psyker-class

[mental vortex]

I would say test both if charge rate doesnt seem to hurt too much you should upgrade since higher blessing tier

[dawn orchid]

You generally just spam as fast as you can with surge so charge rate isn't quite as important

[mental vortex]

yeah true

you dont have to charge to the max

[idle bay]

If you just want to stun - there is no need to charge Surge. Charging is for killing Armored Ogryns

[mental vortex]

hm

depends on the team I guess

[dawn orchid]

Left also has a better starting blessing

[mental vortex]

if they can actually kill stuff you are stunning quickly left it is

but you cant really trust pubs

[dawn orchid]

Surge staff has a -75% damage modifier to unarmored enemies btw

And is not particularly good for hordes that are in your face, so I'd consider terrifying barrage a wasted blessing on it

[mental vortex]

maybe we will be able to change blessings

but even then bad blessing tier

[sturdy meadow]

the charge time diff is 0.3s at best

and spamming, it hits half bar anyway

the damage rng is so wild

full charges make almost no diff imo

[idle bay]

It's good vs hordes.. but with just LMB spam if you can click fast and aim for heads 🙂

[sturdy meadow]

in the meat grinder, 2 spams > 1 full charge

[idle bay]

I also though that Run and Gun blessing is useless up until i started popping head with it on the run 🙂

[dawn orchid]

Eww, that's not good against hordes by any means

[idle bay]

Good enough if you have some range on it. You can thin horde out by significant numbers with just basic LMB spam and even trigger "killing spree" voicelines from team with it

It's still better than zzaping poxwalkers anyway

First thing to learn - is to ignore existence of Crosshair for LMB bolt - it makes you waste time.

worst crosshair ever

[dawn orchid]

Mmmm, I'm testing it in the psykanium on heresy and it takes two bolts to kill a single groaner without a headshot, 3 for dreg bruisers. It can kill a poxwalker on one shot but that might be because I have unarmored damage on my staff

I wouldn't consider this efficient horde clear by any means

I can actually kill them faster with surge spam

[idle bay]

Bolt should kill any rank-and-file enemy with a single headshot - poxwalker, scab, dreg - does not matter.

[dawn orchid]

Headshot being the key word, highly unreliable on the staff

[idle bay]

Practice a bit - they will land naturally

Like Darktide have some kind of aim-assist. And when hit registration is not broken again 🙂

[dawn orchid]

That's great if it works for you, but I wouldn't consider this to be generally reliable by any means.

[idle bay]

Also - Bolt even if it hits floor- creates shitload of Suppression.

[sturdy meadow]

basically testing the time it takes to deal the same amount of damage, spam is way better overall

[near wyvern]

LMB is really for a quick stagger

[sturdy meadow]

for horde clear, I cast Axe

[near wyvern]

Ans suppression ofc

[sturdy meadow]

mk V axe + brutal momentum + block/shove/swing is efficient horde clear

[idle bay]

I'm using it to kill dreg-shooters, and for horde thinning. Also to kill stragglers fast

[faint heron]

What did I just read 🤣

[idle bay]

And then comes the Axe 🙂

Less Axe swinging to do after LMB spam 🙂

[dawn orchid]

Seems like 700% more effort to kill things with lmb than just to spam surge

[faint heron]

If I saw a Psyker left click spamming a surge staff at a horde I'd kick him

[idle bay]

And that mean you don't know how to play psyker 🙂

Can't even use LMB spam - ha!

Play zealot or something

[faint heron]

I couldn't think of a less efficient way to kill hordes

[dawn orchid]

I mean, if you can land headshots 100% of the time with lmb on moving targets while also being shot at and attacked, then by all means

[idle bay]

Think for a moment; Horde at the distance: you have axe, and surge. Your options?

[faint heron]

Run up and start cleaving with the axe 🤣

[idle bay]

1. Zaap - to kill 5-6 of them and get to 90% peril
2. wait from them to kill them with axe
3. thin them with LMB and then CHARGE at them with an AXE

[dawn orchid]

Fun fact, if you stun the front side of a horde, it'll interrupt the pathing of things behind it and get in their way.

[north cradle]

I think I found me a new Voidstrike Staff at last

[dawn orchid]

No quell on weak spot hit?

Vendor

[north cradle]

Maybe it'll pop on upgrade

[dawn orchid]

I wish you luck

I've been trying to roll an optimal infernus on my vet for a week now

[idle bay]

Make a blood sacrifice to RNG-something and roll for it 🙂

[cyan notch]

if u have shred stacks surge bolts crit even more often and do a ton of damage

[north cradle]

I'm doing the Macarena as we speak

Sustained Fire, so probably less than nothing

[near wyvern]

There is no point in upgrading a void if it doesn't have transfer peril

At blue

[manic needle]

RNGeentch

AKA just Tzeentch

[idle bay]

I stashed 4000+ Dalamantine waiting for " crafting system". Probably will stash 8000+ at the moment it's implemented

[idle bay]

RNG-Gorka-or-Morka

[cyan notch]

its probably gonna cost you more plasteel

[sturdy meadow]

i'm just waiting for re blessings

[idle bay]

I do not count Plasteel it's always in abundance for me

[sturdy meadow]

emperor gave this to me, it's not perfect but I like it.

[north cradle]

Ya I have like six Force Swords with Deflector on them so I can melt them into a T4 Deflector

[near wyvern]

You would find one faster by waiting at a church

[ornate hamlet]

Happy 36th of December

[sturdy meadow]

but it hurts when I get close to churches 😦

[cyan notch]

really? thats rare how much do you have?

[ornate hamlet]

Good thing FS hasnt broken their promise about crafting in December

[near wyvern]

Just don't go to a Catholic one and you don't get any butt pain

[north cradle]

Try Orthodox, they got better hats

[near wyvern]

If TF2 thought us something it's that it is all about the hats

[cyan notch]

thats amazing

congrats

[near wyvern]

@idle bay confirmed cheater

[idle bay]

I spend all my dockets on weapons with nice perks

for future transfer

I don't see how Plasteel is an issue. Dalamantine is the rarest thing and game require shitton of it to make garbale orange curio or weapon

Couple of upgrades and you at 0 from 3000

[sturdy meadow]

people play damnation and heresy too much

[idle bay]

Ah.. that might explain it. I'm mostly Malice/Heresy

[cyan notch]

it costs like 1200 plasteel and like idk 450 diamantine to upgrade from blue to orange

[idle bay]

"Green dust" issue again?

[dawn orchid]

Yeah, things cost way more plasteel generally

[sturdy meadow]

I have enough diamantine at last... gonna upgrade this staff. wish me the Omnissiah's best blessings...

[idle bay]

But you get a lot of plasteel generally unless you speed running a lot.

[sturdy meadow]

i guess it's an easy pick of which perk to reroll....

now the question is what i should reroll into

[dawn orchid]

I'm not getting double the plasteel to diamantine on heresy

[sturdy meadow]

What should I reroll weak spot damage into? Flak? Unarmoured? Carapace?

[idle bay]

So it is "green dust" all over again....

[deft fiber]

Well. My average run on heresy is 150-200 plasteel and 80-120 diamantine. So it's close to double tho.

[dawn orchid]

But I'm also crafting a ton trying to get an optimal infernus on my vet

[idle bay]

I'm more often play Malice and it's 3/1 Plasteel/Dalamantie. With occasional Heresy

[dawn orchid]

My experience with malice is that you don't necessarily get more plasteel, but you do get less diamantine by comparison to heresy

[dawn orchid]

Close, but the difference is why I have a massive amount more diamantine that plasteel now

[deft fiber]

Yes, but it's, as you stated, depends on how much you roll.

[idle bay]

I also noticed that quite often spots with large clusters of materials are ignored (becuase they require quite a bit of side-tracking from fastest route)

[near wyvern]

Running herecy and damnation you get around twice the plasteel compared to diamantine, however, when you upgrade, you spend around three times the plasteel compared to diamantine.

[dawn orchid]

I try my best to open everything for mats in a timely manner, even though it's a lot of effort to do all the time

[idle bay]

My main materials dump - is curios. I'm trying to get a set of "Corruption res/Block/Class ability"

[manic needle]

Curio upgrades are hungry for plasteel

It is known

[idle bay]

There were no plasteel stravation for me even once, only dalamatine starvation

[manic needle]

What difficulty do you typically play on, out of curiosity?

[idle bay]

Malice mostly, with occasional heresy

[manic needle]

Ahh yeah that explains it

On heresy+ your chokepoint becomes Plasteel since you get a lot more diamantine

then the big hurdle becomes how much more plasteel everything costs

[idle bay]

100-150 dalamatine per heresy

Yesterday i had a fun heresy speedrun on axe/surge psyker with 3 random knife Zealots 🙂

[manic needle]

I imagine the run was mostly you running to desperately catch up lol

Thats how Knife Zealots move when theyre in packs

[idle bay]

Nope they were getting stuck too much, we were running evenly 🙂

[manic needle]

Im surprised but at least the match is more fun that way

And Im a big fan of Axe with Surge staff as well

[idle bay]

There way way way too much shooting dregs

[manic needle]

Unlimited Power staff goes bzzzzzzzzzt

[idle bay]

And then ass slide and chop

Faster than zaaping them 🙂

[manic needle]

Yeah if you have to take care of them yourself then you cover your approach with surge and then engage in melee

Id much rather control for the zealots if able to though

but obviously combat is rarely about dealing with ideal situations

[idle bay]

Zealots were fast enough to use that surge oppeing to introduce cultists to "british knife culture"

[orchid shadow]

I just joined a Heresy game with 3 Zealots, and the tried to rush ahead the whole level. Is that.. normal? When you get a team like that? We all died in the first.. 2 minutes?

[fast swan]

just dogs being dogs

[manic needle]

Only because Zealot seems to attract all of the old Kerillian mains from Vermintide

[idle bay]

Well not every rushing-forward-Zealot have actual skill to be one

[manic needle]

....Wew I called Vermintide Darktide. I should go to bed lol.

[fast swan]

if you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen

[manic needle]

I mean you can also just not play like the toxic Handmaidens from VT2 and use your abilities to charge ahead of everyone lol

[blazing oak]

Not experienced with VT2, how is handmaiden supposed to be played?

[manic needle]

Its an agile melee class with a charge ability, great for flanking or dodging in and out of melee to avoid damage

One of the classes unique features is that you dodge farther than other characters, too

[orchid shadow]

It was bizarre, I knew they have some sort of speed boost, but I didn't expect them to pull the whole zone. I've never see that before. Two of them got too far ahead and died, and it was over at that point.

[sturdy meadow]

guess this is my life now. 😄

[idle bay]

You forgetting main class feature of ALL the Kerrillian classes!

[manic needle]

Heresy gets a lot of toxic penance seekers too. They probably were going for a speedrun and playing stupidly/selfishly as a result

You dont need to charge ahead and aggro everything to do the under 20 mins penance but some people play like you do

[idle bay]

Ability to occasionally call all the party Lumberfoots with an echo when pressing class ability!

[blazing oak]

Was kerillian friendly fire as bad as people say though?

[manic needle]

Probably not on Handmaiden?

[idle bay]

You don't need Unarmored of Surge - rer-roll to Flak 🙂

[manic needle]

Thatd be mostly a Waystalker problem

[blazing oak]

How good was the spear n shield because I see that a Polearm and shield exists in horde game and want use

[idle bay]

I watched video of Vermitide recently - i clearly recall that Kerillian was with a spear and did what i mentioned

[manic needle]

Every once in a while Id get grouped up with someone who just spams longbow on minimum draw into hordes, and theyd hit everyone

[orchid shadow]

I'm trying to get used to Heresy difficulty, but it's almost mind bogglingly different from Malice, from types of players to the amount of crap the AI director throws at you.

[sturdy meadow]

you sure? it kills flak real fast, but i thought it would help w/ dreg shooters

[manic needle]

25% of 100-125 damage isnt an amazing boost, especially compared to the 400-something youre dealing to Flak and like the 1-2 Carapace Armored enemies that surge contends with

[idle bay]

Higher difficulty scabs might require more than one uncharged zap. And +20-25 vs Flak helps with it. While killing poxwalkers and dregs is alway takes too much zzaps to do despite any bonuses

[sturdy meadow]

gotcha

was testing on heresy xD

[austere estuary]

yo I haven't seen this blessing before

wonder what its limits are

[sturdy meadow]

about 4-5% at max level iirc

20-25% chance to instakill at max stacks

[austere estuary]

I mean like which units

[sturdy meadow]

oh, everything

that isn't a boss

even ogryns

[austere estuary]

no way really

whaaat

[sturdy meadow]

i had one i tested, it does work on oggies

[austere estuary]

wow

[summer prairie]

it's pretty bad

[sturdy meadow]

yeah even 20% is subejct to the kind of RNG that would make hadron's bad rolls blush in shame

[manic needle]

It just kinda seems like a Flayer proc but much, much rarer

Chances of it being more effective and like one shotting a Crusher or something are minimal

[sturdy meadow]

it's more of a supplementary DPS boost

don't use it expecting the kill

[austere estuary]

hmm

[idle bay]

Flayer proc have some kind of eagerness tied to it. If you have not hitted anything in a while, when your next first hit tends to almost always get it procced

[austere estuary]

I'd have thought 20% chance to instagib on something as fast as a dagger would be good

[gaunt monolith]

Hey is it possible to quell peril even though I reached 100%?

[austere estuary]

yes

[summer prairie]

the dagger heavies do a lot of damage already

[gaunt monolith]

thanks

[sturdy meadow]

you only explode if you use a skill AFTER you hit 100%

[austere estuary]

dagger push is better than the heavy though

same damage but way faster

[summer prairie]

yes and the push does not count as chained

[austere estuary]

push attack*

oh rip

[gaunt monolith]

Ahh Okie thats good to know thanks :p Im just trying to maximize ability use insted of jumping over to sword right away

[manic needle]

If you use something above 97%, mostly

[sturdy meadow]

well depends, but yeah i sometimes gamble xD

[austere estuary]

any auto quelling that occurs will also cancel your explosion animation

e.g. if your dots kill something and proc the 10% quell chance

[gaunt monolith]

I assume the F ability clears that aswell

[austere estuary]

yes

[gaunt monolith]

sweet

[manic needle]

Dont try to do this with Transfer Peril though, it doesnt seem to save you

[austere estuary]

oh I hadn

t tried that

but that figures

transfer peril also doesn

oh my goodness typing... transfer peril also doesn't feed quietude right?

[near wyvern]

And also yes it's possible to quell even after you go to the explosion animation

The only means for it are using your ult or proccing battle meditation (10% chance to quell 10% peril on kill) after you have entered the animation.

This will save you from exploding

[manic needle]

I dont think so, or its very limited

It didnt do much when I was in games in terms of toughness generation

[gaunt monolith]

Thanks Pygex I will keep that in mind 🙂 🙏

[manic needle]

Thats actually what made me switch to Warp Absorption on Voidstrike

[brisk bone]

ok I'm new to psyker and it's bothering me that there are 2 "mind over matter" achievements

[manic needle]

Well you see

[gaunt monolith]

I had warp absorption too idk why I changed it to essence harvest

[manic needle]

One has a capital O

[brisk bone]

I did notice that

[manic needle]

Making it very different.

[brisk bone]

and it bothered me MORE

[near wyvern]

Wait till you realize our ult is called psycinetic wrath and we also have the exact same name on a feat

If people are talking, PW refers to feat and we use ult or ability for the ult/ability, not the actual name

[brisk bone]

that's not confusing at all

[near wyvern]

Welcome to the madness sibling

[blazing oak]

This discord has a distressing lack of psyker emotes

[manic needle]

When you use Psykinetic's Wrath it makes Psykinetic's Wrath less effective, so be sure not to take too many feats that synergize with Psykinetic's Wrath or it will nerf your Psykinetic's Wrath

[brisk bone]

I think everyone forgets about sparkhead

[manic needle]

That is a real sentence that makes sense but may or may not be good advice

[brisk bone]

simply from a coding standpoint that's so dumb

[near wyvern]

It would if Psykinetic's Wrath actually hit some break points but due to it's nature it's all very unreliable since you eventually have to use Psycinetic's Wrath which forces you to give away the greatest bonuses from Psycinetic's Wrath.

[manic needle]

They should just rename the F Ability Psykinetic Shockwave

[brisk bone]

or spicy push

[cloud sequoia]

weakspot on trauma?

[near wyvern]

Works on LMB

[manic needle]

Only works with the left click attack it seems

[near wyvern]

Probably best in slot since RMB is so peril hungry

[cloud sequoia]

well i had fun with trauma

[manic needle]

Isnt LMB around 7% cost?

[cloud sequoia]

the staff need a buff tho

[near wyvern]

Depends on warp resist roll

You can get it down to 5% at least, not sure about 4%

[manic needle]

Oh lord Trauma staff needs Warp Resist, I forgot. Poor Trauma Staff

[cloud sequoia]

also the max range is 25 meter

[near wyvern]

It should really do max damage within the visual blue circle, like that should be the epicenter

[cloud sequoia]

IF you are aiming more than that the "casting area" floats in the air

im disappointed the staff doesnt work like conflag in VT2

[manic needle]

Whats annoying is when the first shot on LMB attack suppresses enemy scabs BEFORE the first hit, and they end up just ducking your attack effortlessly

Thank you Fatshark very cool

[faint heron]

it does insta kill the assassinate mission bosses though

[sturdy meadow]

oh? nice, i haven't had a chance ot try it

[manic needle]

Crazy, they turned the Shade class into a blessing

[austere estuary]

okay just messing around with tha 1% version

and it's actually better than I expected

but I totally misunderstood bout chained attacks

thought it would be on lights too

All because I didn't read

[cyan notch]

yes u need to hit more than 2 heavies

[austere estuary]

actually useful though, the explosion is a sphere

as far as I can see at least

[cloud sequoia]

but the range is crippling

[austere estuary]

eh

[cloud sequoia]

in VT2 you can aim that sphere 40 meters away no limit

[steel egret]

Trauma could use a rework, in general it feels like it makes a huge peril build up for normal and max channeled attacks.

[cyan notch]

here u have to aim at the sky and thatll only get you 15m

[austere estuary]

it's pretty long enough outside of really long ass corridors, I'd like longer range on it but I don't feel it as much as say using surge or purgatus

[cloud sequoia]

25

[cyan notch]

yes i was just pulling a random number out

[austere estuary]

The peril buildup being so high I also don't really mind, but I would like the epicentre a touch larger

[cloud sequoia]

explode poxburst or dog 40 meters away is a good thing

[steel egret]

I wouldnt mind if epicenter was larger.

[austere estuary]

but tbh

once we get to 100% bars

[cyan notch]

range and aiming are the worst offenders in my book

[austere estuary]

1s charge time for full charge

maybe if they also improve warp flurry

[cloud sequoia]

sad no the trauma staff buff because people rarely use it

[austere estuary]

I use it probably second most

purgatus most atm because I love seeing warp charges fly up

[cloud sequoia]

full charge can stagger crusher

[steel egret]

Maybe if they were to not make warp flurry same blessing on different working staffs.

[austere estuary]

actually even minimum charge knocks crusher on its ass

[cloud sequoia]

need to be on epic center tho

[austere estuary]

yeah

[steel egret]

Longer windows could probably help enough

[austere estuary]

well, 'need to hit' is a fair requirement

also if surge worked properly on trauma it could be very silly fun at walls and other boxed in areas

three big fwoompfs

pls fatshark

[steel egret]

Isnt damage outside of epicenter very low?

[austere estuary]

it is but epicentre is surprisingly large

[steel egret]

Like 30 or something

[clear heath]

isn't the damage very low anyways?

[steel egret]

Well

[austere estuary]

damage is fine

stagger is outrageously high

I think trauma is one of those things where getting full bars is a bigger deal

especially clear for charge time, but also explosion range

[steel egret]

On epicenter its alright and on normal it is as expected.

[austere estuary]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tread very cautiously with any buffs to trauma

just due to how the nature of plonking a circle of death pretty much where you like is a bit different, wouldn't take a huge amount to make it overshadow other things

atm I think it's a bit undertuned

[steel egret]

I would probably use it if it had little something more.

Less peril cost, larger epicenter either

[austere estuary]

Transfer peril being different on it would be a good thing

not sure how though

maybe like 'kill x enemies in a blast' to trigger or whatever

[steel egret]

I can think of blessing but it might be too op

[clear heath]

Make hits on the center count as weakspot? idk

[austere estuary]

man, brain burst hit icon being orange messed me up

forgot the auto proc was on

thought I'd somehow headshot with trauma

spent ages trying to replicate it in psky

psyk*

[steel egret]

"X enemies crit/hit/killed reduce peril X sum, maximum of X"

[clear heath]

This is why i turn off flayer while testing

shit only activates when you don't want it

[austere estuary]

be nice if we could just toggle all feats off in psyk

so to not need rejigging before and after testing

[clear heath]

You can turn off a feat with right click

[austere estuary]

ohhh

[steel egret]

Or if we could test anything at testing simulation.

[austere estuary]

that's nice

still, one big switch

would be more convenient

[steel egret]

Anything as in testing weapon you can pluck stuff on

[summer prairie]

Unstable power on a FS is good at high tier btw since it applies not only to your sword but to BB and staff. At >97% peril your BB would do +20% damage, which probably lets you hit some breakpoints with warp charges/lacerations

[clear heath]

Honestly the only big change to psykanium i'm really wishing for is having enemies attack us, so i can test blocking and enemy damage

Wait unstable power stacks up the same way as warp nexus?

[summer prairie]

Yes

[clear heath]

wow i thought it was literally just a 5% max

[summer prairie]

at 30%, 50% and then twice at 97%

[austere estuary]

also was just messing about with that instakill dagger bless now, and seeing "4000" pop up and instagib a mutie is satisfying

[clear heath]

Thought it'd be like the peril equivalent of All or Nothing

[austere estuary]

I really want one with the t4 version

[austere estuary]

sad thing - I passed on a t4 of that from melk recently

because at face value it looks trash

atm with trauma I'm using all or nothing on an axe though

[clear heath]

enjoy your 5% more damage on brain burst

[austere estuary]

It's nice to have passive peril degen while still killing

and then boosted splosions

and it seems to help purgatus burn damage

need to test more though

[cloud sequoia]

they fixed sienna problem

[austere estuary]

got annoyed after repeatedly critting when I didn't want to

then waiting out the dot

[clear heath]

it should help burn damage

since burns do get buffed by blessings

burn ticks giving me headtaker stacks and scaling with them is funny

[austere estuary]

wait wait wait

they can give headtaker stacks?

[clear heath]

as long as the weapon with the blessing is out, it will gain stacks on them

the stacks stay in effect even when you switch back

[austere estuary]

waaait

burn ult

even at no charges

should be gross with that

on a horde I mean

[clear heath]

well, headtaker isn't that hard to build up anyways, but yeah it should work

people usually prefer slaughterer just cause the numbers are so much higher, but those stacks require kills

[austere estuary]

yeah, and also I do have this

shame about the stats

[clear heath]

You can get nutty bb damage if you stack up slaughterer, but realistically only like 1 or 2 cause the stacks will fall off in a short time

[austere estuary]

you got me looking around now for all the on hit stuff

the terminology actually meaning something is interesting

chain attack, chain heavy, on kill, on hit, on repeated hit

these blessing combos got me dreaming of homerunning hordes, if only it worked that way

[clear heath]

https://streamable.com/9xgw9l

look at how much more it does

I wonder what useful BB breakpoints you can hit with blessing abuse

[austere estuary]

this is knocking over reapers

maulers get slapped to the floor by left clicks

not maybe super practical but pretty funny

[clear heath]

lmao

hidden hammer

[austere estuary]

sadge, can't proc the blessing of "hit at least 3 enemies with an attack" with flame ult

[robust sierra]

I know this is a dumb question but I'd like to learn about the numbers, cause I have yet to really pay attention to them; which force sword would be more ideal to use?

[austere estuary]

FS does well out of basically everything except warp res which matters a bit less

finesse is a big multiplier for FS, up to 2.3x damage on weakspot/crit at 80%

and first target is another chunk

First target a big deal for force charged attacks iirc

generally I look for damage/finesse/first target, then mobility and warp res as the least important

[robust sierra]

so would the 160 one be better?

[austere estuary]

I mean it also just has 17 more stats overall

[robust sierra]

I am still obviously leveling so it doesnt matter too much

[austere estuary]

so I'd say so

[robust sierra]

ok thanks

also do staffs quell faster than if I just quell with my hands for BB?

[cyan notch]

yes

[austere estuary]

much faster

[robust sierra]

good to know

[austere estuary]

quell speed stat is big

[cyan notch]

cuz they have a quell speed modifier

[austere estuary]

and is stronger per point later in the bar

[robust sierra]

so after one or two BB quell with staff

right

[austere estuary]

80% on quell speed on staff is 66.67% speed

100% will be 100%

when we get it

[cyan notch]

you can quell with hands to 97% if you want to continue bbing

[austere estuary]

^

not worth swapping if chaining bb

[robust sierra]

oh the bb does it faster?

[austere estuary]

no

but wepswap quell wepswap when it's just 3% you're quelling

is slower

[summer prairie]

Thunderous (brittleness on hit) works with Purg dots

[robust sierra]

oh ok

at higher % it's ideal to swap

[cyan notch]

you only need to quell 3% from 100% to use bb again so no point swapping if youre continuing to use bb

[austere estuary]

re FS finesse, one hits for 189, the other hits for 152 on reaper head

perk + finesse pretty much only diff

if we also have lower first target, the difference is bigger

146, and that's all three also having a good damage roll at least

warp res being low can be very desirable on force sword too, since quick swapping weapon to rapidly warp charge means if you had 0% warp res, you could go 0-90 peril in a couple of seconds

which is faster than chain bb or trauma even

[fluid epoch]

at melk

[steel egret]

I would like blazing spirit maxed.. for experiments.

If its +3 max 12 as I remember.

[maiden saffron]

Try making a cool looking psyker
All the fashion is ass

[cloud herald]

https://youtu.be/oVUBrS6gOD8

psyker true duo if anyone's interested

I have no idea wtf I'm doing for the record

[clear heath]

nice

[summer prairie]

Here's confirmation that warp nexus/unstable power stack thresholds are wrong and they only stack 4 times (and the descriptions are a mess in general) https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-weapon-blessings-that-stack-based-on-peril-use-wrong-threshold-values/72325

[clear heath]

incredible

Wonder what they'll change the thresholds to if they fix it

[summer prairie]

The default for critical is 80% and extreme 97%. It is possible they changed critical from 80 to 97 because critical is actually to determine whether you blow up when using a staff

Extreme should probably just be lowered to 80, not sure if extreme threshold is used for anything else

Doesn't critical sound higher than extreme anyway

[clear heath]

The thresholds for the blessing are used for other things? I was expecting them to be coded separately

[summer prairie]

They are all defined along with some other warp charge/venting related values

[clear heath]

Hmm, do you think it's likely for them to add the 5th stack somewhere?

[summer prairie]

I think the game may also use the thresholds for the peril visual effects

[clear heath]

well, below 30% is when quell slows down, and 50% has a sound effect for passing it, so i assume that's what those were meant for

[clear heath]

oh maybe peril blocking? it does seem to stop working above 80%

[summer prairie]

No that's defined in the blocking function, it's >90%

[clear heath]

imagine fatshark just removes the stack at 97%

3 stacks only

[cyan notch]

why do you say its 5 times stack

[summer prairie]

warp nexus says 5 stacks, no?

[cyan notch]

yea but this is unstable peril right

[summer prairie]

well it's for both, testing was with unstable power because testing crit stacks reliably takes a lot of... time

they both use the same function

[cyan notch]

it seems like its 3% per stack and the 9% threshold is the same as 12% threshold

your damage is 3% 6% 6% 12%

[summer prairie]

the post has the thresholds from the lua code

[cyan notch]

yea but even lowering the 97 to say 80 or whatever that would just fix the 9% value

so theres no missing 5th stack

[summer prairie]

wait does warp nexus actually say 4 stacks

might have confused it with flurry

[clear heath]

warp nexus says 5 i'm pretty sure

[wild pilot]

Its 5

[summer prairie]

ok, because a guide I had open says 4

but maybe the author looked at the code

[summer prairie]

the whole "max of" doesn't make sense either

[wild pilot]

Oh yeah, dont get me started on the wording

[clear heath]

yeah this description actually makes no sense

[static mantle]

I'm having a problem right now where using brain burst is costing double. It'll take like 20 peril, and then just a second later it'll add another 20. Has anybody else experienced this problem?

[clear heath]

I don't think "Up to" and "Max" mean what fatshark thinks it does

[wild pilot]

Warp Nexxus can be interpreted as "stacks 5 times max 3%" or "3% over 5 times"

[summer prairie]

Winloc: charging takes ~20 and then it adds 25 when you finish it

[wild pilot]

Its wonky

[steel egret]

I would love to hear what they contribute this error to

[cyan notch]

attribute

[steel egret]

Yes

[summer prairie]

Which error, the thresholds?

[steel egret]

Wording in most blessings.

[clear heath]

That's how much it's supposed to cost. The normal cost for the brain burst is 45% peril total

although it costs like 10% more if you right click for whatever reason

[static mantle]

I'm losing my mind

[cyan notch]

got a clip?

[wild pilot]

Such is the life of tapping into the warp

[static mantle]

I've played like 60 hours of this character. This is not new information to me lol

My bad

[steel egret]

Pace yourself sibling

[wild pilot]

Psyker is the most immersive class, where you slowly but surely will go insane

[static mantle]

^true

[hard zinc]

No , you cant get executed by your allies if they loose trust in you

[wild pilot]

Shame

[steel egret]

I mean we are all ex cons

[hard zinc]

Neither open a portal for a daemon to rip off your bad teammates if they are deserving it

[steel egret]

Thats what the deep story says.

There was temporarily a bug that allowed you to off teammates, blessing for some melee weapons.

[hard zinc]

The deep story suck ass and only impeed possible things , cant wait to see a dlc just jump over that

[steel egret]

Pretty sure Ive had zealot one shot me during it.

It was the.. when you hit multiple enemies you will instantly kill one man-sized enemy, not 1:1 that wording.

And blessing could be inherited to ranged so ogryn could blow you up or shoot with stubber

[rocky cedar]

I just consecrated a 17% toughness curio to yellow and it rolled 5% toughness on the new perk

That's literally all my luck for 2023 used up right there

[deft fiber]

You better be prepared then.

[clear heath]

wtf

give

[rocky cedar]

Other 2 perks are block efficiency and stam regen, none rerolled yet

Tempted to reroll block to sprint efficiency so I can zoom around even more with my beloved duelling sword

But now I'm out of plasteel again

[summer prairie]

sprint efficiency doesn't do much on a DS since you can chain heavies+slide to maintain stamina

[rocky cedar]

Wait why chain heavies

[summer prairie]

heavy+slide, edited

[rocky cedar]

Ok but why heavy while sliding?

[summer prairie]

You maintain full sprinting speed without draining stamina

[rocky cedar]

Oh

Does that work well on all duelling swords? I use MK IV

[summer prairie]

Probably

[rocky cedar]

Actually on the topic of duelling swords what perks do people go for on the IV?

Any good break points to know about?

[summer prairie]

Hard to hit any horde breakpoints without rampage or perfect rolls

[cyan notch]

you dont need to use heavy

you can just use light + slide

or just spam slide

[rocky cedar]

Spam slide feels a bit slower than straight sprinting to me

Though I do still spam slide a lot

[cyan notch]

i dont think its slower

even if its slower you can maintain that for much longer than sprinting

[deft fiber]

About dueling swords tho.

[steel egret]

I think its merit is mainly in damage reduction, thats all I see on it.

[cyan notch]

get shred

[cyan notch]

you do it to move fast from one point to another without nuking your stamina

[rocky cedar]

I do have a 3% shred currently on my best stat MK IV which is nice

[cyan notch]

on top of being evasive

[summer prairie]

I did some speed testing and chaining heavies+slide is definitely a bit faster than just sliding

even after the nerf

[dawn orchid]

You can get kicked, so functionally similar

[finite narwhal]

Sooo, for getting the Malleus Monstrorum penance I need to do 90% of the damage with my BB first, then everyone can join in and kill it? My english is failing me 😄

[dawn orchid]

90% of the monsters total health taken by your bb, it doesn't need to be all at once.

[finite narwhal]

Great, thanks.

[dawn orchid]

Other people can do some damage provided you get at least that much.

[mighty widget]

what i should reroll ?

[deft fiber]

Staff

[summer prairie]

very hard to say, probably nothing without further testing

the left click breakpoints are easy enough but the trauma AoE is not

[dawn orchid]

Reroll to a staff that isn't doodoo

That's not a joke

This is legitimate advice

[deft fiber]

Crit chance anyway should be rerolled.

[quaint drum]

TIL brainbursts count as headshots

Obvious in hindsight

[clear heath]

I'm guessing you found that out when trying to get the headshot kill penance

[warped perch]

I’m back in the safety of psyker chat thank God

Zealots talking about furries

👀

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[dawn orchid]

Vet chat is even worse

Just constant shitposting

Almost entirely offtopic

[cursive pecan]

Just go in there and say “Is that Heresy, Soldier!”

Fraggin zealots

[warped perch]

A psyker who accuses someone of heresy is gonna get a boltgun to the head

[mighty pike]

Psyker chat is the same 3 topics endlessly looped

[static mantle]

What melee weapons do y'all like to run?

[clear heath]

force sword

[mighty pike]

There's one of the 3

Combat axe is very useful. Force sword is good with deflector but I don't think I'd run it without that

[steel egret]

You mean "is this good" "gun psyker" "why x doesnt work but still does this"

[mighty pike]

If I add "health or toughness curios", "which staff should we use" and "what's the dump stat on voidstrike" we have enough for each side of a d6

[steel egret]

Could just read pins

[mighty pike]

It's more lore accurate to fight every argument until the fall of mankind

[static mantle]

What's the third?

[patent ledge]

praise be the emperor, after weeks of no deflector swords, the shop finally gave me one!

[near wyvern]

Psyker chat topics

• are these good stats for my surge/purge/void

• trauma staff and how bad it is

• force sword stats and deflection

• is duelling sword any good

• is combat knife viable

• why do you use Mk V axe

• should I run toughness or health curios

• gun psyker, how it works but is suboptimal

• what is the dump stat for X weapon, with the follow up why cause no neuron activation

[mighty pike]

Don't forget the dump stat questions

[near wyvern]

Right, lemme edit

[oblique hemlock]

So, why do you use the Mk V axe?

[craggy willow]

Jeez, we need one of those pinned for Zealot chat. You guys seem great. Can't wait to start capping a Psyker so I can hang out here instead.

[near wyvern]

At least our chat is related mostly to the game 🤷

[mighty pike]

You're allowed to stay here even if you're a blank if you don't do anything that defies the Lex

[static mantle]

Real quick, which variant of duelling sword do folks usually like to run?

[deft fiber]

By the way guys should i run toughness or health?

[craggy willow]

That is not something I'll be taking for granted, believe me.

[mighty pike]

Prior to this I'd like to ask what the difference is between the two, actually. Is it a moveset thing

[patent ledge]

Yes

[mighty pike]

Have you tried turning it on and off again

[static mantle]

To my knowledge, it is

[near wyvern]

Mk II or Mk IV

Both have cleave, other one is better suited at cleaving horde while the other will have easier time dealing with a single mauler / scab rager

Both will do a mutie even from behind

[deft fiber]

Sure, didn't work. Even have to restart my PC.

[mighty pike]

"Limbsplitter or headhunter on my combat axe"

[oblique hemlock]

Neither

Run a grey

[near wyvern]

There are three.

Mk II and Mk IV have cleave, Mk V has extra defence stat instead of cleave.

The defence stat gives more dodge distance wich is additive with the mobility stat. It also gives you sprint efficient allowing you to sprint faster for longer. However, it also rolls for dodge counts which overlaps with your mobility roll (you don't get mobility + defence count dodges but the one that has most of it)

Between Mk II and IV, other one has 3 slash light chain and 2 stab heavies, the other has a 4 slash light chain with 1 stab and 1 overhead heavy.

The one with 2 stabs deals more (single target) damage with the heavies (if I recall this is Mk II), especially to flak.

Mk V has a different light chain, 2 slash into 1 overhead and the heavy attack chain is 2 overhead strikes.

That would be 5 aquillas pls.

[mighty pike]

I'm going to save this

I have no Aquilas but I can offer you a peril of the warp

[near wyvern]

I'll take that and explode out of joy

[orchid nest]

MK V is great with something like purg because of the high damage profile on its heavies and you aren't as concerned about its horde clear. so it can also depend on staff choice for sure

[mighty pike]

I wonder if it's only me that uses these variants and doesn't notice they're not the same thing

[near wyvern]

It's easy to miss especially in the early levels because the stat bonuses are so low.

The only thing one might notice is that the moveset is slightly different.

The difference in stats becomes more apparent at higher levels when you start to get good rolls on them.

[frail berry]

What stat priority should I be looking for on dueling sword?

[near wyvern]

Depends what you want to do with it

[mighty pike]

Does this one count as a "what is the dump stat for x" question or different?

[near wyvern]

It does count

[frail berry]

Ya pretty much

[near wyvern]

@frail berry

As I said it depends what you want to do with it.

I run mine with Purgatus as a mobility stick, so I am looking at Mk II or Mk IV with the following stat priority:

1. Mobility
2. Damage
3. Finesse
4. Penetration
5. Cleave targets
6. Cleave damage

And for perks, +maniac and +flak

Blessings, rampage and shred

[mighty pike]

Flak seems like a useful perk for any weapon so far

[near wyvern]

You could also go with Mk V with Purgatus, I just like to be able to cleave a bit even with melee

[near wyvern]

Well yes, half the enemies are wearing flak

[deft fiber]

Flak covers just a lot of mobs.

[fossil lagoon]

Psyker chat: high IQ, mature discussion, hardest class fatshark hates you, damnation clearers

Zealot chat: anime profile pics, furry gifs, cliquey backpatting, hardstuck malice

[mighty pike]

I would rather the people in malice remain there than escape into Heresy

[round jay]

accurate

[deft fiber]

Zealot chat usually knife build vs actually useful staff.

[near wyvern]

Average Malice Veteran on Damnation:

[crimson ravine]

Psyker sucks 4everrrrr obese megalodon hates usss

[near wyvern]

Obese megalodon? Don't over exaggerate. More like thicc shrimp.

[wet jacinth]

How much copium have ye consumed today?

Hides cargo container stash of copium

[halcyon creek]

Ogryn chat?
< ogryn main

[crimson ravine]

None yet but just 10 more levels on this shittier version of all the other classes and I be done.

[near wyvern]

Just looked over to the zealot channel and our force sword discussion has been starting to leak there as well 🙈

[deft fiber]

Spreading warp.

[wet jacinth]

Hidden Ogryn Mains. Which weapon is your favorite Bonk Stick?

[deft fiber]

Thunder Hammer.

[halcyon creek]

I do like Paul. Not for the power, but for the no horni vertical bonk

[valid frigate]

Can you gain warp charge with anything aside from brain pop?

[halcyon creek]

That being said, I gotta admit that Psyker is last in line for my alts

[wet jacinth]

Hot Bonk Harder

Psyker is actually my second class to 30 after Vet

[deft fiber]

Sure. There are few feats that give you charges.

[wet jacinth]

Then again my psyker sat at lvl20 for a good minute while I played the other classes

[halcyon creek]

Gotta try everything once and see what vibes

bad_dragon.gif

[mighty pike]

Congratulations. Almost there

[craggy willow]

Not much to talk about when you main the most busted class on launch, apparently. I think I'll be maining Psyker herein on the merits of their players' infinitely more stable personalities alone. The irony of that is also just pretty funny.

[mighty pike]

You haven't been exposed to the warp enough yet

Somehow currently we are maintaining civility

[craggy willow]

On the contrary:

I think Zealots are the ones that need a visiting from a Sister of Silence.

[wet jacinth]

Ironic considering they're called shouties

[long wharf]

thing is, so much is broken with the psyker which compels us to test mechanics ourselves

giving us a far better understanding of the game than people that don't

[craggy willow]

Anyway, knives are a selfish, overtuned gimmick. I can't wait to cap my Veteran so I can roll a Sibling and start actually blowing shit up.

[wet jacinth]

A higher level of cope

[mighty pike]

The Warp is stirring

[wet jacinth]

A different playstyle

[long wharf]

well, I don't know about "cope"

[mighty pike]

I can feel it

[long wharf]

"tolerance", maybe

it's infuriating as hell, though

feeling the need to double check everything FartShart says and does

[wet jacinth]

Cope but using a better taken word

I also hate how I've grown used to using purgatus

[fossil lagoon]

Siblings ..... fatshark ..... hates us

[orchid nest]

speaking of that, from earlier here.. #psyker-class message

[mighty pike]

We are truly an oppressed class

[wet jacinth]

I would rather say it's a class that has to be balanced right to lore

[long wharf]

I can only sit here and sigh

[wet jacinth]

But lore is always too strong

[long wharf]

what a hot dumpster fire this game's code is

[wet jacinth]

Hell

And I love it

[mighty pike]

I forgot the final "psyker chat topic": "we suck don't we"

[wet jacinth]

chugs copium

[orchid nest]

Ah yes, the two thresholds of 97 and 97 5Head

[long wharf]

everything from the localization to mechanics is so clearly half-assed and haphazardly slapped together

[craggy willow]

Oh yeah, it's real somber in here. I like it better already. Thanks for the hospitality. Time to lurk.

[wet jacinth]

Imean it's once in a blue moon you come across good psykers that cope hard enough to make em valuable

[long wharf]

the psyker in particular

[mighty pike]

The Warp is becoming unstable

[mighty pike]

I don't even know what cope means anymore

[light quail]

psyker is a class

it feels less like talents build off your kit and more like they patch up holes in it

[mighty pike]

I am coping well.with the difficulties of our class

[light quail]

i just said kark it and went recon lasgun psyker

[mighty pike]

I would even say the other way around. We're good because of our weapons, despite the setbacks of our talents

[wet jacinth]

:/ all I hear about psyker is "Cope" but I also see too many pub psykers just get folded to smalls/mixed hordes

[long wharf]

it's easy to play psyker badly

[light quail]

fair
staffs are hella fun even if they're less efficient than a bolter

[long wharf]

like, really easy

[light quail]

personally I am trauma force gang

[mighty pike]

I agree. I will burn my enemies in warpfire no matter the price

[wet jacinth]

Psyker really be multi-tasking

[light quail]

too much sienna

[wet jacinth]

I was a flaming flail unchained user so

Ooga booga fire bonk

[long wharf]

that's one of the things I like about the psyker - we really have to pay attention to multiple things in order to play well

[light quail]

dagger unchained/pyromancer

i am mentally deluded

[wet jacinth]

I disliked dagger at first but grew to like it.

Then again. Also unchained

[light quail]

yeah you really need to be on your toes with psyker in malice+
everything crumples you super easily in those difficulties

that and brainblast really goes downhill

found a way to make it work though

3rd row, take the 15% buff against bb'd targets and the passive bb in 5th row

then a lasgun

[long wharf]

yes, lacerate makes targets take more damage from BB

that's really not "making it work", though

[light quail]

recon lasgun with it works nice

just lmb a special and the passive bb triggers, upping every shot by 15%
also works well against field bosses

[long wharf]

the funny thing is you've chosen the weakest per shot of the lasguns to do that with

[light quail]

only issue with lacerate is the dmg only applies to non-warp attacks

[light quail]

triggers way more often and faster than a semi auto las

good ol death by a thousand cuts

[long wharf]

yeah, lacerate should instead make enemies weaker to warp attacks

[warped perch]

LMAO

[long wharf]

I enjoy using the recon lasgun on my Vet

I have one with ramping crit on weakspot and infernus

[warped perch]

I’ve heard vet has the best melee in the game with power sword

Idk if that’s true

[long wharf]

it's true

[steel egret]

True

[warped perch]

It’s really that good? I haven’t used it

[light quail]

recon las is fun in general
would be fun if they could roll with warpfire on psyker instead of infernus

[long wharf]

if you have a unicorn of a power sword with the rare blessing that makes energized time continue on chained hits

[orchid nest]

ah yes, the devastating power sword nerf of.. it slightly matters what the blessings are now

[steel egret]

I own pretty good 380 recon gun

[light quail]

the cadian veteran with a powersword and a bolter

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[long wharf]

you know what FartShart should do, just to mess with vets? Never match up multiple vets with the Cadia background

[vale viper]

If it aint broke don't fix it! lol

[mighty pike]

I'd like the opposite. To never be matched with a Cadia veteran ever again

[light quail]

they gotta let the cadian have a reefer

dude is way too mad for his own good

[mighty pike]

The way he says "Cadia broke before the Guard did" makes it sound like he's trying to convince himself

[crimson ravine]

Id honestly prefer to never get stuck with the throaty gruttu voice zealot anymore

Dude sounds like he smokes the plague ogryns stack since he was 5

[light quail]

dollar store kratos?

whenever i hear that voice, im always expecting him to randomly blurt out "ZEUS!"

[light quail]

no effing way

[mighty pike]

Karking*

[light quail]

either way he nat 1'd the hel out of that poxburster

[craggy willow]

Leveling a Vet right meow. It's pretty gross. Both light and heavy chains are all cleaving horizontals. Light for damage, heavy for stagger. Cleanest head-collecting melee swings I've seen since I started the game.

[warped perch]

I'm leveling one too, I skipped over it cuz the damage seemed light but now I'll use it lol

[craggy willow]

Just aim for the head and don't sprint at elites with it unless it's charged.

Wait, if you're playing Vet, just never sprint at all. Trust.

[halcyon creek]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-yzma-brocolis-tape-tape-le-gif-22358115

[echo parrot]

Yeah, dont sprint. In fact, dont move at all. Movement is a DPS loss for vet. Dont even leave the spawn point. Just wait for them to come to you.

[warped perch]

[craggy willow]

Memes aside, Vets ||take double damage while sprinting.||

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-end-this-pain-pain-stop-emperor-gif-19089253

[warped perch]

Oh really?

[craggy willow]

Deadass my G.

[supple sable]

https://gyazo.com/f0de25598ae076c5dd8c17b25c32881e

what do ya fellers think

perk and blessing will be changed when possible, of course

[echo parrot]

I think you should get it if you dont have one better

Always buy a 380
Always buy a 360-379 if its an upgrade
Anything below 360 is fodder for blessing farm

[supple sable]

cheers for the tip

[warped perch]

Nodders

[crimson ravine]

@echo parrot elite veteran strat

Spawn camp reversal

[echo parrot]

Following said strat I was able to complete a damnation mission without firing a single shot

[crimson ravine]

Shit I done that too just private game with some friends and have the game "crash" and rejoin at the end

Obese megalodon cant stop these pro strats.

[vague grotto]

what perk should i change?

[long wharf]

crit damage

roll for crit chance

[light citrus]

The Shop Checker make us easy to check shop item

Game will dead in short time if fatshark no response in short time

[stray pond]

What should I reroll on this staff, and to what ideally

[deft fiber]

Leave as it is. Anyway you don't use it for dmg.

[stray pond]

It was an Emperor's Gift and seemed pretty okay, so I'm thinking of using it

Would crit chance not be better than the flak armor damage?

I'm clueless when it comes to staff rolls

[deft fiber]

Well, surge actually fine vs flak and other armor. It's unarmored enemies that surge can't handle well. If you really want replace ranged dmg vs groaners and poxwalkers.

Crit chance would be good, yes.

[dawn orchid]

Ranged damage to poxwalkers and groaners to crit chance

[stray pond]

Alright, I'll see if I can get lucky then

[dawn orchid]

It becomes free eventually so you can roll for 5%

[deft fiber]

Just roll 19 times and then play very interesting clicker game.

[stray pond]

And I immediately ran out after one reroll because I forgot I was low on Plasteel. Golden.

[dawn orchid]

It wasn't a useful stat anyway

[stray pond]

I wish the second blessing was anything other than Run 'n' Gun though

[safe fulcrum]

Rate my psyker drip

[stray pond]

Better than mine

[dawn orchid]

Yeah, you could make a case for that on purge but not on on the gooby bolts

[stray pond]

Can't wait until we can replace blessings

My Psyker drip is- Well I like messing with people when loading into Heresy+

[safe fulcrum]

Honestly at this point when I see someone in prison garb I know they're pretty hardcore

[stray pond]

I plan on changing out of the prison garb when I complete Malleonus Monstronum for that chest piece, but I'm too lazy to find a group so that'll take a while haha

[tender terrace]

they did respond and gave it a

[long wharf]

this tells you all you need to know https://steamcharts.com/app/1361210

remember a couple weeks ago when the voice channels here needed to be expanded because all 100 were almost always full or occupied?

[fossil lagoon]

Siblings .... patch notes are out

• Brain Burst will now kill a Pox Hound in 3 casts
• Brain Burst now generates 90% peril

It's ...... over !

[long wharf]

this past week, channels 26-50 had no more than 30 people total, and 51-75 never even had a +#

[pale crescent]

50% drop from peak holy crap

[long wharf]

yup, that's the direct result of the release being exactly what the beta was

[deft fiber]

Well, it's normal for any new release. Playerbase will decrease over time and usually settles after 2-3 months. For sure, quantity of the game is one of determination factors for this decrease speed.

[long wharf]

that shows all the people that played the beta deciding to stop playing

[long wharf]

quality, not quantity

[deft fiber]

Yeah, English hard.

[long wharf]

what's really telling is the lack of significant christmas bump

[deft fiber]

Well, idk what's going on behind the scene, but release the game, make few bug fixes and cash shop "improvements" and go for long holidays aren't the best plan it seems.

[long wharf]

release the game in the same state it was in during the pre-order open beta, no less

[deft fiber]

But anyway, gameplay and setting what is keep people playing. Other thins around that are just bad and lack of content.

[dawn orchid]

Please understand, obesefish is a small indie company and also it's snowing in sweden.

[long wharf]

lots of people said "just wait for release, this is just the beta", but I knew we were playing the full game when FartShart started making gameplay adjustments during the beta

[light citrus]

Multi tier RNG ruin the game

[deft fiber]

Are you really think that core problems of the game can be solved in like 1-2 weeks? Obviously not. And thing is that problem not in a balancing or tweaking stuff. Problem in systems that build around gameplay and in lack of content.

For sure FS broke a lot of promises.

But it FS.

Same was in VT2.

So believe them a total mistake

[long wharf]

you know, calling back to VT2's release isn't a comfort

because it's reasonable to expect a studio to learn from their mistakes

[light citrus]

Roadmap and critical fix is enough

[long wharf]

roadmaps are useless if you can't 1) create a reasonable schedule and 2) stick to it

[deft fiber]

Reasonable, but not in FS case

[supple skiff]

closest thing we had to a roadmap was "crafting rollout in december"

[long wharf]

yep, and we all know how that went

[deft fiber]

I'm just feel sorry for actual people who working hard and do it with passion. And how buisness ruin this passion.

[supple skiff]

they said that knowing they would realistically have 2 ish weeks

factoring in the holidays they knew they were taking

[light citrus]

the worse leadership ruin the game

[fossil lagoon]

They should be working harder

[supple skiff]

Aqshy must be so relieved they brough on another CM for darktide and they can absolve themselves of this mess and handle just the vermintide commnity lol

[deft fiber]

If crafting "slap more rng rolls like with perks" -- 2 weeks more than enough

[fossil lagoon]

Tencent should be chaining them to their desks to fix all the broken items, feats, blessings etc

[light citrus]

Tencent just look at money

you buy more, push them workhard

[supple skiff]

tencent usually goes hands off their western studios tho

[fossil lagoon]

Fatshark should be implementing mandatory crunch time to fix this mess in order to satisfy the customers (always right + king)

[light citrus]

As a Chinese, Tencent is a toxin bomb in china game market

[deft fiber]

Tencent vs Activision Blizzard vs EA vs Ubisoft
Choose your poison. All of them are the same.

[light citrus]

All same

[deft fiber]

Well, i still have a hope in some independent studios like Larian.

[lament topaz]

Trash vs shit.

[round jay]

Ubisoft for the brand, EA for the games

cries for battlefront2

[light citrus]

all eager for money

[round jay]

They’re business, the passion for the game can only be found in the dev teams which one must follow the rules of the marketing direction

[lament topaz]

It's all dictated by the market.

[deft fiber]

Yeah, money is a problem.

[lament topaz]

But then you get games like High On Life, Dinkum, fucking Overkill that are just absolute bangers.

[round jay]

The peoples making the game are not the ones who can take decision

[lament topaz]

Horizon Forbidden West has puzzles that the MC just fucking tells you how to do.

[round jay]

Same story here when they did the market before finishing the crafting system

[deft fiber]

Same with latest God of war i believe.

[lament topaz]

People talked mad shit about CyberPunk, but that was kind of our fault that it turned out as bad as it did.

[craggy willow]

Welcome to the glorious dystopian cyberpunk supercorp future gamers always wanted, just without any of the neat tech. Or anything neat, really.

[lament topaz]

"Oh yeah, let's send the over-worked and possibly under-paid dev team death threats to make them release it early." - Some fucking neckbeard.

[deft fiber]

Well, no. PR for CP was totally missleading. And it's them who blow the hype through the roof and set expectations.

[dawn orchid]

Cyberpunk had an absolute shitshow of a development and likely suffered from extremely poor management

[twilit flicker]

Shit like this is why I chose not to become a game dev. Work hard for low pay because of "passion", get shit on by the people you're trying to appeal to. It's almost like gamers think game devs want their games to fail and be homeless.

[lament topaz]

I'd like to think I'd be good at giving ideas for features in games, but Emperor knows it would probably be a shitload of work.

[twilit flicker]

It would.

[dawn orchid]

It's important to make a distinction between devs and the "suits" who control them

The suits (like EA) are perfectly happy to run shit into the ground to make quick money

[lament topaz]

Like, one of my ideas for DT was to make some kind of dual system for hosting matches.

P2P for same region, server for outside of the same region.

[light citrus]

Just like Hong Kong Solution integrator market, NO Technical man make decision and guide technical one design and work , it is a big joke

[lament topaz]

The logistics for that would be absolutely nuts to pull off, but I think that it would work half decently.

Because in theory, the P2P would help solve the lag, and the fact that there's a server based thing would mean you can double check game files against tampering.

So that eliminates the ability for people to just change a file and be OP.

[light citrus]

Just like warframe work

[lament topaz]

Is that really how it works?

[light citrus]

P2P is the solution for current server side issue

they dont want us cheat so server hold everything

[lament topaz]

Exactly.

Kind of like the Steam Cloud sync in a way.

[safe fulcrum]

3p1o group just had a lovely damnation run, we were the mind force (plus grub)

[wet jacinth]

[wet jacinth]

You mean op.
OgrynPsyker

[lament topaz]

Ork.

[wet jacinth]

Orks are a different kind of special place in my heart

[lament topaz]

Okay, yknow what automod.

Let me WAGH in peace.

[safe fulcrum]

Grub was worried he wouldnt fit in because he "wasn't a sparkhead". I told him he was perfect just the way he was

[lament topaz]

Wahg? Something like that, I dunno.

[deft fiber]

Lag depends on the routing mostly. So you either can have bad or good routing to the servers and to the host. It won't solve the problems really, just different people will suffer in different scenarios. Unfortunately there are no silver bullet for this(except throw more money for the servers in different locations). You basically can lag while playing with the neighbour from apartment behind the wall if you use p2p connection.

[lament topaz]

True, true, but the VT2 method worked with minimal lag.

[mighty vault]

Except when it didn’t

[lament topaz]

It then became a struggle because I wasn't good at the game.

I'd rather a "you're not good enough yet" struggle than a "your family is on the wifi" struggle.

[mighty vault]

That’s exactly the problem with p2p, 75% of the time some potato in Panama on 802.11g wi-fi is picked as the host

[deft fiber]

If they will actually invest money that they got from skins and game itself into the netcode and servers, it will be much better than p2p connection.

[light citrus]

Wifi 7 in coming

[deft fiber]

But i doubt it will happen.

[lament topaz]

But but but... but greedy corporation wants money.

[light citrus]

If business man said he is not greedy, will you trust?

[deft fiber]

Well, people were buying shitty cosmetics in VT, so it's not a problem. Mb they will understand that reinvestment is really good thing in most cases.

[lament topaz]

Not at all.

"People buy shitty cosmetics" is exactly what they want.

Minimal work-load, easy to hammer out etc etc.

[light citrus]

Fatshark can consider offload the cash shop to steam workshop, let public to work, they earn money

[mighty vault]

lol

That ain’t gonna happen

[lament topaz]

Or they hog it all and keep pushing cosmetics while making the game worse/not working on making it better cough cough Siege.

cough cough Ubisoft

[tender terrace]

why do you assume its a resource problem and not a competency problem? has FS ever done dedicated servers?

[violet thorn]

"Blame the suits" has always been a titanic cope

[tender terrace]

they've been writing code for p2p servers for a decade or something like that, suddenly thrown into creating dedicated servers, im sure they are different fundamentally

maybe they just big dum and need to get smart

[long wharf]

they are different - writing for a "every player is a client" model is significantly easier

[tender terrace]

so dedicated servers are much more difficult?

[deft fiber]

For the first release with dedicated servers it's too decent i would say. Neither they hired a people who actually understand something or just pay for external studio to make a netcode for them. If it's 2nd case, competence will be a problem, but it's really dumb decision in a long run.

[long wharf]

the opposite I said

[tender terrace]

and they just need time and use cases to iron out the problems?

[tender terrace]

no idea what you said thus the question

[tender terrace]

true, they could probably hire consultants to help them, turning it into a resource issue

[deft fiber]

Will see in a couple of months what will going on with stability of the game. Time will tell.

[long wharf]

in a couple months, if the full crafting system isn't released, you're going to see only the hardcore dedicated 5k players

[tender terrace]

stability is a hard test, too - cause like, the game hasn't crashed much for me at all in the last ~30 days, that could be considered stable... but i get a lot of weird issues with stutters etc

which, idk if its the game itself or servers in that case, some people suggesting the server fucks with a lot of that stuff cause my game seems to be running fine

[long wharf]

crashes to desktop are not due to server stuff, I'm pretty sure

[tender terrace]

my game hasn't crashed more than like 2-3 times in the last 30

[long wharf]

I've easily had 2~3 CTDs a week since the last patch

[deft fiber]

I'm crashing when loading into the mission. Pretty often, but other than that and few server errors, game runs fine. But we can't see a full picture since we have no data on it.

[tender terrace]

just does weird shit like stutters when i turn or weird shit with input buffering or whatever, buttons just dont work sometimes

[long wharf]

thankfully I load the game up pretty fast

I keep all my steam games on an NVMe drive

[tender terrace]

hit g key, grenade don't come out, hit sprint, doesn't spring, r, doesn't reload

etc

cause shit seems like its taking time to catch up with what is actually happening

[deft fiber]

Do you play in full screen or borderless window?

[craggy willow]

There are definitely some small server issues, at least. Client taking forever to pull up the current shop rotation, weapon and curio inventories loading just as slow or sometimes showing up completely empty until you reload, etc. Just had my 3rd hard crash in the past 2 weeks an hour or so ago too.

[tender terrace]

idk borderless prob

[deft fiber]

Try full screen with vsync(if you haven't global setting in your gpu settings)

[craggy willow]

Of course crashes are local issues, not network. Still, warrants being tracked.

[tender terrace]

what does that have to do with buttons not registering in the game

screens not tearing, game runs smooth at 70 fps, it just does weird shit

[deft fiber]

It's more related to stutters and such.
It has nothing to do with buttons, but who knows which spaghetti code they have.

[tender terrace]

someone smarter than me explained how its related to netcode and input buffering or whatever

inputs are dumb in this game tho, like why can't i just hold e and it register that i am trying to revive someone instead of having to deliberately hit E on the target

[deft fiber]

Well, synchronising data between server and client i guess, since you are in lobby with a bunch of people.

And not registering inputs since packet losses or whatever reason why server hanging on certain operations.

And for sure people on wifi will suffer the most, since wifi is a halfduplex connection which can either send or receive info at one moment.

[long wharf]

the biggest problem with wifi is that it's a shared medium connection, so not only are you running half-duplex, any other device on the same network is competing for bandwidth at the same time

I don't mind being wifi for mobile devices, but in my house, I run a hardline for every device I care about network performance for

[deft fiber]

That's reasonable for sure. Anyway, wifi bad for online game in 99% of cases.

Other than that you can't do anything if routing/netcode/server's hardware bad.

[teal kite]

I've given up choosing a hair and went with shaved head

[deft fiber]

Classic psyker.

[vast oyster]

I like ya cut G

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-cheer-home-alone-run-gif-13003253

[deft fiber]

Now show me the pants you wearing.

[mighty pike]

how did you get a close-up of your psyker

[teal kite]

When you add the head attachment, that screen

[teal kite]

I'm using the black armored pants

[deft fiber]

Good psyker.

[long wharf]

bold of you to put that head inside a toilet bowl

tell me you're into water sports without telling me you're into water sports

[teal kite]

It's for when the emperor is oh wait can't say that here

[long wharf]

oh I get it, your psyker cosplays as the dead god's toilet

[teal kite]

The green outfit that head piece comes with is cool except the pants so I changed em out to the black armored ones

Wish I could wear the bionic eye with this head piece

[tender terrace]

same, the nice black pants with the pattern?

[long wharf]

I'm not a fan of any of the psyker outfits in the money shop

[tender terrace]

the new staff is pretty good too

[long wharf]

I did buy a bunch of headwear, though

[teal kite]

I don't mind have a pattern they are like black greyish with a bit of armor

[round jay]

What new staff 🤔

[mighty pike]

fashionista

[teal kite]

I like how the new zealot basically has pants a pimp might wear

[tender terrace]

they're way too skinny on the male model

[long wharf]

a pimp or a 60's disco dancer

[teal kite]

My Psykers name is Historia

[tender terrace]

and the leather jacket on female vet is 100% the male model jacket

looks fucking awful

[long wharf]

so edgy with that facial tattoo

[mighty pike]

thanks. she's french

[long wharf]

I really wish they'd slim it up for the females

[long wharf]

my psyker is french as well, still didn't feel the need to tattoo her face

[teal kite]

Vet NGL has the worst cosmetics overall so far

Imo

Nothing goes together

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-meme-huh-gif-simpsons-meme-simpsons-gif-24537736

[long wharf]

all the people enjoying the WW2-esque outfit would strongly disagree

[tender terrace]

steel legion "worst cosmetic"

wut

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-funny-smirk-smile-gif-20308661

[teal kite]

Steel legion and catachan only good one

Everything else looks almost exactly the same or don't match anything

[tender terrace]

all i want, is the cop uniform ogryn fit

[north cradle]

The only Psyker penances I'm missing now are the team-killing ones

[tender terrace]

so i can buy the lepoard pants and pop my collar

[long wharf]

I don't think you can actually team-kill in Darktide

[north cradle]

Well, team-breaking

[tender terrace]

tell that to barrels

[long wharf]

that's true

[teal kite]

I've sent many a player hurling to their deaths xD

[long wharf]

beware of playing with @devout belfry when it comes to barrels

[north cradle]

The Heresy Monstrosity one and the Malice self-exploding one

[long wharf]

the monstrosity penance is surprisingly easy to do

get you an ogryn with a shield, have him tank a demonhost

done.

[north cradle]

Huh okay

[teal kite]

Takes a premade team tho

[north cradle]

And yeh I have a plan for the Malice self-destruct

[long wharf]

I highly recommend you don't try to chase penances in pugs

plenty of people in LFG channel wanting to do penances

just get a group together specifically for it

[teal kite]

V tru

[tender terrace]

anytime I’m playing an ammo class with red ammo and a white ammo teammate takes it by running through my char model 💯

[long wharf]

the best trick for penance chasing is to go into it knowing you aren't going to be completing missions

find a map with the right starting area(s) and farm that

[teal kite]

Lmao like playing with 3 preachers who keep taking ammo when you're vet

[mighty pike]

if you use a camo on your force sword it gets longer by six inches

[teal kite]

So they can top off that shotgun so they can keep using it on poxwalkers

[long wharf]

that's just a visual trick due to the camo, trust me

[tender terrace]

shame this don’t work IRL

[teal kite]

I wish force sword was stronger when not charged lmao but I get it, balancing

Charged up it's real nasty on single targets