psyker-class

[sour bison]

spending all my shit on rng casino

[austere estuary]

Melk has popped a lot of good blessings forbut me,

[manic needle]

Like the QA on some of these blessings is insanely bad

[austere estuary]

wow typing

for me, but*

not enough for me to spend on them

when currency is so limited

[sour bison]

yeah its often good blessings but shit stats

[austere estuary]

yeah but that's fine

[sour bison]

its not

[austere estuary]

if we think about it as votive collecting

they're nearly always t3 and seems more likely to get t4

[manic needle]

Hey at least the perk actually does something for the left click attack, unlike the blessing which basically doesnt work on surge staff

[austere estuary]

oh it doesn't? I know it works on void but never use surge much

[manic needle]

The timer for chained attacks with Warp flurry is shorter than the full attack animation of Surge Staff

[austere estuary]

oh so only 1 stack ever possible huh

surge is so weird though, the bar always starting a chunk full and not like the way it bumps up from flurry

[manic needle]

You can have multiple stacks if youre literally just spamming and interrupting, which defeats the point really

[austere estuary]

I can't seem to get it to stack on this thing like I can with void

hmm

yeah it seems completely non functional to me

[steel egret]

Ah right that was the issue with flurry.

[fast swan]

wait a sec

upon testing in da meat grinder for damnation, quicken seems kinda really good with flayer

and psykinetics aura

do any of y'all use quicken?

[austere estuary]

which one is that?

[fast swan]

when u ult, use up all BB charges and gain 12.5% cooldwon back

[clear heath]

I don't like losing charges on F

[fast swan]

lvl 30 feat

understandable

[subtle girder]

Gn even weirder weirdos

[clear heath]

and being able to make BB viable for a few seconds with barrage is nice sometimes

gn

[fast swan]

kinetic barrage is good, but i wish i had more sources of soulblaze to use aescendant blaze with void staff

[austere estuary]

oh the fast BB cast

it's very good imo

[olive ember]

nope KB is the go to

[austere estuary]

oh wait no the CD

[fast swan]

honestly they really really should buff wrack and ruin

[olive ember]

Quicken is the worst of the bunch tbh

[fast swan]

to give like 4 stacks of suolblaze so it can at least kill pox walkers

[olive ember]

its only useable on purge staff, which uses AB

[austere estuary]

I think quicken is excellent as is

[fast swan]

or just make the elite explode in a trauma staff explosion that also applies soulblaze

[austere estuary]

being able to suddenly churn out pops for a pack of gunners or shotgunners etc

[clear heath]

Quicken seems like if you wanted as much quelling as possible and cared about little else

[olive ember]

not really, its only useful if you have warp charges, but since it expends warp charges there is very little use for it except for the niche circumstance where you want to spam two pushes back to back

[austere estuary]

oh nm

I'm thinking of barrage

[olive ember]

yeah

XD

[austere estuary]

I think quicken is the one I use least

[fast swan]

if there were some laser staff that did insane constant dps but had hella peril generation quicken would be great

just aint necessary yet

[steel egret]

Really dont use anything but last one of last feats.

[olive ember]

it would need good charge generation tho

[austere estuary]

yeah

which purge gets from the other lvl 30

[fast swan]

also kinetic overload should apply soulblaze to all nearby enemies

[austere estuary]

the irony

[fast swan]

would it be busted?

yes

[austere estuary]

kinda wish charges from soulblaze passive was on wrack and ruin or something

would make quicken much more attractive

even if only in that niche

[fast swan]

yea

[olive ember]

I mean another big problem with quicken is

[fast swan]

i just wish there were more ways to use charges and soulblaze without using purge

[olive ember]

who actually needs it?

like theres only two instances where quicken is useful

if you need to push alot of things multiple times

[fast swan]

wehn laser staff comes out we'll need itr

[olive ember]

or you need to quell peril

and with current staffs peril isn't that big of an issue besides trauma

[austere estuary]

well in theory it's fairly wild to be able to do that kind of mass CC while chunking up toughness via quietude

[olive ember]

meh I feel like a knock down is overrated, especially with how inconsistent the push is sometimes

[austere estuary]

I feel like it got worse after the most recent patch, or just luck

had so many poxwalkers ignore it

er

poxbursters

not walkers

[clear heath]

Yeah it feels like it just doesn't work sometimes

[olive ember]

I mostly use the F as a "get off me" tool, and it comes up often enough that I feel like quicken would just be overkill

[austere estuary]

the other thing is

[clear heath]

Poxbursters seem to ignore it when they're too close
Which is like the opposite of what you'd expect

[austere estuary]

psykinetic aura + barrage

[olive ember]

what KB lets me do is go "oh shit that flamer in the back is about to screw me through the horde? Press F to knock things down and quickly BB it"

granted I use a surge staff

[steel egret]

If you have all the.. ability cooldown perks in 3 curio and use quicken

[austere estuary]

is kind of more reliable anyway

[clear heath]

It seems to push poxbursters more consistently when they're farther away and not about to explode

[austere estuary]

I had the opposite experience, where it seemed like I had to wait for them to be mid jump for it to work

[olive ember]

lol I find the opposite, the bursters ignore my push like 80% of the time and I'm better off just using FS push

[austere estuary]

and if I did it before they just kept running in and jumped

but honestly could just be luck

[steel egret]

Mainly will the quicken affect the original timer or curio reduced time.

[austere estuary]

curio tooltip wording implies sped up rate of recharge but who knows

[steel egret]

I know its listed as %

[austere estuary]

not tested it so

[steel egret]

Yeah

[austere estuary]

could be just skipping

though either way it should still stack in the same way

[steel egret]

Yeah but if its applied on reduced amount its technically less you get from quicken

I have no idea if said regen is just cd time reduction.

[austere estuary]

oh I doubt it'd be on reduced amount due to how quicken works

since the 'full' cooldown from quicken never changes

it just skips a chunk by chewing charges

so imo they should work together still

obv can't guarantee without testing

[stone parcel]

Quick question, does the block with the psyker sword block bullets? I dont think it does but keep seein others use it

[austere estuary]

you need deflector blessing

and then it will

[stone parcel]

Ahh got it

[elder dagger]

that blessing is 11/10

[austere estuary]

has anyone actually seen a force sword with warpfire stacks on crit blessing?

[flint turtle]

I've done ir

[elder dagger]

If there's a tanky psyker class in the future, that blessing would be fantastic for it

[vast oasis]

i have one, yea

[flint turtle]

My numerous suicides have ended in me getting out with a bang after 2 weeks

[austere estuary]

I'm just peeping through the big json and saw that the burnstacks proc is referred to as "warp burninating on crit" for it

[long glacier]

What does charging up the surge staff do? I heard the dmg is dealt at the end of the cast

[austere estuary]

more damage

longer stun

[vast oasis]

you get about 2.5x damage for 2x peril cost

[long glacier]

Does the additional dmg come from the initial ticks or the final one?

[vast oasis]

dun remember tbh

[austere estuary]

oh boy, that force sword blessing that gives power "up to" 4-5% based on peril at t3/4?

apparently linear scaling according to the dev description

so not only is it weak at max, you really won't be even close to it a lot of the time unless you have like 0% warp res roll on it

[steel egret]

Yeah.. I think even precognition beats that

[austere estuary]

I'd say so

[fast swan]

man deflector really needs to be a feat

please emperor

or a passive for all force melee weapons

since axes and dueling swords are better a lotta the time

[austere estuary]

passive would be nice

I love force sword though

even without it

[fast swan]

me too

but meta wise it could really use deflector

[austere estuary]

and those multipliers it gets are silly good

[fast swan]

feels like shit to upgrade it and it not get deflector

[austere estuary]

looking at its finesse vs say duelling swords

[steel egret]

Eh maybe on 2h one when they add it

[fast swan]

all i know is im gonna drop me force sword the day the force greatsword comes out

i need some good cleave

[austere estuary]

2.29x at 79 plus 1.32x on first target, AND 1.05x-1.15x from peril scaling feat

[lusty wave]

@fast swan devil claw mk 1 has good cleave

[fast swan]

yea but i like slow swinging powerful weapons

[austere estuary]

my current FS just needs votives

[fast swan]

and i dont play psyker just to use normie weapons

[lusty wave]

@fast swan the power attack is what does the cleave

[austere estuary]

for cleave, light > heavy > push works very well while abusing our infinite dodges

[lusty wave]

Also it's not like force sword is any better, people hype it up cause of deflector but other then that you're useless

[fast swan]

i know but i want something that has a horizontal slice as the first attack in a combo and a force ability

[lusty wave]

Force sword is like boring as hell either way

I'm biased tho so idk

[fast swan]

wrong!

just give me different force sword marks soon and ill be happy

but a force axe with the over head combos would be lit

[austere estuary]

weapon that has infinite dodges, insane single target ignoring armor, most powerful push in the game that can knock ragers on their ass for 4% peril, 360 degree regular push, great horde management (and clear if you have slaughterer)

honestly can't bring myself to use anything else

[lusty wave]

Force axe sounds nice

[austere estuary]

more force weps would be better yeah

[lusty wave]

I want more main weapons for psyker tho

[fast swan]

yea but need force melee variety

[lusty wave]

More staves or something idk

[austere estuary]

100% more variety good

[lusty wave]

Fr

[fast swan]

force bretonnian longsword 🤤

[austere estuary]

force club, let me pretend I'm playing ogryn

[fast swan]

force fist

force flail!

[austere estuary]

[fast swan]

force quarterstaff

[austere estuary]

though if there's any melee wep that I want to see buffed it's poor old catachan

I have this:

but even with all these stats it struggles to kill much

[mild tartan]

there goes the last of my aquilas. Helm was too cool to pass up. No more cosmetics for me

[austere estuary]

finesse literally half as strong as force sword finesse, 1.15x vs 2.3x

[fast swan]

🔥

zamn!

[orchid venture]

alright, I gotta find some method to blow myself up on 3 shotgunners apparently

[mild tartan]

super fun achievement

[austere estuary]

we sure it works on specialists?

I did it with friends on ragers

[fast swan]

yea

[austere estuary]

and tbh

I think that shotgunners might be more difficult in that they may just explode you and push you away while they're at it

[mild tartan]

I got mine with ragers

[austere estuary]

FWIW I found one charged trauma blast was enough to be sure a rager was primed to die from blast

[mild tartan]

seems like the most common group spawn on malice and they crowd around you naturally so its easier

[placid sorrel]

i wonder how the pipes function on psyker drips. coolant liquid for the inner gear?

[orchid venture]

yeah ragers would probably be better, but I have to hurt them a little first before blowing up, and that also means keeping track of which is which

[austere estuary]

everyone knows water cooled psykers go faster

but we need RGB lighting to perform at peak

[mild tartan]

true, I think I just zapped them with lightning once and it was good

[orchid venture]

hmm... i need a new zap staff I think

of course theres 0 in the store

[mild tartan]

It took me several days to roll one that didnt suck lol was stuck on void for quite some time

[fast swan]

still waiting on a transfer peril void staff

[austere estuary]

huh

literally just saw this as you say that

in shop

[fast swan]

jealous

[austere estuary]

also this

[fast swan]

not as jealous

mobility is super important innit

[austere estuary]

shame the distributioin

mobility nice on fs but not as critical imo with the dodge count untethered

still, prefer to have it

for me the dream is warp res dump stat

[fast swan]

agreed

[austere estuary]

this is my current FS

praying they let us use 2 votives on each weapon

[fast swan]

pretty nice but no deflect makes it not whole

votive?

[rocky cedar]

Isn't weak spot damage kinda bad though?

[austere estuary]

as I'd like slaughterer and deflector

I like multipliers meant to roll it to crit and got bored

only so much of hadron's throat singing I could handle

[rocky cedar]

I don't think weak spot damage is actually 10% multiplicative

[fast swan]

oooaaah

[rocky cedar]

Same as crit damage

[austere estuary]

I assume crit damage is additional to existing multiplier like in monhun

[rocky cedar]

I don't know the exact calc but I know it's bad

[austere estuary]

there's a blessing that doesn't seem to be active in the game that might make it work

[fast swan]

i dont think crits are what you need on FS as i mainly use it to clear a few chaff units or to burst a nearby elite

[austere estuary]

an on activation guaranteed crit

[fast swan]

wait whatnow?

[rocky cedar]

Surely FS has some good break points with vs armour type perks?

[fast swan]

how crit guaranteed>

[rocky cedar]

Read their previous comment

Blessing not actually in game

[fast swan]

oh so what is the condition for this not added blessing?

[austere estuary]

this one

[fast swan]

[ashen schooner]

Bloodthirsty?

[fast swan]

now that is nice

[ashen schooner]

It exists but rare

[austere estuary]

it is t4 only so that

would make sense

[fast swan]

activate special, kill something small, then have a special crit to destroy a crusher potentially with 1 shot?

zamn!

[austere estuary]

the t4 version of warpflame proc on it also adds 4 stacks in one cirt

which is kinda sick

[fast swan]

so to be certain this is not in the game yet

[austere estuary]

the other thing I was thinking about with the crit damage etc is if they don't touch crucian roulette

on gun

[fast swan]

holy hell i need that blessing

[austere estuary]

I hope they don't nerf crucian roulette working on melee but suspect they will

[fast swan]

might just have a decent FS with deflector and wait till they add that to put on

whats crucian roulette?

[austere estuary]

bonus crit chance based on how empty the weapon is

it says per empty chamber but it means as a percentage of emptiness

but it also applies to your melee

[rocky cedar]

I reckon it'd still be less useful damage than a vs armour type perk which is just straight 25% more damage multiplicative

[austere estuary]

so you empty shots once time, don't reload and swap

and then you have a lot of melee crit

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's per 10% mag

[ashen schooner]

I haven’t seen one but supposedly they are #psyker-class message

[austere estuary]

this results in me gaining roughly 30% in practice

[rocky cedar]

40% with empty mag

[fast swan]

wtf

isnt the crit chance based on peril blessing for staf like 2%?

[rocky cedar]

Absurdly abusable on Zealot obviously

[fast swan]

guns/vet so busted and mickey mouse

[rocky cedar]

Does anyone know if that one also applies to melee? I assume not but you never know

[austere estuary]

not tried

warp nexus very good though

crucian roulette only good at the end of your chamber

warp nexus you can ride high peril

and get it nearly all the time

[rocky cedar]

I heard the soulblaze on crit with trauma staff only works on primary fire

Was so sad to hear that

[austere estuary]

That's sad but also not TOO sad since I don't think it suits trauma too well anyway

[fast swan]

trauma staff with quell peril but u cant land crits with M2

lol!

[austere estuary]

I have that ;-;

[fast swan]

good one fatshark!

it should just be on kill

[austere estuary]

it's my best one too

but

one interesting thing

[fast swan]

nice rending!

[austere estuary]

rending shockwave I think might be busted but can't test with friends

[rocky cedar]

I mean it has a big portion of AoE that doesn't do much damage on its own and can also get warp Nexus so... Could be pretty alright

[austere estuary]

it says rending but I think it really means brittl

[austere estuary]

true

didn't think about that

the aoe outer range is INSANE

like many times larger than the marker

[rocky cedar]

But fun combos aren't allowed

Obese Megalodon forbids them

[austere estuary]

warp flurry and quell is fun on void

also I keep seeing run n gun on staffs and the msised opportunity is killing me

liked

[manic needle]

Feeling cute, might upgrade later
Hopefully can reroll the blessing in a few weeks

[austere estuary]

not even sprinting but just moving normally while chanelling secondaries

would be so good

[rocky cedar]

Yeah for sure

[rocky cedar]

Isn't warp flurry bugged?

I saw a bug report on forums that it doesn't do anything

[austere estuary]

works on void

[rocky cedar]

Just void?

[austere estuary]

I posted vids here the other day

I haven't tested much else with it

[manic needle]

Youll lose the buff if you fully charge voidstrike, but when youre spamming mid-ranged blasts it's effective

[austere estuary]

surge doesn't seem to work though

you'll still get the buff on the next consecuitive on void

just only at 1 stack

you can watch the bar jump up

at 8-10% that's still significant - like going from 60% charge rating to 100% charge rating on the stat bar, ish

I might finally upgrade this though

[rocky cedar]

Warp resistance dump stat for purgatus?

[austere estuary]

3.45% more peril on secondary than 80% warp res

so

[rocky cedar]

Lol

[austere estuary]

kinda negligible

[manic needle]

I will probably rarely if ever play as Blue Zealot but hey it's nice to have in the arsenal

[austere estuary]

warp res in general blows on staves

even trauma tbh

as you're going to overcap 100% on most of your casts

and it doesn't affect the buildup rate while charging from what testing I've done

[rocky cedar]

It's actually impactful on FS number wise but still ends up being dump stat

[austere estuary]

like

on trauma with low res vs high, it'd be like.... 1-3% difference out of 45 per cast

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I think it's literally always the dump stat?

[austere estuary]

if they make it affect charge buildup, it could massively change but rn it's very bad

[rocky cedar]

0-80 difference for everything is pretty negligible compared to that resistance on warp charge feat

[austere estuary]

quell speed is the opposite, higher it is the more each % is worth

last 20% we're waiting on for example worth 33.3% of speed

huh, across all my purgatus staffs

literally only seeing flurry, nexus and barrage

can it roll anything else I wonder

[manic needle]

Run N' Gun and Focused Channeling

[austere estuary]

aaah yeah focused

[manic needle]

Every staff can get run n gun, the devs wanted to make sure we didnt miss out

[austere estuary]

if they buff it though and actually make it just not slow on channeling it'd be decent

okay this is actually nice though

going to put it to use

[orchid venture]

holy shit, first fuckin try and I kill 3 with one explosion, no time flat

[austere estuary]

EYYY

grats!

[orchid venture]

in a pub match no less

well i say first try, but I tried earlier in the same mission and only succeeded in getting more purple on my health bar

the last two I need are on heresy, so I gotta get to level 30 and get some better stuff first

I know I can do heresy now, but w/e

[manic needle]

Id say dont do Heresy/Damnation unless you're level 30 or have a lot of experience on the highest difficulties on other characters

And even then being close to 30 is preferrable

Ive had lots of PUGs wipe because a low level or two couldnt pull their weight

[compact cargo]

Better to do it on a damage basis, if you take too muvh damage don't upgrade difficulty

[ornate hamlet]

level 18 veteran. ive unlocked every weapon but havent bought every one. thinking about starting a psyker build. should i stop progressing veteran and start a psyker build?

[short flicker]

Yes if you like to be killed a lot, no one seems to protect the sad psyker

[orchid cairn]

So unstable the weapon will fall apart after few shots.

[mystic dirge]

tf how does it even go that low?

[manic needle]

I remember picture of a 0% damage weapon making the rounds a while back

The Armoury is truly a magical place

[sturdy meadow]

so an ork weapon, basically.

[red canyon]

WHY'S YOU COMPLAININ' TIS' ERE'S A PRIME SHOOTA

[round jay]

11% warp res

[orchid cairn]

Except if I believe enough that it will hold together, it will hold together.

Isn't that somehow how Ork weapons and mechanical things worked? I'm not that well versed on the 40k lore, but I remember a friend saying something like that a long time ago.

[sturdy meadow]

Ork weapons hold together because the Orks believe it holds together.

In anyone else's hands, it just.... stops working at best, explodes at worst.

There's an out of print book called Xenology I believe, where an AdMech techpriest studies ork weapons and notes that the thing literally loaded bullets backwards, the firing chamber doesn't match the barrel or something, and it absolutely did not work.

except it did when the Ork was using it

Orks are low-level reality-warping group-psykers

[orchid cairn]

Does it have something to do with Gork and Mork?

If those were the names.

[sturdy meadow]

no, they've got some latent racial psyker ability to make things do what they believe they do

[orchid cairn]

I see.

[sturdy meadow]

the whole joke about 'red wunz go fasta' is true only for Orks because they believe

and Commissar Yarrick leveraged that (he knew about the belief part, not how or why it works)

unfortunately turning yourself into the focus of Orkish attention tends to have unfortunate side effects, such as everyone wanting a piece of you. everyone in the billions

[orchid cairn]

So when a Big Mek uses his teleporter that also should not work by all logic but it works because he is a "psyker" even though he doesn't know it himself?

[sturdy meadow]

almost

they have SOME actual working knowledge coded into their genes (Old One fuckery) that makes things work HALFWAY (such as right shape, goes zzzap and looks about right), but their belief-power makes it work the rest of the way.

which is also why orkish equipment on the tabletop have dice rolls for critical failures, when reality says 'hol up' and asserts dominance

so yes, the teleporter (tellyporta) has some basics right - maybe it projects energy and can affect the warp, but their belief makes it open 'stable' rifts that actually end up somewhere else.

rather than lose the passengers in the warp

[orchid cairn]

Yeah I guess there needs to be a lore explanation why Ork weapons can misfire, because otherwise they would always just believe that they work and would never misfire.

[sturdy meadow]

(sorry i read the ork codex a lot because it's fun to read)

[orchid cairn]

Would be very unbalanced lmao.

[sturdy meadow]

eh, I got cheesed to death so many times by ork players on the tabletop.

can't misfire when you build an army that doesn't have misfire rules

[orchid cairn]

You are like my friend. He loves Orks. I always quote Warboss from Dawn of War(but changing "I" with "you") and say to him: "You wanna get stuck in wit da boyz!"

[sturdy meadow]

But I play Tyranids on the TT, with a Plague Marine secondary army 😄

well, it's been a decade since i last played but it still stands

Orks are just fun to read about

Love me some genestealer armies

[orchid cairn]

I see, I see.

[vague grotto]

what perk should i reroll?

[austere estuary]

I love how Orks work

[austere estuary]

good thing it's a nigh on meaningless stat atm

[cobalt robin]

Deflector should be a default property of the Psyker instead of a blessing

[austere estuary]

though I do hope they buff it

deflector being default would make non force weapons a bit too strong though - I'd still limit it to working on force weapons

[cobalt robin]

Idk with some weapons you have very little stamina so it wouldn't be super powerful

But it would urge you to take kinetic shield for that extra protection

[austere estuary]

well a duelling sword with deflector and kinetic would be gross

highly mobile ogryn shield with much better access to quick stabs then back to block

if it was a passive part of force swords in general I think it'd be fine though

[rocky cedar]

Insanely easy toughness gen with quietude too

Block some ranged fire, pop behind cover

[austere estuary]

I mean even if you didn't go behind cover, that passive quelling still churns while being hit so it'd be the same while being shot

would be crazy when you think of it like that

infinte block that heals your toughness

[rocky cedar]

[austere estuary]

wonder why darkmass still doesn't list surge at all for the staffs

the blessing I mean

[orchid cairn]

I would roll away Block Efficiency from those 2.

Don't see it being useful on the Rapier.

[austere estuary]

has anyone tried like 60-70% block efficiency with deflector?

haven't got a good enough deflector myself to try it yet

and all the plasteel for curio rolls

[summer prairie]

Block efficiency is multiplicative so even if you stack all the sources you get something like ~52%. Stamina on the weapon helps more, though I guess you can have both

[vague grotto]

should i reroll flak to 25% or unarmoured to 25%?

[steel egret]

Ive used 59% at one point.

[austere estuary]

imo keep flak

many more enemies use flak

[fossil lagoon]

Reroll to anything but trauma

[austere estuary]

I love trauma

[vague grotto]

dont have any other good staves

i only get guns

[austere estuary]

only trauma will take a blob of horde with mixed in elites of any size and simultaneously vaporise the horde but also hard nuke and knockdown even a crusher

[river sand]

trauma needs some good aiming and a little bit of thinking when and where to cast. but its definetly one of the more impactful staffs if used right

and oddly satisfying to see the chunks of flesh flying in the air

[austere estuary]

the gibs

[round jay]

Love when 6 head fly all together above 10m

[austere estuary]

torsos flying around spurting from all the limb spots

like a meat firework

[river sand]

but still not sure which blessings are the best

[austere estuary]

I've heard surge doesn't work properly on it

rending is great if it works for the team

as it definitely affects your own primary shots afterwards for a while

[river sand]

guess surge only works for the m1 but dont have one to test

[round jay]

What doesn’t works on surge?

[austere estuary]

trauma secondary

surge the blessing, not surge the staff type

[round jay]

Oooh xD

[summer prairie]

What's the deflector block angle, 180?

[austere estuary]

surge is a rare t4 only blessing that on crit causes your staff to fire off two more for free

[round jay]

Maybe it does double damage

[austere estuary]

which if it actually worked properly for trauma secondary would be comedy levels of fun for bigger enemies

fwompfwompfwomp

[round jay]

Surge works 100% of the time as long it’s a critical right?

[austere estuary]

yeah

so good paired with warp nexus

[round jay]

Let’s see if trauma can deal critical too, since it might just explode their leg

I don’t really like trauma so I don’t even know if sometime it deals critical.

[steel egret]

Ive seen that

[river sand]

but from my testing with void the extra shot from surgeblessing seems always to be an uncharged

[steel egret]

Its regular bolt

[summer prairie]

I think 6-3 increases BB speed by more than 25% due to both increasing charge speed by 25% and decreasing max charge time to 75%

charge_speed = math_round((1 - talent_settings.combat_ability_3.smite_attack_speed) * 100) and max_charge_time = charge_time / attack_speed

[marsh token]

i got 3x10% and 20% on weapon with 9% deflector block cost reduction. So 59% Block Cost Reduction. And +1 Stamina

[idle bay]

I think Darktide can use some extra meta-progression, that adds reasons to play more and to use all that unused EXP after you hit 30. Like weapon mastery for example. When all exp earned after 30 goes into weapon types you are using, giving them small but useful bonuses slowly as you progress it.

[wheat quartz]

is it possible to stack shred to 5, then switch over to a warp nexus staff, and get both bonuses going?

[near wyvern]

Possibly but shred doesn't last for that long

[frigid marten]

Imagine if they add a season pass and we need the exp for it.

[idle bay]

Season pass is next obvious addition it's even not worth mentioning.

if they go full life-srvice

[spice bough]

https://tenor.com/view/farseer-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-eldar-execute-gif-23589650

i hope we have this spear

or warlock sword >_<

[near wyvern]

Average Veteran player on Damnation:

[spice bough]

that classic SEA malice vet

[violet thorn]

How did you guys do the Warp Battery penance?

[lethal folio]

Accidentally.

[mighty pike]

Brianburst extravaganza and hope your team is good

[violet thorn]

dont you want your team to be bad so you have enough elites to kill?

[mighty pike]

I want my team to be good enough to fight everyone while I brainburst every creature I see

I did mine at 2hp during one of the arena defence segments

[idle torrent]

Could anyone help me get the Pick n Mix and/or Going Out With A Bang Penances? I can help with yours too afterwards

[warped perch]

I so rarely get into good pug groups that when I do I just want to hug everyone and buy them fillet mignon

[spice bough]

or heresy endless horde

[daring trench]

hey its me, your pug group

[warped perch]

Wow I think I just had a stroke

[warped perch]

[spice bough]

pug ? this ?

https://tenor.com/view/pug-dancing-pug-pug-twerking-pug-shaker-thug-shaker-gif-25854160

[warped perch]

I don’t think I’ve ever had fillet mignon actually

But I would buy it for people who actually stay in coherency

i.e. don’t run around alone

[spice bough]

that hard request in SEA

[warped perch]

People treating heresy/damnation games like it’s a single player hack and slash smh

Ok sorry rant over

[spice bough]

even you play frontline like zealot they still wanna be vet -_-

[late timber]

Do y'all have any tips for getting Pick n' Mix?

[random wolf]

SEA/Asia has the worst PUGs lol

Ignoring healing stations

Popping medkits next to healing stations

[warped perch]

I haven’t really focused a lot on penance sorry :/

I am going to start though

[random wolf]

And then they can't communicate with you either.

[warped perch]

I keep meeting them by accident lol

[spice bough]

it like RNGs after i complete level 30 3 class as zealot main
CQC training help me a lot

[warped perch]

The worst is people sniping healing station circles when they only have a tiny bit of damage

[spice bough]

no tag even in heresy or malice

[warped perch]

Meanwhile a teammate has 2 wounds

[warped perch]

I’m trying to like other classes but psyker is still the most fun for me

I’ve been leveling up zealot

Still unsure of when to use my ranged wep tho because I know it’s a melee class

I mean obv flamer on hordes

But like if you use a lasgun

Idk

[violet thorn]

man come on I cant be gettin hungry at 8 AM

[warped perch]

How bout some nice surf and turf 😏

[spice bough]

now i hate to leveling my ogryn because you cant jump over object some say because you so tall -_-

[warped perch]

Ogryn are goddamn cute tho ngl

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-25976706

[warped perch]

Better yet: pineapple pizza 😍

[spice bough]

till you meet ogryn pugs and perma heavy auto gun

-___-

look like he try role play

[warped perch]

Heavy gun is good for horde clearing

So many ogryn players roleplay in chat I love it tbh

I thanked one for helping me up and he said I gotchu sah for the emprah

[long osprey]

For those who play on damnation are all the staffs worthwhile?

At first I liked void strike but they only need a bulwark for the attacks to be countered

[floral solstice]

they are, even trauma can be viable in the right hands

[long osprey]

Right now I only use purgatus but with so many flamer zealot maybe I should use surge

[long osprey]

Cool, I find that trauma staff is too finicky to use for my playstyle

[lilac mesa]

Spark staff best imho I didn't care much for the purgatus

[whole wharf]

I got a nice Trauma staff with rending shockwave that I'm looking forward to trying out myself. Other that, all of the staves feel really good in their own respective sense. Also all depends on the blessings and talents used with them.

[long osprey]

Rending is the one that remove armour?

[whole wharf]

Yep

Rending Shockwave scales with your secondary charge too.

[long osprey]

Sick

Makes the vet one shot the ogryns

[whole wharf]

Yeah, I bet.

[cyan notch]

what perk should i reroll

[wet belfry]

I doubt you’ll be meleeing down poxwalkers often.

[orchid nest]

the groaners and pox prob doesn't help you reach any breakpoints I would guess for it. and it's a finesse weapon. so prob that one

[wet belfry]

Infact why does that perk even exist?

[cyan notch]

reroll into what tho

[orchid nest]

hmmm

probably +1 stam I guess. I can't think of any interesting breakpoints you would reach

[split oxide]

Ar higher levels you might
https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI/layout/grid

[orchid nest]

you might reach some breakpoint on heavy on some of the tougher infantry you could test that

if I remember right since I am not in game its the flak on ds mk 5 that is lower and needs help and the infested and unarmored on the heavy is pretty good

[feral crater]

In my honest opinion, trying to upgrade stuff atm just depressing. Wait for complete crafting xD

[warped perch]

I like void the best, it has great range and a lot of power

Clearing hordes makes me feel like palpatine

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

Plus the sound it makes is so sexy

[long osprey]

I got a staff with hip fire for void it’s pretty nice to shoot as we go as support for the team long range

[warped perch]

I exchanged my old one with hip fire to quell peril

Or transfer peril

Whatever it is

[split oxide]

At higher levels, it's the hordes that kill me, not the elites.
ProVoidStrike: If your team is all playing pew-pew, no-one cares you're Surge-crippling a mob.
AntiVoidStrike: Some maps have 20 diff normal dregs shooting you from cover. And you're dead before you can lock them down.

[warped perch]

Yup I can basically just stand there and spam secondary at close range to stagger the hordes and keep em away

I only switch to melee if absolutely necessary

Usually I either FS charge or bb for elite kills

But I also use the stagger from the secondary for cc for elites for others to kill

[warped perch]

For cover I either bb or duck in and out of cover while shooting charged blasts. If I’m out in the open I’ve been using my FS with deflector to get to cover

Although I really like the combat knife

Deflector has saved my ass since I’ve gotten it

[long osprey]

I never saw the deflector blessing

It must be pretty rare

[split oxide]

We've all been there:

• Caught in a killbox (no elites, no hordes) just dozens of volleyfire grey-dregs
• They all want YOU.

[warped perch]

Yeah it took me a month for it to show up 🙃

[warped perch]

And they never miss

[split oxide]

"let's ignore everyone else and just chase the psyker around the corridors"
Some of them take BBs personally.. 😦

[cyan notch]

yea cuz the others are camo vets with 90% reduced threat

[split oxide]

Me with 3 other vets.. been there.
"oh, it's so I can do the cogitator without inturruption"
!'#@* chased around by a plague ogryn.

I wish I could change my loadout after seeing my teammates.
(switch between voidstrike & surge) artilliary/stun-field

[violet thorn]

Purgatus Supremacy

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[long wharf]

sure, until the bad guys are 10 meters away where you can't reach them

[violet thorn]

that becomes the Vets problem

[long wharf]

not if he's preoccupied

[violet thorn]

that means he's bad

[long wharf]

the problem with being dedicated horde kill is that unless you're doing heresy+, there's little reason to do it

anybody can contain/kill a horde via melee alone at malice-

[long wharf]

or you're out of position, or the director decided to fuck the group over, or sometimes shit happens

[orchid nest]

purg is indeed boring on malice. but my favorite lately on heresy/damn

[long wharf]

being too specialized is a problem

having multiple bases covered by multiple teammates is a good way to ensure mission success

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-among-us-skill-issue-killer-bean-gif-24855216

[long wharf]

it's why void is so good

[long wharf]

I'd block you for that image alone if discord didn't then tell me there were blocked messages

[frigid marten]

one of the advantage of psyker is always have a long range option.

so the other weapon can be an horde clear and a CC

[long wharf]

yeah, there isn't a good reason for the purge staff to not have the same primary attack as the rest

it'd solve one of the problems with it

[frigid marten]

finally a decent one

[orchid nest]

purg definitely feels the best to me on damnation but there is a lot of role overlap while quickplaying with other purg and flamers

[long wharf]

purge shines on damnation, actually

[orchid venture]

I'm actually not having a bad time using a trauma staff. why do people hate it again?

[long wharf]

because enemy density gets ridiculous

and purge doesn't care

[fresh reef]

What curios do you guys run and why? I've been running +2 wounds and toughness for so long I'm ignorant to other possibilities

[frigid marten]

yes surge is safer for a composition pov. because no weapon can replace surge CC

[long wharf]

check pins

[wanton cove]

I’m loving purg on heresy. Deals with hordes well and my vets take care of long distance. I can clear a group of ranges if I catch them unaware and stagger them as well.

[fresh reef]

Trauma can, to an extent

Save for mutants

[mighty pike]

Health and health

[orchid nest]

I also run it on heresy, yeah.

[long wharf]

I'm waiting for blessing movement to be implemented before I play with purge more

meanwhile, I'm upgrading fswords to try to get bloodthirsty to roll

[vale nacelle]

Max HP and Gunner resist on all 3. + Wounds is a crutch.

[long wharf]

having 1 extra wound gives you another chance to save the run

I cringe when I see people with only 2 wounds on heresy+

[orchid nest]

Yeah fair enough. It's great for pulling your team through tight spots, it feels like the most useable staff when you have been overrun between the left click cc, dodging, and the stream staggering. lets your team not be preoccupied and deal with the stuff thats actually going to end the run

[vale nacelle]

I like mistakes mattering. just my prerogative. I’ve never needed extra wounds in Damnation that weren’t the result of my own mistakes.

[frigid marten]

wound allow other team mates to save you.

you have to trust them

[orchid nest]

I would also like a bloodthirsty fs. so damn rare

[wanton cove]

I get lots of deflector but unfortunately never even seen blood thirsty

[long wharf]

mistakes matter, but to be okay with you making a mistake that tanks the run instead of giving yourself room to fix that mistake is, frankly, disrespectful of the time your teammates are spending as well

[vale nacelle]

It’s a personal view thing. I’d rather hold myself to a higher standard and play at a level that prevents that from occurring.

[long wharf]

I think that's a fine perspective, but Darktide is the wrong game to be okay with harsh penalties like mission failure

you aren't playing by yourself

in a dedicated group with everyone having the same mindset? that's cool

in a group, dedicated or not, where people really want to have successful completions? not cool.

[frigid marten]

the problem of wound vs health is also, that health affect how much effective is one wound.

[long wharf]

sometimes the game just throws bullshit at you

sometimes you can recover, sometimes you can't

[lucid horizon]

sheeeeesh

[wanton cove]

Yeah like when you enter a blank floor and as you hit the ground it is instantly covered with elites 🙄

[orchid nest]

That one leaked system where you could buy buffs seemed cool. Like DRG drinks or something except expanded. One of the leaked things was an extra wound for the next mission. If it's pretty affordable that could free everyone up from a wound curio.

[frigid marten]

you only need fuel unti the next reset: a medicae station or a medikit.

[wanton cove]

That seem to spawn out of thin air lol

[long wharf]

the times that you could recover increases the more wounds you have

[split oxide]

The Difficulty Tiers are massive jumps.
You can take only Toughness Damage in one Tier, and PartyKill on the next Tier.

• 'get gud' is bollox if you have no way of pushing yourself ... SAFELY

[wanton cove]

I’ve only noticed that happening on heresy +

[long wharf]

it's definitely a balance, and one that only matters in heresy+

[cyan notch]

i run 0 wounds too never had much of a problem

[mighty pike]

In heresy your teammates are guaranteed to be worse than ones in malice so you need every safety net you can make

[long wharf]

Darktide missions aren't deterministic, where perfect play means perfect performance

[lucid horizon]

i run only one

[long wharf]

risk management is necessary

[wanton cove]

I get sooo many low levels in heresy. All 30s in malice. Weird lol

[long wharf]

oh, and by the way, the more health you have, the more each wound you have matters

[split oxide]

Soft Disagree: I never played VT2, was a n00b. And Beta week, I was getting hammered at Malice... enough to get dismissive comments.

[long wharf]

I never played VT2 either, and it sounds like you jumped into Malice unprepared

either gearing-wise or skill-wise

[mighty pike]

Malice feels more difficult than the previous significantly when you donit for the first time

[split oxide]

That too. You hear 'lvl30'-cap, so you push for what I thought was 'normal'/malice as a 'easy-mode'.

[mighty pike]

Then after half a dozen malice games it feels as easy as level 2

[orchid nest]

I can definitely play without a wound curio and do well. I don't make huge mistakes very often, but I feel incredibly vulnerable being on one wound when the inevitable mistake does happen so I went back to having a wound. you're 1 sniper shot away from wiping your team.

[lucid horizon]

i finished every map in cata in V2, with my baby Zealot

good moments there

[long wharf]

yep, having that extra chance is worth not having 21% more health

[devout sentinel]

LF Helpers
Slap Ogry for Daemonhost / Monstrosity Supp Can help afterwards too.

[long wharf]

bullshit happens

there's no getting away from it in Darktide

[cyan notch]

vt2 is basically 0 wounds too

21% is worth it to me

[long wharf]

planning for it is the key to success

[violet thorn]

literally how do you do this in pubs

[orchid nest]

I feel like the key difference between v2 and darktide though is carry ability and predictability is completely different between them

[devout sentinel]

daemonhost , kill mission , random ogry spawn
hoping for ppl to help out : p - praing to the emperor for nice guys

[violet thorn]

you literally need to tell 3 other people to not attack it

[long wharf]

you don't, you form a group specifically for penances

[violet thorn]

10/10 penance creation

[devout sentinel]

barely had the pen yesterday but got hunted by 2 dogs while kiting the ogry monstro

[violet thorn]

"what you dont have 3 friends who play DT"?

[devout sentinel]

xDD

[violet thorn]

I mean I do but still wtf

rly Fatshart?

[devout sentinel]

i wil conquer !

[violet thorn]

they already want to die doing the "on overwatch"

[cyan notch]

if i really cared to ultra sweat it out voice comms callouts then sure id run 1 wound but otherwise its whatever i can get by perfectly fine

[violet thorn]

after someone takes fkin fall dmg and cant get the penance

[long wharf]

just hit the LFG channel

[devout sentinel]

btw shield from mission bosses doesnt count towards taht ?

hopefully

[long wharf]

plenty of people want help with penances

[orchid nest]

It definitely works, and I've run no wounds a lot. I understand the min/max desire. Just feels bad when it doesn't go your way, often not even due to your own fault.

[cyan notch]

i just shrug it off to the game being shit

[violet thorn]

you dont need to run extra wounds, its bascially just an insurance policy

[devout sentinel]

Games like darktide always better to be "better safe than sorry"

[cyan notch]

got thrown by mutant into exploding barrel into flying off the map

nothing i coulda done there just shit game

[violet thorn]

Min/max is max toughness

[long wharf]

that's not "shit game", that's "shit happens"

[orchid nest]

Yeah it's a great insurance policy though. I got my untouchable in a damnation game. I don't expect that to go that way though.

[long wharf]

lol no.

[cyan notch]

definitely a shit game issue

barrels having that much impulse into instant death

[long wharf]

the game has its flaws, definitely, but barrels are something can be generally be aware of, and being flung around by them is just part of the game

[violet thorn]

you know the toughness regen % modifiers stack right?

[long wharf]

you know that any form of fire strips toughness outright, right?

and that a lot of enemy attacks do more toughness than health damage, right?

[violet thorn]

I wouldnt know I dont run into fire barrels or frags

[long wharf]

ffs, that knowledge is pinned

[violet thorn]

or snipers

[long wharf]

glad to hear you're the perfect player that never suffers the random bullshit that everyone else does

[cyan notch]

sure but not to flung around to the degree that they throw you

[violet thorn]

no I just have eyes

[long wharf]

makes your perspective unique and thus uniquely worthless

[violet thorn]

sorry base awareness causes animosity

[long wharf]

it's funny because awareness has nothing to do with the randomness that can happen

but you hold onto that feeling of superiority

[violet thorn]

the goof factor is greatly exaggerated

[violet thorn]

"superiority"

[orchid nest]

Don't the toughness regen perks only modify the timer for coherency regen to start? I'm pretty sure that is what people found. But anyways, even if it did work on coherency regen that would favor health stacking and not toughness because it's a flat amount and not a % so it's better for it to be low to get to max quicker to prevent chip.

[cyan notch]

sometimes ur teammates shoot em accidentally or not and theyre everywhere

[violet thorn]

bro I just see things coming and react to them

[long wharf]

like I said, it must be nice to be perfect and be able to see the bullshit the game will generate before it happens on top of the team

[violet thorn]

because most people get filtered by random crap does not make the rest some MLG masters at FPS

[long wharf]

and you're greatly downplaying what bullshit can happen

[mighty pike]

Personally when we're on the edge of losing because my team has made a mistake and I'm about to go down and lose I simply don't

[violet thorn]

again, the goof factor is greatly exaggerated. Yes, sometimes shit happens but im not going to wrap my playstyle around it.

[long wharf]

wrap? no. give yourself the wiggle room so that when it happens you can still succeed? why wouldn't you?

[fresh reef]

fuck it we ball

all toughness

[mighty pike]

What do you use instead of a +wound that's that's useful anyway?

[fresh reef]

time for funny

[cyan notch]

me

[mighty pike]

Good name

[violet thorn]

max percent toughness

[long wharf]

why would you risk wasting time with a run that fails at the end, when you could have given yourself the margin to push through it successfully?

[long wharf]

oh lord, now I know you're trolling

[orchid nest]

It's only when shit doesn't go your way that matters though. Any team can make their way through a damnation game clearing the static mobs strewn about. It becomes apparent very quick though if they will be able to finish the events.

[cyan notch]

a challenge and sometimes a wound doesnt help you save the run either

[long wharf]

very true, but sometimes, just sometimes, it can

[river zodiac]

Opinion on best psyker voice?

[long wharf]

and that's what risk management is about

[fresh reef]

waiting for the day when someone tries to have a legitimate argument for +9 stamina

[long wharf]

failing to plan is planning to fail

[split oxide]

Loner

[mighty pike]

Female savant, Monsieur

[violet thorn]

I get why people say "omg why go max T becuase X thing happens"

[long wharf]

sexy french accent, everything else is garbage

[fresh reef]

I like Seer. Having a direct line to the Emperor is sweet

[mighty pike]

Seer is one of the best written voices in the game

[violet thorn]

but Ill just laugh when they start patching shit then reddit fills up with "zomg max toughness OP"

https://tenor.com/view/its-alll-so-tiresome-tired-gif-14029153

[long wharf]

if they change mechanics, then everyone will adjust

[river zodiac]

I might just make a new psyker and go seer cuz savant going “using crowd control “ is weird Af to me

[fresh reef]

Yes Beloved, hiding is cheating!

[long wharf]

you don't get credit for foresight when the decision you're making right now is objectively wrong

you aren't playing the game of the future, you're playing the game as it is right now

[split oxide]

• with Great responsibility come the increased chance of dying .. alone
• the air is dry and bitter.... I empathize

[violet thorn]

"not building around random bug occurrence is objectively wrong"

[cyan notch]

i mean sure but at the end of the day if you determine that that risk is so small its not worth it you can ignore it and so what if you fail its whatever people arent playing damnation for dockets or mats anyway

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-vanish-good-bye-teleport-bye-gif-16415619

[long wharf]

you're making some big assumptions about people's motivations

[mighty pike]

It's because they used to be a police officer, more or less

[long wharf]

if you're in a premade group and everyone is doing it for fun, that's one thing

if you're in a premade group and everyone is doing it for money+mats+challenge, that's another

[cyan notch]

well yea if you set out with a goal in mind then yea of course do whatever it takes to get it done

book run pick up books

[long wharf]

thing is, of all the reasons to play, there's only that doesn't involve needing to finish the mission in order to not have wasted time

so why wouldn't you maximize your chances of contributing to mission success?

[cyan notch]

because you determined that its only a negligible increase

if you really absolutely wanted to complete the mission at all costs then you should be pinging everything you see

constantly vcing

but people dont do those to maximise their chances either do they

[long wharf]

the people I play with do

[summer prairie]

I do that anyway

[mighty pike]

I love pinging things

[long wharf]

when I play with pugs, I ping

[mighty pike]

It's my favourite part of playing darktide

[long wharf]

when I play with my group, we constantly do voice callouts on top of pinging

[deft trench]

anyone know what numbers i should be looking at for the most out of trinkets? primarily the bottom one that i'm interested in

[long wharf]

half of the fun of playing with a good group is the quality teamwork and communication

[orchid nest]

I always ping important things but you also shouldn't ping everything. pinging something you were about to kill is just distracting people who might pay for that distraction

[cyan notch]

of course in a premade youre more likely to communicate

im speaking generally and what most people play (quickplay) you arent some bad guy for not running wounds you dont have to be ultra optimal cuz if so youd have a higher success rate in a premade and calling out anyway

[long wharf]

I really hope you aren't doing heresy+ quickplays with pugs and no extra wounds

because then that tells me you're the one being carried

[cyan notch]

i dont think that computes

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure, I understand. I don't like get upset at anyone not running a wound, anymore than I would them running some slightly sub-optimal weapon. I think it's cool for your team if you do though, because shit happens in DT and you are more team dependent than V2. It feels like making a skill concession, I get it, but it's just how the game is.

[long wharf]

that's the problem, you don't realize the burden you're being on the team

[fresh reef]

genuinely I think that all +toughness might be valid

[long wharf]

it's not.

[cyan notch]

so if i dont get downed then im somehow the burden?

where are all these assumptions coming from

[long wharf]

you don't get downed ever?

[cyan notch]

very rarely

[long wharf]

you play heresy+ and never go down?

[cyan notch]

yes

[long wharf]

yeah, I don't believe that.

[mighty pike]

Skill issue

[clear heath]

Not enough to justify an extra wound

[long wharf]

sometimes shit just happens

[summer prairie]

there are so many health stations

[clear heath]

When the fuck do you go down twice between medicaes?

[fresh reef]

if I'm getting downed more than once per med station it's either skill issue or we were getting wiped anyway

[clear heath]

Like even once per medicae station is plenty of downs

[long wharf]

that's true, but then, I'm not talking about the average run, am I

[cyan notch]

even so if shit happens so what

[long wharf]

I'm talking about the time when the game spawns a line of gunners out in the open behind you because the team wasn't pushing fast enough

[frigid marten]

if you go down 2-3 time between 2 medicae station there is some issue.

[summer prairie]

if it's not an average run in a pub game and I go down, it's usually run over anyway

[clear heath]

If shit happens, the extra wound isn't saving you because no one was gonna rez you

You make it sound like the wound saves you from absolute doomsday
it doesn't. It just saves you from silly mistakes

[fresh reef]

will continue running +toughness until I see a reason to go back to +1/2wounds and health

[long wharf]

it saves you from mistakes that happen from miscommunication as well

[cyan notch]

oh no! you failed a mission its not the end of the world its whatever and its quickplay anyway

[long wharf]

I'm glad to hear that you don't value your time the way I value mine

[cyan notch]

depends on what you mean by value

if i valued my mats i wouldnt be queuing quickplay with no mic with randoms

[long wharf]

no, it doesn't.

[cyan notch]

if i absolutely needed to complete a mission at all costs id get a premade

[long wharf]

if you're going into quickplay just to fuck around and don't care about literally anything, then we aren't even talking about the same thing at all

because then nothing matters

not optimal play, not optimal gearing, nothing

[cyan notch]

we arent going to quickplay to fuck around and not care about anything though?

its that a mission faliure isnt life or death

[long wharf]

which means everything you've said to this point is absolutely moot, because it has no bearing on any mission where you do care about completing it

[frigid marten]

we can't even see the team ranged weapon we can't be optimal in quickplay

[cyan notch]

ive said this is for quickplay

if you do care about not failing you should get a premade and sure run all the wounds you want there

if youre really concered about losing dockets and mats in heresy and damnation then you should be in a premade

[long wharf]

why did you even join the conversation then? nothing you do matters in a quickplay where you literally don't care if you fail

[cyan notch]

was there a qualifier saying "this conversation is only for people who play in premades"

[viscid brook]

buy?

[summer prairie]

if it's in a shop, buy it for the blessing extraction later

[long wharf]

there was absolutely the qualifier of "this conversation is only for people who care about completing runs and are looking for intelligent discussion towards that"

[cyan notch]

oh sorry i missed that memo could u direct me to it

[long wharf]

you failed all parts of that.

[clear heath]

Idk i complete runs just fine with 3 toughness curios

[viscid brook]

how do i extract blessings?

[summer prairie]

you don't yet

[clear heath]

With the extra toughness, i'm less likely to need medicae stations so i just let others have it

[long wharf]

that's great, as long as Darktide fuckery doesn't strip your toughness in a bad situation

[clear heath]

Psyker toughness gain with quietude is great

besides, if my toughness is constantly going up and down, that's the toughness doing its job

toughness getting constantly stripped means it's doing something

would rather that than my health

[long wharf]

and if you don't take melee damage that impacts health through toughness, then that's perfect

every single one of my pinned points on health vs toughness is valid

[clear heath]

Melee damage is pretty rare imo.
We have 360 degree blocking with broken ass peril block

I play force sword so i also get a nice 360 degree push

[mighty pike]

In the grim darkness of the far future there's always some fucker behind me and he's the reason I go down

[clear heath]

but if i was playing a different wep, i'd get an even more op melee block anyways

[long wharf]

does it really cover 360?

[clear heath]

Blocking is 360
The push is 360 but it's a shorter range behind you

It's still enough to be pretty careless in hordes and be fine

If you want some breathing room to think, can actually just spam a few pushes inside a horde since you don't care about stam anyways

[long wharf]

I wonder if that's a bug

[clear heath]

Well force sword was always meant to have a better push anyways

[cyan notch]

i think other melees have 360 push too

[summer prairie]

deflector does not feel like 360

and they all have inner and outer block angles

[clear heath]

Deflector is not. We're talking about melee damage

[cyan notch]

when i was testing axe i could get a push on a dude 180 behind me

[summer prairie]

they have different push strengths based on the angle if I saw correctly

[long wharf]

pushing 360 doesn't make sense to anything but the fsword push

[neat inlet]

Does deflector show up in the shop? Or have people just been consecrating to get it

[long wharf]

and if the fsword block is 360, I'd expect deflector to also be 360

[cyan notch]

it does

[long wharf]

it definitely shows up, it has a version for each tier

[cyan notch]

deflector isnt 360 for ranged

[summer prairie]

it probably only feels like 360 because your block is so strong

you probably pay more stamina

[neat inlet]

All melee weapons have 360 block though yeah

[clear heath]

I never said it was. I was just talking about not taking melee damage

[long wharf]

I don't think melee block is normally 360 though

[cyan notch]

it is

[long wharf]

it is when picking someone up

[candid mesa]

My purgatus is sus.

[cyan notch]

it is when everywhere

[long wharf]

but I could swear I've been hit from behind while blocking the front

[mighty pike]

Can confirm it's 360

[summer prairie]

you definitely do get hit through block from behind

[warped perch]

Force sword cc is pretty good imo

With the block

[long wharf]

the biggest reason I don't use fsword is that it's not nearly as good at horde clearing as the combat axe

[cyan notch]

no u dont unless your stamina is 0 and ur guard is broken

[long wharf]

and while it's better at single target damage, it's not so much better that the combat axe isn't still decent

[river zodiac]

It used to be nutty good then they nerfed it

[warped perch]

Of course they did

[mighty pike]

Can't stand the not -push on the force sword personally

[long wharf]

psyker used to be really good, back in the closed beta

[river zodiac]

Fun no allow

[long wharf]

then FartShart heard from the players how people were genuinely enjoying the psyker, and neutered it

and didn't change any of the feats in the process

[river zodiac]

Over Nerfing Shit in a pve game lmao

[long wharf]

it may not be pvp, but in a team-focused game, balance does matter

[fluid knot]

It is, its a holdover from VT2 (because is on same engine)

[long wharf]

the problem is that psyker was made limp while the vet is still op in comparison

[river zodiac]

Yea but it’s way more lax on pve when it’s just Ai slaughter

[long wharf]

I'd rather every class felt powerful

[river zodiac]

Can still give compensation

Agreed

[long wharf]

now, instead of a glass cannon, we're a glass noodle

[river zodiac]

I’d rather they buff everything else surrounding something than just hard nerf it

Tune rather than flat out hard nerf shit just cuz it was slightly outperforming

[cyan notch]

its a balance its usually not as easy as just buff everything lol

[fluid knot]

For psyker to be anything but a wet noodle with little synergies they probably need to rework half the feats tree

Because as it is, there is bascially no synergy for any weapons, gun or staves

[river zodiac]

And here we are, with wet noodle Psyker lol when closed beta was genuinely great and didn’t feel op at all

[cyan notch]

sometimes u dont land where you intend to and you just have to iterate till you get it right

[long wharf]

yep, psyker feats need a pass

it's telling when only one psyker staff has any synergy with our feats

I wouldn't mind soulblaze being added to other staves, like the trauma

[river zodiac]

Prob won’t get anything till 2024

[long wharf]

if trauma also placed a patch of soulblaze that would affect enemies, it'd immediately make trauma better

[fluid knot]

Literally even using a gun has more than that (it has 2 😠 flayer an the BB for soulblaze to local enemies and the latter is DOGSHIET)

[cyan notch]

digshiet

[long wharf]

soulblaze damage really needs to be bumped up

even doubling the damage wouldn't put it on par with burn from flamer

[fluid knot]

Honestly think it depends on source, it should be pretty high from a BB pop, but should scale under pressure from Purgatus, like the more you fire it, the bigger the DoT gets (i know it nearly already does this but it needs to scale faster)

[round jay]

Soulblaze deals like 2damage per second per stack

[orchid nest]

It feels like they designed the class around the standard purgatus builds and then randomly added everything else. It's the only setup where it feels like synergy is high between everything.

[cyan notch]

no it does way more the more u stack it

[round jay]

Oh, it’s multiplicative then

[orchid shadow]

They've likely kept some ideas / mechanics in reserve for sub-classes down the line.

[cyan notch]

yes i think like 2x per stack dont quote me on that

[round jay]

Who said they’ll do sub class

[river zodiac]

Soul blaze does little dmg even stacked

It’s not amazing at all

[fluid knot]

Thats all well and good but if they had so little ideas for the base class that they had to axe some for future archetypes, that does not fill me with confidence regarding future psyker content

[round jay]

So 2^4, not that much still

[cyan notch]

wdym 2^4

why 4

[round jay]

Depend how many stack you deal

But for exemple, when you have 4 warp stack and you use your special you apply 4 stack of soulblaze

With the augment ofc

[frigid marten]

soulblaze is clearly not for single target, is like a flamer horde clear.

[round jay]

If it deals x2 per stack

[cyan notch]

well yes 4 with the ult but usually youd be stacking with purg

[frigid marten]

unless we get a force dagger that apply something like 3 stack each hit

[fluid knot]

Except the flamer is significantly better even though it uses ammo to run it, arguably its more efficient over the course of a mission in terms of time to clear hordes

Its also boring, but thats just me lol

[orchid nest]

flamer is stronger stat wise but it isn't really that simple to compare them because it's much easier to use purg staff in the heat of things and the amount more you can use it does matter in damnation. there is plenty of tight situations where a zealot will struggle to get their flamer going that a psyker can pull off reliably

[round jay]

If force sword could apply at least 1 or 2 stack to all ennemie in 4-5m radius on kill

On charged kill*

[fresh reef]

@long wharf quickplay damnation. went down exactly one time, and it was because of a peril explosion lol

0 wounds, all toughness

[long wharf]

great

2 psykers and 2 vets is definitely viable

[fluid knot]

See that would have actually been better than the perk that increases damage with peril on FS because you could still have the original function with it. "Special attacks with forceweapons apply X stacks of soulblaze to targets, scaling with peril" - would be WAY better

[long wharf]

having 2 good vets almost means the other 2 don't matter (when it comes to team comp)

[cyan notch]

sorry "this conversation is only for people who care about completing runs and are looking for intelligent discussion towards that"

[long wharf]

no, it's not a curve or line, it's just a set value of damage per stack

[fluid knot]

Thats rare though, i see more bad vet players than on any other class, though as an Ogryn main its a bit annoying to have to babysit knife zealots

[long wharf]

oh I don't disagree, I've seen plenty of bad vets

but even a bad vet can out-dps everyone else

[cyan notch]

yea thats why i said i dont quote me on that

[long wharf]

because feat synergy is so damn high

soulblaze damage starts at 2 for one stack

[long wharf]

something like 2,5,12,25,57,75,100,125,...

it starts stupid low, ramps up relatively quickly, and then the values get janky afterwards, and not "janky good"

[fluid knot]

Yeah arguably thats true, kinda sad that its the class with the largest amount of synergy between its feats, even if its the least engaging to play

[long wharf]

you have to place a lot of stacks of soulblaze to see things start melting

and that's why the soulblaze feats feel like garbage

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[long wharf]

adding 4 stacks of soulblaze onto something that isn't already soulburning doesn't feel like it's doing anything

[supple skiff]

havind dots periods in a game where most targets are dead in a couple seconds kinda sucks

[long wharf]

I don't mind dots, but yeah, having gameplay be low TTK means dots need to be stronger

[supple skiff]

some sort of status effect maybe

[long wharf]

OR take away the damage dot entirely, have it be a stacking warp damage debuff, and let the psyker go to fucking town with staves

[orchid nest]

yeah it would be cool if it started higher but stayed the same overall so it was more useful to anything that isn't purg

[long wharf]

purge damage needs to be higher as well

and needs to count as soulblaze damage

and AB needs to be adjusted so that any enemy that dies with your soulblaze on it procs AB

and not just you killing an enemy with your soulblaze on it

I absolutely hate "you must get the kill" mechanics in a team-focused game

[orchid nest]

do you mean the direct damage needs to be counted as soulblaze for it?

[long wharf]

yes

my biggest grip with soulblaze and purge staff is that you can hose down a group running at you, they'll pause to get ignited, and then they'll resume running at you

[fresh reef]

well, toughness didn't really help here
wounds wouldn't have either lol

raw skill issue

[violet thorn]

2 bots

https://tenor.com/view/no-sully-mmm-james-sullivan-monsters-inc-gif-13902856

[blissful kestrel]

Just tested with no feats to improve damage on poxwalkers, 1-6 stacks of soulblaze tick for: 2,4,9,18,27,37. Seems to be closer to x^2 instead of 2^x.

[orchid nest]

yeah I wouldn't complain if the damage for it was better, I don't think it needs a lot more though. It's already competitive with the zealot flamer for horde clear despite doing less damage because of the ease of use

[orchid shadow]

Quick question, about the 1st row of feats. I'm having a hard time figuring out which one I should be using with the Surge Staff (with Force Sword). I run Malice most of the time and am trying to ease myself into Heresy Quickplays. I run Warp Absorption right now, but going into Heresy, will I get enough kills to benefit during a fight? Quietude I have kind of an on-demand toughness regen, but it's hard to find time for it when it hits the fan. And I have no idea about Essence Harvest, as I'm relying on either BB or other feats to get me charges, but it seems almost at the mercy of RNG.

[cyan notch]

ratio'd shoulda gotten more grims

[long wharf]

you can graph it if you want, it's absolutely not x^2

it ramps up at the beginning, but then quickly you see that more stacks doesn't lead to the same increase in damage

[fluid knot]

They're fine so long as every class has relatively equal killing power, but alas, in DT that is far from the case

[orchid nest]

it does fall behind the flamer a lot for monsters though, despite it still being the best staff for monster damage psyker has

[split oxide]

FS @ Malice: anti-boss and deflector.
Axe @ Malice: Anti-Elite or anti-horde

[long wharf]

you know, a feat that makes the fsword special do an aoe blast would be nice

we absolutely should be getting warp charges for fsword special kills

[cyan notch]

one time i was running kinetic overload and kinetic barrage and it chunked the slug although its pretty situational to maintain

[fresh reef]

I literally just got here

[fluid knot]

Like was mentioned earlier, make kills with it apply soulblaze to local enemies and scale that offa peril or warp charges or summat, also yeah warp charges from it too

[fresh reef]

wounded with no fault to me lol

[orchid nest]

despair reintroduced from bait patch notes

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[split oxide]

SideSwipe like Claw would be enough.

[fluid knot]

Tbh warp charges need to be raised to 6 by default and 9 with warp battery imho

[long wharf]

no, the moveset for the fsword is fine

it needs mechanics synergy

otherwise it's just a dolled up power sword

[cyan notch]

nah light 2 is pretty shit