psyker-class

[tender terrace]

I wish all specials were more like a peril resource bar that you hold the special and swing

would be way more engaging

[teal kite]

Anyone have tips for flame staff? It's def not forgiving if you make mistakes as you're so close to the enemy

[long wharf]

ABF

[mighty pike]

I don't

[long wharf]

Always Be Flamin'

[teal kite]

This moron psyker the other day was using his force sword on hordes lmao

[long wharf]

that's ... unfortunate

[teal kite]

When I have electric staff I'm blasting the entire match

Nonstop

[long wharf]

I've seen a number of psykers attack a horde with their force sword, forgetting that they have a purge staff

[mighty pike]

if you really need to in an emergency, either a quick puff into a charged secondary, or use your push ability to buy time for a charged one

[teal kite]

Because camos change the actual model of the weapon and not just the color

[tender terrace]

yo why you gotta call me out like this

[north cradle]

Same

[long wharf]

FartShart can't even figure out how to reuse a model for skins?

[north cradle]

But also I'm hoping the Force Zweihander in the beta files makes it into the full game

[teal kite]

Yeah the "skin" is an entirely different weapon model

Not just a recolor

[teal kite]

The flame staff shines best on hordes and dude is hacking away with the weak ass force weapon

[tender terrace]

i only play with balls so

[teal kite]

Nemesis Force Weapon when

Just one hit all enemies

Nemesis force weapon would kill a weak demonhost in one hit

[tender terrace]

armoury is annoying, get very few staves on pskyer

[violet yoke]

It's telling you to play gun psyker...

[lament topaz]

Best Psyker is the German one.

Literally just Richtofen from CoD Zombies.

[ornate hamlet]

But does it affect gameplay?

[mighty pike]

I'd assume not but you'd never know

[jagged vessel]

Pick and mix x_x

[frail sand]

doggo space program

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-baymax-hiro-comfort-gif-14477192

[jagged vessel]

Just 1 to get this xD

[near siren]

anyone find it ridiculous how psykers are weak on difficulties above malice?

2 brain bursts for a special, 4 for a mutant an elites and 5 for crusher/reaper

[violet yoke]

Skill issue

[near siren]

brain bursts also take 2 seconds and once you're hit its cancelled

its just makes no sense going psyker when you can take veteran with a bolter like 70% of other players so you can horde clear and kill elite/specials much faster

[violet yoke]

It's a skill issue

I have no problem on t5s

With a psyker

[near siren]

its a brain issue

[violet yoke]

Hard carrying

I carry all the time in pubs every dies and clear it all and move forward

[echo parrot]

Imagine saying you are weak just because BB requires more hits. What is Purg, what is Surge, what is etc.

[violet yoke]

Each class has a very unique play style. Vet is the easiest to play for most beacuse it relates to 99% of all other fps games u have played in the past

[echo parrot]

I run Heresy + Damnation all the time and dont have issues.

[silk flax]

Psykers on Heresy or Damnation will have different focuses. You focus on the one-shot BB such as, Gunners, Shotgunners, Snipers, Bombers. If you have the 6 Warp Charge Feat and have the max stacks you can 2 BB dogs and some other stuff.

[violet yoke]

Honestly get gud with something other than a gun and ull be fine

[near siren]

what i'm saying is that BB is shit and doesnt scale at all, while i'm surging to pop a 3rd BB on a mutant (lmao) its already dead because a vet shot it with a bolter

[summer prairie]

why are you trying to BB things that take many BBs

why should it be good against everything

[silk flax]

You can always run with a Force sword too and 2 shots most of the stuff

[summer prairie]

it's just a grenade

[violet yoke]

Vets grenades don't scale are u crying about thoes in the vet channel as well

[near siren]

then i could just go zealot

[valid frigate]

But then no blue glowing eyes

[echo parrot]

1:) Any vet who uses a bolter to clear a horde is very suspect
2:) You cant expect BB to be a magic win button. Surge against a mutie is great for example because it can stun them out of charge.

[near siren]

because what else do we have? a dollar store version of the flamer which deals 40% less damage if you roll a high dmg one?

[echo parrot]

Just because you want to rely on BB for everything doesnt mean psyker bad

[silk flax]

What staff are you using

[jagged vessel]

Don't play with BB

[summer prairie]

well flamer is bugged with zealot ult

[near siren]

purgatus ofc

[violet yoke]

Man u just sound butt hurt than ur play style on ez mode isn't converting to big kids mode

[summer prairie]

and a zealot with flamer is less flexible than a psyker with purgatus since you still have BB for some ranged targets

[manic needle]

Some people are really mad about not one-shotting Flamers and Hounds anymore on Heresy

And Im just over here chaining gunners and bombers

[near siren]

i'm saying the class does somewhat what its suppose to do on malice but if you've ever played on heresy or damnation you would know what i'm talking about

[near siren]

BB and purgatus is just purging 50% of the time

[summer prairie]

and?

[desert lance]

I join the bandwagon that I wish BB would either scale or have a Stat boostable with gear.

[summer prairie]

flamer is a bit better dps but against a horde it doesn't matter and the reason flamer melts some armored targets is due to the bugged ult

[clear heath]

it is boostable with gear

blessings can buff BB

[desert lance]

What stat?

[near siren]

5% buff? lol

[clear heath]

damage and power from blessings

[jagged vessel]

Just let vet kill elites and fon't focus BB .. xD

[violet yoke]

Again skill issue... what u think the classes is supposed to do is not how is played on the big kids level

[clear heath]

https://streamable.com/9xgw9l

[silk flax]

Ok, purg is still great for hordes and mixed elites. BB on higher difficulties are mainly used for the small trash shooters who hide behind cover - as well as those I mentioned before that are 1 shots. (Gunners, Snipers, and Bombers). It's not a Kill-All-Elite Button. Otherwise, I think it would be way too boring or ez for a Psyker

[desert lance]

I'm personally having a good time with stamina/block deflector tanking

[silk flax]

Different roles have better strengths as others

[near siren]

i'm not playing until they rebalance the classes, right now everyone goes easy mode and plays veteran with a power sword. the point of the game is to be a team and for each class to have specific skills but all you need now its just a team of veterans. its boring

[echo parrot]

I only play on Heresy + Damnation and have no idea what you are talking about

Again stop relying on BB for everything

[empty basin]

For those saying that psyker is okay on damnation, what role do you want psyker to fit

[near siren]

look at my previous comments, BB becomes obsolete

[violet thorn]

BB adjusted to "time to successfully kill" instead of "set amount of dmg per burst" would make BB better overall

[tender terrace]

i feel like i have learned already that anyone who mentions "BB is shit" seems to immediately discredit themselves

[echo parrot]

Tier 30 feat 3

[violet yoke]

Only play t5s in pubs and have no issues with psyker

U just sound butt hurt buddy

[violet thorn]

Having a core mechanic for a character discarded in higher levels is beyond moronic

[violet yoke]

Ull get better

[near siren]

BB should just have a pre-set of how much damage its suppose to do (same percentages for each difficulty), lets say 2 for reaper, 1 for elite etc.

[empty basin]

Imagine all the people enjoying psyker leaving and this channel falling to elitist assholes lol

[desert lance]

I'm a thousand sons player so I'd be down for more power alternatives. Maybe an alt fire for BB that targets the nearest elite

[manic needle]

If you're not BBing most human-sized enemies on Heresy+ then you should start. Im tired of getting paired with Psykers who just ignore bombers and gunners to spam surge on poxwalkers or something

[empty basin]

Just because you're class is shit, doesn't mean you're a better player for it. dealt with those kind of players a fuck ton in for honor

[tender terrace]

i just played a game where 2 bulwarks and a crusher were in a somewhat dangerous situation, hit f, proceed to delete all 3 in succession because my team is also putting some damage into them - that's insane value

[near siren]

yeah the vets just did their thing

[violet thorn]

why would I waste time BBing walkers or shooters instead of riping hordes?

[near siren]

agreed

[tender terrace]

yeah the vets did their thing shooting into two massive shields and a carapace armored unit with auto guns

[manic needle]

...With a Surge staff?

Youre not serious.

[near siren]

you said they were also putting some damage into it

[tender terrace]

not to mention instantly deleting gunners and snipers is insane value

"bb is shit" tho

especially when the gunners are hiding behind boxes and shooting behind like a 4 pixel hitbox

[empty basin]

You mean the thing that vet can delete in a fraction of the time? Yes, bb shit

[near siren]

bb is shit, purgatus is shit, the alt damage is shit. what are we suppose to use?

[violet thorn]

Purgatus, dont kvetch about Surge vs Purge on Dam. The discussion is beyond overdone and the math has been already set out.

[echo parrot]

Bingo bango

[desert lance]

Precharging on the audo cue to eliminate a threat the moment it turns the corner then back to flaming or slicing.

[echo parrot]

Honestly if this guy has so much issue on psyker, maybe they shouldnt play psyker.

[tender terrace]

yeah the vet can delete a gunner in a fraction of the time when its sitting behind a massive horde or behind a ton of boxes, sure thing bud

[echo parrot]

So many of us do not have the issues they are complaining about

[empty basin]

I do consistently, must be a skill issue then right?

[violet yoke]

U sounds so butt hurt it's pretty funny! "Nothing works I keep dyeing ill come complain in psyker discord...."

[near siren]

shouldn't pat the devs on the back for releasing an unfinished class

[echo parrot]

Ok, anyways

[manic needle]

If you're using a Purgatus staff at least you have some excuse since you don't have Kinetic Barrage

[echo parrot]

Get good

[tender terrace]

no matter what anyone says or responds to you with, you're gonna come up with some edgelord response about how you figured it out better, it's literally pointless talking to you, a brick wall

[near siren]

no, i do well in pubs i just played other classes so i have a good comparison

[manic needle]

There are still situations where using BB is still good though.

[empty basin]

I literally replied with the same replies ya'll are giving them

[manic needle]

Such as vs. Snipers, Bombers, and large groups of gunners

[near siren]

dick riding is crazy, go give them more money in the cosmetic shop

[empty basin]

But, sure, I guess I'm the brick wall? fucking dumbass lol

[desert lance]

Make a friend and play with them. Game experience is way different with voice and tactics.

[violet thorn]

tbh I just play clear and BB the giga-ranged shit the vet cant reach

[tender terrace]

gonna write a book for pskyer

Dr. Widget or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Staff

[violet thorn]

you dont need to to do more tbh

[echo parrot]

Cant, already bought everything. Gotta wait for another store cycle.

[silk flax]

If you ever played heresy or damnation there is a point in the match where your squad will be pinned down due to a lot of shooters. BB shines there a lot because it can kill enough of them without taking a lot of damage

[empty basin]

3 of them

In what, 10 seconds?

[violet yoke]

I level 30 all classes played t5 on all classes 300+ hrs. I like psyker/zelot he has the most versatility it feels to me.

[violet thorn]

yea, but im not sitting trying to BB the swarm of shooters

[jagged vessel]

Specialy when your vet cannot kill an hiding or distaaant ennemie
(But the penance with BB are horrible)

[violet thorn]

if they vet isnt killing shooters hes an ape

[near siren]

yeah and good luck praying that the BB sticks to the shooter/sniper and not a trash in a mob running towards you

[tender terrace]

i see this a lot, people who dont understand game mechanics and solely rely on LOL DPS to explain everything as a solution to the game, cringe

[clear heath]

Sometimes there isn't a vet

[echo parrot]

This man understands.

[violet thorn]

espically since hes runnin counter 75% redox

[manic needle]

Hey thanks for the pointless ping my guy.

[silk flax]

Yeah but the Vet can get suppressed when the shooters are shooting at them. If you ever played vet and get shot at your ADS becomes really shaky so it's harder to shoot on target

[manic needle]

Have one back

[jagged vessel]

@manic needle

[silk flax]

On top of that there is plenty of times where the shooters are from afar and with that suppression the vet will have a hard time

[empty basin]

"Game mechanics" Yeah sure thing, I can just hop on vet and kill that whole horde of shooters before you get that third one off

[tender terrace]

post mission table

• penances and frame

[violet thorn]

thats a matter of Vet awareness, distance, using shit like Ghost, and positioning

[empty basin]

"Oh boys, I no life this game, gotta flex on someone to show how large my e-peen is" fucking got me weak

[echo parrot]

The Psyker Chat Roulette

(1) Purg vs Void
(2) FS deflector is best
(3) Actually Trauma is good
(4) BB sucks

Looks like we pulled a (4)

[violet thorn]

The Vet should know how to not get essentially ads stunlocked

[tender terrace]

is it always like this?

checkers players vs chess arguing about chess?

[echo parrot]

Yes

[near siren]

imagine defending the class by saying its viable because you can land 2 brainbursts to kill a sniper behind a mob of enemies

[manic needle]

2...?

[tender terrace]

BUT DPS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION WHY ISNT IT MORE DAMAGE FASTER

[echo parrot]

Uh.. it doesnt take 2 fam, not even on Damnation.

[violet thorn]

we do a little trolling

[manic needle]

You just listen to people complaining on the internet and dont actually play on high difficulties.

[silk flax]

So then at that point your relying on your vet to get the job done? What if he is a scrub and dies? That's when you have to come in as a psyker and finish the job of what he fails to do. I HARDLY EVER rely on anyone. I always try to be aware my own positioning or play as if I was in a clutch scenario

[near siren]

yeah 2 for special, 4 for elites and 4 for mutants, 5 for ogryn enemies

[violet yoke]

Guys since BB can't kill everything I quit...

[near siren]

its ridiculous

[tender terrace]

bro you dont even play the class, that much is obvious, even ogryns are only 3

[echo parrot]

Tell me you actually dont play on these difficulties without telling me.

[near siren]

plus the fucking 2 second recharge rate i cant

[fossil lagoon]

The malice master reveals himself

[echo parrot]

Way to call yourself out man

Like seriously

[manic needle]

Maybe he's just an Ogryn and can't count

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/romanoffslvr-romanofflvr-gif-25692536

[echo parrot]

Man got the whole squad acting up

Amazing L

[empty basin]

All 4

[near siren]

i stand by what i said

BB is shit

[empty basin]

Take me back to a few days ago when psyker chat was cool

[echo parrot]

If you stand by what you said then you admit that you dont know how much it takes to kill each kind of enemy.

[near siren]

i do, i did the math

[echo parrot]

I didnt need to do the math, I played damnation and killed snipers.

Only takes 1

Like seriously

[manic needle]

1 = 2, good math

[violet thorn]

I mean if your team is dead weight and you want to hard carry on psyker that's your prerogative. Im just saying I dont consider it fun to play wack-a-shooter behind cover for like 5 minutes because your vet has the IQ of a Ferret. Could you use BB to kill all the shooters? Yes. Its it going to be retardedly drawn out? Also yes.

[near siren]

yeah because a vet was shooting him too

doesnt count buddy

[echo parrot]

No vet

If the vet was shooting at them they would have been dead before I could even get a BB off

Every single one

[stray pond]

Completely unrelated question to the current... Discussion(?). Does the Surge Force staff's critical bonus actually work? It says it's melee

[echo parrot]

Only took 1

Maybe actually play the difficulty instead of trying to do bad math

That way you dont look like a clown

[fossil lagoon]

Xanakin u were caught slipping + now trying hard to not appear owned

[near siren]

play psyker to remove snipers which you can barely target

[mystic robin]

This chat needs a mod so badly i came in here to ask a question but you guys are jerking each other off over a point and click skill

[manic needle]

All you have to do is go into the meat grinder on Damnation and test it out to know how wrong he is, and he couldnt even do that

[jagged vessel]

Ooooh yeah

[violet thorn]

most mods are arguably worse then the chat

lets not forget the elf fiasco

[echo parrot]

If you have issues targeting something with a ability that just requires you to be looking at it when you start left click, then thats a skill issue fam

[copper raft]

🍿

[manic needle]

So, what's your question?

[echo parrot]

At least vets have to stay on target and track

[empty basin]

hitscan

[echo parrot]

You arent recovering from this m8

[violet yoke]

What was ur question I'd much rather help people that listen to people cry about being bad

[near siren]

i mean if its hiding behind a horde of enemies its not exactly easy lol

[echo parrot]

Hence why I said track

[silk flax]

It's only my opinion and history of playing in pubs. It's worked for me and I believe Psykers are great assets. If they get a buff - that's cool, but imo they are fine as they are. In no way am I trying to say the cliche line of "Git Gud". I am only expressing of what has worked for me time and time again.

[echo parrot]

In that instance everybody has issues targeting them lol. You are reaching so damn hard right now.

I just cant with this clown

Stay in malice friend

[near siren]

but that's your entire point, psykers just target snipers

[echo parrot]

Where you have admitted to staying

[echo parrot]

Never said it was my entire point, that was a singular instance of utility being utilized.

[near siren]

utilise your brain next time bro

[echo parrot]

Btw it only takes 1 BB btw

[near siren]

on heresy?

[echo parrot]

on damnation

[violet thorn]

I agree that psyker is fine at all levels, but my general feeling about BB is that it was only half thought out when it comes to gameplay on higher difficulties. A lot of shit kinda gets sweeped to "its the vets problem" which unf. is simply true considering how much damage Vet can vomit out compared to other classes.

[jagged vessel]

1 or 2, a vet need only 1 bullet to kill this sniper

T5

[near siren]

plus vet got that elite highlight bs

find a sniper straight away no need to spin around 6 times

[indigo creek]

Fashion is the true endgame

[echo parrot]

Then go play vet or stick to malice on your psyker

[empty basin]

https://i.imgur.com/e8rjLes.jpeg

[manic needle]

He doesn't know.

[jagged vessel]

No, just don't play with BB except for non visible ennemie

[empty basin]

Gotta keep the clown pants

[jagged vessel]

Miss just Pick and miss, 4/5, never have RNG with me

mix *

[worthy wedge]

I like that shirt

[echo parrot]

The one that held me up for so long was Out with a Bang

[indigo creek]

Doesn't look like a psyker

[echo parrot]

When I finally got it I unlocked both helmets at once lol

[indigo creek]

This on the other hand is sick

[manic needle]

Do it on Damnation and make sure your group knows you're going for it. Should find groups of gunners large enough to do the penance and then some.

[indigo creek]

You need to dress edgy to play psyker

[empty basin]

I refuse, I want my funny man mask from the next store rotation

[manic needle]

I like that one and the new set helm with the gas mask

[manic needle]

mfw the warp dust kicks in

[near siren]

that's the only reason i made one

[worthy wedge]

I refuse to accept those ear-things as anything other than head-mounted side-facing guns.

[indigo creek]

I want the veteran gas mask from the game cover

[empty basin]

Really want this one too

[jagged vessel]

I know, yep' but honestly people don't care about our penance xD (And never have large group of gunners .. Always 2/3)
I'm waiting an Ogrynn friend

[echo parrot]

Everyone does. People also want their VR visor which is in game shown during class selection.

[silk flax]

Vet has it's share of weakness though. Sure I agree that Vet has the most dmg output, but he has the worse mobility compared to all the other classes. Even if the Vet has the Power Sword he is sacrificing all his mobility in order to do damage. I've been in situations when I was playing the vet and the team dies and I had to clutch it, but in the end I died because I couldn't make it to my team in time. This was on Damnation High Intensity. If I was any other class I probably could have made it in time.

[near siren]

PS is bs though

[manic needle]

Look on the bright side: At least youre not going for the Super Heavyweight Champion penance lol.

[near siren]

like come on, you're suppose to be a ranged class

[empty basin]

I just want the staff alt attack (the melee one) to be a BB without having to swap

[violet thorn]

How did you get that separated from your team in Dam.?

[echo parrot]

I would welcome this

Nobody uses staff melee

[silk flax]

It happens often if you're playing in a pub and especially if it's Damnation High Intensity

[echo parrot]

All it takes is one mutant in the middle of a horde

[empty basin]

If they wanted to go spicy, they could make staff have mutliple 'spells' the normal right click and then the alt fire

[silk flax]

You have a boss spawn and the horde coming as well. On top of that specials with mutants, dogs, or trappers with the hordes.

[violet thorn]

I suppose but do you really think another classes mobility would of made the difference enough to make for the damage defecit?

[fluid sun]

Man I wish Blazing Spirit wasn't a unicorn blessing for force swords -___-

[empty basin]

cirt>blaze stack right?

[silk flax]

Yes. If I was the pysker or zealot in that scenario I would have made it

[near siren]

I wish I could edit my height again, I feel like a manlet when everyone goes max height with their characters

[broken quail]

Been running a gun mage with recon las and chance of brainburst on hit and it's great. Staffs are overrated when brainburst is solid use of peril and guns bring instant firepower without a charge time or peril build up.

[fluid sun]

Yeah. at lvl 4 you put on 4 stacks per hit so 3x crits = 12 stacks

[worthy wedge]

Blazing Spirit seems... fine? I'm not sure why you'd want it so bad.

[empty basin]

I just feel like you wouldn't be able to put up enough crit chance to make it worthwhile

[violet thorn]

I get that, I mean like if you were playing another class would you have done enough dmg to even get to that point in the mission?

[violet thorn]

Min height is meta....thanks Fatshark?

[near siren]

Its better for hitting heads with melee plus you're a chad

[summer wind]

same

[echo parrot]

I made my height as low as it could go. Small angry redhead energy.

[summer wind]

i look like a child in the pennance armor

[broken quail]

Max height easier melee headshots? Not sure how much it matters though

[stray pond]

Damn guess my short ass Psyker is a chad then

[near siren]

No, he's a manlet

[summer wind]

i wanna go for more height but not max

[near siren]

Like one of my characters

[stray pond]

Same difference

[violet thorn]

Max height Ogryn is where its at

"me helping"

[fluid sun]

Basically bosses, either the rando spawn ones, daemon hosts, and assassination targets. You get the hit counts needed to get stacks and with up to 10% crit chance between the weapon and class base, getting a hit in before the stacks go away is relatively easy

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-computer-mad-angry-office-gif-16722109

The Vet when I stand in front of him after activating Volley Fire

[fluid sun]

How long do soul blaze stacks last?

[near siren]

I do that all the time

[violet thorn]

Its better when you have played Vet for so long so you know exactly what you are doing

[near siren]

True

[warped perch]

Savage

[wet jacinth]

I throw grenades at bombers

[echo parrot]

I throw bombers at grenades

[wet jacinth]

I purgatus/flamer toxflamers

[brazen acorn]

Is the “10% chance to Brain Burst on hit” skill any good? I’ve tried it once with a Recon Lasgun and found it mostly underwhelming. Too hard to activate it when you want and the cooldown is long enough that you don’t want to waste it on a poxwalker or something.

[mighty vault]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[summer prairie]

Right now it's only useful for maintaining stacks and maybe getting one free BB when you know you are not on a CD after some downtime

[near wyvern]

Haven't checked the frames yet for exact amount but seems to be around 10s maybe a bit less, 11 ticks for sure

[summer prairie]

If there was a buff indicator, maybe you could use more purposefully but even then it's questionable

[mighty vault]

you don't have to micromanage it.

[brazen acorn]

I wish the CD was visible as a status, like BH’s free crits in VT2.

[fresh reef]

over a quarter million dockets for a set that barely fits together lol

[mighty vault]

and is hella ugly

[wet jacinth]

It can trigger off ranged/melee so it's a free brain burst of damage.
Hell even Brainburst can trigger the 10% giving you a double brainburst

On smalls like poxwalkers. It's just a free warpcharge

[long wharf]

who the fuck decided to pair horizontal stripes with recolored carny pants?

you're going to get yourself arrested by the fashion police inquisition for sure

[brazen acorn]

Yeah it’d be fine if it was free, but I think I’d rather have either of the other feats from that level

[mighty vault]

okay, take one of those then

[fresh reef]

thankfully I won't actually be running it lol

[near wyvern]

Recon Lasgun seems like an obvious choice but in reality the most useful part of the feat is reliable warp charge generation / upkeep and being able to absolutely obliterate an elite with melee, happens more often than you would think

Purgatus staff, voidstrike during horde, surge staff, infantry lasgun Mk IV, all are good for triggering it

Recon lasguns get ammo problems at damnation

[mighty vault]

and then you're a gunpsyker, which means you're getting kicked

[wet jacinth]

Recon lasgun is bait imo.

Unless you're running infernus or smth

[brazen acorn]

Yeah I don’t like them in general

[wet jacinth]

Then again. I personally run purgatus

Recon lasgun is better on vet

[mighty vault]

Recon's a lot of fun on veteran.

[brazen acorn]

Voidstrike is my go-to. Trauma is the worst imo.

[fresh reef]

kicking is small peen behavior

[mighty vault]

But he gets more crit for infernus. Whereas you're now a gunpsyker, so

[wet jacinth]

Trauma is budget voidstrike

[fresh reef]

it's like you combined surge and void and made it slightly worse at both of those specialties

[wet jacinth]

Even if they were a gunpsyker. I wouldn't go with recon lasgun of all choices

[mighty vault]

yeah, especially when there are staves that actually benefit your feats

[dawn orchid]

Recon lasgun is the worst choice

Because you suck up so much ammo comparatively

[mighty vault]

Maybe another subclass will get...force guns, or feats that do something for guns

[near wyvern]

TBF I did susprisingly well at damnation using FS and Revolver.

You basically play like a melee and a tank and if you see an elite you can just delete them with the revolver. Bulwakrs obviously need to be opened with BB first.

Optimal? Obviously not, but viable.

[mighty vault]

but until then, kick

[dawn orchid]

I say this as an infernus recon appreciator, you need a really, really good rolled gun for higher difficulty

[wet jacinth]

Psykers main gimmick imo is also that they dont require ammunition/grenades. Leaving those for teammates

Not main I should say

But a Plus

[fresh reef]

👎

[fluid sun]

Eh, gunpsyker feels real

[fresh reef]

if they're terrible because of their loadout choice, let them learn that

[fluid sun]

at least until feats/staffs get reworks

[mighty vault]

On another team, sure

[wet jacinth]

If anything it might be a subclass

[mighty vault]

one willing to suffer their stubbornness

[fluid sun]

Possibly. But at least right now gun psyker doesn't have a critical mass of horde numbers they cannot clear

[dawn orchid]

Just play vet if you want to go gun psyk, class has literally zero benefits to using one

[wet jacinth]

What was the lightning stave again? Fkin palpatine Cosplayers

[fluid sun]

Kind of my main gripe with the psyker staffs is that once you reach that critical mass you just can't do anything.

[mighty vault]

You can...quell, or ult.

[fresh reef]

anyone have predictions for biomancer subclass?

[echo parrot]

Or swap to a non-force melee for uber fast passive quell

knife is bae

[mighty vault]

Sure, but FS is too good to do that

[wet jacinth]

Not another knife user

[mighty vault]

knife psyker = kick

[fluid sun]

Quelling requires space and ult has a CD. The former may not be attainable without clearing (the issue at hand) and the latter increases the critical mass you can hold off

[summer prairie]

knife is S tier

[solid raptor]

Hello
Can an1 tell me does dueling sword can roll with deflector?

[fossil lagoon]

knifecel in my sight ... KICK

[near wyvern]

Knife is great for herecy and lower

In Damnation it takes way too much effort to kill a mutie with it

[mighty vault]

No.

[silk flax]

They cannot. Only Force Swords

[summer prairie]

FS doesn't do anything useful

[wet jacinth]

S tier yeah but overused

[fast swan]

knife quickly moves down to D tier when the carpel tunnel kicks in

[long wharf]

I'm all for a psyker subclass that focuses on warp empowered pistols

[fluid sun]

It cannot. As far as I know that blessing only comes on the FS

[fresh reef]

lmao

[mighty vault]

It does 1200 damage to crusher heads

[summer prairie]

is that good?

[solid raptor]

Ty for info i go cry under shower then...

[long wharf]

fsword can also destroy mutants

[summer prairie]

barely faster than a BB

[fast swan]

FS oneshots all except ogryn

thats useful

so long as the enemy is alone

[mighty vault]

Seriously, brainlet take

[fluid sun]

Built in damage steroid for up to 18% is pretty decent. That's comparable to the preacher's damage bonus that requires melee hits

[brazen acorn]

If you don’t have space to quell you should probably be using melee instead of a staff anyway…

[mighty vault]

It also doesn't dump a shitload of peril on you after you use it

[echo parrot]

What is this kickball during elementary school? I roll knife/surge and void/FS on damnation without issues. You need to open your mind a bit lol

[wet jacinth]

Me who uses Chainsword on my Psyker

[near wyvern]

The real way to do it is:

Special, push, use special with attack

[wet jacinth]

Or Dueling sword

[mighty vault]

you'll be all right

[silk flax]

You have to constantly keep an eye out on the timer for your maxed warp charges though. Sounds like a pain

[fluid sun]

Normally I'd agree. I was talking about if you're trying to horde clear and have reached that critical mass number of mobs/cannot continue dealing damage due to peril, you have no real answer for clear. The melee weapons are largely terrible for high lvl crowd clear

[wet jacinth]

I personally use the dueling sword where both heavies are stabs. Feels like Saltzpyre rapier to me

[long wharf]

holy fuck, you try to take on hordes with a knife?

[dawn orchid]

I can get a 50% damage boost by pressing f that lasts an entire fight, highlights all ranged enemies, highlights them for my team, as a vet who also gets other bonuses like from sniper

[wet jacinth]

lol..

[dawn orchid]

On top of more ammo

Passively

[mighty vault]

Like 2 minutes ago someone was bragging about taking on hordes with psyker guns, these kids ain't right

[brazen acorn]

skill issue

[fluid sun]

There's a feat that gives you the 4% chance to gain warp from killing enemies by you/allies in coherency. While unlikely if you're last man standing, pouring recon las/infantry auto gun into a horde generally gets you at least 1 stack per reload which gives you a reset

[long wharf]

yeah, there are a few regulars here who just insist that using a gun on a psyker is perfectly fine

[echo parrot]

You would be surprised how effective it is if you actually know how to dodge/shove. Its def more challenging than with a Mk V DS, I just use knife because preference.

[summer prairie]

knife is slow horde clear but completely safe and decent control since you are spamming push attacks

[fluid sun]

Sure, but then build discussions don't matter because lvl 1s should be able to clear damnation on skill alone

[mighty vault]

There are feats to remove peril on warp kill, and you barely have to quell at all to get another stream of purgatus off, you should never be in a "critical" situation of horde.

[near wyvern]

Meanwhile Purgatus looks at damnation high intensity like

[mighty vault]

Exactly.

[manic needle]

I would rather have a good knife user in my party than a bad force sword user

[long wharf]

I'd rather have a good psyker

[mighty vault]

Well no shit, that's a stupid remark to even make

[long wharf]

one that understands what a psyker brings to the group and leans into it

[manic needle]

Kicking someone for their weapon type is some baby tier shit

Must be a snow day somewhere

[mighty vault]

t. knife toting gunpsyker

[summer prairie]

knife+surge makes sense as you can get safely close to anything and then finish off elites/shooters quickly

[long wharf]

knife surge doesn't, because knife isn't good at clearing a horde, and surge is useless against that kind of mass of enemies

[silk flax]

What blessings are you using on your dagger?

[summer prairie]

the whole team doesn't have to have super fast horde clear

you are never going to take any damage in a horde with the knife

[mighty vault]

Surprise, not understanding synergy once again

[summer prairie]

and you can push through the horde to elites

[mighty vault]

The curse of psykers

[echo parrot]

Yeah. I tried Knife/Void for a bit but it just was not working, so I took the L and picked up a deflector FS for when using Void.

[long wharf]

but it sure does make everything easier when everyone is capable of handling the horde in some capacity

[summer prairie]

you are capable, just a bit slower. Still faster than FS probably

[long wharf]

not everyone needs to be able to horde clear, but bring a knife to a horde fight is just... bad

[mighty vault]

You generally shouldn't lean so hard into one role that you're fucking useless in others, either

[fluid sun]

The situation I most often find myself liking using guns more is when you find yourself essentially last man standing because it doesn't matter how "well" you play your staff, it can only clear hordes at X pace due to range limitations (flame & trauma), effect limitations (lightning), or positioning (void strike).

It doesn't necessarily close off using FS, but using two peril affecting weapons can be rough. Also FS clears hordes dreadfully slowly. The horde clear melee weapons are kind of by and large sub-par for psyker

[echo parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1053895651190120468/image.png

Not the best blessings

[long wharf]

my biggest complaint with purge is that it's too short ranged

[echo parrot]

But I am not going to argue with a 378

[summer prairie]

knife one-shots every non-elite and with lacerate it's good boss/bigger elite damage

[mighty vault]

The horde clear melee weapons are kind of by and large sub-par for psyker
lmao

[long wharf]

there is nothing subpar about my combat axe, I assure you

and I don't even have the good blessings on it

[echo parrot]

I think Oro needs their juicebox

[mighty vault]

put it in your blog

[manic needle]

Based and axe-pilled

[tender terrace]

literally up on my livejournal right now, jokes on you

[mighty vault]

ohshi—

[manic needle]

anime pfp

[long wharf]

livejournal!

[echo parrot]

Oh shit you right

[fluid sun]

Every weapon can clear hordes given enough time and skill. But playing a 40 min. heresy map because a psyker is the melee horde clear isn't super enjoyable for myself, so I try to avoid that situation

[silk flax]

Haha yeah those blessings.. Hopefully the re-blessing will fix that. Although, good dagger base nonetheless. If you have 2 choices of blessings what you would want?

[long wharf]

right next to your favorite recipes, right?

[idle bay]

<--- Low stat axe with 27% cleave and 2-pip Brutal Momentum - i'm doing fine vs Horde

[long wharf]

and that one rambling post when you were drunk about why cats rule the world

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[summer prairie]

You can do sub 20 damnation just fine with a knife psyker. 4 characters shouldn't be dealing with the horde at the same time or if they are, the horde is gone quickly anyway

[long wharf]

just means other players are picking up your slack, that's all

[summer prairie]

If you only have knife zealots on your team, sure pick a different weapon

No, I'm doing something more useful than clearing trash that is not a threat

[long wharf]

what are you doing, then?

[summer prairie]

killing elites?

[long wharf]

with a knife?

[mighty vault]

Then what's the purpose of the knife? Psyker "shouldn't be dealing with" melee elites face-to-face if you have 3 other classes that are better at it, by that logic.

[summer prairie]

yes? do you know how much damage it does

[tender terrace]

not a lot

[long wharf]

what ranged are you bringing with that knife then?

[mighty vault]

Not 1200 to a crusher head, that's for sure

Crushers being particularly resistant to bleed, btw

[summer prairie]

surge, but fine with purg/void as well

[mighty vault]

So a stunbot that's bad at melee, too, holy moly

[long wharf]

that's... a pretty bad combination choice

[summer prairie]

It's very good

[long wharf]

you're bringing 0 ability to clear the horde

[mighty vault]

Stunbots are useful enough that it isn't worth a kick, but you should know, ordinarily that'd be a kick

[long wharf]

in the hopes that you get to deal with elites

[mighty vault]

But RIP dignity

[fast swan]

imagine kicking

LOL

supremacist dogs

[mighty vault]

Don't have to imagine it 😏

[brazen acorn]

Oro probably kicks people on Malice difficulty

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-surprised-gif-5843462

[brazen acorn]

for not being enough of a tryhard

[mighty vault]

nah I just shoot barrels on malice and watch people kick themselves

[fast swan]

if you cant carry 3 dogs on damnation sorry sweaty u simply suck at the game 💅

[mighty vault]

into the void

[lapis bay]

Why does the revolver suck so much ass in this game

[mighty vault]

It's good 😦

And cool.

(if you're not a psyker)

[echo parrot]

I would choose Shred > Haymaker > Lacerate, and keep the Riposte. In order to make it work and survive you are going to be dodging like crazy anyways, so its free crit pretty much. Shred is an easy good choice because you are going to be constantly attacking anyways. Haymaker can be very helpful for when you are cornered by crushers for example, but ideally you both shouldn't be getting yourself into that kind of situation and/or running a ranged that doesnt allow you some CC against such big boys (which is why I only use Knife with Surge and use a FS instead with Void). Lacerate I have mixed feelings about, as 1) we arent zealots, and 2) you only get the benefit when trying to avoid weak spots, which is counter intuitive when dealing with hordes.

Sorry for wall of text, I use knife, a lot.

[lapis bay]

It’s a 5 shot with the slowest firing rate in game with meh damage

[mighty vault]

You don't need firing rate for what it's for.

The damage is quite good, as is the penetration, and most importantly the switch speed is near infinite.

[summer prairie]

Look at that terrible damage

[mighty vault]

It's a good sidearm for zealot for when you absolutely can't get to that elite or whatever and your vet is useless

[summer prairie]

with 30%+ crit

[mighty vault]

Doesn't knife have 15% crit

[summer prairie]

15+5+warp nexus

[echo parrot]

Based and oropilled

[mighty vault]

where's crusher

[summer prairie]

I didn't include every enemy, it's not great against crusher

[mighty vault]

where's mauler, and scab rager

[summer prairie]

surge

[silk flax]

All good. Appreciate the reply. Have you ever thought about Mercy Killer and Lacerate? Those 2 combined are very good.

[mighty pike]

Rejects: which duelling sword do you prefer

[deft trench]

got my first 380 🗿

[mighty vault]

I too omit data that is unfavorable to my position 🤝

[silk flax]

I prefer Mk5. It's awesome mobility and has a hefty overhead strike down for easy headshots

[summer prairie]

Do you just want the whole table

[mighty vault]

I don't, no. I don't know who that was for, but it wasn't me.

[echo parrot]

Interesting idea, but seems like they both play against each other. Maybe useful against big boys and some elites, but not really against horde, and you are already going to basically get free head stabs thanks to surge anyways.

[mighty vault]

They might.

[silk flax]

Nice Tac Axe. I love them

[mighty pike]

I have just got one for the first time and i may agree

[near wyvern]

Mk II and Mk IV, both have cleave instead of defence which you find on Mk V

Other has a bit better vs horde (4 light chain) while the other has easier time dealing with maulers and scab Ragers (2 stabs on a heavy)

[near wyvern]

Now you just need brutal momentum on it

[idle bay]

I love how BM puts Mauler on his ass sometimes 🙂

[lapis bay]

Which axe has the best cleave?

[silk flax]

Antax has the best cleave, unless you get a nice tac axe with the blessing "Brutal Momentum"

[ebon jolt]

Wonder when they’ll fix those stamina curios. Want to try stacking + 9 for peril blocking memes.

[summer prairie]

mk2 tac axe with good rolls might be a bit faster yep

I think they will fix the curio texts rather than change the values

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002

[mighty vault]

+3 Wound

[lapis bay]

The meta build

[devout crater]

not great blessings but which of these do you guys think is better?

[long wharf]

why not 3x +3 wounds?

[hardy socket]

2nd one has better perks i think, good amount of flak enemies around

[mighty vault]

I don't think curios have more than +1 each

Otherwise, yes, +9 Wound would obviously be the play

8 or less wounds = kick

[fluid sun]

The 2nd sword has better overall dps as the first target and finesse stats are slightly higher and will have essentially slightly better hit damage and attacks speed. Also having 2x lvl 4 perks is good--the locked one is specialists which is decent since you need to 1 shot specialists with special ability and this helps.

When blessing crafting eventually comes out that's a great set of stats to work with IMO, and barring red/equivalent weapons come out soon after or enemy armors/types and distributions change drastically, those base stats will be great for some time to come

[viscid brook]

as a psyker i want to equip toughness curios right?

and not hp

[fast swan]

wrong

wounds

[viscid brook]

oh okay thanks

[mighty vault]

oh god

[solid raptor]

xD

[fast swan]

do whatever feels good but nothing has a noticable impact for me except wounds

[clear heath]

honestly i've been enjoying 2x toughness and 1 hp curio so i can actually survive grims

[mighty vault]

equip knife curios for +KICK%

[devout crater]

yeah I thought as much, thanks for the reply 🙂 just need crafting to release fully so I can add deflector >.<

[brazen acorn]

Okay you have officially made it on my “List of People Whose Opinions Are Ignored”

[clear heath]

Used to do 3x toughness and it worked great but i don't like just losing if someone grabs a grimoire

[mighty vault]

Damn, that really ruins my day, whoever you are

[fluid sun]

That's everyone's issue right now for FS--getting jedi blocking tricks + 2nd blessing of choice

[fast swan]

will i be able to spend crafting mats to make any blessing? like bloodthirsty for FS?

[mighty vault]

No.

You can supposedly destroy weapons to recover blessings from them and pay to re-bless other weapons with them, or combine lower rank blessings into higher rank ones for the same purpose. But we'll see in 2024

[fast swan]

i see, ty

[elfin roost]

EMPRAH

[violet yoke]

435 with max blessings. and perks dont think ull be happy with what u see on that thing

[echo parrot]

Agreed

[fluid sun]

Sir, you are giving false hope. This is a TBD feature XD

[elfin roost]

I love immediately being brought down when showing something I got 🥹

[violet yoke]

aye all emp gifts are nice usualy have high teir blessings

[tender terrace]

ITS SHIT BRO ENJOY

[devout crater]

I've yet to see a staff from empy

[violet yoke]

keep um if we can every rip and remove blessings

[devout crater]

got about 10 las guns though

[fluid sun]

The rating shouldn't matter much if you get good stat distributions, though I'm not familiar enough with the stats off hand to know if there are any "bad" stats on the flame staff

[violet yoke]

its worth keeping all emp blessings

[elfin roost]

At level 27 though this is kinda nice, better than whatever Ive gotten

[thorny idol]

Congrats!

and fuck the haters

[violet yoke]

its got the good blessings

[elfin roost]

Its got the good blessing lets gooooo

[fluid sun]

How do you stack the -8% charge time though?

[elfin roost]

By repeatedly charging it Id guess

[thorny idol]

flame burps

[fluid sun]

ah, makes sense then

[elfin roost]

40% increased charge time goes crazy tho

[violet yoke]

dont let go of RMB and it still stack untill u let go

[mighty vault]

No suppression on close range kill, the only important purgatus blessing

well, crit's good, nvm

[echo parrot]

Hot Orotakes

[mighty vault]

not really

crit applies two stacks, so it's pretty useful

[echo parrot]

Oroposting

[violet yoke]

yes when u play the DOT game crit is a big deal

[mighty vault]

better

[echo parrot]

Just Oro things

[wanton cove]

Got my third last night! It was 💩!

[mighty vault]

Getting gratuitous, but still fine

[echo parrot]

Oreo without the e

[elfin roost]

You could just say shitposting

[mighty vault]

That sounds pretty tasty, go with that one

[echo parrot]

Oro of the oro variety

Oros bad takes

Oros dumb opinions

Just Oro being Oro

[mighty vault]

Now you're just getting hateful

[echo parrot]

Write it on your blog

[mighty vault]

Can I write it on yours instead?

A guest post?

[echo parrot]

Nah

[long wharf]

I wish you'd stop repeating this nonsense

[mighty vault]

[echo parrot]

Repeating nonsense, in psyker chat? Nooo, nobody does that.

[fringe garden]

The best part of the first few months of a new game like this is everyone being so certain of this or that little factoid. And 90% of people are just wrong as fuck.

[tender terrace]

BB IS TRASH WHY EVEN HIT G

PSKYER DEAD CLASS

[deft oak]

Ur mom is a dead class

[violet yoke]

have i said this before ? plz show me ?

confused

[tender terrace]

deadass? omm?

[wet jacinth]

[deft oak]

Oum.

[echo parrot]

ded

[deft oak]

[wet jacinth]

A little bit of confirmation and people take it as truth

Or in other words "in my experience/imo" type shit

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/cash-money-please-dab-kids-boyfriend-gif-17321623

[elfin roost]

All information is false until 5 years after the game releases 👍

[wet jacinth]

Or yt spreading false info

[tender terrace]

wait you mean all of this shit about the earth being flat isnt true?

[long wharf]

I would slap that child.

[wet jacinth]

You mean when the real 1.0 is here

[tender terrace]

seems a lil racist ngl

[elfin roost]

Nah

[elfin roost]

0.85

[long wharf]

skin color has nothing to do with it

behavior in public does.

[mighty vault]

you bringing in race seems a lil racist ngl

[tender terrace]

cope, keep telling yourself that

[long wharf]

any child dabbing needs to be immediately reprimanded

[elfin roost]

Game currently feels like its in 0.55 with all the little bugs

[long wharf]

so they learn the gravity of the mistake they made

[mighty vault]

Is flossing okay

[tender terrace]

hating on the swag

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[long wharf]

no.

[wet jacinth]

A dabbing child is committing the ritual to be smited

[mighty vault]

too late

*flosses*

[elfin roost]

Ah I know how to

[long wharf]

slap

[elfin roost]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-yoshis-island-super-smash-brother-super-smash-brother-n64-gif-21681448

[wise quail]

Character hair colour affects BB damage, ong fr fr no cap

[mighty vault]

mans mad no one ever taught him how to dougie

[elfin roost]

Oro casually being a fortnite kid

[echo parrot]

Just Oroposting, ignore it

[tender terrace]

which is bis

[wet jacinth]

Your planet and race eye color hair. YOUR EXISTENCE.
Determines if BB is Bad or Dogshit

[elfin roost]

Oro. Hahahahahaha. ☕

[tender terrace]

WHOA ANOTHER HOUR AND ANOTHER NO STAFF IN MY HIGHEST ROLL, HOW SURPRISING AND UNUSUAL

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-gif-24981088

[wet jacinth]

Seethe

[echo parrot]

I really want to get that setup, but dont want to install chrome or have to set it up every time I fire up firefox

[tender terrace]

i have good items on all 3 other chars this pskyer is fuckin cursed

[echo parrot]

Wish there was a standalone app

Oh wait

[elfin roost]

Well when there's 4 staves and like 25 non staves it makes sense

[echo parrot]

I wonder if I can get it setup with electron

Of course, at that point might as well just use chrome

[tender terrace]

i'd pay for a patreon if an app was released that let me purchase from the app

[elfin roost]

Gunpsyker is something I'll probably try out for fun and end up maining

[mighty vault]

Probably no APIs that support that

[tender terrace]

sorry playing with balls too much fun

[tender terrace]

yeah doubt it

[wet jacinth]

gives you a stave that turns you into palpatine

Join the Darkside

[tender terrace]

but did anyone expect an api to exist to mine it from a browser? who knows

[mighty vault]

I mean, sure, it's literally just a database, lmao

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-meme-huh-gif-simpsons-meme-simpsons-gif-24537736

[elfin roost]

Surge users when they realize secondary fire ain't shit for damage, especially CC:

[mighty vault]

where do you imagine values for your inventory are stored in an online game

[elfin roost]

You get some of the dumbest people trying to kill a horde with surge in qp

[mighty vault]

although tbf SUM() is evidently "immeasurably complex" so

[tender terrace]

not somewhere that is accessible without the owner of the data providing a method to access it... lol

[mighty vault]

But they did

Just not to modify it

Which makes a lot of sense

[tender terrace]

right so go back to the original post that started this line of convo

[wet jacinth]

Personally I use purgatus

But surge cc is nice

[mighty vault]

I'm saying the owner of the data DID provide a method to access it, via APIs. Without that express permission, the extension couldn't exist.

[echo parrot]

I tried Purg multiple times but just could not get behind it, love ma'h void though.

[elfin roost]

Surge cc is as nice as someone taking a shit on your shoes and kicking you in the balls if you only use it and think it kills

[wet jacinth]

Purgatus is a different playstyle vs void so yeah

[wet jacinth]

Stunning bigger threats for moments is still nice especially if it cancels an attack animation

[echo parrot]

My surge staff combo is shooting a 0 charge burst and the pretending the game is London Simulator.

[elfin roost]

When it's just a ton of small enemies and you do nothing but spam the lightning instead of switch to melee or even m1 I mean

[wet jacinth]

It helps especially for randoms that cant deal with ragers

[wet jacinth]

That doesnt make surge bad. That's just someone who doesnt know how to switch to melee they need to

[elfin roost]

That's..

What I'm saying

[wet jacinth]

When* not how

Read wrong

But yes

Then again. Its once in a blue moon you even find a good psyker

[elfin roost]

You mean one that doesn't just focus on one aspect of their arsenal?

[mighty vault]

When 90% of psykers that join your team are hot garbage can you really be surprised when scrutiny for basics like not having a gun equipped is a little higher.

[covert valve]

have u guys gotten the API to work on your phones?

[tender terrace]

someone in another channel said it worked on their mobile chrome browser if that's what you're asking

[elfin roost]

Are you implying gun psyker?

[mighty vault]

idk why it wouldn't if the extension is compatible with the mobile versions

[wet jacinth]

Gun psykers is when you want to be vet but you chose psyker

[elfin roost]

Gun psyker is when you forget destiny exists

[covert valve]

yeah im trying to get the extension to work

[wet jacinth]

If anything. I'll be using Force sword/Revolver

[lapis bay]

Lmao no. Gunpsyker is when you’re so good you don’t need to use your powers cause most guns will kill most enemies faster if your aim is good enough

[wet jacinth]

But otherwise staves

[elfin roost]

Just... play veteran

[teal kite]

Why does the staff burst damage seem inconsistent. If I charge sometimes it kills sometimes it won't. Sometimes basically no charge will kill

[wet jacinth]

Sounds like copium

[elfin roost]

Staves are better at cc in every way

[full kite]

just did heresy hi-intensity with 3 other ogrynns

[lapis bay]

Copium is the people in here inhaling the same BS trying to be relevant when the game is viable if you’re good enough

[full kite]

never in my life was I more proctected

protected

[teal kite]

Lightning staff so good at keeping them dogs and mutants under control

[fast swan]

its not good at keeping you awake

[elfin roost]

Copium is stating one thing is directly better or something is worthless in comparison even though they aren't comparable

[fast swan]

boring ass staff

[lapis bay]

Didn’t say one is better than the other though. Straw man argument is strawman

I said anything is good if you’re good enough.

[elfin roost]

.

[teal kite]

While what you said makes sense, I never understood the point of it. A pencil might be "good" in the right hands but a better weapon is an AR15

[fluid knot]

Gunpsyker is cool an gud

[elfin roost]

Are you not literally saying guns are better in nearly if not every way if you're good

[mighty vault]

You can probably win the game using revolver special attack, but you're still not welcome on my team if you're doing it.

[lapis bay]

Of course and that’s understandable, please kick any member that doesn’t fit your definition of a “good player” but to say it’s not viable is what I’m attacking

[fluid knot]

Not strictly true.. Gunpsyker is close fire support for killing shotgunners, trappers, maulers, ragers etc. Because 9/10 times its faster to gun those down than fuck about with a staff. Fills a different role and pulls some of the pressure off your Vet' so they can deal with things at longer distances

[mighty vault]

It's just a silly argument, anything is "viable," with enough fanagling

Doesn't make it good, or helpful to your team

I've seen enough people solo cataclysm to know that.

But spending inordinate amounts of time crouched on a crate blocking 800 attacks to occasionally blast something out until they're all gone isn't my idea of a good time

[lapis bay]

A very good point— you sacrifice CC for damage, which is a big minus. Outside of anecdotal evidence I can’t prove to you how good it actually is

But I think gunpsyker is viable, and I disagree that they’re useless or bad in any way

[fluid knot]

Its much better than people give it credit for when played properly, but gatekeepers always gonna wanna gatekeep rather than try new things

It is what it is

[echo parrot]

Imagine caring about being welcome on Oro's team

[fluid knot]

[summer prairie]

I mean if we people knew what he is saying over here, he would get kicked from every team

[full kite]

knife revolver gunpsyker ftw

shit I just got kicked from this guy named oro

[lapis bay]

The good ol John Psyk

[long wharf]

it's not that a gun psyker is "useless", they're just 1) not doing what a psyker could be doing that's unique to being a psyker, and 2) not doing anything better than a vet could

play a gun psyker all you want, just don't go around telling people how "great" or "viable" it is when the fact is your team would be better off with you playing vet instead

[summer prairie]

these games are supposed to be about trying different builds rather than trying to optimize a few seconds off clear time

[lapis bay]

No but the reliability of pug Vets makes me a better shooter 9/10 times. Take what I say with a grain of salt but I’ve also seen vets going full melee. Add a veteran with mind popping powers and its GG

[fluid knot]

Trouble is more often than not, Vet's are consistently the worst players and i find myself picking up their slack on every class :/ I went for Gunpsyker for three reasons, I have to fill that role constantly, i want to protect the Ogryn and be able to look after myself when the shit hits the fan

[tender terrace]

gun pskyer dont

• stagger elites like crazy
• delete massive amounts of horde mobs with no ammo

so its pretty grief

[long wharf]

trust me, psyker is not about "optimizing a few seconds off clear time"

[echo parrot]

• Other 3 players let him die
• Never res him
• At the very end just before the Valkyrie everyone jumps off the edge
• "Thanks for throwing Oro"

[fast swan]

if someone plays psyker and uses a gun i know they are schizo

[lapis bay]

Which elites get staggered from vet that don’t get staggered from any other gun toting class? Legit curiosity

[long wharf]

I said this earlier today - a good psyker makes runs smooth

[tender terrace]

if someone plays zealot and uses anything other than flamer i know they are schizo

[fluid knot]

A good player in any class does that though

[fast swan]

naw flamer is boring as hell, i use the revolver

[mighty vault]

knife gunpsycker ftw

[long wharf]

a good psyker makes the mission easier for the team, not via DPS, but by tactical control

[teal kite]

Sometimes I use other guns but damn the flamer is v clutch!

[mighty vault]

are you sure it isn't by shooting poxwalkers and hogging ammo pickups?

[next torrent]

and you call gunpsykers shizos

[mighty vault]

and desperately knifing crushers?

[tender terrace]

why does it have to be mutually exclusive? the pskyer lit staff is quite a bit better in general QOL for stagger, they both can accomplish the same thing, but you could probably argue pskyer does it a bit better with lit staff

[long wharf]

checks notes my bad, I had it backwards.

[fluid knot]

It'd be a fuckin boring game if we all used the exact same setup, game would die fast. Also.. Meta is a lie, like its straight up bullshit. If you like something odds are you'll learn its quirks an end up just as effective as you would using the optimal stat spread that you dont enjoy

[mighty vault]

Everything you're talking about wanting a gun for, psyker has a better alternative that benefits from their feats and doesn't soak up ammo pick-ups.

[lapis bay]

I was addressing your original point “gun psyker don’t stagger elite enemies like crazy” because between my two classes, I’ve actually not felt any difference

Plus our special is literally a room knock back which vets don’t have

[tender terrace]

meta isn't a lie, but the meta is more about mechanics than it is about LOL GOTTA DO BIG DAM and people fail to understand that

[echo parrot]

Ill give you that one

[fast swan]

honestly if you have any opinion on psyker you are a dog

[fluid knot]

I guess meta tactics yeah, i'll give you that, but meta setups are so fucking bogus

[mighty vault]

You try fun things but also acknowledge you're being a useless sack of shit half of those times. If you at least own up to that no one will fault you.

[summer prairie]

it's the same people who thought green circles in V2 meant something

[tender terrace]

its the same everywhere, ogryns arguing that grenade gauntlet is the only thing worth using, when the ripper has INSANE stagger and suppression utility over it, and doesn't make groups of mobs fly everywhere

[echo parrot]

honestly if you have any opinion on psyker you are a dog

Fixed

[fast swan]

you are a dog

fixed

[echo parrot]

Sir I am a rabbit

[mighty vault]

I'm looking for a good autopistol for my chain axe zealot right now. It ain't gonna be optimum, but I'm also not in #zealot-class calling people morons for not having faith in it

[echo parrot]

Dont mind the teeth

[fast swan]

i aint just a dog tho im a dawg you see

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[fluid knot]

Not allowed opinions in todays world, only big twitter pages are allowed an opinion and you should all be parroting those pages because twitter is always right.

[mighty vault]

silence gunpsyker

[echo parrot]

Silence autopistoleer

[tender terrace]

never catch my pskyer with a gun

[haughty schooner]

Well like, I’ll use a gun on difficulties 1-3 just for fun, but purely staff for heresy/damnation. In what scenarios would a psyker with a gun be better than just another vet though?

[mighty vault]

Soon-to-be autopistoler*

[fast swan]

the emperor did not give you space wizard powers just for you to use ur dad's AR15

[mighty vault]

then I take it back

I shouldn't have called you something so heinous

[fluid knot]

Any situation where you have a shit Vet, which in my experience, is extremely regular

[blazing oak]

Someone on the Reddit posted a tank build using a laspistol so maybe that I don’t know

[echo parrot]

I crack on it but real talk, I have a 378 autopistol on my vet that feels uber cozy to use.

[mighty vault]

Oh good, another deflector build

[tender terrace]

bro ive played with a few pskyers that didn't use force sword or a staff, just straight like catachan blade and like an accutran lasgun, didn't use bb a single time, like why even fuckin play it

[fast swan]

lmao those are just dogs who thought they chose vet

[teal kite]

LMAO

[fluid knot]

Yeah you gotta still be using BB, if not indeed, why play it

[echo parrot]

I also have a 379 one on my psyker that I never touch.

[mighty vault]

Once I started looking for one, I haven't seen on one zealot in days. I bought a maybe 349 one the other day but I don't have the mats to waste on such a POS right now.

[fluid knot]

Also, unpopular opinion, but FS is shite

[mighty vault]

It ain't 😦

[lapis bay]

Have you seen Warhammer psykers? Motherfuckers rock staves AND hell pistols and chainswords. I’d rather be a battlemage than a distance sorcerer any day of the year

[blazing oak]

Is FS force sword?

[lapis bay]

Yes

[fluid knot]

Yer

[mighty vault]

It's a faster, less peril brain burst when something actually gets in your face.

[teal kite]

They use that because unlike in the game, I don't think psykers can spam attacks in most cases

[lapis bay]

Know what’s the fastest brain burster 9/10 times? A good hatchet or bullet to the brain

[fast swan]

look imma be real

[tender terrace]

yeah unpopular and wrong

[fast swan]

why have we not gotten more news?

absolute content DROUGHT

[echo parrot]

The Psyker Chat Roulette

(1) Purg vs Void
(2) FS/Deflector is best
(3) Actually Trauma is good
(4) Actually Gunpsyker is viable
(5) Every other class is better
(6) BB sucks

[fluid knot]

I'll take the Caxes tyvm, because you know, they actually kill things

[fast swan]

i need a force greatsword and laser staff NOW

[lapis bay]

Don’t forget wounds

[mighty vault]

FS special does 1200 damage to crusher head.

[blazing oak]

Yeah but when the team can’t kill the bomber before it runs behind the wall ya got take the bb out to deal with it

[tender terrace]

i straight up only use my sword for deflecting/blocking and special attacks, nothing else

[lapis bay]

Yeah it was a dumb point for me to make, not really fair but I mean more stylistically as opposed to game mechanics

[hot zephyr]

You forgot (Bonus Round) Gun Psyker is viable in Damnation

[teal kite]

Namesis Force Lasgun with under barrel shotgun and power bayonet

[lapis bay]

100% but that’s what makes gunpsyker really good. You’re literally brain pop king

[blazing oak]

So like block push take out stave fire fire switch back when a group of melee enemies get in your face?

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[lapis bay]

Cause you have BB and bullets

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats fair, if i was gonna use it thats all i would do with it too. I just prefer the reliability of Caxe overall, also the movesets are fuckin epic, really nice feedback to the player

[tender terrace]

no i just shoot balls at immediate threats

[hot zephyr]

And every 15 seconds one of those bullets is a mind-bullet

[mighty vault]

I pretty much only use FS for special attacks and cleaning up trash, that's fine. It does what it needs to.

[echo parrot]

Thats a good one, I shifted 4 to 5 and made that the new 4

[tender terrace]

i do pull out my sword and hit special and run at ragers tho, or dogs, WORSHIP ME OR DIEEE

[teal kite]

Force sword uncharged kinda sucks so only use it's basic attacks sometimes. The charged attack is beast on those harder enemies tho

[tender terrace]

the dodging on it is super good too

its like, unlimited dodge

[blazing oak]

So if a couple of enemies get behind you and attack, you use the staff on them and not sword swings

[lapis bay]

Thank you! People seem polarized “play a veteran if you use guns you filthy peasant”..meanwhile it’s like, why not be a magic gunner? It sounds amazing to me tbh with some amazing synergy

[teal kite]

Yeah

[tender terrace]

probably, just dodge around and smack them with a ball

[summer prairie]

unlimited dodge is just a crutch, any other weapon has "unlimited dodge" if you occasionally wait 0.85s between dodges

[mighty vault]

Purgatus primary attack deals with surprise nerds

[teal kite]

A real force weapon would be like one shotting almost everything in the game

[fluid knot]

It just boils back down to that same thing you will see in every gaming community; "You dont play like i do so how you play is objectively wrong!" Its very childish

[ornate hamlet]

I would like gunker more if they didnt eat every single ammo drop on the map when I play as vet tbh

[tender terrace]

yeah that exists, its called the Power Sword

[echo parrot]

#psyker-class message Long shot but hey, any <@&735928989146939404> wanna pin this

[teal kite]

Isn't a force weapon stronger tho

[mighty vault]

Because you can't be a "magic gunner" you're just a bad veteran with brain burst

[hot zephyr]

I'm one of the ones on here who actually understands how to properly play gun psyker as an anti-specialist anti-CC role. Anyone who thinks it's the same job as veteran doesn't understand the difference.

[tender terrace]

fuck if i know

[mighty vault]

Maybe there will be a magic gunner subclass later, but right now there ain't.

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-nonono-gif-25231214

[teal kite]

A nemesis force weapon without doubt is stronger. It can kill a greater demon

[blazing oak]

I expected to see surge staff somewhere on the list but I guess I am not versed in the hot takes of psykers

[fast swan]

force halberd please

[echo parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-batman-yeah-smiles-bruce-wayne-gif-17249991

[mighty vault]

"Only I can grasp the depth and nuance of being bad at my class"

[fast swan]

or force brettonian longsword

need that

[lapis bay]

[phone] Force Halberd pls and ty

[blazing oak]

Force halberd yes My profile picture agrees

[fluid knot]

Yep, give it now

[teal kite]

Nemesis force halberd

[mighty vault]

Grail Psyker = KICK

[teal kite]

One hit kill demonhost

[fluid knot]

There is a weird lack of polearms and giving Psykers the ability to do melee damage without being nose to nose with dudes would be a really nice touch

[echo parrot]

Dont see many people talk about surge aside form good things, but always see people fight over purg/void over which is better horde clear.

[lapis bay]

Ordo Malleus where ya at

[echo parrot]

Might add surge one once I start noticing a pattern

[hot zephyr]

Nah, there's better gun psykers than me on this chat for sure. But I do understand the role correctly, which many don't.

[tender terrace]

pskyer exploding with 100% peril should just one shot everything in a 20m radius, including monstrosity, fite me

[blazing oak]

Like horde clear as in the long streams of pox walker hordes?

[mighty vault]

I fucking agree, if you're going to explode when you die it should at least kill shit.

[full kite]

if you're not using a gun on psyker you're trash

[echo parrot]

Yeah

[fast swan]

obviously i want force nun-chucks but that will be a dlc

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-tom-hardy-max-rockatansky-thats-bait-bait-gif-4987723

[lapis bay]

A paid dlc

[fast swan]

id pay

[blazing oak]

So I do still want to know if they plan to give surge it’s own lmb unique

[lapis bay]

Force butterfly knife with RGB

[fast swan]

force fist

:)

[fluid knot]

Saucy

[tender terrace]

if you're not using catachan and a recon lasgun and not using warp powers EVER, then you're TRASH

[ebon jolt]

Depends on what gun you use. Some guns are much more ammo efficient. Something like the shredder auto pistol or revolver eat ammo. Something like the Mk7 recon lasgun, MG12 infantry lasgun or Mk1 infantry autogun are all pretty ammo efficient.

[hot zephyr]

RGB Brain Burst with broken Surge Staff VFX in rainbow colours plz.

[mighty vault]

I'm fine with calling them 'gunkers' from now on, btw

[echo parrot]

Yes plz

[mighty vault]

Since they just gunk up a slot in the team with a useless nerd

[ebon jolt]

If there is a vet on the team with the ammo coherency bonus I can usually go most of the match without ammo boxes if someone uses an ammo crate at some point.

[ornate hamlet]

Every gunker Ive ran into has been using the recon lasgun and still eats ammunition like they will DIE INSTANTLY unless their ammo pool is full

[blazing oak]

In 1 Way. Showing people you don’t need no Vet powers to be better than the Veterans on your team

[lapis bay]

Gotta balance your amazing skill somehow.

[blazing oak]

Revolver Gun Psyker

[mighty vault]

I notice all your justifications involve some kind of self-challenge crucible mindset lol

[lapis bay]

It’s the greatest challenge these days.

[ornate hamlet]

Just roleplaying someone wrongly accused of being a psyker NBD

[lapis bay]

Especially on my gunpsyker

[hot zephyr]

See there's two different builds for gun.

1. Anti-elite melee + anti-horde gun (Recon Lasgun like Acctran 6/7)
2. Anti-horde melee + anti-elite gun (Agrippa Mk1, Graia Mk8, Columbus Mk5, Kantral MG12)

[fluid knot]

Best weapon ive found is MK1 Agri' Autogun, the thing fuckin shreds man

[mighty vault]

Your gunker*

[haughty schooner]

Well talking about player skill can’t really be used when comparing viability of a build. I’m talking more if skill is equal, in what scenario might gun psyker be better than a vet when performing a role

[blazing oak]

Tanking with laspistol build I guess

[fast swan]

as a psyker with many hours, here are the adjustments id make to improve some of the less suseful feats to allow for more build variety

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/adjustments-to-weaker-psyker-feats/72393/3

[mighty vault]

and what feats work best for each loadout?

[lapis bay]

The ones you use and don’t wipe with

Gg ez

[fluid knot]

Close fire support more often than not, killing short range/melee specialists, shotgunners, ragers, maulers etc, that kinda shit. That way you're opening up space for the Vet to deal with stuff at longer ranges without him getting his shit pushed in. The exception here though is if Vet has Brauto, then yeah, you have the role stole

[ebon jolt]

I think there are multiple viable builds. I use different feats than a lot of the steam guides I’ve been reading.

[full kite]

class guides are generally trash I'd ask more experienced players here

[echo parrot]

How many hours is many hours in this context

Ah, almost 200

[mighty vault]

Nearly 3

[fast swan]

i dont know lol

[lapis bay]

Besides, how do you even gauge how you do outside of wipes? Is there a hidden metric for most headshots? No? Is there a ranking system for rewards you can compare with others? I miss vermintide where you could actively see who’s the shitter and base your observations on their builds then

[fast swan]

how did ye know?>

[echo parrot]

I clicked on the link

[full kite]

you can still be shit with a fs and lightning staff

[fast swan]

naw that wasnt me, i was the og poster

lets just say i hjave enough

[haughty schooner]

Does surge staff prio elites/specials when there are a lot of enemies or is it pure rng

[fluid knot]

Proximity based as i understand it

[full kite]

it hits targets around your initial target iirc

[echo parrot]

Not hard to check steam and get a base number but alright

[viral solstice]

does the force sword special attack count as a warp attack

[echo parrot]

I am approaching 300 hours myself

[fast swan]

the most important suggestion there is to make quicken (lvl 30 feat) either restore toughness or give a movement speed boost for each warp charge

[viral solstice]

[full kite]

but also I think it hits things closer to you?

[fast swan]

and allow mind in motion to quell while sprinting

[full kite]

so even if you aim at something in the middle of the horde it hits things closer I think?

[fast swan]

while giving a quell speed boost

[full kite]

idk im lightning noob

[viral solstice]

make quell speed scale with move speed

reward move techers

[fluid knot]

Sadly, it does not

[viral solstice]

weird

[hot zephyr]

Horde build I run 1/2/1/1/3/2, when killing a horde you proc Communion and Flayer for a lot of charges and then AB ultimate gives you a secondary horde clear that doesn't cost ammo.

Elite build I run 3/1/2/1/3/3, killing specialists you can reset your BB cooldown and swap between gun and KB BB streaks\

[viral solstice]

wait no... NOT weird

[blazing oak]

The lightning is definitely vision based. It will not bounce to enemies behind you.

[viral solstice]

the 15% lower cd on elite kill aura bonus applies to you as well?

never used it so not tested

[blazing oak]

It’s not weird?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, I've tested in grinder

[viral solstice]

yeah i mean like, warp stuff is weird

oh hell yeah cool

[blazing oak]

Wait are you saying it’s not weird that it doesn’t count as warp attack

[fluid knot]

Yeah i can also confirm this

An you dont need to kill many either to get it back, its really quite efficient

[viral solstice]

i was bein a punner beacuse u know a witch is a "weird sister"

so if its a normal attack its not weird

[hot zephyr]

2 or 3 elite kills from a group of shotgunners or ragers basically almost fully resets ur cooldown. It's hella useful.
I use to CC with the push, then mag dump and wreck them and your CD is basically back a few seconds later.

[fluid knot]

Pretty much yeah, an being able to reset the gun/KB cycle three or four times per mob is seriously underrated

[lapis bay]

F

[manic needle]

Pretty nice axe tbh

Decimator is good if you cant get limbsplitter

[summer prairie]

but it doesn't work with push attacks

[mighty vault]

Seems fine if you insist on hordeclearing with an axe instead of doing psyker things

[fluid knot]

Prefer Deci' tbh on Caxe

I dont like constantly push attacking

[manic needle]

Yeah, Limbsplitter is the better option for that reason

[lapis bay]

Its great as a backup to my gunpsyker

[fast swan]

alright lets be real, the special attack melee for all staves should be buffed to kill fodder if you land 2 headshots

[mighty vault]

Not nearly as good as my revolver special attack veteran

[fluid knot]

Isnt special attack with stave just a smack over your enemies bunce?

[viral solstice]

something funny that i have tested

the crit multi on the staff projectile is super high

[orchid venture]

im a bit sad from a run yesterday... me n an Ogryn could've clutched out a save, but I set my mic button to be too far away from wasd. I just needed them to put their shield down for awhile and let me brain burst a few guys from behind em 😔

[viral solstice]

and surge staff gets a 25% crit bonus chance

so the surge staff left click should crit like a mofo

[lapis bay]

If you had a gun it'd be a non issue

[fierce sinew]

guns known for their ability to shoot through ogryn, unlike staves

zzzz

[orchid venture]

it probably would've kept being an issue in that case

[mighty vault]

should've whipped out your psykerknife, coward

[full kite]

is it finally time to play gunpsyker: staff edition??

[viral solstice]

i mean if u have a melee weapon with shred

u could stack shred