psyker-class

[cyan notch]

just shoot em

[clear heath]

imo that perk idea is kinda lame because there's already aoe damage in the form of the soulblaze feat in the same tier already.
would be cool if it would give you a stagger in a small area around the BB target though. Make the player choose between stagger or damage feat

[austere estuary]

looking forward to trying it out once I get that higher tier exec

[north cradle]

Four stacks of Soulfire from hitting an Elite, right?

That's uhhh 16 damage per tick?

[cyan notch]

its 2 stacks from killing

[clear heath]

no i mean wrack and ruin, the feat in the same tier as the peril res feat you wanna replace

[north cradle]

Yeh that

[austere estuary]

wrack and ruin really needs some love

[clear heath]

It sucks, but putting something objectively stronger in the same tier is a really boring feat idea

they should really just buff wrack and ruin

[north cradle]

The stagger idea would be neato

[austere estuary]

I just think remove the BB key from it

so any elite kill you nab procs it

[north cradle]

A 2-3m heavy stagger?

[austere estuary]

2 stacks is only a little

[fierce sinew]

they could triple the stacks on it and it would still be just okay

okay to good

[austere estuary]

triple gets funky with the number of elites you can be melting down at once in damnation

[cyan notch]

6 stacks to anyone in 3m is pretty good

all trash is dead

[fierce sinew]

yeah, nonlinearity is an interesting scaling decision for dots

[clear heath]

they have to be careful with stacks because it could be dogshit or broken depending on how much soulblaze you have on then already

[fierce sinew]

exactly

[austere estuary]

I like it, committal reaping the rewards

and otherwise it's just sprinkles on top

but atm wrack is just

[cyan notch]

makes sense the longer u cook the more its gonna hurt

[north cradle]

Also, does Brain Burst do lower to Maniacs?

[austere estuary]

like the only time to ever use wrack is if you're using no staff and no FS

[fierce sinew]

no, maniacs just have a lot of hp

[clear heath]

I think the idea is to make it viable in different difficulties without having any actual difficulty scaling
Like enemies have more hp in higher diff, but that gives you more time to stack so it becomes more effective and burn doesn't just become useless

[north cradle]

Okay, cuz Dreg Ragers felt tankier than Scab Ragers and I wasn't sure why

[austere estuary]

maniacs includes trapper and that's always squishy, and mutie just has a tonne of health

[north cradle]

Yeh

[austere estuary]

and also in end game you start being able to stack more crit

and get stacks a lot faster

so it works well there

finally rmemebered to record

let me just encode it for discord

[north cradle]

I still feel like turning Brain Burst into a grenade would be a worthwhile investment. Voidstrike and Trauma cast faster, but neither will get you a Warp Charge, and you could only pick stagger AoE or damage AoE

[austere estuary]

see how we can hang around at full charge for quite a while?

if you sit and charge UP to 80, then stop and charge, yeah you'll have less time, but in actual use you're always bouncing from 100

so you benefit from the inertia of the quelling

same works for if you're at 100 and know you want to do a quicker cast as your next cast, you do an even shorter quell to like 85-90

it's like burgling the warp for free peril

oh, for reference this is the staff

[north cradle]

Me quelling to 97% to squeeze another Brain Burst to stun the Reaper on the other side of the map

[austere estuary]

the same technique applies for purgatus, and it works out actually the same 80% ish target to quell down to

[north cradle]

That 1 stack of Soulblaze as a T3

[austere estuary]

before slingshotting back up

yeah 😦

terrible blessings for trauma

both useless 99% of the time

warp flurry never gets to activate cause we're nearly always quelling between

[north cradle]

Which enemies are Groaners anyhow

[austere estuary]

the non poxwalker horde schmucks

[north cradle]

Ah okay

[austere estuary]

afaik

[north cradle]

The Unarmoured mobs, rather than the Infested ones

[austere estuary]

so that is basically a 'vs horde'

haven't decided how to reroll

tempted to roll flak into carapace

but flak is very very good

[clear heath]

Idk if it makes much sense to roll carapace for the one carapace enemy in the game

[north cradle]

In my experience, I've had better luck fighting Carapaced enemies with Force Sword. That special slays

Either Carapace or Maniac for Force Sword

[austere estuary]

trauma trivialises big lads for your team

[north cradle]

Show me the stagger breakdowns?

[austere estuary]

millions, sec

er

wrong reply

meant to replay to grose

[clear heath]

imo you hit some nice breakpoints for +flak damage on force sword

[north cradle]

Mmm tasty stagger

[austere estuary]

yeah

nothing except muties ignore it

and even a tiny charge knocks crushers down

[north cradle]

You can Weak Spot with that thing?

[north cradle]

I think mine is Flak + Maniac

[austere estuary]

nope

not on secondary

[clear heath]

damn i wish i had flak maniac perks

[austere estuary]

makes peril transfer pointless

[clear heath]

that covers basically everything important

[north cradle]

It's great for taking down Ragers and Mutants

[pine iris]

where the hell is Emma

[north cradle]

Give em a heavy special and they'll drop like bricks

[austere estuary]

@north cradle

[north cradle]

Nice

[austere estuary]

bulwarks will do their shield opening stagger to it

reapers stumble

[violet yoke]

trama OP if u can thread the needel on bulwaks u can knock them down tottaly

u can usaly double pump them down

[austere estuary]

oh yeah if you are behind them

then it knocks them

based on your character not the explosion

for reasons

[violet yoke]

the fact that u can knock everything over is just OP in its self

when i play with orgyns i use trama and let them just beat stuff in the heads till they get up

[clear heath]

I just like +25% flak because it means this thing will die in light->heavy as long as i either have the force damage feat or a warp charge
Sounds dumb but it does feel noticebly better to be able to 2 shot these

[austere estuary]

what stats are on your sword?

mind you, in combat you'll usually have warp charges to push you over that threshold

[clear heath]

Don't wanna open the game rn, so here's a old screenshot.
I replaced block eff with flak damage

and man am i happy with that flak damage

[austere estuary]

oh it has flak now?

[clear heath]

Without flak, it's not even close to killing that guy. This is how bad it was without it

Not even warp charges can save this shit

imagine swinging 3 times to kill a non-elite mob

well, i could heavy twice but then i'd have to kill them one by one cause first heavy is just vertical

[north cradle]

I hope that leaked Force Greatsword gets into the game. Even better if it still has Deflector

[void fable]

Can someone give me some advice on the Purgatus? I keep getting good ones as Emperor's Gifts as I level up my psyker. I also keep hearing about how good Purgatus is.

But everytime I try it, I just don't feel good with it. It's a struggle. Does anyone have some tips on using it, feats to use, playstyle with it. Anything really

[austere estuary]

woah this is way diff to mine

I have just weak point damage

I'll record

the fs damage stats really do compound hard

[clear heath]

probably because of my low finesse then

[north cradle]

What's the dump stat for Force Swords, would you say?

[clear heath]

the flak dmg is also nice for oneshotting maulers with a special heavy, but honestly killing that non elite melee dude is more important to me

[austere estuary]

warp res

dump it

in many ways 0 is ideal

for on demand peril

and it also lets you cast it from like 97

[clear heath]

I'd dump like half of it
I wouldn't really want my special to cost 40 peril

[austere estuary]

I do

give me that free damage bonus

[clear heath]

sometimes you wanna be able to special twice and still have a couple casts left

[north cradle]

Wouldn't be much different from the rest of Psyker's kit

HEYOOO

[maiden wolf]

What a goated sword. I'd love to fidn one with blazing spirit and shred.

[austere estuary]

I need rebless for this badly

although that said

[clear heath]

damn i really do need more finesse

[austere estuary]

superiority does let you start munching elites

I'll show

[maiden wolf]

Wow

[north cradle]

Superiority wouldn't be too bad if the game threw a couple more Ragers at me

[maiden wolf]

I went all in on block on my FS, its amazing to see one that actually does work

[austere estuary]

gunners count

they're not specialists but elites

[north cradle]

I usually pop their brains from behind cover tho

[clear heath]

Superiority would be fine if slaughterer wasn't so much better most of the time

slaughterer numbers are cracked. I wish i had it

[austere estuary]

why not both

[violet yoke]

how about both?

[austere estuary]

stack em up

hahaha beat me to it

[clear heath]

wtf tier 4 slaughterer

[north cradle]

I feel at my strongest when I peek my head around a corner while suppressed by Gunners and just bust their skulls open every couple seconds like clockwork

[north cradle]

Now that's a horde killer

[serene dune]

For feats I'd recommend 322133... That's what I'd recommend for most Psyker builds, really.
Purgatus requires you to (almost) fully charge it. Obviously, its best used against hordes/bigger packs. For quick CC and some damage on individual targets, feel free to spam LMB. The damage from that ramps up.
For Bulwarks, Crushers or Reapers, just use your special for faster BB charging and switch to that. Anything else dies to the soulblaze rather fast.

[north cradle]

I need to buy up more Force Swords as I see them if I like their Blessings

[austere estuary]

purg actually doesn't need that much charge, if you get shred online on melee and have warp nexus

[serene dune]

Yup, I meant that for Purgatus standalone. Things change a bit with Shred, Executor etc. involved. May even consider 6 Warp Charges feat instead of Kinetic Flayer, then.

[austere estuary]

tbh

always 6 charge for purg for me

[north cradle]

Understandable

[austere estuary]

you generate so many

essence harvest even becomes good

[north cradle]

Does Ascendant Blaze's passive regarding 10% Warp Charge on Soulfire work on Purgatus, or only on enemies hit by the Force Push?

[austere estuary]

yes

[north cradle]

Ooh

[austere estuary]

purg is a battery with it and the other one

[north cradle]

4% Warp Charge on kill?

[austere estuary]

yeah

okay, encoding

[north cradle]

What software you using?

[austere estuary]

obs, then handbrake

[north cradle]

Same

[austere estuary]

gah 108

redoing

[serene dune]

Right, about that Shred + Warp Nexus: is the crit on Purgatus that worthwhile? Haven't given it much try, but number-wise it doesn't seem that appealing at first glance.

[north cradle]

Us as OBS and Handbrake video makers

[austere estuary]

[austere estuary]

crit is HUGE on purgatus

crits cause double flame stracks

stacks*

here

once this vid is done

but yeah vs a mauler for example, a single cast will melt him and ticks can go as high as mid 300s

purgatus big weak point is when bulwarks cockblock you

first bit shows without shred, then I activate shred as well as warp nexus

in actual combat in high tier, you get a lot of toughness regen from the charges firing off all over

and since your flame dots work while you don't, as well as team getting warp charge in coherency for you, it can lead to a very steady income of it

for quick ref, that staff is this:

as stated, warp res is a meaningless stat for this and trauma

I think void and surge might have a case for it being less meaningless

but it's probably still their best dump

[north cradle]

Oh ya can you take a look at my Curios since I've got you here?

[serene dune]

Hm... What'd you replace Terrifying Barrage with?

[north cradle]

I'm kinda scared to upgrade my purp but I don't have enough resources at the moment anyway

[neat summit]

@austere estuary thanks for the insight

[void fable]

Thank you for the advice 🙂

[maiden sleet]

I love crit

[gaunt stone]

for force sword what would you rank each modifier from most important to least important

[cyan notch]

first target > finesse > damage > mobility > warp res

[gaunt stone]

ty

[austere estuary]

I would agree but add that warp res is significantly less important than any other especially

so don't disregard a force sword with very low warp res if the other stats are good

[gentle bloom]

Is it possible to get warp resist on curios?

[austere estuary]

no

[gentle bloom]

uuggh..ok ty

[austere estuary]

the warp res on weapons doesn't help vs channelling or when brain bursting either

I hope they buff it at some point

[gentle bloom]

Only for the actual attack with the staff?

[austere estuary]

or the sword

it's all separate

[gentle bloom]

wth

[austere estuary]

so warp res on sword only affects how much peril it gains when you cast its special

[gentle bloom]

So what stat am I going for mostly then?

[austere estuary]

and warp res on staffs only affects the amount of peril from its left click, and from when you FIRE the secondary

[gentle bloom]

I'm mainly using a surge staff

[austere estuary]

surge I don't really use or dabble with much so afraid my advice on it might not be ideal

[gentle bloom]

I like the CC that comes with it. I've tried voidstrike and trauma staves I'm just not good with them.

Plus I feel like the CC helps out a lot more

[austere estuary]

void and trauma can also provide a lot of control - not in the same way/quite as much though, but they do provide more damage. You might enjoy Purgatus too, the flamethrower staff - it is even better than surge at cc for hordes specifically, but much less so for elites

purgatus is also quite easy to use

if you're enjoying surge though and aren't sure what else is useful, at the very least quell speed is always good, as it's effectively reload speed

[hazy locust]

we won guys!

[austere estuary]

haha, I've seen this a lot the last two days

I think the servers are freaking out or something

[gentle bloom]

My current staff

[austere estuary]

looks pretty great, though when it becomes available you may wish to change out warp flurry unless they fix it

it currently doesn't seem to work, for all I can see, on the surge

not that it matters atm

since not changeable

terrifying might actually be great though thinking about it

one of surge's weaknesses is that it can't hit enough targets to manage hordes

but if you can kill one and proc a suppress, that's great

[gentle bloom]

Yea, I have to move and aim around a lot.

My biggest problem is getting hemmed in, and not getting out of tight spots well. I need work on that.

[austere estuary]

might want to try getting your hands on a mk V combat axe

it has a push attack that's very good at helping get out of packed hordes

and tonnes of stagger

[gentle bloom]

This is my melee. I like the sweep it has. Though, I would love a chainsword instead, admittedly.

[austere estuary]

with that sword, if I remember right, alternating between heavy and light is the repeatable sweep sequence (can't remember which comes first)

great mob control but not very killy

duelling swords can be nice too

not amazing cleave or anything, but extremely mobile

[gentle bloom]

Yea

[austere estuary]

and can have some solid blessings

man I wish the emprah gifts got the yellow circle to mark them in inventory

btw force sword can also be pretty good for hordes

[gentle bloom]

So a combat axe might serve me better you think?

[austere estuary]

and getting out of a tight spot

[cyan notch]

immeasurably complex

[austere estuary]

force sword has a push that affects 360 around you

if you see one with the slaughterer blessing, and deflector

that's a wonderful safety and horde clear combo

they also have infinite dodges

but yeah combat axe mkV in particular has a good push attack

[gentle bloom]

Alright, I will definitely look into that. I appreciate it.

[austere estuary]

personally I find them a bit clunky, but I know several people here swear by them

np

[cyan notch]

theres not much to it you just spam push attack lol

[austere estuary]

this is my current melee weapon of choice, mainly because the blessings juice my other damage, but I find it's a good general purpose weapon aside from sucking at hordes

tactical mk VII axe

sucking at hordes means I rely heavily on my staff and ult to deal with them instead

but vs small packs or elites it's still very good, and quite fast

wow, hadron on a roll with this item

just two rolls to get 5% crit

which with shred, psyker base and the weapon's crit bonus bar brings it to >50%

er

40%

also don't know what happened but

getting instant damnation quickplays tongiht

loads of people at it

and clearing a good chunk of them

[placid sorrel]

using ability to push dogs away from your teammate through a wall/ceiling/floor is kinda cool

[austere estuary]

wait does that work?

I never even tried, just sort of assumed it'd be blocked

[abstract cedar]

Everything works through walls

[austere estuary]

well...

[abstract cedar]

Except BB

[austere estuary]

When the Emperor's gift is, "would you like a slightly worse copy of the thing you already have?"

[fringe agate]

Okay but that's 69% crit bonus tho

If you can slap decimator or broom on it when rebless arrives the gold one will be usable 🙏

[safe pendant]

I got two 20% perks. one for unyielding and one for maniacs on a surge staff. which one should I be rerolling?

[pale crescent]

glad i checked

[stark junco]

Thoughts? I think this might be quite nice, reroll carapace for flak...

[mental vortex]

Wouldnt it make sense to reroll unarmoured since the entire point of the surge staff is to stun elites

flak+carapace would probably be a better option

[cyan notch]

carapace sucks

only vs 1 target

[raw breach]

is Rending Shockwave new? this is the first time i've seen it

maybe it's because i never use trauma staff...

[cyan notch]

its old

[raw breach]

unyielding/carapace damage is the one damage niche that Surge has. it does shit damage to unarmored, reroll to flak or unyielding imo

[tawdry shell]

I have question

when using purgatus

and I use the second level 30 feet

if I kill stuff with my staff, does that count as soulblaze and give me 10% chance of warp charge when killing stuff or no?

Ascending Blaze

that's the feat I am talking about

[stark junco]

Reroll unarmoured to unyielding you're saying?

[cyan notch]

unyielding sucks

flak is better

unyielding is like what reapers and bulwarks

flak is maulers and a bunch of specials and scab ragers and scab shooters

[manic needle]

and scab bruisers

[placid sorrel]

sup weird boyz

[raw breach]

yeah, rerolling unarmoured to flak would probably be the most useful

[abstract carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[placid sorrel]

[raw breach]

Unfortunately, no. It has to specifically be the DoT tick that kills things

[austere estuary]

gold one is what I use now, shred and all or nothing are crazy good

they apply to both weapons

and AoN applies to everything

[austere estuary]

not new, quite powerful paired with a strong melee weapon

though not at t1

t3 is 6 rending, t4 8, 10% per stack I thiiiiink

not too certain on that though

[placid sorrel]

broom, thats a cool term

[mental vortex]

I want to push an old person down the stairs

[fringe agate]

I got tired of typing out brutal momentum

so I just say broom

and the agrippina or whatever it's called

I just call it grippers

[fringe agate]

That's not very wholesome Spoon

[mental vortex]

sorry I tried playing heresy high intensity

ruins my mood

[fringe agate]

Oh ok then nvm I take it back

heresy hi intense justifies your mood

That shit be harder than damnation

[mental vortex]

heard damnation wasnt much different than heresy

[fringe agate]

idk what it's like for other classes but my experience in damnation as zealot when there isn't a horde is 90% crouching/blocking

[wet belfry]

Tbh you should get better rewards for high intensity.

[cyan notch]

u do

XP AND DOCKETS LMAO

[mental vortex]

more xp reward on a gamemode thats only played by level 30 players

game design is bussin

[fringe agate]

You do get more rewards but all of us have several hundred thousand dockets at this point so they might as well not give me anything

If doing damnation by default guaranteed crafting mats just for winning I would actually be incentivized to play it

otherwise 24/7 Malice gaming for Plasteel seems to be our endgame

[compact cargo]

in vt2 we kept lvling up and getting 3 weapons, deeds or cosmetics off it due to commendation chests

[mental vortex]

lots of cases of "vt2 had it but this game doesnt for some reason"

totally not early access

[lethal plover]

that's certainly your freedom. I just play damn because I like having fun. crafting is such an afterthought and my mats naturally accumulate anyway.

[cyan notch]

getting really bored

[lethal plover]

you don't need to constantly craft gear. I now have more stuff than I know what to do anyway

[fringe agate]

You the happy few

[mental vortex]

care to spare a plasteel mister

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-some-change-beggar-gif-13086110

[north cradle]

Well I cheesed it with a friend but I deed it

What was irritating was that someone griefed it once

[raw breach]

it'd be a whole lot better if it were brittleness. Rending is a self-buff, brittleness debuff is for your whole team. Then there would be a niche for trauma and it would become a mandatory blessing like the quell peril blessing for void

[north cradle]

Now how do I get this damn Peril explosion penance done, this is harder than I thought

[austere estuary]

yeah it's deceptively difficult

[raw breach]

if mats weren't capped based on difficulty even on maps where you should have gathered more than you get at the end of the run

[austere estuary]

tbh I wonder if the mats aren't also affected by time of mission

just did a damnation run where I picked up barely any plasteel and didn't really see any, it was a hectic one through and through everyone just fighting the whole way, yet it was long and we got like 250 or something

then other times picked up SO MUCH plasteel in map on damnation too, but shortere mission and same amount overall

[north cradle]

Probably also the size of the tiles, since you can miss some spawns

[austere estuary]

and how you can fail after picking up a bunch and still get 0

makes me think it's like x amount spawns on the map, and you get amount that's like... whatever % of x you found, then adjusted by difficulty and duration

and win or fail

[steel egret]

You can do it on vet if that helps

[tawdry shell]

so does this include the DOT from purgatus?

[raw breach]

assuming small stacks are 5 and large stacks are 10, there's people who claim they should have gotten 400+ from a run but ended up with exactly 250

[north cradle]

I thought that was patched

[austere estuary]

yes

[tawdry shell]

the flame from the purgatus and the flame from the feat is the same?

very nice

thanks dave

[steel egret]

Nah, you can do cliffhanger too.

[austere estuary]

purgatus dot also gets double stacks when you crit, and it scales hard with warp charges and other % powertoo

[north cradle]

Incredible

[raw breach]

Source of the Soulblaze DoT doesn't matter, but yeah the one from Purgatus is Soulblaze.

[tawdry shell]

once I get critical chance

it'll be sooooo good

[steel egret]

Patch is the last thing I would expect.

[tawdry shell]

for my perkz

[thick pecan]

Can anyone help me get malleus monstorum

[north cradle]

So I can do Psyker penances as a Sharpshooter but I can't do Sharpshooter penances as a Psyker? Because I'm pretty sure I saw at some point a patch note that said you can't accidentally do penances as other classes anymore

[steel egret]

No thats just the zealot one they fixed.

Dont use gun penance

Albeit Im not sure if its actually fixed.

[raw breach]

Nah, there was another one were you can get Going Out With A Bang as a Vet from Plasmagun overheat explosion

[north cradle]

I.E. the one we were just talking about

[raw breach]

Try #vox-lfg-lexicanum channels

[austere estuary]

#psyker-class message here is a short video of how scalable purgatus is with good stats and blessings

[steel egret]

Yeah but when would have they patched it?

I seen it still being a thing after last hotfix.

[tawdry shell]

hey dave

I fucking love u

you are one sexy fucker

[austere estuary]

calm down

[north cradle]

This is the only proof I had and it seems oddly specific

So maybe it does work? Question mark?

[steel egret]

Veteran penances.

[tawdry shell]

so if I use this sword

and get the full shred stacks

and even the riposte

my crit goes wayyyyy up?

and then my burn stack like crazy

[austere estuary]

shred will give you 20% crit by the time you do 6 attacks in a row without missing

if you swing again later it resets

but the buff will persist until then and on both weapons

[tawdry shell]

WOW

[austere estuary]

riposte uhhh

[tawdry shell]

I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS SO SYNERGISTIC

[austere estuary]

kinda hard to make much of riposte - probably only works when weapon is out and would stick when swapping, but it's short lived anyway

[tawdry shell]

fair enough fair enough

but its really cool to know that shred had this functionality

oh so that's why they specify the item's crit chances

[austere estuary]

most blessings work in some way like this - but the stronger they are, the tighter the conditions, or in some cases for very very strong blessings, they won't transfer at all

[tawdry shell]

because this things persists even when switched out

[austere estuary]

all or nothing is totally passive and just always works depending on your stamina for example

but gives a relatively small up to 2/3/4/5% (t1/2/3/4)

shred is strong but will drop the moment you swing again, and would need to be re-established, but gives a strong buff

then there's something like executor, which is 2/3/4/5% power up to 5 stacks (so potentially 25%) and is permanent like shred, but has even stricter conditions - multiple weakspot hits consecutively and quickly to activate it

so even a non-weakspot hit would drop it

which makes it undesirable to use your melee weapon after you've successfully activated it as you'd drop the buff and may struggle to re-establish it

[tawdry shell]

I never really think about the game that much

I am not quite sure what the difference between power and damage

they seem the same to me

but its different

its quite confusing

also what did this person mean by almost charging the purgatus?

I know that warp flurry is bugged

so I shouldn't charge it fully

but what is he trying to say here, is there like a breaking point for super long casts?

[near gale]

idk what it is... but something is looking a little bit... sus about this staff...

I just can't quite put my finger on it...

[austere estuary]

no idea what he's talking about

[tawdry shell]

so this works the same as shred but also for ranged?

[austere estuary]

that blessing actually half works

on your left clicks at least - not tried secondary

OH

wait I see it was amogus joke

nm me

[near gale]

No, I was saying it was suspicious actually with that in mind. xD

On a side note: I hate the voidstrike staff. :/

[austere estuary]

decimator as far as I can tell does not transfer to ranged - effect is just too strong

40% power is giant

it will work however on your dots while it's active

[near gale]

This was what I was working with last mission, and it felt like cancer compared to the fireball staff from vt2... :/

[austere estuary]

at least from the level 30 feat ult dot

[tawdry shell]

yeah I was trying it on psykhanium just now

it didn't transfer

[tawdry shell]

oooohhh

guess I'll stick to the DS

[manic needle]

Mediocre damage, low warp resist, low charge rate, terrible perk and blessing

Im guessing youre levelling up but that staff still makes me cry

[tawdry shell]

I switched from voidstrike to purgatus

I was animation cancelling like crazy with my voidstrike

but with a purgatus its just so much simpler

I barely have to aim

hordes die

[manic needle]

Purgatus is fine, I prefer the ranged and control of Voidstrike

I also dont even really care for animation cancelling on it either

[tawdry shell]

https://outplayed.tv/media/dQXRPP

sweaty

when not in a corridor voidstrike can feel quite bad

but the range makes up for it

in the end up to preference

really liking purgatus now

haha

[manic needle]

Purgatus feels worse when confronted by distant ranged imo

Then its AB or BB spam

[tawdry shell]

what's ab?

[manic needle]

Its powerful in close but I hate the loss of ranged control

Ascendant Blaze

[near gale]

Wouldn't in a corridor it have a much higher chance of smashing through multiple enemies?

[manic needle]

The ideal play with voidstrike is to funnel enemies into narrow spaces

it makes for the easiest killing

[tawdry shell]

yeah like this long corridor

[manic needle]

In larger areas you stagger your attack angles more

[tawdry shell]

this was the best use of voidstrike in my career

I said when not in a corridor

when in a corridor its amazing

[near gale]

oh

[tawdry shell]

especially a long one like this

[near gale]

I misread, my bad

[tawdry shell]

its perfect

[near gale]

Well, gonna show us or just tease us? xD

[tawdry shell]

alright I'll show u my kinky voidstrike staff

[manic needle]

Someone added mine to a conglameration of links in the pinned messages in this channel

check the bottom post in this channel's pinned messages for the link

[tawdry shell]

fuck uuuuuu

that's fucking good

i have 2 item over 500 rating

both are guns

[manic needle]

Id feel some sort of pride but literally random numbers decide who gets something good and who doesnt

[austere estuary]

man after going into psyk to double check if decimator worked on other weapons, ended up having some fun with it

not an amazing roll but

t4 decimator is quite silly

[tawdry shell]

its good

very fucking good

how'd you get that?

from melks?

or emperor

[near gale]

This is so sad... this is the most tempting item in my shop rn.

[manic needle]

Mine? no, it was a 380 profane in the armoury which I consecrated

[austere estuary]

prob emprah

[tawdry shell]

and you even rolled such good stuff

[humble plume]

do i wanna roll on this?

[tawdry shell]

consecration usually destroys an item

[manic needle]

looks good to me

sustained fire is a bad blessing but soon we'll hopefully be able to swap at least one

[tawdry shell]

its good enough

[austere estuary]

I want to see if sustained fire would affect surge procced shots

[humble plume]

or is this better to roll on?

[austere estuary]

surge blessing I mean

[manic needle]

Id take the first one

[austere estuary]

not the staff

[manic needle]

Doesnt sustained fire only work on left click?

Might still be good with surge+headshot though

[austere estuary]

left click does still do some pretty solid damage

[humble plume]

alright thanks guys!

[austere estuary]

mind you, would wnat multiple targets for it still, one would likely stagger from first and dodge the second while staggering

[manic needle]

nice

Now Transfer Peril on the final upgrade

🤞

[humble plume]

yeah that's what i'm hoping for 🙏

gotta farm some diamantine tho

[shy crag]

Does anyone have any tips for that Psyker penance where ya gotta kill 3 elites from a peril suicide/explosion. I'm having a lot of trouble getting that done and I'm getting really demoralised on how much of a negative impact im having on my team any time i see a possibility and try for it. Up until last week I've just been playing normally, seeing if i get that penance naturally somehow but it just ain't happening. Now when I'm actively seeking it out, I either dont do enough damage or I get incapacitated long before I'm able to trigger it/the animation goes through. It's a bit funky to do.

[vestal finch]

I couldn't stand hearing my psyker any longer so I made a new one, second mission I get into I meet 2 other psykers with the same voice...

Where were all these seers before?

[vestal finch]

What have you been doing to try and get it?

[manic needle]

Comms Plex data interrogation before entering the elevator. Should spawn a lot of gunners/shotgunners.

Since spawns should be more than adequate might as well do it on Malice for the easierst time if youre having trouble

[shy crag]

Well I've been spamming bot games in Damnation/Heresy maps and just seeing if I find the right combination of elites to try it out early in the maps, so I dont have to effectively "grief" anyone else doing it that way. I've also tried normal games, mostly on Heresy, on the map Comms-Plex 154/2f and location suggested in this reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/106gd05/psyker_going_out_with_a_bang_psa/

[manic needle]

OR, better advice, just ignore the penance, it's fucking stupid.

[ornate hamlet]

How do you purgatus Psykers deal with shooters? I learned to clear most of the other situations in the game, but I regularly struggle with large open rooms with few covers and many gunners in it. Normally I would just eat my way through their brains and get in and out of cover, but that's not always possible. Right now I'm using deflection on my Force Sword, but it doesn't feel good, and gets me cornered from time to time.

[manic needle]

"Kill yourself for some ugly clothes"

[spark forge]

I prefer exploding on ragers, since they run up nice and close.

[vestal finch]

I die

[shy crag]

the flame is quite long, the primary fire has a decent stagger cc as well, otherwise I'd spam brain burst.

[sharp jackal]

BB is the only way if you can`t get close.

[ornate hamlet]

@vestal finch a yes I try that strategy as well!

[shy crag]

having a force sword with deflector can be handy too, if you need to get closer.

[manic needle]

Run Kinetic Deflection with Deflector on your FS if you arent, utilize Ascendant Blaze when you can, spam BB on them when you cant do that and getting close for melee is a bad idea

[shy crag]

but usually id spam brain burst and I have that final skill that speeds up brain burst after you use your special.

[sharp jackal]

You can always pre-charge bb and peak.

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, so I just need to play better I guess 😂

Thank you for your answers

[manic needle]

Or just try a different staff if the lack of a ranged option isnt working for you

[vestal finch]

You have to block and face the gunners, which slows you down to a snail's pace

[shy crag]

I like the cosmetics behind it unfortunately, and progress on that is kinda locked behind this one penance. Doing these penances is kidna my end game content in many ways. Helps to have goals, enjoy the game more "usually".

[ornate hamlet]

It does work really well for me. I am just trying to optimise the thing I am lacking the most

[vestal finch]

I'm starting to doubt most of these people saying "deflector!" actually use it

[manic needle]

I like everything in the Heresy+ penances, except the headgear.

[ornate hamlet]

I use it regularly to get in range with purgatus

[manic needle]

Best of luck

[ornate hamlet]

On gunners

[sharp jackal]

I don`t honestly. Even with purge

[shy crag]

honestly i rarely use deflector, only the odd time when I'm basically about to die, or everyone else is dead and im trying to hero it and res people.

I usually use non-force melee weapons for the fast passive quel

[ornate hamlet]

But in some missions those pesky shooters just come from all sides and I have no chance to block it all

[manic needle]

What makes you say that?

[ornate hamlet]

In a corridor or on smaller map areas it really shines for me

[sharp jackal]

You will die either way in T5 if you get surrounded by shooters, deflector or not

Positioning > deflector

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah ^^

Maybe I just need better strategies for the two rooms I am thinking of

[manic needle]

The main advantage of deflector is for survivability when moving to a better position

[sharp jackal]

you also have team-mates

[manic needle]

Or if you stack the right stats you can help the team by distracting ranged while they take them out, assuming youre using purgatus

Max Stamina + BLock Efficiency are the stats that help with peril blocking

[ornate hamlet]

Yes! But improving on the game in areas where I suck is always a good idea ^^^

[manic needle]

Not that Id recommend stacking stam curios

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm, interesting. Why does stamina help with peril blocking?

[manic needle]

Especially since the FS seems to have a 1.5x modifier connected to its block cost

[sharp jackal]

It is, but you have to work with tools that you have. If you have purg, then your only range option is BB

[ornate hamlet]

is this a good one to upgrade?

[manic needle]

The formula for peril blocking is (stamina block cost x 0.25) / Max Stamina

[sour bison]

less than 6k on steam

damn

[ornate hamlet]

369 base stats, good one to upgrade?

Yes!

[sharp jackal]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

Aaah that's nice! Ty!

[manic needle]

How Block cost redux factors in is not 100% clear, but it presumably lowers stamina block cost

[ornate hamlet]

what's the best build for purgatus staff?

Ah nice, I already learned a lot. Ty all

do purgatus staff kills count as "soulblaze effects" for ascendant blaze?

[manic needle]

Direct staff damage doesnt

but the burn effect applied by the staff does

[sharp jackal]

I run this

with

[ornate hamlet]

so ascendant blaze is best if using purgatus then?

[sharp jackal]

rampage is to go on that sword

[manic needle]

You could probably swap out Communion for Aura in that build and have it be pretty good

[sharp jackal]

I like it a lot. Becouse you can clear room full of shooters on 6stacs

this goes thru cover

range is not bad on it. test it in meat grinder

[deft fiber]

I don't think so, but as many people as many opinions. My logic behind is that you don't need additional horde clear, better to spec around BB in case you using purgatus.

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but the thing is, i've always been a surge user.. so ..
surge - like BB - goes through cover

[sharp jackal]

its for long range - room clears

not for bursting hordes

[manic needle]

Some people do prefer Kinetic Barrage on Purgatus, I cant blame them

[sharp jackal]

Barage will do the same thing. but imo much slower

[deft fiber]

You can do it with BB as well and most likely your team will clear ranged faster than AB.

[ornate hamlet]

Sorry, I don't understand. What is your shooter clear option?

[exotic compass]

I have been trying dat “suicidal” penance

For 7 days

It forced me to run a gun build with a bleed dagger

[sharp jackal]

depends, on some rooms there is shit ton of cover and shooters. You just press F and wait. Its also good "panic" button.

[exotic compass]

It turns out to be really fun

My recon las can burn. Maybe it is bugged

[ornate hamlet]

Aah I understand

[manic needle]

Or it just has the Infernus blessing

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe I'll try that as well.

[manic needle]

Melk has given me at least one t4 infernus on a gun of some kind every day for the past week

I want to die

[sharp jackal]

Test both honestly, find what works for you.

i Like AB far more, as it helps with stacs also.

[ornate hamlet]

Does 6stack F kill shooters on damnation?

[exotic compass]

My question is how much damage the overcharge does?

[sharp jackal]

yes

and snipers too

[ornate hamlet]

Ha, that is awesome

Thanks for the input!

[exotic compass]

That is only penance I missed for psyker

[deft fiber]

My problem is that AB good only at 6 stacks and you most likely won't have this 6 stacks if you go into new room and will get them only after. My experience wasn't really positive, but some people like this build and have a good results 🙂 But for me it's too conditional and unreliable to run.

[sharp jackal]

True, sometimes stacs are low. especially after elevators.

But it is a trade off

[ornate hamlet]

Yes and mostly, the situations I struggle the most are before the elevators 😂

[manic needle]

KB is always a good go-to IMO, it can supplement a Purga build as well as any other. I still like AB with that staff in the rare cases Im going to use it though

[ornate hamlet]

Clearing corruption or auspexing while shooters come from all sides

[sharp jackal]

This is the BB part of the game, sadly

[ornate hamlet]

Yes and in some of those rooms there is little cover

which one should i refine

(i'm upgrading that green)

[sharp jackal]

The best thing is, it builds stacks with purge. So if you are fighting elites and get a horde and you are on high peril then you can just "F" and delete the horde and majority of elites

[ornate hamlet]

Yep, I'll try it when I get home

[manic needle]

Do you really need communion in a build with it though? Id mostly be running both if I were doing Essence Harvest or Kinetic Overload

[sharp jackal]

infested imo

[ornate hamlet]

communion is always the best option, fuck everybody else

let them feed you not the other way around 😛

[manic needle]

AB is actually an interesting alternative to communion that other staffs dont have

[ornate hamlet]

On the other hand you are loosing a lot of regen from the missing auto BB

[sharp jackal]

I hate other options honestly. Aura could be good

[exotic compass]

Is dueling sword good for clearing horde?

[sharp jackal]

There are better options, so to say.

[manic needle]

Its alright, I prefer a Mk. 5 CAxe but dueling sword has more mobility going for it

[exotic compass]

I have a similar one I saw in previous post

506 rating but lower stats

[ornate hamlet]

1st roll lol, should i keep?

[exotic compass]

I run a dagger with guaranteed bleed rn

[manic needle]

Maybe go for crit chance

[sharp jackal]

I would go for % specialists

[manic needle]

In case you werent aware, crits on Puragtus apply two stacks of soulblaze instead of one

[exotic compass]

Should I use more heavy attack with that sword

[manic needle]

Hence why people go for Warp Nexus

[ornate hamlet]

oh really? so i got lucky with warp nexus too?

noice

[spice veldt]

The perks only apply to the direct damage dealt by Purgatus rather than the Soulblaze ticks, right? So yeah crit is probably the better option

[exotic compass]

Ty

[orchid nest]

the perks do actually increase soulblaze damage

[spice veldt]

ooh

interesting

[ornate hamlet]

like this?

[orchid nest]

yeah flak and crit is good

[sharp jackal]

But doesn`t "burn" roll idicates max stacs of burn per target?

[ornate hamlet]

ok thx for the input guys, i'm going to go try this thing out and see if i like it more than surge.. tbh i .. probably won't, but we'll see

[sharp jackal]

genuinely curious, cuz there is no monster in meat grinder and I have no way to check

[ornate hamlet]

Aah one other thing. I don't recognize any difference on suppression with a purgatus staff with or without Terrifying Barrage. What am I missing? I feel like those gunners cower around me and where I direct the flames

At least in the meat grinder

[sharp jackal]

Its kinda, redundant imo

[orchid nest]

there is max stacks but reaching them faster is still relevant, especially for the elites mixed in.

against monstrosities though yeah you'll notice it less

[ornate hamlet]

dude, i've been using this for a long time, and even tho a lot of people seem to recommend terrifying barrage, i think it's crap.
like yeah, ONCE IN A WHILE i notice them crouching in fear, but it seems to me like it has a hidden cooldown or something

i think it's a lot less useful than people pretend it is

terrifying barrage is overrated imo

[sharp jackal]

thanks

[ornate hamlet]

especially on surge because you stun lock them anyway

Yeah, I feel the same. But I saw some staffs here with it, so I was curious what you guys think

i think on surge in particular, it's just useless

cause you're stunlocking anyway

i'd rather have less peril, or more dps or somethin

[orchid nest]

purg has a large amount of built in suppression, you can see it when inspecting the cloud radius stat. so yeah you won't really notice barrage at all on it

[ornate hamlet]

i do LOVE surge staves tho

when you realize that it basically works through cover and through walls,

and start using it like BB where you begin the charge IN line of sight, and finish the charge behind cover, you can start to really enjoy it

Thanks a lot 😉

it CHAINS to enemies too

so you can just sit around a corner, and keep CCing the first enemy through the doorway, and it'll chain to everything else

you can also keep ranged enemies from using cover AT ALL

it just works through cover

and of course will CC everything short of monstrosities

the only issue is, it's damage just isn't that high

[lean python]

Also isnt TB still just not working or did they finally get around to fixing it?

[ornate hamlet]

you rely on teammates to kill while you just stunlock everything

[orchid nest]

I haven't ever really noticed it working much at all myself

[ornate hamlet]

so yeah, i'm going to play around with purgatus more, and see how much i like it after giving it a chance again

but i'll probably go right back to surge

[manic needle]

Do people still pretend Terrifying Barrage is really useful?

Most seem to say its mediocre at best

[ornate hamlet]

dogs, mutant chargers, pox bursters, they're all just super easy to deal with using surge

[sharp jackal]

Someone does? Never heard anyone defending it

[ornate hamlet]

it's just overrated imo, i've used it a LOT and i really think it's useless, particularly on surge

[ornate hamlet]

That would explain why it makes no difference xD

[sharp jackal]

TB also seems bad for a lot of staffs, you dont want them to seek cover. You want them to stand there and die

[orchid nest]

when you're trying purg just don't forget the left click, it's your go to for cc for non ogryn elites, specials you need to interrupt, can push bursters with it similar to melee during the jump, push dogs. doesn't work on mutants. basically, you don't lose all CC using it.

[lean python]

Not me holding on to my T4 TB staff because when they finally implement crafting and get TB fixed it may be useful to suppress whatever doesnt get surged within 8 meters

[ornate hamlet]

yeah.. aiming left mouse shots with staves blows tho

[cyan notch]

i think its appropriately rated (mid)

[ornate hamlet]

Does anyone else feel like the pushback on purg is inconsistent on puxbursters?

[spice veldt]

poxbursters are kind of funky with fire though

yeah

every time i have a flamethrower on our team, no one can pull off a successful shove lol

[ornate hamlet]

it's not inconsistent, if they have already begun their divebomb, then it does NOT work - consistently

[spice veldt]

i just look at my team's healthbars in anticipation

[ornate hamlet]

you can't F them either

[spice veldt]

yeah

[orchid nest]

it works if you do it while they are armed and start the jump animations, a lot more consistent than melee pushing them

[sharp jackal]

Its shit. Just push with weapon or F if you are in panic mode

[spice veldt]

gives em stagger resistance

[ornate hamlet]

It feels inconsistent before the dive

[cyan notch]

i have never tried left clicking poxburster cuz youll never catch me with my staff out when a burster is running at me

[ornate hamlet]

if pox burster has already begun their divebomb animation you CANNOT surge interrupt or F interrupt them

if they haven't dived yet, you can consistently interrupt them but keep in mind the surge interrupt doesn't happen immediately - it takes a second to actually happen
you will notice on dogs, pox, chargers etc, there's a delay

[lean python]

Just use Surge, it ACTIVELY pushes the very far far away AND knocks them down so they have to get back up

[spice veldt]

the surge staff will kill bursters if you stun them after they trigger their detonation

[manic needle]

Sometimes dealing with poxbursters in a pug can be fun

Always nice when you set yourself up to push it backwards and a vet bursts them right in front of you

[cyan notch]

no you can ive pushed and used F on jumping bursters it works

[ornate hamlet]

the key to using surge effectively against pox, dogs and mutant chargers is to make sure you can begin your interrupt from a distance, don't try to do it when they're almost on top of u

[manic needle]

Sometimes Ill stagger them with a void headshot for that reason

[orchid nest]

I seek them out on purpose with my purg staff because I don't trust the rest of the team to do it right. only way it doesn't work is if someone starts shooting it and they gain stagger resist from the stumbling animation

[sharp jackal]

Does work, if there are in the air. Can confirm

[ornate hamlet]

never works for me

what sub said makes sense tho, that might be why

[sharp jackal]

F push is dependent heavily on distance

[ornate hamlet]

• i think there's just a lot of lag in this game

[spice veldt]

here's footage of somebody killing a burster with Surge
https://youtu.be/WK6lHrOOfSk?t=221

[summer prairie]

F push strength depends on your warp stacks, not sure if it matters here

[ornate hamlet]

like when snipers are shooting your team through cover and stuff

the game's just janky

desync and stuff

[sharp jackal]

I have a question for those using KB a lot. Does it push dogs of teammates even on very far range like AB?

[orchid nest]

as long as the burster isn't taking fire from someone else and you do the purg left click while they are in the air it'll work every time basically

[lean python]

I def feel that server tick the most on snipers

[vestal finch]

I thought it's dependent on peril?

[cyan notch]

might as well just push with melee

[ornate hamlet]

honestly, usually when i'm playing with pugs and we wipe, it's because some sniper is shooting all of us through walls

like yeah, there's other stuff going on, but some sniper is hackin lol

[orchid nest]

feels a lot more consistent than melee is why I fall back on the purg. not dependent on stamina you may not be full on, they don't randomly ignore it like melee pushes do sometimes even when it should work

[ornate hamlet]

snipers shouldn't be able to shoot you through other enemies, it's dumb that they can

we should be able to use horde as cover from snipers

[summer prairie]

it's definitely the stacks, not peril

[sharp jackal]

They should. That would be too easy if horde would block them.

[ornate hamlet]

nah

[sharp jackal]

It has FF you know, the sniper shot

[ornate hamlet]

vet players can't shoot through ogryn so why should sniper be able to shoot you through enemy ogryn and shit

makes no sense

[lean python]

Would be a hole lot funnier if the horde took collateral from it too

[vestal finch]

It's a machina sniper

[sharp jackal]

You can with revolver for instance

[cyan notch]

melee is most consistent for me and i can block while walking towards it and more dodge distance

[orchid nest]

i'll melee if I need to block yeah. even if you consider the pushes equal though it's like a push attack that reaches 14m in a cone so the jank will always be less

[loud peak]

FYI if you're having trouble picking out elites in a crowd with BB, sweep across their heads while aiming with RMB. They're taller so it'll latch onto them.

[manic needle]

Melee is definitely consistent as long as your teammates dont sandbag imo

Or surge staff if you have it

[orchid nest]

yeah surge is ideal

[sharp jackal]

or you can just sprint away and let it explode on Vet 😉

[orchid nest]

as long as you mark it after cause team mates forget it's there alive still

[manic needle]

You can always surge then brainburst, it takes a while for them to get back up afterwards

[orchid nest]

I usually do if I'm using surge, yeah. as long as I can. Often though it will be like, a lot of shit will be going on and it's not a priority at the exact second because it takes so long to recover

[manic needle]

To be fair situations where there's a lot of other stuff to deal with are also the situatoins where surge will be less useful

[lean python]

Surge, Surge, Quell to 60%, surge again , repeat. Itll die eventually if u need the cc around u as well (praying TB works someday)

[manic needle]

It would suck to try and use surge against a burster only for it to hit everything but

[lean python]

And thats how u know when Big E is not favoring u lol

[orchid nest]

for sure. I just run into situations all the time where it's like - I surged a burster, I'm dodging a trapper, a flamer is charging up. I just mark it and leave it is what I meant in that situation. I've had it happen a lot where people run up on it killing whatever and forget it's there in the heat of the moment.

[cyan notch]

thats why sometimes i just go for the push to instant kill it

dont need to worry about time bomb on the floor

[orchid nest]

yeah you should for sure if the opportunity is there

I played surge out though for myself I think. tried it again tonight for a couple games and I just get bored quickly

[manic needle]

Its the type of staff youll only have fun with if you also have fun stagger tanking enemies with Ogryn tbh

effortlessly dealing with scabs is a nice plus too but situational

[orchid nest]

yeah I did enjoy it for a pretty long time, just burnt out I guess

[manic needle]

Staffs like Voidstrike are more satisfying because they rely more on player performance

[cyan notch]

surge is nice with a decent team

u can just relax

[manic needle]

Yeah its pretty low stress

[orchid nest]

yeah very true. surge and antax are both the easiest skill wise. if you just want to chill it's cool

[ornate hamlet]

well, gotta admit, i am liking purgatus for horde clears and dps, doesn't have the same CC on elite packs that surge has tho, especially on ogryn enemies

using

this allows for maximum peril resist uptime

[lucid horizon]

psy friends I have a doubt, is the critical rate important in melee weapons?

[ornate hamlet]

which means more purgatus spam

[sharp jackal]

crit chance or crit dmg?

[ornate hamlet]

honestly, i don't use melee AT ALL anymore unless in a pinch with peril and F ability is on CD

[lucid horizon]

crit chance when u attack with melee weapon

[ornate hamlet]

hit melee their face for crit

[sharp jackal]

I like it on DS

[lucid horizon]

me too, but I'm told it's important the crit chance

[ornate hamlet]

pretty sure you can just melee their face and it's a guaranteed crit

the game STILL hasn't given me any good melee weps, and i'm fine with it, i use either surge staff or purgatus nearly 100% of the time, and when i'm not it's because i'm using BB

i only melee if i cannot afford to keep using staff because peril is very high and F ability is on CD

[lucid horizon]

then should i change the critical ability for the melee weapon to a different one?

[fringe remnant]

not unless you have something that interacts with it, like the flame on crit

[lucid horizon]

I have the electrical one

[ornate hamlet]

i'd worry much more about getting your staff upgraded and curios first

melee wep last

[lucid horizon]

I got a 380 from a melee weapon, but it has the critical thing

[sharp jackal]

Depends, staff is more important. You want your melee weapon to compliment staff and other gaps. Some weapons can benefit from crit. Like DS (crit goes in some % thru armor)

[sharp jackal]

show it

[lucid horizon]

its in spanish

ok

[ornate hamlet]

@lucid horizon pay attention to this number here

[ornate hamlet]

the modifiers number is the true representation of how good a wep is

[lucid horizon]

i know

[ornate hamlet]

k

[orchid nest]

I prefer essence on first tier and ascendant blaze for purg but this can work too. only thing I can say I wouldn't take at all is mind in motion, quelling is already pretty fast on a staff movement speed wise and mixing slides in and you aren't even really slower (and safer in general anyways)

[ornate hamlet]

yeah 380 is a nice roll

[sharp jackal]

there are some blessing for this sword that work on crit if im not mistaken. I would not re-roll it before seeing blessings

[lucid horizon]

but has the crit chance

[lucid horizon]

okay, that's what I wanted to hear

thank u all

[sharp jackal]

this for instance

[ornate hamlet]

guess i'll die

[manic needle]

This is the loading screen you see right before the game yeets you through the walls to die in the world barrier

[sharp jackal]

I feel like if solo play goes live, the Out of bounds runs will be insane

[orchid nest]

every time I see your avatar I think of the depressing ending

[sharp jackal]

Of the cartoon?

[orchid nest]

that dinosaurs sitcom. isn't that what it's from?

[sharp jackal]

Yep

[orchid nest]

the baby just wanted to live

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[cyan notch]

are there even any

[sharp jackal]

probably, looks like all the V2 "quirks" are there. I think you can corner phase with right weapons. But i haven`t see any speedruns yet.

[orchid nest]

I haven't even thought about that but yeah we haven't really seen many entire map skips like the several that came up in v2

[cyan notch]

cuz we dont have teleporting ults

[sharp jackal]

You can phase in diffent way. Like corner phase on Pit for instance.

[cyan notch]

idk what that is

[sharp jackal]

basically if you have right speed and angle on the tip of the corner, you can just ignore wall.

[marsh ermine]

Howdy y'all, how goes being psyker tonight

Ive been maining zealot for the longest time, but thought psyk might be next next option to level and play often next

Any general advice or pointers to good sources available around here?

[manic needle]

Dont focus on maintaining stacks of Warp Charge, especially at low levels

[marsh ermine]

As they aren't particularly necessary at low levels and doing so can be detrimental to learning the class more holistically?

[manic needle]

At higher levels youll have feats that make them easier to maintain, so you don't have to brain burst random trash to maintain them

Focus on being useful to the team. The damage boost from Warp Charge stacks is only 12% normally or 18% with the Warp Battery feat

Also at very low levels you won't even have feats that synergize with Warp Charges, making them less useful

My next tip would be to learn Peril breakpoints (97% and lower is safe to use BB, for example), and how to take advantage of passive quelling, since you won't have good staffs to use right away

[marsh ermine]

Oooh good tip, ty. I have just barely rolled my psyker and don't have much of grasp on peril yet

[manic needle]

So when you're holding a Force Weapon (Force Sword or any of the 4 Force Staffs) your peril naturally quells more slowly. Instead, you get an active quell ability on those weapons similarly to having Brain Burst active

[vestal finch]

Press G, hold right click until the number on your screen reaches 100

Press R to hear the voices

[manic needle]

One advantage of having at least one non-force weapon is faster peril quelling without having to sit and actively quell

Of course even with a Force Sword/Force Staff build you can still get passive quelling if you switch to a pickup item (medkit, scriptures, etc), but thats only useful when youre not in combat and are running to the next location/encounter

Active quelling (holding the R Key with a Force weapon or Brain Burst equipped) is most efficient with Force Staffs - it's actually a lot faster than other forms of active quelling due to all Force Staffs having a Quell Speed stat

Also, while active quelling and holding a staff, you're less anchored in place

[marsh ermine]

Good to note, ive mained zealot entirely and want to branch out. Psyk seems most interesting and I've seen some pull off great clutches, as well as just a smoother game in general when they are aroind

[manic needle]

One other thing to note is that you can dodge+slide while using BB and quelling. Be sure to use that to your advantage. Some people complain that BB leaves them vulnerable and every time I just assume theyre probably bad with move tech

[vestal finch]

So many times I've dodged and slid and still got hit

[marsh ermine]

Ahhh, that should synerge nicely with zealy skills at least then, sliding is our bread and butter

[manic needle]

TIming on dodging is weird in this game, because everything and their mother does sprinting underhand sweep attacks

[orchid nest]

yeah really slow long distance swings

[manic needle]

dodge too early and things will just step forward and hit you anyway lol

[vestal finch]

Feels very different from vermintide in that way

[cyan notch]

thats the stupid part why does everything do running attacks from miles away

its like if every enemy was a sliding chaos warrior

[vestal finch]

I feel like I can't see most attacks from horde fodder mobs coming in VT

In DT they do the opposite and take ages to wind up

[cyan notch]

hitboxes are massive too

you have to just block and push some attacks

[manic needle]

Sometimes it does feel like Darktide was made by a completely different team than Vermintide lol

I get that they wanted us to feel "less like heroes" or whatever but the execution is a bit underwhelming

[marsh ermine]

Yeah I've spent a lot of time improving dodge timing in this game, somewhat similar but to vt2 but different enough to mater

Tbf it does feel very much less heroic to get stunlock by trash ranged units constantly :P

[floral solstice]

just dont ask any psyker stuff on zealot channel, you know how it is there

[marsh ermine]

Is rha the feat that's let's you tank dh

[floral solstice]

earlier someone said surge staff is bad because damage is low, on zealot channel kek

[ornate hamlet]

damage on surge staff is low tho

[floral solstice]

it is

[ornate hamlet]

all the other staves can outdps it

[floral solstice]

So is it bad now?

[ornate hamlet]

surge staff is amazing for CCing groups of elites

which makes everything way easier for your group to kill

[floral solstice]

Basically the guy said surge staff is a meme because all it does is cc

[vestal finch]

Surge staff IS a meme

[ornate hamlet]

that's pretty much all it does @floral solstice, the damage is so-so

[floral solstice]

Meanwhile my easiest high intensity t5's are on surge psyker, and im a zealot main

[vestal finch]

They should have kept the epileptic nerf in the game

[marsh ermine]

Yeah, I could revive anyone at anytime, still mostly could but it just came out that there's a major bug with thy wrath be swift cancelling your TDR bonuses

[ornate hamlet]

i love surge staff, because it works through walls and cover, but it's dps is very low

[floral solstice]

i know. charging it can still kill scabs.

[ornate hamlet]

yes, slowly

[floral solstice]

again, i know.

[ornate hamlet]

all other staves are better except stupid trauma, trauma would be pretty good if it didn't generate so much peril

[marsh ermine]

But I don't like giving up a 15% tdr buff for me and the team to not get staggered. Been reworking my build

[vestal finch]

#zealot-class

[marsh ermine]

What's rhat

[vestal finch]

You.

[marsh ermine]

No

I jest you

Because you weren't paying g attention to the context of the conversation

[vestal finch]

#zealot-class

[marsh ermine]

Oh

Yeah I'm a reg there but someone mentioned.... Zealot feels here

Silly

[vestal finch]

I wonder who did that

[marsh ermine]

It's ok to mention other classes here and over there

I'm not tryna make this into zelot chat 1.0

[vestal finch]

No, you're making it 2.0

[marsh ermine]

Too bad

Someone else mentioned it first

And I'll respond

Stop me

And it's actually relevant here anyways

As the coherency buff you'd normally receive can easily be negated by bugs

I have my own set of expertise to share, and will do so if warranted

[wet jacinth]

[marsh ermine]

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My friend

I notice

[vestal finch]

Delusional

[oblique hemlock]

I'm going to hurt you

[marsh ermine]

Sad and bad troll so it all washes out

No?

[vestal finch]

Coping in progress

[marsh ermine]

Yeah, hes only level 5

[floral solstice]

Please tell me this didn't start because i mentioned that bad psyker take on zealot channel

[marsh ermine]

No

[vestal finch]

It's all your fucking fault!

[marsh ermine]

I came here to seeek advice

And insight into psyk

[floral solstice]

And then some dude basically explained what the surge staff does to me, a weapon ive been using for dozens of hours kek

Missing the initial point seems to be a talent to some

[wet jacinth]

The palpatine staff

[manic needle]

What take?

[oblique hemlock]

Cry until level 30

[marsh ermine]

Because it seems an interesting and powerful class

[floral solstice]

That surge staff is a meme, and the person's reasoning is simply because it's low on dps that it's unusable

[marsh ermine]

That bad?

[manic needle]

Oh yeah thats pretty bad

[floral solstice]

Meanwhile i clear t5 while doing my laundry with a surge staff with ease

[oblique hemlock]

It's great, but only after you reach 30

[wet jacinth]

Psyker is a lot of copium until 30

[vestal finch]

It is boring.

[marsh ermine]

Oh I assume it's great eventually but a slow burn eh?

[manic needle]

I dont think level 30 is when Psyker comes into their own, but low level play is definitely hard

[floral solstice]

Sadly the "death is a form of CC" is applicable in a couple of games, so they bring that mindset here

[marsh ermine]

I've seen wicked fucking psyk clutches

[vestal finch]

Psyker was my first class and it wasn't that bad

[manic needle]

Probably mid teens/low 20's is when Psyker gets enough tools to start shining, provided the armoury lets you get some useful gear

[vestal finch]

In fact, I'm making a brand new one and it's yet again not that bad

[oblique hemlock]

Yeah, it's basically crawl through the sewer pipe for 30 miles until you reach absolution

[manic needle]

And the other one that most people dont bother with 😉

[marsh ermine]

Might as well be my next class to level then

[oblique hemlock]

I still gotta do every penance cause they're shit

[marsh ermine]

So I can get it over with and to the fun part lol

[wet jacinth]

A penance hater :v

[manic needle]

Warp charge expenditure when you use F ability, which lowers the cooldown of F ability

[oblique hemlock]

I hate them but I do them

[floral solstice]

Ok but who is the genius who came up with Wrack and Ruin and why does it only do 2 stacks

[wet jacinth]

[marsh ermine]

One serious q tho

[oblique hemlock]

I did warp battery no problem but the rest are ridiculous (not including cliffhanger cause it's easy just situational)

[floral solstice]

Well the game's still in beta, my steam banner says so too

[marsh ermine]

Does psyker get shat on that bad slot by other classes

[wet jacinth]

Yes

[floral solstice]

Wot, elaborate, im so dumb i didnt understand the q

[marsh ermine]

Cause like, as zealot, I'm hype for a psyk on my team tbh

[wet jacinth]

Yes

[compact cargo]

Why run psyker when you can run 4 ogryns

[marsh ermine]

Way more than a vet or ogryn

[floral solstice]

Oh yeah I'd rather have a good psyker on my team than an extra vet tbh

[marsh ermine]

I accidentally pissied off a psyk I queues into a mission with

[wet jacinth]

Sadly in pubs at least. Good psykers are once in a blue moon

[marsh ermine]

I asked them if they were running a more cc build/staff

And if not I'd take flamer

[vestal finch]

You see a blue glow around your head

[floral solstice]

To be fair, randoms are a different breed, but the best players i've met are mostly from random queues too

[wet jacinth]

You mean highlighting targets the vets will shoot

[marsh ermine]

Ooooooowwwww, my head feels like it's.. bout to explode!

[vestal finch]

Imagine if they add friendly fire in the future

[oblique hemlock]

I too hate the average vet

[vestal finch]

and they let psykers BB teammates

[floral solstice]

i like killing specials before vet even points with barrage

[marsh ermine]

I was just asking if they were running a more cc build and suggesting I could do that instead if they weren't

[manic needle]

Less of a problem at the higher difficulties, especially in High Intensity matches

There's simply too many elites and specials for the vet to waste time stealing kills

[marsh ermine]

And they explained they were running purg staff and swapped cancel