psyker-class

[manic needle]

Yeah, which is unfortunate tbh

Lots of missions but not as much variety

[covert ermine]

People tend to forget how buggy vt2 was on release

[thick pecan]

Can anybody help me get malleus montorum

[zinc phoenix]

I think the map variety is bugging people but the maps are honestly way cooler

[covert ermine]

Worse than Darktide

[tacit cargo]

It feels like 5 and even if it's more, everything being random doesn't actually help gameplay it just makes the game even less accessible for newer players

Tho the maps themselves look dope

Also that

[zinc phoenix]

Disagree, it means way more variety in missions actually played. Much of VT2 quick play for the longest times was just jumping into teams speed running horn of magnus

[covert ermine]

Even now in vt2 you can find rats partolling sky

[ruby narwhal]

jumps up and down waving Can somone help me with picking talents please!

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is four?

[ruby narwhal]

Kinetic Deflection, Kinetic Shield, Mind in Motion

[zinc phoenix]

Kinetic deflection and it’s not even close

[austere estuary]

top two are very good

[covert ermine]

AND there's vt1 and it was pretty buggy at release too...

[tacit cargo]

I'd be fine with how it is now if we could actually choose maps, but getting missions for silo cluster nr. huhduh and then never even getting the map in any reasonable difficulty to play on makes it kinda whack

[austere estuary]

I like kinetic shield overall the most

[clear heath]

I think if they want to encourage people to play different maps each time, a good middle ground would be to have everything available, but have a random selection of maps with like 1.5x rewards or something to get people to play them

[ruby narwhal]

Thanks 🙂

[long wharf]

I think this is a good idea

[austere estuary]

kinetic deflection is good with either a non force weapon or a force sword with deflector blessing

[long wharf]

have a Priority bonus for specific maps and missions

[zinc phoenix]

Then people would optimize for the one that was most efficient in time for reward. Instead they’re all forced to actually play different stuff if they want a particular difficulty

[long wharf]

not being able to pick the map+mission you want is a detriment to the game

[austere estuary]

it's incredibly difficult to avoid players optimising the fun out of playing

[zinc phoenix]

I know it’s kinda suck to be forced to play the mission you aren’t into, but the alternative is nauseating amounts of speed running

[austere estuary]

^

[long wharf]

that's only a problem if you're doing pugs

[austere estuary]

we already have people complaining about not being able to get damnation runs

[zinc phoenix]

The vast majority of players are pugs

[long wharf]

a healthy community has no problems with forming premades

[austere estuary]

I would wager heavily that most people play pugs

healthy community or no

in most games

[tacit cargo]

Ah yes. Forcing players to do things even tho they'd like agency themselves always works great. Quick play would still give random factor for any difficulty, but leaving out the option entirely just takes away from the actual amount of accessible content for the players.

[clear heath]

Well the idea is that the most efficient for your time would be constantly changing anyways, since the bonus would change every so often
So effectively you'd still be playing different stuff just like now unless you didn't care about rewards

[austere estuary]

and most people don't want to do the socialising stuff

they'd prefer to just jump in

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve done a few premades on this discord and honestly pugs were better 😂

[austere estuary]

If they made it so full premades set to private could pick

that'd be a happy balance imo

[long wharf]

I've done many premades on this discord, and the vast majority are better than running pugs

[manic needle]

If youre grouping with randoms on a public discord its essentially the same thing as a pug tbh

[long wharf]

and Json is right - having a Priority map+mission bonus would change the calculation for best use of time

[austere estuary]

but for public games I think on balance the randomisation is ultimately healthier for variety of gameplay for majority of people

[covert ermine]

But i doubt their pseudo procedural approach will work. Why? You still need manually assemble map on already existing examples we can see that maps of the "same" biome are significantly different in layout and accets

[manic needle]

Maybe you can coordinate builds and whatnot but the pot luck element is still there

[long wharf]

there's nothing pseudo-procedural, nor procedural, about the missions in Darktide

[zinc phoenix]

Assassination is always gonna be more efficient tho because it’s super easy and takes little time. And the mission rewards are already scaled to completion time and difficulty as is which makes people none the happier

[covert ermine]

Well... Yes.

[cyan notch]

thats exactly what a pug means lol (pick up group)

[zinc phoenix]

It’s my term, and I meant that they made everything modular and reusable so that they could manually reconfigure the same stuff many different ways

[long wharf]

difference is here on discord, you can chat and coordinate before starting a mission

[clear heath]

Yeah but with my idea, assassination might not get the bonus. If some investigation mission got 1.5x or 2x or whatever, you might run that

[long wharf]

if the group doesn't want to do what you want, just leave and find another

[zinc phoenix]

Which is sorta like procedural generation but with a manual element

Hence pseudo procedural

[long wharf]

you aren't forced into a mission with people already trying to do different things

[zinc phoenix]

But most of the time people chat about useless 💩 like how high they are

[long wharf]

except the missions don't

[manic needle]

The difference over solo queueing is an extra level of preparation time though. You arent at the mercy of matchmaking regarding things like class comp

[long wharf]

you don't get different map layouts for the same mission type on a specific map

there's nothing procedural about it

[tacit cargo]

Why not just let people play whatever they want? It's a coop game, not like you get on anyone's bad side or abuse stuff if you wanna run the same mission 10 times for mats

[austere estuary]

I've seen in other games though, when there's a lot of content and no randomisation, people sometimes even in solo start complaining that they're sick and bored of running the one run/mission/map/etc, and they're not having fun - it's incredibly easy to have that happen and people slip into that all the time

[zinc phoenix]

It’s on their side that the maps are modular. A designer can grab different chunks and assemble them for a mission quickly. Many:many relationship. On our side 1:1 mission:map (which is a set of map chunks)

[clear heath]

Because it actually does get boring to queue into quickplay and get screaming bell for the 500th time because that's what everyone's farming

[tacit cargo]

If anything with current drop rates I'd appreciate not having to run 30-40 minute missions ever single time

[lunar jasper]

Hadron called me a good varlet

[long wharf]

I think you actually don't know what "procedural" means

a map designer moving set pieces around and releasing a new map variant is not "procedural"

[zinc phoenix]

And that’s why they don’t let you

[cyan notch]

thats why i use lobby browser

[tacit cargo]

Then just run a different mission yourself?

[long wharf]

the game generating a map from pre-designed set pieces and randomly orienting those pieces, that would be procedural

[tacit cargo]

Which is hideous design

[covert ermine]

I mean i would like new maps and stuff but look most fun part was when I was playing with my friend as a Preachers and we just running around eviscerating everyone and screaming

[austere estuary]

people already complaining about it being hard to get random groups in damnation

it'd be 10x worse when it's even more funnelled

if they let people choose, it'd have to be in private games only to avoid that

[tacit cargo]

If you hang around the discord for like 3 days there's enough damnation players to keep you busy for quite some time if you just add people to your fl

[zinc phoenix]

… I’ve explained it twice, so here’s a third time. Procedural generation is computer taking usually predesigned chunks and creating a map or other gameplay structure out of it. In Darktide the designer takes the map chunks and assembles them for a mission. In Vermintide the designer had to hand craft the map for the mission, no reuse. See what I mean by pseudo procedural?

[austere estuary]

most people don't touch discord

[covert ermine]

When you squeeze all fun of the game for sake of efficiency it get boring quickly

[austere estuary]

and don't want or intend to

[tacit cargo]

Many damnation players do though, since they are looking for exactly that

[zinc phoenix]

I literally stopped playing VT2 because quick play was endless farming of the same map

[tacit cargo]

Comms and decent players

[austere estuary]

... but most don't?

[long wharf]

... the fact that you think you're saying something different just means I'm wasting my time explaining things to you

[austere estuary]

you can talk all you like about the benefits of discord, it just doesn't matter to most players

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ if you can’t get it the third time I’m done

[clear heath]

I'm sure it works in vermintide because there's a huge community of players that are good but in darktide...
I don't get a team in damnation to match with sometimes even if there's literally only 1 damnation map to choose. No one's joining me when there's only 1 option, no way in hell anyone would join me for a less efficient option if there were more choices.
That being said, i do still want the option of playing whatever when i have a group of friends. I just think random queueing would benefit from a smaller selection of choices. I think leaving everything available while having random rotating maps that get boosted rewards is the best of both worlds here

[austere estuary]

majority of players are gonna click quickplay in most multiplayer games

[tacit cargo]

I'm inclined to agree. If me and the boys wanna play some maps on damnation or need them for missions but they just don't pop up it feels like wasting time

[covert ermine]

What i hate right now its THAT STAIRS on desert maps where ai shoot you through the wall and floor

[austere estuary]

but when people start gravitating to osmething that's perceived as most efficient, it can start to skew and effevtively cut out chunks of content - even solo players fall prey to this even

[zinc phoenix]

Ok so I do agree that those weeklies are dumb and need to be redesigned

There are weeks where there simply aren’t enough missions in rotation to do enough unique ones to qualify

On the plus side the gear you get for those tickets is worthless

[tacit cargo]

And btw, with an average of 21k concurrent users in the last 30 days and almost 40k people on this discord the numbers just disagree with you

[zinc phoenix]

Most people on the discord are part of the million or so owners that aren’t playing the game

[austere estuary]

those are two very non-comparable numbers especially discord users as any kind of indication of anything

[zinc phoenix]

But they still show up in the discord list because they joined the server

For example I’m in like 70 discord servers but can only play one game at a time

69 of those games do not get to count me as part of their active community

Heh

That was accidental 😂

[tacit cargo]

Yeah guess so, but when the discord makes up 40% of the all time peak players there's bound to be a decent degree of activity from the active player base on said discord

Game peaked at 107k all time

[cyan notch]

i mean u can look at the voice channels here and count the number of people

[long wharf]

what really irks me is that Sour Milk says "I knew you'd come by, I have a contract for you"

[clear ember]

yea the current system is much better where you clear a mission on damnation and then the only options are that same mission or the one you cleared just before it too 🤡

[long wharf]

fucker, you gave me 5 contracts that I finished already, what the hell do you have for me?

[tacit cargo]

So even if only 10% of the discord is active that's still a fifth of the average users of the game

[cyan notch]

theres less than 200 people in vcs in this discord now

[long wharf]

less than 100

and the numbers have been creeping downwards daily

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but then think of the implication: the closer the discord population comes to being the daily active population, the more closely the discord skill approximates the skill of the active community as a whole

Aka: discord users are mostly no better than the randos in game

There are exceptions, some people really are that good

But… not everyone can be above average

[clear ember]

the screaming bell thing was not nearly as horrendous as this piece of shit mission select system is. and since monster dice/qp bonus are gone anyway, this game would never have been at threat of the same problem

[tacit cargo]

True, but anytime I've looked here I've found lobbies for damnation in 15 minutes max

And usually people were playable with

[clear heath]

I mean both systems suck, but they have different issues.
Just let me pick whatever i want but randomly encourage certain maps with boosted rewards. That solves both issues of lack of variety and also lack of choice

[zinc phoenix]

I think damnation is the exception because it really does need comms

[austere estuary]

steamspy estimating between 1 and 2 million owners of darktide

[clear ember]

damnation doesn't need comms

[tacit cargo]

Which is the primary difficulty we were talking about, since that's where people seem to struggle to find QP lobbies on.

[long wharf]

that... is a huge range, so large that it's not even a statistic

[austere estuary]

I've cleared all damnation on quickplay, and use the trauma staff for a chunk of it - plenty of failure but manageable

[cyan notch]

its nice to have comms but not strictly needed

[tacit cargo]

I don't have any issues getting random lobbies for heresy or malice but damnation players are rather active on here compared to the rest

So it's easier to find them on discord than in game

[covert ermine]

Damnation don't need comm but it helps immensely

[tacit cargo]

At least the ones that aren't literal human bots

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, I’ll reframe my comment re:comms more formally. Comms are neither necessary nor sufficient for Damnation success, but they do improve the odds of success sufficiently that people prefer comms to no comms for damnation runs

[austere estuary]

yeah

[cyan notch]

if you have an option why not sure

[austere estuary]

definitely matters a lot more than t4 and below

[sturdy meadow]

fellow spark 'eads, is this a good purg staff to roll?

i don't have a good purg staff

[austere estuary]

quell speed is a touch low but otherwise it's great

[tacit cargo]

I'd just take it for now and wait for a better one to upgrade

[clear ember]

id actually rather not hear random ppl chewing/breathing/telling me stuff i already know

most of my experience in damnation comms is people getting randomly stressed or telling me to watch out for stuff that has a loud as fuck audio cue

[austere estuary]

I'm so glad that using voicecoms is so rare here

[sturdy meadow]

i'd have upgraded this but the burn only stops at 14 stacks not 15

[tacit cargo]

And I very much agree. If we were able to customize bots with our equipment and talents like in VT, I'd take the bots over half the players I encounter in quick play any day.

[zinc phoenix]

Well my new framing can survive your existence 😂

[cyan notch]

bots ai is pretty bad

[wet belfry]

What perks and blessings do i want on a dueling sword?

[austere estuary]

If they don't improve bot AI, I'd happily take them just having the bots be unnaturally powerful

[zinc phoenix]

If they’d do push attacks they’d be better than the average

[tacit cargo]

Half the playerbases AI is pretty bad dude

[austere estuary]

like in FF14, before the trust system your bot parties were just like

mega chads who would take no aoe damage nearly

and have loads of hp and healing

and y know it worked

[cyan notch]

bots are pretty shit at ressing

[clear ember]

tbh sometimes i just watch my vets fighting 6-7 poxwalkers with a power sword and laugh maniacally as they panic dodge, don't active their psword or shove and somehow go down

[austere estuary]

was slower than playing with people - most of the time - but it did work

bots are hilarious res trolls

starting and cancelling their resses over and over

[cyan notch]

bots also stand in fire

[clear ember]

bots would be great if they didnt prioritize running through fire to move 5metres closer to u

[zinc phoenix]

I always wonder how people manage to f that up because I’ve seen it too

[tacit cargo]

Even in VT, where the bots generally kinds suck without the better bots mod, if you just take the tanky boys with high stagger weapons and some team buff talents they are still useful enough to help you through solo catas

[clear heath]

They just wanna warm their toes

[clear ember]

it's mystifying

[tacit cargo]

So just being able to customize them is so much QoL

[clear ember]

vets playing with camoflauge + powersword learning all the wrong lessons

[tacit cargo]

Instead of the bots being literal level 1 Chara

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not even claiming to be that good but I legit have seen vets get downed by a tiny group of pox walkers that they could easily kill without even dodging

[clear ember]

yea it's normal

in one run i saw my vet with like 5 poxwalkers near them, so i went and staggered the dog/tox flamer instead

turn around and my vet is on the floor being wailed on by said poxwalkers

like

?

[tacit cargo]

People don't press block, people don't push enemies, people don't understand what attacks of their weapons are good vs what enemies and their movement might as well be done with a joystick

[clear ember]

how do u lose 200+ toughness and half ur hp to 5 poxwalkers

when ur powersword kills 10 per swing

[summer wind]

by sitting next to them and left clicking and doing nothing else

some people don't understand that you aren't supposed to be taking hits in melee

they

'll get it eventually

[cyan notch]

bots running around with axe and laspistol doesnt help either

[thick pecan]

Can anyone help me get malleus monstorum

[summer wind]

seems to be vets mostly, but i've seen everyone do it

[austere estuary]

my vet's first powersword in the shop after unlocking had brutal momentum, at first I was happy, but now I don't know if that even adds anything to it

[zinc phoenix]

Tbf with ogryn you really can just left click your way through giant mobs of pox walkers 😂

[tacit cargo]

Not to mention priority management for the different enemies... No vet, when your team is getting gunned down by 2 reapers and a scab gunner you don't need to kill the 2 pox walkers. Your team can do that whole you delete them with your 0 suppression during ult and 2k crits from the MGXII

[clear ember]

good vs maulers + crushers + bulwarks

as in you can swing around them without it getting stuck

[clear heath]

Powersword isn't really getting stuck anyways though

[clear ember]

i still would rather rampage for more damage on stuff like ragers/maulsers

it does on those targets

at least, ppl say it does

i dont play vet enough

[austere estuary]

my vet is only lvl 20

[clear ember]

all i know is power sword is literally easymode best melee wep in game

[austere estuary]

only play it a little

fun in small doses

[zinc phoenix]

… I don’t really like power sword

[tacit cargo]

Any MkV axe with brutal momentum is superior to the Ps

[austere estuary]

end up missing psyker's more unusual skillset

[clear ember]

beautiful cope i love it

[fluid knot]

Its just always safe to assume that your Vet in pugs is shit and pick up his slack until he proves hes not. If there are gunners an reapers get rid yourself, dont wait for those numbskulls to pull thier fingers out

[tacit cargo]

It's even better on vet bro

[clear ember]

psword 2shots ragers

i love that cope

so cute

[zinc phoenix]

Constantly having to rev the power sword even against pox walkers drives me crazy

[tacit cargo]

Yeah, I've played both

[clear ember]

so have i

[zinc phoenix]

I stopped using it and switched back to axe

[clear ember]

antax mk5 is the 2nd best weapon in the game

[fluid knot]

I love MKV, but it is NOT better than Psword

[clear ember]

and it's still not nearly as good as psword

[tacit cargo]

What use is the PS special when my brutal momentum just gives me that for free

[ruby narwhal]

Is there a "best" kind of staff?

[clear ember]

the mk5 doesnt kill 10 poxwalkers in 1 swing

lmfao

[zinc phoenix]

No, there’s a best staff for particular jobs tho

[fluid knot]

Yeah a gun

[zinc phoenix]

But also yes and it’s voidstrike 👏

[tacit cargo]

But 20 in 2 if you proc Bm

[clear ember]

sorry dude but you're coping extra hard right now

[tacit cargo]

For denser groups brutal momentum is simply superior

[ruby narwhal]

lol

[clear ember]

go clip the damage you do to the 3rd+ poxwalker in psykhanium for me

but, PS can get BM as well?

lol

just go to psykhanium and show me your antax killing 6 poxwalkers together

[austere estuary]

which one is the mkV axe?

[clear ember]

no point debating, let's just show the results

[fluid knot]

Not only that it also gets a unique blessing that extends the special duration on kills/multihit i think

[austere estuary]

tbf psykarium is hardly realistic for how hordes bunch in missions

[tacit cargo]

It's obsolete on that though, there's better traits for the PS. Theres a reason that 80% of the weapon tier lists put the axes higher than the PS by now

[austere estuary]

very few and spaced out

[clear ember]

it shows the weapon's ceiling

u can push them together dude

lol

[clear heath]

just push them together and bunch them up yourself

[ornate hamlet]

Is the orange an upgrade?

[austere estuary]

I'm not gonna spend all the time it'd take to push like 10-20 into the space we often see in hordes

[sturdy meadow]

no

[austere estuary]

when they're pouring like water into a spot or a choke

[sturdy meadow]

right has better stats, perks

[zinc phoenix]

No, and damage is the dump stat on surge

[ornate hamlet]

oh yah?

What about the crit blesing?

Not worth it?

[zinc phoenix]

“Look at me mah I did a 20 damage crit!”

[clear ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/P0cv5Y8nJ8BnJ/d1337mf5WcbI?invite=cr-MSw1MjEsMzc0ODc1MTks

ignore my friend talking in the background

[ornate hamlet]

myeah

[clear ember]

this is without brutal momentum

[austere estuary]

the end of the channel on surge does do crits into 500+ range though

[tacit cargo]

Now, and this isn't even the proper axe you'd need for it, tell me how this abomination that deals like 600 damage per hit once you stack it up with infinite cleave and superior mobility is worse than a PS

[clear ember]

ok that's nice, can you now just go show it

[zinc phoenix]

I mean sure but who does that

[clear ember]

there's literally no point sitting here going back and forth "no this is better, no this, no this!"

also

[ornate hamlet]

What are good blessings for surge?

[clear ember]

"once you stack it"

cool, after you chain 10 attacks

[clear heath]

Warp Nexus
that's all

[austere estuary]

man decimator is good

[maiden wolf]

Crit chance

[zinc phoenix]

Wish I had that axe on my zealot, wasted on vet

[clear ember]

you can now cleave like 4-5 enemies at a time because taxe mk7 uses heavy > light combo, which does less damage overall and doesn't have the reach

[tacit cargo]

Ah yes. Since you only attack twice in hordes

[clear ember]

u realise pushing resets the stacks?

u have to never push to get this benefit

[zinc phoenix]

What about block?

[clear ember]

yes

[maiden wolf]

IKR

[clear ember]

blocking cancels it

[zinc phoenix]

It’s actually vet chat

[zinc phoenix]

Hol up

[clear ember]

as soon as you stop your attack chain, it completely resets the stacks

[tacit cargo]

Me too, my buddy got it yesterday. Watches him walk through endless amounts of enemies on damnation and then the bonkers numbers in the psykhanium.

[tacit cargo]

And?

[clear ember]

scotch can you just go record your mk5 axe in psykhanium

lmfao

so u cant push attack if u want that benefit

[clear heath]

If we want to talk about stacking power, you can get slaughterer on psword anyways

[maiden wolf]

Lets discuss the trauma staff. Do y'all think its unique rending perk makes in at all redeemable?

[clear ember]

i love how you say activating bad, but dw, "let's do 10 attacks in a row, that is much faster"

get a grip

[austere estuary]

rainbow I don't think I've seen anyone end every sentence with lol and lmao this much in a long ass time

[clear ember]

true, i'm laughing at this lunacy pretty hard

[zinc phoenix]

I hope they add a perk that makes you come back to life after a perils boom if you kill enough stuff. Trauma would go from garbage to ultra meme overnight

[austere estuary]

are you really though

[zinc phoenix]

The angriest laugh

[maiden wolf]

What do y'all think of the Blazing Spirit blessing? Has anyone tried it as a substitute for a purge staff?

[clear ember]

if you'd like scotch, go and show me how long it takes you to get 10 stacks of decimator

then we can compare it to how long it takes to activate

[clear heath]

holy shit, imagine people complaining about stealing kills before the explosion
would be hilarious

[maiden wolf]

That would be sick

[clear heath]

imagine two psykers going for it

[clear ember]

then we can compare your antax cleave damage and how practical decimator actually is to the power sword + slaughterer. otherwise we can just leave it at you having an uninformed and lazy opinion with no evidence, that's cool too

[austere estuary]

man this is some big mad

[zinc phoenix]

Oh god I can see it now, you line up the perfect suicide bomb resurrection and then vet kill steals exactly one and completely hoses you 😂

The chat rage would be next level

[maiden wolf]

There's a force sword with blazing spirit in my melk shop, yay or nay?

[austere estuary]

imo grab it for future votive

[maiden wolf]

lmao

[cyan notch]

power sword with power cycler and slaughterer probably nukes everything

[clear heath]

blazing spirit sucks tbh

[clear ember]

not mad, i just much prefer when ppl who make claims are willing to provide any kind of evidence, rather than the discussion going in circles with "no this is better, no this, no this!"

[austere estuary]

t4 blazing could be fun

[tacit cargo]

If you had read what I said, you'd have realized that a friend of mine dropped this axe. He streamed me his psykhanium and I've watched him go through hordes with a lot faster than with his PS, he himself said it felt a lot better too.
Don't tell me to stop coping and stop acting all superior to everyone here. You aren't, I'm not, get a grip and behave like a normal person

[maiden wolf]

Do we have any info on how that will work

[zinc phoenix]

Doesn’t force sword have crap base crit?

[clear ember]

a normal person would just provide a clip to show their weapon doing what they claim it does

[tacit cargo]

He can't read

[clear ember]

what is your friend doing on the PS then?

lights?

does the PS have slaughterer?

[austere estuary]

not precisely, but there has been mention of like melt a weapon to get one blessing votive and then something like combine 3 votives to get one of the next tier and same blessing

[tacit cargo]

No? Charged heavies?

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, I thought I should wait to see if I can find it in a surge or Void staff as a Purge staff substitute

[clear ember]

charged heavies kill 10 poxwalkers at a time

you aren't going through hordes faster with a mk7 taxe

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but the experience of playing with power sword sucks and tbh that matters more

[austere estuary]

I think rainbow has invested his life savings on highly leveraged power sword stonks

[cyan notch]

subjective though some like decimating hordes

[tacit cargo]

He should have invested in some conversational manners

[clear ember]

i'll invest in them when you invest in providing any kind of evidence to back up your claims

[fresh reef]

oh boy! I sure hope it isn't the most underwhelming thing I've ever seen!

[tacit cargo]

Also horde clear isn't everything, mobility and single target damage isn't to be scoffed at either

[clear ember]

you think PS has bad single target damage?

[tacit cargo]

With horde clear comparable to the PS this makes the axes superior

[fresh reef]

KEK

[zinc phoenix]

When they have to replace that mouse five minutes later because rev spam they’ll regret their choices oh yes muahahaha

[maiden wolf]

I'd stilk run it

[clear ember]

it isn't comparable though

[cyan notch]

thats why u get power cycler

[fresh reef]

28% burn? are you out of your mind?

[clear heath]

ahahahahaha

[maiden wolf]

Better that nothing

[clear ember]

PS 2shots flak rager

[clear heath]

it'll never show up

you will never obtain power cycler

[cyan notch]

power sword will get nerfed before it shows up

[zinc phoenix]

Power cycler isn’t real, it can’t hurt me

[clear ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/P0bcAVDj0d2w6/d1337Z32MvRe?invite=cr-MSw3MVMsMzc0ODc1MTks

DPS?

[maiden wolf]

I'm thinking of droppin psychic communion in favour of the coherency ult regen on my purgatus build. Anyoen have any experience with that?

[cyan notch]

thats a lotta damage

[clear ember]

the best DPS an axe will get on a flak rager is ~850

[summer wind]

why is this even here

[fresh reef]

starting to look a bit spicy

[clear ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/PfaugamtQ7kZ0/d13374Gbp0wK?invite=cr-MSxmejIsMzc0ODc1MTks

[cyan notch]

stop gambling

you have no money

[clear ember]

with wep swap tech the achlys has the best axe dps

[summer wind]

why is this heeeeere

[clear ember]

and it isnt close to PS

[fresh reef]

no

[zinc phoenix]

Guys this has been hilarious but this is psyker chat not vet

[clear ember]

psykers get combaxes

[summer wind]

yeah i don't get what showing power sword vs axe does for psyker

it's not really a psyker weapon

[zinc phoenix]

But they don’t get power sword 😂

[summer wind]

you can use it but uhhhhhh

it's not a psyker weapon and you're comparing it to another class's

[maiden wolf]

I got a 380 catachan as my first 380. Any tips for perks/blessings to pray for?

[clear ember]

sure, just showing evidence against rubbish claims

[summer wind]

what were the claims even

[clear ember]

ill stop talking about PS now

[summer wind]

that power sword is strong?

[clear ember]

that axes have better/comparable DPS to PS and better horde clear

[summer wind]

wtf who even said that

why

power sword is known to be busted af

[clear ember]

neither are even close to true, whether they have BM or not

[tacit cargo]

I said with the proper perks

[clear heath]

It shows us the grim reminder that we suck and vet is op

[tacit cargo]

They are comparable

[clear ember]

perks/blessings, it doesn't matter

they are not even close

[summer wind]

we don't suck, but power sword is op

[tacit cargo]

But the axes have superior mobility

[clear ember]

if you'd like, show any kind of evidence

[summer wind]

the game has weapons that are blatantly better than others and people will still go "nuh uh"

it's just how it is

[zinc phoenix]

Too bad I can’t force choke sorry brain burst a vet

[clear ember]

i've already shown axe dps on zealot which has a 20% damage boost on that axe, compared to vet PS with no damage boost and the PS totally outclasses it

[summer wind]

y'all know that enemy from stalker, the controller

that zooms your camera in to it

i like to think brain burst does that to the enemy you're doing it to

[maiden wolf]

I think what matters here is that power sword is good most of the time, but only on Vet, while axes are good with certain rolls, but are available for Psyker and Zealot.

[clear ember]

so if ur gonna pretend like axe has comparable DPS, you're just delusional

[cyan notch]

i dont think anything can compete with a power cycler slaughterer ps

[clear ember]

yeah, i 100% agree

antax mk5 axe is the 2nd best wep in the game (idk bout force sword)

in its own league

and PS is a league above that

[zinc phoenix]

I mean probably true

[clear ember]

even just slaughterer PS/rampage PS

[zinc phoenix]

But I also think the zealot will stay alive longer

[clear ember]

if mk5 is S tier, PS is SSS tier

[summer wind]

https://youtu.be/gqE5zk4XBvE
i like to think brain burst does this to enemies
(RINGING NOISE WARNING!!)

[zinc phoenix]

*ducks*

[abstract cedar]

god I love STALKER

[maiden wolf]

Do y'all think going all in on deflection and block efficiency is worth the damage tradeoff on force sword?

[zinc phoenix]

I never got into it but I did love the short story stalker was based on

[summer wind]

force sword, from my understanding, is a self defense weapon more than a killy weapon

[austere estuary]

I think it can be amazing

[zinc phoenix]

Only if you like roleplaying Darth Vader

[summer wind]

it can kill elites with the special, but it's best for keeping you alive so you can staff things better

[clear heath]

Honestly after putting 25% flak on my force sword, i would absolutely not give that up for block eff

[summer wind]

i think, anyways

[zinc phoenix]

I wish we could dual wield force sword and brain burst

[cyan notch]

theres not much all in youre going you can have +1 stam and +25 flak

[summer wind]

i wish we had a two handed force weapon

we live in hell world

[zinc phoenix]

We do, it’s called brain burst ayyyyy

[maiden wolf]

Me dual wielding brain burst

[austere estuary]

if you have the deflection and block efficiency, we're talking ability to res almost like holding an ogryn shield

[summer wind]

god damn it

er, emperor damn it

[austere estuary]

I mean we can get what... 12 from blessing, ...25? on perk, then 36 across curios

[golden bramble]

can anyone tell me if charge rate effects peril gain? meaning if youre spamming lightning as every time its up to maintain CC would a slower charge rate be better so you can maintain lower peril?

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, I've tried it. Its awesome. My FS has T2 deflector plus 20% block efficiency and +1 stamina

[zinc phoenix]

Wow finally enough brain burst to kill a moderately intelligent dreg in one go 😂

[maiden wolf]

Can't kill for shit though

[summer wind]

don't have to

[clear heath]

If you are going the block eff route, i'd like to point out that +1 stamina is stronger than 20% block eff if you're under 5 bars of max stamina.
Stamina does affect peril block efficiency

[austere estuary]

bad damage rolls?

[summer wind]

you have a staff

zealot melee has to kill things, ammo is scarse

[zinc phoenix]

That last line is a head scratcher

[summer wind]

psyker can staff whatever they want

well, not scarse but like

not infinite

[maiden wolf]

Mine has both :]

[summer wind]

you can't bolter dump a poxwalker

you can staff a poxwalker

[austere estuary]

psyker a pretty good ammo gain for a group goes forgotten a bunch

[summer wind]

yeah people tend to forget about that bonus

[zinc phoenix]

Sometimes I bolter a pox walker just because i like the sound of the bolter

[clear heath]

Iirc someone datamined and showed that 100% peril bar is equivalent to 4x all our max stamina. The more stamina you have, the more you can peril tank

[zinc phoenix]

W H A T

[summer wind]

fr?

[austere estuary]

yeah

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, I always forget to pick up ammo when I'm running guns on psyker

[clear heath]

also we did test it and rerolling a block eff perk to stamina made it better

[summer wind]

do you have it or something or is this word of mouth

[teal kite]

I swear everytime I take up a position that gives me the slightest edge over the enemy, a trapper spawns right behind me

[zinc phoenix]

me loading up on stamina like it’s 2021 and the grocery store stocks it

[austere estuary]

the formula for it was dumped somewhere

[summer wind]

i'll try it out

[austere estuary]

having higher stamina does affect peril blocking

[summer wind]

i was running +health before because i couldn't be bothered to swap trinkets

[maiden wolf]

:D

[zinc phoenix]

And here’s me all salty about my voidstrike with stamina

[austere estuary]

there it is

[zinc phoenix]

Turns out it’s helping!

[austere estuary]

I forget what's our base stam with FS?

[summer wind]

3

[maiden wolf]

Yoo, I've got to start grabbing stamina curios now

[clear heath]

Here was some of the testing for the stamina

[summer wind]

i'm still so sad that i've only gotten a single deflector and it's sub 300

[maiden wolf]

I'm just gonna walk slowly through missions while blocking without actually doing anything from now on

[summer wind]

still better than anything else tho

deflector is just so busted

was it sub 300 i forgor

i know it sucked

[austere estuary]

I haven't used deflector in ages

[cyan notch]

bruh sub 300 lol

[austere estuary]

got a tonne sitting though

[zinc phoenix]

I trashed the only one I ever got because it was sub 200

[summer wind]

it's a really insane blessing

[clear heath]

We also found out that different sources of block eff were multiplicative with eachother so this is probably the right call for deciding between the two

[summer wind]

should be a feat

[austere estuary]

waiting for votives, going to extract them all to make a t4 one

[maiden wolf]

I can't help but feel as if deflector is a crutch

[summer wind]

you can feel that way, or

[maiden wolf]

Maybe I should git gudder

[summer wind]

you can feel no pain from gunfire

[maiden wolf]

Tru

[summer wind]

in a game where guns chunk your hp

it's so insane for reviving people

[austere estuary]

I used it for like one mission or so once

and straight after had to readjust

[summer wind]

peril block + deflector, revive while getting shot and hit

[austere estuary]

was playing braindead

[summer wind]

it's so good

[maiden wolf]

Can we talk about how you can run away from hordes with the FS' infinite dodge + push

[austere estuary]

strongest revive tech in game

[summer wind]

absolutely

[austere estuary]

I want to combine it with 30% res speed

[summer wind]

yeah, psyker with a good force sword is really really hard to kill

[maiden wolf]

You don't even have to fight them

[clear heath]

Yeah i can't wait till they fix stamina curios to actually work
Right now all of them just give 1 stamina regardless of what they say. Excited to see what +3 stamina blocking looks like when it's fixed

[austere estuary]

360 degree push on FS

[summer wind]

don't wanna die? good thing you're immortal

[austere estuary]

I love it

[summer wind]

hounds and trappers and mutants are pretty much all you have to worry about

and there's ways to deal with all of those

including 3 allies

and your ult counters 2/3 of those problems

[austere estuary]

do you think they will? I got the impression stam gains were intentionally nerfed from how both t3 and t4 stam perks on weapons are +1

and both exist

[clear heath]

idk tbh

maybe they'll just change the text and nothing will actually change

I can dream though

[austere estuary]

imagine having +11 stam

14 in total on FS

peril blocking equation becomes...

[summer wind]

very strong

[clear heath]

insanity

[cyan notch]

how do u get 14

[summer wind]

you can't

[austere estuary]

if curios gave +3

[summer wind]

but it's possible in theory

[austere estuary]

you could get that

[summer wind]

or, would be if things worked as intended

[zinc phoenix]

Not from a Jedi

[austere estuary]

atm you can only get +5 afaik

[cyan notch]

+9 curio +2 fs +1 base +1 perk

[austere estuary]

+1 on both weapons, +1 on each curio

but that's a huge sacrifice

[cyan notch]

ranged weapons dont work tho

[maiden wolf]

My FS is considerably more optimized than I thought

[clear heath]

Oh i completely forgot about that
Does +1 stamina not appear on ranged weps?

[austere estuary]

not at all? thought they can get flat bonus stam without the weapon out stipulation

[cyan notch]

it appears all right

(weapon is active)

only for ranged

[clear heath]

I just assumed there was a higher tier version that removed that condition

[cyan notch]

melee its just +1 stam everywhere

[clear heath]

damn

[fallow meadow]

No idea what I can get from this but I guess it still worth buying...

[clear heath]

Well, 13 stamina then

[maiden wolf]

Do you think we've found all the broken synergies?

[austere estuary]

I bought a few good guns that popped up incase we get some better way to use them later, or incase they enable inventory sharing between characters

[zinc phoenix]

Nope

[austere estuary]

I really, really want to run 50% crit surge voidstrike

but that'd be a big rngesus blessing to get all the bits fori t

[maiden wolf]

There are a few rare blessings that I don't see emntionend much. I brought up the trauma staff rending blessing earlier

[summer wind]

people tend to focus on one thing for a while

[maiden wolf]

Maybe the melk shop will have it some day. What does it require?

[summer wind]

melk shop, afaik, is the same as the normal shop but it's purple or higher

[cyan notch]

well rending is only on trauma and its trauma so people dont pay attention to it

[summer wind]

which means you have a shop with a smaller selection

and that's it

and it costs a very limited resource to use

[austere estuary]

you need t4 nexus + t4 surge on the voidstrike, and then t4 shred on melee

[summer wind]

i just buy random stuff from melk tbh

[fluid knot]

Smaller, often highly gimped selection at that

[summer wind]

he's a scam

not worth it at all

[maiden wolf]

Force sword has two separate perks that buff power, that has to be good

[fluid knot]

Legit tho

Melk-tokens are only worth saving for when the next weapon tier comes out

[austere estuary]

axe has stam-> power & shred which I like the idea of

I think shred sticks once you swap after activating it?

not certain though

[maiden wolf]

You could maybe test with a large dataset in the meat grinder

[austere estuary]

you think they won't add new tokens and/or much higher prices/higher gain?

[fluid knot]

MKV Caxe is better than FS, i will die on this hill, so what FS can stop bullets with the right blessing, but it cant fuckin kill anything

[austere estuary]

though even if they don't, it'd be nice to collect votives still

[fluid knot]

Higher prices almost certainly, but new tokens seems a bit unlikely, unless they decide to give us daily challenges, which many of us wouldnt be that opposed to

[cyan notch]

sure if thats what you prefer

[austere estuary]

given the still rubbish stat range on melk items, but almost certain minimum t3 and much more common t4 blessings, I'm inclined to treat it as a blessing shop

[fluid knot]

At least when crafting comes out it will be 😂

[austere estuary]

yeah

[fluid knot]

See you in december!

[austere estuary]

I swear

[fluid knot]

😂

[austere estuary]

if crafting blessings is plasteel heavy

I'm gonna cry

a big ol river

[fluid knot]

Hopefully it will offset the costs by being Diamantine

[cyan notch]

better start hoarding

[austere estuary]

yeah hoping so

if it's diamantine that'd be swell

[fluid knot]

Amen

[fluid knot]

It kinda outright is though, you still benifit from the peril block feat if you run it, you just dont get to crab walk towards shootybois

[austere estuary]

what I like about the combo of staff and FS is the well-roundedness

[maiden wolf]

All the force staves have blazing spirit, that could make them generate warp charges via ascending blaze reliable with a high enough crit chance.

[cyan notch]

sure if thats what you prefer

[austere estuary]

can we really get it on purgatus? I want to believe

[clear heath]

I like the big push range and being able to block shots while reviving teammates

[austere estuary]

I have a couple of trauma staffs with blazing spirit stored up to turn into votives

[maiden wolf]

Well not really, but purgatus already applies bonus soulblaze on crit

[cyan notch]

force push is also great for a bunch of ragers and crushers

[austere estuary]

warp nexus purgatus w/ shred power sword and blazing spirit on purgatus for 2 more stacks again on crit would be amazing

imagine purgatus with near 50% crit slamming out 4 stacks per crit

melt all the things

[cyan notch]

force sword

[austere estuary]

force sword

[maiden wolf]

force sword

[gritty swift]

force sword

[night copper]

force sword

[fresh reef]

dueling sword

[austere estuary]

D:

[maiden wolf]

What do y'all think is better on gun psyker, accurate long range weapons, or spammy high firerate weapons?

[fresh reef]

[fresh reef]

playing vet

👍

[maiden wolf]

based

[austere estuary]

hig hfirerate good for bb proc

[fluid knot]

Agri' MG 1 Inf' autogun, basically no contest

[maiden wolf]

I got a machien pistol with tier 4 inspiring barrage (50% toughness regen), I thought that would synergize well with passive quell

[fluid knot]

Sadly autopistol deals piss all damage :/

It might get buffed though so hold onto it!

[austere estuary]

this just happened

[clear heath]

I'd probably go agri braced auto for gun psyker

[austere estuary]

joined a game like this

[fluid knot]

Dont get braced autos on Psyker

Only infantry

[clear heath]

oh fuck

well i guess agri inf auto then

[fluid knot]

I wish they did though for real 😂

[cyan notch]

happened to me too either alt f4 reconnect or jump off

[clear heath]

out of all the guns to not give us
why would the omit the one that would actually be decent for gun psyker memes?

we get all this trash to fill up our shops

[maiden wolf]

I really wish we got a unique gun of some kind

[clear heath]

force gun

[maiden wolf]

I keep bringing up a rechargeable lasgun

[clear heath]

plasma rifle?

[maiden wolf]

A gun with terrain penetration would be cool too

[austere estuary]

force dagger

gibe

[maiden wolf]

The laspistol already has a unique psyker abilty

[austere estuary]

wait it does?

[maiden wolf]

Ye, have ot track the cursor like the HL rocket launcherp

[maiden wolf]

force push

[austere estuary]

😮

shame it's so terrible otherwise

[maiden wolf]

that was my reaction too

[austere estuary]

convinced that laspistol was meant as a sidearm for melee

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, It would be cool if every gun had some psyker special

[ornate hamlet]

https://discord.gg/7JQwweKw

damnatiuon help

[cyan notch]

say please

[maiden wolf]

I thought this was an invitauon to ceteran chat as a joke for a second

*veteran

[austere estuary]

it's a command; we have no choice but to help

[maiden wolf]

There aren't many lore options for force guns. Grey knoghts have then but apparently they're super special and rare

Grey Knight Weaponry (List) - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grey_Knight_Weaponry_(List)

[austere estuary]

not for us plebs

[maiden wolf]

Yeah

Force weapon - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Force_weapon

[summer wind]

i wouldn't be shocked if new force weapons were made

[maiden wolf]

A singing spear would be rad

[summer wind]

aren't psykers more common in 40k since the uhhhh

the great tear

i feel like an ogryn rn

the big rift

the new one

the maladictum

and primaris have all new equipment so the whole "nothing new" thing is already out the window

making more common force guns / force weapons is pretty within reason

[maiden wolf]

Cicatrix

[summer wind]

that one

[fallow meadow]

I am fine that if they make up some force wep for the game, but I am sure there will be rage if that happen.

[summer wind]

there's rage for pretty much everything tbh

i'd rather we have a better game than be 100% accurate to lore

hell, it wouldn't be the first time for 40k

far from it

[cyan notch]

as someone who doesnt know anything about the lore sure bring on more weapons

[maiden wolf]

Force lasguns would be fine AFAIK

They recharge with heat, so it woul make sense

[fallow meadow]

I think bullet work better with force though. We already shooting energy bolt from hand (and staff).

I would like to have more force melee to play with.

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, force melee os the most lore friendly option. There are force spears, halberds, glaives, axes etc...

Eldar get a spear that returns to you with psykinesis

Imagine throwing that into a crowd and summoning it back

In fact, that could be a ranged weapon.

[primal plume]

Whats a good perk for trauma force staves

[maiden wolf]

They have a unique rending belssing, for perks, flak and carapace damage seem like safe bets

Weakspot damage is a bad idea

Crit chance moght be good, IIRC the trauma staff has pretty good crit chance?

[cyan notch]

no lol

[maiden wolf]

IRI (I recalled incorrectly)

[brittle crest]

is it me or does the psyker kind of just not feel that great? i'm still pretty new to the game, but i started with vet for shooty shooty and went to try psyker for the mage fantasy and even tho i just unlocked a staff i feel pretty weak 😬

does it get better at later levels? i'm mostly trying to pop specials/elites or whatever they're called but ngl the windup for brain blast is pretty slow lol

[lethal plover]

learn the way of the peril axe

#psyker-class message

you can search for my videos (as well as other people's videos) in this channel to see how we play. basically all 4 staves and even guns are viable on damnation

the force sword can also block bullets if you want

[maiden wolf]

Psyker is pretty build dependent, so while It can be great, getting to max level for traits is important.

[north cradle]

Kerillian has entered the chat

[brittle crest]

ahh ok, maybe that's it ha..

[brittle crest]

will do, thanks! it's probably cause i'm lower level and also pretty fragile

[lethal plover]

once you get peril block feat at level 20 you're the tankiest guy after ogryn

[brittle crest]

ok ok i'll just have to push through till then

[lethal plover]

I think we're just hibernating (or at least I am) until new content drops

sadge but there are other games with actual events to finish

[primal plume]

So what perk is best for trauma staff?

[primal plume]

Can confirm. I was able to tank a Daemonhost with that. I blocked so much damage in fact I got 2 of "The Emperor protects" penances in a matter of seconds

And nearly got the third

[lethal plover]

yes, daemonhost is easy
#psyker-class message

[primal plume]

What difficulty is that

[lethal plover]

I only play damn these days

[solar remnant]

With randos?

[lethal plover]

yes. it's easy enough now

only damnation endless requires coordinating builds

even then it's just "bring a lasgun pls"

[solar remnant]

Ah I see I've been a little hesitant in trying damn cause I don't play often and was wondering about the randos

Heresy is getting a bit easy

[lethal plover]

the real challenge is actually getting full 4-stack for damn

[cyan notch]

just try it theres no harm

[lethal plover]

there's no rhyme or reason to it. but if I don't get at least 2 people in 4 minutes I bail and reconnect

[solar remnant]

Damn ok good to know

[cyan notch]

depends on your region

tragic 380

[wanton cove]

Dang

Keep it for the fact of having a 380? Lolol

Like a shiny Pokémon 🤣

[earnest peak]

got this earlier, such a let down.

[cyan notch]

well its not horrible the charge rate range on void is pretty small

[earnest peak]

blessings and perks though

[cyan notch]

flak is good you can keep that one

blessings hopefully we can swap both out

[earnest peak]

was hoping for transfer peril or nexus

[manic needle]

One more shot at a good one COPIUM

Im trying to get a good Puragtus and blessings keep screwing me over so I know the feeling

[fluid knot]

Ya started as the most OP class, so everyone feels lesser to Vet

Not that the state of pugs would have you believe it ofc 😂

[chrome dune]

so when I'm at 100% peril ... me head go 🎊 ? Does that make me ded 💀 or just wound? 🤕

[still mountain]

What kinda psyker brings a force sword and a stub revolver

[cyan notch]

100% peril and you cast again = u go down

[still mountain]

You should know better than that at level 30

[chrome dune]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-18294082

[chrome dune]

big oof. Will avoid. Tho I guess the AOE 💥 can be useful in some circumstances?

[cyan notch]

very rarely but sure

theres a penance for blowing 3 elites up with you though

[summer wind]

it used to be better

it used to be a viable tactic if you were about to wipe actually

i think it could even kill bulwarks from the front reliably, but that might be wrong

[mint musk]

is this upgrade worth it?

[manic needle]

You mean the purple? Sure, you get another shot at Warp Nexus

[mint musk]

no, the purple is the one i have, the transcendent is the upgrade

i feel like the base stats of the my purple are better tho, but the blessings on the transcendent one are good

[manic needle]

I feel like it's a sidegrade really, downgrade if you get lucky on consecrating yours

[mint musk]

i see

[reef jewel]

is there a way to do more brain busts before 100% ?

[old parcel]

There is a trick with Brain burst, you can use it when your at 97% peril and not explode, so you can lower it to 97 and keep using it.

[reef jewel]

so go to the lim and drop to 97 okay thx

[old parcel]

yea

[chrome dune]

psycher much tougher than other classes. Need fire staff bad.

[proven hazel]

only to 97 or can you go below that

like will 96 cause my head to explode?

[manic needle]

no

[proven hazel]

ok good

[manic needle]

97 is a breakpoint

[old parcel]

You can go below that, 98 will down you

[proven hazel]

important i asked just in case

[chrome dune]

i like this game

[thorny idol]

😮

please have good rolls

[worthy wedge]

It's a gift from the emperor. It's obviously perfect

[worthy wedge]

Holy hell that finesse

[thorny idol]

I'm fine with low finesse

[stuck bridge]

lol

[thorny idol]

if it came with Deflector instead of Superiority I'd call it perfect

[worthy wedge]

Blessing crafting eventually, so you know

[thorny idol]

yea I'm def holding onto it

[fast swan]

idea trauma staff blessing and cump stats?

[drowsy fog]

coming back from dwarf fortress I keep trying to exit menus with right click, help

[summer wind]

🤨 is that someone from maine in the wild?

[worthy wedge]

Rebind right click to escape.

[balmy patrol]

i'm an axe psyker now

[thorny idol]

https://tenor.com/view/maine-flag-gif-12932748

[summer wind]

🫡

[thorny idol]

🦞

[fast swan]

idea trauma staff blessing and dump stats?

[thorny idol]

I'd answer but I don't really know

[summer wind]

i guess uh

damage and quell speed

i think there's one for rending in there for blessings or something

[thorny idol]

Warp resistance feels like a dump, no matter what you only get two full bursts off, but high warp resistance leaves you under 100%

[summer wind]

you can cast on 99% sometimes

depending on what you're casting

seems more about time gaining peril than peril gained at 99%

[thorny idol]

if you're using anything but brain burst, as long as you trigger at under 100% you won't die

brainburst has no trigger up jump in peril

and as long as you start it at 94% or less iirc you'll be fine firing that odd

off

[static mantle]

My quest finally ends

[fast swan]

clips through nose lol

[static mantle]

Yeah, lol. I'm gonna see if I can fix it at the barber

[crisp storm]

how do you play the pushatk style on combat axe V? I rolled into limbsplitter (unfortunate) and that's apparently the main playstyle

[still mountain]

Find a new weapon

[crisp storm]

well, waiting on the shop to give me one...

[fast swan]

yo is ascendant blaze at 4 warp charges enough to kill all kinds of fodder?

running the void staff and want kinetic flayer giving me more warp charges instead f having a cap of 6

[summer wind]

why does it even render your face below the goggles

this is a like, recourring issue

why does the game constantly render your shirtless body

[manic needle]

Does anyone have a video of all of the Psyker stances + animations in 3rd person?

[frozen rivet]

Does anybody else feel like some of the psyker staves are balanced wrong? Like it feels like how it was in VT except it sorta doesn’t work here because in VT ammo was way more limited and used more for moments where you needed to pick out high value targets and so sienna staves didn’t feel bad for being weaker because they had “unlimited” ammo but here a vet could use their gun just as much as a psyker and not really run out of ammo so like the trade off doesn’t work?

[compact cargo]

More an issue with psyker feats, in vt most siennas had a direct damage increase, often several, letting as an example the beam staff melt bosses with DoT

Veteran is good because his feats actually increase his damage significantly

Our biggest increase is 15% at high peril and 18% at 6 warp charged

[frozen rivet]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense now that I think about the feats. The buffs don’t really feel like they make much of an impact

[compact cargo]

Veteran gets 50% more weakpoint damage, 5% more crit for no reason, then can add up 20% more damage past 15m and much bigger crit chance on deadeye

[manic needle]

Mind In Motion is the biggest meme feat

[compact cargo]

But hey atleast we get peril block

Caxe psykers unite

[manic needle]

You either have a staff quell thats almost as fast or you can passive quell and not ever have to worry about it

[compact cargo]

Forgor range go melee

[olive ember]

Kinetic shield begs to differ

[manic needle]

Yeah that one is bad too but at least it does something minor lol

MIM is completely redundant

Shield is just undertuned

And maybe too specific, being tied just to toughness

Either way theyre both in the same tier as Deflection so they may as well not exist as far as I'm concerned

Speaking of bad feats has anyone found a good use for Wrack and Ruin?

[compact cargo]

no

[magic burrow]

Melk's selling this

https://puu.sh/Jw3RJ/a402f48458.png

Im not an axe person, but seems pretty decent

[manic needle]

Tac Axe only real advantage is decent mobility

The main issue is the lack of cleave

Mk. 5 Combat Axe is your go-to for axe psyker builds

[runic gate]

Mk 5 ftfmw for attack set and stagger

[summer prairie]

tac axe mk2 has good cleaving heavies

[manic needle]

If that's available on Psyker then I have literally never seen it at any rarity

Gameslantern says Zealot/Vet but that site isn't a perfect archive

[summer prairie]

I've a bunch of them

[manic needle]

Every one I've ever seen is Mk. 7, let me check my inventory to see if I picked any up and didn't notice

If Ive literally never encountered it in all of my playtime then that's actually insane

Nope, not a single one for me, although I did forget that Mk. 4 existed on Psykers, too

[summer prairie]

decimator pretty good with it too since you will be chaining heavies for horde

[manic needle]

Playing with it on Zealot, it's definitely not bad, I like that it's an unbroken chain of cleaving attacks

Still less cleave than Mk. 5 Combat but it'd make a good substitute until you found a good one

[summer prairie]

it's more target 1-3 damage

[manic needle]

If I ever frigging see one on my Psyker I'll play with it a bit to see how it stacks up on that class

As far as Mk. 5, I really like the cleaving lights and the peerless cleaving counterattack, plus the overhead heavies for elites

[mighty pike]

You can get mark 2 combat axes but somehow they are the rarest weapon type for me

[manic needle]

I was wondering if they were like Vet shovels

IE. you practically never see them past a certain level

[summer prairie]

I've 368, 374 and 376 base rating ones so certainly got them after 30

[mighty pike]

Not sure I have managed to find a single weapon over 330

[manic needle]

Clearly the game has just decided Im better off without them for some reason lol

[mighty pike]

Sometimes our choices are made for us

[manic needle]

On the subject of the Mk. 5, another big advantage is how simultaneously aggressive and defensive it is. Because you're consistently working counterattacks into your chains, using it vs. hordes is very safe. I mostly just have to keep an eye/ear out for flankers.

[mighty pike]

That is my criticism of the combat axes. They're slightly too slow and that makes them require better timing and more risk

[manic needle]

Assuming youdont dodge dance and are therefore regenerating stamina, the perfect attack chain on Mk. 5 is 1 light -> block -> push counterattack

Its spammable that way but obviously doding will fuck up your regen

[idle bay]

I just finished couple of tricky Penances 🙂

500 missions was trickiest one

[manic needle]

Congrats

[idle bay]

And Flawless Execution is a joke on Orgyn

You need to deliberately play bad to get down

Yes i'm in Ogryn therapy after farming like damned on Psyker to get nice stash of crafting mats

[mighty pike]

Ogryn therapy is getting to play in the ballpit unsupervised

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-shootas-blood-and-teef-guardsmen-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-gif-25038084

[magic burrow]

bonk

[half fog]

sup guys! where i can find some help for "going out with a bang" achive?

[whole wharf]

Lowkey, I wish there was an option to disable the collars on some Psyker headpieces. The clipping with hair on some of them are so bad....

[drowsy fog]

did they make the game easier? swear its a lot less intense than I remember

[cyan notch]

your just crack

[drowsy fog]

I'm a drug? neat

[cyan notch]

no your just crack

[rapid cliff]

Warhammer Scribblenauts

[mighty pike]

Try the looking-for-game channels

[ornate hamlet]

any advice for psyker, i rly suck what that class

[lilac raft]

im so happy not getting any force sword in my shop 🙂 (no and this game is shit)

[ornate hamlet]

game is good but classes are not well balance, zealot can easily slash trough everything with little to no set up, while psyker need a lot set up to make it work

[honest olive]

@drowsy fog can we play sometime?

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/waaagh-music-shootas-blood-and-teef-orks-orkz-green-music-gif-26367410

[drowsy fog]

why not

[honest olive]

great, need more trans friends ^^ (trans aswell btw)

[drowsy fog]

oh neat

[mental vortex]

omw to play 30k fartdite with a screen keyboard

[inland sand]

how much of a dealbreaker is the 52% explosion radius

why u fuck me so hard useless Quellspeed

So almost good

[magic burrow]

that seems pretty decent

[mighty pike]

Blast radius is the dump stat so this is very good

[inland sand]

oh REALLY?

[drowsy fog]

blast radius is just for where it lands, the rail gun still cuts through a crowd the same

[inland sand]

well, that is good news

I had no idea

[mighty pike]

Minimum is 2m, maximum is 4m. It's less of an explosive shell and more like a big cannonball

[inland sand]

well, the more you know

ty guys!

what blessings am I praying for?

[drowsy fog]

transfer peril is good, surge is good... and another I dont remember

[inland sand]

lol i go Terrifying Barrage and Blazing Spirit

wrong staff game

what do I want for the second perk?

[fluid knot]

Psyker is lackluster till 30 tbh

If you dont vibe with the staves, you can just as easily use a gun an still be effective though you become a specialist killer as opposed to a CC character

[mighty pike]

An unfortunately then you just end up doing other classes' jobs but worse

[fluid knot]

Or better, depending on how you apply it

[mighty pike]

Guns have insane killing power when you've been using a staff for a long time

[fluid knot]

Not to mention that most vets are fucking dogwater so taking their job isnt much of an issue

[orchid venture]

like, as long as you shoot better than a vet, you do the job better than a vet, that's about what it boils down to

[mighty pike]

But then you're just doing someone else's job and can't do what you're meant to do as a class. Sometimes it's necessary but its hardly preferable

[fluid knot]

Really at this stage in the game if you like a certain style of play it works fine, dont let people tell you "oh you'll do badly with X build" because most of the time, they're talking fluff

[magic burrow]

they should make the voidstrike staff on par with the plasma gun at the very least.

[fluid knot]

I fully agree that staves need buffs across the board

[mighty pike]

It's true but: at least while I use a gun on psyker I feel like a non-class

[fluid knot]

If you need something killing quickly, none of them really cut the mustard, though their CC potential is significantly better than a gun

[mighty pike]

I guess they thought brainburst would be the gap filler there?

[fluid knot]

Its not for everyone for sure, its a pretty strange way to play it, but it can be played in a way that is significantly better than people make it out to be

[orchid venture]

i guess they're at their current strength because you have the benefit of infinite ammo, but if you're on the team with a staff, that's immediately more ammo for everyone else on the team, meaning they get infinite ammo too

[mighty pike]

The more I play the more I feel like we are the dedicated support class if you build it right

[orchid venture]

(unless they're using autopistol)

[fluid knot]

Yeah, use gun to kill nasty specials in close fire support, and use ult to proc kinetic barrage, blow off a few noggins and then back to the gun or melee, by killing specials/elites you get a cooldown buff, so you can stay on a perma cycle between gun, melee and BB, once you get it down its smooth as fuck an feels really good

T2 perks are a pick your poison though, none of them really synergise with gunpsyker

[cyan notch]

i dont think surge needs a buff

[magic burrow]

ideally they would just get rid of the guns on psyker altogether and add a staff or two more to the psyker's armory. A staff with a secondary charge that basically acts like deflector, and a staff with a secondary charge that shoots many projectiles contineously

[fluid knot]

Could do with a damage increase for more than initial target imo, because usually you just endup locking dudes in place an they get killed by other classes :/

[orchid venture]

I mean, new psyker sounds like they're getting some kind of shield, from the datamines

protectorate shield thingy

[mighty pike]

a WARP shield, I hope

[fluid knot]

If there was more variety in the staves i would agree, for example giving the class a proper single target option that would be a huge plus

[cyan notch]

i mean does it matter they get killed by other classes like who cares as long as the enemies die

[fluid knot]

Void can but its not fantastic when compared to a rifle

[orchid venture]

my guess is something like a bubble around them that allies can shoot through, and enemies cant

[fluid knot]

Yeah for sure, but should you find yourself alone at any point that extra killing potential would go a long way to increase survivability

Honestly thats half the problem with psyker imo, if you're alone you're heavily gimped if you dont have a gun, you really need your team around you else you're gonna get gangfucked by ragers or maulers etc

[mighty pike]

If anyone's still trying for any penances I'm around today to help out

[cyan notch]

anything benefits from extra killing potential but i dont think surge needs it

[cyan notch]

nope i dont feel that way at all

[summer prairie]

with surge you probably have the best solo potential

[orchid venture]

"Telekine Dome: The Psyker erects a barrier of shimmering mental energy around himself that can deflect bullets and blows" is what I think it'd be

[summer prairie]

certainly not worried about ragers/maulers

[fluid knot]

Was my whole reason for using a gun lol, i dont wanna be needing an ogryn or a zealot near me to deal with the nasties, i'd rather do it myself 😂

An if nothing else, a gun is hella reliable

[cyan notch]

all your staffs can deal with ragers and maulers lol

[fluid knot]

Can, but less effectively

There are basically no instances where staves out DPS a gun

[summer prairie]

it's not about the dps though

[mighty pike]

Yea h as good and useful as staffs are I picked up a gun yesterday and realised it takes about four shots to kill any given elite

[summer prairie]

especially when you are solo

[fluid knot]

Can deal with hordes with melee on any character, i'd rather be able to drop stuff dangerous as quickly as possible rather than fuck about with meagre AoEs, but each to their own 🙂

[summer prairie]

With surge you don't care if you've 5 maulers, 5 ragers on you, they can't do anything

as a veteran you probably struggle

[fluid knot]

Idk, refuse to play a class that has all the bells and whistles and literal wallhacks lol

[mighty pike]

surge feels like whacking them with a wet noodle though. They can't come for me until my peril reaches max, but i arent killing them

[summer prairie]

surge full charge does 800ish to maulers, decent enough

and max peril doesn't matter, you can quell to keep them stunned

[fluid knot]

Then you're fully charging an attack in situations that might not give you time to actually do it

[mighty pike]

and then i get to use a full charge twice and then i really AM out of peril

[fluid knot]

Swhy "Knife through butter" on Ogryn is shiet, takes too long to wind up a full heavy for it to proc

[summer prairie]

min charge is slightly less efficient dps but they still die

peril does not matter at all for any staff except trauma

[fluid knot]

Eventually sure, but again, personally i prefer the shortest TTK per enemy possible over waiting for status' to build up

Running trend, but its totally personal, use what you find fun because more often than not by using something you enjoy, you'll be just as effective as you would be with the so called "meta" setup you dont enjoy using, regardless of numbers

[mighty pike]

Just tested in Malice psykanium and it takes 2 fully charged surges to kill one mauler, and ghags 65% peril. This is with an even 348 surge staff

[orchid venture]

THAT
was not the kind of situation you want to spawn in to
literally like, 50 ranged guy, 2 reapers, countless other guys

I died instantly, there was nowhere to hide at all, a surge staff could do nothing

[drowsy fog]

surge isnt dps its stun bot

[summer prairie]

If it's just one mauler, surge lmb quell cancel is good dps and staggers them

[fluid knot]

Ahh you join an in progress match where you replaced a bot what put itself in a stupid place?

[orchid venture]

no EVERYONE was in a stupid place

[fluid knot]

😂 Yeah that happens lmfao

[orchid venture]

all of us died in 5 seconds

[fluid knot]

Oof

[steel egret]

easy 20 ordo

[drowsy fog]

I joined a heresy where they already grabbed 2 grims and very quickly died

[steel egret]

[drowsy fog]

grims never worth, reroll the contract every time

[fluid knot]

Grim resist' will be so valuable on psykers if you get stuck with one of them contracts

[mighty pike]

Lol with an Agripiina autogun my DPS is five times a surge staff

[fluid knot]

Can only change em three times before they get locked so RNG can super fuck you there

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats my go to, its pretty cracked

[steel egret]

Did they ever fix grim resistance? it used to give you only benefit from highest one you had.

[fluid knot]

Accurate an high damage

[drowsy fog]

I always reroll grims and secondary on specific map

last I heard corruption resist doesnt work at all

[fluid knot]

Secondaries on specific maps are WAY worse than Grims... So much RNG to the map even being on the roster in the limited time a player gets

[steel egret]

corruption resistance does work

[cyan notch]

just grab em and throw em away ez

[steel egret]

grim resistance not so sure

[fluid knot]

Not yet, i dont think

[fluid knot]

Yeah this also works

[mighty pike]

Feels like the only good autogun until the headhunters become relevant

[drowsy fog]

see someone running for a grim grab it first and read it to spite them lol

[steel egret]

"why did you throw grim away!" - 8 level veteran

[drowsy fog]

grims bad

[steel egret]

Book loud

[fluid knot]

Yeah it do be like that.. Though check this out.. got it yesterday. I await the buff eagerly

[steel egret]

Might have to wait a while since they did buff these already

[fluid knot]

Yeah they did, and they're still fucking worthless 😂

[steel egret]

Yes