and short of it is - if you quell all the way down, you are spending more time quelling and less time casting - left clicks, right clicks, whatever

it's easier to quell down

[manic needle]

Quelling takes on an important role in quietude builds though, so I wouldnt say it's always optimal.

[austere estuary]

but then that's teh whole point of blessings and feats that push you and further benefit you to ride high peril

[austere estuary]

true, I like quietude - though it's not the only way you can fit it in

[cyan notch]

i dont think anyone quells all the way down in a middle of a fight or has time to

[austere estuary]

e.g. hit max, swap to non force weapon

smash ssomething

get passive quietude while also gaining from melee

switch back

[manic needle]

I agree, I was going to say something to that effect but I wanted to see how this convo played out lol

[austere estuary]

etc

[manic needle]

Most of the time youre going to intuitively quell down to do whatever you need to do in the moment

because combat is fast paced

[orchid nest]

I'm not even disagreeing that being highish peril can't help just that I don't see the point of being 97% for some on paper gain that can lead to you needing to quell more when you need to not be quelling

[austere estuary]

the 97% thing for top bonus to me is the max risk max reward - you really need to be on your game to consistently get it

I'm okay with that

[atomic dagger]

Lucky me :3

[austere estuary]

very nice!

has anyone seen deflector t4 yet btw? not seen anyone post one

[atomic dagger]

anything better than melee crit chance for perk?

[orchid nest]

the gain is minimal though for the risk. it should just be 15% tiers for nexus. 15, 30, 45, 60, 75

[cyan notch]

well it really only works with purg

[austere estuary]

?? how so?

works for trauma too

[atomic dagger]

nope

[manic needle]

Ive seen it posted, my best is T3 though

[austere estuary]

good to know it exists

[manic needle]

Honestly Im not going to quibble over 3% effectiveness either

[austere estuary]

though I bet it'll be from rebless for most of us

[austere estuary]

I wish that the feats worked this way though

[cyan notch]

ive seen 12% posted here a couple times

[austere estuary]

rather than literally sliding scale to 100 after the minimum

[orchid nest]

yeah it's 12%, I have one

[austere estuary]

I hope it does start at 1 stack now, though thinking about it

[atomic dagger]

damn ... i need to totally rebuild my character based on the sword i got
its just too good not to use it

[orchid nest]

it was 15% but they nerfed it silently on the official release

[austere estuary]

but would imagine from that post it starts at 0

[stray pond]

I've got a T2 Deflector but that's my best sadly

[austere estuary]

and double stacks at the top

[cyan notch]

the post doesnt know if it starts from 0

[stray pond]

I got this earlier today but I don't know if I can even be bothered to upgrade it

[austere estuary]

but it does specify two at the same value

so we can make a good guess

oh wait

4 in total though

I see I see

[cyan notch]

and thats 4 thresholds not 5

[austere estuary]

oh that's kinda neat then

doesn't seem intentional but I like it

[orchid nest]

yeah that's what started my you start at 1 stack speculation but that's all it really is

[atomic dagger]

has anyone a soulblaze Force Blade build ?

[austere estuary]

bigger gain for bigger risk at the end

if it's 2 stacks for the 97%

[cyan notch]

if u have a fs with identical damage and first target as another one with unstable peril you could test it

[austere estuary]

like "alright you with the brass neck"

at t4 nexus that'd 10% be

game keeps spitting good mk 12 at me

one refresh before was

[cyan notch]

i like max ammo

[austere estuary]

I vaguely rank ammo above mobility

but the other 3 a good jump above

[orchid nest]

yeah they keep giving me good guns too

that reminds me, I didn't check melk yet. time for more guns

well, the regular armoury first..

[manic needle]

I saw a Force Staff in Melk's inventory for the first time in days

[cyan notch]

having no ammo is kinda lame especially 30-40% i wouldnt even consider those

[manic needle]

319 Purgatus with Run 'n' Gun and Warp Flurry lol

[weary arrow]

what Mk. of dueling sword do you guys prefer?

[atomic dagger]

run n gun? does it work on staff?

[orchid nest]

melk actually has a 363 surge for me but it has a t2 blessing

and also it's terrifying barrage

[manic needle]

I dont use Purgatus enough to comment on it, specifically, but on staffs like surge it literally only affects the left click attack

[orchid nest]

I think for purg it's just left click too

[manic needle]

Sounds about par for the course, so many useless staff blessings =/

[atomic dagger]

thanks fatshark

[rocky cedar]

So many useless blessings FTFY

[atomic dagger]

whats the most important stat on purg staff? burn?

[orchid nest]

and cloud radius

[manic needle]

Burn + radius are the two most important

Burn youre looking for 76%+, radius get as high as possible

Actually, are there any benefits for Burn% above 76?

I seem to remember looking at one with 80% burn and not seeing a stat difference, but I havent checked in a while

[orchid nest]

maybe extremely minimal tick rate increase, but I don't have two that close to compare

[manic needle]

As long as the points arent just literally wasted I'm satisfied

[orchid nest]

this chainsword on melk isn't bad but I have a decent one already

[atomic dagger]

Not really happy with any of these. But what would you take for now? Siblings help

[left basin]

is there a pamch

[atomic dagger]

how do you get this format? 😮

[manic needle]

4 is a bit cut off on the left

[left basin]

3?

[manic needle]

From what I can see Id do 3 or 4

[orchid nest]

yeah 3 or 4, agree

[atomic dagger]

whoops!^
its 60 dmg and 79 cloud

[manic needle]

That seems good, TB is worse than nexus but its still a decent staff

Someone who uses purgatus more than I do should comment on whether the increased radius or crit % from Nexus matter more

[atomic dagger]

i never eally put a lot of thoughts into surge staff

So i just bought and put them away what looked kinda ok

[orchid nest]

infested is probably better overall than unarmored too depending on what next perk you get that you may want to replace instead

[atomic dagger]

not sure if i want to gamble craft any of these

okay, thanks everyone
guess i will go with 3

[orchid nest]

yeah it's kind of hard for me to quantify without testing them, they feel like potential sidegrades to me

[atomic dagger]

guess it depends: if you have a single target dmg focused team then maybe radius is better to compensate and vice versa?

[blazing oak]

@west stream @north cradle actual freaking legends helping get going out with bang

[north cradle]

And getting it ourselves

[orchid nest]

can you tell me the difference in radius by inspecting them both?

[atomic dagger]

the 3:

the 4:

[orchid nest]

man the max range, how nice would it be to be able to get a 100% one with 17.5

the radius and range difference is pretty good actually. i'm actually leaning more towards 4 now since the 3 warp nexus is t1

[atomic dagger]

or a blessing with increased range

need to have a staff in each hand

[orchid nest]

dual wield

[austere estuary]

if there was any dual wield I'd like it'd be ogryn with dual shields

and let ogryn hold shield up while charging and just explode any horde schmucks into red mist if it hits instead of knocking out the way

[orchid nest]

actually looking over it again, maybe 2 if you're forgoing nexus anyways. let me see

oh wait nm thats right, 2 doesn't reach the last burn stack

unfortunate

[austere estuary]

grats on clearing it 😄

it's actually a fun thing to try with non-randoms

[orchid nest]

that would be hilarious

[atomic dagger]

Saruman Style

[orchid nest]

it would have been cool if they did duelling sword and laspistol like victors setup

[austere estuary]

we can dream

[austere estuary]

Gandalf breakin it down

[orchid nest]

[austere estuary]

let me be the breakdance psyker

sweep away hordes with my sick moves

[atomic dagger]

dance battle nurgle

[austere estuary]

blow their minds the old fashioned way

step up to a plague ogryn like

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-dance-off-chris-pratt-gif-14607309

[alpine portal]

yah... umm just because im using void staff does not mean I can kill all the shooters... sorry vet your gonna have to use some of that super limited ammo on the XII to help unless you want to whipe

[hot zephyr]

Late here but I would actually take #2 I think.

[atomic dagger]

huuuu
im confused

[frigid burrow]

Any pro strats for doing the penance where you push 7 guys off a ledge at once? so far I'm trying on the smelter restart mission at the last stage where you just defend but the F ability push range is kinda small

[manic needle]

Use Force Sword push alongside your special

[frigid burrow]

Ok will give it a try ty

[fierce sinew]

several of the ship extractions are good for this

[atomic dagger]

not 100% but ithink lore wise the plaque ogryn should participate

[fierce sinew]

the water purification torrent one for example, you can walk around the side of the ship, put your back to it, block for a while until guys pile up, and push them off

[wet jacinth]

[floral solstice]

the bridges in vigil station's last area are thin enough to yeet hordes easily

[manic needle]

You can also just do it during the final event of Silo cluster

It features large groups of melee enemies crossing narrow bridges over a giant death pit in order to reach you

[hot zephyr]

I value the quell speed and the minor drop in damage won't matter because burn controls the stacks maximum which should be the same.

[atomic dagger]

isnt the blessing bugged or something on 2?

[manic needle]

71 burn doesnt hit max stacks

[weary arrow]

what Mk. of dueling sword do you guys prefer?

[long wharf]

okay guys, since the vet channel is shit, what do I reroll on this?

[manic needle]

Bottom, right?

[vernal portal]

Are duelling swords worth it or stick with the axe?

[manic needle]

Groaners and poxwalkers arent really what you should be targeting with plasma

[long wharf]

true

question is - is crit chance worthwhile?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but I'm not really caring about that. 70% burn is plenty enough damage stacks and the balanced other stats will feel nice handling wise.

[manic needle]

Maybe, I dont have a lot of experience but I imagine you might also get some use out of Unyielding/Flak

[manic needle]

Id stick with Mk.5 CAxe generally but that's always been my go-to non-FS option

[north cradle]

Axe

[vernal portal]

@manic needle Any specific blessing?

[manic needle]

Brutal Momentum and Limbsplitter

[floral solstice]

i'd say elite damage or just damage on whatever specific elite you want to hit, just test some breakpoints

[long wharf]

of course, it's not like plasgun is decent anyways

it's a funsies gun

[floral solstice]

my source for my advice is: i never use plasgun and just suggesting the usual rolls for lasgun

[north cradle]

The second one of course

Try to get Reload Speed

[blazing oak]

Thanks, it was extremely cathartic to finally get it and the 2nd hood after like 80 hours since I got the first hood

[royal wraith]

8% on groaners ofc, you one hit them anyway

[orchid nest]

it's not really cut and dry unfortunately, these are all viable reasons to use these different ones

[royal wraith]

having a stage 4 perk on a weapon is already good enough, but that one is especially good

[north cradle]

Yeh, Plasma Rifle has a reduced penalty against Carapace, right?

[royal wraith]

not too sure, but more damage against carapace is incredibly useful on heresy and above, also quite good on malice already

all the scab ragers, maulers and crushers

[north cradle]

For weapons that benefit the most from it

[royal wraith]

which are the ones you mostly lose time on when trying to kill em if you dont have a psyker

[north cradle]

Force Swords, Boltguns, Plasma Rifles, Kickback(?)

[royal wraith]

havent really bothered with it on force swords since i SUCC the soul out of them anyway

[north cradle]

Also Eviscerator and Power Maul yeh

[royal wraith]

imagine using evicerator

this post was made by combat axe gang

does armor piercing damage and you can just use flame staff or flamer for everything else

[long wharf]

combat axe + surge staff = best combo

[royal wraith]

surge is gigapog

actual teamplay staff

i use the force sword with it, quite peril dependant ofc but works quite well

[digital narwhal]

I wonder when we're gonna get that Two Handed (maybe) Force Sword we saw in the Psyker Spotlight.

[royal wraith]

i want it now

[digital narwhal]

Me too.

[blazing oak]

Give me polearms

#endswordsupremacy

[royal wraith]

actually

[royal wraith]

mate

you had me excited

do you mean this

[digital narwhal]

No

[royal wraith]

thank god

cause i cant find another two handed one in the trailer

[blazing oak]

I just hope they expand force weapons to things other than swords

[west stream]

Force spear

[austere estuary]

I want force pyjamas

[manic needle]

Pretty sure there's a paid cosmetic for that :x

[royal wraith]

[blazing oak]

Serious comment here, swords are extremely overrated

[royal wraith]

thats just a heavy sword chief

[digital narwhal]

Is it?

Fuck

[royal wraith]

yes

[austere estuary]

hmmmmm

[blazing oak]

[digital narwhal]

Why'd they show it off in the Psyker Spotlight then when we can't even use it?

[austere estuary]

wonder how thrust does stacks, like during one charge, or sequential charges

[royal wraith]

pretty sure we can tho

[digital narwhal]

I've never seen a Heavy Sword in the shop in my 100 hours of playing Psyker.

[royal wraith]

maybe im dented but its 100% not a force sword

[austere estuary]

no heavy sword for psyker atm

[hexed inlet]

Heavy sword is zealot only

[cyan notch]

we dont have heavy swords lol

[royal wraith]

no funny contraption on the hilt

[digital narwhal]

I still think we should get a Heavy Force Sword though

It'd be cool

[blazing oak]

Cooler if it was something else

[austere estuary]

ooooh

[blazing oak]

Tons of axes and swords already

[austere estuary]

thrust IS based on just one attack

[digital narwhal]

Force Pike?

[cyan notch]

force shovel

[austere estuary]

full length charge is full 15% power

[digital narwhal]

Also, I wish they'd update the Force Staffs to have their own Unique Actions instead of just having Staff Strike

[blazing oak]

Yeah the stacking stuff is who knows

[digital narwhal]

[blazing oak]

So lightning be what? Bolt that no stun but bounces for higher damage?

[royal wraith]

they probably changed it, its just straight up a turtolsky mk6 heavy sword

you can tell by the hand guard

[digital narwhal]

Probably something like Smite, yeah

[royal wraith]

another angle

[digital narwhal]

:(

[royal wraith]

i cry too

really wanted a two handed warp S U C C

[blazing oak]

Forgive the falchion in there, but look at these other options

[royal wraith]

FORCE MACE

[blazing oak]

So like two handed force maul? Two handed force glaive? Those can succ

[digital narwhal]

A Force Halberd would be cool

Any form of Force Polearm

[blazing oak]

Halberd yes

Halberd favorite weapon

[royal wraith]

man idk, but something two handed

idk what itd even do differently

[austere estuary]

man this axe is so weird

[royal wraith]

slower but more damage? higher damage but more peril per use?

[austere estuary]

even with 15% more damage on heavy charge

it wrecks somethings but does trash compared to lights on others

[royal wraith]

you leave my baby mk8 axe alone

[austere estuary]

like look at it blast a dog into next life

[royal wraith]

youre not wrong tho, the sweep attack on the heavy pattern is kinda

[austere estuary]

and then on like a trapper or whatever

a light beats the heavies?

[royal wraith]

damnation difficulty testing, yes?

[austere estuary]

yea

alwasy

[royal wraith]

(i usually test on malice so dawg only has 900)

then again, makes sense

[blazing oak]

Does force sword do more damage to daemon enemies

Aka bosses

[royal wraith]

if you have a perk for it, probably

otherwise not that im aware

[blazing oak]

Nooo

That’s not lore accurate!

[royal wraith]

does a ton on succesful weakspot hit tho

Traitor captain? YOINK whoops there goes 1/4 of your shield

bit exagerrated but it still does a lot to them

[blazing oak]

Yeah

[royal wraith]

maybe 6 or 7 charged hits on malice

dunno about damnation, i was sitting behind the zealot cosplaying as the senate

surge staff my beloved

[digital narwhal]

Force Halberd:
4 Hit Light String - > Thrust > Thrust > Thrust > Strikedown
2 Hit Heavy String - Sweep > Sweep

Unique Action - Warp Slash
Charge your weapon with Warp Energy, and the next time you make an attack, it launches a wave of Warp energy matching the type of attack that initiated the Warp Slash. (Sweep would launch a wave, whereas Thrust would launch a bolt)

That's what I want from a Force Halberd.

[austere estuary]

huh, so for some reason, this axe just does garbage damage against trapper and rager

but not tox flamer or mutant

despite all being maniac

[long wharf]

which axe are you testing?

[royal wraith]

making me feel funny

[blazing oak]

So like the special thrust would warp hit multiple enemies in front of you deeper into the horde while the heavy is a sweep warp hit

[cyan notch]

yea i noticed that too

[royal wraith]

the axe is racist

[digital narwhal]

Thrust would launch a longer range bolt of energy, and Sweep would launch a shorter range but wide wave of energy.

[royal wraith]

[floral solstice]

"Understood, we can't do that though because it's immeasurably complex, instead you get this cool cosmetic that costs aquilas"

[blazing oak]

So like the Zelda master sword

[digital narwhal]

Never played Zelda, but sure

[manic needle]

Oh boy, I can't wait to see how tall they made the Psyker's neck brace this time!

[floral solstice]

We heard you guys wanted crafting, so here's some perfectly-crafted pair of striped pants

[blazing oak]

When at full hp the master sword in Zelda games would have a ranged attack

[blazing oak]

My theory is that they won’t add crafting until the rest of the game is better because if they add any crafting that makes the pursuit of loot easier, players will reach that loot faster and therefore will realize there is no endgame after that and they will leave

Also: Mourningstar-pattern Morningstar weapon when

[austere estuary]

mk V, VIII and II are the only combat axes right?

[honest knoll]

yes but there's also tactical axes

[royal wraith]

ye, rest is tactical axes

[royal wraith]

we are one mind, one soul

[honest knoll]

but also joke answer is that mk V axe is the only real axe 🙂

[royal wraith]

what do the other two classify as?

mk8 is fire brigade axe

?

[honest knoll]

the other 2 classify as poopoo bad stinky garbage

and the tactical axes classify as a funny joke

the emperor's little gag gifts

[scarlet bear]

i remember doing a mission as a psycher and i got a gift of a pistol was like what should i do with this XD

[honest knoll]

laspistol or revolver?

[austere estuary]

tac axes kinda rock though

[scarlet bear]

revolver

[austere estuary]

all that crit and that speed

can also get good blessings

[honest knoll]

Revolver slaps, I've actually been running a revolver psyker build that really works for my playstyle

[scarlet bear]

like why would i use a gun when i can lessen the ammo burden on my team with a staf....

staff

[austere estuary]

fun

but yes

not needing ammo is a big bonus

for the team as a whole

[scarlet bear]

i been hearing rumors of asub classes

but idk if that true or not

[honest knoll]

I've heard that too, datamined stuff

[cloud heron]

What's considered a class feature vs a subclass feature? do we know?

[scarlet bear]

the psycher one makes me kinda excited if its real

i mean you can look it up their been dataminded stuff floating around

[honest knoll]

can you elaborate pls, I do not know what that means

[scarlet bear]

apprantly

basically have you played verminetide?

[cloud heron]

Like what will the psyker classes share?

[orchid nest]

both flamer and mutant take 3x melee dmg

[austere estuary]

aaaah

[scarlet bear]

in verminetide all the classes get new abilities and stuff in that game

[orchid nest]

this link is pretty useful for that - https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI/layout/grid

[cloud heron]

So it's just thematic basically?

[scarlet bear]

kind of yes

like the archer in vermintide can become a sister of throns

which make it more of a elf druid

[honest knoll]

yea I mean I don't really think there's anything that's the same across classes if it's gonna be the same as VT2

[lethal folio]

Things like health, toughness, and dodge will be shared.

basic stuff

[cloud heron]

Do we know if they need a new character slot?

[lethal folio]

We know very little.

[scarlet bear]

not in verminetide

[honest knoll]

I was a really good Mercenary Kruber and a terrible Hunstman Kruber. they were both kruber but they were completely different classes

so if they're sticking to that same theme, things are gonna get a lot more interesting as more classes come out

[scarlet bear]

all i can say

[manic needle]

If it's like VT the subclasses will share a common weapons arsenal while having different core abilities. Some feats may be the same/similar while others are completely different

[scarlet bear]

likely they have difffrent combat abilities

and feats

[austere estuary]

I just now realised

what the difference was between brutal strike and this

I just brainholed it till now

[cloud heron]

Brutal Momentum you mean?

[scarlet bear]

i got a nice gold sword

[austere estuary]

yeah sorry

brutal momentum

[scarlet bear]

buts the psyher sword

[lethal folio]

Trigger method.

[austere estuary]

yeah

[cloud heron]

critical hit vs weak spot kill

[austere estuary]

Crit super easy to trigger every 3.5s

[floral solstice]

Perfect strike exists too

[scarlet bear]

i want the ranged block skill....

[austere estuary]

also, I sort of just took ignore hit mass to mean "don't get stopped -> good for cleaving" but

I see now it's a good deal better than that

basically you point cursor at weak spot when active, it hits weakspot

[cloud heron]

Is it better than that? I honestly don't understand half of the keywords in this game

[austere estuary]

even if the swing would get caught earlier

[cloud heron]

oh man, that does sound nice

[austere estuary]

you can even

hit weakspot of crusher from his back, right through, to his head

targeting his middle chest

for example

[cloud heron]

so then perfect strike is worse since it needs to crit before it ignores hit mass?

[scarlet bear]

to be fair i am not sure

[floral solstice]

Perfect strike ignores mass on the crit hit itself

[austere estuary]

which weps have perf strike?

[floral solstice]

Evisc, and it's horrible

[scarlet bear]

this is my sword

[floral solstice]

Basically your revved crits will not latch lmao

[austere estuary]

oooh they won't?

that's kinda crazy good right, if it still delivers the damage

[floral solstice]

Same thing with chaninsword with devastating, if you have it active then try to shred they will just pass through

[floral solstice]

it's not, trust me

[cloud heron]

I don't think it shreds if it passes through

[austere estuary]

awww

[scarlet bear]

anyone tell me if this is good for a staff

[austere estuary]

shame

[cloud heron]

I assume it's the same effect as if you hit a poxwalker while revved

but i dont actually know

[austere estuary]

well no, but it's levelling so

[cloud heron]

Any level you buy level 30 is just a trial test

[scarlet bear]

yeah finding high rank staffs are hard to fine

[floral solstice]

that'a why if you run shred + devastating on chainsword as psyker for hordes, you have to make sure you didnt crit before you try to shred a mutant or something lmao

[austere estuary]

and even then maybe not a great trial for some

purg with its nerfed range without bar, trauma with its nerfed everything without all the bars

surge and void are pretty representative though

[manic needle]

It's probably good for your level. Or, if you're level 30 that is very bad.

[cloud heron]

Use it by all means but don't start throwing plasteel at it or anything

[scarlet bear]

yeah i am maxed out i just lack a good staff

😛

[manic needle]

RIP

[scarlet bear]

yeah i know

weekly shop is fickle :c

no staffs for 5 days

[manic needle]

Check the armoury, shouldnt be too hard to find an upgrade once it rolls a staff

[cloud heron]

best part about work from home is I can check the shop w/ the extension and if I find something I like "go to the bathroom" and buy it

[honest knoll]

hell yeah

[cloud heron]

gotten me some pretty good snags

[floral solstice]

the extension unintentionally increases your copium tho

[honest knoll]

Guys I might be stupid, maybe everyone already knows this but I just realized that regular Force Sword attacks benefit from damage bonuses to both force damage and non force damage

[scarlet bear]

alright i keep looking

[cloud heron]

What gives bonuses to "non force damage"?

[honest knoll]

warp sources I guess

[long wharf]

CL seems to make enemies take +15% damage, period

[honest knoll]

but it also benefits from this

[scarlet bear]

that one is weird

[cloud heron]

psykinetic's wrath i think is checking for that force weapon keyword

in the bottom right right here

[orchid nest]

the top pinned thing is good for checking feats like that

[manic needle]

Its hilarious to me that Surge Secondary attack isn't affected by the Psykinetic's Wrath talent

Because... logic?

[cloud heron]

alright so maybe psykinetic's wrath is more complicated than I thought

[manic needle]

No, the game code is more spaghetti than you thought, probably

[floral solstice]

good lord i thought i was just imagining things with wrath

[naive dawn]

Surge rmb works with psy wrath.

Or Lev are you saying the staff melee?

[manic needle]

No, RMB

[naive dawn]

It 100% works

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063591928647655535/1063607587083407400/image.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063591928647655535/1063607686358384651/image.png

Thats just a damnation meat grinder with surge

[orchid nest]

I'm not sure if it does either way but the rmb has damage variation doesn't it? so a small sample of tests isn't great. even the math there doesn't add up

[manic needle]

Im not going to aruge when people have datamined this

[honest knoll]

damage number I just checked with each buff and with both on my force sword. every attack is Heavy 1 to a Crusher's head.
No buffs: 178 DMG
No CL / PW at 100% peril: 193 DMG
CL / PW at 0% peril: 205
CL / PW at 100% peril: 222

just thought that was interesting that force sword counts as both a force weapon and a non warp source

[sonic aspen]

Did they bring a fork for the spaghetti?

[manic needle]

New Psyker melee weapon announcement: Force Fork

[naive dawn]

yeh testing is further you are right Lev, it appears that surge just has a huge variance in damage, and PW doesnt seem to effect it.

[orchid nest]

the damage variation is the same thing that spawned the rumor that crits weren't doing extra damage on surge

[naive dawn]

yeh that would make sense

Yeh the numbers are all over the place and definitely do not scale with PW for Surge RMB

[long wharf]

too dangerous, forks have tines

force soup spoon

[sonic aspen]

I'd run comically large spoon psyker

[manic needle]

"My spoon is too big"

[long wharf]

big bonk means big win

[cyan notch]

thats basically a force shovel

[manic needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7JyjZI3LUM

[rare furnace]

Sus

[lapis bay]

fire

[austere estuary]

[proud mantle]

nice

[scarlet bear]

thats nice

your opinion

is quell speed very importent

i found this

is it better than this

[warped kernel]

youre not asking me but the first one is probably better because of the warp nexus at 5%

although that second one is honestly kinda funny with having near perfect 4/5 stats and then 1 stat that's just terrible

also test out in the psykanium just how much slower the quell speed is in comparison

you may not notice and could also just switch to your melee weapon when you need to quell, but i'd still go for the first staff because of the 5% warp nexus

[orchid venture]

375 tac axe in the shop lets gooo

wait what blessing is on this one i didnt look

Headtaker lets gooo

[scarlet bear]

i like the faster quall but it a lose of some stat

since it allows me to cast more

i heard void is more used than surge

[sudden trellis]

it's easier to blow up a horde than expect randoms to do it while you CC things

[orchid venture]

the only time I wouldn't really want a high quell percent is when it's a void staff with transfer peril on it, cause then you dont super need it anymore when you're spamming into a crowd

[warped kernel]

yeah i've just gotten so used to stunning/locking down mutants and dogs and poxbursters with surge staff, not having it takes some getting used to

i'm also lucky that i legit love CCing with surge staff

[scarlet bear]

i wish trama was better

[warped kernel]

we all do

[scarlet bear]

the knock up can be fun

[lusty wave]

@warped kernel same, stunning mutants and pox hounds or running to a gunner and stunning them then switching back to melee to cave their face in feels good as hell

[warped kernel]

i know it's great

and the usefulness of the surge is so tangible when youre stopping mutants from ever grabbing your teammates

[sudden trellis]

It's a super fun playstyle imo, but I eventually stopped because I keep having to carry most of the time because of the randoms' lacking kill potential

[lusty wave]

Fr

[warped kernel]

yeah that's fair

[sudden trellis]

i prefer the surge staff otherwise, especially when playing with buds on comms

[orchid venture]

all I really want is more range on the trauma staff, so I can be more surgical with my explosion placement. it's happened too many times, where I see a hefty little patrol walking around, and my trauma staff is juuust short of removing them from the game

[sudden trellis]

holding down dogs, trappers and mutants really takes the edge off in higher diffs

[sudden trellis]

how DO you play with the trauma? genuinely curious, i've only tried it once and discarded it

[orchid venture]

I treat it like a purgatus staff, but with a bit more discretion. it's also perfect for getting rid of pox walkers, since they take way more explosive damage

[manic needle]

Surge CC is overrated IMO. Voidstrike can stagger all on that list except for Mutants, which are easily dispatched with a Force Sword. Plus, with Transfer Peril, Void is much easier to pair with FS than Surge.

Now if we're talking scabs behind cover, surge has a clear advantage there

[orchid venture]

i mean discretion like, sure you can go wild with it, and explode a hoard in 2 shots, but you need to listen for specials too, since trauma is really good at interrupting trappers, flamers, all ogryn, pretty much everything but monstrosities and mutants

[warped kernel]

Yeah also the scabs thing for sure. And the FS can't actively stop the mutant from grabbing your teammates when they can't dodge haha, but taking surge for mutant alone is certainly not worth it

[orchid venture]

and since hoard density and special placement doesn't matter to trauma, you can interrupt them anywhere

[sudden trellis]

hm. I guess I oughta give trauma another shot

[warped kernel]

I just like surge better than void but void is definitely my second favorite

[orchid venture]

it's VERY important to have a trauma staff with as much quell speed as you can get, even moreso than damage to me

[manic needle]

A mutant holding someone is standing still, should make them easy to dispatch in most situations

[orchid venture]

cause you WILL go up to 100% in 2 explosions

[manic needle]

Honestly I probably prefer melee push+ FS special for dogs, too. It's more reliable and honestly faster

[orchid venture]

but the good part of only taking 2 explosions to get up so high, is you just run quietude with it, and you get back 50% toughness faster than anything else

[sudden trellis]

huh.

that's pretty nifty.

[warped kernel]

Yes but then they've been hit and grabbed and are taking damage. Though admittedly, mutants don't really do that much damage, more a problem when they don't die and keep grabbing in hordes. And I like stopping the dogs beforehand without needing to aim. Can you stop dogs mid jump with the push?

[manic needle]

Yes

[orchid venture]

someone else explained it alot better than I could. Trauma is a staff thats great because it allows for a ton of skill expression

[sudden trellis]

you explained it fine, i feel like. weird that I utterly forgot about it as a staff

purgatus is just so easy to default to, I guess

[orchid venture]

like, if you explode a rager right behind them, you throw them onto the ground directly infront of you and the rest of your team, same with maulers, making them easy pickings

I say, if you get a good trauma staff, give it a shot

[scarlet bear]

only issue with trama is it peril gen

two casts your in the 90s

[orchid venture]

yeah, s' why you need a high quell percentage on it, and run quietude

[scarlet bear]

meaning you need but realistically

it deal with groups better

where you can toss large area of crowds

and it one reason i want it to be good

[austere estuary]

when using trauma

don't quell lots

it's a trap

[scarlet bear]

i seen the wierdest perk today on a staff

hip fire

[manic needle]

Trauma is the best staff for high peril gameplay tbh

[scarlet bear]

you can cast when running

XD

[manic needle]

quell down enough to blast, rinse and repeat as needed

[sudden trellis]

hip fire's for melee psyker builds

[scarlet bear]

its just finding a good high lvl tramma staff with good perks

XD

[sudden trellis]

dark technologies better left forgotten..

[manic needle]

Left click only, I believe

[sudden trellis]

yep.

[manic needle]

Why it exists on staffs is a bit of a headscratcher

[sudden trellis]

telling you, melee psyker build

unironically

[scarlet bear]

seee

[manic needle]

I guess they just needed a shit-tier perk to gunk up the RNG

[manic needle]

Two perks that only work on left click, RIP

[scarlet bear]

Xd

[sudden trellis]

you run in, guns (staff) blazing, and pretend to be a knife zealot

[orchid venture]

i do know that quelling takes time, time which could be spent pulling a melee weapon out to deal damage and let passive quell do the work, but in that same kinda sense, it depends on the situation, the team, and your playstyle.

[orchid venture]

for stats on a trauma staff, most important to me is

1. Area
   2.Quell Speed
   3.Damage
2. Charge Rate
3. Warp Resistance
   But that's just whats important to Me, it could be different to you

[austere estuary]

if you want to full charge, from 100% let it come down roughly to 80

[sudden trellis]

thanks for the infomercial, dave

[scarlet bear]

ty

[austere estuary]

charge rate is massively important on trauma, the range is huge not like other staffs

e.g. void 0-100 = 1.9-1.6s

[scarlet bear]

realistically yeah quell and aoe is big on that staff

[austere estuary]

trauma 0-100 2.5-1.0s

that staff in video is 80 quell

you don't actually need that much probably, as you noticed I was not hitting 99 or close to at the cast

[scarlet bear]

does the fire staff get a longer range stat?
be funny to lunch flames far away

[manic needle]

Voidstrike you're going to be spamming it a lot more. It may be less per charge but it does add up over time

[austere estuary]

yes heartglow

[manic needle]

It also depends on how much youre charging it and whether or not youre animation cancelling

[austere estuary]

yeah it's still important, but not "my casts take literally 2 and a half times as long" 😛

[sudden trellis]

now I need a long range hip-fire purgatus..

[scarlet bear]

just got this as a gift XD

[austere estuary]

also, since warp flurry works on void, it can massively counter the difference in cast time

[manic needle]

Trauma in general relies on having big stat bars

Im trying to think if there's a true dump stat on that staff

[scarlet bear]

wonder if we will get any more psyher abilities

[manic needle]

Where you can have one stat at like 10% and be fine

[austere estuary]

10% on a void that's at 0%, 1.9s for example, that's now 1.71 on most casts

not that you'll have a void with any 0% bars at that point

[scarlet bear]

like in warhammer lore

[sudden trellis]

veterans everywhere seething

[austere estuary]

actually you know

I just tested another of my traumas

[scarlet bear]

their some psyhers that have ability to boost their str

[austere estuary]

which has 61 quelling

[scarlet bear]

to even be able to tear armor off

of things

[austere estuary]

and for the same quick two tick quell from 100 into a full charge

you cast at 98%

which is ideal if you have warp nexus

where the last two stacks need 97+

[scarlet bear]

Hammerhand The psyker uses his mental powers to increase his strength, allowing him to tear apart adamantine plates with his bare hands.

this one 😛

[sudden trellis]

I doubt they'll be pulling stuff like that from the ttrpg handbooks

[scarlet bear]

true

be cool though

[sudden trellis]

seeing how staves essentially let you freely switch between psyker 'schools' already

[scarlet bear]

that make it a bit weird yeah Xd

seeing most specialize

all in all i am excited to see how the expand on the game

[austere estuary]

okay yeah here's a number for you I guess

[sudden trellis]

next patch: diviner psykers and astropaths, so you can clearly see when the zealot's about to Cowabunga

[austere estuary]

61% quell speed

[scarlet bear]

i wish

[austere estuary]

and 77% charge speed

work out at bouncing to 84 with second tick of quell

then up to 98 for the end of the charge

with 80 charge speed, you might want perhaps even a little less quelling, for maximum max peril casting speed overall

max peril max charge

[sudden trellis]

what's the difference in blasting trauma at max peril, like 15% increase in damage, was it?

[austere estuary]

if you have warp nexus, the last two stacks occur at 97+% peril

the 5-15% thing is a sliding scale

[manic needle]

If you take that feat, yeah. Although there are other abilities that work with high peril

[austere estuary]

if using nexus on trauma, you really want your 'automatic' quell->max charges or quick quell->small charges to be firing off at u97+

though you will still benefit all the way to 99 from the 5-15% damage bonus feat

[sudden trellis]

does it one-tap the chaff, also?

[austere estuary]

if you have a force sword with unstable power, that'd also be to your benefit to hit cast as close to 100

trauma always one touches chaff at max with good damage, I think

lemme check

[sudden trellis]

asking since I have literally 16 minutes of experience with it

weird how you unlock it so early

[austere estuary]

might be wrong

[sudden trellis]

but it feels like the most difficult staff to use right

[austere estuary]

ah okay

[manic needle]

By unlocking the one that performs the worst with low stats it encourages you to experiment with other weapons

Thats probably the reason

[austere estuary]

if you don't have some warp charges or other power boost, poxwalkers might live with a sliver

the one I use normally has 10% on groaners/poxwalkers

[sudden trellis]

ah, so that's why I dropped it..

[austere estuary]

that said, that's at damnation

but yeah trauma really sucks without good area, charge speed, damage bars, and the right quell amount - though when you're learning you'll probably try and quell all the way down which ends up making it feel even slower

compared to this kind of pacing of full size nuke

#psyker-class message

some small ones mixed in for showing what to do with smaller quells/when you don't have time

[weary wasp]

I feel like peril damage buff is one of the worst feats out there

[austere estuary]

it's great

5% damage on most staff damage and all FS damage all the time, up to 15% is a big multiplier to get

[sudden trellis]

I feel like it's a bit of a consolation prize type of a feat

[austere estuary]

really? wow

from all the RPG/ARPG playing I've done, I see a passive 15% multiplier and think "oh snap give me that"

[manic needle]

Depends on whether or not you need to hit break points. I wouldnt take it on a surge staff even if it did work with it, for example

[weary wasp]

Its not really a multiplier, it just adds on top of other damage buffs much like blessings and void charges. So functionally its only up to 15% if you've got nothing else

[austere estuary]

all these things add up a huge amount

[manic needle]

But going from not one-shotting horde mobs to being able to is a huge deal

[weary wasp]

Yeah it does matter for braekpoints

[sudden trellis]

yeah but it doesn't sing. it doesn't Dance.

[austere estuary]

breakpoints are not the be all and end all when you're playing a game in a team

they're nice

but when every person in the team is invariably overlapping their targets a lot, each person doing a bit more is big

little things adding up going under the radar is how people thought dark souls was mega hard, looking at vigor at the level up screen "oh what it only adds like 10hp out of several hundred, pointless and weak"

when it was basically the difficulty slider of the game

many things like that in RPGs

[sudden trellis]

the difficulty slider's the build in the souls series
I guess my gripe's that 15% just isn't flashy enough for me

[austere estuary]

MonHun is the same, only the poor wording of the crit boost skill tricks people into taking it (it's actually great but if it was worded normally many wouldn't take it)

[sudden trellis]

(I absolutely 100% use the feat, still)

[austere estuary]

where crit boost is a 3 level skill that increases crit damage from 125%->130->135->140

in world it was worded on the first level "increases by 30%" instead of to at first

but yeah those skills increase damage by only overall around 4% each but along with your other things, it all piles up

now that's said

flashy skills are great

wrack and ruin needs a buff imo

[sudden trellis]

it's such a cool feat in theory

[austere estuary]

they could remove the BB requirement but that'd probably break it and make it op, so if they'd just increase the stack amount a bunch that'd be great

would make it great fun when you find a gunner pack

[sudden trellis]

I ran a setup with WnR and the lv30 feat that speeds up your BB

and LARPed as a veteran

aiming for specialists

[austere estuary]

veteran style psyker is pretty neat

brain burst also means you can take a braced autogun and still snipe things

[wanton pier]

Did they change how peril works?

[sudden trellis]

I'm also still convinced that there's a hidden melee psyker setup with the hip-shooting staff blessing

[austere estuary]

and warpcharges and peril parry make things nice

[fresh reef]

If I'm going to play like a crackhead, I may as well look the part

[austere estuary]

run n gun on staff lets you move forward much faster while channelling your secondary

not full sprint speed, but a lot faster than normally

[sudden trellis]

home planet: Florida

[austere estuary]

comparison

afraid I don't have runngun on the other staves but presumably it's similar

I'd like to see purg particularly, if it can continue sprinting while actually channelling flames

[sudden trellis]

didnt work on surge nor void, so im gonna assume it doesnt work on purg

[austere estuary]

you weren't looking for full sprint though right? like in that video it's not full sprint speed you get, just a lot faster than usual

[manic needle]

Trauma staff exists to gaslight generalities about how staffs work

CMV

[sudden trellis]

but purg m1 briefly staggers in a small AoE

[fresh reef]

Yet another Trauma staff W

[austere estuary]

also rare void lack of W

[manic needle]

inb4 "being able to run away faster is definitely a W for Trauma"

[austere estuary]

can't run away

or sideways

only forwards

[manic needle]

The commissar approves

[austere estuary]

other directions can't technically sprint so it makes sense

[fresh reef]

I have runngun on Trauma and I forget I have it most of the time

Since the optimal situation for Trauma is being backed into a corner

[austere estuary]

I kinda want it on my main trauma

I often end up wanting to keep firing and quelling forever

[fresh reef]

I ain't running anywhere, the poxwalkers just keep shambling into my bouncy house of pain

[austere estuary]

so stopping to actually cover ground

oh yeah when it's horde o clock

[manic needle]

I decided to go back and double check R'n'G on VOid

[austere estuary]

nice to have a little splosion house

corridors are the best

[manic needle]

Definitely no sprinting with the secondary

[austere estuary]

RIP

void has a bunch of stronger blessings though

so not like you want it anyway compared to those

[sudden trellis]

I just want the void to blast through thin cover

[manic needle]

Surge - also no benefit with RMB

[fresh reef]

Man it has been a week since I've seen a force sword in the shop

[dull haven]

Feel like warp resis isn't the most important

[sudden trellis]

force sword dispenser broken

[austere estuary]

void secondary has that awesome hitbox though, can aim it basically clear above cover and it'll splat things behind it

[fresh reef]

Shits getting ridiculous lol

[manic needle]

going to check and see if I have a Purg with it

[austere estuary]

correct this is god tier

warp res is basically meaningless on purg

you'll always be walling at 100 after casting

[manic needle]

I take back what I said about Trauma not having a dump stat, thats pretty based

[dull haven]

Until I brick it crafting it

smile

[austere estuary]

my purg is similar

[haughty topaz]

OGRYN HERE, U SPARKIES ARE OKAY

[manic needle]

Whoops. thats a purg staff

[fresh reef]

Run n gun and level 1 nexus

[manic needle]

Thats what I get for splitting my attention

[fresh reef]

[austere estuary]

We're all fine, thank you sweet brute

[sudden trellis]

thanks, big guy.

[dull haven]

Ill craft it rn

and send results

[austere estuary]

my purgatus

[dull haven]

May the omnissiah bless me

[sudden trellis]

speaking of ogryn. I'm never going to get tired of being able to shoot magic through ogre ass

[fresh reef]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[manic needle]

Purgatus - RMB has no benefit from Run 'n' Gun, LMB does (as is standard)

[dull haven]

+8 range dmg elite

first roll

[fresh reef]

I had a dream about this once

[austere estuary]

btw on laspistol

it can get run n gun but

as it happens

it can sprint and hipfire without it

[fresh reef]

Threw a void projectile directly into a shielded Ogryn's ass, and he burped it back up directly into a horde

The Wii Bowling strike sound followed

[sudden trellis]

lmfo

[austere estuary]

so if someone gets a laspistol with run n gun please check if it can ADS or something

[sudden trellis]

that's canon

ogryn are natural warp energy conductors

[fresh reef]

I will not be satisfied until we can ride on the shoulders of an ogryn

While tossing lightning

[sudden trellis]

my favorite match of psyker yet has been with 3 ogryn

[dull haven]

Idk surge staff just makes games too easy

...

[sudden trellis]

I just kept pissing white flame down hallways while never as much as seeing a hint of chaos forces due to my screen being full of ogryn ass

[fresh reef]

Out of combat is terrifying and you really start to notice how short you are

[sudden trellis]

5'11" vs 6'0"

[fresh reef]

Surge staff just boring

[sudden trellis]

I like surge, very different playstyle

but I don't trust anyone to actually kill the zapped things.

[fresh reef]

Cool Psyker fact: you can pop Wrath in the middle of charging BB and the charge will be retained

Useful for hounds