psyker-class

[azure ice]

Flak dmg better than carapace?

[covert valve]

yeah thats why i was buffing my flak/mainac dmg to kill those in less special attacks

[violet yoke]

o yea force sowrd is pure poop for anything if ur not useing the special

[summer prairie]

FS light 1/2 needs around 76% average damage/first target/finesse to two-shot a poxwalker with no additional help

and with +infested your heavy will one-shot

[clear heath]

there is literally 1 enemy in the game that's completely carapace

[covert valve]

both headshot hits?

[clear heath]

and like over half the enemies have flak armor

[summer prairie]

defleshed yes

[violet yoke]

flak is half the enemies in game and the only 2 assassinations bosses currently is a good call on any melee wep

[exotic compass]

So when you explode, you do like no damage to large beast?

I tried that penance in malice difficulty

[violet yoke]

shot gunners and naked ragers are your best bet on that one

[fast swan]

peril explosion does slightly less damage than brain burst

[exotic compass]

There are penance requires you to damage mini boss. I did around 90 damage on that plague ogryn. Thought my peril explosion can kill that

Apparently, it does zero damage

90 percent of damage

I isolated that abomination

[covert valve]

wait.. how do you get a head shot with the light attack 2 on the FS it swings from down to up?

[summer prairie]

defleshed: no idea, but if you can't do that it's very difficult to two-shot a poxwalker with just light 1/2

you need close to perfect rolls and two perks or a blessing

or warp charges

[fast swan]

worth upgradin?

[exotic compass]

Psyker definitely got the hardest penance compare to other classes

Need to grind for a decent force sword

[fast swan]

what does mobility do on force sword/any melee weapon?

[magic burrow]

sprint speed, dodge distance, iirc

[fast swan]

so really important

[ebon jolt]

Yes. I would recommend always rolling to crit % on the Purg staff. The damage with Purg staff (or flamethrower) is split between the flame damage, which is the weapon damage, and the damage over time effect (burn or soulburn).

At higher stacks, the DoT damage outputs higher DPS than the weapon damage. Crit is helpful because it lets you ramp DoT stacks faster. Where as most damage boosting perks only affect the weapon damage itself, which isn’t that high.

Aidditionally, the more you can increase soulburn stacks, and thus damage, the more likely it is that the enemy will be killed by soulburn which increases the chances you get a warp charge when using Ascendant Blaze.

[covert valve]

it wasnt too bad to do them but i feel like they are made to sabatage the team or teamates sit there and do nothing (ie 90% BB on monster, blowing yourself up)

[ebon jolt]

What’s your current staff look like? I’d say 78-80% damage is pretty important on void staff. But if your current one has base stats of 350 or below this would probably be a decent upgrade.

[fast swan]

tryin to get a damnnation ready void staff

[covert valve]

hmm even if i have soul blazed applied but my teammates kill the enemy I still get the warp charge?

[exotic compass]

I happened to receive a 506 rating combat knife from benevolent emperor

Just feels like it is hard to clear trashes

[pseudo kestrel]

Why do people think Brain Burst is good in Damnation? It's so, so bad lol

[summer prairie]

You killing it via other means also counts as long as it has a soulblaze dot

[exotic compass]

Yeah, I always run premade if I want to do penance

[shadow wigeon]

Are you sure? I thought otherwise...

[ebon jolt]

Do note that if the enemy is killed by someone else’s soulblaze you can get a stack. So if you’re playing with another Purg Psyker it can be nice using AB even if you yourself are not using a Purg staff.

[exotic compass]

Stats are good though

[fresh reef]

bruh

literally every one of those mobs has a gun

[fast swan]

america

[ebon jolt]

This is why slaughter is such a good blessing on FS. Don’t have to care as much about breakpoints. Just get more slaughter stacks.

[shadow wigeon]

Did not know that, that's interesting. Kinda niche - run AB w/o purg?

[covert valve]

just test it again to make sure and yes I can get stacks without getting the killing blow of the 1 dmg or else id never get stacks

[scarlet geyser]

meh?

[sinful stream]

Are you using psychic communion that can mislead

[scarlet geyser]

Psykers, what curios are you running?

[covert valve]

yes made sure the 2 talents are turned off and kenetic flayer

[scarlet geyser]

hp/toughness/wound?

[sinful stream]

Well that great news

[fast swan]

all wounds

[ebon jolt]

It’s pretty nice with surge because you can use your ability to burn the horde down and then focus on the specials and elites. Usually get most stacks back from the horde dying to soulburn. If there is a Purg user you basically have max stacks at all times and you can rotate ability usage which is nice.

[covert valve]

still would be great to see it get buffed

[sinful stream]

I'd like the talents that apply soulblaze to increase the targets or the # of stacks. Because they are really fun talents (other than ascendant blaze that one is fine)

[high agate]

Can never die if you can get downed 12 times

Its just math

[ebon jolt]

Meh.

[ebon jolt]

I know some other people like the other soulblaze feats but I think they provide a lot less value than the other feats you can pick up on those tiers. I never use them but maybe that’s means I don’t understand their true value?

[exotic compass]

I like this class. A lot of DOT. Just like the Bard and Dancer class I played in other games

Guns in this game felt like very outdated

[ebon jolt]

Like the 25-2 soulblaze feat. I’d rather just have 2 extra max warp charges so that I can make use of them while I have them and my AB ability usage is more impactful. But to each their own! I’ve been using a gun with my Psyker for the past week so my advice is questionable 😂

[exotic compass]

1890s revolver, AK or FAL platform in a space opera setting

[ebon jolt]

The revolver and shotgun feel pretty good to use. The flamer is also a ton of fun. Wish we had access to the shotgun. The revolver isn’t usable at high peril so I’ve been sticking with the infantry autoguns.

[exotic compass]

I like Bolter, lasgun

I run revolver with zealot sometimes to pull aggro for specials

[ebon jolt]

The bolter is very effective from a balance perspective but I don’t think it feels good to use.

[exotic compass]

I tried recon las on psyker

The random brain burst perk does not have a good synergy. I’d stick with staff

[ebon jolt]

It’s probably the best option in that feat column. The cooldown is too long to make the DPS meaningful. It’s more helpful in maintaining warp charges.

[covert valve]

wait i tested this before the +flak dmg on the fire staff does effect the dot and i just tested it now. can you test it and see it doesnt effect the dot on your end???

[summer prairie]

definitely affects dots

[ebon jolt]

The mk7 recon lasgun does the most damage. So depending on which mk you tried I would recommend that one if you haven’t used it. The mk6 can be good with infernus & headhunter.

[covert valve]

exactly so would it be better to do straight up 25% dmg (effects dot and the direct dmg) over 5% crit?

[summer prairie]

if you already have warp nexus, it's questionable whether +5% crit is better than another +25% against an armor class

[long wharf]

I don't think this is true

I did a run with another psyker using soulblaze

and every horde, I'd kill the horde faster than their soulblaze, and they would not get warp charges that you'd expect if AB was procing

[covert valve]

exactly this i did some extensive testing when i got the staff a while back on this staff and i killed flak armor faster than with 5%

[long wharf]

you absolutely want that extra 5% crit

because that extra damage isn't applying to soulblaze

[summer prairie]

yes it is

[long wharf]

and purge isn't about killing things with its own damage

[covert valve]

damn this was very convincing it second guess all my previous testing i did but just test it all again and this isnt correct

[ebon jolt]

I did a run with another Purg psyker, sat around not doing anything during a horde outside coherency range and got 6 stacks.

[covert valve]

I just test it 4 times.... and when i got the staff a while back

[ebon jolt]

The infantry autoguns are also pretty good imo for people who haven’t given them a chance.

[summer prairie]

you can even switch to your melee and the soulblaze dot gets affected by the perks on it

[long wharf]

so you're saying soulblaze damage is affected by the damage rolls on the staff?

[summer prairie]

on the staff or whatever you are holding when it procs

[long wharf]

I know I've seen soulblaze affected by power ramp per hit weapons

didn't occur to me that it'd be affected by perks as well

[covert valve]

i was just testing 25% flak dmg vs no flak dmg on mauler and the dot does more dmg with flak

[long wharf]

how much more?

25% more?

[covert valve]

that amount 25% yeah my math isnt good but im guessing theres decimals and its only showing me whole numbers without it it was doing 2 damage and with it 3 damage

[shadow wigeon]

Just to confirm - yeah can get stacks when killing blow is melee. Hooray.

[covert valve]

you guys making me test all these damn things again haha

[shadow wigeon]

Well seems like half the things we test don't work the way they are written so it's worthwhile.

[covert valve]

2 left clicks applies 9 dmg ticks and without it the ticks are 7 dmg

[fast swan]

bro has a dev said anything recently? gotta know if new content or crafting is coming soon this week

[summer prairie]

reaper with full stacks goes from 197 to 236 with +20%

[ornate hamlet]

Haven't seen anything from the devs unless I missed something.

[orchid nest]

interesting. so unyielding is really nice on it for monstrosity dps

[ebon jolt]

I apologize for spreading misinformation then. The crit is still nice because it helps ramp damage to all targets vs selecting a single one but I can see how flak or unyielding damage would be quite nice to have.

Especially because it will just help ramp burn damage vs the weapon damage itself to increase changes of killing via burn instead of the flame. But I’m interested in using 25% u yielding now for monstrosities.

[jovial frigate]

you know what

[long wharf]

yeah, I have unyielding on my purge staff

[jovial frigate]

i'mma roll this purple later tonight, just got it on the shop

[long wharf]

I still maintain that extra 5% crit is more chance for double soulblaze stack application

and while for bosses you may want more damage per tick, that's only because you spend so much time trying to kill them that you'll notice it once you hit max stacks

[covert valve]

ok i just did the math hope someone can correct if wrong. 3 left clicks is 15 : 19 (which is 26% dmg increase) previously the 2 left clicks were 28% increase in dmg (7 : 9)

[jovial frigate]

also this chainsword kinda cute

[orchid nest]

with this info I can still see the crit roll being good but if I had a t4 nexus on the staff I would consider flak/unyielding if it allowed

[covert valve]

true true since there is a max stack with the staff. do we know if it stacks with other pskyers building on? or do they have their own bcuz their stats can be different

[summer prairie]

The other sources have their own higher stack limits

something like 31, don't recall offhand

[ebon jolt]

31 is what’s stated in the steam guide I refer to.

[summer prairie]

also worth noting that whenever you add a stack, you refresh the timer even if it's at max

[orchid nest]

@long wharf it sounds like though for what you want where you'd really want the unyielding roll is that force sword you want since you can then just swap to it

[summer prairie]

so you can just left click to keep the stacks going on a boss

[warped perch]

Omg I just learned about the animation cancelling trick

It’s amazing

[covert valve]

on the quell or swapping weapons?

[long wharf]

yeah, actually

[ebon jolt]

I like maniac on my FS though so I can one hit dreg ragers. That and weakspot damage is enough to OHKO. Not sure if maniac by itself is enough.

[long wharf]

apply all the soulblaze you can via purge, then swap to a blazing spirit bloodthirsty fsword and start going ham there as well

[orchid nest]

Yeah maniac is good. just I already know he wants a very specific sword so wasn't really commenting on in general

[shadow wigeon]

Just to confirm, yes +% to damage mob increases direct and DoT damage.

[long wharf]

yes it does

[ebon jolt]

Thanks for all of the help understanding underlying game mechanics that the game doesn’t explain at all!

[orchid nest]

I will say though that certain breakpoints that are very close on things like fs special aren't as important to me on purg because it's reasonable to assume I will roast them even just a little bit

[covert valve]

i wish mine was a bit better mine falls a bit short of 1 shotting them but if i crit I can with +25% manaic dregs

[austere estuary]

hrrrrrrrng

[covert valve]

yeah and other teammate dmg as well as boosted in buffs

[austere estuary]

the only staff I don't care about focused on, and not sure about carapace bonus on void as can't recall if it does any dmg vs them

[ebon jolt]

Yeah. Good point. Guess it doesn’t matter as much for rager on Purg because right click does so much stagger vs maniac I usually Cc them vs kill then with my FS.

Do miss out on the sweet fan the flames that’s on the flamer though. Love that blessing.

[orchid nest]

flak is pretty good for fs too. it lets you light swing special 1 hit armored ragers, heavy 1 special maulers on the non carapace. but even more important it's the unyielding version of monster dps for it since assassination boss is flak

[long wharf]

stats are good, but you definitely don't want Focused Channeling on void

[covert valve]

on crushers head shots full charge around 400-500 but body dmg like 200 dmg poo poo dmg

[austere estuary]

oh so actual damage then

not like purg

[covert valve]

yeah compared to purge its a god send

[ebon jolt]

I think I can light special scab ragers with 10% weakspot damage but it’s nice to know that helps one shot maulers. The boss is only flak under the shield right? I thought super shield was a separate damage type.

[orchid nest]

that is very possible yes. probably even with just max warp charges. yes under the shield, helps chunk them more between the phases

[ebon jolt]

Cool! Thanks for the tip man. Honestly flak % seems like the go to perk on most weapons.

[orchid nest]

oh wait sorry. I meant 1 shot bodyshot. but yeah, body shots should still work with warp charges too

I can only imagine how much you would destroy an assassination boss with a flak roll and bloodthirsty since it's always going to be so trivial to keep the bloodthirsty stacks going on him

[ebon jolt]

Someone tested bloodthirsty and it only works on elite kill, right?

[covert valve]

https://youtu.be/Asia7hAE2GE however this is /w flayer proc but still neat to see!

[ebon jolt]

You can also use crucian roulette cheese.

[orchid nest]

I think it works on any kill but you could ask @summer prairie I think he has one

[fast swan]

😔

[thorn sage]

I know this is one of ya's

[fast swan]

bloodthirsty is so fun looking why it gotta be so rare?

[thorn sage]

wtf is that Ui?

[summer prairie]

Any kill

[fresh reef]

armory chrome extension

[orchid nest]

don't see a t3 blessing on there that often these days

[steep bridge]

did they change purgatus vfx? Shit drops my FPS super hard now

[orchid nest]

not that I am aware of. although, that does sound like something they would do next after the surge one

[summer prairie]

I've seen a t4 blessing in the shop a few times after the prerelease nerf

[orchid nest]

interesting. didn't know that was possible still. I know I got a t4 deflector in the shop before launch

[ebon jolt]

I see a T4 blessing at melks once every 4 or 5 days or so. That’s what I usually spend my tokens on. Never seen one in the armory though.

Also have gotten them on emperors blessing weapons.

[warped perch]

Hitting the quell button as you do a secondary attack cancels the animation and lets you shoot secondary attacks quickly

With the voidstrike it’s awesome

[warped perch]

What is this interface

[austere estuary]

https://accounts.atoma.cloud/dashboard w/ extension to view your stores on the page

[thorn sage]

Is it official

?

[orchid nest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

[thorn sage]

Cool

[orchid nest]

just to get ahead of the question

[flint plover]

dreams do come true

[silent crane]

i dont think i have enough dockets on my psyker..

oh well

[flint plover]

Which would you pick?

[orchid nest]

+stamina will probably give you better peril blocking here than the block cost reduction going off what I saw people saying earlier

[flint plover]

hmm, gotcha. I'll swap and see if I notice a difference

[tender terrace]

hopefully next we can just buy from browser!??!

[sly charm]

wait... did like melk actually produce something good?

[fast swan]

no thats a heavy sword

[sly charm]

I mean I dont like dum stating defense but

dump*

ehn

its likely to get buffed

besides

wtfelse am i gonna do with melk points

[ebon jolt]

I like the mk9 heavy sword. Rampage is pretty good if you can also get deathblow on there.

[sly charm]

Besides thats like all the empra likes to give me. Purple heavyswords and orange tacti axes. All empra gifts

Like thats all I get

ive got like two shity ranged guns

ooof im in the wrong chat kek

my bad lol

[velvet stratus]

Move chat then

[orchid nest]

@flint plover #psyker-class message they were talking a lot about it around here. I can't find the formula atm but basically your max stam is also a function of how much peril you gain, it's divided by it at the end of the formula

[flint plover]

Thanks a ton

[sly charm]

https://tenor.com/view/okie-dokie-okie-ok-tábom-taqpariu-gif-15515470

[eager verge]

Just released the full Build Editor, Live now: https://darkmass.gg/builds - https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/102n1ih/darkmass_build_editor_full_release_redone_ui_and/

[fast swan]

thanks bestie, gonna add my worthless psyker build to it :)

[fast swan]

yo the force sword doesnt have the bloodthirsty blessing

the busted one that like 3 people have

[keen belfry]

i feel like this is not to bad...

[fast swan]

not great not terrible

[manic needle]

RIP Finesse

[keen belfry]

Finesse meh

i really just would like a surge staff...

[manic needle]

You dont use the Force Sword attacks and special to hit weak spots....?

[keen belfry]

i honestly swing it and hit were ever the hell it lands

[manic needle]

Still affects crit power even so. Honestly I would rather have Finesse than Warp Resist or even Mobility

But its still an alright FS

[austere estuary]

if it makes you feel better, charge speed is major on trauma

[keen belfry]

i dunno i like mobility so i can power crab walk dodge out of stuff

[manic needle]

Matters less with infinite dodges though

[austere estuary]

finesse on FS is way stronger than some weapons - gets like twice the benefit of some, a 2.3x odd multiplier

at max

[mossy bison]

fixed!

[cyan notch]

i dont think finesse affects fs special

[fast swan]

thanks bestie

[cyan notch]

i tested with 80% finesse vs 40% finesse on weak spot heavy special hit and there was only a difference of like 20 damage which might be just rounding even though they have same damage and first target stats

[crimson kiln]

JimmyNeutron or Pringle as my Psyker name?

[mild tartan]

lets FUCKING go.

[twin pond]

those suck lol

[mild tartan]

What do you mean bro? thats what you want to see as a psyker

[glossy pivot]

sarcasm?

[covert valve]

does this addon allow you to see the shop without logging on every hour?

[steady skiff]

hey hey quick question... what would be dump stat on voidstrike?

[orchid nest]

yeah

[long wharf]

the perfect surge staff for those of you that only spam the lightning

and the purge staff for those of you that want to feel like FartShart really loves you

[ornate hamlet]

oo

[orchid nest]

So something interesting since we were talking about soulblaze and weapon swapping increasing the damage depending on perks and stuff. It does incredible damage if you max stack something and switch to slaughterer and start killing trash. the stacks boost the soulblaze

[ornate hamlet]

i have the nomanus

[long wharf]

what max stacks?

[orchid nest]

the slaughterer stacks

[long wharf]

oh, yeah

[orchid nest]

the power increase on them boosts the soulblaze damage by an insane amount

[long wharf]

man, that's a lot of work to try to make soulblaze better

[keen belfry]

best Surge i have should i upgrade?

[long wharf]

meh

there are no "must have" blessings for surge

[orchid nest]

it's not something I would pursue on like a non purg build obviously but it's not like slaughterer/deflector is a bad combo anyhow. something to keep in mind for certain situations

[steady skiff]

what do you guys think?

[keen belfry]

i want to try that run and gun

[long wharf]

that's pretty close

run n gun doesn't work with staff secondaries

[orchid nest]

Like if a monstrosity comes and you already have max soulblaze stacks on it and you see some trash you'll do more damage to it by helping clearing the trash than continuing to purg it for example

[steady skiff]

ye but i guess i can change that one at a later time...

[keen belfry]

my void its alright

[long wharf]

transfer peril is a must have on void

[keen belfry]

transfer is pretty sweet

[long wharf]

any void with transfer peril is more usable than one that lacks it

[steady skiff]

ye once we can re-bless im gonna change it but overall...

[long wharf]

overall yours is really good

[steady skiff]

what would be THE dumpstat for void?

[long wharf]

basically quell speed, provided you have transfer peril

[steady skiff]

ok ye makes sense

[long wharf]

you can stand to not have capped blast radius, but I like having as much boom as possible

[keen belfry]

If ur shooting into waves with transfer u basicly are quelling the entire time

[long wharf]

it's not a lot of boom at base

[steady skiff]

im gonna keep it till i can re-bless

[long wharf]

I hope so, the modifiers are good

[steady skiff]

that got my overall max stat from 439 to 515 aswell so might have some better stuff later down the line

[orchid nest]

random other observation - soulblaze kills made while on a slaughterer fs seem to proc the stacks

which makes it pretty synergistic actually because you can swap to it and get stacks from the dot which also increases any existing dot damage

need to test more to make sure though, still on it

[long wharf]

yeah, if you get the kill on something you've soulblazed, AB procs

we've tested that thoroughly

[orchid nest]

No, the slaughterer procs

is what I'm saying

something dies to soulblaze -> you get a slaughterer stack -> every soulblaze you have does more damage @long wharf

[austere estuary]

definite keep, once bless replacements are out I'd replace run n gun with transfer peril

[steady skiff]

yep that was already planned but the base stats are more important if we ignore that we cant re-bless yet and i got a qorking psyker already so not hard pressed to change it yet...

[austere estuary]

here's a thought - crucian roulette gun emptied -> FS with t4 blazing soul + slaughterer and crit chance perk

given each crit is 4 stacks of blaze on sword t4

and your crucian roulette will pump your sword crit

[jade imp]

So, thinking about the lightning staff, what blessings should I be looking for?

[austere estuary]

could be a lot of fun with juiced sword and juiced flame

[orchid nest]

yeah haha

[mild tartan]

Lightning staff has like 5 blessings and most of them seem pretty meh, I think +crit based on peril and warp channeling would be best for it? Don't know

[austere estuary]

12 stacks in moments and pumped by what is slaughterer at max, 75%? Iforget

warp flurry currently not working on surge staff

[orchid nest]

It's actually pretty crazy with purge though in general, I didn't realize this interaction existed. flaming everything and then swapping to a slaughterer fs is extremely legit

[austere estuary]

I really want to hear when rebless is coming

was originally stated December but that was quickly retracted I think

so hopefully this month

[fast swan]

hopefully by next week

like seriously

[orchid nest]

yeah tell me about it. I have a slaughterer fs and a deflector fs but not both. and now I want it even more that I realized this interaction

[supple skiff]

slaughter swapping is great

do that shit with my void staff after I fire off bolts.

[orchid nest]

yeah that is interesting too

[supple skiff]

but yeah they need to do something with crafting soon. saying december and only releasing a single aspect is rediculous

[atomic dagger]

hey
i keep failing on lvl4 missions
is it okay when i copy paste my stuff in hrere and you guys give me feedback?

[fast swan]

sure but you must be able to accept that it might not just be the build

[atomic dagger]

[supple skiff]

yeah, game knowledge and teamplay have far more value than builds. You can run damnation with some pretty scuffed gear successfully

[fast swan]

use surge and purge staff if u want to die of boredome, use void and trauma to have fun

[atomic dagger]

teamplay? ha more like the lack of it 😦

[mild tartan]

I think surge + axe combo is pretty fun 😄

[supple skiff]

tier 4 is full of bads that think they are still in malice and play accordingly

[atomic dagger]

yeh i want to make sure im not one of thse people 😮

cos i am new to tide games

but i feel like im kinda smart

[supple skiff]

don't stray from your teammates, triage threats, and look for the job that isn't being done and thats the bulk of the learning curve

mechanical stuff like dodging and and such come in time

[atomic dagger]

my biggest problem i have right now is that nobody goes for secondary objectives or looks for plast steel/diamantin
what is the point in doing lvl4s when you just leave everything behind and rush into a horde and die

[maiden sleet]

I use my trusty trauma for fun

[fast swan]

2 shots on crit? zamn!

[supple skiff]

a lot of penances require tier 4 difficulty

so you'l see a lot of people queing in just for that, one zealot penance is clear a mission sub 20 minutes

might be what you're runnning into

[atomic dagger]

is there also a penance that you cant heal during mission? i see tons of zealots who dont use medicae

[supple skiff]

there is lol

[jade imp]

Yeah, be at less then one wound for 75% of a mission on heresy and complete it under 20 minutes.

[supple skiff]

on fuck its both?

holy terra thats rough

[atomic dagger]

why do people torture the rest of the group by trying these with random people

[fast swan]

worth upgradin?

or does chrge rate need to be much higher?

[jade imp]

Most of the penances are like that unfortunately.

[supple skiff]

you'll have to ask a psychologist that my friend

[atomic dagger]

i cant post pictures
@fast swan explain pls

[jade imp]

That being said, that zealot one isn't really super negative like some of the others. The worst by far is the sharpshooter "make every shot count".

[maiden sleet]

I usually upgrade if the 1st blessing has like 2 or 3 stripes on it

[atomic dagger]

i dont care about penances. should i?

[jade imp]

Not really. Only if you want the cosmetics TBH.

[fast swan]

gotcha, i didnt know this blessing had options for stripes

[atomic dagger]

so they keep ruining my runs because of cosmetics ... huuuh

[long wharf]

that penance is super easy to cheese, though

[jade imp]

How so?

[warped perch]

[atomic dagger]

how do i post a screenshot in here?

[warped perch]

Hit the plus and add your file

[jade imp]

Oh, you mean the sharpshooter, yeah.

[orchid nest]

@long wharf did you see what I said before? I think you misunderstood what I was saying, I wasn't talking about AB

[long wharf]

right before the team gets on the extraction shuttle, waste all of your ammo except for one shot, then alt-f4, reconnect, and before you step on the shuttle, shoot one enemy with your last shot

done.

[long wharf]

I didn't

[warped perch]

That seems like too much effort

[orchid nest]

I was saying that soulblaze dot kills made after you swap to the FS give you slaughterer stacks themselves. which then go on to increase the other soulblaze dmg you have going

[long wharf]

the veteran penance for not taking any melee damage is even less effort

[long wharf]

jump off a ledge at the start of the mission, and let your three teammates finish the mission without picking you up

[magic nebula]

Or just dodge stuff.

[long wharf]

that's work

and sometimes you get caught from behind

[maiden sleet]

Had to switch to my vet to show that blessing

[orchid nest]

which is actually pretty cool for purg, you can swap when you need to and passively get the full slaughterer stacks without even swinging the sword while roasting any elites

[magic nebula]

Not playing seems worse though. But to each their own.

[fast swan]

zamn thats nice

[mild tartan]

lmao true, is there a minimum difficulty for that penance even?

[long wharf]

heresy

[long wharf]

how are you getting slaughterer stacks without using the melee weapon though?

[orchid nest]

the soulblaze dot kills give you the stacks

[long wharf]

oh!

[orchid nest]

so roast horde a little -> swap -> you have full stacks and any existing elites get deleted

[long wharf]

man that's nuts

[orchid nest]

yeah I think it will be nerfed

[long wharf]

if FartShart were competent, it wouldn't even be possible to begin with

[mild tartan]

what is this

[long wharf]

the fact that this stuff works across all weapons means there's a fundamental flaw in the code design

that's much harder to fix than a broken blessing

[atomic dagger]

asking for feedback 😮
i was told to throw it in here 😄

[long wharf]

the blessing isn't broken, the architecture is

anyways, time to dig through my inventory of trash for a melee weapon with slaughterer on it

[mild tartan]

decent surge staff, perks are good but 2nd blessing is currently bugged and your damage stat is low which is unfortunately the main thing you want on it. Fix the + ordo dockets on that third trinket. I'd recommend running 1 or 2 in the 4th slot instead (for feats)

[orchid nest]

yeah thats true it's a general change that will happen at some point that won't even be targeted at one specific instance like this

[long wharf]

damage isn't the main stat on surge

[mild tartan]

What is?

[long wharf]

warp resist, then quell speed, then charge rate

then damage, then crit

that's my order of importance on surge

[atomic dagger]

thx
wow you are a fast typer
should i save my materials for a better curio?

[mild tartan]

really? i see barely any difference between different rankings of those, dont really run into peril issues

[atomic dagger]

i kinda agree
my psyker with surge just stuns stuff so that my team mates may finish the job

[long wharf]

yep, with the exception of scab gunners and scab shooters

[mild tartan]

thats true, I just like making sure they're nice and cooked

[long wharf]

heck, most scab enemies

[mild tartan]

yeah my 80% dam usually 1-2 shots most ranged elites with shock

[long wharf]

go full charge on those to kill them nice and dead

[atomic dagger]

yummy

this for melee but tbh i try to stay on staff as much as possible

[placid sorrel]

which monstrosity is the quickest to BB? is it the assassination boss?

[orchid nest]

daemonhost I think. or the easiest anyway with someone tanking it

[magic nebula]

If you got a shield ogryn buddy, just let him tank daemonhost, have the 2 others keep the team safe while you bb.

[placid sorrel]

ah fair

all my buddies are vets

[orchid nest]

not so great for this penance but that is otherwise a "problem" I would like to have haha

[placid pike]

hmm tempting but that charge rate and trauma staff though

[magic nebula]

Warp flurry makes up for it, no?

[long wharf]

I really hope FartShart adds buff status icons for weapon blessings at some point to the HUD

welp, that definitely makes soulblaze do more damage

[orchid nest]

yeah seriously. back to what we saying before too, I kind of hope they keep the ability for soulblaze to stack slaughterer and just prevent it from increasing the soulblaze damage. being able to enter melee before even swinging at full slaughterer competency is still good on its own

[long wharf]

the problem is you only keep those slaughterer stacks for 5s

5s is not a lot of time if you consider needing to then switch back to purge, charge up, and then lay down more soulblaze dots

[orchid nest]

it's actually only like 2s but it's still interesting because stuff dies in a staggered fashion anyways, your own melee kills will be going, and it always refreshes the max stacks

[long wharf]

you have to switch back to melee to get the stacks going again

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure

[long wharf]

and frankly, if I'm running purge, I don't need a horde melee, I need an elite melee

[orchid nest]

it just makes slaughterer more useable in general, I mean the other option is.. doing it anyways in melee kills while they do less damage

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[orchid nest]

and also true, but slaughterer stacks going will make the elite burst insane and random soulblaze kills will refresh the stacks while you go for the elite

it'll dump on like a crusher and stuff

[hot zephyr]

Hmmmmm.... Very tempting.....

[orchid nest]

although, I think what you want is going to be very cool too. I would also run that. I think both options are interesting tbh

i'll have to settle for the slaughterer one for now though until I can have lottery winning luck to get bloodthirsty

[viral solstice]

finally a crit surge staff

time to zap em up

[long wharf]

I'm not sure the soulblaze kills will be frequent enough to matter, frankly

unless you've stacked so much soulblaze that the horde is dying quickly anyways, in which case why both pulling out the melee?

[long wharf]

usable, but that poor warp res and quell speed

[orchid nest]

probably a crusher mixed in is the best scenario, since they don't take any damage from you anyways

[viral solstice]

yea it was more just funny that ages ago i wanted to do a crit build for it but could never get that blessing with good crit bonus

[long wharf]

I guess

[viral solstice]

but now hes selling it and i got no points

[placid pike]

I just want my MK V Duelling sword RNG to drop <.<

[viral solstice]

can duelling sword roll shred

i have never seen it but would be cool

[maiden sleet]

Yes

[viral solstice]

oh hell yea

so yeah i would do a shred duelling sword, crit with peril soulblaze on crit crit voidstrike build

[orchid nest]

another situation I can think of when its good is it will let you ab kill gun lines that normally wouldn't die unless you have warp battery. for current functionality

[viral solstice]

just because crits are cool

and hope they dont fix shred

applying to ur other weapon

[covert valve]

i like the idea of it but i have one with 0% and tried one with 80% and i cant see the difference

[austere estuary]

waaait it does?

[viral solstice]

yep

shred is like melee crucian

[austere estuary]

do you need to hit with melee then swap or does it just work

[viral solstice]

so u hit one target 6 times and swap off

[austere estuary]

oh okay

[viral solstice]

and u get the full benefit of shred until u go back to melee and drop the stacks

[austere estuary]

wait

no timer?

[covert valve]

do you have to hit same target?

[viral solstice]

pretty sure yes

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/MycROZJk1Q-XS/d1337SlTLX8Y?invite=cr-MSxkR04sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

but it is how i have an autogun here

[austere estuary]

and after swap off it won't drop?

I mean

[viral solstice]

that is flashbanging me with the crit muzzle flashes

[austere estuary]

after 5s

[viral solstice]

[austere estuary]

OH it never specifies a timer in the first place

omg

well

as it happens I've already been using these two

all the warp flame stacks!

[viral solstice]

purgatus crits

[orchid nest]

wow yeah that is actually pretty crazy for purg

[maiden sleet]

we have same perks

[austere estuary]

oh wow

new crash

first time seeing this

[cloud heron]

How do you block with the force sword while picking someone up? Does it just happen automatically or do you need to hold block before you start holding E on them?

[austere estuary]

automatic iirc

[cloud heron]

i assume it needs to be equipped at least?

[hot zephyr]

just need melee weapon out and it'll auto block for you. Upgrade from VT2 where you had to press block first

[cloud heron]

does it work that way with other classes with other melee weapons?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, it's universal. If you have ranged out, you don't block, if melee out you block

[cloud heron]

I have noticed guys bounce off of me while I pick someone up but didnt really understand why

[hot zephyr]

Mobs can still break your block if there's a lot of them

[cloud heron]

i feel like that should be something called out in the tutorial

[covert valve]

how did you test this after 5s of shred? @viral solstice

[viral solstice]

you mean how do i know it works?

[placid pike]

Anyone got a sample of nsara mindwalker cosmetic? I want to see if the tattoos are still shown?

[viral solstice]

well the base crit on autoguns on a zealot is 3%

and after a few mags of a lotta yellow numbers

[long wharf]

you mean the toilet bowl helm?

[covert valve]

yes please

[placid pike]

yep. but im only interested in the chest :))

[viral solstice]

i just tested crit chance before and after

crit is normalised in this game

going from 3 to 23% is a huge increase

the chance of it being a sample error tends to zero over idk 5 mags

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone have any tips for doing the Pick n Mix penance? Also thinking I should do it with these feats.

[balmy patrol]

having teammates to not kill the blue headed stuff

[placid pike]

Just checked the leaks. Sadly this one and the prison one seems to be the only short sleeved ones 😦. Thanks for the preview

[balmy patrol]

and leave elites alive

like holy fuck

[cyan notch]

can confirm crit rate skyrockets and has no expiry time

[balmy patrol]

the blue head is like a magnet for sharpshooters

MUST

[viral solstice]

worth noting that for automatic weapons crits are rolled and then consecutive shots crit based on fire rate

[balmy patrol]

SHOOT

BLUE

[viral solstice]

and then the shots after cant crit

so it looks very streaky

[cyan notch]

yes but it goes from like 1 streak per mag to like 5 streaks per mag

[viral solstice]

oh yeah it works

i just mean for why it looks so streaky

on a columnus inf its 4 shots in a row

and because the muzzle flash is bigger when u crit

u flashbang urself if ur adsed especially in a dark map

fatshark moment

[cyan notch]

look at me im the beast of nurgle dps now

[orchid nest]

I guess with this info I will now work on this sword

[viral solstice]

das a nice ass sword

[long wharf]

eh, not really

[low fossil]

https://gyazo.com/65ec104c7fea1109ebcd90124fddc076

hello nurse

[solid wolf]

Is psyker melee attack speed bugged? It feels sluggish with dueling sword. FS and axes...

[orchid nest]

well I wasn't gonna use it before but if shred is gonna boost my purg crits, sure

[long wharf]

it's not nearly as often as you think though

[low fossil]

let's see what dear Hadron does to you, my beloved 380 laspistol

[viral solstice]

im praying for infernus 3

[cyan notch]

it makes surge left click super strong lmao

[viral solstice]

[orchid nest]

yeah its better than the actual do nothing blessing with deflector I was using before. thanks, crafting system

[viral solstice]

hadron bricked 6 of my laspistols a few days ago

with 6 rank 1 blessings

all were useless

truly she is a scam artist

[low fossil]

https://gyazo.com/547f776aca405b49ca7e8b1adc045704

time to try rerolling that +1 stamina

the toughness one is kinda ass too but

infernus max rank?

sure..

[viral solstice]

hell yea

[low fossil]

i jsut have to actually crit. but laspistol can shoot pretty fuckin fast, so

there we go

https://gyazo.com/6c46afd50213a3d56b609994ad266404

three chevrons is the max perk rank, right?

it can't go higher than 4% bonus crit?

[cyan notch]

it can

diamond is max rank

[low fossil]

ah, ok

[cyan notch]

for crit chance its 5%

[low fossil]

i'll keep rolling it then for that 1% higher lol

although

i only ever see it with 3..

oh there was a dimaond

[cyan notch]

its rare just keep clicking for 30mins

[low fossil]

yeah this is gonna take a while

[ebon jolt]

Does anyone out there like using the assault chainsword?

[devout sentinel]

@ornate hamlet Easy. Get a "Hab Dreyko HL-16-11 Mission" . Go towards the exit and wait for endless rager spawns . Get a slab shield ogry to tank them all. Explode yourself in them (do this first so they are all under half HP and you can easily kill with 1 BB).
Press F and spam them down with this :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935514302297825280/1059605469901111356/psyk.PNG

[ebon jolt]

I just haven't really gotten into it...

[cyan notch]

i like the chainsword

[low fossil]

you guys think that extra 5% chance is worth it since it has infernus, right?

[viral solstice]

extra 5% chance is always worth on laspistol

inspect the damage chart

laspistol does 3-4x damage crits

against some armour types

[cyan notch]

its push recovery kinda slow but otherwise solid all around weapon

[viral solstice]

the whole wepaon is balanced around critting

[low fossil]

damn, really? nice

[viral solstice]

which is dumb because it has zero crit scaling blessings

so the only way to get it to crit a lot is abuse shred

[low fossil]

i've heard with a weapon swap macro thing, you can fire it at ludicrous speed

any tips regarding setting that up

[ornate hamlet]

Thank you.

[viral solstice]

i have not tried because i wanted to see if i could make it functional without blatantly abusin that

[low fossil]

kk

[viral solstice]

and using shred as a stand in for "when they actually give it useful blessings"

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/MvuLuMTYVfpV-/d1337wtssRog?invite=cr-MSxEZVksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

and at least on zealot u can make it do that so... idk

the other major laspistol issue is, well, maniac damage

it has none

[low fossil]

haha what the fuck? the crit on zealot works on ranged?

[viral solstice]

no the armour pen

when ur in zealot charge carapace turns into flak flak turns into unarmoured

laspistol has best dps vs flak

[low fossil]

oh wow

[hot zephyr]

Yes, I use it all the time actually. it's fantastic for it's heavy attack sweeps for just flattening a horde, and the activation is just rude on mid-level elites like ragers and mutants

[viral solstice]

so its the best las weapon to for deleting a crusher

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/OgKRHunpVM3it/d1337CQZHTTj?invite=cr-MSxSZEQsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

also all laspistols have a scuffed version of run n gun built in

[low fossil]

dope

[viral solstice]

so if u wana just shoot a few shots every so often u can while sprinting

[low fossil]

i honestly have no clue what i'm doing on psyker i just saw that i finally got a 380 in shop so now i want to build around it

got it though!

https://gyazo.com/1e206dcba9edb223b105c5ece563ed67

Re-Bless will come someday for that reassuringly accurate

[ebon jolt]

maybe I need to give it another chance then. The heay swipes just don't feel as good as something like the mk 1 claw sword but the special seems better.

[devout sentinel]

Does "First Target" Damage affect active skill from Force Sword ?

[hot zephyr]

Heavy > Heavy > Light > Light > Block > Push > Repeat

Getting a bonus to Cleave helps, like Wrath or Savage Sweep

[covert valve]

damn not even the imperial version

[hot zephyr]

Chainsword is a Versatile weapon, it'll never be bad against anything, but it'll also never be as good vs hordes as a devils claw or as good against bosses as a force sword

[maiden sleet]

No

[long wharf]

yes

it's been tested, the text there is wrong

[maiden sleet]

Fr? Damn

[devout sentinel]

Text is not wrong

[steady skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-switch-gif-14456506

[covert valve]

it worked when i test it in the training grounds

[devout sentinel]

I can test my dmg with my 60% and some1 can tell me the diff : )

any1 got a comparable to test ? something lower but same range of dmg ?

@covert valve i trust you if you done that with diff weaps i guess. The text is correct tho. Not everything is buged just written overcomplicated : )

[ebon jolt]

This is what I'm working with. In my head it looks awesome but then I use the weapon and suck D:

[viral solstice]

oh btw talking of shred affecting ur guns

wrath also affects ur guns

20% wrath doubles ur guns bullet penetration

so u know

niche but cool

[hot zephyr]

Spend some time in the grinder practising the combos. That's an absolute wrecking ball of a CS.

[hot zephyr]

For reference, this guy is my best CS, and it's way worse than yours and just demolishes.

[ebon jolt]

Ooohh that 25% maniac perk is pretty nice tho.

[hot zephyr]

If I could name it, it would be "Rager's Wail" lol

I gotta refine and swap out the +1 stam but I just dunno what for, and +1 stam honestly pretty good for it, because I run it with my Purg staff and use Kinetic Shield on that build, so I don't have peril block

[orchid nest]

to be fair the 1 stam is also good for peril block

probably better than the block efficiency

[long wharf]

I have block efficiency on all of my curios

[hot zephyr]

That's the one thing I think I gotta weigh out actually. I have 10% block eff on a curio, so reroll that stam to +20% block eff could be really worth it

[long wharf]

it only goes up to 12% on curios

[cyan notch]

hes talking about his +1 stam on his chainsword

[devout sentinel]

when we get though dmg reduce for curio perk it will be meta to go full hp no matter what. change my mind : P

[cyan notch]

its probably not coming

[devout sentinel]

honestly. i would be fine kinda sounds too strong

[long wharf]

ah, my bad

[hot zephyr]

I honestly dunno if I'll ever be able to give up my +1 wound curio, it's so good already and I can still bless it more

[jovial quail]

If only the base stats were better Oh well t4 quell will be nice to slap on later

[covert valve]

imagine all block eff and all +1 stam on weapon and curios lol

[hot zephyr]

Imagine this but on Ogryn.... sooo much stam lol

[covert valve]

ogryn to dumb to have warp blocking

[hot zephyr]

Cassia.

[haughty schooner]

is revolver build a thing?

[fluid knot]

Its pretty hard

Autogun is more reliable if you wanna play with gun

Or there is the MG12.... visibly retches

[haughty schooner]

ah gotcha, saw this thing and was like, those stats are pretty high

[fluid knot]

Give it a go see what you reckon, that is a v good roll

[hot zephyr]

It's got Hand Cannon and Reload Speed, and you'll probably never see a better rolled one. It's dubious meta-wise at best but could but a fun weapon to bust out for speed runs

[haughty schooner]

cool thanks guys

ill go consecrate it up n let you know what happened with it

[covert valve]

isnt that ogyrn part of the xenos?

[haughty schooner]

finished (without refining)

cant believe it got a 4pip blessing XD

[hot zephyr]

Jesus... you rolled a 4pip sustained fire on that?!?!?!

[haughty schooner]

does sustained fire work since its semi auto?

[fluid knot]

Yeah it still works

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, sustained fire procs as long as the recoil hasn't re-zeroed

[haughty schooner]

ah ok ty

[fluid knot]

Should be pretty mighty that right there, Gj

[haughty schooner]

😄

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, that thing is now a literal hand cannon

[covert valve]

how does it work with the voidstrike? i havnt had the chance to test it

[hot zephyr]

So the way it works in general is every weapon has a recoil value as a time duration, as long as you pull the trigger again before that recoil timer expires, you get the bonus on the 2nd and 3rd round that leaves the weapon. After that you can let the recoil zero again to adjust you aim and fire again

[haughty schooner]

so does this mean i only gain bonus crit chance on the melee portion of the pistol? otherwise its just more crit damage?

[hot zephyr]

I don't specifically know how it would work with Voidstrike, but I would assume you can probably only trigger it spamming LMB

[covert valve]

can you keep firing it constantly to get the 15%?

[hot zephyr]

No, on the 4th round you no longer get the bonus until the recoil counter resets to zero

A single "Salvo" is essentially the time from first trigger pull until recoil resets, extended by any additional recoil incurred by additional rounds. So essentially you wanna fire in short controlled bursts to maximize the perk's damage buff

3 round Burst weapons benefit most from the effect, like the MkIII Vraks, but I personally prefer the utility of having full auto and then just not getting trigger happy.

[orchid cairn]

I wish I had 370 Revolver.

[long wharf]

who was it that insisted you get AB procs from another psyker killing with soulblaze?

[hot zephyr]

That was proven live on stream by RealAsianRobot, it absolutely works. He literally stood there doing nothing while gaining warp charges with no Communion or Flayer in his build, only AB and a friendly psyker using Purge staff

[plain charm]

Hello and happy taco tuesday all

[long wharf]

because I'm trying my hardest to do it, and I'm not seeing it at all

[hot zephyr]

well, 10% chance right

Took him a bunch of tries to get it to work

And it was kinda dubious at best

Definitely a bug, not something you wanna build on

[long wharf]

saying "it was kinda dubious at best" doesn't work for me

I've been running surge with AB all night

three runs now, I've purposefully stayed out of coherency and watched another psyker with purge kill hordes via soulblaze

and I got nada

[plain charm]

Can anyone help with an achievement or give some tips on how to beat it? I h ave been trying for a few days and cannot get it for some reason

[long wharf]

did the streamer get a single warp charge at an odd time?

or was he getting warp charges while the other psyker was actively using soulblaze

[hot zephyr]

Like, at first he wasn't getting anything, then he got an odd charge here and there, then the purge psyker burned a huge horde and he got pushed all the way to 6 charges

[long wharf]

I'm going to have to see a video of that in action to not just call it all bullshit

[hot zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJHzNm6-ug

[spice oar]

ok siblings its 3am i summon you to tell me how to do pick n mix

ignore the bloon pfp

[fluid knot]

Kinetic Barrage and a lot of luck

Also hello fellow 3am enjoyer

[spice oar]

revised work so i feel ive earned a game and i chose darktide for some reason

my incomparable mind works in ways i do not understand

[long wharf]

the dude is in full coherency

[hot zephyr]

Doesn't matter, he specifically doesn't have Communion.

[orchid nest]

are we sure that the bug is even AB and not communion from the other psyker being bugged

[long wharf]

right

[hot zephyr]

I mean, that's entirely possible too. I feel like that would work with any kills tho, not specifically soulblaze

[orchid nest]

yeah it should if that was the case

it's possible that not one even thought to check though because they normally have communion themselves so often

[long wharf]

something fucky is definitely going on

because he may not have had communion on, but did the other psyker?

[hot zephyr]

It's certainly possible, based on what I saw I believe it's AB that's broken. But only a dev with access to the code would know for sure

[spice oar]

hope they fixed the bugged trauma before this "bug"

[orchid nest]

maybe we could ask hedge, he was answering stuff again this morning after being back from vacation

[thorny idol]

GET FUCKED RNG

[hot zephyr]

If communion was this broken tho I'd think multi-psyker groups would have noticed by now. I remember I had a run 3 psykers and an ogryn and we definitely didn't just have stacks like that.

[long wharf]

yeah

this needs further testing

I'm glad he recorded it, but his methodology wasn't strict enough

to be sure, we need further tests to remove potential variables

[covert valve]

i normally run with another pskyer but its hard to tell bcuz its 4%

[hot zephyr]

Call the Necrons. We must apply liberal amounts of SCIENCE!!!!!!!

[long wharf]

yeah 4% is pretty low

[orchid nest]

it's possible that communion is bugged but not stacking. then you wouldn't notice

[thorny idol]

their science looks like seance

https://tenor.com/view/seance-bubbles-power-puff-gif-19658693

[long wharf]

but just because he got a full 6 stacks out of a horde and a half doesn't mean it couldn't be communion bugging

does someone want to jump into a private run with me to test this more thoroughly?

[thorny idol]

communion is also just a percentage chance, if you have thousands of people flipping flipping coins, some will get a ton of heads in a row

[orchid nest]

like each psyker having it could just not be stacking individual chances from each one, it could just be a weird bug where you only benefit from it once. like you inherit the feat from them, not get charges from them

[hot zephyr]

You are right to doubt, like I said above, the only people who can truly confirm are devs with access to the code. But you could def do further testing and confirm with multiple psykers and make sure no one runs communion

[long wharf]

what do you mean by "inherit the feat from them"?

[orchid nest]

like you benefit from having communion in their coherency as if you had the feat but aren't actually gaining charges from them

[long wharf]

how could you possibly tell the difference then?

[orchid nest]

if that were the bug, you wouldn't see crazy stacking from multiple psykers

[long wharf]

a theory has to be testable, there has to be a definable failure condition

[fluid knot]

Guys this is getting very close to tech heresy in here

[long wharf]

if your idea was correct, then communion also couldn't be responsible for what we see in the video

[cyan notch]

test it with both people without communion or ab see if anyone gets warp charges

[orchid nest]

possibly. it could also be more complex than one condition, it could be a bug within a bug and then good luck testing it

[cyan notch]

or just the one guy with purg having communion without ab

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, the only way to isolate would be to have two psykers, one with AB and then nothing else that can get charges, and then one with a purge staff and no talents that generate charges

And see if the staff can generate charges on the other player

[long wharf]

that's one test

test 1) psyker A with AB nothing else, psyker B with full purge build (to reproduce what we see in video)

test 2) psyker A with AB nothing else, psyker B with full purge build minus communion

[orchid nest]

why not? it counts ally kills too, and he is in coherency

[long wharf]

because test 3) is test 1 but psykers stay out of coherency

and test4) is test 2 but psykers stay out of coherency

[orchid nest]

ah ok I didn't see them

[long wharf]

the point is to do tests with as few variables as possible to test at a time

and tease out what the combination of factors is at play

[orchid nest]

I just saw you say he was in coherency for it and didn't watch the full video so my bad

[long wharf]

okay, who wants to test this with me?

[orchid nest]

I can some other time if you find no one else, I have to go right now though

[cyan notch]

what the hell is “full purge build”

[fluid knot]

I dont mind helping you out with it

But im cookin atm

[long wharf]

purge staff with the feats x21112

not that that should matter

could also go 001002

just to remove everything but communion and AB

[vagrant cedar]

anyone else's end game become from finishing damnation -> checking store -> checking new updates

became from 3-4 hours a day

to 5 times a day for store

to 1 time every 2-3 days

[fluid knot]

Yes, yes it has. Though "finish" damnation is uhhh.. Kinda mixed

[vagrant cedar]

i love it

[vagrant cedar]

well seeing how you only got 2 damnation maps at any point, and you got 95% the same 2 maps

i call it finished

[fluid knot]

[austere estuary]

so I was thinking

[fluid knot]

That makes me feel better, thanks man

[vagrant cedar]

how many times you been at the foggy map?

[austere estuary]

with things like crucian roulette and shred working on other weapons

maybe that "up to 5% power scaling with peril" on force sword

works on our staves

[vagrant cedar]

i was once when the game got released

that's it

[austere estuary]

which would actually make it pretty sweet

[fluid knot]

Oh wat the ventilation purge modifier? Yeah only once mate, literally only in one mission, then it rolled off

[austere estuary]

if you don't actually use your fs that much at least

or take shred and that and boom, crit and power for your staff

[vagrant cedar]

😂

god damnit dude

[cyan notch]

mine is farming plasteel

[vagrant cedar]

fam, it doesn't matter what you pick, red items are coming and you'll have to do it all over again

do what you want

[fluid knot]

They gotta randomise them fuckin special conditions more

[vagrant cedar]

none of it matters

[austere estuary]

lol it's a game

[fluid knot]

Lights out is super cool

[austere estuary]

like

duh none of it matters

[vagrant cedar]

mate, once the lights out come out

i'm happy af

cause it's the only other condition we have

lmfaoooo

[fluid knot]

In the grand scheme of things, you're gonna die one day, so does anything really matter?

[vagrant cedar]

NO WAY SOMETHING NEW

[fluid knot]

Legit it do be like that

[hot zephyr]

Psyker chat gettin' philosophical after dark lol

[austere estuary]

"better not play any games or engage with any of the stuff I like now cause something will replace it later"

[vagrant cedar]

big brain talks

[fluid knot]

Shame too, because they're really quite fun some of them modifiers

[fluid knot]

Its 3.30am, there is no other option

[vagrant cedar]

i still can't believe they forcing rotations

and not letting people decide what they want to play

[fluid knot]

Well as far as missions go im pretty sure thats to save on server resources, that being said, there is no reason multiple special conditions cant be shown at a time

[hot zephyr]

You clearly never were a fan of the borderlands series

[vagrant cedar]

i only enjoyed first one

[fluid knot]

🙏

[vagrant cedar]

all others seemed like copy pastas

[fluid knot]

First one was actually funny, like it had jokes in it for adults, fell off more an more in later iterations

Because youngsters are an easier demographic to sell to

[north cradle]

Psyker wishes he was as cool as BL1 Siren

[vagrant cedar]

it's like assasin creed

how many times you can copy paste it

[fluid knot]

Lol i mean that was bad to begin with

[vagrant cedar]

im pretty sure they gonna save those resources either by half the people idling at the stores or leaving cause it's the same maps over and over

end result is the same

[long wharf]

the first Borderlands was really good

the second was great

[fluid knot]

Yeah arguably that is true Sky, i dont disagree there

[long wharf]

after that, they were meh

[ornate hamlet]

finally beat the self destruct penance

[vagrant cedar]

i played 2nd after a huge gap, and i tried to like it but i couldn't

[fluid knot]

eyyy, gj man 🙏

[vagrant cedar]

there wasn't that many new gimmicks

[long wharf]

what are you talking about?

[vagrant cedar]

to pool you in

[long wharf]

slag was a huge new mechanic

[ornate hamlet]

i want these penances gone lmao

[long wharf]

and the class abilities were more than a copy-n-paste of the original classes

[vagrant cedar]

was it? no idea what slag is so many not early game mechanic

[long wharf]

oh, you didn't get very far into 2 at all then

[vagrant cedar]

maybe*

[fluid knot]

Nah there was plenty of new stuff in two, and the game was fun (especially the endgame) but the writing was fucking poor. (apart from the DnD DLC)

[vagrant cedar]

nah dude

[long wharf]

to which I'd say, you didn't really give it a fair shot

[vagrant cedar]

i tried for like 20-30minutes

[long wharf]

the writing in 2 was as good as in 1

[vagrant cedar]

borderlands 1 pulled you in straight away

like Mafia games

[ornate hamlet]

i will say, borderlands 2 really doesn't have miuch new cool stuff

[long wharf]

but the Tiny Tina's Adventure DLC was easily the best DLC for any game I've played

[fluid knot]

Nah, 1 was much more adult, much darker humor, two is a bit more general populous friendly imo

[long wharf]

I disagree entirely

[ornate hamlet]

I'm a weirdo who thinks 3 is better because i never liked the writing and the gameplay is the best in 3

[fluid knot]

Yeah i agree with that, that was actually clever

[fluid knot]

You wanna see something funny?

[hot zephyr]

Shop here is like Borderlands loot. The difference in actual in-game performance between a weapon with 45% roll and 75% roll on the same stat is less than 5% difference in actual performance. It just gives us math nerds something to obsess over. reality is there's almost no difference between a 350 weapon and a 380 weapon, with the exception of some blessings that are a little unbalanced and actually kinda game breaking (see deflector as an example).

So checking shop obsessively doesn't really benefit you nearly as much as playing and improving your personal skill level at the game. Being a skilled player adds so much more than a few extra stat points on a weapon.

[cyan notch]

theyre all terrible goofy ass game goofy ass guns goofy ass art style

[long wharf]

Borderlands 1 was funny, absolutely

for Borderlands 2, Gearbox knew they had to up the ante

[covert valve]

@long wharf did you end up testing the AB stacking on other pskyers?

[long wharf]

and so the tone of the game wasn't as much world building like B1 was

nope, nobody volunteered to help test

[fluid knot]

I literally did i was just cooking pizza

[vagrant cedar]

the only 3rd episode of series is the best in Half Life

and LEft for dead

[covert valve]

ah dang i would but im helping fellow pskyers get the pick and mix

[vagrant cedar]

the end.

[long wharf]

so you volunteered when you couldn't actually help

my dude, that's not volunteering.

[elfin roost]

I swear this game hates me

[fluid knot]

Bruh it takes like ten minutes to cook and im eating it now

[long wharf]

what kind of pizza are you having that takes only 10 minutes?

microwave?

[elfin roost]

Right at the end a dog shows up and pushes me off the edge without me being the target

[cyan notch]

well its not all about searching for minimal upgrades what if you want to experiment with different weapons with different builds but u cant because the shop isnt selling it

[fluid knot]

Wait thats a thing? No it was a frozen one that defrosted because powercut earlier

[placid pike]

Hmm. If it's alright. Can someone share a pic of their psyker wearing these "camo pants"+ mind walker chest? Am curious how horrendous it could look

[long wharf]

uh, how long was it thawed for before you cooked it?

[wanton cove]

Frozen pizzas only take 14-16 min

[fluid knot]

Idk, few hours, but it aint got no meat on it and even if it did i wouldnt be hugely concerned, i have an iron gut

[wanton cove]

And if it was thawed it would b shorter

[orchid cairn]

Lmao a moment later when I said that in Melek's.

[long wharf]

I'm not sure I'd trust uncooked dairy sitting at room temperature for a few hours

[wanton cove]

Coming from someone who lived off them in college 🤣

[long wharf]

I guess it'd be okay?

[cyan notch]

good thing hes not you

[fluid knot]

Its cheese mate not milk

Its basically already off

[long wharf]

oh my sweet summer child

that just means bacteria has already been cultured in it

[wanton cove]

🤣

[long wharf]

when I was younger, I had an iron stomach

much less so now

[fluid knot]

Look mate, i eat pork pies that have been sat at room temp for two days, im not about to drop dead over defrosted cheese

[long wharf]

good lord.

[fluid knot]

Yeah i know, times are hard 😂

[hot zephyr]

I dunno. Maybe I'm just lucky. I haven't had any issues. Got all 7-8 guns I care to have, 350+ void and purge and a 380 surge, multiple force swords, chainsword, dueling. Only thing I haven't found 350+ yet is a decent Devils claw.

It's not like I camp shop or anything either. I just check every time I finish a mission.

[ebon jolt]

I have a handful of 370+ claw swords but I feel like you really need savage sweep or another cleave or body mass ignore blessing to make it good.

[long wharf]

aaaanyways

[ebon jolt]

Those dang dudes with flak helmets getting in the way.

[cyan notch]

i want wrath + savage sweep

[ebon jolt]

Sounds like a juicy combo. I also want to try rampage + savage sweep.

[cyan notch]

thats pretty much the same as camping shop tho whats the difference if you cant get weapons from missions why run them over and over if youre only interested in weapons

[wanton cove]

Because progression (getting better weapons) is fun for lots of ppl

Even if the improvements are minimal

Heck that’s why I dumped so much time into VT2. To get perfect gear. Although admittedly the loot system was a little more straightforward

[ebon jolt]

Got this bad boi just waiting for rebless:

[vagrant cedar]

dont' quote me but i imagine if you held a block for 15s having the best gear you can have, vs what you have now, you wouldn't notice a difference

[wanton cove]

I like perfect number

🥳

And until we get reds…the best of that 😈

[vagrant cedar]

fair enough g

[wanton cove]

Yeah it is really why I play these games

[vagrant cedar]

i must have variation to enjoy stuff

[wanton cove]

Loot goblin tendencies + needing the best items. Offers me a lot of replay ability for a bit I guess…😂

[vagrant cedar]

a change

[wanton cove]

I usually binge games 😬

[vagrant cedar]

if i can't feel the change, it pisses me off

feels like wasting time

[spice oar]

a simpler loot system would do worlds for this game

in terms of shope

[idle shuttle]

whens rebless?

[wanton cove]

Yeah and when u don’t get an item from a t5 or tough t4 it’s yucky feeling. Most of us probably don’t need the gold lol

[cyan notch]

probably like 2 weeks from now

[vagrant cedar]

expects years

be happy if months

super if weeks

expectations low, you won't get dissapointed

[spice oar]

yeah fs will just keep sending out tweets, and we will keep replying "fix these things, add these missing things" and thatll be the cycle for the next couple of months

[vagrant cedar]

someone did say that from datamine that a lot of shit is at a very early stage so

i wouldn't be surprised if months

[spice oar]

shit

back to v2

[vagrant cedar]

check the reddit to be sure

iirc

[spice oar]

but hol on gotta camp shop for 2 more mins

[vagrant cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

😂

[spice oar]

still havnt got a deflector

[vagrant cedar]

that's how they get you

casino dopamine

[cyan notch]

dont worry guys! theres "heartening" news!!!

but we cant tell you about it or tell you anything at all

[vagrant cedar]

some cool map cgi?

[spice oar]

they had loot crates in v2 and it just felt good like with the crafting

[cyan notch]

just trust me guys

[vagrant cedar]

Have you been at this map yet, rejects?

i laugh when i see those tweets

it's like the guy was hired to make them every week

[spice oar]

that seems to be a theme actually why do people hate lootboxes so much when there are simple alts to these things that can coexist with these things

[vagrant cedar]

prolongs the game innit

i got 200h on steam for darktide

i doubt i played more than 100

[spice oar]

damm

i got 80

200 on v2 tho

[vagrant cedar]

got 150 on v1

5 on v2

[spice oar]

as good as the voice acting in this game is nothing will beat fire auntie and saltz

[vagrant cedar]

i just hope there's gonna be enough good playerbase when they release all the base game content for me to enjoy in the following months

and won't end up as evolve

[austere estuary]

I definitely do I keep hoarding items for blessings

[vagrant cedar]

or deathwing

[spice oar]

cant wait for this game to come out of beta fr

[spice oar]

deathwings good with friends, evolve its so sad what happened i love that entire game

[proven cipher]

So anyone looking to do the Pick n Mix and Malleus Monstronum penance?

[spice oar]

servers are up tho?

[spice oar]

pray to sigmar sir

[vagrant cedar]

nah they shut down evolve

even after free to play

dead game

[wanton cove]

Im at 226k now. Cant seem to keep up the spending xD

[long wharf]

it went free to play because the game was dying

[wanton cove]

Wish I could give you some lol

[proven cipher]

Sigmar wishes he is the Emperor of Mankind

[spice oar]

I WALK WITH SIGMAR

[long wharf]

okay, who wants to test AB with me?

[austere estuary]

I've literally started running three +dockets curios so I can keep up with spending

I just think like

gimme those votives

[vagrant cedar]

yet but, it was a PR trick, they only done it to gather as much cash as they can before they killed it

[long wharf]

that's not called a "PR trick"

[austere estuary]

probably though I won't have enough mats to extract the many items

[long wharf]

it's called trying to make whatever money they can on it before they shut it down

[elfin roost]

Wait a second

Aint this game pushing out several waves of cosmetics?

[abstract cedar]

And the game was dying because they took a game that was working and fucked it all to hell with updates & balance changes that were the opposite of what the players wanted lol

Then they did the same thing to Back4Blood for a few months before they finally turned it around

[elfin roost]

Rip darktide

[long wharf]

I didn't say they handled the game well

just pointed out that the logical business decision for a dying game is to make it f2p to get people to spend what little else they want

and then eventually shut it all down

[abstract cedar]

Yeah I wasn't commenting on that part

I've just never seen a company torpedo their own game like that

And almost do it twice

[dim pier]

It also had tons of microtransactions didn't it

[austere estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KalqilW-80 great vid on evolve

[abstract cedar]

They sold monsters for like $15 a pop

[austere estuary]

lots of background on how it came to be, and how it ended up how it did

and entertaining

[dim pier]

And tons of paid hunters I remember

[abstract cedar]

At least in B4B they rolled all the characters & skins into the campaign DLC, I have to concede that's better than the modern standard

[dim pier]

Yeah, and I heard that B4B doesn't have ANY microtransactions other than DLCs?

[abstract cedar]

Yep

[dim pier]

I need to try that again at some point

[abstract cedar]

It's good now, which is a pity because nobody plays it

I'd say the same thing about WWZ

[dim pier]

It does have crossplay+game pass at least, so that's a good source of players

[fluid zenith]

Should I buy this staff?
Out of the ones I've seen, this is the best voidstrike I've seen on Melk and the shop since I was able to do Melk contracts